J.L. Schellenberg - Atheism's Best Arguments?
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Atheism fields two kinds of arguments denying the existence of God: arguments that refute so-called 'proofs' of God's existence and arguments that affirmatively support the truth claims of atheism. This first seeks weaknesses or fallacies in pro-God arguments; the second seeks to show why atheism alone makes sense. Different atheists offer different arguments.
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_"What is it: is man only a blunder of God, or God only a blunder of man."_ - Twilight of the Idols
All bunch of Boulder Dash and jibber jabber that’s all I have to say
@@billywalkabout5076 Well that's exactly what someone who chooses not to think about the question would say.
@@billywalkabout5076 It's your opinion, which didn't even include a point actually, against Nietzsche's then-- nobody cares.
that is a false either or argument
What about the argument from logical incoherence?
Can you please name 1-2 examples?
If god exists, then he's trying really hard not to be found and I think we should respect that; respect boundaries dude.
@UCv66cooR3GrKO5pY5BJBNZQ no James, I am Satan and I want your soul. Come with me willingly or I will force you. 👹
😂 profound 👌🏻
I sometimes ask myself what has convinced monkeys with brains that are approximately 30-40k yrs old dwelling on a piece of rock that rotates around a star in an isolated corner of this universe believe that they are structurally made to comprehend everything that exists? Is there anything more arrogant for lack of a better term to assume such absurdity?
@@vecumex9466 The word you're looking for is 'Myopic'.
Any argument that goes like “God is supposed to be x, so why would God do/allow y” makes no sense. We have no idea what God really is, so that argument is a non-starter. Our probably wrong ideas about something don’t prove that something doesn’t exist.
Streaming Analytics if you have no idea what it is, then how do you even argue for its existence?
@@New_Essay_6416 I think the idea is to avoid bad arguments. Like I'm saying, if we don't know what God is, we can't argue against God's existence by saying "if God is supposed to be x, why would God allow y". We have no reason to believe that God would follow the rules we think he should
@@cougar2013, that argument can be made for any metaphysical claim, thus your argument is dead on arrival. Cheers.
The thing is we are frequently presented with claims about certain types of Gods. We can argue against those Gods based on how they are claimed to be. Of course there are some gods you can’t really argue against such as this vague deistic god that occasionally makes you feel a presence but only when no one is testing (the one believers will frequently retreat to in an argument).
@@Ididntaskforahandleyoutube it seems that my argument makes sense for any metaphysical being. However, suggesting the universe has some sort of creator is different from believing in the god of love for example.
Were there actually an all powerful, all knowing god, he wouldn’t need humans to argue his existence. Then there’s that small matter of evidence ; there is none.
Randal Dunlap RN Or conversely, there is nothing which is not evidence.
Insect Politician
Mr. Insect,
“Nothing “ is not evidence, it’s actually the lack of evidence.
Evidence as the majority of us define it is that which has survived the scrutiny of the scientific method & has become accepted as fact.
You may certainly have your own beliefs & even though they can be extremely passionate & long held they do not exist as facts & are only wishful thinking.
The great thing about science is that it’s true whether you believe or not.
Want evidence?
"All Powerful, All Knowing" ect in the very first place, are all merely the human mental constructions that arise from human language and human societal learning.
And what if all you said is Limited perspective in a big big game which you can't even start understanding?
We already live in a world without free will and we are perfectly happy with the illusion of it.
Agreed. I'm very uncomfortable with Compatibilist arguments; they seem to cherry pick certain truths, and disregard others. On the other hand, WE must behave and act as though we did have Free Will, even if we don't.
@@seanmolloy9297 I am sure I freely chose to send this reply
@@mrshankerbillletmein491 And yet that's not really true is it? You are responding to my comment, so in a sense "I" made you respond; and if you had made that response without that previous cause (my comment)...well, you might have, but you'd just be a crazy person screaming into the void, and in need of psychotherapy.
