Reviewing EVERY Elemental Reaction | Genshin Impact
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- A focal point of Genshin Impact's combat is Elemental Reactions. With so many of them in the game, I thought it would be fun to go through each individual reaction and critique how good (or bad) they are.
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Crystalize came close, Probably the most OP game mechanic ever in gaming history
Truly one of the reactions of all time
Definitely a reaction that exists.
It's cryztalizing time
True
Shatter can easily beat it
Fun tip: using hydro on a starshroom in Sumeru will create a Bloom core without needing a Dendro unit.
if its raining, you can also create bloom cores by applying dendro on the torches. Don't know yet but maybe even campfires too
From what I remember, I used m vision and they are glowing green. No wonder they can also be burned and aggravate too
well yeah, you can do elemental reactions with things that already have elements on them. you can also swirl lit torches and electro-charge water
There's a really fun area right below to portal to the green chicken that can make use of this. It has a lot of starshrooms and a few big fungi. Bring large AoE Hydro and watch.
Also, bouncy mushrooms are Dendro too, so you can proc Bloom off of them too
When it rains, dendro slimes also generate dendro cores by themselves without dendro application, which you can use to your advantage.
As someone who principally loves the geo element, it hurts to admit that crystallize is practically unusable in most (if not all) cases. Geo mains like me are just left scrambling for crumbs for any upgrade on crystallize. I’d already be grateful if hoyo released a geo character who scales with EM and transforms the mechanic of crystallize kinda like Nilou does for bloom. Like a shockwave of sorts that deals the element it absorbed whenever the shield gets hit or expires, or whatever. At this point, I’m just craving for something that can bring geo more appreciation. 😞
Geo should have an offense attribute like Thorn Dmg where your shield deals dmg when you roll towards a target.
your idea is amazing. my idea is similar.
*Shard Self-Explosion*
- crystallize shards will detonate on their own after 6 seconds (like dendro cores).
- explosion will have AoE
- explosion is elemental dmg depending on element used to procc crystallize
- AoE explosion will apply elemental aura on affected enemies; procc other reactions. this way, we can use Geo to spread other elements too. we don’t necessarily need to rely anymore only on Anemo for that.
- this will synergize Geo and/or Crystallize with other elements and will open MANY new team comps.
*If you pick up shard*
- if you pick up a shard, the AoE elemental explosion still happens and everything that comes along with the mechanic of shard self-explosion.
- you also gain a Crystallize shield. element of shield is based on the shard’s element and will resist attacks of that element.
- if other nearby characters are within the AoE explosion of a picked up shard, they will also immediately gain a Crystallize shield _(but it is 15% less sturdy than a shield from a picked-up shard)._
- note: only picked-up shards will grant shields to your character and other party members within the AoE explosion
- shards that explode on their own after 6 seconds do not grant shields
@Bartosz that totally makes sense. geo characters are great fundamentally because of their kit, playstyle, constellations, multipliers-and not necessarily because of their element.
i think crystallize is what holds back geo. if only crystallize was designed better to viably successfully synergize with other elements, then geo as an element would improve so much. this way, geo can be free from the mono direction. don’t get me wrong, mono is fine. but if that’s the only thing an element viably has, then i’m not in favor of it. having options is ALWAYS a good thing. improving crystallize will definitely open up new doors for geo, new team comps with geo. right now, geo extremely stale. outside the itto or noelle mono teams, geo is pretty much dead. it’s just physical with yellow numbers. and with the arrival of dendro with no geo+dendro reaction, geo’s tombstone was finally done. hoyoverse really murdered the element. the characters are fine. but their element is basically dead as a lifeless rock.
Each time you collect crystalized shard, heal party by 5% health and give party 5 energy.
The other thing is like…. Ok crystallize is bad, and needs help, but what about any new Geo characters at all? Are there any on the upcoming horizon? Not as far as anyone can see…
I feel like crystallize with Archaic Petra was meant to be what swirl with VV is for anemo. But meanwhile swirl became the successful child, crystallize became the back alley drug dealer.
No, it really was supposed to be, but swirling an element is much easier to pull off than creating a shield then picking it up with said character.
If only we could get the petra buff with picking with the active character
it became the back alley drug dealer, and stumbling upon a crystallize player is like seeing a cryptid
they scare me
I understand why they don't want you to permanently immobilize bosses, but I wish they could still be afflicted with the frozen status and proc the bonus for Blizzard Strayer, even if they aren't getting CC'd.
They could make it so that bosses have a slowed-down effect.
Essentially being the Slowing Water debuff in that one domain, but on bosses.
@@CoolMintMC Just applying Cryo on enemies and Bosses achieves that already
Burning got glossed over super quickly. It has some merits that are worth mentioning. I'm not gonna curse it at 2/10, personally would put it at 5/10. Not great, and it's only better than Crystallize and Shatter, but very much better than how this video makes it sound.
Burning reapplies a pyro aura if you can keep feeding it with Dendro, meaning that someone like Nahida can singlehandedly keep a pyro aura alive from a single Pyro hit so long as you don't completely erase your pyro aura from another reaction. This makes for an excellent alternative for reverse melt comps.
Burning also has quadratic scaling if you can smoosh the enemies together. If you can squeeze enemies together into something like Venti's black hole or Kazuha's skill, then you can both spread and swirl constant burning and pyro swirls together while each enemy's burning racks up damage on every other enemy that happens to touch the burning. Couple this with the fact that Nahida keeps reapplying dendro on every swirl and you have a constant burning aura that is impossible to get rid of. Look up the Air Fryer team if you want more info.
and then you died because you got too close to the enemies and suffered 4 times the burning damage at once.
yeah i was wondering if had ever heard of the airfryer team
@@Grim_Bud It's almost like there's 2 different Pyro Shielders that specifically absorb Pyro DMG more effectively.
