Exposing NBA Legends Hating On Michael Jordan
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In this video nba legends talk bad about Michael Jordan
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Pippen exposed his Ego when he had a temper trantrum over Kukoc getting the final shot against The Knicks in ‘94. Without Jordan he wouldn’t have 6 Rings. He needs to grow up.
It's a shame that Scottie Pippen has made such a fool of himself
No doubt. And what happened for 2 years after Jordan retired the first time, and Pippen was given the Bulls? He didn't win. And I remember the announcers saying he couldn't win rings without Jordan. Then of course Jordan came back and they won another 3peat. If Pippen had not been on the Bulls, Jordan would still have 6. Pippen did well, but he only contributed. He never lead anything, He needs to hush up.
I've been saying this for years dude, yes Pippen was good, but in all honesty, Jordan could have taken any mid level player (like Pippen was) and as long as he was able to work Jordan's system MJ would have made a top 75 all time player like he did with Pippen.
Pippen wasn't special, he was just lucky to play with MJ. All the old heads like me that saw how MJ groomed pippen can tell you the same thing@@luckyluc25
@@luckyluc25 I don't think Jordan would have 6 without Pippen.
@@mojebi3804 I agree. What if Jordan had Olajuwan instead of Pippen? Or what if strangely enough Isaiah went t o the Bulls instead of Pippen? My point is Jordan needed a decent player to be his second, really didn't matter who it was because no one is on his level. At least 10 players from then could have done the same as Pippen. Drexler? Imagine if Magic had not gotten sick, and went to the 90's Bulls instead of Pippen.
The sad part is that he did it for no reason. No one watched The Last Dance and came away thinking Scottie was an asshole. The doc made an effort to show his in a sympathetic light and help you understand why he made some of the choices he did.
I think they don’t hate jordan. They’re more so jealous that he was immortalize and regarded by the majority as the goat to the point we look at him as a mythical being. Like they didnt expect 20 plus yrs later that he’s still being talked about.
Good explanation.
the billions
Can kind of understand why Isaiah is bitter. That Dream Team snub was huge: as someone who grew up in the early 90's I saw every guy who was on the Dream Team as the best of that era and anyone who wasn't as a level below. In reality Isaiah absolutely should have been on that. THAT BEING SAID he should just drop it. Oddly enough Bill Lambier handles all the shit he gets way better: he just doesn't give a fuck and makes no appologies, no rationalizations.
I don't think MJ is ever going to forgive Pippen after the comments about his dad.
Pippin' be trippin'
Isaiah used to say MJ was the GOAT. Clyde and his generation - they usually pick their generation as GOATS. I’ve been an NBA fan since 1979, 45 years. There were better athletes, better this or that. But no one comes close to MJ and the fear he put in his opponents hearts
IF you have been watching the NBA since 1979 then you KNOW that Larry Bird is the GOAT. Jordan couldnt lift a shit team the way Bird Did, He couldnt beat a semi prime Bird OR an old crippled Bird (with or without his legendary Celtic team) . He actually won very little against Bird with his own GOAT team He didnt have 1 single 50/40/90 season. yet is supposed to be this great scorer, and won NOTHING until Bird had retired , Kareem had retired and Magic was old
Did you ever hear of Wilt Chamberlain? You know the real actual GOAT
@@sunfiremotleys9060 The guy who averaged 30 points in regular season and 18 points in the finals ? the guy who averaged 50 in regular season in 1962, even scored 100 in a game that year and as soon as playoffs start he averages 35 points a game ? The guy who shot 50% free throws in regular season and 37% in the finals ? that guy who has 2 rings ? that guy is the GOAT ? the guy who started his career in a segregated league with only 20% black players and "volunteered" to reduce his scoring as soon as it was at least 50% black athletes ? sure if you say so...he certainly ain´t my GOAT
@@julianwilcox399 I love Bird. To me he is the 3rd best ever behind MJ and Kareem but your take is very biased.
doesn´t jordan have highest average regular season and even higher in finals ? didn´t he win 10 scoring titles ? a GUARD is the all time points per game leader and he shot 50% from the field ?!?! And you struggle to call him best scorer ever ?
