How To Install Bathroom Grab Bars
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- How To Install Grab Bars In Porcelain Tile / The Tool You Need how to use wing its
The best way to install grab bars in a tile shower is to use Wing Its , Drilling through porcelain tile is quite hard though and requires the use of a diamond saw bit.
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How much does it cost the instruction ?
Thanks for the link to the Diamond Hole Saw! What about the link to the WingIts? Also what kind of drill is needed…does it have to be a hammer drill?
@@sweetac271 you should not need a hammer drill just a regular drill.
Those wing its and hole saw are expensive. Even more expensive at home depot!
@@sweetac271 they sell the wingits and drill bit at home depot. And they are expensive both of them.
i make i wood stencil to keep the bit from moving anything above 3/8
The best video of drilling thru tile, and the drill bit needed for the installation,
Thank you, I am glad this was helpful!
If you hit a stud you count your blessings. No better option than attaching to solid wood. Nice vid Allen.
Well said! Thanks for your comment!!
Attaching them to the studs is the best tho
Your video is really educational I've been looking for one that shows you in slow speed how to do that with the wings I really appreciate what you did you're 1 of the good ones out there compared to all the crappy ones that I have seen thank you again keep up the good work
Thank you Allen, great video!
This gave me the confidence to install a grab bar in our shower. I bought a 36" Delta grab bar at ACE and then did my research online to figure out how to install. Your video was perfect. I watched another video where the use blue paint tape to make all your measurements on and this helped me a lot and protected my tiles when I slipped with the diamond hole saw. The hardest part for me was starting on the angle with the hole saw which you seem to be quite efficient at. I did get a little better with each hole.
I did notice that the grab bar you used lined up with top and bottom holes on the template, with my delta bar the top and bottom holes were offset to match the correct distance with the wingit template. This cause me some hesitation and fear, but after triple measurements I finally decided to go for it and everything lined up perfectly.
Thanks again for taking the time to put this video together!
Allan, do more like this (along with your positive attitude ) and you following will increase exponentially.
Hey thanks man! I appreciate that!
Answered questions I had and even some I didnt think of. Great video, simple, staright to the point. As well as educational. Thank You.
I just put in a grab bar and used a dermal 1/4" tile bit.
First, I punched a hole through the tile and then used a circular motion to open up the hole to the size I needed.
Awesome! Great work
Great "How To" video! Clear, concise, great tips, easy to understand. 👍👍👍👍👍
BTW, this is the first one I watched about installing a grab bar, and may be the only one I need,
but will watch a few others just for comparison.
Allen, very nice job, and great info. haven't used Wing-Its before,
but i will try them on my next grab bar install. thanks.
Hey thanks for your comment norm! They work great!
Amazing work Allen as usual, thank you for sharing this information. YOU'RE THE MAN
Hey Thanks for the comment man! :)
@@handymanjourney anytime brother.
Thank you for teaching me! I was afraid to install one for my dads shower but now,tomorrow is INSTALLING GRAB BAR DAY. You speak very clear and very calm and it makes fun to watch you and your tools. THANK YOU and you got a new subscriber :)
So awesome! I am so glad this was helpful! Best of luck! Thank you for your kind words!
@@handymanjourney you deserve every kind word there is. One of the reasons is by not being selfish and sharing knowledge that can save older peoples lives by not falling and hitting their head. Hope everyone watches your cool and fun videos. I mean, working people that care because lazy people just watch Netflix, THANK YOU again and i will always follow your videos and give you likes 👍
@@angeltopete4432 Thank you so much
Very helpful to know about the difference drill bits for porcelain and ceramic.
I am glad this video was helpful for you
10,000 subscribers! Congrats! 🎉
Hey Thanks Chris! I appreciate it! I can not believe it!
Great video and I wish I watched it before my install, but I still like hitting the stud best. I can tell you are a pro.
very easy to follow , got to be safely installed wing its are great for shallow walls
Very informative video!Thanks for sharing Allen.
Hey your welcome, thanks for your comment Cody!
Great video Allen! Keep it up!