Can you choose to be hungry? Can you choose to be an old woman living in ancient Egypt? Can you choose to "un-know" some piece of information, or think your thoughts before you have them? The point being, that when you start to honestly examine all the determinative factors that go into our everyday "decision" making process, there is very little - or maybe even zero - that is "us" making the selections that we think WE are making. Do you "decide" to be horny, and then "decide" to be attracted to a really tall, smelly, obese old woman? Of course not! Those choses are not made by your cognitive abilities but rather by your whole biology, and they are entirely outside your control.
This is a clumsy explanation, but worth considering.
@@mrshankerbillletmein491 so did you have reasons to respond or was it random
There are many good arguments against the existence of free will, but this question is in no way answered to everyone's satisfaction. There are many philosophers who still hold the view that free will exists.
Why would an atheist argue with a theist?
There is no proof a god exists.
Where is the proof that “proof” exsists?😂
How can there be an omni-benevolent god when there is so much gratuitous evil in the world? Christianity promises eternal life for those who love god but what about the soul that rejects faith because of unjust suffering? That soul is condemned to torture for eternity.
Why is god so desperate for love and so brutal when he doesn't get it? Is this perfect benevolence and justice?
I always hear this word "torture". What Bible are you even talking about? AFAIK, it used the word torment, not torture. Torture is from the outside, torment is from the inside.
@@Jesus_is_Lord- If you've no choice but to suffer it what difference does it make?
@@frankwhelan1715 You have a choice. Either accept Jesus as your Lord and savior or you don't, and experience this eternal torment. For the absence of God is hell.
@Legendary Force What? The original point I made was it is torment not torture, from the original poster. Then you said we don't have a choice, so I said you do and gave you two choices then now you have a different argument altogether. You are committing red herring all over the place :(
@Legendary Force Again, not the argument I'm making ergo red herring.
Let me take the example of God.
God has all the power, all the goodness, all the knowledge 'by default'. He hasn't worked hard for it. It's like a 'free fund'. He should have given 'everything' to us also, by default.
Similarly, we have consciousness/free will as a 'free fund'. Thoughts come and go in our mind on their own. I myself don't know what thought will come into my mind, say after 5 minutes, 10 minutes etc. It's a 'free fund'.
When thoughts come to our minds 'on their own', it 'seems' to us that we have thought them 'consciously'...
Argument from horrors? (do I have that right?)
If God were empathetic to our suffering, he would prevent it? Except that's not God's job, it's ours. And it's also not true that all suffering is bad. But be that as it may, We don't like being in biological bodies that can hurt... but if they didn't when we are making mistakes, we wouldn't learn from them. Pain is information. We're supposed to use it. Feedback loops exist for a reason.
Is God selective as to who he "saves" and who he lets continue on the mortal path to the cessation of life? Probably. Those he "saves" he expects more of, because they're capable. And it's not like those who are "saved" never have to die... we do, and will.
Schellenberg gives a very unconvincing outline of his arguments here. I have never heard the argument from hiddenness so weakly presented. Maybe it was because of the lack of time or maybe he can write better than he can talk or maybe the argument really is just that unimpressive.
Infinity - a finite value = infinity.
So, if humans lived for a thousand years, under that system it may be better for the child if the parent only made themselves known for the last one hundred years?
So, God the ultimate good, the Summon Bonum, the reason for existence itself, is best hidden from his creation. How can the ultimate good, be something we are better without at any time?
Even if that concept made sense, how do we know it is true? Surely it is nothing more than blind guess work. If it is not, then god is not hidden. But the whole argument is to explain why god is hidden.
Argument from free will... what? if we didn't have free will, we would be incapable of committing sins. I'm not sure how that's an argument for the existence of God. Do we have free will because God has free will? Probably, but proving that isn't possible.
I was never impressed with the argument that we can't have free will because God knows everything, including what we're going to do. Which presupposes that knowing something is going to happen is synonymous with causing that thing to happen. Knowing the school bus is going to arrive at 7, is not the same as causing it to happen... the driver does that.