Bird had FIVE HoF players on his team. FIVE ! Jordan had zero when they met in the playoffs early on. Nobody. 2nd best scorer MJ had for 6 rings was Pippen who is a 16.1 ppg scorer.
Magic and Michael are 3 years apart in age and you call him old , LOL. Bird is indeed 6 years older but MJ didn´t actually beat him because he faced the back2back champion Pistons (with a starting 5 of all under 31 years) and swept them to finally advance.
If your old age argument is true, how come nobody beat Jordan and the late 90s Bulls are to this day the oldest championship team in NBA history.
Jordan has more MVPs, more rings, more defensive 1st team selections (tied for first all time), more steals per game, more blocks per game, won DPOY, unlike Bird he was FMVP for each title, MJ also had much lower rated teammates. Jordan even has slightly higher FG% than 6.10 Bird and he was CLEARLY the better defender.
This pains me to even type because I LOVE Bird. And yes, he had a very short career and I can even see an argument to be made that he could be in the GOAT convo if he didn´t have injuries but then we could also say that Jordan has 8 rings if his dad didn´t get murdered and he played baseball.
I LOVE Bird but he ain´t Jordan. If you let me pick my perfect starting 5 all time, I would go with:
Magic
Jordan
Bird
Olajuwon
Kareem
So let´s just agree that MJ is the best SG ever and Bird is the best SF ever and be cool.
@thedudeunchained7583 sure cherry pick to what you want to fit your narrative. You're right the guy who hold more records then everyone else combined. The best scorer, rebounder and shot blocker the world has and will ever see. The guy who the made a dozen new rules and rule changes to make less dominant. And you do know wilt missed his 2nd free throw on porpoise to get the rebound and dunk it for much of his career, til they chamges the rule. Yeah why would he be the goat smfh 🤦
And unless you're arguing bill russell is the goat rings mean nothing. Teams win rings not players
MJ was the Michael Jordan of all Michael Jordans
And he also was the Michael Jordan of all MJ's (Magic Jonson, Michael Jackson, Michael B. Jordan, etc.)
Michael Jordan was the Wayne Gretzky of basketball.
@@rickbateman2401more like wayne gretzky was the michael jordan of hockey
@@jioreyes5838 no it’s not. Gretzky had far more impact as an individual player in a team sport than Jordan did. Jordan took basketball international but hockey was already very popular in Europe and the former Soviet block, so Gretzky doesn’t get that notoriety but his impact on the game an it’s records is much greater than Jordan’s.
@@rickbateman2401 not even close. Not only was jordan better at his sport but Basketball is way more popular than hockey even to this day cus of michael jordan. Hmu when you see everyone in the streets wearing gretkys shoes. You sound like maybe a hockey fan
Isiah is a punk. Pippen is a punk who rode Jordan’s coattails.
No Pip, No chips
@ryanhill6953 So he needed another player to win at a team sport? Wow, that's mind-blowing.
Absolutely! 💯👍👍👍
I disagree.
Isiah, most definitely. Always has been, always will be. But I can't bring myself to call Scottie a punk. He's been hurt and had to deal with tragedy and he's lashing out, as people so often do.
Isaiah forgot he and his team had to come up with a whole defensive scheme to stop Jordan
He acts like the Bulls getting swept by the Celtics was such a horrible embarrassment to MJ. Does he forget the Bulls swept the Pistons a few years later?
And a very nasty scheme it was.
Media hype. Every team has schemes for other team's top players whether its Kareem, Bird, Magic etc. Nothing new or special.
Conveniently forgot. Still an ass after all these years.
Couldn't come up with a plan to stop Kareem though, his skyhook was just impossible to defend lol.. ALTHOUGH they still should have won the title in '88... They had it in their grasp but I truly believe they were robbed....whether by mistake/accident or otherwise..
