10 HUGE Harry Potter Plot Holes (RANKED) - Harry Potter Explained
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- Welcome to Harry Potter Theory. Today, we’re discussing Harry Potter plot holes. Plot holes that effect your favourite characters- Hermione, Snape, Voldemort, Hagrid and more. Before we get things started let me just say this- the established magical world of Harry Potter is fantastic- and it was fantastically written. Over the decades, it has given countless people an escape- a portal in to a world much more magical than our own. JK Rowling, before writing the books, spent years planning out what she was going to write- and when pen finally went to paper- she did an excellent job at piecing together the story and its characters. However, with that said, the story is not ‘perfect’ and there are certainly some glaring issues that have always stuck out to me- plotholes that weren’t ever addressed- or only sort-of addressed in a tweet after-the-fact. In this video, I’m going to be ranking 10 plotholes that stuck out to me- ranging from more reasonable to...questionable. This list DEFINITELY won’t include every plothole in the story- so don’t attack me in the comments if I’ve missed one. Instead, just comment a plothole that stuck out to you! Without further ado, let’s get started.
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Plot holes:
1. Why should all wizards and witches use only Latin for the spells? For instance, the Patil sisters could use Sanskrit or Tamil, both older than/as old as, Latin. Similarly the African witches would probably use tribal languages of their region.
2. Pagan world has many celebrations around equinoxes and other solar and lunar events; yet the only celebration Hogwarts has is Christmas, a fairly recent event. While the stories keep harping to ancient times and ancient books and ancient events and people, when it comes to establishing a wizarding culture, it still is predominantly full of white, European tropes.
3. Since the only way to get to Hogwarts is for the children to come to 9 3/4, it’s obvious that on the joining day, the Paddington station would be awash with wizarding folk before they magically pass through the walls. Hence it’s impossible for them to not be spotted by muggles - what with their owls and brooms. Yet nothing ever happens.
More later….
The Fred & George & Peter Pettigrew one really bothers me. M glad that u picked up on that
What do Blue Bell flames do like how do they work. Please tell me
How do Muggle Borns know where platform 9 and 3/4 is? Harry was fortunate that the Weasleys were there, but what’s bout most Muggle borns or even Half-Bloods figure out without someone else familiar with the wizarding world telling them?
I always wondered if there was some undercover wizard to help them get on the train
@@PatSen I’ve seen the 1st one mentioned somewhere....Most spells are in Latin for all wizards because if a certain language was used, the people who speak that language as their main language won’t accidentally cast a spell when their just casually talking...I’ve read it in some book about the History of Spells and Magic...
"Didn't really make a lot of sense to me that a textbook cost 9 galleons"
Ah, I see you've never had to pay hundreds of dollars for a text book that you'll use for one university semester and then never again. Might be the most realistic thing in the story lol
Yeah but these are like 6th graders
@@acornheart465 Still quite realistic. At my primary school, we always had 3-4 very expensive textbooks to buy each year;most of the time, we'd only use half of their contents. There is so much waste in this system, it's insane.
@@legrandliseurtri7495 Jesus, I'm pretty sure at my school we just had one set of each grade's books that got borrowed out to the new set of kids every year. We had to show up to the library on a schedule to check them out and then give them back at the end of the year.
@@acornheart465 Oh, we had some of those too, but we definitively had to buy quite a few of them.
Wow. In the UK you're never expected to buy books at all. You can during uni, but the library usually has enough stock
"Hey everyone! Welcome to another installment of Harry Potter Theory. In today's video we're going to be discussing what exactly was the function of a rubber duck."
Seriously though, what is their function?
@@stephanielee1261 It goes in a cup
@@stephanielee1261 you put it in your bath and it eventually molds so you have to buy another one.
Imagine if Mr Weasley was watching this.
Magic and science are baffled
The plot hole that always bothered me most is in Order of the Phoenix. Sirius gives Harry a two way mirror so that they can communicate while he’s at Hogwarts. Apparently, Harry doesn’t remember it all year until after Sirius is dead.
Yet, all the times they communicated that year, which was “super dangerous” with Umbridge in charge, Sirius never asks Harry “why aren’t you using the mirror?” But instead they use flew powder and owls, which were being monitored??!?
Also, Sirius gave him a knife that Harry used more than once. He found the knife but not the mirror?
Made me really upset the first time I read the book, like it would of solved so many problems.
It's not a plot hole. It's explained in the very paragraph where the mirror is gifted that harry would never use it
Doesn't explain why Sirius didn't ask about it
Using that mirror would create so many other plotholes. Just like if fake Moody made a portkey out of anything that he knew Harry was going to touch. It would make the whole story obsolete.
@@damasek219 well, that only makes the existing plothole so much worse!
@@damasek219 well the moody one really isn't a plot hole at all if it was explained in the text. Porkeys don't work through Hogwarts wards unless they are allowed through. My guess is the cup was always meant to be a portkey to take the first champion who touches it back to entrance of the maze. Moody simply altered it to go to the graveyard instead. That is why touching it again takes you to the correct destination.
The thing that always got me was in the Chamber of Secrets, Hermione figured out it was a basilisk and that roosters crowing was fatal to it, but instead of telling people to conjure and walk around with a rooster, she just tells people to look around corners with a mirror. How boss would it have been to be like, yep we know it's a basilisk so every student is going to carry a rooster around and totally mess up Slytherins thousand year old plan...
It’s a pretty good idea but how… would that work? They can’t just make them appear the roosters have to come from somewhere. And they’re only in 2d year, Harry doing the accio charm was impressive in 4th year this would have been impossible. plus, she didn’t have time to warn everyone - she got stupified the same night
Damn, I just imagined 300 roosters running around the school halls 😂😂😂
@@nana8286 exactly. Riddle made Ginny kill all the chickens for a reason. And Hermione didn't go around telling people to use mirrors. She was found petrified with a mirror before she had a chance to share what she'd figured out with the teachers.
@@nana8286 I'm pretty sure Accio's a charm, not a curse...
Or how about... why is there plumbing in the first place in the castle? People literally conjure water, clean things with magic, and vanish physical items. Are you telling me a wizarding building of any sort would need plumbing?
I have my own plot hole idea: At the end of the 4th book, why didn’t Harry put his memory of Voldemort’s return in the pensive, then show it to Fudge and other ministry people? That would have solved almost all of the problems of the 5th book.
So this is heavily frustrating to me about the books lol but it’s the Same reason that veritaserum isn’t as prominent in the justice system. A skilled wizard could work around this.
Horace Slughorn proved that memories can be altered and Voldemort showed on multiple occasions that you can implant false memories into a person as well.
However, as Voldemort implanted false memories in people and the ministry viewed them and said “okay good enough for us” you would think it would work in reverse to prove innocence or the truth in Harry’s case but nope.
I think JK was making a bigger statement about the corruption of govt and the justice system in the wizarding world as a direct parallel to our worlds systems. Just to underline the fact that even wizards are still human
Because memories can be altered
@@chrisastin184 you think 14 year old Harry is capable of altering his memories?
@@Tommy2704 No, but Dumbledore was. And since the Minister of Magic thought Dumbledore was trying to gain power and replace him, he would have dismissed the memory as a fake and seen it as proof agains Dumbledore.
@@Tommy2704 No but Dumbledore certainly is. Kingsley did it an half a second to Cho friend that sold out the DA in OoTP right in front of the minister without him realizing it. Dumbledore certainly wouldn't have a problem with it.
Why did Snape donate his old Potions book to the school for it to be loaned out? He doesn’t seem the generous type, especially with his own notes all throughout it.
Slughorn was using Snape's 'Potions' classroom, which he had just vacated. Likely Snape forgot to take it with him in his rush to jump into his new role and new classroom. Snape likely hadn't needed his old textbook for years, being provided with new editions by the school and forgot abut it.
Reading the Half Blood Prince I sort of theorised that it was a plot to help Harry been better prepaired by connesence of particular magic.
By giving Harry and E in stead of the required O Snape gave Harry the illusion not to be allowed to enter the Potion class And therefor did not buy the required book.
Harry had therefor use the book what was left behind and his noble character would leave Ron have the better looking exemple to pick up.
Far Fetched? You have no idea how farfetched my ideas were in the time spend between the releases of two books.
@@kamion53 Might wanna edit and clean up your comment brother, it makes no sense.
@@DominicNJ73 you have no idea what kind of wild theories were floating around in the year Half Blood Prince was released, this was even one of the more same ones.
the Potion book lost all importance in the next book and thereby so did my little theory.
@@kamion53 I get wild theories but it's not Snape who gave Harry his OWL grade. OWLs and NEWTs are not really run by the school so Snape would've had to hack Harry's result while it was on its way to Harry and they must have protection charms on them for that reason. I'm pretty sure Snape also wasn't given the post of DADA teacher until Slughorn was secured and OWL results came by mail literally just hours after that.
The biggest plothole in the series for me is the whole plot of the Goblet of Fire. The entire reason prefaced as to Harry participating in the Tri-Wizard Tournament is that he is bound to a "binding magical contract." Yet nowhere in the books or movies are we given any idea what the penalty for breaking the contract is. If you break an unbreakable vow you die. But no one ever explains why breaking the magical contract is somehow worse than participating in a series of dangerous challenges. Even all the adult wizards and staff recognize whoever put Harry's name in was setting a trap and all they have to say to that is, "Yeah it may be a trap, but let's go ahead and walk into it anyways." Harry didn't want the glory, and said on numerous occasions he would have backed out if he could. But really what was there to stop him from actually doing that, or just forfeiting every challenge before participating?
Whatever the penalty is, it doesn't include loosing on purpose because Harry let's Cedric win and he's not struck by lightning.
Also you could give up in the last trial, so probably also in the other two.
Harry could have just entered the arena and give up.
Not to mention the fact that the contract was agreed upon by an imposter. Like really can you be held responsible for a contract that you didn’t enter into of your own free will?
He also was underage, so shouldn’t have been able to enter into such a contract.
It was obviously death or something worse than participating
@@twinkstar7738 That was a ministry rule made up that year, the goblet doesn't recognize that rule
I don't think the Elder Wand is a plot hole. Dumbledore later explains to Harry that much of the lore surrounding the wand is made up of rumors and legends while the reality is much more mundane. It isn't Death's own wand, just an uncommonly powerful one that can transfer from wizard to wizard by normal means. It doesn't "crave power" or anything like that.
Also, when Draco disarmed Dumbledore, Dumbledore was already weak, and he was at Draco's mercy anyways
Dumbledore also died very shortly after, further cementing Draco as the wands next owner.
Yeah, some theory says the deathly hollows actually "just" a powerful wizarding artefact, made by extremely talented Peverell brothers. Not actually the death owned item.
It's very likely that all three of them are made from thestrals, the cloak is made from thestral hair and the wand uses a thestral hair as its core. The stone I think would be made from their bones and enchanted to bring the spirits of the deceased back.
Why thestrals? Because these creatures can only be seen by those who have witnessed death and the brothers may have been intrigued by the magical properties of these creatures whereas everyone else was scared of them.
Here’s mine: It’s states early in Book 2 that all of the Dursley’s didn’t know Harry wasn’t allowed to use magic outside of school because he was underage, at least until the letters started coming in that told them. How did Petunia not know that underage wizards and witches weren’t allowed to use magic outside of school when she grew up around Lily…
Petunia’s dumb
Petunia hated everything associated with magic, so most likely blocked as much information from her mind as she possibly could. Even she was surprised when she blurted out what a dementor was.
She avoided lily, simple.
She could have simply forgot because of her resentment and denial of the wizarding world. She likely didn’t even remember until Harry got the letter
thats a good point, but maybe she never cared enough, or she already knew, Harry's uncle was the one who ever mentioned this
One thing I am curious about Thestrals is while I know that to most students they are invisible surely there must be older students who are aware of them who tell the younger ones? And has anyone bumped into one before? They're invisible but still solid. Not sure if this can be considered a plot hole, more of a curiosity.
And can Hermione, Kingsley, Bill and Fleur see them in Deathly Hallows? Hermione would rather hop on an invisible creature than ride a broom? Or did she actually see Sirius die?
@@lanetower3411 only some of the members of the ootp,harry and neville were present at the time of sirius's death.
@@lanetower3411 Again movie plot hole, the book split the DA up and the OOTP eventually came in and helped them individually. Only Neville and Harry saw Sirius die.
@@lanetower3411 Do you actually have to see someone die? Doesn't it say you have to see death? Hermione did see the veil of death in the department of mysteries.