I learned something new today. ☺
Hey thanks for your comment Dennis! I appreciate it!
Thanks for this video. I just got a milwaukee diamond hole bit. Great demo of how to use it!
I'm glad this video was helpful for you!
Good job, excellent instructive video. Very well done.
Hey thanks Samuel! I appreciate your comment!
Immensely helpful. Thank you sir.
Great Video. Never installed one but have now thanks to your instructional vid, so thank you for this!! 🤜🤛👍👍
I am so glad this was helpful!!!
Thanks so much for this clear and concise tutorial, it was a huge help!
So glad it helped!
@@handymanjourney Just a note for anyone who has not done this before, we used the Wing-Its on the first bar and it went very well. I also had purchased Snap Toggles and used them on the second bar, it went just fine also. Then on the 3rd bar, again using Toggles I got off my mark just a bit drilling the holes. It took a while to correct the problem, so what I wanted to convey, if you don't use the Wing-Its which have the template for where to drill the holes, perhaps make a templet and avoid the problem I encountered. My magic marker mark got smudged and I veered.:( Alas, all was well at the end. :)
Great video! Unfortunately I found a block wall behind the tile that I wasn't expecting. I ended up using the Apache bit to drill far enough into the cinder block to allow for the wings to spread out behind the tile/wall. A bit more work but the wingits still worked fine.
Good video, but do I have to use a lever or I can make it parallel to the grout line for aesthetics ?
Great intro to grab bar installation.
My bathroom is older with mesh behind the tiles so maybe plaster walls do you think wing it’s are still the way to go ? Thanks
The video is great! does help with 1 part for me and is really easy to follow and understand! however...I have a situation where I need to drill through the tile and into a block wall behind for the grab bars. any helpful insight?
Would you recommend wingits for a 18in grab bar or go with a toggle bolt?going through tile just like your video, thank you
I installed the same exact 3 ft grab bar today for a friend using wing its and that Apache drill bit.
Awesome! That Apache works great!!
Awesome information....learned a lot!
Hey Thanks for your comment Timothy! Glad I could help!!
Really outstanding video!
Hey thanks Doug! I appreciate it!
You are awesome. I like the wing-it
You are welcome! I am glad this video was helpful for you
Moen makes a pretty good grab bar anchor. Called the "Secure Mount" Drill one hole on each side and they fasten pretty nicely and hold a lot of weight. Great video Alan looking forward to more!
Hey thanks for that Darren!
I've used that product. Very strong and easy to install!!
Their mounting plates are made from aluminum which corrodes, and they show below the base of their grab bars after mounting. Not good in my opinion.
Hey Allen, what is the best way you have found to install grab bars on a fiberglass tub surround?
Nice nice very well explain thanks sir
thanks brother. i learned a few things
Hey thanks! I appreciate it! So glad this helped!
Subscribed. Excellent video and explanation. Cheers.
I'm so glad this video was helpful for you
If I can’t use “wingits” what would you recommend????? Zip tie anchors??
What make/model grab bar is that in the first installation? Excellent video!! Nice work.
Good info, thanks man
Nice video. I wish I found this video before. All the information presented here is accurate. Do not try the Apache bit on porcelain as he stated. You’ll just end up breaking it and it’s rather expensive. Get yourself the Milwaukee bit as he discussed and make sure you keep it cool.
Excellent!
On the second example, you said that what's behind the tile is drywall? Not cement board?
What do you typically charge ?
Thank you.
Hi again Allen, what’s all the yellow stuff over your drill at 05:17? Is that paint? What happened?
Really cool, thanks a lot.
Your very welcome!
@@handymanjourney where are you located? I need to install one. Do you do the installation? Thanks
Good job.
To find a stud behind tile: Use a small drill bit and drill through a grout line. When through, probe using a nail to find a stud. If you don't continue drilling until you do and then cover up the excess holes with grout (or perhaps caulk) Done.
Nice job, I’ve used the wing its and they work great,sometimes there is not room for them to go through so I will use togglers as an alternate
Thanks for your comment Pete! Yes those work as well!