I 100% agree with you! Especially that Scottie Pippen take was terrible!
The impetus for the goat is being the best player on the championship team. Jordan’s 6 championships and 6 finals MVPs solidify that. The winningest or the most stats-no. Those are not what people watch basketball for. They watch it for the dramatic endings which Jordan was the greatest at.
I'm assuming you're too young to have ever heard of Bill Russell. You should look him up. He actually has the most titles of any NBA player. Ever.
BTW, there's 9 players with more than 6 titles. Not arguing with you, just stating the facts.
@@Harerazer
“He wrote, The winningesr or most stats-no.”
@@deniseleppanen9016 Yeah...but Jordan fans tend to move the goalposts as it fits them. To say 6 championships and 6 MVPs then add it's not about wins or stats, but didn't you just mention wins and stats? GOAT has to have a set group of criteria. You can't change the definitives just to win the argument and honestly, that's how Mike fans argue.
Bird, Magic and MJ is my GOAT three on three team. Add any of the great centers and forwards and it would be unbeatable five on five.
Agreed. My additions are Duncan and Kareem.
Reverse it. Wilt as center and Russell at power forward and then take any 3 players. Unbeatable.
Give me Russell at C and Magic at PG and any all time great PF, SF, SG will do. I'll have the greatest 5 on 5 defensive anchor ever with the greatest 5 on 5 offensive facilitator ever. Both players increase the optimization of others without need of high shots or usage. Both are clutch and have great leadership that goes beyond what raw stats show.
With Russell and Magic we are talking players who won the equivalent of 11 gold and 1 silver in 13 years and 5 gold and 4 silver in 12 years and outside of their rookie years they were the main impactor on their teams. People will say they had great teammates and coaches, but Russell still managed to win 2 chips without coach Red and multiple without Cousy. Magic lead a team to the finals without coach Riley and without Kareem.
@@nocturne311 I like that team.
@@EddieJames9999 Love Russell, I agree. Magic is my favorite PG, but not a great PG defender and Jordan because of his defense would be the best choice along side Magic and then Bird in the Small F, his off ball defense/rebounding is fantastic. I like Hakeem or Duncan as power forward. What you think?
5:51 Michael had Dean Smith on his side 👍🏿
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What is it with men 50+ yrs of age, coming out and disrespecting each other, talking about each other as if they are going to take it to the streets. Jordan is doing the right thing by staying to himself and living rent free in every haters head.
Mike knows the truth that's why hiding being quiet he start talking and will be even more exposed..
Loved the way you "expose those guys ...in a respectful way."
You're all class, Sean.
Love your channel and your attitude. You really love basketball for the art and the competitiveness of it.
That's why I'm subscribed.
If you were a Christian, I think you would behave more like one should than most do.
People forget that his coaches before phil told him to score alot, that was the teams game plan until they implemented the triangle and got his teammates to share the offensive load.
I mean Jordan was a sg, the role of the sg is to be the team’s first option for scoring and they needed to defend as well, two things Jordan excelled in
@@suntansuperman26 sure but not at the scale that jordan did it at. Its harder for guards to succeed as a superstar in the league than bigs due to multiple factors and that was especially true when jordan played, not sure what point youre trying to make
@@suntansuperman26the leading scorers on nba teams are not always a shooting guard
@@jioreyes5838 The point I was making was calling Jordan a ball hog makes no sense when his role on the team is to score. Obviously the team’s best player is going to be the primary scorer but traditionally the role of the sg is to score. Jordan was a pure sg
@@suntansuperman26 thought you were tryna downplay jordans offensive success
I really like watching ur videos cause they're informative and there is no click bait involved it's just straight up facts and that's hard to come by now days
Scottie and Isaiah both on drugs
And Scottie bitter cause MJ son is knocking the back out of Scottie's ex😂😂😂
Jordan wasn't perfect, but he is closest we've seen to it.
