Josh Allen OUT of the GREAT QBs CONVERSATION after playoff LOSS to the Chiefs? 😳 | Get Up
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- The Get Up crew react to the Buffalo Bills' 27-24 loss to the Kansas City Chiefs in the NFL playoffs, discuss how much Josh Allen is to blame and compare him to other QBs around the league.
0:00 How much is Josh Allen to blame?
5:00 QB wins and losses
7:00 Josh Allen's talent
10:00 Philip Rivers or Eli Manning?
13:50 Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen
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Sounds like Josh isn’t Quarterbacky enough🤷♂️
Good point
BUT HIS RUSHING YARDS!!!😂
If only he was a better Game Manager.
You won today, Sir.
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12:40 If Lamar has that kinda game and loses, then y'all had better have all this grace and understanding for him too
you know they won't...
Have you compared Allen's numbers to Lamar's? 😂 regular season Allen trounces Lamar. Post season Allen trounces Lamar again. Why do Lamar fan boys actually think Lamar is in this conversation? 🤔 because sports media generated buzz which is mandated from woke Disney who owns ESPN (and many others) says you gotta give the MVP' and accolades to qb's of color like Mahomes and Lamar and NOT white qbs. I'm sure Rodgers will be the last White MVP for a long time. If they can't see 44 tds and all top 5 stats with scoring 86% teams tds CLEARLY beats 29 tds and mostly middling stats with barely over 50% of his teams scoring by Lamar than they must be blind, def and dumb. Or just have a woke tokenist agenda. Yeahhhh
and yet his still put up 4 touchdowns, 250 yards of offense, and the first ever triple triple in nfl history@@JoshAllenIstheNextJohnElway
and ended the game with 4 total TDs. plz go touch grass troll@@JoshAllenIstheNextJohnElway
“That kinda game?!” 300 yards, 2 TDs zero turnovers. Against a top 3 defense in the playoffs is bad?!?! Wow lol
Thank you Dom 👏🏾
If Dak, Hurts, etc… played the same exact game everyone would have said Dak or Hurts came up small
Dak is 2 and 7 in the playoffs he is a choke artist
Dak and Hurts aren’t in the same conversation as Allen. Josh Allen has more talent than both of them combined.
@@robertschoelerman7496 so is Josh all #1 choker in the NFL
Except neither of those teams made out of the first round?
They got blown out,lol
The Dan Marino comparison is perfect
Could also use Philip rivers
Philip rivers consistantly choked. Rivers does not deserve to be in conversation
Dan Marino went to 3 championship games and a superbowl with one of the worst defenses In football, Allen has a top 5 defense every year and comes up short. Terrible analogy, marino also an all time great, Allen is more like Rivers
@@brandonguido933what top 5 defense are you watching any fan could tell there defense is dawg water….Josh Allen’s fault that they were giving 9.0 yards to play?Ill wait
Football from the 1900s....I miss that
@@brandonguido933
Tony Romo constantly choked and people want to put him in that conversation too? 😅
Lamar Jackson spent five years with the worst passing scheme in the NFL and bottom five WR corps on the outside and he NEVER received this much grace during his four playoff games, before this season. Even with a better passing scheme and just 'decent' WRs (Still a significant step up from what he used to have), he was right back in the MVP race while on his backup TE and third RB, and still had to hear about his 1-3 playoff record under Roman's God awful passing scheme.
LJ didn't even finish the szn in 2021 and 2022. That's why he doesn't get as much luv. JA is at least winning a playoff game the last 4 seasons. Only PM has done better
He got a pass his rookie year he got crushed 2019 because he was the No.1 seed with that same scheme and receivers can’t have it both ways
Agree with some of what you said but com’on fam the Ravens are the most talented team in the league..their issues were staying healthy..that WR core and tight endz are crazy!!
Lamar is 10x better than josh and it’s obvious Lamar is black and that’s why he receives so much hate from prejudice fans and media
And that’s the point.
Like Shanon said.. Brady threw for a record 505 yards in the Super Bowl vs the eagles but gets blamed for the loss bcuz of 1 turnover and he failed to catch a ball…. The game is about moments and Allen has yet to pull through in those moments. If you’re gonna be getting all the credit for winning you deserve to get the blame in a loss, it’s only fair
josh allen scored twice with under 4 minutes left inthe game in 2021 season
@@crustybs46Who cares. Has he won an MVP or Super Bowl?
@forddreamsdofly546 trent dilfer won a superbowl. Pretending winning a superbowl is the only thing making a qb great is just stupid lol. Like 50 IQ level takes
@@crustybs46 But he won, something Josh Allen can’t do! Questioning my IQ when you’re dumb enough to believe he deserves to be discussed as one of the greats without having any accomplishments to show for it. If that’s not low IQ, tell me what is?
@@crustybs46 No one compares Trent Dilfer with Brady or Mahomes. Allen is simply not in the discussion. He can’t get past Mahomes, tried 3 times and failed, never won an MVP, and he’s a turn over machine. The only IQ in question is yours for believing Allen comes anywhere close to Mahomes or Lamar.
I rarely agree with Ryan Clark but the commentary on Josh Allen's greatness today is spot on. Kudos to Ryan Clark for finally getting it right
He’s wrong Allen is top 3 and has been nothing worst for 4 years
Allen is 2nd only to mahomes
Yall bugging Lamar better than him burrow better than him
@@chinajoe272 well were is his sb?
Lineup all their careers Allen has the best stats the most playoff wins and has stayed the healthiest so what are the other guys better at
Nobody talks about what the score could have have been if Hardman either tucked the ball or maintained possession when he tried to carry it over the plane.
We talk in "could haves" now? What if Diggs catches that deep ball? What if Bass makes that kick? Just stop.