Do they sell stainless steel toggles?
@@SDsailor7 yes they do for marine use
@@petethehandyman9185 Thank you I will be looking for those.
Great vid!
Have you had to do a fiberglass shower insert yet? It’s scawy lol
Great video. I followed it and was successful at the end.
The most challenging part was to align both holes to match the Winglets (verticality spaced accurately). There are hardly any vertical adjustments on the grab bars.
I actually ended up enlarging the grab bar holes to allow the screw be mounted straight into the winglets.
Any suggestion as how to avoid that? I still have 3 more to install on my parents showers. I was right on target using the templates.
If you double check your measurements before drilling the hole that you are the exact measurement away from the center to center you should not have to enlarge the holes and you should be able to go right in with them. Best of luck to you
What size wingits do you use for the 3/4 bit or does it matter? I see wingits makes several sizes.
That foam piece is sufficient to keep water from penetrating behind it? Id be incline to put a little silicone around the hole.
Hi what do you use to fix towel rails ?
This is good advice. Thanks.
I looked in your descripton but didn't find links to the 3/4 red diamond holesaw or the wing-its. You're leaving referral money on the table here.
Yes I meant to get that up. Thanks for the reminder! You can purchase it here amzn.to/2UYXjRa
If you left it would be nice if you had left a link where to get the Apache wingettes
Good to know. Never heard of wingits
Hey thanks for your comment. Ya they work great!
regarding the wingits and template u used...was the template incuded with the grab bar correct?
The template is included with the package of wingits
Wow, that’s some huge holes your making
Yep, for wingits you have to make 3/4 holes! 😳
What if cement is behind the tile what do you do
What if your shower is marble, what drill bit do you use?
Can you just use lead anchors? I feel like I had to install grab bars years ago in a coffee shop build out that I was a part of and I think I just used the lead anchors.
You sure could!
Great Video....I wanna install some Bars in my shower , it's not Tile nor Dry wall it's hard Plastic type material can I still use the Diamond bits and the Apache bit too drill....and another does those anchors come with the Bars in the package. Thanks again for a great clearly description of how too install Shower Bars.
Thanks for your comment, yes you can use the Apache drill bit to drill through that. Know the wing its come separately from the bars but are usually sold right next to the bars in the local Home Depot
@@handymanjourney Thank you gotcha....this has been a Project of mine for a long while.
I thought this looked like something I could myself, so when I was with my 90 yr old dad, in Florida, I set to use this method. Turned out to be a disaster because, in Florida, the external walls are made with concrete.. They put slats on the concrete and attach the wallboard to the slats. This means there is only a 3/4 inch space behind the wallboard which means any method that relies on a space behind the wallboard will not work. So frustrating!
How old is the house?
I used one from Home Depot that has an epoxy adhesive that will attach right to the tile, It had really good reviews and I have to admit it worked great. Only drawback is you have to let the adhesive dry overnight.
Fact...... epoxy will not hold up to water. Minerals in the water will chew rate through it in no time. You better off using silicone, with a dap of hot glue to hold it in place all the silicone cures
I just do the work and find the studs
What I don’t understand is how you got a wing it to work right next to that stud? I was told you need to be several inches away from any stud
Is there a standard height above floor or tub to place grab bars?
33-36 inches from the floor is the general rule
Get a deep scan stud finder. You should be able find studs on non tiled wall and pulling 16/32/48 inches.
Where is a link for the wing it anchors??
I wish there were close ups of the installation specially the wingits and the screws.
Google wingits, I think there are some great info
That’s ceramic my friend 🤙🏽
Yep, These tiles are ceramic, Just pointing out how I drill through porcelain if needed
What is the height of grab bar placing on the wall?
Get Alan! Great video and love your channel. Question about this: which but would you use to drill thru fiberglass shower?
Hey Jeffrey thanks for your comment. The Apache drill bit drills through fiberglass very nicely! Best of luck to you
What size diamond hole saw bit do you use???