Great Video! Been enjoying watching your stuff!
You should do a "Forgotten in Time" series.
My candidate would be "Gus Williams" (The Wizard) who led Seattle to the Championship.
Gary Payton will always be known as Seattle's 'best' point guard but Gus Williams was pretty fun to watch.
You're always on point SD! I stand with you on your assessments!
Same here. Sean accurately brought facts. Scottie and Isiah just whining sour grapes.
Great video, Sean! Keep it up!
Michael Jordan The Goat 🐐
Great video as always. Fix the typo in the title though, Sean! 😅
Because in the 80s they were talking MJ the greatest already but he hadn’t won nothing yet
I think Prime Larry Bird called him God disguised as a basketball player, before he even won 1 of his 6 rings
Look at ALL the highlights and ALL the records. Its not even close. NOBODY ELSE has done most of that.
You must not have watched any 80's ball cause I remember Jordan personally destroying teams despite the losses. Especially the 87-88 season where he averaged 35.1ppg, got MVP, the scoring title, Dunk champ, and DPOTY. Which no had ever done before or since. And is still considered by many to be the mot dominant season of any player to ever play basketball. If he had gotten a ring that year, it would be the most dominant. And he averaged 37.1ppg the season before, in his 3rd season. plus the scoring title. He just needed better players around him to get those rings. It is still a team game ya know.
There was a SNL skit with the Super Fans, either George Went or Robert Smigel called MJ The GOAT before they beat the Lakers. You could take that as a joke that was also very true.
Yea but they were also sayin a guy who scored that much couldn't win a title.
I was in my teens when Jordan was a one man show on the Bulls. If I saw the Bulls were playing on TV I would drop what I was doing to watch. You never knew what MJ was going to pull off next. Pippen and Isiah are just freaking nuts.
Isaiah never mentions who Jordan had on those Bulls teams in the 80s when he wasn't successful yet. Guys like Dave Corzine, Kyle Macy, Gene Banks...players none of you have ever even heard of because they were no good. Once he got Grant and Pippen they started beating the shit out of everybody and swept Isaiah and his punk Pistons off the court and sent them packing. MJ stuck with his team until they built talent around him unlike Lefraud and the rest in the NBA who go skipping around to teams left and right.
I was watching those games back in the 80's and agree 100% with your critique of that time period, he had to do what he had to do to win.
Nicely done commentary!!
Being 6-0 and be called a loser while a 3.5-9.5 is being called the GOAT and a winner is all you need to know about our world right now
Isaiah Thomas had his bouts with be a loser.as well...and hated on Adrian dantly...
I rewtached recently late 80'Bulls playoffs games vs Celtics, Pistons, Cavs. The Bulls had Oakley, Hodges, Cartright, Paxson, and then young Pippen and Grant. But it wasn't enough.
Jordan often tried to make a lot of assists and his teamates were often unable to finish th job. So he was forced to take a lot of shots even some bad, because even with those, he was more efficient than the rest of the team.
Despite what Pippen said about becoming a team and starting to win, The Bulls started to win with : Phil Jackson as headcoach, mastering triangle offense and bodybuilding.
You can see Mr. Thomas’ envy for MJ coming out of his skin
Love the long list of records that Jordan has
MJ GREATEST OF ALL TIME 💯💪🏀🏀🐂🐂🐂🐂
Appreciate the well rounded view of Jordan. Excellent insights into his 80's and 90's team differences that required different approaches.
I really can't believe that Scottie Pippen said that MJ was a horrible player now we can say that MJ didn't trust his teammates but to call him a horrible player is sum hatin to the greatest degree on Scottie Pippen part
Zeke and his no handshake walk-off after being beat.
Jealousy is a hell of a drug.