Or just use Geo/Zhongli.
Sounds like a skill issue, tbch.
@@CoolMintMC For one you underestimate the power of getting the burning dmg applied on you and second if you need that much defensive investment for a mediocre reaction to be functionnal then it is just telling about how good it is.
In the end you would need a healer to counter the self dmg so you've wasted 2 character slots just to stay alive.
But I guess pointing out the cons is a skill issue and the majority of the Genshin player base are pro gamers.
@@Grim_Bud If you need pyro and a healer use Benny
Just cuz you cant workout burning doesnt make it bad, sounds like skill issue
Hyperbloom is the strongest single target reaction in the game, all you need is 1k em + gilded dreams on electro char and deepwood set and you get 34k per bloom, which is usualy more than atacks from even highly invested units.
Add Venti in that mix.
This is my team right now in Abyss
Kazuha + Yae Miko + Nahida + Kokomi = Instant win
Bountiful cores do the same with more aoe, quadratic scaling and more cores and blast more frequently than raiden triggering 0.9 secs. Hyperbloom is 2nd best. They had to be heavily nerfed by being dendro and hydro exclusive.
@@Dylanfrias24 but they requrie nilou and are completly useless against cryo shields, also reaching their full potential is much harder than hyperbloom.
Can't forget the lvl 90.
I only disagree with melt, specifically melt Ganyu. It may be harder to use than freeze, but it has a much higher dps, and personally i find it a lot more fun and satisfying to use too, and once you learn to play it its not as hard like people make it sound as long as you have a shield
The dps isn't even that high and it's mostly single target.
@@fr3941 With burning melt you can get AoE but it's still not all that consistent, better than before though. Vape and freeze still better though, melt is the forgotten love child by Hoyoverse. Only reason melt looking better these days is because of burning and the fact that new Abyss is antifreeze.
as someone who plays ganyu religiously i agree he undersells melt ganyu and some of other other strong melt teams a bit but the basic conclusion - why melt when you can vape? - holds true for most players. the only pyro character that can effectively enable melt, xiangling, is much better utilized in a national team that lets her vape instead.
@@F1ll1nTh3Blanks For vast majority of players, yes, Ayaka freeze and most vape teams > most melt teams, but have to note that at peak investment speedrunning, Ayaka + Hutao is the quickest ST team, with solo Yelan vape a close second.
Melt Ganyu is the fastest hyper carry for continuous speed-runs even outcompeting dual carries most of the time.
Melt Ganyu is the one that holds records for the bot half of 3.4/3.5 abyss. No other team even with dual carries can touch her clear time. The only downside of melt Ganyu is the gap in skill expression of players. Even at C0, if you suck at the game, even vape Diluc gives faster clear time than Melt Ganyu; if you’re good, Melt Ganyu is equal or close to international in clear time at C0. IWintoLose has also made a descent tier list about reactions.
Video Idea: Which of The 4 Regions in Teyvat offer the Best Content (Bosses, Exploration, Puzzles, Characters, etc)
Sumeru wins by a freaking landslide, mate.
Every new region wins, because it keeps getting bigger and bigger. So by default Sneznaya.
@@My6119 by speculative default, that is.
@@My6119 Or Khaenri’ah
@@Gibmeprimogemss damn just imaginea new player pulling Dainsleif
I believe that bloom, hyper bloom and burgeon should be evaluated separately, because a lot of the stuff you said in the bloom section flat out doesn’t relate to hyperbloom (for instance you don’t need a healer in hyperbloom since it doesn’t do self damage unless you’re literally standing on top of an enemy, also it is just as effective (if not more) against bosses as quicken, since the reaction is single target). Both burgeon and bloom do aoe damage, unlike hyperbloom. And the problem of messing up element application mostly only applies to burgeon, so it SHOULD have a lower rating than hyperbloom, which is arguably the best reaction in the game at the moment.
and to add on to that, if your elemental application gets goofy when you're doing hyperbloom the worst thing that could happen is that you get some quicken/aggrevate hits, so even if you mess up you'll still end up with a powerful reaction. So you can kinda just go ham in a hyperbloom team, without having to worry about application, because the stakes are so low.
My most used team rn is Main dps Nahida, EM raiden, XQ and yaoyao, and it's a joy to use. I'm a former diluc main, so i have a tendency to go unga-bunga, and since all you have to do with this team is raiden e, nahida e+burst, xq e+burst, and then spam nahidas normal/charged attacks it really fits the unga-bunga playstyle lol
In general i find dendro reactions very easy to use, especially hyperbloom and aggrevate/quicken :)
Burning with Nahida is good for enabling Ganyu melts though.
But it can still be very inconsistent if you mess up once tho. It's the same with melt Ganyu with Kazuha. It's only good if you don't fuck up. People use Xiangling more just because it's easier
Alll u need tobdobis to just wait a sec then charge attack again
the dps is rlly mid tho lmao why would u use that
I thought that too but why not just run Xiangling instead. Absolutely zero ICD.
It is still a very copium team. It works, yes but Nahida could shine in some other team comps than when paired with Ganyu.
Best reaction is Sucrose swirling different elements, it's pure euphoria.
EC underrated 11/10 L take true
balls
@Zajef77 Zachef, when is Elemental Reaction Guide Part 4 coming out?
For the most part I agree with the vid but u kinda went to harsh on burning. Its definitely an average tier reaction but 2/10 is putting it with shatter and crystallize is a bit unfair. It keeps Pyro on the enemy for a long time without factoring if its a 1 or 2 unit application or not and the DoT damage could get up to a couple k per tick with high EM. It's pretty essential if melt gets cray cray in the future
Average would mean middle of the pack. Its running up the bottom of the pack with the only reactions below it being.the completely irrelevant ones. The most i could see is it being a 3/10. But i think 2/10 is a fair assessment simply because it also has the downside of cucking Burgeon, an actual good reaction, by existing.