If free will exists then how did Jesus predict all kinds of future events? If the future is decided then how can we have free will? .. This is a really good argument that wasn't mentioned. And the Bible is full of future predictions.. which makes no sense for a free will God
Absolutely goddamn right
And,.........it would make "intercessory prayer" completely irrelevant and futile...no matter how sincere it was. It could not change any direction already set in motion [IF this 'god' existed with a future knowledge and plan].
I'm not religious, so keep that in mind when reading my response (to avoid any potential ad hominem):
Hypothetically, if I could time travel 6 hours into the future and see what you had for lunch, write it down on a piece of paper, come back, wait until you have your lunch, and show you what I wrote down matches what you ate, does that mean you had no free will? Does my peering into the future to see what you chose somehow retroactively rob you of the choice you made that led to what I witnessed?
Also, if multiversal theory is true, it may be that it's never truly possible to know what a person chooses as all reality (reality related to behavior anyway), is being made up each moment and thus it's truly impossible to know with certainty what you'll have for lunch. If I come back to the present to show you the piece of paper before you have your lunch (that I saw you would wind up having chicken), you can choose something else, and thus either the future I peered into never happens, or a new timeline was created, one in which you did not have chicken running parallel to the one where you still did. In either case, was choice not still present?
@@KalCraig I think this is why "future vision" tends to run into paradoxes. Especially in a situation where "a multiverse" just isn't the case. So, to change the analogy around, it would be where I traveled 6 hours into the future, saw what I ate, and when I came back,....would I be bound to making that decision? What would happen if I did choose something else? The event that I saw wouldn't have happened,...so what did I see "in the future"?
@@DRayL_ You would have seen a possible scenario. In either case, still free will.
Just imagine how far humans brains can expand!
I love J.L. Schellenberg. What he says makes prefect sense.
As an opinion of yours, you’re right. As an absolute statement, you’re wrong: what he says doesn’t make sense.
Any being that is so knowledgeable and able to create a world and life upon it, gives that life, a method of multiplying and surviving, only for that same life to assume it can actually out think it's creator ? There are no words.
The evolution / creation debate has been done to the death years ago, it seems to have started up again. Have the atheist / pro evolutionists figured how DNA has come about through random gene mutation and natural selection ? No one either seems to have disputed the Craig Venter announcement that Darwins "tree of life" theory was false, that all life was NOT related. Him being the world leading geneticist that first sequenced the human genome. Btw, his announcement was over 10 years ago, during an origins of life presentation. It's still up on YT for those interested.
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. 19 For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. 20 For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world,[g] in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse. 21 For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Claiming to be wise, they became fools, 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things. Romans1:18-23 esv
These 3 arguments make no sense to me. 1) Hiddenness of God - if we knew certainly that God exists, that would mess us our lives, since the purpose of life might be to live a life not knowing for certain that God exists. 2) Horrors - who says God can not create horrors for some reason, a reason far beyond our ability to understand why...we may even look back on them and laugh later from an afterlife. 3) Finally, the argument concerning free will is incoherent.
God, the mystery invented by man.
Invented and Discover
Which men? By whom?
How do you know?
@@amirbasri2708 He has great faith in his own opinions I would say
"What really interests me is, did God have a choice in the creation of the world?"-EINSTEIN
NO!!! NOT THE ABRAHAMIC "GOD"!
history.aip.org/exhibits/einstein/essay-einsteins-third-paradise.htm
THIS UNIVERSE Einstein recognized by 1947 (date of statement to Ernst Straus) cleaves
PERFECTLY. ABSOLUTELY REFUSING to augur for or against a God. The Abrahamic God
could make no other universe. It would be impossibly failed if it offered "evidence" to conflict
with purely volitional "faith": "Abrahams faith was credited to him as righteousness"
That was just Einstein; not a half-wit whom imagines saying something makes it true....half-wit..
Great arguments by Kuhn, to be honest.
1. Hiddenness; because you can not always be around your love ones, there freewill will gone..
2. Horror; because other is too afraid of death... death is like God moving you from this place to another place... about suffering its God making you stronger...
