Naval Aviators Solve the UFO Mystery!
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- Mooch is joined by former Super Hornet pilot Brian "Sunshine" Sinclair to explain what happened at the latest UAP hearing on Capitol Hill and what the UFO phenomenon might actually be.
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I like the levelheaded approach you bring to these discussions Ward. Thank you both.
Early in the 1970's I had some buddies tell me a weird story. They had backpacked high in the Sierra Nevada mountains to fish some alpine lakes. One day at dusk they saw what they described as a telephone pole fly up the deep Kings River gorge west to east. It wasn't till 20 years later that it was released that the US Navy was firing cruise missiles from submarines off the Central California coast, flying them through high Sierra mountain passes and hit targets at China Lake. You never know what can be in the sky.
My home town basically Fresno
Astronaut Gordon Cooper in 1951 witnessed UFOs while in the USAF and film was taken - the Pentagon never returned it. Astronaut Edgar Mitchell confirmed Major David Gruschs testimony of captured Alien craft and bodies being hidden by the USAPs inside the Pentagon when he met with Admiral Tom Wilson JCS in 2002. And Colonel Phillip Cosro saw the bodies as well.
Yes okay but the UFO’s being reported, are breaking our fundamental understanding of Physics…literally upending the laws of thermodynamics…Look at the Nobel prizes awarded in Physics/Chemistry the past 25 years…we are nowhere close to ufo technology that people are reporting and seeing with their own eyes…
There is a gigantic difference between a secret submarine rocket, and a UFO teleporting back and forth and zipping out the atmosphere into space…
@@HarryO1861 Just modify your story, add some sexy "facts" and thereya go - you'll be center of the barbeque discussion again!
In high school in the early 80's me and my neighborhood friends used to make UFO hoaxes, they were the long dry cleaners bags that coats and full length dresses would be returned in with balsawood frames built at the bottom with birthday cake candles on it, essentially hot air balloons, but they would bob along through the air with an eerie glow and were really difficult to judge their distance making them appear other worldly.
After launching them we'd follow them along on our bikes in hysterics watching people run out of their homes pointing into the sky screaming for everyone else to come out of the house to see the "UFO" that they'd seen a week ago that no one believed them about.
I wonder how many people we screwed up for life that to this day can't have normal and successful relationships with anyone because of their rants about how they know for sure that "we've been visited by aliens", especially given the basic nature of people to continually elaborate on thing's over the year's, how many of them 40 year's later have embellished their stories to where they landed and aliens got out that met with them.
As a Kiwi living "Down Under", I have to say how much I enjoyed the intelligence of the discussion between you two, not to mention your evident experience. One problem, for me. I'm now 72, and back when I was 19, in NZ, I definitely saw a "UFO". I won't go further, after all, who the hell would care. But I did see it. Apart from that, thank you to you two men for your service and intelligent discussion!!
Blenheim?
I don’t doubt you saw an airplane you couldn’t identify. Happens to me all the time.
I spent most of my career as a chairborne warrior and Ward's description of how bureaucracies function should be etched in gold and mounted on the wall of every office cubicle.
An O-4 moving to a GS-15 is like getting promoted to an O-6, plus it's very likely he retained his time in service. Just saying.
In 1957 I was an Intercept Control Tech (ICT) Controller and we were involved in a UFO incident that lasted about an hour and a half. During that time w scrambled an F-86D and a lot happened. The most interesting thing was after the mission was over we wewre ordered to not change shifts and stand by for a crypto message. We did and we had to call in a crypto guy. He decoded it and we were ordered to remove all traces of the event. This was 1957 and everything we did was logged in accounting ledger type books. We couldn't erase anything, we had to redo everything leaving out anything to do with the event. We had to burn all FILM, everything. They did the same thing at another site, and Division HQ. That's a lot of pages and books remade. I've always wondered why.
Probably because all our leaders are aliens.
That was my first thought, but I suspect he was hired at a lower rating and worked his way up.
We can postulate all we want about beyond secret advanced experimental physics that our DoD may be testing or experimenting with today and how far in advance they are compared to today's known technologies and physics. But none of that conjecture stands up to scrutiny when put into the context of your 1957. No way could anybody in 1957 be toying with technologies that remain 50 to 100 years beyond what we are capable of in 2023.