Check out my previous Abyss 12-3-2, I cleared it under 45sec with Overburn. It's as good if not better than most of the classic reactions.
I know Shatter is something the community at large doesn't really care about, but I still wish you talked about it more rather than disregarding it and following the status quo. Because I think it's very strange that Shatter is the only reaction that Mihoyo seems to have completely forgotten about. It scales off EM but deals PHYS DMG and can only be triggered through Blunt attacks or Geo. Currently the only person who could probably utilize this best is Chongyun if he went full EM.
There are currently no characters that explicitly utilize this reaction or supports it the same way other characters do for other reactions. I feel like Mihoyo totally could someday but who knows. I hope they do.
Geo resonance is more useful than the Geo reaction itself. If Crystalize shields had a "pop" mechanic like bloom or even Noelle's E skill, it would immediately be useful and Geo characters would actually have a use for EM. Also I've seen some interesting shatter teams like sayu in shatter bloom that are actually viable, so I wouldn't say it's useless, just extremely niche at the moment. Burning got nerfed even further but I could def see a character in the future with a mechanic in their kit that increases the teams burning rate and damage (Natlan).
You know, one way of fixing crystallize is just to fix/rework the archaic petra set. Like, if you think about it, archaic petra is supposed to be the geo counter to anemo's vv set. But somehow it just doesn't take off as vv does.
Thank you so much, I was searching for a video to understand more about elemental reactions and yours help me a lot. 👌
Quicken paved the way for my Keqing to be able to 36 star the Spiral Abyss. Will forever be my favorite.
Burning should be higher because of Nahida, her elemental skill + burning allow double reverse melt
@@Neisse It’s the same with other reactions, swirl without succrose and Kazuha wouldn’t be that strong, reverse vape without yelan and xingqiu wouldn’t be consistent enough, Fischl carries aggravate, only Kuki and Raiden has 100% uptime for hyperbloom, …
@@Neisse Swirl although deals good damage, damage alone does not rank it as the strongest reaction. It’s highest strength is the ability to fuse other elements and to amplify said element damage. Only Succrose and Kazuha sufficiently provide both.
The greatest thing reverse vape has over forward vape is the ability to do it consistently. I acknowledge the role of Childe and Ayato for Xiangling vape but what I tried to argue is that only those characters with high enough hydro application can make good use of reverse vape so it is still because of the characters that reverse vape is strong.
Aggravate, although benefits all electro characters with high electro application, the existence of Fischl is what elevate it from good to insane. Because, while it is true that when factoring in only Oz and c6, Yae has more aggravate proc than Fischl; if you play Fischl together with Yae, every aggravate proc Yae trigger will trigger one for Fischl as well.
Consistency is very important for almost everything in Genshin and is especially important for a quantifiable reaction like bloom and hyperbloom. Kuki and Raiden doesn’t just have 100% uptime, they increase the reaction consistency through a wider range than most other characters, and that they can be played off field. Lisa, Cyno and Yae don’t have such consistency thus are not ideal for Hyperbloom, they make the reaction unreliable.
Although it is true that burning gets carried by Nahida, a lot of reactions also only earn their rankings because of the existence of a selection of characters. For once, without Xiangling, burning will be your only way to maintain the pyro aura.
I could actually listen to your voice for hours, Vars. You speak so softly and clearly. Thank you for the vids.♥
My opinion is that hyperbloom power crept all other reactions. As a f2p with a c2 raiden who spent a year building her the fact that I now play her as a hyperbloom unit is insane
Me but with Kuki
As someone who has many well invested characters it is pretty good but I would not consider it the strongest in terms of powerful teams. The big strength from hyperbloom is that it is very very cheap to get high damage. In order for other teams to pass it you need 10x the investment. If you invest the same amount in hyperbloom you will not get much more damage. It kinda hits the damage cap it can do pretty early. The gap become bigger if you have multiple constellations on some 5 star characters like Raiden Shogun, Ayaka, or Wanderer who get really strong at c2 or above.
@@AzureDrag0n1 But that's exactly why its a powercreep, they can only beat hyperbloom IF you hyperinvest in them. Try Alhaitham quickbloom with Nahida, Shinobu and Yelan/Xingqiu. That's an example of a team impossible to be powercrepped against single target if we are talking about hyperinvestment. Only Hu Tao can come close to that, which requires an even HIGHER investment than Alhaitham's team.
It didn't, hyper Raiden and Vape are still better at high investment. Hyperbloom is good for lower investment newbies because it's just easier to build and play for low investment and high damage. To get high damage out of more traditional reactions takes more investment and skill than the average player has.
@@itsdomd0misticn00b7 The point is that hyper invested bloom is still not as good hyper invested crit reactions like vape so it's not a powercreep. EM heavy reactions hit diminishing returns significantly sooner than em < attack < crit loaded reactions.
Quick suggestion:
Can you make a tier list for the elemental artifacts (hod, vv, tf...) U can also add the other artifacts but having a detailed explanation for the artifacts seems fun to listen to
You did burning dirty out there, You should give it another try !
I really love that you played a Price of freedom remix. I love this piece so much
How I would fix:
*Shatter- make it a sure-k*ll reaction by making it difficult to trigger but if electro is infused the reaction becomes 1.5x easier to pull to not make it op or bad.
characters it would benefit:cryo, electro greatsword users like Eula and Razor
*Crystalize- it would work the same way but when the shield breaks or ends its time limit it would release the element infused in the shield to the enemies working like how glass breaks and hurt however is around that way geo characters would technically have unlimited shields.