@@walsh9080 yes you have to witness someone die in front of you and be able to process the death after the fact to see thestrals. So Hermione seeing the veil does not give her the ability to see thestrals
One of my biggest questions is how Percy got 12 OWLS, but when Hermione tried this she needed a time turner and still couldn’t cope?
The lesson schedule was different for his year I suppose… it is mentioned that hermione is the first student in at least a very long time to get a time turner so yea… percy very likely didnt
OWLs happen in the 5th year. Hermione was using the time turner in her 3rd year and gave it up after that.
Percy was just built different
@@ZacksHacks Yes, but presumably you'd have to have studied that subject from at least year 3. You finish your degree in year 3 or 4 of most courses, but you still have to do years 1 and 2 to understand the material afterwards.
@@JordanIdk Who said you had to sit the class to sit the OWL? A big part of Percy's attitude was academic achievement to get a good position at the Ministry. It went far enough that in his Sixth Year he ignored what was going on with his little sister in favor of his studies and his relationship with Penelope Clearwater.
I'm surprised I haven't seen the Time Turners mentioned. The single most powerful item in the whole universe. Allows going back in time and altering the present/future. Come on. And they have a ton of them. And give it to a teenage girl to be able to attend more classes. Ridiculous.
In reality, with this ridiculous item present, the entire plot of HP would turn into the plot of the Terminator.
I think it finds ( although a very bad one) a justification when she explains that she had to fill hundreds of papers for it and that she would be presumably under surveillance by McGonagall. She only used it for any other purpose when Dumbledore gave her clearance for it. I think they are also not mentioned because whenever time travel is introduced in a story, it will undoubtedly create plot holes( i still can find a single piece of fiction where its used without creating problems in the story).
I always wondered why the potion books weren't updated. Even Hermione had a difficult time brewing a proper potion with "Advanced Potion Making." Also, Snape could have made a fortune with his adjustments.
Many real life textbooks kids use in school are like 20 years old lol
some people dont care for stuff like that. Dumbledore seeemed to care very little about optimizing his school, Snape certainly didnt care for teaching and the potions in the book by hermione weren't bad. I guess, that snape optimized also for the ingredients which grow in hogwards, which could have different effect than somewhere else. On the other hand, ingredients of plants have usually high fluctuation and you'd need an experienced wizard to make it perfect, not just a simple recipe.
Snape hated students and hated teaching anything that wasn't DADA that he was denied every year when he applied. He's only really teaching because volde wanted his agent close to fumbledore and he needed to stay at Hogwarts. His job is probably the most dangerous class and hates the kids so why bother really giving them an education
Optimizations really. It is like learning how to Solve a math problem by the textbook, and learning the Shortcuts later so you don't have to keep using the textbook manner later. It could also be that they textbook writer wanted the manufacturing process for a sleeping potion so powerful that the pulse of the drinker is nigh undetectable kept at a high level difficulty and possibly require cross referencing with instructions in the Restricted Section of the Hogwarts Library.
I think Snape would have been selfish with that knowledge because he wanted to come off as better than everyone else at it. He would not have wanted others to reach his level of success. It also mentions that he made spells in the book and he doesn't share those with others either
A part I always considered a major plot hole is that Harry discovered the entrance of the chamber of secrets but Dumbledore couldn't. Harry found out that Myrtle was the girl that died 50 years ago and asked her "how did you die?". But Dumbledore was there 50 years ago and he knew that Myrtle was the girl who died. So why, when the chamber was opened again, didn't he immediately go to Myrtle and ask her everything about her death? It seems pretty strange that a wizard like Dumbledore couldn't figure this out. Of course he wouldn't be able to open the chamber but still he would know where the entrance was.
See, to me, he did know but was letting Harry get there on his own. It’s more evidence that feeds the Dumbledore is a sociopath argument because like… Dumbledore reveals in Hallows he was grooming Harry to beat Voldy… and so he probably DID know the chamber was there but wanted Harry to get stronger… POINT BEING he really just let Ginny get taken so Harry could figure it out. 💀
Dumbledore defffffo knew where it was. In my opinion lol
that's easy, Dumbledore doesn't speak parseltongue, for one, and the chamber of secrets is opened by a parcelmouth- which Harry happens to be because of his connection to Voldemort, and why Ginny could open it when Tom Riddle possessed her, but I DO think Dumbledore knew where it was, I just think he allowed things to happen so he could access it/let Harry take care of it as per usual.
@@HanonSama I didn't say he could open it, I just said he should be able to find where the entrance was. And it would be pretty irresponsible of him to just let Harry find it, since there was the danger of people dying...
@@peter14km except that I said that I thought Dumbledore knew where the entrance was...he just let Harry take care of it...
The sorting hat. It's an incredibly powerful magical object that can listen, speak, has consciousness, and can essentially read minds. Imagine what uses that could have... And it's primary role is to sort first year students into houses.
I was half expecting the Sorting Hat to turn out to be a Horcrux. Perhaps containing a fragment of all four Founders' souls.
@@jbrisby Naw, it was a single function enchantment done by the Founders to pick which students had the mentality for which house at the time they are sorted. It was not capable of truly complex thoughts like the Soul in the Diary TMR. That being said, much like Peeves the Poltergeist as a poltergeist is not a ghost but is rather an amalgamation of over a Thousand Years of magic and mental energy of students attending Hogwarts the hat developed a slight amount of Whimsy to create an introductory song.
@@aaronorr5586 wrong it's literally sentient philosphers stone chapter 7 states this and JK rowlings has said so as well
@@houseofaction "The Sorting Hat is one of the cleverest enchanted objects most witches and wizards will ever meet. It literally contains the intelligence of the four founders, can speak (through a rip near its brim) and is skilled at Legilimency, which enables it to look into the wearer’s head and divine his or her capabilities or mood.
The famous Hogwarts Sorting Hat gives an account of its own genesis in a series of songs sung at the beginning of each school year. Legend has it that the hat once belonged to one of the four founders, Godric Gryffindor, and that it was jointly enchanted by all four founders to ensure that students would be sorted into their eponymous houses, which would be selected according to each founder’s particular preferences in students.
The Sorting Hat is one of the cleverest enchanted objects most witches and wizards will ever meet. It literally contains the intelligence of the four founders, can speak (through a rip near its brim) and is skilled at Legilimency, which enables it to look into the wearer’s head and divine his or her capabilities or mood. It can even respond to the thoughts of the wearer.
The Sorting Hat is notorious for refusing to admit it has made a mistake in its sorting of a student. On those occasions when Slytherins behave altruistically or selflessly, when Ravenclaws flunk all their exams, when Hufflepuffs prove lazy yet academically gifted and when Gryffindors exhibit cowardice, the Hat steadfastly backs its original decision. On balance, however, the Hat has made remarkably few errors of judgement over the many centuries it has been at work. "
~From "The Wizarding World"
"The Sorting Hat does not appear in my earliest plans for Hogwarts. I debated several different methods for sorting students (because I knew from early on that there would be four houses, all with very different qualities). The first was an elaborate, Heath Robinson-ish machine that did all kinds of magical things before reaching a decision, but I did not like it: it felt at once too complicated, and too easy. Next I placed four statues of the four founders in the Entrance Hall, which came alive and selected students from the throng in front of them while the school watched. This was better, but still not quite right. Finally, I wrote a list of the ways in which people can be chosen: eeny meeny miny mo, short straws, chosen by team captains, names out of a hat - names out of a talking hat - putting on a hat - the Sorting Hat."
No where does it say that the Hat is literally sentient. This is all "Word of God" where it comes to what is Canon Harry Potter vs. Fanon. She never describes it as being sentient but rather as a very clever enchantment that can enter into the heads of children and draw out their motives through legilimency. Futhermore if the sorting hat was sentient it would have been able to sense it was on fire or at least was surrounded by magical flames towards the end of the Deathly Hallows when Voldemort lit it up on Neville's head.
@@aaronorr5586 it literally says it has the intelligence of the 4 founders and can speak. It also says it argues when challenged on a student being in the wrong house. Sounds pretty darn sentient to me. It thinks and makes decisions that can be wrong.
You say that J.K. Rowling carefully planned the series for years, but it always seemed to me that she made a lot of stuff up as she went along, eventually retconning some plot points and devices if needed, later.
same...I still think so. I suspect she had the basic bones worked out and then made it up as she went along....
Uhm basically a fantasy? Which is one of the genres. Honestly I get it, plotholes make you question things. But I think it's important to remember that it's all fiction. So what if there are plotholes? Just enjoy the ride, you either hate it or love it, however, it's always baffling to me how people get so picky over something that basically spawned from someone else's imagination. You're basically trying to apply reason to someone else's mind, caging their weird and absurd ideas, which make these stories fun in the first place.
@@SensitiveSavage I am able to enjoy a plot despite its errors. I wasn't saying that HP is bad, that was never the point. I was debating whether Rowling "carefully planned" the setting and the series, which for me she didn't. That's it. Whether is enjoyable to read or not it's another debate.
And by the way, "it's a fantasy" is the laziest defense for plot holes there is. Is like saying that a morning cartoon is "for children" so it can be bad and stupid.
I like to nitpick precisely because I love stories, and I respect the craft. Movies, shows and books that I consume without thinking are generally the ones that I don't really like or I don't care about for some reason (most sit-coms are in this category).
@@fostena No, cartoons aren't children only. But at a certain point I realized it doesn't matter. like I said I dislike plotholes as well, and sometimes I even start pointing certain things out, but when it hits me that it's basically a fantasy, I immediately start laughing that I got so worked up about something fictional. When you think about it, life itself is full of plotholes, with people trying to discover the origins of life, and the existence of certain things we can't explain. It's when you realize that, that you become much less bothered about things like that. I wasn't specifically referring to you, about nitpicking. You're free to do so, just don't let it get to you too much, and try not to give author's etc, such a hard time. They're human too, and this is coming from someone who enjoys writing as well (I'm not a professional writer or something, but I do dabble), you can spend years trying to come up with the perfect story, and yet there will always be something someone else thinks is missing, even you, as the writer. But you just got to put it out there, better to have people enjoying an incomplete story, rather than no story at all, if you tried to fill in every little detail, and constantly corrected things.
Yea shes been doing it for years. More recently to appeal to certain audiences by making Dumbledore gay out of thin air.
I think this is one of the biggest arguements for why Grindelwald was greater than Voldemort, Grindelwald was so powefull he was fighting a full scale war against the entire wizarding world whilst Voldemort only fough in Britain.
Yeah, Voldemort is much more ruthless so it kinda impacts more fear. Is basically soft power versus hard power. Grindelwald is much more mature and less impulsive, he really plans and study before acting, while Voldemort is basically moved by pure emotion
Yeah, and I thought his plan WAS to eventually take over the world. He was still gaining in power each time he was taken down
Isn't it implied that Britain had the strongest wizards and a very long tradition of a magical community? It's more impressive to take down a major military power than it is to bully a bunch of undefended, unprepared countries. Voldermort doesn't seem to encounter much resistance when he's in Albania or Germany when going after Gregorovitch. Plus, Grindelwald was eventually defeated by a British wizard and even Aberforth was capable of holding his own against him, forcing Albus to intervene.
Grindelwald studied in Durmstrang where dark arts was taught by qualified teachers, so his was taught by the best.
@Joshua Butler the difference is that, unlike Voldemort who had Fudge to give him the time to build up, Grindelwald was under attack from the french, American, Brazillian(as thats confirmed to be the location of the next big battle) and British Aurors. His hideouts was up north so he probably faced Aurors from the northern ministries (perhaps Bulgaria, this isn’t confirmed though)
Regarding Voldemort not making Unbreakable Vows with Death Eaters, I think he would have regarded making an unbreakable vow with a new Death Eater as cowardice. He thinks that no one will betray him and even if someone does, he/she will pose no harm to him and he will simply dispose of them. Voldemort could have chosen to take the safe path, but taking it would not have suited well with his arrogance.
And dumbledore would never rob someone of their freedom (using this or veretisirum)
They are free to make the choices they make... even if there are consequences. I imagine he would not want to force someone to put their life at risk like that just to prove their on their side... like how he wouldn't use an unforgivable curse
@@lalacustard Yes exactly.
I'd say it's simpler than that for Voldemort. If someone betrayed him, he wouldn't want them to simply die from the broken vow, he'd want to do it himself.
@@lalacustard except Dumbledore *does* rob someone of their freedom. He used an unbreakable vow to keep Snape as his spy by taking advantage of his grief and having the vow center around Harry. Whatever noble reasons he had, it doesn’t change the fact that he did use a vow to control Snape. The way to hell is paved with good intentions, after all.
