StarCraft 2: Siding with Tosh Aftermath in 1080p
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- What happens if you choose to side with Tosh on the New Folsom mission.
Choosing Tosh Mission Dialogue: • StarCraft 2 Choosing T...
Choosing Tosh Post-Mission Cutscene: • StarCraft 2: Siding wi...
Choosing Nova Mission Dialogue:
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Choosing Nova Post-Mission Cutscene:
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“Tomorrow there will be a new Mengsk” he got that right.
At least This Mengsk was alot better than his old man
Tosh might be excentric but Hanson says afterwards that Nova lied about Spectre instability so no matter which way you spin it siding with Tosh is the good ending:
- You get Tosh (Who still is with Raynor's Raiders during HOTS and proves loyal as he volunteers to rescue Jimmy)
- You get Spectres (Who are cooler than Ghosts)
- You free political enemies of Mengsk and multiple Allies to fight Mengsk
Siding with Nova gets you this:
- A dead Tosh (Who again, proves to be a very loyal ally)
- How to train your Ghost
- Nova not looking the other way during HOTS anyway
- Mengsk' political enemies remain locked-up.
Granted you get a funny Tychus moment if you side with Nova
Maybe the best part of siding with Tosh is that he remains on your side, being your TOTAL BRO. Also Tosh looks pretty badass compared to that skinny chick who is by the by your enemy and the enemy of my enemy is your bro.
One other thing you missed with siding with Nova, she randomly shows up on the ship in the armory if sit and watch for a bit. It's brief, but when she de-cloaks she's sitting on the crate with rifle in hand and cloaks again.
@Diotato Brandomato
Don't forget how most of the Ghosts' actual ability arsenal is completely and utterly pointless vs anything but Ultralisks regarding Snipe (which Spectre's can also do with Psionic Lash...and against big mechanical units too) and enemies rarely use Energy caster units effectively for EMP to be useful.
@@joshuakim5240 EMP can nuke protoss, Ghosts are anti Protoss while Spectres are anti Zerg/terran. Also ghosts can EMP Kerrigan in the final mission.
However i like Specters for them being a better Marine in the combat; (use marines in defence, but use Specters for Aggresion)
>Who again, proves to be a very loyal ally
He even volunteers to break Jim out of the Moros Prison Ship.
Tosh is a bro to the last muscle and a real dawg to the bone.
Actually, it was confirmed by Blizzard that Nova was just telling Raynor what Mengsk had told her; she truly -did- believe that the Spectres were all murderers and lunatics, because she believed Mengsk (having been -resocialized- to take him at his word and always be loyal to him; brainwashing, yay!).
But, yes, the Spectres are no more insane than regular ghosts. Except for being a bit more "odd" in collecting trinkets.
Specters are good guys, they just need to stay away from the voodoo.
The Spectres WOULD be insane if it isn't for the stabilizing agent Jorium (which is why Tosh needed you to get Jorium on Redstone). Terrazine is quite well-known for causing hallucination or just make a person go insane. However some side effect will remain, one well-known side effect is superstition making the Spectres do eccentric stuff like collecting dolls and some other voodoo stuffs to supposedly enhance their power.
@@thecommentguy9380 It does enhance their power a bit, just not always in the way they think. Tosh's voodoo doll worked, on Tychus.
Didn't Stetman used to much terrazins on himself?
@@MHAOvercharged If I recall correctly, yes, and he didn't have Jorium as a balancing agent, so the end result was him going insane in the membrane.
There is a saying that you can never judge a book by it's cover, and so I've chosen Tosh.
Nova is a bitch, you don't know if she is going to return you the favor or kill you because Mengsk don't want loose ends.........
I chose tosh on my 1st run because specters are new
@@ca294 Also Nova Covert Ops shows that Dominion occationally mind vipes their Ghost or changing their memories alltogether in order to keep them under control.
Mengsk want Tosh dead because he is one of the only ghost oparative that is immune to mind alterations, due to an accicent regarding Nova. Also Tosh and Nova did loved together but Nova dont remembers it .
So in the end, Tosh exactly does want same thing with Raynor, killing mengsk who turned their lovers against them......
I chose tosh because I liked the idea of supporting a mad murderer
@Wasp she is kinda bad tho, is that frost?