13:42 In my heart too since quicken (more specifically spread) it's my favorite reaction in the game, ever since really early in the game I wanted dendro to have vape/melt type reaction since the wood/grass/nature element is my favorite element in fiction so I already knew I was gonna main dendro even before the game came out so I was extremely happy when I found out about quicken (or how it was leaked and called back then catalyze)
good video, but one thing I have to add is that melt with benny xiangling rosaria/kaeya and then another cryo or anemo unit (shenhe, sucrose, kazuha) can actually be a pretty strong team. the best part about it is that then your Xingqiu is free to be used in a hyperbloom team or another team. so yeah, melt may not be the best/most popular reaction if you're newer to genshin and looking for two teams to clear spiral abyss melt and hyper bloom might be those teams
I believe if some of the geo characters had direct interactions with crystalize it would make the reaction more appealing, and make people play around those mechanics.
For example:
-If Albedo’s skill make the active character pick up crystals instantly. (Then his C6 would make sense).
-a character that makes shards explode .
- a geo shielder with something similar to thoma (charging and refreshing his shield) but with crystalize.
Random question why? don't we use melt instead if reverse vaporize wouldnt it make more since the pyro hit would be multiplied by 2 instead of 1.5 and why do we need a hard-hitting cryro character like he said if reverse melt I\is weaker and we have hard hitting pyro?
"The only ones benefitting from Mika would be Eula and Razor"
Xinyan, my dude!
Dang... Made it through melt and burning waiting for mention of how burning facilitates more consistent melts and how some people are picking melt comps back up due to it
Burgeon is currently my most favourite reaction, especially if you can keep the enemies in the water and then I just keep swapping Nahida and Klee. It can deal a one heck of a damage.
Part of the problem for Superconduct as well, is that it can mess with your cryo resonance (notable in the case of Eula teams), too much Electro takes off the cryo, making you lose 15% crit rate vs those targets
Also, I do find in the specific case for Swirls with Nahida on the team, sometimes it actually is a challenge to actually Swirl on that team (Miko - Kuki - Nahida - Kazuha lineup), I'm sometimes left casting my Kazuha E and not getting anything from it, Kuki C4 should fix that - and Fischl instead of Kuki leaves me with no defensives. I usually opt to not include the swirl instead so I can just press buttons without having to actually look lol
That's the Dori Niche, Easy Electro Swirls when Nahida does too much Dendro
I love my overburn team. It’s one of the coolest ways to make dehya viable since she chases so hard in her ult. Using her, nahida, Bennett(or an anemo unit), and an electro unit(favorite being raiden), you can very consistently overload for thick damage, and in dehya ult/field they’re never too far away to reapply pyro and blow up again with electro. Only thing is you kind of NEED nahida to make sure dendro isn’t consumed so quickly. Other dendro units can sort of do it but not nearly as consistently
Alternate note on Burning (because I feel that the section didn't go as in depth as it should have): If enemies are close enough to each other, the burning damage starts to overlap between the enemies, this actually is insanely powerful especially with units like Venti and Kazuha, on the not so bright side if you're too close to the enemies, then you start to take the damage they are and it isn't mitigated at all so it can be risky but the profit can be worth it (Team Ex: Nahida, Bennett, Kazuha/Sucrose, Venti). Another note is that burning (specifically with Nahida as the dendro) can be used as a good source of continuous pyro application for reverse melt. Since you'll be using Nahida in this team, you'll also get a lot of EM from her too which is good team synergy (Team Ex. Ganyu, Nahida, Bennett, Kazuha/Zhongli)
Might be bad for meta players, but for early game players crystalize is the only way to beat the hydro mimic.
Man i didn't expect to start feeling nostalgia and sadness thanks to the music. Good choice my man
wish you mentioned candace shatter bloom for the shatter section as the only somewhat viable shatter comp but T_T
We had reaction changes with each new Region. Swirl buff with Inazuma. New dendro reaction with sumeru and now I hope they buff cristilize and shatter for fontain. That would also explain why they didn't release new geo or physical units in a long time
Lesson learned: Every new region patch is a Hydro buff.
@@itsdomd0misticn00b7 because of Nilou?
@@cajunseasoning1846 cuz hydro is the best and the most important element. You may want to say anemo but no its actually VV that makes anemo is so broken not element in general
@@bem3760 I'd say crowd control and elemental absorbtion / mass application has enough going for it no?
@@bem3760not really hydro is a close second to anemo tho
Ive had a idea for a geo characater that is basically a pair of glasses that would use crystalyze shields and his own shield to enhance elemental and reaction damage. Maybe broken, principally since he would be a four star, but its fun to think kits for other media characters
I believe when fontaine comes out, there will be a huge addition to geo and shatter reactions
I like how you used the crisis core ost for this video 💯
I feel like if either the shard or the shield of crystallize could explode and apply the currispetive element, it would be a much better reaction
Lol as a ningguang/noelle main I'd have to half agree with your opinion on crystalize. I wish it had some bonus effect but at the same time I'm glad there's at least one reaction in the game which I don't have to care about. It's easier to build teams because of it.
For example, ningguang and zhongli are the core team members for my geo team but I can give the other two slots to anyone I want because they don't interfere with reactions. Rotations be damned.
The thing is, it doesn't have to react with other elements at all to be a decent reaction on its own with a little rework. I've seen interesting ideas from others like:
- potential %heal or energy for every shard
- 'thorn' reaction that hurts enemies upon contact
- reflect reaction that reflects a % of enemy damage back
- shard shields that explode after a few seconds dealing absorbed elemental damage
- shard shields that explode with raw/geo dmg
As ning main i kinda agree but in the end of the day some how gorou cons got one useless con that sucks shard to u devs must be drunk if they thing monk geo teams crystallize
I've been using diluc and beidou for overload since version 1. It was never anything to write home about, but it still works
I feelt like Ganyu Burning Melt with Nahida needed to be mentioned. This made Golden Wolf Lord a joke when it was in Abyss a few weeks back. For those who dont know Nahida's E's proc will reginite itself so long as burning is present, and one of Ganyu's CAs wont remove the pyro aura before the next tick of Nahida's E goes off, meaning she can perpetually Melt so long as Nahida keeps her E going. (though if Ganyu does a quick skill at a bad time or her burst, that can remove the burning as too much cryo app.)