And thanks fo keeping it 💯 all the time
1st off you have to fix the title. 2nd I agree with everything you said here. The sweep by that Celtics squad was really close to a given. That squad was so stacked and was really the Celtics against Michael Jordan. And no words ever need to be spoken about Scotty Pippen. Scotty has demolished any sort of relevance with his off the wall chatter and hatred of Jordan. 👍🏼👍🏼
Isiah's and Pippen's problem is that they flip-flopped for obvious personal reasons (Last Dance, Isiah learning later why he wasn't on the Dream Team). I watched a tv interview of Isiah in the 90s where he said Jordan was the greatest and he talked about Jordan with such awe and wonder in his voice and eyes. Pippen has been on ESPN calling MJ the GOAT in the MJ vs LeBron debate while T Mac sips his mug like Kermit.
When Charles Oakley is the second best player on your team, you ain't gonna win much
Wilt fits what Walt said!
8:00 📝
Versatility Index, which is invented by John Hollinger, is a metric that measures a player’s ability to produce in more than one statistic. The metric uses points, assists, and rebounds. The average player will score around a five on the index, while top players score above 10.”
I'm pretty sure Isiah Thomas retired with his tail between his wondering why no one compared him to MJ
Ever since the last dance Isiah thomas has been salty. All you have to do is go back and watch the games when zeek was guest commenting and all he did was praise MJ and say how goated MJ is.
Michael Jordan is the most decorated player in the NBA.
Isiah, Scotty, Clyde, and Gilbert... You forgot John Salley, Dr. J, Lambier, and Kareem. All the HATERS in the house say HOOOOOOOO!!!!!
You could add a lot more former players to your list. What makes them haters because they know their was better players? Who do they consider the best?
They hated MJ He was not a graceful winner He never let them forget he beat them
Actually John Salley, admitted he hated on Jordan on purpose. He admitted that Jordan is the goat: czcams.com/video/4k_KeEPQgTY/video.html&ab_channel=KJRawX
That relationship is done forever
Michael Jordan is the GOAT, period.
Lol Scottie. "MJ was all 1v1."
MJ: has a higher career apg average than Scottie.
He never lost in the finals 😅
7:57 ☝🏿 One of a collection but still not 1st on list when only considering his contemporaries.
They just jealous 😅 Mike still has lots of fans after retired and people still talk about his legacy till now 😅
How can you call someone who has won 2 3peats and has never gone to a game 7 in the finals a loser? 😂😂😂
So exhausted with all this NBA "who's the goat" crap. ESPN beats the subject to death. CZcams beats it to death.. Clearly this topic continues to drive lots of clicks and ratings. The fact that Jordan is talked about so much 20 plus years since he last played in the NBA is mind blowing to me and probably him too. We all saw the attention Jordan drew at the 75th celebration a few years back. Even the other hall of fame retired players were in awe of him. You rarely see Jordan or Bird interviewed these days. I think they did their talking on the court back in the day. They don't have the ego need to try to stay in the limelight.
Magic Johnson and a lot of the big name players from the 80's and 90's are on every podcast or TV show they can find. Clearly these old players still crave attention.
My answer to Isaiah is, as great as an individual player Mike was in his early Bulls years, he lost or should I say his team lost because basketball is A TEAM GAME. HIS TEAM LOST BECAUSE THE GREAT PLAYERS HE PLAYED AGAINST HAVE GREATER HELP OR ENOUGH HELP THAN HE HAD.
BUT, individually MJ did what he could and performed. That's what they cannot take away from him.
“Looser”?!😮
Pippen can say that Jordan with not win any championship without him and that will be a good stament but saying that Jordan was a bad player in any time that he played makes no sense.
Salty old men, that's all I heard 🤦🏽♂️
You were dead on with the reasoning behind the nonsense. And Yes the Celtics use to bounce the pistons the same way until they finally got by the aging Celtics roster, bad back Larry. Pistons beat them as health caught up with the Celtics. Mike learned to beat them and beat them convincingly and it was over for the Pistons.
That Gilbert stuff.... wow, what a fool! I wouldn't be surprised to hear him claim himself as the goat. His wires are crossed!