@@MoAndAye And... Keep their mouths shut too.... There are no ways that can be
@JazzBuff, Wow. So you're around 85 years old. Amazing you can recall all those details.👊🏼🍻
I was flying a 727 southbound southwest of San Antonio TX bound for Guadalajara MX around 4 am . There was a SW 737 6000 ft above me same direction at my 2 o’clock position. My FO brought to my attention an object passing us at an incredible rate of speed. He asked Houston center if they had a target relative to our position, and they replied no. The SW crew then piped up and confirmed they saw it as well, passing them as I described. More of a sparkling light sequence
asteroid perhaps ?
Possibly . One thing I failed to mention were the lights were a sequence of colors of orange,blue , and white. Could’ve been a satellite @@dennisparks3692
@@dennisparks3692an asteroid would generate a return, I'd suspect anyway.
I can identify with ‘’Sunshine’’. I’m 65 and never been a coffee drinker. Tons of my friends still look like death in the morning even after several cups of coffee. They would ask me how do you get going without coffee? I just always told them ‘’daylight’’. I never got a nickname out of it though. Nice presentation guys.
I don't drink it either. Hate the taste and smell of it, only thing worse is someone else's coffee breath. Anyway, never needed it either. I've always been able to get up and get moving quickly without needing any stimulants.
Funny. I don’t need it. I just like a cup of coffee from time to time. But I am always wide awake, regardless of coffee intake. I am a surgeon, so they wake me up in the middle of the night even with 62😂.
Well, your nickname from now on shall be "Darth Daylight" or Double D if you will. 😂
Cracking episode. Sober and no wasted burner fumes.
The things you don't mention about Grusch is exactly what's actually relevant: he went on medical leave due to PTSD, thus his career swerve. After dealing with his medical issues, he applied for a govt job as the lead investigator on the task force tasked by Congress to look into the UAP thing - his job was precisely to use his security clearance to come up with answers and report to Congress what's going on. The situation you describe of a guy being told by his superiors to take it easy and let them handle it isn't applicable. He didn't whistle-blow because he was working on these matters and got frustrated, he whistle-blew because he and the Congress people probably strategically decided with lawyers that another boring written report would do nothing to bring this to the public awareness and would be soon buried again, and that the better route would be to proceed via the whistle-blower process which would be more sensationalistic, PLUS, would then subject everything Grusch is saying to the additional scrutiny of the inspector general's office, and the whole thing can be packaged as whistle-blowing under violations of the appropriation rules, which then puts it comfortably under the jurisdiction of the Congress since they approve all the funds. It's not surprising that the same Congressman leading this charge was one of the few voices complaining about the fact the Pentagon has never passed an audit and as missing over a billion dollars as of the last one.
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not being accoubtable for billions is a really good reason to come out with ufo information they were hiding originally.
reveal it to get people talking.
and begin to trace where the money is going.
it wont be easy. but we need to know its not being used against the people they should be protecting.
what would you do if you were seeing this stuff and being told to stay quiet? would you hide this? and discredit others?
was that your intention here? or just trying to offer speculation that seems to make sense?
What I find very hard to accept is that a private US contractor would test an advanced/breakthrough tech platform from a black budget project in a military training area in a manner that endangers the safety of US pilots and equipment as well as exposing the platform to individuals not cleared to know about it.
EXACTLY!! Also, the idea that the TicTac knew Fravor's or better yet the US Battle Group's pre-designated waypoint is in any way proof that this could not have been extraterrestrial tech is not only arrogance but LOL!!! If they have the tech to cross the galaxy or the universe, then of course they have the tech to TOY WITH THE US MILITARY by out maneuvering our top pilots in our top aircraft & then appearing where they are supposed to return to literally a second after taking them our pilots to flight school! It damn sure aint the Chinese or the Russians & it most certainly isn't a rouge corporation flexing vs the most powerful military on Earth!
FOLKS NEED TO THINK!!!
Indeed. It was likely just a weather balloon.
why is that hard to believe lol
It's the ideal location. Local, known 'adversary' capabilites, instrumented range, blind test and no live weapons.
You couldn't get a more suitable testing area.
Yeah but people do dumb shit all the time. I also don't believe (if the craft was a secret US thing) that the pilots we're ever in danger. Maybe Lockheed, or Raytheon or whoever makes it used it a mareketing stunt. " Dude, if we fly thing near people who dont KNOW, they will literally assume it's aliens. Thats how good this tech is" - Boom, and then with all this disclosure BS, the US gets to flex it's deception muscles.
I had one land in my front yard. He got out and said " Whatever you do, don't take me to your leader".
I remember David Fravor from that PBS series "Carrier." It was nighttime, the deck was pitching like crazy, and the squadron was having trouble getting their Hornets back on the boat. It was bolter after bolter after bolter. But who tracked the deck up and down perfectly on his approach and snagged the third wire on his first attempt? Fravor.
