What does Kai Havertz actually do?
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Kai Havertz has played for three separate Champions League teams, won the Champions League with Chelsea, and cost Arsenal €75million. Is he a number 10? Is he a number 8? Is he a striker?
What does he actually do?
Sam Tighe explains.
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Kai’s job is just beach.
Very good
Will it be kenough?
@@serbu4169 When he adapts to his role in Arteta’s system, he will be Kainough.
@@JannyLWkaI don't know if he havertz it takes.
Kai's job is just bench
As an arsenal fan, I was and remain excited by the potential, but struggle with the logic of the signing given the price tag and player’s form. This video’s analysis only further confirms my confusion. If we were willing to spend 60mil, surely a slightly bigger outlay on Tonali (who has more backwards /retreating defense aptitude), or Diaby (who has been in greater attacking / creative / goal scoring form) would’ve been better signings at similar prices. Likewise, Maddison, whom we’ve been linked with before, was gettable for 20 mil less, and has more demonstrated success as a versatile attacking mid / winger in the prem, with the skills to operate as a false 9 if needed. Given that we already have Nketiah who can play traditional striker, and Trossard to function as a false 9 / depth winger, 60 mil seems a very exorbitant gamble for us. I understand how his physical profile elements potentially help our aerial dominance and Arteta’s apparent desire to build a more physically imposing side… but surely if we were gambling on potential, Szobozolai (to whom we’ve also had prior links) would’ve ticked the same boxes coming off better form? Idk… fingers crossed!!!
szobalsai is a great player that couldve actually filled in ngl, very good in that left hand side also. Excellent technique with dead balls. Tall as well.
@@sigfigronath exactly, totally agree. And fans would’ve been more patient with him, regardless of price tag, because of the potential and how long we’ve been linked. Kai signing just seems like a recipe for disaster if he doesn’t get early results.
It was a ridiculous signing. There's no 2 ways about it.
@@bendagostino2217no. 6'4 aerial threat with great positioning
Not an arsenal fan, but IMO the best postion for Havertz would be Odegaards position. It's difficult to imagine how Odegaard and Havertz playing at the same time would benefit each one to the maximum. As a team it seems to work but individually I don't think so.
I always saw Kai Havertz as a profile to Dele; someone who plays really well off a central striker (can get assists and goals), and floats into space to create chances (also similar to Thomas Müller).
but our system is not like that. we do 4-3-3 or 3-5-2.
Nowhere do we use a CAM. So why sign him?
Yeah it's curious, perhaps to potentially fill the Granit Xhaka role?@@bigmoist2112
@@bigmoist2112 he can fill xhaka's position if he gets better at defending
@krakowiak6835 he doesn't have long shots as a characteristic tho. I don't think CM is the best position for Kai.
Müller is exactly what they are trying to replicate. But for that Havertz needs to be likable and charismatic, so people actually try to find him during a match. Arsenal players are not looking for him at all. They play in circles to Saka and Martinelli and only by minute 70, when the defense gets tired, they start to finally break through.
As a Chelsea fan, we've been trying to suss out what he's good at for years but ultimately he's a confidence player and when things are going right for him he can be unplayable but I've never seen a lack of confidence affect a players game more than Havertz and his development has stunted because of it (as well as playing out of position). One of the biggest what ifs is what he'd be playing like if he went to Real Madrid instead of Chelsea in 2021.
He never played as a ten or if he did, not for long
Chelsea mishandled him badly
Playing him as a ST when he clearly can’t or as a winger when he clearly can’t, that’s on the coach, not the player
@@andreasgamperl9583 I wouldn't say it's the coaches fault when the Chelsea team from 2018 - 2022/3 has been a mismatch of players with no transfer strategy involved. Almost every player was played out of position so the team as a whole could function.
@@ollydeboerso youre quick to blame his confidence but not the tactics and complete mismanagement of the squad planning that ultimately leads to confused and less confident players? Right…
Maybe Chelsea should stop with the big money signing bullshit every summer and focus more on coherence on the coaching side and what players are available, but that would mean you have to get a competent owner first who’s not just throwing money around
@@andreasgamperl9583 Yeah, Kai havertz played as a 10 LW RW and ST in a Chelsea shirt and it got to a point we played him in a pivot and please do not say he cannot play as a ST, Kia Havertz himself has said on multiple interviews when he was at Chelsea that he can comfortably play any position in the front three.
And if you think Chelsea is stupid and mishandled him then I guess Hansi flick is not stupid enough to play Kai havertz who can't clearly play as a ST [according to you] in the ST position right? Oh shocker Kai havertz plays as a ST for Germany and drops a woeful performance consistently.
But I guess Chelsea is the problem.
I wont judge him till he wins a POTM trophy for Arsenal.That may take some time but inevitable especially after G Jesus around him on the pitch.
Great video. His potential when he played for Leverkusen was obvious. Hope Arteta can turn his luck around. Would be good for him, Arsenal and the disastrous German national team.
Yeah sure. Keep pretending he has potential and ignoring seasons of facts he's not that good.
He can either turn Havertz around or he's going to turn out like Harry Maguire.
hes good for germany
@@nst_chipz3243 better than he was for Chelsea, yes, for sure. Which shows that it's a lot about how he's used in a system and his confidence in the context.
But there's still a lot of potential and his performances at Leverkusen were just so good and promising back then.
Not trying to be biased here but he also dipped for Germany recently. Also the German NT has a history of players actually being better for them than the club, Miroslav Klose the prime example. Add to that Chelsea literally had a German manager who he won the UCL with. But later was not good enough for. So I don't buy that side of the argument.
However, I do think he's a better player than what he showed last season. But will that player arise out of playing in central midfield? I have my doubts but we'll see. Lampard tried him there before( and even as a winger!) but it was a nah nah, both for him and us.