@@ChronicRen I've read the books several times. I don't remember Dumbledore making an unbreakable vow with Snape. He does ask Snape to make Lily's death worth it by protecting Harry... And Snape asks him not to tell anyone.
I’ve got two no one talks about.. 1. When Harry is transported to the graveyard, he uses expelliarmus etc.. but he’s outside school and underage, so why wasn’t it known to the ministry? They should have got a report that he used magic? And 2. Both Snape and Lupin use the marauders map to see that the golden trio were in the grounds with Peter Pettigrew.. but somehow they didn’t see there were 2 Harrys and 2 Hermoines? They were just out of site, Lupin even says he saw 4 names, but should have seen 6? Mind you, I think the biggest plot hole is why more people don’t disapparate.. when the 3 are caught in the tent in Deathly Hallows, they could have just disappeared, ok, they would have lost the tent, but they wouldn’t have been taken. Frankly they should have just decided on a place that if any of them were ever caught, they’d go there and the others could find them.
1) My guess is that the Ministry wouldn't have detected that Harry was the one who specifically used magic - but they would've detected that there is magical force in that graveyard which is fine - muggles weren't around.
2) The 2 HPs and HGs - probably the map didn't show the ones using a time-turned - again, just a theory, not a valid explanation.
3) The disapparate question - good one, but I think that the tent is very important for them - because they're only human and used it as shelter. ALSO - and this is more important - perhaps the Death Eaters placed some curses that prevent disapparation - just like they did in Hogsmeade when the trio shows up there, the cat alarms are triggered and the trio cannot disapparate again. So I suppose when you trigger the taboo, the DEs automatically do curses to prevent disapparation. Again - just a guess.
To add to Martin's answer, the first point of your comment is actually explained in the books. The Ministry cannot detect who performed a spell, they cannot identify the wizard. All they know is someone did a spell at the graveyard. They know when Harry does spells when he's at home because he's the only wizard registered there. But if Harry was living in a family of other wizards and did a spell, it wouldn't trigger any response from the Ministry because it's assumed that parents exercise control over their children.
The two Harry's and Hermione's could have been shown on different pages of the map so it wouldn't be noticeable. Also it's more of a map of the Castle. It doesn't show all of the grounds.
To answer your 3rd point. They couldn't disapparate as Voldemort's name use jinx closes the air to the disapparate charm.
1. I think we could go even further with the Ministry explanations and say that they don't bother to monitor magic when school is in session, because why would a student be outside of campus?
2. I think it's probably that the map wasn't designed to show people who have traveled through time. Either because the Marauders didn't consider time travel (maybe didn't know it was possible) and/or the map defaults so show the primary/original person in the event of two in the same place/time.
3. Wasn't this long after Ron got splinced? They may not have wanted to chance it again, given what happened then. Not that getting caught was better, but they may have decided before hand not to do it
House Elves seem to be the most powerful magic creatures in the world (or close to it). They can use magic at will without wands, and even circumvent human spells, such as apparating into Hogwarts or the Malfoy's despite the wards against it. It seems like their power could be used by either side to quickly and easily win the war.
I always took the teleportation into the Malfoy Manor as a oversight by the Malfoys to not put protective spells against elves although I never thought about their apparition into Hogwarts.
@@Filo-gx6qb Yeah, house elves aren't affected by wizard's protection spells.
This is where wizard hatred comes into play. Most don't care enough about magical creatures to really care to use them. Unless it's things like dementors or giants who are obviously good at things. House Elves go very unnoticed.
If you see someone as a lesser being, you become ignorant not only to the obvious but to your own reality
@@sarahriddle2241 What a random comment that has nothing to do with our discussion.
Pettigrew on the map:
I've had a lot of theories about this. One I heard was only marauders could see marauders and the theory could work in book canon.
But one thing you have to remember is this map was made by pranksters, for pranksters. F&G must have first noticed Peter by Percy and then Ron, and after not seeing this "Peter" dude they must have figured it was a joke. They didn't have a marauder around to tell them the map doesn't lie. So after not being able to find Pettigrew, they've figured the map was trying to trick them.
Also, why would Fred and George be looking for Ron? They were busy looking at it to get away with things not to search out people to see what they were up to.
@@sath2749 very good point
@@sath2749 they would be looking for Percy so he can't tell on them to their parents. Scabbers was Percy's before being Ron's. Percy got an owl in his 5th year (Ron's 1st year) upon becoming Prefect.
@@Kitsuchin perhaps just by chance the times they saw Percy on the map to watch out for him, peter was off somewhere??
@@ECxTheMaster they’d look far more than just once though, considering they were at Hogwarts with Percy for years. It really was just a plot hole that didn’t make sense
One thing that always gets me is in the 5th book, voldemort spends the whole year luring Harry to the department of mysteries to get the prophecy because he doesn't want to risk coming to the ministry himself for fear of exposure but yet turns up anyway when harry is there and ends up revealing himself!
He only goes there because he knows its gone wrong and the death eaters needed help. He didn't plan it like that
Only Harry can retrieve the prophecy, not Voldemort.
@@lulub1433 no Voldemort can definitely retrieve the prophecy.
Oh ok, yes I see. I think it's cause he wants to kill Harry, not caring who would catch him afterwards as he is the one standing in his way.
Lucius says that prophecies can only be retrieved by those about whom they are made.
The most confusing part for me is the fact that it is common for young magical children to perform wandless magic accidentally, but it is said to be near impossible and impressive for adults.
There's a school in Africa that teaches wandless magic almost exclusively.
I think impossible and impressive for adults because it's intentional and controlled. Things happen accidentally all the time without intention. Being able to harness that skill set and use it on command without a wand is more difficult and impressive than if you do it on accident. Just my interpretation!
Africa so poor their students don’t use wands
Because once they get older they've been indoctrinated to believe a wand is necessary for magic, a wand that can be regulated and the history of which can be viewed. In reality a wand isn't necessary for magic at all, it's just an aid, a conductor, but they become dependent on it to the point their natural ability gets weaker. Like how kids can easily do the splits and adults mostly can't because they stopped training those muscles. If you never stop training them you can do it easily. It's all about controlling the population. I bet if a magical child grew up with no knowledge of wands or incantations, they'd learn to do everything they needed wandlessly and wordlessly.
That was always my belief anyway 🤷♀️
Theres an easy explanation for this- Emotion. Its a strong emotional state that causes accidental magic to occur and children have much stronger emotions than adults do.
For instance, a child having a tantrum can be so angry they can hold thier breath until they pass out. No adult is capable of the same.
Accidental, or wandless, magic is unusual in adults because out of control emotional states are trained out of us at a young age
I think it’s nearly impossible to create a world full of magic, as well as a good story with high stakes built from characters limitations without there being some major plot holes. While not perfect, I think JK did as good a job as anyone could do in establishing rules for the magical world while also creating the sense of endless wonder that a magical story should create.
Bro not for George RR Martin and his series A Song of Ice and Fire
George Garr Garr Marteenee little wee wee presents
A game of pee pee poo poo
A clash of cringe
A storm of poo
A song of piss and fecal matter
A dance of hardened poo
The winds of sewer
@@Shak2k11 What George did in 5 books is impressive. I will say is that the extent to which magic is used is much more limited, which makes it easier to create consistent rules.
I would suggest reading better fantasy books then...
Absolutely true! I agree 1000 percent…can we be friends
In defense of not using unbreakable vow regularly. The good guys simply wouldn't do it, ethical reasons, and Voldemort believes he would know if he was being deceived, arrogance, and would likely wish to carry out punishments of his own Accord if he were deceived.
I wonder if the horcruxes somehow made Voldemort unable to make an unbreakable vow, or lessened their
effectiveness.
There's also the question of incompetence; say you swear to something you just _can't_ do? Do you die?
Wouldn't be great to have your followers dropping dead because they overpromised.
And even if you want to talk in more general terms... What does 'you will do as I say' really mean, unless you are explicit about literally everything? Snape swears an unbreakable vow and is still actually a double agent.
And what if you have two conflicting unbreakable vows? Doesn't even need to be explicit; what if I swear allegiance to Dumbledore with one vow, and Voldemort with another? Do I just die? Do they cancel eachother out? Can I only have one vow active at a time?
If it's the last, which honestly, is the only one which makes any sense to me, then it probably wouldn't be very common, simply because anyone could easily claim they've already sworn a vow. Not like the person trying to force you to swear a vow can just tell you to your existing one.
Sorry, Voldy, can't. I swore to be BFFs with some kid in my third year at Hogwarts.
Also, who would just casually do unbreakable curses?? It`s extremely dangerous. If you screw up, you die.
Also, does the Hogwarts Express really only run from King's Cross to Hogsmeade, non-stop? If we take Neville for instance, who is clearly from Yorkshire (in the films at least). That's roughly half way between London and Scotland. Why does he have to go London to get a train back up, past Yorkshire, and on to Hogwarts? And what about Cho Chang and Oliver Wood? Do they really have to go from Scotland, to London, back to Scotland again? We definitely see Cho do this in the films. Why is everything so London-centric?
explained later but j.k that the train is not in london, the platfrom that they go to is teleport them to a new place just outside london, and these how those people get to the train but local port of there own. it still silly for someone to be ported to london just to come back.she said since we only see it from harry POV we know know of that one portal, but there is others.
@@donaldcurry1020 if they get teleported why not move the location closer to the school so you don't have to take the train at all, or at least make it a very short trip?
@@jimmyh2137 yeah lol if they can make them teleport, why don't they just teleport them to hogwarts????
@@battycatty6829 best guess? So that someone who wants to cause serious harm at Hogwarts isn't just brought there by walking into a random pillar at a train station.
I always wondered why go through the trouble of having the train it seems like a great risk of being seen going through the wall why not just have port keys set up in certain locations to transfer the kids into the village.
I read somewhere that protraits can gain the personality and thought process of the original so long as the person spends time with the portrait. Talking to it and sharing memories basically allows it to be an extended part of you. That's why dumbledore's is quite smart as opposed to another headmaster's which was a bit dull because the guy died not long after it was finished (therefore not being able to spend time with it). Maybe the gryffindoor lady also spent time with hers considering she could hold convos with the students and remember different passwords.
The portrait thing just being a memory is just a Cursed Child addition, which I do not approve of anyways
Sirius alone creates a bunch of problems:
1. Beginning of Philosopher's Stone: Dumbledore doesn't ask any questions when Hagrid says he borrowed Sirius's bike, despite Sirius being the one presumed to have betrayed the Potters.
2. Owls always found Sirius when he was on the run, so why couldn't the Ministry?
3. Why did no castle portraits see Sirius breaking in/tell the staff about how he got in and where he went.
First is clear: Hagrid did not know it then. In book three he even talks about it. Three also: The Fat Lady did see him and told it as soon as she was found, but nobody knew Sirius was an animagus. He could sneak in and every picture (they do not care about everything going on in Hogwarts neither) would see him as a strange shadow or a beast like the mystical Grim. 2 is the only plothole, but he maybe knew a spell where he could only be found by owls who know him (I think that is the given reason he sent Pig to Ron and Pig showed Hedwig the way).
Harry was delivered to the Dursley's mere hours after his parent's death, maybe as quick as 30 minutes, it's not clear. The altercation between Sirius and Peter happened, as it is described "in broad daylight" meaning it was at least the next morning, if not several days after.
As for the owls, it's a bit more tricky. It could be that they did try it and it didn't work, but the more likely option is there's no reliable way to track where the owl goes or to get the information of when it arrives to it's destination in a timely way. Sirius obviously wouldn't open mysterious mail and was constantly on the run before settling into the cave with buckbeak for those few months after his escape from Hogwarts, and even if the ministry were to track an owl of it did find it, not only can be apparate, he's an animagus and could blend in much easier as a wild dog rather than a human. In the months between his escape from Hogwarts with buckbeak and the growing concern regarding security for the Triwizard cup, it's likely that they had bigger things to worry about
I think the owls have their own form of magic, and since they’re pretty smart, they would avoid any pursuer and shake them off before reaching a recipient who’s in hiding. Seems wizards don’t understand how it works themselves
Not to mention it doesn't specify when Hagrid got the motorcycle from Sirius. He could have had it for months before the potters death
1. Hagrid had no idea
2. Because owls were everywhere and Sirius was good at hiding himself from people than owls
3. They did, but he was one step ahead
In Chamber of Secrets (Book, not film) there is a bit where Hermione's parents are exchanging muggle money for wizard money I think at Gringotts Bank. Therefore there must have been an exchange rate so regulating the currency.
Yep
See HPMOR for an interesting take on this.