My thoughts exactly. That game was OVER if Hardman scored.
Josh Allen was not bringing the Bills back. Now! They had that opportunity to tie or win, then what happens...
@@MarloSoBalJrpeople forget that the chiefs knock down a clear pick the other defender was waiting on or when Allen fumble & the chiefs defender try to scoop & score so the te on buffalo tip it back to them .. Kc had a lot of chances to shut the game out but didn’t only thing bills ain’t capitalize
@@RemmyRiffsthat was my point. They were talking could haves, but only about their savior, and NFL Joel Embiid, Josh Allen.
Or if the chiefs recovered that fumble
Let’s not forget another dude who has been put in that category without even winning a playoff win is Justin Hebert. There are certain players the media and folks love just because of their appearance and resemblance of the stereotype QB look. 6’5 👱🏻♂️
Trevor Lawrence too. They look the part.
Exactly. But some people want to act naive and act like they don't see it.😐 Meanwhile Lamar had a great season as a passer but some still want to call him a running back.🙄
the difference is the Chargers have had 2 consecutive HOF quarterbacks prior to Herbert and didn't win a thing. The Chargers are just booty.
I believe Josh’s stats are inflated because of the ints , always trying to make up for messing up smh
Lamar has also burrow ain't won' it and Jalen hurts so all them are the same then
Mahomes has given the Chiefs defense a lot of credit for their wins this year. He understands it's not just him.
Exactly Josh Allen or mahomes don’t play defense or kick FG
But they make the decisions on offense that are the difference in games like this. Allen isn't at that level
@@gold_ram_5.780just a hater azz trash take. Mahomes is very fortunate and has had far better talent and support around him in all 3 games in playoffs versus Bills and Allen. How do you like my honest take there? Stick it up your @$$!!
This was a great discussion. Detail oriented football analysis where multiple variables are taken into consideration. The hot takes are cool sometimes for entertainment purposes but these debates feed the diehard fans that love the nuance of the game
Yes, finally after so many years they really had a conversation saying that it's more than a QB's sport, it is a team sport, where obviously the QB is the most important position and always had the spotlight, but even they need the help of the other players from offense, defense, special teams to success...
Thats what I thought. The hottakes always feel scripted and corny for views. This was a better discussion cause it was real, this was exactly how we as fans argue about ball in person or over twitter
@@ezequielmartinez238 Facts
Thank you Dom. I swear that the media can slip in a narrative for one player and completely destroy another - with the same situation. Josh was erratic ALL YEAR. A turnover machine. So bad that they fired the offensive coordinator. Not only did he still have his name in the MVP race by some people at the end of this horrible year, but ALL i hear is how Diggs dropped the ball that could have put them over the edge. "Don't blame Josh for this" is all I am seeing everywhere. What? The Bills were "supposed" to be battling for the #1 seed in the AFC. Josh has sympathy out the @$$. When Lamar lost to Pittsburgh he had EIGHT dropped passes. Two for clear tuchdowns. Allllllllllllll the media roasted him for weeks saying he threw a pick late, as he was trying to get them BACK in the game. Where were these tears?!?!? Lamar is a UNANIMOUS MVP and has the highest winning percentage, as a QB, next to Brady, and noooo oneeee gives a rats @$$ or puts a cape on for him like what Josh gets. How is that even conceivable? Don't answer...I already know.
PREACH ☝🏾
And that's what the talking heads in TV don't seem to get!...or,
They do, but are still being disingenuous, because they have to elevate Allen, for whatever agenda they may have!
Lamar is a tier above Allen. Maybe two. He’s the closest man to Mahomes. Coming from a Chiefs fan. Lamar is just as special he just hasn’t had the pieces. If he wins a superbowl he will be Mahomes true rival
Josh lead the league in total tds and has lost more in the playoffs then Josh.Josh also didn’t throw a pick late lmao 😂 but your right it’s cause he is white and black and systemic racism blah blah 😒
@@tytar1037 lamar and mahomes are 1a and 1b...
Nobody is blaming Josh. Except everybody.
read another comment. Allen didn't play well enough. He didn't even reach 200 yards passing with less than 5 yards an attempt. This is a good performance.
@@davidporter7051casual comment. It his recievers hadn’t failed him, he would’ve ended with 300+ yards and 4 total TDs minimum. Just stfu you don’t know anything
@@davidporter7051did you watch the game, diggs dropped a bomb and so did someone else there goes 100+ yards out th3 window
@@KG_Ozi22 it doesn't matter. Great quarterbacks play great and don't average 4.7 yards an attempt.
sherfield also dropped a bomb. Josh running for 75 and 2 doesn't matter to you because of your bias.@@davidporter7051
Going to be very tough for the Bills to add more talent to their team considering that next year, they will have a huge cap hit.
This was their best chance to finally win one. Home field advantage against a Chiefs team that hasn't been offensively elite this year. The Bills window isn't completely closed but the opening is very very small now.
No dude they have a great young core and Beane is a cap wizard.
@@Jay-eo3wl Dude. That’s just not true at all. It really isn’t.
They keep putting josh Allen over Lamar and it’s so stupid to do
@@ladavionjohnson he had 15 more TDs way bigger % of the temas TDs and yards than lamar, with a defense that fails him time after time and a coach that goes for it when he shouldnt , and doesnt go for it when he should. Allen on the ravens or cheifs and hes more acclaimed than either of mahomes or lamar. 1 player cant make up for 52 others sucking.
The issue is the top 4 QBs are all in the AFC rn
One is better the rest of them have zero rings.You can’t put burrow,Lamar and whoever else unless they win the superbowl
@@danielventura8118 that's just false. It's a team game. You tryna tell me Trent dilfer was better than Dan Marino? Please
Purdy sure you're right.....
