E9 Why I Don't Use Stud Finders on Tiles Walls!
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- čas přidán 24. 07. 2024
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In this video, we will cover, Why I don’t use stud finders on tiled walls.
Agenda
1. Objective
2. Test wall setup
3. Three stud finders used
4. Video of testing
5. Summary
Below are the time stamps to each chapter:
0:00 Introduction
0:20 Agenda
0:34 Objective
2:05 Test wall setup
2:29 Three stud finders used
3:33 Video of testing
9:06 Final results of testing in the video
9:41 Summary
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Nice job, Daryl -- a helpful and objective overview of using several stud finder brands to read through tile. Your inaccurate results are consistent with my own experience. I agree that using stud finders on a tile wall is simply unreliable.
I might recommend using a simple and moderately priced Zircon M40 metal detector to locate the screws that fasten the sheet rock panels to the studs. This device also works on plaster walls and can locate multiple types of metal pipe, wiring, and the metal collars on PEX tubing connections. The Zircon has both a wide mode & spot mode. You'll need to cover a broad area on the wall, both horizontally and vertically. However, once the horizontal screw locations are found, scanning vertically along the same line should confirm multiple screws/nails along the stud where sheet rock panels join. Use a Sharpie to clearly mark the locations on the tile (not the grout) -- it is easily removed with denatured alcohol. This technique takes time and you will cover a lot of tile area. However, this approach has been quite reliable in detecting consistent vertical screw lines. Also, confirming the stud spacing with a tape measure is wise insurance before drilling. Hope this is helpful.
Again a terrific job Daryl!
Reg Tomerlin
Hi Daryl, I’m certainly willing to ship you one of my Grab bars for your evaluation
So how do you attach grab bars into tile? I have drilled a very small hole in the grout line and then fill with caulk after. I have also used break off toggles with Moen anchors and no stud. So I am very interested in your channel overall. Thanks for doing these.
Hi Linda,
Thank you very much for watching and commenting. If your shower/bath wall is tiled all the way to the ceiling, it will be extremely difficult to find the stud accurately. If you do have sheetrock above the tile line you should be able to locate at least one stud to anchor into, then use one of the anchoring systems for the other side.
I’m preparing to put more videos up on the anchoring system for tile walls. The choices are the Toggler SnapToggle (with stainless steel machine screws, the Moen A750 anchor, the Delta DF549 anchor, or the WingIts. I’ve put Amazon links below as a reference. I have completed the testing and filming on all of these, but I need to put the CZcams videos together. Everything else I tested failed.
www.amazon.com/TOGGLER-SNAPTOGGLE-Zinc-Plated-Channel-Fastener/dp/B0051IBD0C/ref=sr_1_11?crid=KTVQ492YNFQ3&keywords=Toggler+stainless&qid=1704825674&s=hi&sprefix=toggler+stainless%2Ctools%2C76&sr=1-11
www.amazon.com/Prime-Line-9127924-Machine-Phillips-Stainless/dp/B07D5V2JLS/ref=sr_1_27?crid=2D874FKR4RMUP&keywords=1%2F4+20+x+2+1%2F2+stainless+steel+round+head+phillips+machne+screws&qid=1704826027&s=hi&sprefix=1%2F4+20+x+2+1%2F2+stainless+steel+round+head+phillips+machne+screws%2Ctools%2C87&sr=1-27
www.amazon.com/DF549-Hollow-Bathroom-Safety-Anchor/dp/B00KQ3JVSI/ref=sr_1_1?crid=33OBSRA4DMZK&keywords=delta+grab+bar+anchor+kit&qid=1704826182&s=hi&sprefix=delta+grab+bar+a%2Ctools%2C80&sr=1-1
www.amazon.com/DF549-Hollow-Bathroom-Safety-Anchor/dp/B00KQ3JVSI/ref=sr_1_1?crid=33OBSRA4DMZK&keywords=delta+grab+bar+anchor+kit&qid=1704826182&s=hi&sprefix=delta+grab+bar+a%2Ctools%2C80&sr=1-1
www.amazon.com/dp/B004CCRJWO?ref=nb_sb_ss_w_as-reorder_k0_1_7&=&crid=3NCCO1S1U3GEU&=&sprefix=wingits
I just did a CZcams video on the WingIts installed in sheetrock. czcams.com/video/ZD04mZL9jDs/video.htmlfeature=shared It failed the testing in Sheetrock but it did well in Tile. The only issue I have is you have to drill two ¾ inch holes per side, versus two, ½ holes for the Toggler system. The Delta and Moen systems are great, and they only require one hole per side, Delta is 1 inch hole and the Moen requires an 1/14 hole.