3. Freewill; it a free gift, ability to choose.. God's suggestion is your choose good.
Hahaha, lets go and make people suffer to make them stronger. How about I make you suffer? It will make you stronger!
Although I'm a theist, I agree with Robert that God creates evil. In my view, God both creates the evil and suffers its consequences, just as God creates the good and feels its effects. However, all this is contingent on a particular ontology I subscribe to which I call an aspect monism and divine idealism. In this ontology, God lives. God has a life and that life is this reality. God takes on constrained being in every form (subatomic particles, rocks, plants, wind, light, all the way to animals including us. So, the evil/good that is present is created by God within the constraints in play for each aspect (role) that God takes on. Metaphorically it could be said that God is a faithful actor for each aspect whether it be a person or a tsunami. This is a very involved topic where a full exploration requires looking at the entire systematic theology. Here are links to more on all this.
The problem of evil:
dlcommunion.org/%20the-problem-of-evil/
Home page:
dlcommunion.org/
Is it safe to say that god for you means reality or existence?
If you start off with the presupposition that there is something that can do anything in any way, that it moves in mysterious ways and that it is impossible for us mere mortals to fathom, then then there always is going to be an easy way that you can justify its actions, because we can't apply common standards of decency to it's actions or find anything that could possibly conflict with it in the world. You might as well just say that you have faith that this is the best of all possible worlds and leave it at that... And this all appears to be a bit of a bastardised form of Spinoza's panentheism, which lead him, much more sensibly, to entirely other conclusions than yours.
@@TomAnderson_81 asked:
"Is it safe to say that god for you means reality or existence?"
No. Let me offer a metaphor I often use -- Author/Story. I think it's apt because I subscribe to a divine idealism. When an author creates a narrative, everything in the story is in the mind of the author -- a part of their mind/brain. The author creates the characters, environments, and events. It's all in the author's mind so it is part of the author but that is only a subset of the entiretly of the author. So in a divine idealism, this reality is "imagined/created" in God's mind. God "plays" each role in the narrative and takes on the characteristics of each character much like how an actor takes on a role and "becomes" that role.
dlcommunion.org/Actor-Role/
dlcommunion.org/%20god-and-role-play-games/
dlcommunion.org/a-metaphor-author-story/
However, there is also an infinite depth to God beyond this reality that is unknowable to us. What we see and experience is God living in this reality and the best we can do is experience God as God lives in all aspects of this reality and the God within us all.
If one believes/accepts that God is beneficient then I think it is very difficult to justify the evil in the world. I believe there can be a reasonable theodicy but I also don't think there a totally satisfying answer. That's why the problem has been hashed over for millennia. In regards to "the best of all possible worlds", I have a slightly different view on that. I think this the best of all possible worlds for the purpose God chose to create it the way God did. There could very well be many other worlds very different from this one where God's purpose was also different.
Steve Petermann
Interesting... so the Buddhists seem to be partly right when they say “it is all mind”?
So, god is a mind and everything is in gods mind which means that you are god playing Steve and I am god playing Tom?
So, god is reality in other words? God is all the people in this world and is our orange juice and snot, etc? It is all god dreaming? Do you think the Abrahamic religions would buy into this?
Mr Schellenberg appears to be a thoughtful, honest and gracious person. His biggest challenge seems to boil down to the belief in the reality of evil and of a material universe. Once we come to terms with that mistaken belief, and see that Christianity demonstrates the supremacy of good and that that is the world of Spirit, we can then perceive the perfect universe that he would like to believe exists. Unfortunately, traditional Christian theology has failed to insist on doing the work that Jesus taught us to do and expected us to do and so has failed to demonstrate the truth that would be joyfully welcomed by someone principled as Mr. Schellenberg clearly is. His real complaint is with the failure of so many Christians to follow Christ.
The only argument atheists need is that they don't need any arguments against god. Arguing against god is like arguing against santa claus.