I cant remember which book, but I distinctly remember hermione said her parents gave her gallions for some special holiday or birthday and thats had me stumped for so long. Maybe they do exchange currency but how would they have gotten into diagon alley? Theyre muggles
One other solution is that because the wizarding world is international, they won't go to diagon alley from all around the world (the place would be full nonstop) so just as in our world, other countries can have different currency.
@@glass9137 It was third book when she bought chrookshanks. I mean...why wouldn't they go to Diagon Alley, they are her parents, she's 13 and she needs to do her shopping lmao. They already know about magical world...
I think the established line about portraits is bunk. They can feel emotion, why else would the fat lady be upset about being slashed and torn, or greave for Dumbledore after Harry tells her it's true. The portraits in the head masters office also show emotion, like Dexter Fortescue being outraged along with the others when Phineas Nigellus refuses to assist Dumbledore by seeking out Sirius. There's also the fact that Dumbledore's portrait is fully aware of the situation with his plan regarding Harry in the Deathly Hallows when speaking with Snape.
They can even get drunk.
I agree w/you. The Fat Lady got drunk, she told Harry a lie about the password. They seem to be sentient to me.
Also the portraits of the previous headmasters are sworn to serve the current headmaster. Harry even hears them brainstorming with Dumbledore and possibly even giving him advice.
Besides if portraits don’t have memories, how come Serius’ mother constantly insults the guests staying at Grimmauld Place.
There is definitely proof that the portraits have memory, and if you think about it, that means that the knowledge of hundreds of (possibly great) witches and wizards are literally on the walls of hogwarts. And I think that’s a very schoolchildren/teenage thing, to have all this great knowledge and history at your disposal, and not think it’s super cool or important 😅
I know there's some lore about the current headmaster has their portrait painted when they the position and then spend all their time filling it with useful information about themselves and that makes them far more sentient. I may be wrong.
i always had a problem with slughorns memory. in the end, it didn't give dumbledore anything he didn't already know. you can't tell me slughorn knew what a horcrux was and dumbledore doesn't. he had already started with the ring and the locket. doesn't make any sense that he needed this memory confirmed
So true;! The only new thing they learn from this memory is that Voldemort created 7 horcruxes, but even that didn’t seem to come as a surprise to Dumbledore. So Harrys whole quest to get this memory from slughorn is basically for nothing
Dumbledore had to confirm about the Horcruxes and he probably wanted more information on what Voldemort exactly did
I think he needed confirmation on exactly how many were created. Without it there was no way of knowing when it would be safe to try and take him out.
I think Dumbledore needed confirmation of how many were created and also whether there were any other details of note in the conversation between Slughorn and Riddle that might make a difference. As we know from Snape overhearing Trelawney’s prophecy, half-stories can be very dangerous. You need to make sure you know all the details when embarking on something as important as a horcrux hunt.
The memory revealed the amount of horcruxes though...
I'm not over time-turners. Like you're telling me somebody couldn't go back a few hours and device a trap for Pettigrew or Snape at the end of book 3? Or even simply go and clear the marauders map laying in lupins office so Snape couldn't see them and follow them? Why didn't they just knock Pettigrew out instead of letting him be conscious? Just stupefy him and let him float back to the castle....
I'm just sad, I wanted Sirius to be free so him and Harry could hang out
Pay attention while reading and how time turners work, and you'll see the stupidity of your argument
How about Snape and Lily? He wouldn't try it?
@lyriczz_xx the problem is I don't believe for a second that people with access to these things wouldn't use them for problems that overwhelm your logic with emotion. The death of a son or a daughter or a spouse, for example.
@lyriczz_xx but if Harry ignored her? It breaks everything. Time turners don’t make any sense
Or just kill tom riddle as a child?
Or stop his mother from using a love potion on his dad so your soul would still be intact?
Or go back in time to make the potters use sirius or even better themselves and just destroy his horcruxes in the past and just avada kedavra him?
A lot of things could be done with them to make the future better even if it means creating a huge butterfly effect and probably altering a lot of things.
at the first meeting of Harry and Draco, Draco says: "My father is next door buying my books and mother's up the street looking at wands"
I understood that as his mother is buying him a wand, while later on you learn that buying a wand is a very personal affair, requiring the presence of the wielder him/her self. I think Narcissa was far too upperty to leave it at windowshopping.
Plot hole or no plot hole?
In pureblood wizarding familes People often inherit their wands from their predecessors like Lucius malfoy who inherited his wand from his father Abraxas. And I don't think a family such as the malfoys would care about wands choosing their owners especially since you could so easily gain another wands allegiance even if it did not choose you. So no plot hole
@@morning7136 i disagree on the allegiance bit. some wands are flexible some are not
How about Ron's first wand? That's one of the most glaring mistakes. Ron says it is Charlie's old wand. Not a family wand going down through generations, but specifically his older brother's wand. It doesn't make sense at all. Why would Charlie give up his wand? To make it even worse, in Deathly Hallows, when Hermione is explaining Harry the bond between a wizard/witch and their first wand, she tells him to remember what happened to Ron after he broke his wand and how "it was never the same". Implying Charlie's old wand somehow chose Ron...
@@jpruedag No. In the deathly Hallows Hermione was saying how harry's broken wand can't be fixed just like Rons. It was permanently damaged. It was never the same
@@jpruedag Probably Charlie got a job and could buy a propper wand, although it is not said he could have been using a hand-me-down too at Hogwarts.
“In order to truely master the wand, you must become it’s true master”… what a sentence
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Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes!
In order to eat the food, you need to swallow it.
One thing that always stumped me with the Marauders Map is how.....how did the Weasleys fugue out how it worked?
I believe it might have some form of consciousness like the diary of Tom Riddle, but not exactly the same. If it does hold a form of awareness then that’s how. The same with the portraits I think a bit of the original person soul imprints… which would toe the line on what’s really a horcrux or not, and what elements keep it from not being so.
@@yhwhschild5401 that makes the most sense considering there was a lot of magic to go into the map so why not at least a variation of the imprinting soul magic used to make the portraits.
JK Rowling answered this. Fred and George tried for days, saying everything they could think of. The map sensed that they were truly up to know good, so it pushed them in the right direction and gave them hints until they finally figured it out.
I’ve always been confused about how snape has conversations with quirrel and is very obviously Loyal to dumbledore in the first book IN FRONT of Voldemort, and Voldemort doesn’t notice??
Because that was snapes job as voldys death eater. To act like he was a good guy. So I guess voldemort would of assumed Snape was still acting.
In the half blood prince they explain this. Snape tells Bellatrix and Narcissa that he thought that was just Quirell who wanted to stole the Stone, he says that if he had known that that person was Voldemort, he would have helped him (of course he was lying, but this is what he says to Death Eaters)
I noted another plot hole in the third book. When Lupin finds Serius, Harry, Ron and Hermione in the Shrieking Shack, he claims that he knew they were there because he saw them on the Maurauders Map, surely if this was the case he would have seen two versions of Harry and Hermoine as they had gone back in time and were only 30/40 feet behind them🧐 surely Lupin would have been rather confused
Thats a good find! Never thought of that. :) I suppose its possible, if inplausible, he only did a quick look at the map though, only focusing on the names closest til Peter and Sirius.
Well spotted. Might be that people using a time turner don't show up on the map.
Damn. Now there is question for Rowling.
Over 1000 names appear on the map, in the short time he looked I’m sure he wasn’t reading them all.
Time loop continuum. Doc Brown can explain better than I.
My favorite plothole is in (I think) the second book, where someone says that Hagrid, when he was a student, raised werewolf cubs under his bed. So... he literally had human babies living under his bed for all but one night a month where they transformed? lol wtf Rowling.
When two werewolves maid in their werewolves forms their offspring are very intelligent regulair looking wolves. When a werewolve has offspring but conceived in his human form it will just be a regulair human, look at teddy the son of lupin. Dont know for 100% what happens when two werewolves maid in human form but i guess still normal humans.
I can see hagrid raising some wolve cups.
@@Azrael4Real I believe there was an article on Pottermore that talked about the werewolves in the dark forest. Two werewolves had mated in their wolf form, and as you had mentioned, the offspring born were highly intelligent wolf cubs. These cubs were released into the dark forest, which in turn gave rise to the myth that there were werewolves in the forest, when they were actually a bunch of wolves.
That was said in jest though..
@@grantwileyesq.5962 Or it was just a rumor but wasn't actually true
This is the funniest comment I've read in years
Idk if it's a plot hole but it's a glaring oversight for the characters, that in DH, Harry is gifted a magical pouch only the owner can open and he never thinks to put the locket there and avoid the Horcruxs negative effects
It is mentioned in the book, that he doesn’t want to put it in the pouch. If it is the locket’s doing or not I don’t know, but the explanation for wearing it is definitely there.
@@mukke9728 I actually did interpret this as a genuine effect of the locket on the wearer, to want to keep it close. I actually appreciate this subtly. What I find more disappointing is that the pouch is never utilized for its capacity at all iirc.
@@mukke9728 I don't remember that I just remember them saying they shouldn't leave it lying around in the tent
I always thought it was a pothole that Harry was a horcrux and himself is not immune to another horcrux effects seemed weird. You'd think one piece of Tom saw would recognize another
While I don’t think an explanation was given in the books, I thought one up immediately. What would they have done if Harry had DIED with the locket or any other intact piece of voldemorts soul inside the pouch?! I’m sure there’s some way to get into the pouch anyways, you could likely just toss the whole thing into that cursed fire that engulfs the room of requirements, but that’s unstable and they wouldn’t have been able to make any safely. I would assume other ways of destroying the pouch to get to the horcrux would be similarly difficult or dangerous. Best to keep it where it’s accessible to the whole group.
With the Secret Keeper thing, I am less than convinced that magic lets you play fast and loose with loopholes like that. Magic seems far more concerned with the spirit of how it should operate far more than letter of how it operates. For example, it was Harry's *intent* to leave 4 Privet Drive that broke the enchantments around 4 Privet Drive. It was Harry's intent to die for his friends that allowed his protection to cover them (as he explicitly points out to Voldemort which Voldemort replies with "but you didn't die" which Harry dismisses as not relevant)
If we then apply that concept of intent, then the intent of trying to possess your own secret within yourself foundationally violates the nature of the secret. The purpose is to have one person to embody your secret and to place your trust. The foundational magic is trust and to try and bypass the trust with some loophole ignores these very established concepts of magic's nature.
Rules lawyers need not apply to be wizards
That doesnt make sense since iirc bill weasley was his own secret keeper for shell cottage
@@NHarts3 that can also be solved through the intent route. It involves your way of thinking. Fleur/ the Order entrusted him with the secret of this safe house. He is not entrusting himself, he is not thinking of it as entrusting himself.
In that way it is a loophole, but it is possible that the Potters tried this but could not sufficiently convince themselves of the veracity of this claim and it thus failing. My question is rather why not Dumbledore? They trusted him and his capture or death was something they likely would have thought of as a loss of the war.
Whatever it was. I still think they should have made dumbledore the secret keeper. I mean, it was the best and obvious choice. And if it lead to voldemort waging war against dumbledore directly, it’s a win as the entire wizarding world would stand against voldemort and all his followers will be outnumbered.
I'd add that in the first book we are shown that wizards are not good with logic like that because in a world operating on magic they don't need it. Which is why smart and muggle born Hermione was capable of solving the potions riddle guarding the philosopher's stone, which wizards would consider gibberish (scene not included in the movie).
@@NHarts3 And Arthur was a secretkeeper for the Burrow.
About Thestrals, it's interesting that J.K Rowling uses the words "see" and "saw" (which implies you need to view it with your eyes) in relation to Harry's parents' and Quirrell's death, but the word "witnessed" in relation to Cedric's death. Because all Harry "saw" of Cedric's death was "a flash of green light" through his closed eyelids, much like he only saw a flash of green light when his parents died:
"And then, without warning, Harry's scar exploded with pain. It was agony such as he had never felt in all his life; his wand slipped from his fingers as he put his hands over his face; his knees buckled; he was on the ground and *he could see nothing at all* ; his head was about to split open.
From far away, above his head, he heard a high, cold voice say, "Kill the spare. "
A swishing noise and a second voice, which screeched the words to the night: "Avada Kedavra!"
*A blast of green light blazed through Harry's eyelids* , and he heard something heavy fall to the ground beside him; the pain in his scar reached such a pitch that he retched, and then it diminished; *terrified of what he was about to see, he opened his stinging eyes* ."
So he never actually "saw" Cedric's death.
See doesn’t necessarily imply with your own eyes. We can play word games but Harry DID see Cedric die. Only technically he didn’t, but that’s just semantics.