Yep.
He took Alex Dietrich’s place as tanker b/c she was a nugget. All the ready room was taking bets on whether he’d trap on the first pass. It was a thing of beauty.
@@benjaminperez7328 Then fast forward, and Dietrich was on Fravor's wing when they saw the tic-tac.
This is one of the most sensible and sane discussions on the issue I have heard that doesn't go into barking mad conspiracy nutter territory, thoroughly enjoyed this analysys.
Yup, nothing hidden, no secrets, we know everything, America is the best.
Oh, by the way, have you watched videos by WALK EAST? China seem to be much richer, it’s like another planet of future somewhere.
What is then in your opinion ! Cos it's not ours !
@@GG-kf8ox i tend to roll with what mooch and sunshine think on this one.
@@irongron Keeping your eyes and ears closed? Shut down your brain? Anybody there? Man…
@irongron But they have be seen for 50 years or more 🤔 !
CDR Carroll's description of info flow from squadron IO to CAG IO and up the chain of command is riveting because of the sheer authenticity including mention of paygrades and CYA. When I watch this channel I feel like I am still on active duty.
Yeah . . . and NOTHING changes!
Yup, did 20, and for my personality type those last 5 years were tough. I think anyone who's moved up in ranks in the military of has even worked in different corporations can very well understand the way data flows and the way decisions are made and that was a fantastic description he gave of this specific situation.
Mooch, "Space" Jelinek here. F-4/F-14 RIO (VF-151, 21, 301) My last tour was with Navy TENCAP. Became a SETA for the NRO. Worked R&D with lots of agencies, including NGA. Except for their Flag Military Liaison, I never met one officer that I was impressed with (18 yrs!).
Thanks for sensible discussion on this topic while keeping open minds and not just trashing points of view that differ to your own. Much appreciated! ❤
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the jehovah witness say its demonic lies lies.theres nothing there.
“Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.”
- Carl Sagan
That's the end of my ted talk.
That assume the default position should be "not aliens". Fair enough until all of the mundane explanations are covered and all that is left is the extraordinary. Quite frankly, any explanation for Favor's encounter, aliens or not, is quite extraordinary. A black project that is well beyond our current abilities is extraordinary. To fly said skunkworks craft into a training area and crash their party, is quite extraordinary. To think that China, the nation that JUST learned how to manufacture ballpoint pen, is decades ahead of us in technology is extraordinary. I can go on, but each of the explanations that are left are... extraordinary.
That is the end of my opening statement.
any evidence will do ,,,
Carl, where is the extraordinary evidence for your extraordinary claim?
@@krisspkriss As a radio guy, I don't think they are beyond our current abilities, or even our abilities as far back as the 1950s or (a bit of a stretch) 1940s.
There is nothing impossible about creating ionized patches at a distance; it is just not public knowledge of exactly how it would be done - many thousands of us can imagine the general way of doing it.
Being an effect, ionized patches are not subject to the laws of physics: they can disappear and instantly reappear, motionless, unlimited miles away. In fact, they can just as easily be in any number of places at once, and all disappear in the blink of the eye.
@@krisspkriss Thats not even correct. "Aliens" shouldnt even be a factor until there is any evidence. Even including aliens with no evidence shows a bias.
And no, there is no extraordinary evidence that there even was an object beyond our capabilities to explain. Thats where the logic fails already. At its core, these stories are almost always about sensors being confused and showing things that dont make sense.
The sensor having a failure or being used incorrectly is usually a better explainatoin than to assume "sensor gotta be correct, must be breaking laws of physiscs".
Also the idea that theres stuff beyond our ability to explain physically, but radar/IR can somehow track those things is just whack. Like no, theyre not made to track "impossible" things.
I think David was just as credible as the other two ❤😊
Agreed...and the Intell Community Inspector General office report to congress agreed as well. They pleaded with Congress that the information was Reputable and an Immediate THREAT. The ICIG report is available to view and these are very serrious people who don't simply support conspiracy. There is so much here that he coukd say that deserves investigation to what he wants to but cannot. Grouch had maneuvered the minefield of what he can and cannot divulge with a disabled and convictedness that few could do. He honors his Oath to a Government that has Twrrorized his family and continues daily to make legit threats..as his local Police if these threats are conspiracy?
When people threaten your life for revealing what they are doing what they are doing isn't GOOD. WHEN THEY ARE YOUR GOVERNMENT ITS EVEN MORE SERRIOUS.