I wasn't that big a fan of the Wings of Liberty storyline overall, but I do like this cutscene. The clash between Horner's idealism and Tosh's cynicism is beautifully handled, with Raynor sort of in the middle: personally leaning more towards Tosh's revenge motive, but respecting Horner's dreams nevertheless.
There is so much potential for a MGS-style action-adventure stealth game with political commentary in the Starcraft universe!
Steve Son That is what StarCraft could've been...
@@crazy4sian Starcraft Ghost pretty much had a similar style but was sadly cancelled :(
That's not cinicism.
That's nihilism.
Tosh was such a bro. This proved further when he volunteered to break Jim free from that prison in HoTS.
Yea if you side with nova Matt tell Kerrigan we going to send most highly trained Ghosts in our Rank
But if we side with Tosh he says I’m gonna send Tosh he can do it alone
What a legend
Tosh may have seemed like a real jerk at times but in the end he really was a good guy. This becomes extremely evident when you talk to him while using the Ihan crystal. He seems very concerned about Raynor's sanity.
Loved siding with Tosh. He was one of Raynor's better allies in SC 2 imo, real loyal and a bro.
My father doesn't really like me playing StarCraft or in general any video game, but he likes this cutscene. It's got a philosophical feel like good old movies such as do. StarCraft and all science-fiction stories these days really can use more like this. It's not just about fancy robots, cool spaceships, or bloody aliens, you know? At the end of the day, it feels really good to walk away from the story and smile, knowing you have learned something from it.
It's something that we can count on to present 'geeky' stuffs like this to our parent generation and say proudly: "You know what, Dad and Mom, video games don't just teach us violence. They can also teach us a thing or two about life."
Call of duty multiplayer teaches nothing, though.
+Veloric Wu wow amen to that bro.... games like StarCraft are just awesome, I grew up with it too....
You deserve fame for that comment.
Get the classical Deus Ex and show that to your parents.
I bet you don't fully agree with this comment now. Once you have kids, you come to the realization that these games are designed to steal your money by making your kids vulnerable to business influence.
"Being behind a gun is what we do, Boss. There's no room for angels in our heaven"
i like this version. it makes you think whether or not raynor is doing all this for revenge.
He is but I think he also cares about a better future and knows that bringing guys like Tosh to help guys like Matt works.
Well that's what this scene tried to imply. Personally Raynor is all for revenge. Not his goal but he's just agreeing that the Admiral would also see a better future.
I think this is the best cinematic of Starcraft II, it sums up everything quite nicely. It brims with hope, but foreshadows death.
"It brims with hope, but foreshadows death." well said. this scene is immensely deep.
I always went with Tosh. He is a pragmatist. He might seem sinister, but instead he's just deeply realistic about humanity. The guy has been a special forces soldier since he was a kid.
That's why Tosh promises to only use volunteers so Spectres dont go insane and unpredictable. Tosh is a good person and when he turned into a spectre he's still with the good guys. So the good choice is to help Tosh.
Meh I've had enough of ghosts in Starcraft 1
Spectres be sumtin new bruthas! Dey got de righteous groove.
ya mon
I always thought that this ending was far more fitting than Nova’s, that Raynor would have never chosen Nova if he’d been put in that situation
Same thing as you, brother. I don't *quit* 'til Mengsk is *dead.*
I think Tosh would be a good friend if he's real in life. Just always be on his good side tho.
I really hope this is the canon choice. This cutscene is such a powerful moment in the progression of Jim's character. He truly believes that there could be a better tomorrow but acknowledges that the future belongs to men like Matt. Men like Jim and Gabriel are fighters, warriors on a path for revenge from which there is no turning back. As amusing as the Nova ending is (Poor old Tychus paying for Raynor's mistakes AGAIN) it doesn't pack the same kind of emotional punch.
I always picked my crew over other people.
I chose Ariel because I wanted to give her a chance to save her people.
I chose Tosh because even though he wasn't upfront with me he pointed out the basic fact, "she won't even join you!" He basically says that all your getting is some helpful gear and no loyalty.
And tychus because he wanted the freedom the crew fought for. For the simple want of being with his friend and starting a new life. Even though it didn't happen.
Raynors crew are the people worth fighting for. Otherwise in Toshs words
"Tomorrow there will be a new menks. And another one after that." But that's only if we don't learn from mistakes as a whole
Picked the same choices back then, and if I were to do it all over again, I would not hesitate
@@Carpatouille merry Christmas dude
@@stephenb3104 Thanks you too
one of the very few legitimately good story moments in SCII.