Also Melt is the go to reaction whales doing speed runs in Abyss. As you Ayaka Burst followed by Hu Tao going to town. However thats not exactly standard player stuff so its fair not including it.
Good video as usual!
you could have gone more in depth into some of the reactions though, people already have a skewed perspective of the elemental reactions and team comps.
In general you’re not wrong, but I think you’ve treated the topic a bit too lightly if I may say so… but I understand it must be hard to turn such a broad topic in a 15 minute video essay format. Maybe we can hope for a part 2 😁
For example the idea of forward reactions vs reverse reactions was not explained very well, I’m not saying you should have made a 2 hour rant about elemental gaige theory but at least mentioning it wouldn’t hurt. The reason why most of the popular comps revolve around reverse reaction is because it is extremely difficult to keep consistent auras for the forward reactions to work, so while it may be better on paper to run forward reaction comps because of the multiplier, one has to understand how many units of their respective element each character applies and how long the ICD on those applications is, which is more than what most genshin players are willing to do.
Regarding the specific reactions while I agree with most of what you said, I’d just like to say:
- electro charged is fantastic. It was very underrated in the early days of genshin because people like big crits and flashy numbers, also theorycrafters never crunched the numbers around it because it’s a pain to do the math… but the AoE capabilities of EC are insane and is very easy to double swirl.
- Overload is not being used by the majority of the community because most people don’t understand how it works, both theoretically and mechanically, but it’s an amazing reaction that has both great damage against bosses and offers some form of CC against smaller enemies, especially when playing ranged units like klee, yoimiya and yanfei.
- Burning is not very good on its own but it’s an amazing way to proc melt consistently, especially with Nahida, it’s basically a double aura to prepare the setup for a second reaction, kinda like electrocharged is to overvape.
Speaking of melt, outside of the traditional melt ganyu that everybody knows, a lot of great melt teams are quick swap comps like Xianling bennet Rosaria kaeya, that most people have no interest in playing because of the tight and strict rotations involved, but they are extremely powerful in the right hands, same for the so called “soup teams”, especially the original Sukokomon, these days we have easier soup teams to play like ayato soup, but they still don’t get the recognition they deserve.
Freeze is god tier but hoyoverse decided to sabotage it because it was too good and after the Morgana domination era, we haven’t had a good abyss for freeze ever since.
Finally, I think you should have spent more time on the dendro reactions, especially the different iterations of bloom; Nilou was barely mentioned, and you didn’t talk about hybrid comps like quickbloom and fridge at all, despite being some of the best comps in the current abyss and some of the most interesting teams to come out of the current 3.0 era. I’m sure the meta will eventually shift but it was a very interesting introduction to 4 elements teams where you can have a huge variety of reactions on field at the same time.
Again I want to say I love your channel and your videos and this doesn’t want to be a slander in any way. I Just wanted to give you my honest feedback.
Sorry for the very long comment but I feel that any other way to speak about this would sound extremely generic and incomplete. If you ever happen to read this:
Keep up your amazing work and lots of love!
Also, regarding geo and crystalize, while I agree crystalize could use a buff in terms of numbers, I think most genshin players have a lot of misconceptions regarding geo, especially the more casual ones.
The lack of reactions is part of what makes the geo element so good; overall, geo units are extremely flexible and can fit any team comps, because they don’t mess up your reactions too much and they generally won’t steal procs from your on field unit if you play them correctly. Also geo resonance is extremely good and this makes double geo a staple comp to run in most reaction based teams with one or two flex slots. Before yelan and the coming of double hydro, hu Tao double geo was one of her most successful teams, and yoimiya still plays double geo with yun Jin and zhongli to this day.
The archaic Petra is also part of what makes crystalize amazing. A 35% elemental damage bonus, along with the 15% flat damage bonus you get from the geo res, is an incredible increase to your team’s dps.
Overall, the main purpose of geo from a game design perspective is to be used when hoyo wants to introduce a new support unit without messing up any reactions, so that it can be used in many different teams. Imagine if yun Jin was a pyro unit, she would be just a different and to a certain extent inferior version of bennet; because she lacks the healing bennet provides.
Zhongli is one of the most used characters in the game, and the reason for it is because his shield doesn’t mess up any reaction, so he can fit in nearly any team, from vaporize to hyperbloom comps. And geo units scalings are usually high to compensate for their lack of reactions.
I do believe at some point we’ll see a geo unit meant to buff crystalize in the same way nilou buffs bloom, but generally speaking I feel there’s a lot of slander flying around regarding geo, when geo is actually a great element for the exact reasons most people use to criticise it. It certainly deserves more love from the player base.
I think the best way to fix the cyrstalise/sheild/defense problem is add antihealing to specific mobs and make it a necessity
I think Burning can deal good passive damage, but imo its biggest issue is the fact that it also deals that damage to you if you're too close.