All of this is beyond any paygrade I ever had. But I get a kick out of it. Thanks mooch.
Not a Aviator, but really enjoy all the topics here, Thanks Mr. Carroll!
Very welcome
@@WardCarroll Astronaut Gordon Cooper in 1951 witnessed UFOs while in the USAF and film was taken - the Pentagon never returned it. Astronaut Edgar Mitchell confirmed Major David Gruschs testimony of captured Alien craft and bodies being hidden by the USAPs inside the Pentagon when he met with Admiral Tom Wilson JCS in 2002.
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I fell into this subject over 20 years ago after my great-grandmother, grandmother, and great aunt all corroborated the same story: in the 1980s in Illinois, they all heard a loud bass humming noise. Described as similar to a loud guitar amp humming. They were terrified, they ran outside and saw a circular object with lights all around its edge, hovering in one spot for several seconds. It then darted off with instant acceleration. These women were and are very religious, kept to themselves and never thoughts about UFOs or aliens prior to this event. My great aunt had ran into the house to call the police and the lines were dead, confirmed by multiple neighbors to be having the same issue at that time of sighting. People need to grow up, including our politicians and scientists. The same scientists who cannot see a quark are the first to laugh in the face of a UFO witness. It’s time to start looking at this from the angle of revealing a real coverup to a real issue that aviators have been seeing since humans joined the air domain. Cui bono? “Who benefits?”
I think it is very unlikely all UFO experiences are All One Thing.
Mooch's video "The Truth Behind the Super Hornet UFO Encounters" is the best presentation of the prospects for the recent naval encounters.
Except this never happened
Thanks for having Mr. Sinclair on, he nailed the craft defies Newtonian physics. That's something that no one is bragging about or publishing patents on. So that's why the Black Ops angle just doesn't past muster, and the fact that these craft would be violating a training area is a red-flag to continuing that defense.
The perceived movement of the object is simply the camera losing lock. With the plane moving, of course it was going to "move" out of frame because it was no longer being tracked.
Thanks for covering UAPs more seriously. I have watched your slide Ward from the beginning a few years ago “definitely not aliens”, “no way”, similar to the Captains and 0-6s you referred to, to listening to the Navy pilots and discounting the Air Force guy as a conspiracy nut. I can’t wait for the 40 witness stories to come out and to see the slide continue. Grusch will do what it takes. He’s exactly the type of person that didn’t shut up and color at 14 years. He was a GS-15, 0-6 colonel equivalent.
I just dont understand how this guy Mooch can talk trash about David Grusch and say he is going the conspiracy route seriously. David served our country honorably and with distinction. He’s a decorated officer who put his life on the line in Afghanistan
"Zero-six colonel equivalent." LOL. Failquoting his CV.
Steven Greer is not quitting either.
@@Primetimes21 Duke Cunningham was an ace in Vietnam, one of the most decorated fighter pilots of the whole war. Didn't stop him from selling out once he became a Congressman, or from spending almost a decade in jail for his corruption and bribery. Service record doesn't say anything about one's character, or especially how one changes after leaving the service.
Grusch has done nothing but repeat hearsay nonsense
FYI- The chief engineer for the U-2 and SR-71, Kelly Johnson, reported two UFO sightings to project Bluebook in the 1950's. I think he approved groom lake (area-51) for the U-2 secret development.
That's right. He drew a picture of what he saw as well. At the same time some of his guys where in the air and also saw it. He said to someone something to the effect, I now have some very technical people that believe ufos are real.
I was born at Pensacola NAS and now a supply vessel captain on the Gulf. I've been seeing and interacting with these things my whole life.
I would love to hear about your interactions..
I’m very interested in this!
Please don't just leave it at that. Please share your experiences.
LOL! Yeah right. Take your meds popeye.
@briansmith2125 Yeah you're right, nailed it didn't ya there dudly? 😆 Back to your television.
@@christophergreen3538ok so you were at sea and you saw?
When Fravor says it was a friend pushing him to tell his story that lead him to be there he's referring to when he initially went public in 2017, not what actually made him decide to be a part of the hearing.
Fact
Go Sex!
The friend was Jeremy Corbel.
Fantastic work guys. This was the best content on this subject I’ve seen. Keep up the good work!
"Sunshine" is such a cool call sign. I don't regret choosing army infantry, but I do/did envy pilots their call signs.
This is one hell of a great channel. The topic is mind bending when we try and look at it objectively. Well done.
This was a great episode, very interesting and the most sensible discussion on this topic i have heard this far.