But we do need arguments against Santa Claus, just like we need positive reasons why some things don't exist. If somebody comes and tells me there is no brain inside your skull, I'd ask for arguments. Without any good arguments that your brain does not exist, I can never say "Commenter Tom_Quixote does not have a brain."
Just like Atheists can never say "There is no God" if they fail to provide any good arguments for that claim.
Free will is an illusion.
This video just randomly played after a beautiful one with Sue Blackmore - a hero of mine.
I couldn’t care less about this idea of arguments for or against a god (they usually always mean one of the desert death gods from hundreds and thousands of years ago.)
The concept of evil is not coherent on naturalism, and thus evil better supports theism.
“In a world where physics fixes all the facts, it's hard to see how there could be room for moral facts.”
Alex Rosenberg, Atheist's Guide, p. 94-95
Moral features are dependent on non moral features both under theism and under naturalism/atheism. Moral realism is not the exclusivity of theism.
Because of imperfection, there is no God? Because children die of cancer, or grandma gets hit by a car, there is no God?
Where does God receive high regard, in a world where no risk need be taken, no pursuit in alleviating pain is necessary? Or is the honor in the reality that we want to see good in the midst of evil? Why do we care about evil?
Say that to a quadriplegic, or someone dying of ALS. We care about evil, and gratuitous suffering, because we have empathy. Do you not have empathy and compassion?
@k-3402 Where does the empathy and compassion come from? Why do you think we give a damn about such things?
That's all I'm asking. I'm not trying to impose any specific religious beliefs system. Just wrestling with what it is that causes us to care deeply.
It's not so much "say that to a quadriplegic" as it is "how can I help this quadriplegic."
Contrivance, contrivance, contrivance on the part of one defending the existence of God. Put a sock in it!
Atheism's best argument is "look around you..."
Everything that has ever been explained, in the history of humanity, turned out to be NOT MAGIC.
I think the atheist is wrong. God has to allow evil to exist otherwise there would not be free will. Horrors such as deadly diseases exist because bad things happen. You have to take the good with the bad in this life.
But the question being asked is the wrong question. Not why does God allow evil, but why is God so evil?
Did the Roman Empire military have Free will? How did the God of Christianity know, just know, that when Jesus was born near Judea, that the Roman Empire military would still have Judea under military occupation 33 year later? 30 years until adulthood, 3 years ministry. What if the Roman Empire military decided to leave Judea because the military occupation was not worth it? What if the Roman Empire military leaders all became Buddhist monks and decided not to torture, kill and murder the people of Judea any more? Then you would have Jesus of Christianity on the Earth and no one to torture, kill and murder him!! The people who sacrificed the most for Christianity are the people of Judea who suffered under a brutal military occupation so Jesus of Christianity, God of the Universe, can have a torture quest here on Earth.
Hippocrates (460 BC to 370 BC, Greece) wrote that disease is not from the God or Gods or superstition, but from the natural processes. Humans writing stories about the Gods in the ancient world would write about a God that faith healed. A God who wanted to be good to humans would talk about ways to prevent and cure disease, like sanitation, cleanliness, sterilization, inoculation, medication, social distancing and wearing masks. If someone were to write a book on the history and contributions to medicine, would Jesus of Christianity even be mentioned? A God of the Universe must have a lot of knowledge about a great many subjects, but nothing that would deserve mention on a book of medicine?
Humans writing stories would only know about Gods that could faith heal. Real Gods would have a great deal more knowledge.
It is not because we have God and free will that evil is neccssary . It is because there is evil and want to stick to the concept of benevolent God that we need to suppose free will . But free will in itself cause a lot of problem with determinism and is sometime incompatible with the concept of God . For example , when prophesy claim that Jesus will be killed on a cross , it implies that no matter what people do this event will occur , therefore they don t have free-will upon those things , thus no absolute freedom and no free-will in this sence . When we know that God could in fact intervene in life of humans for the greater good ( as many mithology states ; like God sending an angel to prevent Abraham from killing Issac ) we don t get why if free-will is in fact not an absolute value for God , does he not prevent more evil events from appening ?