Some extra complexity with Quicken
The Quicken Aura technically only reacts with Pyro and Hydro
Applying Electro or Dendro simply adds additional damage to that instance while the Quicken Aura is active
That Electro or Dendro application will apply it's own Aura under the Quicken Aura
This is how you can apply Electro to both Aggravate and Quicken at the same time
Though since the Quicken Aura is a flashing Dendro Aura, you can't really tell when you have a Quicken and Dendro Aura together
Applying Hydro on Quicken and Dendro Aura will react with Quicken for Bloom but leave the Dendro Aura
"Strongest Elemental Reaction"
Focalors: *Hydro go BRRRRRR*
My fav reaction is overload despite not being the best or practical. Unless your a range unit. I do hope we get a character that’s tailored made for reactions and can be used effectively. I guess yoimiya is the closest one we have but I want another character like that. Or someone unique and cool like a sword user who actually fights like a catalyst. And fires swords out their magical pocket dimensions like Gilgamesh. It’s unique and a new fun auto attack idea in my opinion. I’m sure they can do that
You only have Beidou but you want to play hyperbloom? Put EM Anemo
You only have Xingqiu but need hydro AOE? Put EM Anemo
I use shatter with dps Chongyun, he isn’t fully built but I run him with Xingqiu, Layla, and Venti. Xingqiu and Chongyun keep them frozen while Chongyun shatters and Layla activates crying res with venti shredding res and grouping them up so I can focus on one area
I think geo can. Find a place it just needs a little.something , a push in some way maybe making the shield completely nullifying the next attack by the element you have a shield of or even nullifying all moves under a certain strength of that element giving you great defense of aoe type moves or small repeatable type damage something that's very common
Although more then likely it's gonna have to come in some way of killing enemies.faster or I hope once they get near the end of 7 kingdoms they ramp up the difficulty at least in some areas or zones that require you to approach battles in ways other then brute forcing it or devastating enemies with crazy elemental reaction mash ups although u would prolly have to expand either the physical damage mechanics(maybe adding button delay combos a parry/block system or just increase/limit switch times between characters and make elemental skills and burst recharge from physical damage instead of time or other outside things) or the movements In battles mechanics like making a more controlled dash that can change direction instantly in any direction and give it a invincibility frame or make it a dodge or add more aerial interactions being able to do more then just glide down and give us free movement and a air slash dash and spin move lol
Haven't even watched yet but I'm gonna bet my house it's swirl, hyperbloom and freeze and maybe quicken
I would say electro-charged is the best reaction since it is a basis of so many good teams
Geo shouldve been reworked with the release of dehya and made her geo aswell. Her kit works around being sort of like a bruiser tank. Imagine if they made it so that she became tankier the more crystals she picked up and then "unleash" the crystals she picked up into her fists as power ups pyro crystals gives att increase, hydro healing bonus increase, cryo crit increase, electro attack speed and make it so that the cd of the buffs refresh if she picks up additional crystals. Geo crystals themselves should work similar where picking them up provides buffs as mentioned but dehya gets empowered versions of the crystallise buffs ofc.
I mean if they change the META a bit and introduce a reason to use crystalize it would be a different thing.
Like something like corrosion where if your active character has a crystalize shield nobody in the group takes dmg.
Or reforming Archaic Petra to increase all dmg dealt flatout together with a character that buffs the effects or utility .. idk like having a long running ability working as elemental shard magnet that pulls them in... and maybe adds some additional buffs...
Crystalise can actually help a lot in very specific situations. I've heard that a lot of new players have trouble beating oceanid but I could beat it easily when I was like AR35. Main reason, I was using Ningguang. Crystalise shields are pretty bad generally but against their own element, they have 250% dmg absorption. Combined with all the EM my artifacts had (of course you get EM when you roll artifacts for geo characters lol), crystalise actually produces a pretty decent shield that you can replenish every 2.5 seconds (strong enough to take any single attack from oceanid's summons). So I was able to farm oceanid at the time with no healer, no shielder, without dodging but still take barely any dmg.
Crystallize only sees its real value in early ar where defense is a top-priority rather than in the endgame where defense doesn't matter much but damage is
I’ve learned his from making a new account is that burning can carry you through the early game of genshin
I've tested burning with my Nahida and I think what's needed most is a nuclear ton of EM. The health of enemies goes down really quickly from what I've last seen (which was a while ago now).
I just wish it had more use. Perhaps make it a transformative reaction like bloom; For example, inflict burning, then use cryo to inflict frostbite (basically a stronger version of burning, but with blue, cold fire), or apply electro to inflict implosion (I was thinking of a more controlled overload, but that's still just overload the more that I think about it. The same would be with Hydro just causing vape).
Burning is perfectly useable in reverse melt teams, and if you smoosh enemies together in something like Venti's black hole, burning will give you quadratic scaling while all the swirls both scatter Pyro everywhere and re-trigger Nahida's Tri-karma to make it really difficult to lose your burning aura.
Still not a great reaction, but it has uses if you know what you're doing.
@@crocworks Nahida carries burning.
Which is perfectly ok because she carries all other dendro reactions too
To be fair, back when I just started in the game (this was when Genshin was just released) Crystalized actually helped me a lot. But yeah, I actually wish that the Geo reaction would be changed into something else. Or maybe, apply a Geo damage to enemies when the shield you got from Crystalize breaks, based on a percentage of how much damage it blocked.
- Shatter should be insta-kill/massive damaging reaction because you freeze an entity and then break their body into pieces
- Burning still has value.. if enemies are groupped, enemy dies pretty quick because of the spread nature of burning and so you too.. and also an interesting [catalyst] for other reactions
- as a Geo main, yes.. it sucks for crystalize.. only good at early game for the interrupt res and damage mitigation, otherwise, just a very niche abyss speedrun tactic
Geo and Anemo need offensive/multiplicative reactions to make their team options more vary.
this is why i think they felt they wanted to make the card game. Every reaction in the card game is really good even crustallize
While it wouldn't save crystalize I think one way to improve it would be an artifact set with the following bonuses.
2pc 80 EM
4pc increases the wearer's geo damage based on 0.07% of the wearer's EM. When a crystalize reaction is triggered by the wearer the crystal produced moves to the active character. This effect can occur every 2.5 seconds.