As a baby, you can’t say the Harry “witnessed” or saw or whatever his parents die the same way he witnessed Cedric die. Completely different perspective
You are reading too much into this he was there when Cedric died
To actually see thestrals, you must be able to process and witness death. Harry's eyes were closed yes but he heard someone say kill the spare, avada kedavra and the light. He knew Cedric died. Technically in that way he witnessed and processed that he had died because he could be the only one to die at that moment
He saw his dead body, idk if that counts though.
Maybe Harry witnessed his spirit leaving the body, since he stood over him right? Does that count as death?
Concerning the Unbreakable Vow: Considering how a lot of magic like this in the HP universe involves the soul, it wouldn't surprise me if being a party to a Vow would be impossible for Voldemort as he doesn't have an intact soul. Also, I don't think he would ever want to be bound to another person through magic, even if they were the ones binding their debt to him, and not vice versa. He would still have a bond with them, and I don't think he'd like that at all.
He could still have death eaters swear unbreakable vows to a trusted servant (Snape or Bellatrix). Then he wouldn't be tied to them in any way. However, Voldemort was very arrogant and probably wouldn't have resorted to that anyways.
true. literally has a weaker soul than peter pettigrew. i think.
@@Dubzoid Voldemort would never have placed his army under the command of one of his servants no matter how "trusted" they were. Also, it's possible the whole concept didn't appeal to him as it made him dependent on the specific wording of the oath. Far easier to have followers who were too terrified to betray him (as he perceived them to be).
Additionally I can very well imagine that voldemort just enjoys it to occasionally kill some traitor by his own hand just to show his power.
Theres also the angle that perhaps the bond requires some level of good will from the other side.
"you must promise to never try harm me, but tomorrow i might try to kill you"
if there is any kind of requirement of behaviour from the recipient of the vow Voldemort would never desire one.
My favorite is why Dumbledore didn't just use the Fidaleous charm to hide the location of the Philosopher's stone and make himself the secret keeper. NO ONE would have been able to find it unless he wanted them to
Clearly Dumbledore wanted Harry to meet with the head of Voldemort. The stone was already perfectly safe from Voldemort's hands inside that mirror, so everything else was essentially just dangerous decorations that 1st years could handle.
@Number Hunter62 even before the Stone was in Hogwarts at all. He could have Charmed it when it was still in Gringotts and it would have been 100% safe
6.) The Marauders Map: Fred and George had the map a full two years before Ron even arrived at Hogwarts. This is more than enough time for them to learn about all seven secret passages leading out of Hogwarts to Hogsmeade Village and become more knowledgeable about the castle than Filch. Doesn’t mean they would stop using it after two years, but I doubt they’d be relying on it every single day during their third year of having it. Plus, there is not one single example of Fred and George using the map to play a prank or even take advantage of Ron with it. If they did then you would have a stronger case on why they didn’t see Peter at that time.
One theory on why Fred and George couldn’t see Peter is that the Marauders enchanted the map so that only they could see themselves. So only Marauders can see Marauders. The reason Harry could see Peter is because he has James’ blood.
Why Fred and George haven’t seen Lord Voldemort constantly in the same place as Quirell on the Marouders map? Even if they didn’t know who Tom Riddle is, it should be very strange having 2 people constantly in the same place.
It probably doesn't count Voldemort there because he was probably more like a parasite than an actual human which wouldn't count for the map
Voldemort was not alive. The entire first book is him trying to find a method to come alive (get the stone) but he doesn’t.
@@TJ-im5kp he was alive
He was like half dead so i dont think the map would count him as a person (i really dont know what happens in this case)
he did not have a physical body. He was like a ghost.
Another thing that doesn't make sense: remember when the Weasleys set up a tent at the Word Cup Quidditch game? They set up this tiny tent (from the outside) that is basically a mansion on the inside through magical means. If they can do this with a tent, why can't they do this with their own home? They live in this rickety shack while they have a mansion/tent stored in their home. Lol It doesn't make sense why any wizard would have a poor home if their powers can do such miraculous things.
Well the crazy thing is that their house was built as they had children, meaning in the beginning it was just a regular house but as their family grew they built more floors above using magic and in the books it says their house seems to even be upheld with magic because normally, that house would never hold without magic. I think the Weasley’s may have the means of destroying their home and conjure up a mansion, but they don’t strike me as the type of people to
A. Want an extravagant home,
B. They place more value on family rather than material things and that’s something they’ve also taught their children by LIVING in that philosophy, not just talking about it
And C. Their home just holds so many memories. I’m sure that it was a perfect house for a couple with one kid and they filled their home with moments and memories but as the need for more room came along I would imagine they’d rather add to their house and add more memories to it rather than living in a large, cold, and uncomfortable manor, like the Malfoys. Another thing is that the Weasley’s don’t have much money AND just because they can do magic doesn’t mean they are the best at it. If ALL wizards and witches had the same amount of power and knowledge they wouldn’t need their community. They would be able to build houses with magic just like everyone else, and they wouldn’t need to work since they would be able to sustain themselves without money, they’d be able to make the same potions as everyone else etc… but again, that’s not the case, they outsource foods, potions, clothes, books because they can’t do those specific things themselves, they may be magically gifted in other things which they use to make a living off of. It’s like saying “well if all muggles have a job, why don’t they all live in equally extravagant mansions? Why would they choose to live in apartments or flats if they could buy something better” because we do not all earn the same thing and we do not all have the same skills, we have specific skills that we use to our advantage but if there is something muggles need they outsource and buy it from someone who DOES have the skills.
Im sure the tent wasn’t something Mr.Weasley made, it must’ve been bought or rented or even loaned by someone who is proficient at that.
Another example I see in comments is “well if they can apparate and disapparate why do they need to fly on brooms” that is because not ALL wizards are powerful enough to be able to apparate successfully without hurting themselves. Hope this helped :)
well, something we need to always remember while reading HP : not all would simply done by magic. If it DOES done by magic, not all magic could do that. For example, that tent for quidditch game. It is actually bought. The Weasleys can not make it themself. I remember when they got inside, the comments was something like "this is good enough, i can not afford better one". So, the tent must be made by tent company, using complicated magic! So, their house actually stay put because of magic, at least the best magic they can cast on it.
@@soehokgie Also remember that the tents are Borrowed.
Add in that there are actual laws to magic just like science. At Hogwarts they learn about the three laws. I can't remember them but one is about matter which certainly would encompass a house.
wasnt the tent borrowed?
The biggest plot hole to me is why Harry needed to win the tri wizard tournament to be transported to Voldemort. I see no reason why imposter Moody couldn't have given Harry a portkey that wasn't the cup when they were alone together. After all, the books describe portkeys as normally being ordinary objects that could be mistaken as trash.
Yeah that really did seem like a super long winded elaborate plan that could have fallen apart very easily if, like responsible adults, they had not allowed a child to enter the tournament I mean what would happen if they said no? Would Harry suddenly drop dead? Barty Crouch Jr had PLENTY of chances to get Harry alone, AND HE DID! MANY TIMES! He could have simply lured him somewhere it would have been extremely easy. But then I guess we wouldn't have the story so heh, can't complain I guess.
Because we wouldn’t have gotten an interesting story if that happened.
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Voldemort wanted to kill harry and make it look like an accident. They were supposed to find Harry’s body and assume he’d died in the tournament.
About the portraits, I feel that that rule was actually broken earlier, by Fineus Black, who was constantly employed by Dumbledore to channel information from Hogwarts to the Black residence.
But my favorite plothole, which was not mentioned in this video, is the piece of soul in the Tom Riddle's diary. It can do something no other piece of soul in a Horcrux seemingly can - gain conscience. In fact, it came seconds short of actually becoming corporeal. And I understand that this is linked to the nature of the diary itself - it can communicate to people by using language.
So what's the plothole? It's the fact that that piece of soul acts completely independently from Voldemort himself. And when I say completely independently, I mean that Voldemort didn't even know it was doing that. We know that because Voldemort doesn't mention any of it in his coming back to corporeal form speech. He talks about Quirrell, heading to Albania and getting found by Pettigrew. And after that we are told that Voldemorts gets furious at Lucius when he finds out that the diary was destroyed.
So, why I'm talking about that? Because I'd really love to know what would happen if the piece of soul in Tom Riddle's diary had succeeded at becoming corporeal. Would it search for Voldemort? I don't believe it would be able to communicate something to Voldemort from afar because it would have done it before if it could have. And if it found Voldemort, would they become one soul, one body, one mind? Because I could see some kind of conflict erupting from this. Maybe this "new" Tom Riddle would have different ideas about who should be the master between the two or about how to achieve Voldemort's bidding of cleaning the world of muggles and killing Harry Potter? I guess we'll never know.
It seemed like Diary Tom Riddle was angry at Voldemort that he was bested so easily and was running scared of a little child. I imagine that he would have watched harry die from the basilisk venom, then go bragging about killing the one person Voldemort couldn't, sneering at the pathetic future version of himself. Then we would have begun his own campaign as the newly regenerated Dark Lord, being able to use the history and his own personal knowledge to make sure the same mistakes didn't happen again. The big issues I foresee are 1. What would he do with Voldemort? He can't kill him. If he imprisons him there's the fear of those loyal to him freeing him. He could keep him close by, on a chain like an animal, but I think he would see the creature as too pathetic to bother having around. 2. How does he do about the Death Eaters? They've already betrayed him once. As opposed to Voldemort, who knew at least a few of them (such as Malfoy and Snape) had been ordered to continue working secretly for him, even though they didn't bothered to try to find him, Diary Tom Riddle wouldn't be able to trust any of them. And no matter how powerful he might be (and even if he is just a shadow what Voldemort was at the height of his power that would still be deadly), he can NOT do all of this alone. And 3. How does he win others to his side? He can claim he is the new Voldemort, but he is just a child. A powerful child, sure. A deadly child, of course. But in the eyes of the populous he is just a teenager. They couldn't possibly take him seriously enough to be afraid of him, ad would be much quicker to retaliate against him if he demonstrated his power. Voldemort was a name no one spoke because he was so darkly deadly and had so many followers who had begun to cling to him while he was still a students at Hogwarts. Diary Tom Riddle would have to start all over from scratch building up his base, and that is a lot of time and struggle needed to get himself back to where Voldemort was before he fell.
My guess is that all pieces of the soul are the same. That Voldy knew when he made it that the diary could gain sentience, and that if it did so... well a body is a body. All pieces of the soul are connected. If one gained a body, then the rest defaulted to a horcrux. I think the only difference is that all the other pieces didn't have the capabilities that the diary or the original Voldy had, which was sentience to do what it wanted and try to get a body.
But who knows?
Love this idea, but I wouldn't call it a plot hole, it's more potential for a interesting idea that we never saw. Maybe this could have happened but since it didn't, it doesn't break the story, it just shows that this was a possibility. I really like this idea though, I never even thought of this, this would've been so interesting. The one downside to splitting your soul up is that one piece could go against you even though it IS you? great idea.
@@oneslikeme it is not true tho. The diary contained the biggest piece of Voldemort soul, the 50%, so maybe that's the reason why it seemed almost like a real person: because it had, in fact, half a soul
@@emmamason3562 It wasn't half the soul. He split it into 7 parts, plus the bit that was in Harry
One would expect a family like the Malfoys to have a few spare wands, maybe even a stockpile. They even had a wand maker trapped in their cellar. One would even have expected the Death Eaters to have looted Ollivander’s shop when they kidnapped him. Yet, at the end of the series, the family is down to one wand.
Great points!
And why did Draco have to borrow his mother’s wand when there were three wands left at Malfoy Manor, Ron’s, Hermione’s and the blackthorn? Or did the Snatchers get to keep them? Seems unlikely.
@@lanetower3411 I think his mother gave him her wand as a way to protect him much like Harry's mom protected her son. I imagine she had to have another wand, a witch or wizard Always has one if they can help it and especially at the battle of Hogwarts she would have to have one.
Ollivanders shop was looted and the whereabout of the loot is not mentioned anywhere.
Could it be in order to restrict the distribution of wands to people not favoured by Voldemort the whole loot was destroyed?
By the end of the war though, the Malfoys are in disgrace. Voldemort deliberating punishes them by making Draco kill Dumbledore, after Lucius failed at the Ministry. Plus they’re all punished, including Bellatrix, when they let Harry escape. Draco is home over Easter and has to go back to Hogwarts not long after - so his mother gives him her wand.
my number one plothole is the false Moody in goblet of fire. The idea as such is brilliant, but almost nothing of it would have worked out even a single second.