The hiddenness argument is just uncrackable. Khuns rebuttal arguments fail so hard
@Sciencian You're not impressed because you had access to the world of philosophy and science with which to judge and use your reasoning. Lucky fortunate you
I like how he placed evolution in the imaginary world.👍
Why argue the existence of a creator from religious reasons when those vary from person to person when the existence of a creator can be made painfully obvious when you really explore how ordered and impossibly complex this universe is??
I do think that Adam and Eve partaking of the fruit of knowledge of good and evil had great effect on reality. Why they were given access to it I find difficult.
Because it's a story trying to tell you a moral lesson, not something that actually happened.
@@bipolarminddroppings I believe what the bible says not the ideas of men
How is the biggest argument for atheism overlooked? The best argument for atheism is "There is no evidence that gods exist".
Not impressed Nietzsche better
Shellenberg lost big time in this one !!!!!
Interviewer is so desperate and confused
If God were obvious it wouldn't be interesting? :O Imo..it would be ALL that was interesting!
Gary Llewellyn interesting from a philosophical point of view. The belief in a god limits the universe of philosophical possibilities and eliminates most thought about what is, and what could be.
@@melgross :) By "obvious", I don't mean the belief. I mean the actuality! :O ...adjective
easily perceived or understood; clear, self-evident, or apparent.
True
But then what would we do? How would we live our lives if we knew with certainty that nothing we do matters if all is guaranteed. It would seem to me that if I knew from the moment of birth that God existed, I would come to take it for granted very quickly much the same way a person born to a rich family will never truly know what it means to be rich.
heatvision38 How do you think generation alpha will be able to do it? If they can we can our savior is artificial intelligence and technology.
The happy atheist
God is a concept...
Now this from John Lennon czcams.com/video/aCNkPpq1giU/video.html
All. 3 of his points are arguments against religion and the accuracy of it's teachings. Nothing presented is an argument against divine existence of God.
Of course they are if god entails all loving.
Notice that literally all of these arguments are forms of the argument of evil. If you can answer evil, you answer all of these
Good luck finding that answer.
11 minutes of fantasy!
@TheFacts
I don't see anything that relates to reality!
@TheFacts
Yes, there are no solid theistic arguments, but my main point would be that science provides a good picture to describe us and the universe and it is not necessary to involve supernatural explanations when the natural suffices.
Certainly religion adds nothing. To look to ancient, uninformed cultures for their take on the subject is not helpful.
Zoltan Istvan for president for Transhumanism and universal basic income a Republican in 2020 vote for him!
God must be civilized. Otherwise we're living in some kind of Yog-Sarothian nightmare and might as well fool ourselves about it.
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Why do Atheist always compare God to us mere humans?
Shows how limited our understanding is.
FYI im not religious, Just believe in God.
Ahmed360 When you say god what do
You mean? Is it just the universe? Is it someone who made this and never interacts? What do you mean? Does he talk? Is he everywhere as they say? If so, can we speak to him? What do you mean?
@TheFacts True.....the use of "mere" shows a connotation of us being "lower", but in essence, we are actually above the concept of "god" because we invented it....even if that concept includes traits which are [as claimed by theists, and which can be argued] "greater than our own".
@TheFacts Agreed. We 'feel' we are of more value because of our own sentience. We might be of greater value or significance than a virus, but our gut bugs in our intestines are of equal value, if not moreso, because of their function in our health.
:-)
@TheFacts We give things meaning. It 'means more to us' when it appears to have more value. But as I said, it doesn't always ring true....such as the example of gut bugs.
@TheFacts In the grand scheme of things, we really aren't anymore important. And maybe on some level,...less important, one could argue.
Khun realy cornered this man
I love when atheists have a near death experience and come back believers 😂
If a typical non-believer was asked "don't you think NDEs offer some proof for god" or something similar, you would expect to hear something like "no, because we know that people can be wrong about their experiences. After all, we have all kinds of stories of alien abduction". Assuming, of course, that they have any kind of background in reasoning and/or science.