@tjellis1479 I like Purdy but you don't know ball
@@TheGoldenBoot-cz1do I am saying in the case of the top 4 qbs
This is the best conversation out of all!! Yes we want EVERYONE JUDGED the same 💯
The funniest thing about all this is, if you asked everyone to name the top 5 QBs Allen is at worst 4. Yet people act like he’s dak Prescott. And if making it to the superbowl means that much even in a loss for burrow, then you have to respect Geoff for doing the same thing too
he played great for most of the game, but he didnt make the play he needed to make at the end of the game. what sets guys like allen apart from guys like mahomes and brady is that brady and mahomes will make the key plays down the stretch in these massive games
Prescott >>> Allen
@@joaobrito2653 I never said he was mahomes or Brady. I can’t make sense of what mahomes is doing, part of me still thinks I’m dreaming. Allen isn’t there but idk if he’ll ever be that and that’s okay. Especially when he doesn’t have a great OC that can mitigate his weaknesses. I would never compare Allen to mahomes
No one is acting like he's Dak. Dak gets demolished when his ints are out of control. Everyone gives Josh Allen leeway on that.
@@brucehicks5817 no they don’t? That’s the first or second thing people bring up. And Daks interceptions are more overblown to me. Dak doesn’t really throw a lot of picks
13:05 Exactly! Josh Allen gets treated like he still won after he loses. No other quarterback seems to get as much grace as he’s getting. He’s being anointed as great even when he falls short of expectations.
Jalen hurts can do no wrong he is the reason his team lost and still it’s all about nick sitianni and that defense ur wrong bro stop talkin
@@tonyrusso1098Hurts get more flak than Allen. Lamar do too.
@@FPSLarryIIIcomplete nonsense. No qb has been more criticized the past season and a half than Allen. By far. You're nuts if you think otherwise. The nicknames like "turnover machine" did they give precious Lamar a nasty nickname? Nope. Yet compare their stats and Jackson is middling while Allen is top 5 in every category. Meanwhile was Allen a "turnover machine"? Allen had the 2nd best touchdown to turnover advantage in the NFL. Better than Mahomes, Hurts, Tua or Jackson. Allen's turnover worthy play percentage better than those guys also this season. Sooooooooo funny how none of yall bother to mention any of that, cuz you're all biased and ignorant. Listen to the manufactured mainstream sports media talking points. The NFL and their woke agenda. Can't have a white qb get the MVP again. Let's hand it to Lamar with 29 tds this season to Allen's 44. Just cuz he is....more diverse....😑
Lamar is 1-3 is all I’ve heard alll week not once have you blamed the team
Look up lamars playoff #'s and tell me about Lamars "team" some more. Smh
@@BillsMafiaExperience maybe lamars numbers are bad bc his receivers were trash and was under Greg Roman?
Media explains how they incorrectly judge players … then Proceeds to incorrectly judge players 😂
Yeah and in particular, Josh Allen.
@@BillsMafiaExperienceIk i just commented under your post in another thread, but i don't see how allen is incorrectly judged. He's literally put in the same convo as mahomes, some people have been calling them 1a and 1b until this last saturday. He's finally getting treated like other guys for losing in the offs, which i also think is completely unfair to him as a Lamar fan who had to deal with this nonsense media reporting for years now. Just ignore it till next year and they will come around.
I don't understand this at all - so if Allen had 9 turnovers and 2 yards passing but they won he'd be great?
to the casual NFL fan - yes
Josh is the best QB in the NFL if his WRs caught the ball in that game you all would be bowing
Lamar had receivers drop 8 passes including 3 TDs against the titans. He didn’t get the excuses. He lost and he was told to play better.
Lmk what their career playoff stats are
@@FGrecoJR Look at who Lamar had at the skill positions.
@kingstonellington817 Oh so Lamar does get excuses also then
Why are these experts acting as if Josh Allen didn't come up short in 4th quarter?
The constant goal post moving when it comes to Allen is just ridiculous. People keep bringing up his regular season stats to talk about his "greatness". That means nothing when it comes to the playoffs. Peyton put up amazing regular season numbers but the playoffs monkey was crushing his back until he finally won a championship. It's the same with Allen. Until he can take his team to the Superbowl he will always be criticized whether it's fair or not.
Because he didn't his kicker did maybe watch the game and the recievers dropped passes watching the game helps
Allen has great playoff stats but no syperbowls
@@robertschoelerman7496 doesnt matter he had many opportunity's to win that game and ball in his hand at the end to score a TD and threw the ball in the dirt
@@Ray__Ehis playoff stats are incredible
I love how this entire conversation ignores that Josh got blown out at home in the divisional by Burrow just last season. He's not in the same conversation as him or Mahomes. Period.
Did Burrow beat him one on one or did the bengals team beat the bills team?
The question is not whether he’s Mahomes, the question asked here is if he’s a great QB. And unless you think that the only great QBs in the league are Mahomes and Lamar, you’d have to consider Allen great.
@@goldenstatewarriors9418 the fact you exclude Burrow tells me all I need to know about your knowledge of football.
@@jaust9077 Did Burrow throw 2 TD passes in that game before his first incomplete pass? Did Burrow throw for 2 TDs compared to Allens zero? Did Burrow complete 63% of his passes compared to Allens 59%? Did Burrow run for 31 yards compared to Allens 26 with a higher per attempt average? We have to stop this narrative that because QBs lost a playoff game is always to blame on the team and defense and not the fact that they didnt perform well enough to win the game.
@@justadude1065You aren't wrong but he's not either. I don't get why we only talk about qb performances like there aren't 21 other guys and special teams.