A set like that would potentially see use on characters like Albedo, Gorou, or any future geo sub-dps or off field geo appliers. Converting EM to geo damage bonus would shore up the dps loss of building EM to some degree while building EM and the 4pc bonus of drawing the crystals to the player would make the shields actually useful.
Still this would do nothing to change the fact that better shields are available from characters already. It would however give players more options for double geo comps outside of Zhongli (example; Yoimiya, Albedo, Yun Jin, Xingqui). As it stands the biggest redeeming factor of geo as an element is it's resonance and having more ways to effectively maintain it would be a nice addition to the game.
Consistent forward melt with Diluc is possible and easier than you think. You need: Diluc, Kaeya or Rosaria (C2+ recommended), Bennett, Kazuha or Sucrose. You just need to infuse kaz/sucrose Q with Cryo to get consistent cryo application for Diluc to melt.
Despite what is said and is factually true, I run a team that specifically utilizes burning, overload and quicken/aggravate.
The issues of overload being knocking enemies back and difficult to trigger consistently is solved by using both Yanfei and Raiden.
Then Nahida is there for burning as burning is a consistent way to keep pyro on enemies.
And I use Wanderer to swirl pyro to other enemies and with Nahida's skill, keep burning on enemies other than my main target.
It just feels fun for me.
For overload you can use Bennett and Razor in thundering furry and overload your weapon and you also play Nahida and Xingqiu
Walrus sent me here, great video. Spot on ratings 👌
I personally would rank burning a bit higher, the only real downside it has is that it consumes the dendro (and that nahida is the only character that works with it), but if you build a team around it, it can actually do a lot of damage, it also really helps maintain a pyro aura, making it useful in teams that make use of oyro reactions (mainly reverse melt for now)
Existence of Nilou Bloom team is the reason why Barbara is my first level 90 4-star character.
I think Crystallize could be made way more useful if picking up the crystal also caused an explosion and damage to the enemies. Even if it came as some character's passive or active skill.
One thing they can buff crystalize is by adding Bolide set 4pc passive to it and get bolide something else.
I think people dont give burning enough credit. well, it sucks by itself, but because it imbues the target with pyro quite fast, it enables some melt teams. for example, I have a team consisting of nahida, benett, ganyu and zhongli. in this team, because nahidas e procs for every elemental reaction, you can make it so that every charged shot from your ganyu can melt and the pyro on the enemy (as well as the burning reaction) will be refreshed thanks to nahida. adding benett buff and zhongli res decrease and you have ganyu doing 150k with each charged shot. I think its in a similar place as overloaded where it sucks on its own but with melt its quite useful
You know what could save crystalize? Imagine this:
You get a bonus based on the element of the shield you grab. You grab a pyro crystal you get +ATK, you grab cryo you get +CR, you grab electro you get +ER and so on and do on.
The amount of extra stat you get is based on the EM oh the character who made the crystal so that it would be useless to get EM stat on geo characters anymore.
Feel free to give the idea to mihoyo. I don't need royalties xD
how about instead of cristalize Geo applies detonation, wich decreases the target´s elemental resistance to both geo and the combining element by 10% when doing a small aoe explosion at random locations that does both elemental and geo damage. Another option would be combining hidro +geo to create mud: wich decreases the targets att and movement speed and geo + dendro that creates branches and thorns and deal constant dots of geo+dendro to enemies in aoe
sometimes watching this kind of video feel like ur studying but ur nor
Burning could be good if it have another debuff like superconduct like decreasing def and dendro resistance by 1% every second for maximum of 40% while burning, this effect last for 6 second after it lose its burn effect.
I really enjoy Cryo, having the ability to freeze opponents is amazing, and can do a lot with it.
If we get an geo unit who reduce res. Based on element he/she crystalize then geo can become better again (4piece petra mix if he/she on fielder normal attacker)
I agree that freeze ganyu is probably more accessible than melt ganyu, but as someone who has been using melt ganyu since 1.6 abyss, it is just as strong (maybe stronger) as freeze and has not failed to get me 36 stars. I use her burst too, the pyro application from xiangling and guoba together atually outpaces the cryo application from ganyus burst and charged shots. She has enough dmg to brute force the big desert boss in this current abyss (the big world boss one you farm inside a pyramid). Average dmg is around 60-70k on arrow impact, 120-140k arrow bloom dmg (more dmg if modifiers are good that day). The whole team is ganyu, zhongli, xiangling, tank-fei (sometimes bennett if the other team isn't using him/doesnt need him). Other team I've been using to clear alongside melt ganyu is standard vape diluc (diluc, sucrose, xingqiu, bennett). If you have nothing better to do or just want something different, try melt ganyu. It's fun, big numbers, and enemy's disappear.
melt ganyu can be insane and also it’s good for whale speed running with ayaka and hu tao
Xinyan is a better physical dps than you think, and razor is better at burgeoning and hyperblooming rapidly than physical. And the only real way to make use of crystallize is to use Gorou's burst with full em and 4pc archaic petra. That creates a 3000 HP ish shield every second while also buffing the element you crystallized with as long as you just catch the flying shards every so often.
Xinyan is a horrible phys dps.
I love anemo characters. Very fun to play, very easy to build, and you can slot them into almost any team. Just slap VV with EM and you're good to go
Imo it can be ranked differently depending on the status of the player, a whale may favor multiplicative reactions like vape and spread while transformative reactions like hyperbloom will carry f2p players..
As an f2p
Bloom overall is for sure 10/10
There are two bits of information I feel should have been mentioned in your video regarding this subject.