Let me know if I answered your question.
Thanks again for watching.
Daryl
@safeliving-home thanks. I am familiar with those toggles and the moen. However, I have never seen the Delta mount. I have purchased multiple diamond tip 1 1/4" hole saws to drill through tiles. I have had several instances where the tile goes to the ceiling.
Hi Daryl
I don’t seem to be able to access your contact information nor to send you mine
Hmmm
I’m researching that
My takeaway from this video is that one should not use a stud sensor on tile that is not rated for use on tile by the manufacturer. None of the 3 low end models of stud sensors tested in this video are rated or recommended for use on tile by their manufacturers. Read the capabilities carefully before choosing. I don't see how someone could rule out the use of all stud sensors on tile based on this test. Zircon acknowledges that tile is difficult to scan with a basic model and recommends one of their multiscan models with metal scan capability.
Your comment was incredibly insightful, and I truly value the emphasis you placed on the need for choosing a stud finder that's specifically suited for use on tiled surfaces. Your observation about the limitations of the stud finders featured in my video, alongside the importance of adhering to the manufacturers' guidelines, is spot on. However, it appears challenging to pinpoint a company that outright confirms their device is effective on tiled walls.
In light of your suggestions, I've initiated contact with numerous manufacturers to gather their insights on the optimal stud finders for tile. The companies on my list include Zircon, Bosch, DeWalt, Franklin Sensors, Stanley Black & Decker, Tacklife, CH Hanson, Ryobi, Klein Tools, Milwaukee Electric Tool, General Tools, Makita, and Walabot. I'm eagerly awaiting their guidance and suggestions for models that are adept at this specific task.
I've also watched the Zircon video, "Why is it difficult to Find Wall Studs Behind Tile," available here: czcams.com/video/9wAeFS4b7M0/video.html, and found it to be highly educational. It indeed highlights that certain models are more capable of overcoming the challenges associated with scanning through tile.
If you or anyone else has any recommendations for specific models or personal experiences with using stud finders on tile, I would be thrilled to learn about them. I am more than willing to test these suggestions to create a more detailed guide for our audience. Your perspectives are crucial as we navigate finding the best tools for our home improvement endeavors, particularly for tasks that require a high level of safety and precision.
Thank you once more for your valuable contribution to this discussion. Your insights are enriching our community's knowledge and ability to face DIY projects confidently.
Daryl
I’m hoping to speak to you about our mutual interest.
Do you have a website where I can reach you? Do you visit your posts often?
Thank you
Reg Tomerlin
Hi Reg. I watched your grab bar videos! Very nice design. If you go to the about section of my channel, my email address is listed. Email me your contact information and we can talk further. Thanks for all your comments. We have a mutual goal of making homes safe and accessible for everyone.
Reg Tomerlin, Age 79 - Lives in Riverside, CA
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Nice effort ... but your testing is flawed in that you restricted the sense area to one horizontal test line ... you should have added one or more additional horizontal lines (by vertically shifting pward or downward from the original horizontal test line) then averaged the response sections.
Hi Chuck, Thank you for taking the time to watch my video and provide feedback! I appreciate your insights. You’re absolutely right-I focused on a single horizontal test line during my stud finder testing. Your suggestion to add additional horizontal lines and then average the response sections makes a lot of sense. I’ll definitely take that into consideration for future tests. Thanks again for your input!
So what’s the solution?
The choice of grab bar installation depends on your individual circumstances. Can you install grab bars that are mechanically fastened? If not, adhesive-based options are also available. I'll be posting a video about this topic in the upcoming week.
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