Also, if you still have Ariel Hanson on board, she explains that Nova lied about spectres being the ruthless killers they were thought to be. Tosh even states that he only accepts volunteers.
This is one of my favourite cutscenes in the entire game
This cinematic is way more dramatic then the nova side :P
Love it!
But less funny
Guys tosh is actually the good guy. Nova's memory got wiped out with the other ghosts to keep the fate ofold family heirs secret. In fact Nova and tosh were lovers just that she does not remember it. You made the ride choice in siding with tosh :)
Tosh is a good guy, albeit a very disillusioned and a very dangerous one. But even if he wasn't, I'd choose Tosh over that Dominion slut any day. If Nova hadn't captured Jim in HotS, Sarah wouldn't have rejoined the Zerg to exact vengeance on Mengsk. She would never have gone to Zerus, and she'd never have become the primal Queen of Blades. Raynor would have found another way.
Jain Farstrider Ne he would have not. Even if Nova did not interfere, Zeratul would have sent them to Zerus.
And actually Nova was willnigly brainwashed, that's why she is a total bitch. (She wanted to forget all the death she lived tough after her powers manifested, thus she willingly let herself brainwashed)
Limrasson Zeratul might have told them to go to Zerus so that Kerrigan could become the primal Queen of Blades, but Raynor would never have accepted that. Rather, he would find another solution, an alternative. Jim had moved heaven and earth to bring Sarah back, no way in hell would he just give up on her.
As for Nova... we are who we choose to be.
Jain Farstrider And thus they would have died, all of them...I think it could have been a good drama to see how they act out this pressure.
Limrasson We don't know that they would have died. It's difficult to see. Always in motion is the future.
Jim Raynor had proven on countless occasions that he was a great man and great leader. Maybe he would have created an alliance between the Terrans, the Protoss, and the Zerg that human Sarah could still control. Maybe the UED would have sent their fleets and tipped the scales in Raynor's favour. Maybe that Xel'Naga artifact which had been used to save Sarah could still have been used against the Hybrid.
In my opinion, Raynor could have found another way, because he's a guy who can go up against impossible odds and still win. When Raynor is on your side, you know anything is possible, because he radiates this confidence and determination which can keep people fighting for and believing in a cause greater than themselves.
Of course, that's just my two cents. You're perfectly entitled to your own opinion. Maybe you are right and I am wrong.
Confidence and radiation means pretty mcuh nothing. The only one who coudl controll the Zerg against Amon is Kerrigan.
But even so, why would have it been better if they could manage what you have said, story wise? It would be really cheap, everyone wins situation, wouldn't it be?
This sort of scene is what defines gaming. Not some shitty lootboxes
The fun part about siding with Tosh is that he will stay on the ship and give you second opinions on things.
Tosh represents the broken side of humanity in SC universe. If Raynor betrays Tosh it is essentially his decision to give up on the broken part of humanity. The soldiers, assasins, etc etc all who know only how to kill one another, by not giving up on Tosh he is not giving up on them.
I really like Tosh, and I wish he had a larger bearing on the plot (there were only three missions in which he was doing anything).
It is actually better to go with Tosh morally because just like Horner said, it is building a better tomorrow.
Also, spectres are awesome, they can do 200 damages after the upgrade and they have the ultrasonic shock thing.
probably my favorite cinematic. And Tosh is my favorite character as well.
Actually, if you side with him he does pop up for a brief moment in a HOTS cinematic, you see him in the background leaning against a rail in the Hyperion bridge and looking out at the ship you're about to attack. Not too mention Horner says Tosh has offered to sneak aboard the ship himself but Kerrigan turns him down.
For me - that last line "You'll see that better future Matt. But it ain't for the likes of us (looks at Tosh)" hits like a truck. The harder we fight for that Utopia, the more elusive it feels to us, as the struggle against Darkness causes a corruption of the soul.
"Tomorrow it'll be a new Mengsk"
"You'll see that better future Matt, but it aint for the likes of us"
At the end of SC2: Valerian Mengsk is the new ruler, and Matt stays as grand admiral of the new terran empire... and Raynor and Tosh just dissapeared.
Nice touch with the Naval Hymn ETERNAL FATHER.
Best campaign choice ever
Man, red Spectre cloak looks so damn cool.
