SCX24 Treal Overdrive Gears initial thoughts,install and testing
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- čas přidán 6. 12. 2020
- Testing out the new overdrive gears from Treal! My main concern with these gears was heat on the motor. Do they cause more heat?
Treal overdrive gears found here
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Good info, Looking forward to further testing these OD gears. Your kenetic double barrel shock info came in real handy (hot racing kit) so maybe OD gears will to. Have a great day!
Got my overdrive gears in my C10 Today big difference, appreciate you sharing.
Awesome! Glad you like them! I feel like they made a big difference for me but it’s hard to know if others will feel the same. Good to know they worked so well for you also so thank you for sharing also.
Thank you for the idea. For my budget, these scx24s are where I'm at right now as learn. A Capra is my goal when things settle down. I'm having a good time with the 24 for now.
Oh man that Capra! It’s a beast! Favorite crawler I’ve owned. Winter will be perfect for the 1/24 tho!
Awesome man. Definitely gonna look into that.
Can’t wait for mine to show up
Got a set on the way for both my daughters deadbolt and my Jeep:)
Great info! I will try it on one of mine!
First off love the video’s. You Sir,are by far the most knowledgeable and in-depth content creator for the scx24’s.Your also extremely genuine and seem to do this for the fun alone. I have a request, I was on a Facebook group and I saw a comment that stated, running the front overdrive helps prevent the front double barrel shocks from unloading so much up inclines. If you care to test it out I would appreciate it. I have DB shocks but don’t run them often because they hurt steep climbing performance, I’m also looking into the OD gears,and if it works, I won’t have to buy new shocks! Thanks
I really appreciate that! I would say with my use of the double barrels and overdrive together that they probably do help a tiny bit but honestly the double barrels are just bad about unloading on the steep stuff. I still run them on my orange cage build but that’s it. Honestly if I had it to do over I’d probably just go with a set of oil filled carismas or my current fav are the treal aluminum oil filled shocks with the vlp springs off the double barrels. I’ve just come to like a bit shorter shock most of the time myself though.
@@2fmrc I really appreciate the response, I love Treal, right now just rocking the steering links but I’ll grab those shocks for sure! Thanks again, keep the great builds and videos coming!
Just bought a element enduro 24 I hope upgrades start coming soon
As I understand it, once you install an overdrive it will cause additional loading, so lots of high speed sustained will translate to motor heat. The advantage is when climbing the overdrive diff spins faster to help you climb, but costs you top speed and loading as the two gear boxes (diffs) are working against each other, the front will drag the rear and cause loading in the drive train.
Yeah it’s not really noticeable with these gears but I’ve ran some higher overdrive in my Capra and it was way too much. Felt like you were dragging the rear end everywhere. The sweet spot on my Capra is about 24% overdrive. Just barely noticeable but still has the benefit of tighter turns and slightly better climbing. These are only like 14% so not hardly even noticeable when driving.
I have no overdrive, yet, but do have a heatsink which helps dissipate the heat a lot.
Good video! Like you said- it helps a little which is cool, but i bet with better tires and some weight it would help even more! I might get a brass diff cover and these gears for an almost stock build.
Yeah with some slingers it’ll be a totally different outcome I’d say!
Awesome video dude!!!
Thanks so much!
really useful, many thanks for this
Thanks! Really appreciate it
Nice comparison video. Would be cool to see the same truck with just tires and gears vs tires and stock gears.
That’ll be next!
Yeah that's gunna happen to mine 🤘
Great video! 👊🙂
Thanks man!
That was cool to see thanks man 👌🏼👌🏼👌🏼😎😎😎
Awesome 1/24 scale obstacles course bro 😎
Thanks! It’s been a lot of fun
FYI Using that temp unit, The accuracy is off with the sticker first off because that unit reads off of reflection, not IR. That temp unit has programming adjustments for whatever material you are using it with, such as polished, or anodized, painted, etc...
Yeah I didn’t need exacts. Just curious how the temp would raise with and without the gears. Same setting,same motor only difference was gears so it’s close enough. Really didn’t even matter because the gears cause no extra heat at all.
Most folks who have heat issues, is because they are driving them like a 1/10th scale race truck, and or weighing the trucks down with tons of brass. Short runs like you are driving should show no noticeable heat increase, at least not where it will burn the motor out. If motor does go, it is usually because of lack of quality and control in the motor build.