First of all we know how polijuice potion works. For a school year he would have needed a tankwagon of it, or an own laboratory team. He is about 30 and playing a
mature extremely proficient auror, while having zero knowledge of this field in general and absolutely nothing of the person. Worst of it, a lot of the people around know the
real Moody but absolutely nobody has a clue he is talking to an actor. Dumbledore can sense where Harry is living in the Durseley house but doesn't notice if somebody
is playing a person he knows a hundred times better as the person playing him. At the end of the book this idea is a great shocker, but logicwise it is plain stupid.
My greatest problem with plotholes are usually not the plotholes, but Rowling giving sometimes even worse explanations of them instead of admitting she hasn't thought
about that.
I agree! Like time turners “oh no they were all destroyed in the Ministry in 1996”. Come onnnnnnnnnnn
Well, he had the living Moody inside the trunk, so he could ask any detail. But even I agree that it should not deceived Dumbledore that easily. For onething, he has to be a very good occlumens.
There is not much doubt about him being capable though, he knows a lot about dark arts.
And he was making Polyjuice potion at the castle, remember Snape accusing Harry of stealing from his supply cabinet, Myrtle mentioning she saw polyjuice potion somewhere, Harry noticing Barty Crouch in Snape's office (stealing ingredients)
@@86upsmaya he would never be able to act like Moody without constantly asking the imprisoned Moody how to do so, completely ridiculous. Brewing Polyjuice potion takes a month and he needs it inindustrial amounts and wouldn't have a single minute to do something else but brewing it. Plus no matter what nobody can react like somebody he knows absolutely nothing about. Stealing from Snapes bureau is extra ridiculous, how much did he steal half a ton of ingredients? Snape surely has not the needed amount of ingredients in store. Like You said it is mentioned somebody is brewing the potion. Nonetheless it doesn't make any sense and is completely impossible.
@@heinzifax @heinzifax Hi! Think of this.
Hermione brewed the polyjuice potion in the girls bathroom in between classes during her 2nd year of Hogwarts. Yes this is above and beyond her age group's ability but my point is that she had the time, so I believe Crouch did too. Also, Crouch got to Hogwarts with his flask of polyjuice in hand, and probably had a whole batch prepared with him. It was only when he ran out of the potion he took with him that he would have had to make more, and it doesn't take much of a dose to work. The amounts you are imagining he needed to make it and the dosage aren't necessary...
Crouch was likely around Moody prior to his arrest at various times due to his father's job with the ministry, and probably knew a lot about him since Moody was a lead auror and therefore enemy... He definitely would have done his homework prior to attacking Moody to imprison him and take his place. Yes he also would have taken time to question Moody so it was super convenient to have him in his trunk.
Crouch proved his own various skills by throwing off his father's curse, bewitching the goblet of fire, fooling Dumbledore (who would not use occlumency on an old friend & Crouch did nothing to alarm him until he took Harry after the tournament), changing the destination on the portkey, transfiguring Malfoy and his father, getting others to help Harry while avoiding attention to himself, etc. He had taken the potion before when he escaped Azkaban so he knew the effects. He was a gifted wizard and user of the dark arts, had concocted the whole plan with Voldemort himself... This was not some spur of the moment idea. I believe not only was he capable of impersonating Moody, he was capable of stealing a few ingredients and brewing the potion which would last a while.
Crouch really is an underrated wizard.
I think the Fred and George might have just thought it was a funny mistake that the map called Scabbers Peter Petigrew. I doubt they’d have heard the name before considering how much Molly shelters them from stuff like that. They never knew the map never lies, and a mistake would be much more likely than figuring out he’s a man who’s lived as a rat for 11 years straight
But they would have seen the other animals in the school and seen their normal names? I remember a passage where Harry sees Mrs Norris, Filch's cat, on the map. Scabbers was right there in the common room with them, he would have been very noticeable and they should definitely have questioned it like who the F is this strange perosn that it says is always in the same room as our little brother, right next to his bed every single night?!
@@OpinionatedChicken59 He was one of the people who created this map. Maybe he knew how to hide his name from the map~ or magic spell. Why no one talks about it
@@heroincoffee8789 It says in the book Harry sees Peter Pettigrew on the map and leaves the common room at night to search for him.
I just think that maybe they weren't looking in that direction. It's a map that shows absolutely everyone in the castle (which means hundreds of people, + I'm assuming pets, elves, etc.). If you were to look at a piece of paper with that much information, you wouldn't be able to process it all. So, if Fred and George were focused on other areas of the castle while using it, they simply would've missed it. Ron was also at Hogwarts only for two years before the twins gave the map to Harry and it's possible that by then, they didn't use it much anymore, believing they had already learnt all the secrets they could from it.
Honestly, I think Fred and George were too busy trying to cause mischief to have noticed. Their main concern with holding onto the map was finding the hidden passageways throughout the school. They also spent a lot of their spare time tinkering with their prank boxes, so it's my assumption a couple of teenage boys didn't have the forethought to take notice of who was hanging around their annoying little brother.
Contrary to what was said about the thestrals, I actually think it's better the way she wrote it. Because it's not about death, it's about processing one's grief.
A plot hole I have a problem with is that Mad eye ( Barty Crouch Jr) could see under Harry's cloak in the 4th book. Now at the time the 4th book was released that wasn't a problem. But in the 7th book it is revealed that Harry's cloak is death cloak it gives constant and impenetrable concealment. So suddenly we have a problem with the fact that Moody's eyes can see under it.
Do we though? The implication is that the cloak somehow ALSO protects you from dying; I don't think it ever says that the invisibility - which the cloak is still unusually good at - is really the point in that category, since being invisible would also not keep you from being runover by a train and the cloak doesn't even block simple stunning spells, as seen in Book 6. I think there is a more subtle operation at play when it comes to its actual abilities as a Hallow.
@@theopuscula death himself couldn't find the brother with the cloak. He searched for him and couldn't find him until he got old and took off the cloak and passed it on to his son. Moody's eye shouldnt have be able to see under it. It raises more questions about the eye then it does about the cloak.
@@theopuscula also draco knew he was there because he saw the bag move. The cloak doesn't provide any protection against spells or dieing.
@@kal-zod182 this is based on a fairy story (!) in the magical world itself. While the Hallows do exist it is quite obvious that the legend and fairy tales derived from the do not correspond 100% to their actual abilities and uses, as you would expect from such stories based more on rumour. You therefore can't expect that what the fairy tale book says will transpire. It is well possible that the invisibility cloak is actually just that: an astonishingly good invisibility cloak. It is remarked several times how strange it is how well this cloak functions, how smoothly it renders you invisible, and how normal cloaks lose their magic over time, whereas this one works flawlessly over decades.
@@theopuscula then explain the elder wand and Resurrection Stone.
One thing that bugged me is that Ron said "there wasn't a witch or wizard who went bad who wasn't in Slytherin" when, at the time, it was "common knowledge" that Sirius Black - a Gryffindor - went bad and murdered Pettigrew
Actually, it was Hagrid who said that to Harry in the first book.
This is a great observation! Perhaps it's because Sirius came from a pure-blood family of Slytherins?
@@sophie427 It is probably because they love to blame Slytherins for everything, and think that if a person from another house does something bad, it is not representative?
@@nathpi8410 They aren't wrong tho. Slytherin's purpose is to be bad.
@@legrandliseurtri7495 No they are supposed to be ambitious, not bad. If they were supposed to be bad, why would they even be a Hogwarts House? I can't picture people thinking "we know all these people are bad but we are going to teach them powerful spell anyway, so they can harm people with it".
Okay but the peter pettigrew one is hilarious. Fred and George saw this guy names Peter in Ron’s bed and decided:
Not our problem.
The plot hole I always remember is that Ron's wand was actually Charlie's former wand. Wands are not items for people to pass down like how a younger sibling may wear their older sibling's hand me downs. Charlie should still need his wand for various things, so giving it away just makes life harder for him
He certainly bought a new wand for himself. When Ron was old enough to go to Hogwats they just gave him that old one so they didn't have to spend money on a new one. Just my theory, don't think they explain this.
"The wand chooses the wizard"... maybe Charlie's hand-me-down was OK with Ron... but Ron was struggling a bit, maybe because the wand wasn't entirely happy so serve him. Of course there is also the situation in Deathly Hallows (movie) where Ron (off-screen) obtained a wand from a snatcher (presumably by disarming) and simply gave it to Harry, and where Lucius Malfoy reluctantly surrenders his wand at Voldemort's request/command. Could it be that wands have innate respect for powerful wizards like Voldemort, and could sense the emerging power in Harry?
@@anthonyx916 The magic in wands is not very fleshed out. I think the closest we get to real information on how they work was with the Elder Wand but that seems to be something unique to it. Though I suppose that any wizard's wand that was disarmed would probably work for the one who disarmed them.
But yeah the whole magic of wands was just not very fleshed out throughout the books.
@@anthonyx916 Whats hilarious about Lucius' wand is that it never served Voldemort fully. It probably sensed that Voldemort was a half-blood fraud and did not lend him its full power.
I think annother wand shop was mentioned at one point and they sold the same generic wand to everyone. So different wand materials are better suited to different wizards. But most wands are usable to everyone, they just might not work well
As for taxes, I imagine it's much like the actual UK Tax System. We don't directly pay tax, instead it gets automatically deducted from our wage each month.
Didn't know about this. But it makes sense.
@@Leenapanther yeah, in the us, I think they have to pay there annual tax during the tax season. In the U.K., you just have it automatically payed from your monthly income. You see how much is taken, and if you disagree agree with it, you take it up with the council.
@@zandernewson9933 it’s the same here in the US. At the beginning of the year you do the tax process to pay anything you might’ve earned outside of your job and to receive a refund for money you overpaid.
@@darkwriter_xx94 But I thought paying tax was the responsibility of individual citizens during a specific time of the year, rather than it being automatically being done by the local authority.
@@zandernewson9933 it’s taken out of your pay check normally unless you have unusual circumstances like being self employed. You’d also have to file taxes on things like investments and such but for the average citizen, their only source of income is their work salary. You do have to file an official tax return between January and April to report those special circumstances (to pay tax on those things) and how much you earned at work (so that you can be refunded any tax that was overpaid).
I've always been confused about the system for how teachers decide how to give and take away points and make other disciplinary decisions.
Harry and Ron got 5 points each from Professor McGonagall for saving the school from a mountain troll. Meanwhile, Harry, Hermione, and Neville had 50 points each taken away by Professor McGonagall because they were awake late at night in the castle. On top of that, some teachers give 5-10 points to students just for answering questions in class and you're telling me that the highest point total for the entire year is in the 400s? Hermione could get 400 points by herself in one week with how often her hand shoots into the air.
Also, pretty much like 2-3 times per book, Snape attempts to get Harry expelled. But in Half-Blood Prince when Harry literally almost kills Malfoy in Moaning Myrtle's bathroom? Just detention.
In the wise words of Ron from the first movie, "they need to sort out their priorities."
It makes sense with the points since they are deducted at the same time as given. It's hard to get 50 points given, but it's easy to get them deducted with a school full of teenagers.
And, in the Half-Blood Prince, Snape's relationship to Harry changed a lot since the first books. Voldemort was back, Snape was a part of the Order of the Phoenix, he was Dumbledore's most trusted agent. It made no sense for him to have Harry expelled, no one would allow it. His place was at Hogwarts, not somewhere there where he could be the easy target for Voldemort. Also, he could not prove anything. Harry gave him Ron's textbook when asked.
In my mind they've always just based it off emotions plus McGonagall favoured Gryffindor, I'm sure Snape was shooting off points to Slytherin as much as he could and the other teachers who favoured other houses were doing the same but also taken points off the houses they didn't favour, also I'm sure Dumbledore is behind the scenes at professors meetings being like nah you can't give points for that or nah you can't take points off for that, like, look, Snape I get that harry almost killed Malfoy but come on, malfoys tryna kill me so its pretty called for to give him a little taste of his own medicine. But seriously alot of stuff they probably don't want to make public as well.
it's like teachers who it's almost impossible to get a good grade with, and teachers who give good grades to everyone. Purely personal preference, situational, and very biased. McGonagall goes harsh on her own students, which explains the big deductions and small rewards.
@Julia L plus Snape now had conflicting feelings. He may have wanted Harry gone, but knowing voldemort was back, he couldn't be the cause of the death of Lily's son, especially at how guilty he felt about her death.
The portrait of Dumbledore is special. It's somewhere in the last book, or mentioned briefly by Dumbledore in the Half-Blood Prince, if I remember correctly. Basically, different amounts of effort can be put into the creation of a portrait.