@Tumerok22 The song at @2:00 is an old Navy Hymn 'Eternal Father Strong to Save' Track is 'Better Tomorrow' but a better version of it can be found on the Crimson Tide soundtrack.
@1503nemanja I like the fact that Raynor saved the colonists, because for one thing it sounds much more like him, because he's a humanitarian at heart. Another is that protecting colonists will rally support for him against the Dominion.
best cutscene in the game. so much more meaningful than the alternative.
Loved how the song "Eternal Father Strong to save" just starts.
It is funny how 1080p was such a big deal back then. If it was released today, it would be in 4k.
this give me tears
One time in class I was in a debate with another student. I interrupted him by throwing a butterfly knife and sticking it in his desk leaning over and speaking in a Jamacan accent. When the teacher called the police I turned on Cloak and smiled real big.
I won.
Tosh i choose you.
I could swear that Tosh had a face that was about to cry before he went cloak.
I think it's more like his respect for Jim increased significantly.
任務失敗トッシュは救わ (Mission failure Tosh saved)
It's so easy to close your eyes and think Tosh is Vol'Jin from Warcraft.
Matt Horner is so goddamn awesome.
This is by far the best ending of the two.
Plus, Spectres >>> Ghosts.
And from that day forth whenever he was alone, Jim Raynor would occasionally pull out an old music player and jam out to Ghostbusters to freak out any eavesdropping ghosts.
This cutscene was one of the few that has the feelings of Broodwar left with. Not that much, but still this was deeper than most of other stories of SC2.
um, i fail to see how a bloodthirsty backstabber is the good guy.
@TheSteamLoller333 well siding with Hanson was what i remember after reading the Starcraft wiki articles for the missions. And note that when you select the mission at the star map, it gives the mission name as Safe Haven (Hanson) instead of Haven's Fall (Selendis). Same for the last Tosh mission. when selected, the mission name is given as Breakout (tosh) instead of Ghost Of A Chance (nova).
Tbh, the first time I played this, I chose Nova. The 2nd time, I chose Tosh and haven't regreted it. :D
Doctor hallen straight up says that the specters are no different than normal ghosts.
this is one of the best cutscenes in the game in terms of sheer emotion and deepth.
1:07-1:21
wise words. just replace "mengsk" with "Gaddafi" and you'll see his words ring true in reality too folks
I know why Blizzard didn't do it, but it'd be nice to bring Tosh into the Nydus worm tunnels with the rest of the boys, or gain him as a mercenary you could hire for the mission.
i DONT QUIT until mengsk is DEAD ....BRO!
Tosh 4 ever!!
Tosh is the true BRO!
@1503nemanja Pretty much. The reason saving the colonists is canonical is probably because it's more in character for Raynor to try to help them. His revolution has always been about "saving lives."
@MessagerOfHell Of course and that's why I'm never surprised on what happens to those people later on anymore
Same here. I was thinking with the other "head" at that moment. Nova is one hot fox. At least fortunately for me, I've a save before the Tosh/Nova mission. :)
that's why i sided with Tosh in every single campain you cant trust a Dominion assasin as tosh stated
""Don't matter if it's the Confederacy or the Dominion: they're all the same. They squeeze and punch and kick you into a shape they can mold and then wipe it all and start again. You're just a machine to them. They use you, baby, use you up until there's nothing left."
- Tosh the rebel
All except Chris Metzen, with his "Darkness Wins" storytelling lol.
Blizzard needs to make a movie right fucking now
@Dragonmaw We can't be sure of that yes Narud spelled backwards makes Duran but this could be a prank by blizzard to make us think how the story gonna turn just to surprise us.
Did anyone notice that some of the names and pictures of released prisoners were actually blizzard employees?
@paulman34340 not to mention *spoiler* in heart of the swarm, nova leads a dominion team to the lab where kerrigan is being held to kill her. i don't know about nova specifically, but kerrigan kills the team
@1503nemanja Yea, this ending and the one siding with the colonists just make a lot more sense after watching each....
I first choose Ariel, Tosh and Warfield missions... Now I'm redoing the campaign to try Selendis, Nova and Tychus missions...
Tosh for co-op commander.
It's bull$HIT he wasn't a commander
@doom2sgt actually Dr Narud is Duran spelt backwards, and he have same facial hair as Duran... i also read from starcraft wiki that in one of the novel Naurd sent an expedition group to do some research... turned out they released the dark voice for a brief moment...
when I see this cutscene, I wonder why I decided to choose Nova, however that cutscene was hilarious with Tychus being thrown around the room :P
Don't you see, we just released every single programmer, graphic designer, artists, production managers that challenged Mengsk's rule. That was our real victory today.