*Had Ford not jumped offsides, Mahomes wouldve been to 4 SB's already and likely 3 SB wins AND we're talking about how Josh Allen could've been 1-3 against Patrick Mahomes and Joe Burrow instead of 0-4 in the playoffs?!!*
Please don't ever put him the same sentence as Mahomes again.
Bro snuck Burrow in there like they ain’t only play 1 playoff game
@@isaiahh4108 Burrow schooled Allen at Buffalo's stadium. Don't act like that lost was a mulligan. Were we supposed to give participation awards that day or no? Burrow by achievements is above Allen too. That's the point.
If Damar Hamlin doesn't die Buffalo gets the 1 seed. If Buffalo gets the Ball first in the 13 second game, Buffalo wins. If Buffalo's defense isn't injured every year, they make a stop. Josh Allen has been nearly perfect in the playoffs. If Buffalo doesn't fake punt with a 3rd stringer late in the game, they pin KC back instead of give them ball in scoring position relying on Allen needing to lead a comeback drive. There's a lot of ifs involved. All 3 of the losses Buffalo had to KC could have easily gone the other way with 1 play.
Did anyone actually watch this game????? How on earth is Josh Allen not great????
This is facts because they bashed Lamar for losing and he was 21 years old youngest playoff QB ever.
This was the best honest, true and knowledgeable conversation in this subject! EVERY QBs success is directly affected by their coaching and teammates. In fact, every single player, not just the QB. Unfortunately, that's not how most judge them.
yet they call football the ultimate team sport lol
@zack1610 Yup! Of course, there are levels to players' individual talent, but not a single player would have success without their teammates. And their level of success is greatly based on their teammates level of talent and performance.
Thank you Louis for making the point any normal person was thinking.
Josh Allen is a surefire first ballot Hall of Famer. There is no doubt about that. Dan Marino never won a Superbowl. John Elway lost three before he won two. Aaron Rogers, Brett Favre, Peyton Manning lost many playoff games. Hall of Famer, Hall of Famer, Hall of Famer, Hall of Famer, Hall of Famer. Josh Allen is one of the greatest players in the history of the game. He is responsible for the majority of the points of the Buffalo Bills. He is their leading rusher as well as an alltime great passer. I'm tired of listening to idiots trying to say that fans will not say he is one of the greatest. When he is given his gold jacket football fans will say that he deserves it as much as anyone else who ever has gotten one.
👏 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏
The Okoye shoutout brought joy to my heart.
Josh Allen threw 39 time and only had 186 yards with 86 QBR. That’s not a good game if anything if that was Lamar or Jalen hurts they will kill them and question their passing ability. Josh gets that 👱🏻♂️ pass
Bills WR dropped 3 30+ yard passes, including the 65 yard to our WR1
Exactly. I'm really trying to understand why some people said he had a "great" game. He fumbled and got bailed out by a teammate. A few passes he forced could've been intercepted if the Chiefs defenders didn't drop them. If the ball bounced the other way he could've had at least two turnovers that would've buried the Bills in that game
True plus the argument is silly at best because the "what if Josh did this, what if Josh did that" stuff is insane to me. You can say the same for any QB, What if the Chiefs doesn't turn the ball over at the one yard line, are looking at a 10 point lead instead of an 3.smh
@@juanteranlopez4900Those weren’t pass drops. The diggs one was a good cover by the DB and stefon should’ve made the tough catch but that wasn’t a drop. Also Mahommes been dealing with that the whole year but all I heard was y’all claiming Josh Allen was better this year?
Allen was under 6 yards a pass attempt. His own coaches don't trust him
Just shows how unfair players are judged good and bad. So many factors in football that get you the win but in the end the media just sees win or lose.
Fans do it too.
This is a great discussion
Josh Allen is what the NFL thought they found in Carson Wentz😂
GWH
Dom is totally on point!
Josh is given what he is not and forgiven for what he is.
And that is what drive us all crazy and over criticize him just to compensate those who start by over glorify him.
No, you don't appreciate Allen for all he is and does. Of course you don't. You're a hater with an agenda. ESPN directs soo much criticism and negativity at Allen it's unreal.
Josh is a great QB. It's a team game and everyone needs to step up to win the game. Mahome is doing great because the Chief has a team that step up to every game.
Very fair and accurate post. 1st one I've read here.
*RB
@@BillsMafiaExperienceno it’s not. Josh is super overrated. Bills were gaining 6-8 yards a play that last possession. If he picks up a quick first down, most likely they punch it in the end zone with 10-20 seconds left. Worst case scenario you’ve got a 20 yd field goal with time expiring. If josh was a great qb, he makes the right read and wins the game. He’s not a great qb. He’s talented but he’s not great.
@@yasssssok7319your brain is smooth 😂😂😂😂😂
@@BillsMafiaExperienceyou're 100% correct 👍
Facts!!!! I love this segment
What is the sound that I've noticed in numerous Get Up, and I think First Take, videos. It happens in this one JUST after 4:16, after Jeff says Andy Reed. It sounds like a high pitched Yoshi gulp sound effect or something. I thought it was just my phone app or something but now I've heard it on my computer as well so it must be actually in the videos.
He’s a good gb and I believe he can win a ring
After mahomes retire
On Madden lol
With his playing style he may retire before Mahomes.
If not for the goat he would have a ring.
Josh Allen won't last that long with his style of play.
You're all c*nts
Get Josh Allen a number 1 WR and he's gonna get one.
And a top 5 defense that stays healthy into the playoffs with a coach that doesn't blow it. And a special teams that isn't bottom 5 like Buffalo's this year. Allen got no support and took most if not all of the criticism.