The thing with the elder wand bothered me a lot. With Malfoy and Dumbledore It made a kind of sense to me. Malfoy bested Dumbledore, not in magic, but he did outsmarted him in a way. Dumbledore did not see it coming that Malfoy would be able to bring Death Eaters to Hogwarts. But with Harry and Malfoy it was different. If I recall correctly Harry simply ripped the wand out of Malfoys hand. wtf
What I wonder is how on earth Fred and George found out how to open and close the Marauders Map. Did the map just sense that they were troublemakers and tell them the catchphrase? Did they spend years trying to decode it? Did they use a spell they found researching for pranks to open the map or force it to tell the code?
@Dogycooper 408 idk if this is true, but it sounds like something the mauraders would do. it does more than just display a map, as we saw when snape got quadruple roasted in PoA
I imagine something like the map insulted them or teased them, and they replied with some clever retort, so the map/Marauders' personalities started to like them and helped them figure it out.
they mentioned that they tried a bunch of phrases to figure out how to open it and eventually came to the phrase "I solemnly swear that I am up to no good" and the close "Mischief Managed".
When Harry first tried to go to Roxmorts with the map, the map showed him what to do with that statue - where to tap, what spell to use. So I guess, the map sensed similar vibes when it came to the Weasleys.
Maybe you never had to say the catchphrase in the first place and they made it up, you just had to have the strong desire to use it for mischeif.
That elder wand choosing Draco over Dumbledore could be explained by the fact, that at the time Dumbledore only had few weeks or a month to live because of the cursed ring.
So the wand could simply just have been ready to dump this physically weakened walking corpse, no matter how powerful he might be as a wizard.
At that point i think that even first grader casting expelliarmus to Dumbledore would have been enough to earn the wands loyalty.
No, it even was worse: Dumbledore just wanted himself to be defeated. So he was defeated by Expelliarmus, and the wand surrendered to Draco
No, it even was worse: Dumbledore just wanted himself to be defeated. So he was defeated by Expelliarmus, and the wand surrendered to Draco
Still makes no sense how harry was able to get The wand just by snaping it out of dracos hand. Like wands overall have like 3 plotholes 😂
@@elite_rock_god2292 Harry physically overpowered Draco which counted as a defeat by the wands logic
Dumbledore wanted to be overpowered anyway. I remember it explaining that had Snape beat Dumbledore without interruption, Snape wouldn't be master of the wand, the passing on effect would've died off. I'm welcome to someone correcting this though.
I think the reason that old Voldy never uses the Vow is that it always felt like a two way street, and he'd be forced to maintain whatever promises he kept to the Vow holder, or face death. It's his entire meaning to not risk death, so I think he looked at it as more a constraint on him as some forced to take the vow may just purposefully break it.
The plot hole that annoyed me the most was that the philosopher's stone was hidden behind a whole series of easy tasks that first year students could solve while dumbeldore could just put the stone in the room of requirements. No one knew the room existed so how would they find it?
Room of requirements was not invented in book 1, lol.
If you ask JKR, she will remind you that Dumbledore didn't know about that room.
@@mehdimarashi1736 Dumbledore did know about that room because he has been there in fantastic beasts and yeah that probably why haha
I think somewhere at the end of PS it is said or at least heavily implied that Dumbledore hid the stone behind more easily solvable puzzles because he wanted Harry to go after Quirrell. He wanted Harry to have a chance to face Voldemort. Also quite sure Dumbledore knew Quirrell had Voldemort with him and he used the stone to lure him out and get a sense of how powerful he was at that time.... because think about it, the stone sits with Flamel for hundreds of years, or it sits in Gringott, and it's fine for all this time but somehow it now needs to be moved to Hogwarts to be more safe?? Makes no sense. (and I know Quirrell managed to get into the vault at Gringott, but the vault was empty so minimal protection...if the vault had been filled, he wouldn't have been able to). I think Flamel had already decided he was done with life and wanted to destroy the stone. Dumbledore asked him to delay one more year and let him run his little experiment, which worked as Voldemort acted predictably and did go after the stone.
Dumbledore didn't know about the existence of the Room of Requirements. Next
@@stafverhaeghe1456 Fantastic Beasts is not canon. It's stated in the books that Dumbledore never knew about that room.
I always thought portraits were a plot hole when Dumbledore was giving orders in book 7 to Snape. Excellent video.
In Cursed Child, I think they address that somewhat by explaining not to mistake the portrait for the person, and that a portrait is essentially a caricature of the person
There are some portraits who are more than just an impression of the person. The headmasters and headmistress portraits are one of these. In the Wizarding World website, J.K. says:
"Some magical portraits are capable of considerably more interaction with the living world. Traditionally, a headmaster or headmistress is painted before their death. Once the portrait is completed, the headmaster or headmistress in question keeps it under lock and key, regularly visiting it in its cupboard (if so desired) to teach it to act and behave exactly like themselves, and imparting all kinds of useful memories and pieces of knowledge that may then be shared through the centuries with their successors in office."
Same!
@@EnricoDiGregorio that’s awesome, but did Snape do the same?
@@mindyschocolate hmmm I don't know. We know that Snape had a portrait placed in the Headmaster's office, but it didn't show up immediatly after his death. It took some time because he abandoned his post after getting murdered. But I'm not sure how much he dedicated himself to his portrait.
So for the Peter Pettigrew part, yeah it would be weird for them to see the name Peter Pettigrew next to Ron every time but it could be that simply George and Fred weren't looking for Ron on the map. They were always using the map to keep a look out for teachers or Filch. Also I got the impression that Scabbers was always running off so it's possible that he wasn't with Ron a lot at Hogwarts and the map only shows Hogwarts. As for them seeing the name and so forth, I got the impression that the only people who knew the story of Pettigrew in the Weasley family were Molly and Arthur.
Yeah, I don't see the kids were aware o who Peter Pettigrew was. Every teens don't know their history, and the twins are nt the most studious people around. I also don't think this is a story that were told a lot.
The fact that the name would appear on their brothers bed would raise alarms. Also haven't you ever been bored and scrolled through Google earth? I can't imagine that they wouldn't have done something similar and noticed this at least once. Even just asking Ron "Whos Peter".
Something that I noticed was that it says that Dennis Creevey was at the meeting for the DA in the 5th book, but that shouldn't be possible because he was a first year in the 4th book, meaning he should be a second year in the 5th, and students weren't allowed in hogsmeade until their 3rd year
The plot with the Unbreakable Vow. I think they did not use this as a common practice because Voldemort was one of the best at employing the ability of Legilimency (or mind reading) to be able find out if someone was lying to him. He was also extremly arrogant of his abilities to have to rely on the Unbreable Vow to find out someones allegiance to him since he could just figure it out very easily through his abilities of Legilimency. Also, there were only a few people who had the ability to block Voldemort's Legilimency, such as Snape and Dumbledore with the aid of Occlumency. Which was one of the reasons Dumbledore forced Snape to try to teach Harry Occlumency to block the attacks from Voldemort on Harry's mind.
“No one helped while Voldemort was committing atrocities…”
You realize this is how more than one war has started correct?
Yep. Look at Germany. The Nazi's and Hitler rose to rule everything, and England and a bunch of other countries were just like 'Okay, as long as you behave." Wasn't until France got invaded that people truly saw what was going on in a lot of cases. I imagine that Voldemort taking over most of the European ministries would have been the only factor that finally drew global notice on him. By then, it might have been too late.
Blm and antifa are modern time example.
Nobody, not even Republicans, dare to openly stand against their atrocities for fear of their temporary well being.
@@zerosaber257 what Atrocities has BLM, or even Antifa committed, that weren't also committed by right-wing and republican organizations?
@@zerosaber257 Wait, are you equating people marching for equality as an atrocity? Wow, I think we found the racist in the room.
@@robertgronewold3326 I think Zero might have been referring to the riots that caused 19 deaths and $2bn in damages last year. Nobody has a problem with equality but there was no justification for such wanton destruction.
What's magical is that through many years of reading the books & watching the movies repeatedly, it's still incredibly enjoyable to talk about and listen to theories! I didn't even consider #10 before, thank you!
Also a plothole: if all you need to do to survive Avada Kedavra, is another person sacrificing their life for you, the it makes zero sense that this never happened to anyone else before it happened to Harry. Unless the wizarding world was the most loveless and nasty place in existence and Lily Potter literally invented the concept of love, so no one before her ever risked life and limb to protect someone else, you would expect this to have happened many times before, and be a known danger to casting the curse.
Right? As if no parent ever died trying to save their kids before. I really don't think JK thought it threw well enough when she wrote the first book, honestly knowing that Voldermort's soul was simply too fragile and fractured would have been enough to explain it, not Harry having some sort of magical protection power that lasts exactly until he becomes an adult (because why?!) and somehow that also means no one can find out where he lives because god knows no one would suspect he's living with his mother's sister at her house 🙄 They could have just sent someone there with a gun to shoot him in the face, I doubt this magical love power would block a bullet.
Some thoughts on the matter:
1. It would be very rare for someone to have enough time, or react quickly enough to intercept a killing curse meant for another person
2. If that did happen, presumably the attacker would just die, unlike Voldemort with his horcruxes, and the saved person would never fully figure out what happened
3. The reason everyone in the wizarding world knew about Harry surviving was because everyone knew about Voldemort. If it happened with someone else, that event would be a local rumour at most
Basically, this type of protection probably HAS occured before, but other cases were either too long ago or too unclear for people to know about them
ive always thought of this!!! like why is harry the only one who survived? didnt anyone else who got Avada Kedavra'd have a loved one trying to save them???
I've always wondered how Salazar Slytherin put a Chamber of Secrets in a girls' bathroom when bathrooms and sinks would not have existed in that way back in the day and plumbing didn't exist again yet. Isn't that a plot hole?
I’m not entirely sure but I think somewhere in one of the Wizarding World texts, it talks about how one of his heirs created that entrance when they put the plumbing system in.
I imagine he simply built the chamber itself in the school and there are probably multiple entrances that other heirs have added or changed to suit them. There's probably a dozen other entrances to the pipes with little tiny snakes carved in them that lead to libraries and other cool hidden magic rooms
I think you shoud check your history since plumbing has existed for thousands of years.
Romans invented plumbing mate. Then the world got rid . Then reinvented plumbing. I think in wizarding world they preferred not to get rid of plumbing like muggers did
@@jasongannon7088 i think plumbing existed long before the romans too, but the romans for sure perfected it and made it more widespread.
The biggest plot hole is why the most powerful wizards on the planet kept sending in untrained children to fight Voldemort instead of doing it themselves.
'bUt DeStInY!'
Not unsurprising or unrealistic if you consider the history of World War I
@@jesseleeward2359 thats the most retarded comparasion you could've made
Hogwarts Military Academy.
they did? only dumbledore trained harry as a weapon against voldemort since he was already a horrocrux ...
Love these kinds of thought provoking videos. I always felt that the wizards weren't well established with global communication. For example, they have to send owls for everything. How far can a Potronus go to carry a message? Is there a limit? Can it be intercepted?
The biggest one I think about every time I read the series though, is why someone, like Snape, couldn't just hit Voldey with the Avada Kadavra in the back? I get that he is a boss in a duel, but when he is eating? Using the loo? In other series, magic wielders may be able cast wards around themselves or maybe the magic system is established in a way where a wielder can sense when someone is starting to embrace magic for an attack. We see the first elder wand owner simply killed while he slept, did Voldey have a guard when he slept? Was it only Nagini? I get he had the horcruxes, but its not like people knew that. Only our Heroes and Dumbledore knew besides Voldey.
We see times where wards are cast, when they are making camp, muffliato, the shield hats... I always felt like that should have been expanded.
Holy craaapp! There's a channel devoted to Harry Potter! I'll have to look over your videos!
There is a theory that Peter Pettigrew didn't show up on the map for Fred and George because the marauders don't show up on the map unless a marauder activates the map themselves to safeguard them just incase someone like Snape managed to work the map he wouldn't be able to track them with the one exception when he sees Lupin go to the Whomping willow in book 3 but in that instance Lupin had left the map activated on his desk when Snape saw it so Lupin would've been visible on it
But Harry is not a marauder by any means, and he saw Peter without this latter activating the map.