Yay I'm not the only one who thinks Duran is coming back! I wonder how they r going to show him in the next 2 campaigns, kinda hope he is in the HOS at least a little.
this is my favourite song from the soundtrack
Morally i would choose Nova, but this cutscene is quite appealing too, it shows Raynor dark side, and portay him as a fallen hero he is.
I'm the only one that noticed that Tosh starts to look like nova when he decloaks and cloaks
Well, she's -not- lying. Lying is defined as actively choosing to obscure the truth as you see it. Nova isn't doing that.
In Starcraft 2, Nova genuinely believes that the Spectres are all psychotic killers, because that's what she's been brainwashed to believe by Mengsk and his Dominion.
So, Nova is acting on false information (and is thus -wrong-), obviously... but she's not directly lying ;)
"There's a spectre(spy) creeping around here !" (TF2)
Tosh lives, Nova was a buried project. He will return in HotS.
Horner: Don't you see? We just released every scientist and free thinker that ever challenged Mengsk's rule.
Hey Matt, don't you see? We just released every Blizzard artist and programmer. XD
I realize someone had to side with Tosh just so we get this video, but if I catch you siding with tosh you're catching some fists.
@Rotaermel reading the descriptions of the vehicles at the armory and tychus' history
it really was the best choice
The prisoners were just locked up becuz mengsk hated them,but since mengsk is "bad" and the prisoners stand up against mengsk just like raynor and horner,the prisoners are the "good guys".
aswell as people in the mechanical suits and vehicle are,so this is indeed the right choice from the view of hyperion :D
Touche, my friend.
People say that SC2's story is weak, but this is one of the stronger parts.
My first thought when he flipped open that balisong was he was gonna stab Matt in the back. That would have made the game 10 times better.
@101fmp well they tried to with Starcraft:Ghost if you watch the trailer for that game, you can see that Nova is actually in it :P
Btw I choose for Tosh too, like the guy more and it seems that Nova was lying about the specters being psychotic.
Also releasing prisoners wouldn't be a problem since if you read in the armory the Firebat and Marauder description, you'll notice we have been using them quite a lot :P.
@RaiohTheHunter
Yes and no.
Remember, in the colonist situation the facts change depending on the players choice, if you side with the Protoss the humans are extremely infested and it is obviously a lost cause to try and save them all, but if you choose the colonists side it's the other way around. So the facts changed to portray the players choice as the correct one.
So she may not be lying in the case that you pick her as the facts may change.
This is probably the Canon choice, given that it keeps a major character alive, and actually has some meaningful development for the plot. The other choice is simply a dark joke involving a voodoo doll and a dead pseudo-Rastafarian.
@Rotaermel Indeed it was. All Tosh's kind were guilty of was being different.
@LightofLand Nova told Jim and Matt lies about the Spectres to bring them up against Tosh. Spectres aren't psychotic killers, as Doc Hanson tells you if she's still onboard the Hyperion.
well for me i think they made the balance ok, ofcourse chosing Tosh is the right option, siding with someone who helped you, has a great character and is way better then nova who you just met and is the enemy. Personally i would chose Tosh, but, as blizzard is evil they made it so when u side with nova u get ghosts, which most starcraft 1 players would chose over specters. theyre just the good old unit that we all love, specters are alike, but its just not the same if u get what i mean
Gee, thanks for the compliment. I actually very much like Tosh, the first time I saw him. And because of that; him being quick killed just ain't right (if choosing Nova over Tosh).
Here's what I like about Tosh:
He's cool and precise (mentally 8/10).
He looks very cool (physically 9/10).
Tosh's voice-actor is perfect! The voice of Tosh is like melody to my ears (10/10)...
His overall character is a 9/10 on average and Tosh deserves to be back in Heart of the Swarm.
Much more beautiful than the Nova ending. Is this a hint that at the end of LotV Raynor would die and Matt would become the leader of the Raiders, tho?
@wasniahC7 Actually, picking Nova's path doesn't reveal anything about who was "right." Tosh gets killed and Nova disappears.
In Nova's path, Nova was still lying and Tosh was still right. You just can't find out about it.
It's better to make future friends who would some day getting you back the favor.