Michael's very first game in his rookie year against the showtime Lakers with Kareem and all of them - the Bulls won.
Be loser is a fundamental part to be winner
Zeke ain’t never forgiven MJ for keeping him off the dream team, Scottie needs to be thanking MJ everyday. Without MJ Scottie would’ve been just another player. Thanks to MJ Scottie has 6rings and is one of the NBAs top 75. Frazier??? What did he ever do? Don’t recall anyone calling him the black Jesus. He’s just pissed cause Jordan beat him like he owned him
How many players have 3 peats? How many have multiple 3 peats? Most scoring titles. Highest career and playoff scoring average in nba history. 6 and 0 in the finals. One of the most clutch NBA players ever. And the Jordan story of how he won is unmatched. Just look at his last game with the bulls. The combination of all his accolades makes him the greatest. Go watch the Johnny arnett video if you still have doubts...
Great analysis, you dismantled everyone's idiotic arguments with reason. Thank you for calling them out
In the 80s Jordan got what? Wooldridge? Awesome. Isaiah would be out 1st round too
The first part of his career Jordan thought he had to carry the team by himself, but when Phil came in and convinced him to rely on his teammates, he took it to a whole different level. I don't care about the opinions of jealous players who have a personal axe to grind.
They can hate on this man all they want but somebody in both of their families are rocking J's regularly Lol!
I think it was his psychotic will to win at anything. Not just in competition, every practice was win/lose for him. Then if you got one up on him you better start prayin, cause he's coming back 10 times harder next time, he won't sleep until he gets you back. That kind of guy cranked up to 11 who translated it to basketball. Wasn't just his talent or hard work, he was a psycho about winning at everything.
7:59 Thats not the Versatility Mr. Frazier is referring.
Likely
Ability to adapt or be adapted to many different functions or activities.
I'm not sure anyone should be listening to Gilbert Arenas on any subject.
Think! That is a great concern & question! If we propose age as a factor! The Bulls still had a great team then, regardless! The old bulls squad wasn't super stars, but they were not lazy. Give Zeke his due! Come on! Jordan is Jordan! His accolades speak volumes, though no doubt! No one compares to MJ or Zeke!!!
Check your spelling on the title. Legends, not Legedens. It's correct in the description, though.
The Pistons beat the Bulls because Jordan didn’t have support yet AND because the Pistons were dirty AF.
I hear your argument, but I would say that same argument fits to say Wilt was better than Bill Russell. Also you might say look at what Bird did in his first and second year at Boston turning around the worst Boston team ever.
you da man
The NBA has to consistently convince people that the product they are putting out currently is the best their product has ever been. If that entails bad mouthing the previous face of the league, they will apparently do it.
i wish u can make video about this "we're done with 90s" shit,🤣🤣🤣
The way you feel about history depends on which side you choose, plus this is all great entertainment.
Anyone who says anything remotely bad about Mike is labeled a “hater”💀
Shaun, please fix that title. What is a legeden?