I have found myself in the brass hole and just practice short lines to avoid burning anything out meanwhile. The whole brass thing was far too easy to fall into as a newbie like me lol
Waiting for mine to show up I should have gotten two of them one for the comp rig one for the scaler
I ordered a set from amazon and a set straight from treal. Wasn’t sure which would come 1st lol
Thank you for the video! Very informative and planning to pick up some for my C10. Question, how did you mount your Reef's servo? I have the same servo and had to order a shapeways aluminum mount I'm going to try but other than that haven't found any mounts that work.
That's awesome man. I'm going to order 2 sets for wheel speed. And run the hot racing mod gears. I want to try and get this thing a bit faster all around. But I can always take one out if I wanna try od front. Great video man.
Yeah I think I may put a set in the front and rear of my dig rig. It’s a bit slow. Try to give it some added speed lol
@@2fmrc and for the dig rig it would be perfect cus you already run overdrive through 2 motors with tuning.
@@motododo4626 yep! I’m gonna need to order more 🤦🏻♂️
@@2fmrc the good thing is they are fairly affordable
Love your channel my dude! You've dropped a lot of knowledge on this newbie rc hobbyist over the last 6 weeks or so since I bought my 24.
When's the further testing/now that I've used them for a good bit review coming? Interested in you're thoughts on both the od gears and the kinetic shocks after having some time on 'em.
Preordered the Furitek esc today and can hardly wait to get it lol.
Really appreciate it! I’ll get to work on an update! I’ve had so much stuff rolling in I can’t keep up lol
I’m with you Justin. Getting into 1/24 rc cars for myself and my nephews. Their dad just bought himself a gladiator so now all together we have 3 c-10 and 2 gladiator. Too much fun.
Cool video, very informative 👍 One question... have you done underdrive on the rear axle? Seems like you would get the same benefits plus axtra torque.
Great video, would you mind doing a run down on what motors you use and why?
Have a great day bud.
Thanks so much! I can definitely do that!
I know its been a year but curious your thougts and experience now with these. Still recommend? What about front and rear upgrades using this gear?
Wow... the c10 made it over that last climb at 5:55 nicely. You tried for DAYS to get over that with the enduro, lol.
You know… I thought the stock tires on the jeep, the Nittos, we’re better than the c10 Krawsers, But TJ was telling me just the opposite, and maybe I didn’t give those C 10 tires enough of a chance.
Yeah to me the C10s tires are way better. I’ve never been able to get much of anything out of the nittos! The C10 is also about 1000 times better than that enduro imo 😆
Stock tires just make it all moot... would like to see these gears in a modified rig to see how they actually perform.!! Mines on the way:)
Yeah with no traction it’s just more spinning lol. I knew if I didn’t test it with a stock truck someone would be screaming why did I test with a highly modified rig 😂. I’ll be testing them in some modded trucks next!
Question about the reefs. What mount are you using? And do you really think it’s worth it. Or just buy 4 emax ??
Super cool, i'll have to get me a set. Working on my LEDs right now, from lit LEDs they are awesome. Red LEDs for the tail lights , also roll bar lights, that is super cool. And a switch that turns them on and off . Check out buy it Break it fix it repeat, he has the links where to get, the switch is awesome, you're able to use the third channel switch on your controller, hit the switch once the frog lights come on, hit the switch again, headlights taillights come on , hit the switch again rollbar lights come on, now they're all on, hit the switch again, they all go out, that is super cool. Appreciate you sharing this video, I will be checking out these overdrive gears.
Heck yeah! I’m running a switch for the headlights on most of mine. Need to take the time to install some taillights etc on one of them!
A little tip I heard that seems to help peel the sticker off the motor to keep it cool
Oops you just said that sorry
@@curtisd6112 haha! At least you watched that far into the vid!!! Thanks for that lol. Thanks for the comment also. Always welcome new ideas. I don’t know all that much honestly. I’ve just tried quite a bit of stuff lol
Love your videos! Been saving my moolah for one of these! What upgrade should I do first tires or servo?
Thanks so much! I would glue the servo saver on the stock servo and get some tires honestly. Then once that servo dies or you have the cash for a servo definitely replace it next!