He got a number 1 years ago, and they missed the window while he was still a number 1. He had a top 5 defense, but they missed the window while the defense was still elite. Not their fault either, Mahomes and the chiefs were just better🤷🏾♂️
If we are putting this on Josh, then there better not be be another ‘why is MVP a QB’ award
Joe Burrow is better than Josh Allen. Joe will
be a Super Bowl winner before Josh.
We will see
Another trash 🗑 take 😒
In this same conversation:
“It’s nuanced as the reason Josh Allen loses”
“If Lamar loses Sunday, he’s like what 2-4 in the playoffs? That’s not good”
“No one is blaming Josh”. Everyone is blaming Josh lol
No-one is blaming him, they are just pointing out that truly great QBs elevate their team and their own play when it's needed most and until he does that regularly then he doesn't deserve to be in the same conversation as Mahomes.
You're not watching any vids then. Dan Orlovsky, Rex Ryan and Greeny are DEFENDING Josh!
@@mathewjones8886 josh allens epa/play being .27 with 140 yards of drops is a very high number so no not really
@@crustybs46 Not really what? He's constantly mentioned in the same conversation as Mahomes despite achieving nothing close to what #15 has done. You can quote whatever stats you like, everyone has seem him fall short every season and get sent home early. I'm not saying he isn't a very good QB but he's shown no greatness at all yet and the gap between him and Mahomes is growing with each passing year. As it stands only the most optimistic Bills fans could possibly think Allen will accomplish in his whole career what the KC QB has already done in just his first 6 years. He's not to blame for the defeat but he's also not close to being on Mahomes level once the post season come around.
@@mathewjones8886 he's literally outplayed mahomes in the playoffs during a game. And lost. It's almost as if winning has nothing to do with how well a qb performs
The Marino comparison was spot on 💯
Saturday proving Foxworths point at the end 😂
Golden boy Allen will always get excuses.
Please that been Lamar whole career excuses for doing nothing and choking 1 and 3, in the playoffs so stop
@@robertschoelerman7496Lamar one win away from a superbowl appearance allen is at home cause he chokes against mahomes if Lamar beats mahomes he better than allen and if he wins a superbowl josh allen can’t be in the same conversation haha cry
allen and lamar already played each other in the playoffs. it did not go well for lamar. @@Keion973
@@robertschoelerman7496 Lamar >>> Joshy...
Ain’t nobody care about black QBs get over it clown
The main point throughout the convo is.... THE MORE PAID, THE MORE BLAME😂😂
Allen is 10th qb in salary. He gets more criticism than any other qb in the NFL. Heck, Nick Wright makes it his personal mission to trash Allen 24/7/365.
Greatest segment I’ve watched in a while.
It is and always will be a combination of factors that make a great.
What about Dakota Prescott?
It would be nice if they spent most of the segments talking about the QB’s whose teams won games
Why because all the media dies is shove mahomes down our throats so stop mahomes is brought up in every thing
They have the whole week to do that still
Yeah for sure man. No one ever talks about Mahomes and Lamar.
@@Garret_bruh_homeygreat sarcasm. 👌🏼
I understand talking about the great tier, but blaming Allen for the loss is ridiculous, bills wouldn’t be playing in that game without Allen.
He didn't cause the loss, he always doesn't overcome big things to win either. Mahomes overcomes things to win at all costs. That's the difference
Even Lamar Jackson before this playoff run didn’t get this type of conversation to his name and to think that this was before his first run at least to the AFC Championship game
Last week people were saying a rookie QB would go to Baltimore and beat the best team in the NFL with the one defense, because he had "played better in the playoffs than Lamar Jackson ever has." Even after GB beat Dallas, nobody had them beating SF. But most had the Texans beating the Ravens.
Cry about it, he can't do what Josh does every year in the playoffs
@@lubabalomengu8311 Okay but nobody questioned his greatness because of previous playoff failures, it’s not like he was going to be taken off the list of great QBs in the league.
@@brianhenry7983 I’m not crying about anything
@@lakerskid2013 they already did though. Before the start of the season, they ranked Mahomes, Burrow, Hurts, Allan, Herbert even Dak and Lawrence ahead of him.
He is in the great QB discussion, he is simply so far NOT in the great all-time discussion. His "fault" or not the all-time greats find a way to elevate against whatever odds and win hard/close games in the playoffs. The talent and drive is there, but that special something that SO few professional athletes in any sport have ever had has simply not been there for him in the playoffs so far.
Facts 💯
The bigger concern with Josh Allen is the style of football he plays. I wouldn't really put him in with Dan Marino or Peyton or Philip Rivers. To me, he's Big Ben 2.0. Maybe Cam? Maybe. But that style of play doesn't lend itself to long careers at the top of your game. This offseason it's the shoulder (again). Last year it was the elbow. And the thing about being 260 lbs is sooner or later it's the knees, ankles, and hips too. Can Josh be a top 3-5 QB year after year with that style of play?
…This guy gets to be called elite and compared to MVPs and superbowl participants yet he consistently comes up short in big moments. It’s been 5 years of this. The disrespect to Lamar and Mahomes is crazy.
Don’t worry folks the 4 time media defending champs Josh Allen and Bills will still be the top favorites to win the MVP and the Super Bowl next season. NFL and media won’t quit on their dream to have Josh Allen as the face of the NFL
hang the banner !!! LOL
That's because he's the best person playing the sport as showcased each week amd silly people like you get confused by the simple fact that winning isn't a QB statistic.
So Marino, Kelly, Boomer, Matty Ryan are all out too, but Trent Dilfer & Nick Foles are great? I agree with 2 conversations. Great QB's and Super Bowl winning Qb's
Trent Dilfer was lucky to be put on the good defense of a team
There's more nuance than that. Dilfer and Foles won, but would anyone put them above any of the QB's you listed? Likely only to be contrarian. There are great QB's and then there are the great QB's that won it all. There's a third level where it's both and I'm pretty sure that's what's getting lost here. Burrow is great, but he failed to win it all. Allen's a great QB, but until he wins it all, he's not there yet. A QB can pass the "eye test" and you know his talent is beyond others, but without the rings, he's a tier below those who both pass the "eye test" AND have the championships.