1.) Freeze is used in a number of bloom teams given cryo can overlap with dendro and doesn’t ruin bloom procs. It can easily serve as useful enemy damage mitigation when your bloom cores hurt a lot and the cryo resonance can make it count as it’s own bloom reaction in every way sin name. (No crit doesn’t affect bloom, but freeze will keep enemies grouped which does make it count as it’s own reaction damage when it comes to AoE damage.)
2. I know shatter is laughable but it should be noted as geo’s only offensive reaction and should be given just as much of a footnote as burning. It is possible we could see the geo element expand more in that direction in future.
3.) I have a third point though it’s something to keep in mind rather than add to the video. Overload has damage potential with dendro as dendro will maintain a pyro aura through burning or an electro aura through quicken. This means adding dendro to an overload team won’t reduce the number of overload procs while giving you extra dendro reaction damage. That said, Over-Burn as it stands doesn’t hold up that well compared to Over-Vape, but could still have some future potential. (For example, a future artifact set that gives a party EM buff whenever burning is proc’d.)
Kaveh - the new dendro claymore character - is designed to buff base bloom. His best team is likely to he either in Nilou or fridge (cyro + dendro + hydro)
Burning is better than shatter because burning maintain elemental aura while shatter destroys it.
I still love overload. Sending enemies flying.
1:21 Idk but raiden casually splitting nahida's sanctuary is kinda cool
Burning is only useful as a "set it and forget it" reaction. What I mean is that it is good on the smaller enemies while you focus on the larger ones in a crowd.
There is a somewhat viable melt comp with rosaria, with how you can melt her burst cast.
Rosaria is a four stars though so she doesn’t have enough scaling to compete
The burning reaction makes reverse melt really easy now with Nahida + another dendro and a pyro to trigger it, it's actually crazy.
You only need Nahida, getting another pyro characters for pyro resonance is more beneficial
@@rsfakqj10rsf-33 yah but without additional off-field dendro application it burns out way to quickly for me
@@bylyl_ I think the problem is that Nahida e triggers when a reaction happens, try mixing in either swirl or reverse melt
as a Geo main i can say that crystalize is a recolour for Zhongli's shield.
If you want to use every reaction known to man just get a Razor Max his EM then pair him with C6 Bennett with instructors, add Nahida or DMC, then Xingqui or Yelan(Xingqui better for DMC)
Its like Sukokomon but with Dendro and not Anemo, also this also only works with Razor because he deals both physical and electro in his burst, his physical can become Pyro infused with Bennett. Also Razor's burst can cancel the burning reaction lol.
The only react this can't trigger is swirl lol and maybe burning cuz Razor cancels it.
Something I found confusing, in the melt section, you only talk about Pyro then Cryo not Cryo then Pyro, is it because we don’t have any constant cryo application ?
i really really hope a character comes around that makes burning reduce physical res, which is what i really wished burning did as is
it would open the door to physical for characters of elements that arent cryo or electro
That’s just a worse version of superconduct because the only two viable physical dps are either cyro or electro. Xinyan is half and half and lacks scaling in general.
and as it is if a pyro character were to come out and be a physical dps, they would probably be dead on arrival if they had no effect like this (or some absurd numbers)
and on that note, i dont think xinyan can really be called half and half in practice, especially post c4
Awesome video! Uhmm this might be a dumb question, but does damage caused by reaction create energy particles? If so, of which element do they belong? Also does the ammount of energy they recover depend on the type of reaction, or is it linked to the ammount of damage? Of course if those particles exist that is... haha
No they don't create particles. Only your elemental skill, Favonius weapons and if some enemies take enough damage will create particles EXCEPT if you play electro resonance. In this case you can generate particles with electro reaction. But this is on a cooldown.
@@joe_simon Thanks for the reply! Can I also ask how exactly does ER work? I mean is it just faster regeneration of the ult of the character having the ER, or does it also make particles generated by that character return more energy to whoever catches them? For example, if my xingqui has more ER, using his E and immediatly switching to my Ayaka, will Ayaka get more energy from those particles, if Xingqui upgrades his ER? Also is the energy return from the particles bound by the damage dealt, or is it just a constant value? Sorry if my questions are silly, but the ingame information was a bit insufficiant for me to get those answers 😅😅😅😅
@@zyfryth Er increase the amount of energy you get from particles.
There are same type!, different type and clear type. And you can catch them on or off field.
On field: Same type gives 3 energy per particle, different type 1 and clear 2.
Off field it's 1.8 for same, 0.6 for different and 1.2 clear type.
And this is with 100 ER. with 200 ER you get the double amount of energy. So 6, 4 and 2 on field and 3.6, 2.4 and 1.6 off field.
@@joe_simon I see, that makes sense. Thanks
You forgot overload is used with burgeon now.
Yeah, no, vape doesn’t need one big nuke. Bigger part of damage in national team, and most of it reaction damage, comes from sustained reverse vape. Hu Tao’s damage comes mostly from her CA - also a sustained dps - and her Q actually can be a dps loss, unless its done right as her E duration expires.
And there are good reverse melt teams, with quickswap Bennett-Xiangling-Kaeya-Rosaria being one of the better 4* teams, especially ‘cause it frees Xingqiu to be on the second side of the abyss to form another strong 4* team(taser before 3.0, hyperbloom/burgeon after 3.0). Melt Rosaria and melt Ganyu are also fairly popular. It’s just that best cryo unit - Ayaka - doesn’t really work with melt, so reaction gets less attention.
Also, yeah, no, electrocharged IS BROKEN. It was always okay, but with dendro it is broken. Double auras are extremely valuable and EC allowing you to react with both elements is so, so good.
As for burning, at a baseline it’s bad, but Nahida existing makes it significantly better. The way her E works allows to consolidate AoE, and her 1.5U dendro allows for it to enable rev melt fairly well.
Oh you do Genshin stuff as well! :D