this the probaly with mj fans if someone says anything wrong about him its hateing when its not
*I don’t know if they’re being exposed or if they’re pretty much putting it out there.*
They hate what they can’t be
A few things... Much of what these players are saying is ridiculous; I entirely agree with you that when someone says that Jordan was not a great player, or that the struggles of the Bulls in the 80s falls entirely on his shoulders... those are idiotic statements. There were criticisms of Jordan at the time though that were fair and that did have their basis in reality. That he might have been a terrible teammate in the respect that he (reportedly) berated and even struck teammates for not performing is an entirely fair criticism. Kareem uplifted his teams. Bird uplifted his team. If the guys who were there say that Jordan did the opposite and that their individual level of play was in spite of the effect he had on them, if the claim is credible then it definitely diminishes his legacy as a player on a team sport. And I do not buy into the idea that without Jordan the mid-90's bulls would not have been championship material, as some have claimed. That team would have been a great with or without Jordan. As great? No. Great enough to win it all? Without a doubt. Was there anyone else in the league at shooting guard that was as good as him, to take his place? No. Would they have been able to find a good player to take that spot though? Of course they would have. This would have happened had MJ not returned to basketball. I was a kid in the 80s and early 90s. There were things about the way Jordan was talked about and hyped up that rubbed me the wrong way in that even as a kid I understood that it is a team that goes out there to play, not just MJ. I can only imagine what it is like to play at a championship level, as the core of that team did, and have your team mostly talked about in terms of one guy. Jordan is probably one of the best ever to play (The GOAT conversation gets a little silly beyond discussing who the top five or ten were), but if you are talking about a team being great, emphasis needs to be what makes the team great- and it isn't one guy. More to the point, it was especially not one guy on that team. Have some of his former teammates gone overboard when talking about Jordan as a player? I think they have lost touch with reality. Are there real things that can be fairly said of the man, that teammates could claim, that diminish his reputation or make any GOAT discussion even murkier? Without a doubt. It makes me wonder why they feel the need to be as theatrical as they are when talking about Jordan. Maybe it is because we do not hear subtle and nuanced points? Maybe that is why some of what they have said is so far out there (that is just speculation, of course).
You can always count on Isiah to throw his "friends" under the bus, just like he did Magic.
MJ is the GOAT.
Completely right, Sean, that the Bulls roster in 80s wasn't competitive. MJ didn't gave up on the Bulls. He stuck with the Bulls even in the difficult years (80s). In Germany we used 2 say "Den Karren aus dem Dreck ziehen."
MJ did exactly that. Made Pippen and many more players better players. I mean, look @ the Bulls centers. They made a 3-peat with Cartwright as starting center. No offense on Cartwright. But, c'mon... who is Cartwright compared 2 the famous centers of 90s when big men were really big men & the gameplays were based on big men...
The Bulls beat all the teams (in playoff time (5-/7-game stretch) except in '95 (but MJ wasn't in basketball shape back then) with famous big men back in the 90s. Mostly because of Jordan and Pippen... and a really functioning roster where all the role players did their jobs 2 help the team win.
Dude that logic goes both ways. You can’t single out a sole player in a team sport. Yet ppl attempt to do so with MJ. So when that logic is used to glorify him, it can be too used to criticize him.
Pipen should put the bong, mushrooms and whiskey down and get back to his senses. The man has lost it.
For me there never was or will be a discussion. Didnt need the last dance for that. People know, as i know. The greats know too. So let other people hate or be fanboys of other surely grat players. The fact alone that there is this "discussion" over and over again is proof
Isiah and scottie never had a commercial lol...I smell the hate
When you are an all time great at something, there will always be criticism! Unfortunately, MJ gets some undue criticism in my opinion.
MJ always gets called a ball hog. But being a dependable scorer for your team is unselfish in itself.
Its safe to say all of those guys have a personal gripe of some kind with Jordan. That means that the arguments are more emotional than logical.
What I believe it meant was.
Isaiah Thomas was saying he was a great player in the 80s but loss great player in the 90s then started winning. He's saying Chicago bulls wins wasn't cause of MJ he had a great team who contributed as well. So the last dance shouldnt have been about MJ should've been about the whole team equal time.
I'm a massive MJ fan and your channel so I'm not being disrespectful in anyway..
It's just my opinion maybe I over thought it
Funny thing is Jordan averaged 33 a game his career against bird ,
OK, they wasn't winning in the 80s, but MJ was dominating those guys that he said was on those teams they couldn't stop M. J
Isiah has a legitimate point he spoke the truth but to say that Jordan was a non factor is crazy he still was the best all around shooting guard in the eighties I believe we also under appreciate Phil Jackson as a coach and by the way Jordan was not a great 3 point shooter
The rumor that was going around was that MJ retired the 1st time is cause he was trying to avoid the suspension that he was gonna get from his gambling and I don't know how true this is but like I said it was just a rumor