@@Orphim The word "great" is overused these days. Allen is a very good QB but he hasn't earned the right to be called great. Talent alone doesn't define greatness, it needs to be coupled with the ability to rise to the occasion and elevate both your team and your own play when the pressure is highest in the post season and Allen hasn't managed to do that yet.
@@Orphim Well put!
@@chrssara77 Seriously, I think his back up could have won that game.
I fully agree they need to advance the conversation. ALL these players impacting the game and if they’re not a QB, you’re never gonna hear their names
Best conversation ever
Josh Allen is on the same level as Phillip Rivers… Huge arm, crazy numbers, HOF talent but in the biggest moment when it’s time to win…. He isn’t “that” dude…….
So do you think Brock Purdy is elite vs JA. He came up big in that last drive for SF. Why isn’t he in the top 5
Except for the game in KC 2 yrs ago, drove 75 yrds under 2 minutes to take the lead lol lol,haters always gonna hate 😂
a lot liike rivers if you're too biased to include the fact that Josh is one of the most dangerous running Qb's of all time. Of if you want to overlook that Josh has as many playoff wins as Rivers, 5, and Josh is only 27. you guys are out there.
This is ridiculous. Josh puts up yearly numbers that we’ve never seen a QB do in the NFL before. He has more eye-popping plays than anyone. He single-handedly changed the course of a franchise. The new stadium they are building is mostly because of Josh. Without him, there’s a strong chance the Bills aren’t even in Buffalo still.
def. It's as if any QB who isn't Montana, Bradshaw, Brady, or Mahomes is not great to these people. Josh isn't Mahomes. But he'll get a SB. Not multiple, but he'll get one.
Being great isnt the point.
Compare the amount of hate Lamar gets for not having won compared to the amount of hate Allen gets.
Lamar gets A LOT more hate than Allen does.
@@kamonie3331
I know you only see race through everything because you’re a chronic underachiever, but this isn’t about Lamar. Try and keep up.
Two things can be true...he can be all that and STILL not be clutch. Burrow and Mahommes own him, those are his contemporaries...we don't care about what he does against the others, rise to the top against the other guys that are great
Lamar has done more with less
It wasn’t Josh Allen that had to stop the Chiefs offense and NEVER DID
No. This is just a heat of the moment thing. He’s still a great player w/ a lot of time left.
everyone talking about how josh loses all the playoff games would have a point if he personally didn't show up. in 10 playoff games, he has 21 TD's to 4 INT's, with 5 rushing TD's to boot. he comes to play every playoffs even if he can't get over the mahomes hump.
I see those stats now name the quarterbacks and teams he beat. A playoff win is a win but the point is when facing elite comp he comes up short
186 yards on 39 pass attempts isn't showing up.
@@Dark_B3ast he's not going against quarterbacks though. he had 300 yards and 5 TD's against bellichek's defense, but according to everyone else it doesn't count because it's against mac jones.
my point is just that he's played great and a lot of things outside of his control (namely the defense) has let him down. he played a perfect game in 2021 against mahomes and gave his team the lead twice in the final 2 mins
@@pre757excuses excuse
Where was all the context when Lamar didn’t have a #1 receiver???
He still had an elite defense and STs that Allen has never had
@@isaiahh4108 Ok, but since Allen has had all the weapons he has had on offense... doesn't that help him compile great stats during games? The Ravens having a great defense doesn't help Lamar statistically on offense. When people judge Lamar and compare his results with other QBs, rarely do they consider what he has had to work with in comparison to what others have had to work with offensively.
@@kingstonellington817 what weapons Allen had Diggs and Lamar had Andrew’s and better run games
@@isaiahh4108 so we're going to sit here and act like Andrews is the same type of game breaking and explosive talent that Diggs is? A dynamic player like that opens up opportunities for your other receivers. Andrews isn't that type of talent. He's a pro bowl tight end and a good one, but he doesn't affect the game in that way.
The Ravens do have a better run game, but you do Lamar a disservice when you fail to mention that he is largely the reason for that.
Exactly- don’t compare anyone to Mahomes till they accomplished like Mahomes!
Mahomes came into a perfect situation with two HOFers to throw to. He has the best interior o-line in football. He now has a top 10 RB and a stud rookie wr. Oh, and they have the best defense in the NFL. But yes, Mahomes won 2 SBs, not the KC Chiefs. If you put Burrow, Allen, or Lamar in the Chiefs, they all have at least one SB. And Mahomes has only actually had one statistically good playoff game.
@@frankleni6718Andy couldn’t get over the hump until Patrick mahomes came so yea mahomes a all time great qb And this coming from a ravens fan gotta give credit where it’s due mahomes on a different level he don’t got the best defense this year it’s my ravens this the only year where his defense better then his offense there is nothing to say about his greatness this comment is kinda crazy the man can retire now and be a hofer
Facts he in a tier of his own
@@Keion973 They got over the humo after Spags came there. Didn’t he join after that whole Dee Ford fiasco?! The Chiefs are the 2nd best run organization since 2000. It is a major disrespect to the rest of the organization to give Mahomes the Lion’s share of the credit without recognizing that Lamar, Butrow, and Allen would all have rings on their fingers if they were drafted by the Chiefs.
8:21 thank you!
He’s in the same league as Dak, Goff, and Cousins
I’m sorry but Golf at least went to the Super Bowl and lost against Brady. Also Golf has a 2nd team in the NFC playoff. So Golf should be about Allen, Barely playoff winning Dak and Cousins.