@@blastodermis he has maurarder blood
@@blastodermis there are many comments around that say that only happened in the movie, as well as Fred and George telling Harry about the maps ability to track everyone in the school
*Why do you all come up with these theories? 😂 It's just a plot hole that JKRowling didnt notice at the time of writing the book, maybe because her life was changing so much so she wasn't as focused. Either way it's a plot hole, just like time travel, she even said it on Pottermore saying "she regretted going without thinking too much into time travel plots and giving Harry the map"*
Punctuation would be nice unless you talk this fast in real life. 😳
1 question about the Marauders Map. Does Harry ever tell Fred and George that he knows who the Marauders were? Fred and George obviously don't know who they were and likely would like to have known and I can't remember ever reading that Harry tells them.
I don't think Harry and the twins discussed the map any further after book 3. So we don't know about it but it might've come up "off screen".
No he didn't.
I guess it came up off page when book 5 happened. After all, the twins got to be pals with two Marauders at Grimmauld Place.
I’ve always wondered about the Thestral thing. It never made sense to me why Harry never saw them before. Thanks for discussing!
I have this interesting theory for #9, and why I REALLY think Harry had 'ownership' of the wand in the last duel. In book 3, at Christmas dinner, Trelawny comes midway through the meal and explains the "When 13 people dine, the first to rise is the first to die" phenomenon. While she thinks that Harry and Ron are the first to rise, that isn't actually the case. Peter Pettigrew was with Ron, meaning there were 13 people before Trelawny came. Then before Trelawny joined them, Dumbledore stood up to "start the feast" like he usually does. This might have had something to do with Dumbledore's early death. And the thing is, Harry was the last person to sit down, meaning that he was the reason of Dumbledore's early death. This means that the ownership of the Elder Wand would've passed immediately to Harry, without ever going to Draco. Harry is wrong about the path of the elder wand, but it doesn't actually matter.
Dude whaaaaatt 😦
@@JustAnotherMan-BIBLE I always knew Professor Trelawney was a genius.
Thing about the fidelius charm is, it makes sense until the last book when we find out that Bill and Arthur are their own secret keepers. Until then the keeper never lived under the secret so we assumed it just wasnt possible. It could bei that Rowling originally wanted to switch them..so Bill for the burrow and Arthur for Shell cottage but even then the question would have been: why didnt the Potters and Longbottoms do this?
Honestly the best answer I ever got was from a fanfic that simple said: The Fidelius Charm hides you from everyone but you have to trust in person. Because you cant hide from EVERYONE
What I don't get is how Harry et al. (Including Dobby) found Bill's cottage when it was protected by a Fidelius charm. If elves can break Fidelius, it's absolutely useless.
@@mehdimarashi1736 true, one of the many plotholes surrounding the charm. The next question would be how Ron was able to tell them about bills cottage at all. He wasn't the secret keeper so he should be unable to tell the secret.
I would like to know how Fred and George learned the spells to work the map as well.
oh i think it was because the map opens up for mischief makers only and supercarlinbrothers made a video about it
Well, Fred and George are pretty skillful magicians. They designed almost everything they sold in their shop. So I think they just tried a few things with the map, and then after the map knew who they were and that they stole it from Filch's office, it just revealed itself to them and tought them how to use it.
It was confirmed that the map was "communicating" with them and sort of guiding them to find out the password.
@@mienfu9824 PRetty much this, all of this is somewhat shown in Book 3 when Snape catches Harry.
@@inmate-yj3ic I was about to comment about the theory that the map helped them with it. SCB has covered a couple of these plot holes in videos.
5.) The Secret Keeper: James and Lilly chose to have a secret keeper that wasn’t themselves just like everyone in the Deathly Hallows did (Bill&Fleur, Mr. Weasley). Because they wanted to keep an open line of communication. In the Potters case: to a member from the original Order of the Phoenix. If James and Lily are their own secret keeper then they are isolated and cut off from the rest of the world with no way of knowing certain important information. But if they have someone like Pettigrew or Sirius they can relay information back-and-forth to them such as “good news guys the first wizarding war is over. You can come on out now.” Yes, Bill and Fleur increase the vulnerability of their Fidelius Charm at Shell cottage by telling Mr. Weasley, but they are able to communicate back-and-forth between each other and is how they can receive Mr. Weasley’s patronus message.
I think they said also in the book that ingredients for the good luck potion are hard to come by. And taking it too often can have a detrimental effect on the consumer after a while.
The plot hole that really anoyed me was that when no one believed that voldemort returned in like the order of the phoenix, why didnt they just use veritaserum on Harry
Or just take his memory and look at it through the pensive !!
Because veritaserum can be resisted with antidotes and strong will power.
@@SteveStacy135 memories can be altered, they wouldn't believe it
@@mrdr0161 oh yh that’s true
@@mrdr0161 just my theory as harry was just a 4th grade and you had to be strong at occlumency which harry wasnt
the way i reason harry seeing thestrals in book 5 is that he actually acknowledged cedric diggory die in the end of book 4 and had to deal with the associated grief,trauma and guilt of what voldemort did, where as the other time harry was a child and had no concept of death at the beggining of book 1 and fell into unconciousness after sparring with quirrell so therefore didnt actually witness the death other times.
This is true you would need to process the death that you witnessed before seeing the thestrals
@@w0lvenn1ghtmar3 I would disagree. Children find it hard to process death, so Luna and Neville would probably not have come to terms with the deaths of their loved ones. I say this from personal experience as when my grandfather died, I only cried when I leaved I was never going to see him. But I never cried once during the funeral or even when seeing him in the coffin. Come to adult hood and I cried when i heard my grandma had passed, and when I was at the funeral. It's literally JK Rowling being lazy, like seriously, that explanation. "I don't want another mystery...' Was she thinking of not writing another book? She mentioned Sirius Black in book one, and by 3 you forget who he is.
I think it is because Harry didn't see the previous deaths. His father was in another room, and for his mother, he was in his coffin and didn't see it. He collapses before Quirrel dies. So even if he was there, he hasn't seen anything.
#3 adding more wands adds risk of uncertainty into whatever they’re used for bc u can’t build a relationship with a wand, which I imagine is not just the wand obeying direct commands, but more about interaction of personal magic and knowing how to channel it through that exact wand. In the movies they show that even the movement of wand during the spell makes a difference, but to b able to reliably do a spell, one would have to have practiced with it enough to get the correct feel to be sure that he and the wand are able to do exactly as intended without feeling uncertainty or leaving any room for unexpected reaction
With the Unbreakable Vow, I wonder if it's broken perhaps BOTH parties involved die. It makes it the act of ultimate trust and would explain why its not used by everyone (including Voldermort)/
I’ve always been bugged by the ability of Moody Mad eye to see through Harry’s Invisibility Cloak (book 4). In the Deathly Hallows, we learn that the invisibility cloak is much more powerful than traditional means used by wizards to hide themselves. It’s supposed to be a legendary artifact allowing its user to even evade detection by Death. So how Moody’s Magical eye can best the power of this legendary item ? I think it’s proof that when the invisibility cloak was introduced, it wasn’t meant to be a Deathly Hallow.
His eye could be made from a part of a thestrel . The Hallows seem to have a connection to them.
now, I believe more in dumbledore's theory on the deathly hallows. Dumbledore says that, he believes, that the peverells were great wizards themselves and created the 3 deathly hallows, instead of death rewarding them. The explaination he gives is that over time the deathly hallows were turned into a fairy tale for kids.
Also, there were loads of times when Dumbledore could see through Harry when his invisibility cloak was on and he did not even have the magical eye!
@@nothingmuch1039e9 I agree. And the fact that mad eye was arguably the best auror of all time and his eye was obviously very powerful.
@@nothingmuch1039e9 also it’s been theorized that Dumbledore couldn’t actually see through the cloak but he would use a spell that would check to see if there was a person nearby. Hermione used that spell in deathly hollows to check if there was anyone in grimmauld place. And since Dumbledore is so good at magic he wouldn’t need to actually say the incantation out loud.
What I would consider weirder is that why there's not more eye like moody's use in the HP world? It seems really useful so i would guess more people would use'em.
My favorite one is how Percy takes points away from Gryffindor when he finds Harry and Ron leaving the girls bathroom but at the time he was only a prefect and not head boy.
As a prefect Percy can take points from any student with maybe the exemption of the other prefects and head boy and girl.
How about that initally prefects can take points as established early on, but then in book 5 the golden trio impy that prefects never had that authourity. Umbrige makes her squad of student snitches (Inquizorial Squad) and they tell Malfoy he is only a prefect and can't take points. He replys that the Inquizitorial squad can so he will take off points.
@@sarahlevitan1306 no ron was saying he can't take points from other prefects because it undermines the whole system. Prefects can take points from other students
Didn't Malfoy take points away when he became a prefect?
Prefects CAN take points away, what are you talking about? 😂😂😂
House elves can teleport in and out of Hogwarts. Seems like that could have been used for some important things.
2 plot holes i noticed in books:
1. In book 2 Percy takes points from Gryffindor because he saw Ron and Harry in the girls bathroom for second time
2. Its said that Choe Chang is one year older than Harry, but in book 7 when harry is supposed to be in the last year of hogwarts, she is still there in room of requirement with luna neville and others from DA
Nice spotting !
The currency reference regarding books makes sense if you consider the time of writing of the book. Before on line textbooks, I paid almost a hundred dollars for each of several advanced course books I needed. Textbooks were a MAJOR college expense and you tried to find used books if you could. So just not as great an example of how things were priced in the Wizarding World as you might think.
An I think the Weasley always got second hand one's exept for the Lockhart collection ofcourse.
In some universities they ban second hand books. Each year they issue a new print and you're obliged to buy them. Absolute scam.
harry gives 1 knut to newspaper in book five which is about 1 cent in us dollars
but a book is 9 galleons which is almost 60 dollars
cost of harry buying everything in trolley in book 1 is 11 sickles -->about 4 dollars
somehow weasleys manage to spend 700 galleons in book 3 --->4650 dollars in egypt
in book 5 they spent 2 sickles--->80 cents each butterbeer
we dont see much shopping but when we do, money seems inconsistent and confusing
@@lilypond5158 why Dumbledore let Lockhart teach at the school is a though but why he allowed Lockhart to make all the students buy all his books is going too far!
@@45memet with magic the cost of producing stuff is probably different than in the muggle world.
When Hermione recited in class the definition of a werewolf which includes "they only respond to the calls of their own kind", yet when she howled to Lupin to distract him to save Harry, Lupin in his werewolf form, responded to it and pursued her call. But Hermione wasn't a werewolf.
Or is she? Hmmm...
@@DM-wj8br Vsauce music intensifies
Well, she is a pretty good actor 🤔
Movie stuff only
She doesn't actually do that in the book. It was added to the movie for god knows why (unnecessary drama?)
2:42 In order to see Thestrales you have to watch another person die and be aware of it and process it. Yes, Harry saw his mother die, but that was when he was a baby, so he obviusly wasn't aware of it. Harry needed time to process the death of Cedric, since he was still shocked at the end of his fourthed year. That's we he could see the Thestrales at the beginning of his 5. year, because he had time to progress Cedric's death over the summer. And I'm not sure but I think Harry didn't saw Quirrel die in the books.
Yeah he explained that
1:11
I'm just going to attack for the way you reordered the books
Also wands changing aligince, that only seems to happen in deathly Hallows, despite so many people being disarmed before that
^alliances*
but yeah that is true
You can use someone else's wand, but not always to full effect (Ron using his brothers, Harry using Hermione and so on). Wands don't have to change allegiance to be useful.
@@KJ-of6lf but we see draco’s changing its alliance to Harry.
I thought only the elder wand could change allegiance?
I think if you disarm someone and give them their wand back, the allegiance doesn't change, but if you disarm them and keep the wand, it does. The Elder Wand is a lot more fickle with its allegiance than normal wands.
I don't agree with these inconsistencies as stated since drinks and sweets in real life cost only pennies or dollars. But textbooks cost hundreds of dollars
True
The biggest one for me is in the fourth when Harry get transported to the graveyard the ministry should be able to see through underage magic that harry is in a random muggle graveyard and that avada kedavra was used in which case not sure how you don't send a bunch of ministry employees to check it out
I think I have some explanations for some of these:
For the “multiple wands one”- this is simple, if everyone would start using multiple wands, then they would lose their power. They are also really impractical.
For the elder wand one (which might be entirely wrong)- I think the Elder Wand only changes its master when it’s current master is put in a very dangerous position. Let me explain, so when draco disarmed Dumbledore, Dumbledore became very vulnerable which later lead to him dying. In this scenario, Draco put Dumbledore in a position where he’ll die. When Harry disarmed Draco, Draco was put in a position where he was wandless and (i’m pretty sure) so were the people who were on his side (the death eaters). In that moment, Harry had more than one wand that he could use to harm or even kill Draco really easily, but he chose not to.