Great conversation, and logical. Always appreciate the caliber of guests on the channel.
This was the best video so far anywhere on the subject.
Commander, excellent. You are shedding a lot of light on the subject!!
If this is "Domestic", I can't wait to see the changes it will bring to the Blue Angles flight demonstrations.
You could get whiplash watching that demo.
You are discounting the very real possibility that we have developed the technology to create the illusion of these UAPs by projecting images of the phenomena into the instruments detecting them. If you believe that UAPs can shut down instrumentation, how hard is it to believe they can control them and manipulate them. I am far from convinced that those instrument readings are actually capturing anything that is really there. Easier to believe that the quantum physics theory of a 2D life form intruding into our 3D world.
That is not funny.
@@fgb3126 It wasn't meant to be.
Ward, you crack me up.
Mooch, VMT for providing some critical thinking on this subject. BZ.
First. I don't think you're in any way trying to turn this channel into a UFO channel and anyone who says so has obviously not watched enough of your. Channel.
Second. Thanks for providing a cogent discussion on what we know about UAP as well as what we don't.
Third. Keep up the good work providing me insight into not only naval aviation but all that falls under the umbrella of your topic coverage thus far.
I'm an OMF like you. I've been around the block a time or two myself. I've worn the uniform (mine was green, served as a physician on the ground during Desert Storm) but I appreciate all that you produce and show.
Thanks
Thank you.
I think it is entirely appropriate for the channel. It is not what is in the sky that is bringing us here, but what is on the ground in Washington and other locations.
I'm glad the NAVY has brought this subject up with proof, because the USAF, in the 70s and 80s, made every encounter I had, with photos, a major classified event. The USAF brass orders statements, and orders were, "all cameras malfunctioned", "this never happened", and "it's classified", along with "don't say anything about it".
Which proof? There is no proof.
@@nietkees6906UFO proof: "I swear I saw a guy say a thing once back in the 1980's."
Anecdotal nonsense.
When the evidence was continuously scrubbed then of course it just leaves anecdotes. But the congressional testimony does have evidence, and everyone has seen it. To most people it just looks like night vision blurry tracking of something, but to trained professionals it’s extraordinary. Also, the films we have seen aren’t the whole picture (literally) since the pilots mention higher resolution video that was used in the debriefing immediately after the events, but I guess that ‘doesn’t exist’ by your logic.
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"since the pilots mention higher resolution video"
Specify.
"to trained professionals it’s extraordinary."
Specify
"I guess that ‘doesn’t exist’ by your logic."
It doesn't exist for the purposes of this discussion and investigation because there is nothing but claims of it. It's no different than their original claims.
I’ve already heard from former fleet folks, now defense contractors, “I know what this is, but can’t talk about it”.
That's funny because I don't know what it is but I can talk about.
@@UFO-Ark Not knowing is the best reason to be able to talk about it.
One thing I learned very early on in the military…Don’t draw attention yourself outside of the norm…
excellent video...thanks for having a sane, thoughtful, open-minded conversation on a topic all too easily sensationalized.
7:09am Mooch, love the Double Anchors in the background!
Back in the 1980's I was reading IRAD reports from defense companies. They were issued to about 50 DoD and Service addressees in hard-copy.
This was a great episode. Extremely informative and sensible! Thanks very much guys!
You have to wonder how optical illusions like mirages are excluded from these reports?
Since childhood aviation enthusiast, cold war era US Army ADA NCO, retired A&P, and FAA Sport Pilot here. I live on edge of a MOA for USAF F15 base. I have witnessed 2 "UFO" sightings at low altitude above my rural home. One while deer hunting high in a treestand in low pre-dawn light in 1996, and more recently spring 2002 in late afternoon.
Im NOT blind, crazy, or ignorant of human designed aircraft visial profiles and flight characteristics. On the 2 sightings I had, I saw 2 perfect spheres,(of white light) flying in tight formation at less than 1000ft...moving slowly but with a purposely chosen heading, exiting the boundry of the MOA.
Crazy thing is...on the last encounter, deemingly at the gery moment that I (thought in my mind); "hey...theses things are not human!"...they immediately stopped in mid air, and seamlessly moved 90 degrees, course change over trees out of my sightline.
It is encouraging to see and hear old military aviation pros like you & "Sunshine" discuss and educate further, we others out here, that "just know that we know", what we saw!
Rock On gents & TYVM.🤘😎🏁
I like that guy, Mooch! Very very bright, obviously, and able to communicate some very complex situations. Great segment.