He's won 6 playoff games has 30Tds to 4 to just STOP with the BS. He loses to Mahomes and the Chiefs (the best QB and Coach in the league)
@@christianrunfola9461 made it past the second round once, who cares if you win the wild card round. He is good, but he and his team can’t get it done in the playoffs. I will change my opinion when he does
@@hassanmccraw5905 Losing to the team that wins the SB 🤦🏼♂️
@@divinepressure4594 so that means Jim Kelly is one of the greatest, ohh wait no one brings him up because his team couldn’t win the big one, and he made it to 4 in a row.
Chiefs fan but josh Allen is in the group with Lamar and burrow no doubt can’t tell me the rest of the league wouldn’t swap their QB for Allen just mahomes is the best
😂😂 lamar is a 2x MVP and o. His way to a SB. Stop it. I'm a Josh Allen fan but they are not in the same category. Josh has way more turnovers and has a top 5 WR for years. Lamar has never had the weapon Josh got. LJ best target has been injured.
pfff. Allen is a disaster waiting to happen each snap. He is the NFL version of James Hardin
@@36louieboy I’m not saying I’d swap Allen for Lamar… I meant the rest of the league except bengals chiefs ravens would swap for Allen
@@davidporter7051 I don’t think he chokes
@@ben98_669fair
4:24 thank you!
I love this show
Idk, it’s tough. Then if Lamar loses next week, is he out of it as well?
Yeah he was 1-3 he did what he was post to he beat rookie qb now he 2-3 thanks to a rookie qb so he lose this next time he for sure ain’t up there
No, Ryan Clark will never say that about Lamar.
Lamar has a MVP TO HIS NAME, and is taking him team to the AFC finals.
Pleased tell me what Josh has done, I’ll wait on it……. Sill waiting
@@arthurmalonell115 Allen has been in the AFC Championship game already and Lamar only has 2 playoff wins
@@100shaunnordon’t worry Lamar not going to lose so it don’t matter
Josh is still a great QB, it's just Andy Reid out coached the Bills and the Bills dropped a few key passes that would have won them the game
Andy Reid almost cost the Chiefs the game with that stupid Mecole Hardman playcall. Mahomes won that game being as efficient as a QB can be
Fax stop saying coach Reid it’s mahomes always Reid not throwing the ball
10:01 thank you!
It’s crazy Allen still gets credited for doing nothing like he not that guy til he makes atleast the afc championship again 🤷🏾♂️
More team goals he gets criticism for while simultaneously suppressing all his great individual player stats. OK 👌
Imagine Josh in an Andy Reid offense. He's a total stud and would make any team better
These people don't like facts. Josh Allen. Is the only QB you can put him on any roster and they win. Mahomes needs Reid and Lamar needs a system
Imagining Josh with Chiefs WRs the past two years….yeah he would be mediocre at best.
@@brianhenry7983mahomes would get a chip with the bills. Stop playing. Especially all the years they had great defenses.
@@brianhenry7983 you think Josh is winning anything with those wide receivers mahomes has and getting to the superbowl with that oline from a couple years back?
@@dresantana7157 you clueless 😂
It was a collective. PERIOD. All of the failed plays could be blamed on maybe 5-6 players. When Josh was spot on, other players messed up. When others were open he didn't think or the OC play calling was way off. Chiefs were spot on when it counted. Josh Allen is, and will always be a great QB.
Josh allen is not great. He's good. He's get to much grace while qbs like Dak and hurts get destroyed. Josh turns the ball over far to much and he's never gonna win a super bowl
@@gold_ram_5.780nothing but bad supposition and hater speech there. Come back with a cogent argument. Oh that's right, there is none for your side. That's why you f*cks always need the absence of complete context to trash Allen. Scum.
Was Mahomes out of the conversation when Tampa smoked him in the Super Bowl?
Stop judging Quarterbacks so harshly in a team sport. They don't throw to themselves, they don't block for themselves, they don't run out and play defense.
Imagine throwing a game winning touchdown, leaving the field with 13 seconds left and your defense blows it. Stop blaming one guy.
The guy getting paid the most is absolutely going to get judged harshly.
They are simply not understanding what RC is saying 😂 he is 1000% correct.
Like RC said great players make more plays!! It was multiple years Patrick mahomes didn’t have a defense
And he had a Hall of Fame coach, a Hall of Fame to be tight end and the fastest wide out in the league in Tyreek Hill. Put Mahomes in Cleveland for six years after his draft and see if you have the same dude in 2024.
Josh Allen did make more plays. But everyone else on the team needs to make plays too. Like Diggs dropping a 60+ yard ball and Bass making a field goal
@@thenerdupstairs5705 👏👏👏
@@nb4411he did not drop anything. It went through. Cannot drop something you nevr had to begin with.
@@thenerdupstairs5705but then they traded Hill and he won again… and this year his receivers have been terrible and he beat Josh again
god ive never seen so many excuses being made for someone
I know, Lamar always has the media bail him out and talk him up like he actually can beat more than a rookie QB in the playoffs 😂
Josh is a lock first ballot HOFer and he's going to finish with a top 5 statistical career of all time. Your hate won't stop that from being the case.
@@brianhenry7983 yall weren't saying this last week, lmaooo!!!!!!
@@luxuryseaviewvillas6744how is he a lock when he has no mvps no. Superbowls no all pros there’s more accomplished QBs than him who are not locks for the hall of fame Rich Gannon is more accomplished than Josh and he’s not a hof
if you don't think Josh is walking into the HOF, you don't understand how it works. He's on pace to be top 5 of all time statistically. He's doing things that have never been done before. you just don't understand how it works. you can argue if you think he's great all you want, but he's a lock HOFer. @@Icanthearyouatall
In the past 4 years:
Bills 189 punts / 174 TD for Allen
Chiefs 204 Punts / 151 TD for Mahomes
So Allen has produced 23 more TD than Mahomes and had 15 less punts.