@@2fmrc Okay! Sounds good! Thanks🤙
Also I was wondering which tires I should get? I'm planning on getting the seafoam green c10 so...
I might have to try this out. I think this with the barrage or rc4wd motor might be pretty nice. Thanks for the video!
Is treals customer service better?
Im probably gonna try a set in my other C10 and it has the barrage so we shall see. I haven’t had to deal with their customer service but the one time when I didn’t get a response. I have however talked to a couple people who put me in touch with who I do need to talk to in the event I need something again. So I’m chalking the last incident up to maybe I emailed the wrong person or something and giving them another chance because they do make some awesome scx24 stuff 🤷🏻♂️
anyone think that will help the kinetic double barrel shocks from expanding?
Could you make a video about how to install the Reef's 99 servo?
Yeah I can try to do that. I really didn’t do much but trim the stock servo tray and mount to the bottom tabs of the reefs. I did have to do away with the bumper mount but I didn’t run the lower bumper anyway. Then I spread the chassis rails a bit. Not too bad of an install!
Whats a good combo set for front and rear?
Super ta vidéo. Je sais quoi faire commee avec mon SCX24 maintenant, merci.
Moi qui est un Sherpa j’utilise l’option du pont bloqués à l'avant pour créer un overdrive artificiel selon les conditions, j'ai été dérouté avec mon SCX24.
C'est quoi le véhicule avec la cage orange ?
Cool video dude, keep it up! One question though, what I don't get is why would you want to get OD when crawling, when basically what you want is high torque to try to climb as easily as possible. Of this is a crawler why would you want higher speed and less torque? One thing is to get higher tires and not get the motor to stall with the bigger tires. Thanks!
The overdrive helps the front spin before the rear a bit. It helps on steep inclines where the rear wheels will sometimes cause you to loop out or lift the front end. With the front sort of engaging first and harder than the rear it’ll sort of pull the truck up the hill. It also helps turning radius because the front sort of drags the rear a bit. Kinda like using dig on the rear when turning but not fully engaging it. As far as the motor getting hot I just replace that stock junk ASAP lol
@@2fmrc cool! It makes sense now, but at the same time it negates the possibility of getting bigger tires
@@guillermosuarezlecuona860 why? I run all sorts of tires on it with the od. Works the same
Sweet.What emax servo are you running
On your builds
I use the ES08MAllD which is the digital. The analog isn’t much different. I have one of those as well. Can’t really tell much difference in them.
I recently picked up a c10 and am working on getting it super modded. I'm looking at the overdrive gears online and I'm seeing both 2/14T and 2/13T. Which one would you recommend?
I really like the 2/13 set. They didn’t have those when I made this vid but they give just a little more overdrive and are what I usually purchase now.
With the front wheel spinning more than the rear wheels would it tighten up the turning radius some? Kind of like dig in a way obviously I know it's not the same as dig by any means but I just wasn't sure if you noticed any tighter turning with it
Yes it does! Helps a decent amount with turning honestly.
@@2fmrc that's good to know! Thanks for the reply. I may do the mod just got that reason, I'm sure it's not night and day but any little bit helps especially with my indoor course. Since I don't have a lot of space, there's a lot of tight spots where just a little bit would help. Thanks again and have a great day!
Cool I'll have to get a couple of those...if they aren't all out of stock from your video 😂 I swear you leave the rumrunner in the background just to run the mudslingers in🤣🤣 I have a set supposedly coming with my Betty when that ships🙄
Lol didn’t mean to tease with them but man they are killer!
@@2fmrc ya ya....🤣
@@tiredofinsanity hopefully you’ll get yours soon! Any update on when the Betty ships? I want mine! Lol
@@2fmrc I was looking at it yesterday doesn't say anything yet...I'm excited though. I can't decide if I will do something cool with it or just kind of keep it as is...it's gonna be a hard choice
Nice, I wonder if they're thinking about making an underdrive gear set for the rear axle? Then again like you said its a nice percentage as it is .
What I was told is that there isn't enough room in the axle housing to put a bigger gear, so it wouldn't be possible to put in an underdrive gear. At least not in the stock housings.
Was your Scx24 louder after installing a barrage motor?
Yep! They always are. Just make sure your gear mesh isn’t too tight but it is definitely louder afterward.
12t in the front?
I want a set of portal axles for my scx24.
Would be nice for sure!