This is a great video. Thanks for the deep dive into this intriguing topic, and for the balance of fact-based objectivity and open-minded consideration of the technologies at play.
I have just one nit to pick. Mooch says, if these objects were foreign, we'd know about them. Then he adds that they're not showing up in commercial airspace. Both of these statements ignore the most recent developments in the 'Chinese spy balloon' events that ended with NORAD finding several object that had been transiting North American airspace undetected. We didn't see them because we weren't looking for them. When they tweaked the filters, several UAP popped up on radar and were shot down. We still don't know what those objects were or who sent them.
But again, on the whole, this is one of the most informative videos I've seen on the UAP topic to date. Thanks so much for putting this together.!
Shout out for mentioning the darpa stuff at the end there
Tks for that bud.
Some very interesting points and thoughts to ponder and discussion.
Great interview, Mooch
Enjoyed Sunshine when he was co-host on Fighter Pilot Pod
I really love your content. I will recommend this to everyone- Best of luck, Sir!
Awesome awesome awesome episode. Thank you very much gentleman.
Very happy I found this channel. I’m an old ADJ from VF-41 (1969-1970) and VT-4 (1967-1969). Love the videos, and love the sensible talk about the UFOs.
Also, especially will watch all the flight videos. I became a private pilot after the NAVY, because I was in awe of the Navy pilots (of course I only flew Cessna :)), and grew to love aviation. I worked on F4 Phantoms (yeah, I’m old and retired now :)).
Amazing. Really enjoyed this report. 👍🏻
Really enjoy your channel, Mooch. I can’t tell you exactly what it was, or wasn’t, but my family and I saw a silent craft that that moved outside the laws of physics as we know them. It glowed blue and paralleled our car as we drove back from relatives in West Tennessee. I’ll be 60 in a few weeks and this happened in the late sixties or early seventies. Thanks for covering this subject and thanks for your service!
720. X 230 silent Black triangle flew low over me parked in a convertible in Highland Park NJ ! of all places for 15 seconds on october at 9PM ,Dead Silent ,four round whiteish lights looked dirty on the belly .Never had the hair on my neck stand up before or since and stood afraid to move like a caveman the whole time since. 1964 .See Hudson Valley triangles in the 70's sound the same look craft seen by Thousands then.Others saw the one I saw same time. I was hoping to find out in my lifetime what the cluck it was.
FOO fighters have been around since B-17 missions, in WWII.
And performing on stage since 1996 😂
Foo Fighters awesome band. 90's had some good music. Arrrrrrr, Space Force for a good reason, there be aliens about, matey.
Great to see Sunshine back! Missed him from FPP. Great video Mooch
Thought I also recognized him
Great discussion. Thanks for sharing 👍
Very good discussion. Thank you!
Wow, impressive aviation background, thank you for your service. 🇺🇸
As a PAO/intel/defense contractor spanning several eras I really loved the EXCELLENT discussion and it rng many bells on my career path. Thanks guys, wish you were here to share the drink. Better yet if we could do it at Trader Jon's during Festival Week. Place my bet on Door #3
Loved the show! BTW...your garage motif in the background is top shelf!
CDR Caroll, Thankyou for an interesting ray of Sunshine. Content and plausability combined with known physics in an intellectually appealing format.
Always enjoy the available truth.
It was not an US asset. You can't put this tic tac into the square box of understanding that most have. Their is something that the US Govt does not want to talk about, due to they have NO CONTROL over it, and USA is pretty much helpless to do any about it. SO their tactic is to deny and to ignore and to make stigma for those who are valid observers of this phenomenon. Their are valid observers who have seen things that cannot be yet are. They exist, what are they, well they are not us, and after that much is just supposition.
I think the most likely explanation for these particular sightings is that they are US "assets." It makes perfect sense if they are not material, but rather phenomena induced in the atmosphere.
@@flagmichael I disagree per Fravor's Testimony and the Physics involved. I worked with pilots in the USAF for 25 years and they are a very dedicated bunch of people who are HIGHLY trained. They have seen some things that should not exist, yet do. Their testimony is valid. More than mine or yours. We are not that trained to that degree in observation of somethings.
The Fire Control Chief on the Princeton said these "things were dropping in from above the Aegis ceiling which means they were not transitting into the air space horizontally they were coming in from above and there were alot of them not just one. If you lose an aircraft because of one of these "UAP's" and hopefully recover both wreckage sites, I think it will then get the required attention.
"They" will just throw cheap white paint on it all.
Some small group already knows all about them .
It's called a training accident...never what it was.