3/4"
Please help! I'm using an 1-1/4" diamond hole saw bit and I can't stop it from slipping off to the side when I start on angle. I have even tied to go thru masking tape very slowly but I still can't control it. Your video, and all the others, make it look so easy. What else do I need to Know?
You need to start super slow , like slower than you think and at a super steep angle
Good shit
I have install two big tvs for a customer on the walls. Wonder if I could use these wing its to attach the tv mount to the wall?
Hey Dave, Thanks for your comment, Yes wing its would work for that, I would still put a screw in a stud if you have one, Just for good measure.
@@handymanjourney for sure I'll be trying to hit a stud. Hopefully I won't hit a water pipe. If I do I think I'll just drive off the job in a rapid manner.
Hahaha!! Ya, That would surely ruin your day!!!
Wish we could have seen the end product before it was cut off. Hate it when the pop ups appear.
Yes, but if you use the Wingits with a Glacier Bay grab bar, the plastic flange on the shower side of the wall will stick out past the bar's plate where the bolts go through. I had to shave off part of the flange.
Allen, how much do you charge to install the grab bars? And does that include the wing-its?
Typically I would charge around $90 labor per bar if I was doing other things at the home plus the materials cost
@@handymanjourney wow...! More than I thought. I'm in Mesa, AZ and most of customers are my neighbors. I charge $50. I need to reconsider my rates.
Where did you get the wingits
Home Depot!
Dumb question if I don't have drill can I use a strong glue or do u need someone to drill the holes in.. thank you in advance x
I would not trust glue to hold, you will need to drill it
@@handymanjourney ok brilliant thank you I'll ask my friend if I can use their drill
Awesome!
Should demonstrate closeup how wingets are installed.
im confused..how the heck does the random grab bar mount just so happen to line up with the wingit template
You have to make sure you have your measurements correct
hi handy..not talking about measurements...im referring to the circl hole pattern on the grab bar...how can it be same as the wibgit template?..just coincidence?...all grab bars are made different and all the mounting hole patterns are different
You should try moen secure mounts far more superior. Use water when drilling.
You should have tried to watch the video when he used the water.
The tools needed are more expensive than the grab bars!
Very true, that's why it costs so much to have them installed
In the video it looked like you didn't push the WingIts behind the wall to allow them to expand before tightening the screws.
Thanks after my stroke I need to put a some in shower my contractor is not sure
Also how do I ell.what type of tile
Wing it's cool much faster install
I use the Ole school method
What size hole drill?
3/4"
i believe i can do it now!!!'
So awesome! 🙌
is it a diamond hole saw bit? made by Milwaukee? hahah jk. good vid.
I’m not tryin to be negative just pointing out grab bars are least useful on the opposite wall to the shower head. The tricky part comes at the business end of the tub where there are pipes you might find the hard way.
Thanks for your comment!
the wall for the grab bar is exterior block. wing-it are to long for this wall since the furring strip between the block and the drywall is 1" or less.
What. No Milwaukee tape measure ?
Haha! 🤣🤣
Milwaukee tape measures freaking suck,!. Wouldn't use it if it was given to me. I like to say I just give it to someone else but I'm not an a**hole
Porcelain tile are the devil's dandruff.
😂
@@handymanjourney :) You did a great job, btw. The tips help me and a lot of others who are needing them for our loved ones who need them for aids. Thanks for the upload :)
It's too bad that you're not in my area, I'm afraid to try or trust a Handyman..( after 2 Handymen tried ) and they scratched the tile. I'm in Florida.
Oh man, so sorry to hear! What part of Florida are you in?
WHy would you make a giant gaping hole like that? Just use an appropriate sized diamond bit to your project, back fill with silicone, push in anchors (assuming you cannot find a stud), and then mount your hardware. That is giant OVERKILL and opens the interior of your wall to exposure from micro leaking over time. BAD IDEA.
Its a grab bar not a picture frame.
Don't look like porcelain tiles more like ceramic
ned Kelly K
Yes, These tiles are ceramic, Thats what I referred to them as in the video. I am just showing how I drill porcelain if needed. Thanks for your comment.
Please redo the video and show how porcelain tile is drilled it is same process but much different!