The most valuable play in football is a touchdown.
All turnovers are not equal to points
Punts are still a change of possession.
Allen has produced 21 More Turnovers more than Mahomes, but produced 23 more TD and 15 less punts.
Josh Allen has accounted for 77% of Team TD, 81% of offensive TD
Pat Mahomes has accounted for 70% of team TD, 74% of offensive TD
The Bills have been the highest scoring offense in the NFL
The Chiefs have been the 3rd highest scoring offense in the NFL
The Bills have been the second most Winning team in the NFL
The Chiefs are the most winning team in the NFL
Josh Allen over the past 4 seasons:
2020 4,977 yards / 45TD
2021 5,180 Yards / 42TD
2022 5,045 yards / 42TD
2023 4,830 Yards / 44TD
No other player in NFL history has had 4 consecutive years of 40TD and this kind of production.
So Josh Allen has averaged 5000 Total yards and 43TD a season and doesn't have any MVP to show for it
Playoff stats: Averaging 328 yards a game with 26TD / 4INT and a passer rating of 100 in 10 games.
Allen was #1 in Fantasy football (production) in 2020, 2021,2023. In 2022, He was 2nd.
This past seasons, Allen accounted for 86% of his teams total scores. Next closest was 68%. Lamar was 52%.
Total TD - 1st
Total Yards - 1st
QBR - 3rd (even with TO factored in)....still 5% higher than Lamar.
That alone should have sealed an MVP for him.
Not enough? More stats for Allen:
Passing TD - 5th
Rushing TD - 1st (NFL record)
Passing yards - 4th
QB rushing - 4th
Success rate - 51.4% (2nd)
EPA/Play- .23 (2nd)
Total EPA - 136.1 (2nd)
Pass EPA - 86.6 (4th)
Rushing EPA - 49.5 (1st)
Sack % - 4% (1st)
Fantasty football (production) #1
Closes out the season with 5 straight wins, and steals the division and 2 seed. All with half of the defense being injured and having a new offensive coordinator.
And let's not pretend like having Andy Reid isn't a huge advantage over having Sean McDermott on the offensive side of the ball.
I’m starting to like Get Up a lot
Great QB's don't average a turnover a game.
Actually they do. Manning had more interceptions through this point in his career than Allen, and Brady is tied with Allen. Several of the all time greats with more interceptions through their first 6 years than Allen. And none of them with more touchdowns.
Well David, Ignorance is bliss. Keep believing the hater's lies.
@@BillsMafiaExperience =mouth breather.
@@RageDaug it's not only the interceptions its all turnovers. Allen is averaging more than a turnover a game. It has become such a burden for the Bills they will not allow Allen to do anything but throw behind the line of scrimmage. He is being treated like Kenny Mittens Pickett averaging 4 yards an attempt.
@@davidporter7051 sure, but again, so did Manning. Are you saying Peyton Manning and Bret Farve aren't great because they averaged more than a turnover a game?
Make sure you say the same about lamar if the ravens lose
Oh they will
They been doing it to Lamar
Have you not been paying attention to how lamars been covered over the years?!😂
Lamar has been getting hate and he's gonna be a 2x MVP. Lamar is eons ahead of Josh
@@travisclark7150i have. Hes been praised yet this is his first afc championship appearance
Everyone needs to be honest- all teams but maybe 3 or 4 would trade everything to get him
When was he in the convo?🤔
jeff saturday didnt include tht peyton was winning reg season mvps
Peyton also had more turn overs then Josh did in his first 6 seasons also
Ok, so now winning in the regular season counts. I always hear it doesn't count for Josh.
Through 6 years Josh has more wins, more yards, more touchdowns, and less interceptions than Manning, but Manning is great because he won a popularity contest and Josh didn't. Just trying to see if I understand your logic.
@@robertschoelerman7496 no he didnt😂
@@RageDaug clown😂
Josh Allen is a better player than anyone on the Get Up panel ever was. (Dan Orlovsky's NFL record: 3-23.)
One of them at least has a ring ...
@@jossuesandoval7761so do 5th string backups have rings. Is that all that matters or does actual context matter? I think it does.
@BillsMafiaExperience the one with the ring probably could speak on qb matters considering who he played with so context does matter...
He's a great player. For sure. Its obvious when you watch him play enough. He keeps losing to Mahomes, who alot of people wanna say is the best ever. There were great players who kept losing to Jordan, Gretzky, and so on, it didn't make them not great players.
Dan Orlovsky given the lackluster argument against ryan clark in my opinion won that debate. Allen though was drafting in an era of talented Quarterbacks whom he may not be able to succeed over throughout his career. However he possibly will win an mvp someday.
Please stop hyping the Bills every season.
Josh Allen is no better than Matt Ryan, Rivers, Dak. They all chocked.
He lost that game for the bills
Silly statement. I'm a San Diegan and we could only dream of Rivers playing that well in the playoffs. 0 Comparison
I actually think this was a good conversation on ESPN and for once not a bunch of hot takes. There is a difference between what is "fair"/actual performance and how QBs are actually remembered. Their point about Eli Manning and Rivers was spot on. Allen in the playoffs has mostly been excellent. It does not matter. Although wins and losses are a team stat, when all is said and done people remember SBs. The tape will probably show Marino played better than Montana in many of the games, but Montana is remembered moreso because his team won. Good points here mostly.
Burrow had 1 good playoff run. It’s crazy.