What servo is that
burnt the motor on my scx24 today, upgrading to a barrage motor. how is the performance? are they just more durable or more powerful too?
Definitely more power/torque. I installed my 1st one when my Yota became pretty heavy. The stock motor would just stall out and couldn’t hardly pull it in certain situations. The barrage pulled it no problem. So now I just slap it in every truck I get lol
@@2fmrc mines got a 79' ford model body, I think it will definitely be a worthwhile upgrade along with some cr18 wheels/tires and double barrel shocks. thanks for the response, greatest 1/24 content on youtube man.
Any tips on keeping the motor on modded trucks cool?
I kinda touched on that toward the end a bit. Pull the sticker off the motor,place a small magnet or heatsink on it and that will help some. That’s about all you can do really. Don’t add too much rotational weight (like in the wheels) but I know we all like heavy rigs lol
What if you flip the gears from the rear axle to the front axle?
On a stock truck they are the same front and rear.
How does this not quickly damage something on the drive train with one axle running that much faster. Especially on surfaces with good grip.
No issues at all. You would think it would cause issues but I’ve always ran OD in my 1/10 rigs and now I don’t run a 1/24 without it either lol. I’m actually running the more aggressive 23% they came out with now.
Part number? Tried looking on Amazon and didnt find it
They are out of stock on amazon. Have plenty on the treal site tho!
trealhobby.com/products/treal-axial-scx24-steel-gears-overdrive-od-differential-gears
I don't see how deliberately making 2 out of 4 wheels lose traction helps a vehicle gain traction. In a real life scenario, this will destroy diffs, axles, or transfer case. Are you sure you aren't meant to change both front and rear at the same time to get a less steep overall ratio?
Having 2 different gear sets will cause binding in the transmission. No different on real 4x4 trucks. Old tires and new tires cause binding in the transfer case. Thats .25 to .5 of an inch. A bigger motor with more torque with gears would benefit. I'm thing of the t14 with my torquebeast
Hello! I dont speek english... this pieces installing front and back? Thanks for you reponse...
in the front. helps it climb better.
Got to remove that sticker on the stock motor. It causes the motor to overheat and fail very quickly.
My original motor failed in 2 weeks.
Got an identical replacement motor and remove the sticker and all sticker residue it has been running just fine for several months.
Motor failure on this truck is very common and it is always caused because of the sticker keeping the heat on the motor instead of dissipating the heat. This motor needs a heatsink not a fucking sweater!
Haha! I don’t even run one with the stock motor any more! Basically like all rtrs. Toss the electronics and move on lol
@@2fmrc thanks for replying. Love you videos dude.
Been wondering forever now if these would help with climbing when you have long throw shocks ,,because of the wormdrives...on how it raises the height. Since its overdriven on front will it keep it from raising on an incline as much or at all?
is it faster on the open road..? lol
What"s your favorite shock .
It really depends on the truck. I like the Aluminum oil filled carismas on a heavier rig with lots of flex. The aluminum hobbyplus cr24s are good on a mid flex type rig kinda like my Jeep was when I had it. The double barrels work well on a really light weight rig that you want a lot of flex on. The build I’m working on now I have the aluminum oil filled shocks from Treal with some vlp springs from a set of double barrels installed on them cause the ones they come with are too stiff imo and they seem really good so far. I just got that build together today and haven’t even really decided on a body or a few other things for it but the little bit of testing I did with it they seemed to do really well. Hope that helps even though it’s kinda a round about answer lol
@@2fmrc i'm figuring it out pretty quick. Thx for the tips.
Does anyone have binding issues with these trial od gears?
Did you install the o rings? One in each side of the worm gear?
@@2fmrc I did. Everything is there how it should. Greased. Even with the drive shaft off just trying to spin the axel in near impossible but if you take the worm gear out the axe moves freely
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Don't stick a magnet on the motor as a heat sink. The can of the motor has magnets in it and you will completely screw up the operation of the motor by sticking a magnet on the outside of the can! I love this video but I can't believe you even said that?
I ran a magnet on several motors until I upgraded them for better. Never had an issue with them. I see people burning them up all the time and I honestly have only killed one. Mostly got tired of them being weak and upgraded but the only one I actually killed was in a jeep I picked up used already. Usually people have binding issues or add too much weight. That’s when the stock motor really struggles.