Thank you for such an informative and level headed discussion.
So the testimony of the pilots before Congress was nonsense? You’re ridiculous.
Sorry, late to the party. This was the King of interviews. Sharing this around with all my UFO friends to calm them down. Great, great interview‼️ Party on.
The way these guys analyze and discuss this topic is exactly the approach the topic needs. Focus on the data. No nonsense. These are the weaknesses, these are areas for improvement. People of integrity with an impressive critical thinking framework. Outstanding.
Great episode, loved Sunshines explanations as he's so detailed.
Very interesting, thank you both!
Excellent stuff! Thanks Mooch.
Again my fathers squadron was asked to give chase in Texes in 1956, he described 3 of them like the tic-tac craft made 90 degrees turns over 900 knots the accelerated up too 5000+ in an instant..
That squares completely with the Navy's experiences. I don't think they are material objects.
@@flagmichael my father told me on his deathbed, he was ordered not to say anything, the were filmed in high detail and all services were involved. No doubt they were real father said he was at VNE speed, described exactly what fabor seen and the exact same characteristics, note they formed the mj12 organization right after the 1947 incident. Both Shepard and Lovell were very good friends with my father, the had seen same and more. We did not have the technology back in 1956 to have the same objects that were in the flir, the 1956 incident in Texas was also well documented.
my father was a radar site commander in 1956 , he was also a pilot and WW2 navigator. He told me one night a scope dope called him over to look at something. The radar operator was tracking an object at 17,000 miles an hour. I forget the altitude but it was very high and they had it on the height finder radar as well. This was in Japan. The object came from the NE and maneuvered around
Tokyo in a half figure eight and departed to the NW , another radar then picked it up and called my dad as it come from his sector. The other site said it continued on a straight course through that sector and left radar heading towards the Soviet Union. So it was on like 6 radars total. My dad said they all agreed to not report it.
@@ballomni "note they formed the mj12 organization right after the 1947 incident"
Is there any actual proof that Majestic 12 ever really existed?
Except none of that ever happened
Good stuff. I'd make a distinction between "breaking the laws of Newtonian physics" and appearing to do so. One would have to have a much better understanding of the object in question (such as its mass and method of propulsion) to determine if it falls outside the limits of Classical Mechanics.
agreed.
and it's quite well known that we have lots of things that "seem" to violate newtonian physics, if we don't know what they are.
How can a helicopter just suddenly move sideways?
Anything beyond our understanding becomes magical and causes all kinds of weird explanations.
That is, unless, and until, Newtonian physics fail to explain everything. There are massive portions of the universe we simply don’t understand. In many ways we could simply be a caveman seeing an airplane for the first time. The hubris to believe what we know of time & space, and many other topics, is the sum of all knowing is our single largest failure as humans. But then hubris & violence are really the only things we excel at.
@@c1ph3rpunk "There are massive portions of the universe we simply don’t understand"
true enough, but not relevant to the present discussion.
eg "what causes gravity"
"what happened BEFORE the big bang"
"what happens at extremely long length scales"
all unknown, but not applicable to the present situation
@@bitmaster6542 "Anything beyond our understanding becomes magical"
not to rational people
Good stuff. Definitely got my brain thinking.
I was the white shirt AM that recovered the E2-C on the Nimitz in Nov-04’. I was the first person to see the aircrews faces as they exited w/o saying a word.
I love this channel. Ward , I am deeply appreciative that you and your guests, but mostly you, take great patience with your audience, without condescension, in bringing subject matter to a diverse group. Unlike most of your followers, I am neither a pilot, nor a technical guy. I am a former MP, turned Forest Service Special Agent. Keep doing what you do. Your comments on the bureaucracy of intelligence reporting is identical to the problems of police intelligence sharing. The description of a USN Captain not wanting to be known as "The UAP Guy" was especially spot on
Thanks, James! Appreciate the comment.
It was Dave Grusch's mandate to investigate this issue. He found the evidence. He didn't give a shit if they liked it or not. He did his job.
Great episode, Mooch!
Great discussion. Thank you
Sunshine was one of the original hosts of The Fighter Pilot Podcast
He was also piloting the F 18 in TG:M scene when Mav returns to TOPGUN and races down the taxiway on his rice rocket.
Excellent video, very informative. I was a field investigator for MUFON back in the 90s. The people who I interacted with in that organization were married to the extraterrestrial theory, which didn’t seem very plausible to me. During that time, I became a Christian, and started paying attention to some of the ideas of people like Walter Martin and Chuck Missler, who believed that the UAPs were of a spiritual nature, and therefore cross-dimensional. That explanation is the one that makes the most sense to me. They do seem to be here to mess with our heads, which would also fit that definition.