So when such a person, after having their own NDE, suddenly starts believing in god of any kind, they are now a hypocrite of a kind. Because absolutely nothing new has occurred that we haven't heard before, and yet this person is now changing their mind just because it was "their" experience.
Also, I feel like I have seen this video before. Is this new content?
I'm not sure I see that as a good argument for the existence of God... it would be a much better, fulfilling experience if God became obvious to mankind when they are enjoying life to the fullest..rather than a placebo effect consultation in time of despair ..
Can you give us an example of an atheist having a near death experience and then coming back as a believer in a god? In any case, just because someone experiences a lack of oxygen to the brain and then has an emotional response which causes them to believe in a fairly tale... doesnt say much about the validity of that fairy tale... except perhaps to show further evidence of how such beliefs are acquired without any real evidence. At the end of the day, there is zero credible evidence for any god... and the fact that there are so many shows how easily people can convince themselves of false ideas. I'm sure that most religious people will agree with this... except oddly enough about THEIR false ideas.
What about the 1000s of people who believe they had a reincarnation experience?
You are not God and do not make up the rules.
I know it's hard to accept for you.
You have your free will and can decide to exclude God from your life.
Comparing your role as a father to God's role as our heavenly Father is the definition of hubris.
WHAT? God created evil? ...That's a big NOPE. God is good in nature so it's contradicting for him to create evil. He can allow evil yes since it's the consequence of giving us free will, but creating evil itself? Don't think so
So evil created itself? How is that possible?
Maybe there is another option, and that option is that what you think is evil, isn't evil at all.
If you don't have any objective meaning of good then perhaps you can't call evil, evil. Since I do have an objective meaning of good, I can say that there is evil, pain and suffering. As I mentioned on my post, evil is possibly the consequence of freewill, so asking who created evil seems like a wrong question to ask
@@Jesus_is_Lord- you are born out of a woman. You can't have an objective meaning of good and evil.
The meaning of good and evil that you do have, is told to you by your religion. It is in no way shape or form objective.
@Legendary Force Nice one, good find
@Legendary Force Nice to meet you, i couldn't agree more. I'm not an atheist either ;)
I think God is very large and people are very small. Mull that over.
God made evil because you can't have light without a dark to stick it in. Lol spoken as a lifelong atheist.
Matthew McCarter A god could of made any kind of world with any parameter and algorithm.
...ATHEIST, TRUE ATHEIST, NEW WAVE ATHEIST....HAVE NO FUTURE😵😵😵....YOUR DEMISE IS DESCRIBED IN THE BOOK REVELATION😇.....JESUS SAVES HIS FLOCK😇...U R NOT ONE👹...NON EXISTANCE WILL B U 4 EVER!!!.......😎
Why God created cancer cells?
sin did in chrstian theology; study the free will defense as well to the problem of Evil
Well question is why do cancer cells form?
@@onestepaway3232 original sin...
Because he could. :-)
I just read something someone wrote that made alot of sense. God needed to give humans an even playing ground in believing in him. The only thing he used is faith. Basically everyone understands living by faith. If God showed himself, then humans would try to refrain from their deeds in fear of going to Hell. God wants us to refrain in spite of that fear. It makes logical sense that God will not intervene with human evil. Are there stories where an Angel seemed to intervene, yes there are. The Bible clearly tells us we must live by faith. So Jesus dying on the cross, and faith can universally be used in explaining how God works. One person might not understand something, but another might. Faith makes it so most humans can comprehend where salvation lies. It lies in a belief in Jesus, and what he did on the cross. The reason humans can't comprehend there being a loving God, is because humans themselves aren't all loving. Humans can't comprehend a perfect deity, when they themselves are far from perfect. To be honest, I can't believe Jesus loves everyone. Humans are so undeserving of God's love. That's why the ones who seek him, shall find him. God doesn't send humans to Hell. Humans send themself there. " For those who believe, no questions are necessary ". " For those who don't, all are ". We must live by faith.
"How do I know, the bible tells me so"