And .... you are nuts
This was an AWESOME & INTRIGUING interview !
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Great episode. Thank you.
Thank you for this very detailed and critical analysis. Apart from just being happy to listen to Brian talk again (been a huge fan of "Sunshine's" ever since he was co-host of the Fighter Pilot Podcast!), you guys actually managed to open up an informed and professional meta-debate about whom and what we might actually be dealing with here in terms of the current testimonies. Hat's off to you, gentlemen.
I've always been under the opinion that these UAP's are part of some Super Black program. The UAP's are tested in known military practice ranges, and the program managers get feedback on their vehicles.
Absolutely. Once you've tested and developed a tech. and are in final stages you test it's capabilities as well as your own against it. It's the closest to an actual live fire/combat/encounter your going to get.
Whether it's ioning plasma lasers or drone aircraft etc. There are always going to be a million and one details to work out.
@@dananorth895 But how often does that occur ... without some fore knowledge? I expect briefings of experimental crafts would include a "this is what you're up against" kind of shtick. But what do I know?
@@00SEVEN28 I'm sure exercises would include no heads-up to crews and just instructions to Command.
Nice, Mooch. Excellent headline! As soon as he held up that piece of paper I was like “yep, nailed it.” Solved.
Great interview.
I saw a video on YT called "pitching decks" and Commander Fravor was featured in the video, which was filmed long before the tic tac incident. He volunteered to take a young woman pilots place, she had to go up and tank because so many were bolting on this deck that was moving up and down about 30 feet. He is totally legite and I believe everything he says.
You also need to include that our minds are always trying to adapt what is perceived into something that is real. That leads to it discarding or dropping details that don't fit into its developing perception.
Best discussion yet of this fascinating topic. Thanks!!
Excellent interview.
BZ Mooch another great video and interview with Sunshine.
Thanks for the support!
This was a great video. Mooch’s pov was great to hear. I’m not into what Grusch is exclaiming but I always watch Fravors interviews because he has actually seen one these objects and interacted with them.
Dave Grusch doesn’t have the disposition of an aviator. Different kind of cat. Probably why his career followed the path that it has. As far as the testimony he has brought into the light, it should be considered to be not dissimilar from an iceberg, the majority of what he knows and testified to was given out of the public’s view. No one in his right mind is going to throw et’s into the mix, under oath, in front of a congressional oversight committee and the world at large. The smartest position to take here is to realize that you know little more than nothing in comparison to what Grusch is privy to. It’s going to be quite the moment when everyone finds out how ignorant they behaved. No one remembers that the earth was flat for a minute. Etc. it’s that whole ass.u.m.e. deal
Ok, I don't know if anyone else "encountered" this but just as Mooch was talking about aliens at the 38.09 mark and ad for Alienware games system started playing :-)
Thank you for this analysis
A very sensible overview of these events. I'm a logical person, but am interested in what exactly we've logged, they seem like probes, extreme high tech observation devices. Military personnel are very reliable people, especially when using available tracking systems, these are real, not fanciful conclusions !
When you were talking about overall analysis, my immediate thought was that there’s only one way to gather enough information to do that and that’s with some kind of data base. There would have to be common terminology and I’d hate to be the person who tried to get the Navy, Marine Corps, Air Force, Army and airline pilots to agree on common terminology. And you’d need a notes field where pilots could record things that didn’t fit the agreed on terminology. Then you’d need someone to analyze the notes to see whether there are descriptions that come up often enough to add a new term. And which 3-letter organization is responsible for this data base? I’ve maintained databases for CNA but I’m not raisin’ my hand for this one!
Geez, I parked my junk car real close to his GT350 clone because I was flirting. That's why you got mad - I had an intellect crush on your man.
My guess (not well-informed) is it would be DARPA's baby.
The carer alot of aviation guys dream of and he's still a fairly young man. Thank you for your service Sir. 🇺🇸 Great conversation. New sub.
Great show. Thank you
I don't know if anything was solved during this conversation but it is always nice to hear people with a relevant background discuss the subject. I know that there are always someone who will disagree but for most of us I think that until something is proven, and without a doubt, it remains a theory or even a belief very much like religion for instance. Personally I agree with this videos conclusion that it is either domestic or foreign advanced technology testing, and that alien interreference, although a theoretical possibility, is probably still just fantasy even if it is an exciting idea.