Watched him since the Bundesliga days, as a Chelsea fan, I have to say his talent was completely wasted by us. I still stood by him and hope he shines and become the talent we wish him to be.
In your opinion what is the ideal position for him to play?
@@Chelvam-so4qhI am also a chelsea fan and I believe he's like Muller
No certain position but like near the front attackers
Attracting the opposite team towards him and passing it to the nearest player
So that it creates a chance for the fast dribblers to go near the goal box
@@alex0O0O He also played some matches as #9 (rather: false #9) in the last matches of his last season in Leverkusen. He played well, he scored goals (including headed goals). But he played it because we didn't have another fitting #9 for our ball possession playing style of coach Peter Bosz. He didn't choose Alario because of his lacking technical skills and lacking passing skills. Volland who usually played the false #9 was injured. Havertz can play the false #9, because of his technical skills and passing skills. He can score goals, including headed goals. But it's a waste of his skills to use him on this position. However, the main problem of Havertz in Chelsea and now at Arsenal should be the psychological aspect. Maybe it's too much pressure. Like it was at the beginning of his last season in Leverkusen, when fans and club expected him to carry the team on his own, when he as the star of the team was the scapegoat of the fans after bad matches of the whole team. Later on, in the whole second half of the season, he played great.
@@Chelvam-so4qh I'd say that the lazy body language of Havertz is part of his great style, and on the other hand the reason why he's seen so critical by many football fans. He reminds me completely of Berbatov. Brillant first touch, genius ideas, scores the most difficult goals week after week. And then you see him in other scenes and you wonder how that guy could play professional football. Scoring the difficult goals, missing the easy ones. Acting lazy. Giving the impression of not moving on the field and still Havertz was the player with the highest distance covered in most of his matches in Leverkusen (Berbatov also had higher distance covered statistics than other strikers in Leverkusen, although he appeared as lazy as possible).
@@florian.7777 thanks for these great replies
He's been a victim of Arsenal's left side not functioning in Oleksandr Zinchenko's absence. Not all his fault. Ødegaard was fairly ineffective and unimpressive for a good while after arrival. Give him a while --it's been three games
I agree that's why I though the sale of Tierney was shocking
VICTIM? Oh my god ...poor kai
STOP THE BS
VIERA showed more in 20 min...than what havertz showed in 3 matches....by linking more with martinelli and making overlapping and underlapping runs ..
.which got us the pen....and created space for that beautiful cross..which got us the lead
OUR LW NEEDS jesus/trossard for more linkup..that's it
@@rohanshah8808that’s why subs are a thing and haverts and viera are two different players
@@rohanshah8808but Viera was also playing with Zinchenko. Did we see Havertz play with Zinchenko already? Would hope that they'd click more too
Vieira has been with us since last season @@rohanshah8808
i feel like this is the best analysis of Kai that i have seen yet. well done
It's such an interesting transfer for a number of reasons. Firstly, I'm not convinced he was what we needed and given Chelsea clearly wanted rid of him I think we overpaid. What's really interesting for me, though, is that this transfer is basically Arsenal saying we don't think Chelsea know what they're doing and they're such a mess that they can artificially make players look bad. His confidence does look shot and I'm really hopeful that he can recover his best form. Not just for Arsenal's sake but as a lesson to Chelsea that you can't buy players, play them out of position in a toxic environment of managerial changes and players being traded like shares on the stock market and expect any level of footballing success.
For me I’m so excited you’re doing this because I absolutely 💯 understand what Arteta is doing and why he went with this profile.
People need to trust Arteta. He turned a hated Xhaka into the club legend. People hated White when Arteta moved him from CB to RB. Both cases we know how it turned up.
Arterta brought in Ramsdale and he’s been exceptionally good. Zinchenko came in and was immediately transformed into a new inverted LB, not a well understood role; how did it turn out? Other teams are copying it.
Martinelli Odegaard Saka all have become world class and their finishing was scintillating last season after serious work on their efficiency; people now have become so accustomed to the lofty levels our team has reached, forgetting the amount of work it took to get there. Silly really. It’s Arteta who puts in hours of work and strategy to see us where we are now. We have 4 players in the team of the season with serious individual prices scooped; how did that come about?
It’s rubbish to hear what people are saying so early about Arteta. People must shut up and wait and learn. Arterta is definitely evolving the team AGAIN this season.
zinchenko had already played the inverted role far too often at city xD
Stop the cap
wtf are you smoking dude?
😂
@@SuperAyan98 Zinchenko was hated on and people didn't rate him as a starter
I'm sorry, but Xhaka is NOT an Arsenal *legend.* 7 years; 1 good season. Stop throwing that word around so casually.
The lack of dynamism is the biggest point you made for me. Xhaka was never an incredible athlete, yes he was physically strong but not fast or explosive and yet last season he made the extra effort when opportunities arose to have those little bursts and that’s what drove the team forward and got him those goals. Havertz has shown in the past he’s capable of doing so to great effect but at the moment he’s not even looking for those opportunities, let alone taking them when they come. It’s not a lack of ability, it’s a lack of effort and mindset and that is inexcusable for a professional athlete imo. Until he sorts it out he does not deserve a place in this team.
Agree well said.
Very well said
Good analysis. The problem for Arsenal isn’t just Havertz, entirely predictable bad form. His inclusion his having negative impacts on our football and on other players possibilities (eg. ESR) It’s a huge gamble to expect a player to recover form they’ve not shown in 3 years. Arteta’s in danger of putting that gamble ahead of the best interests of the team
Yes, to the point
I'm not sure, but I think he play football
Playing football implies that he spends some significant time with the football…
@@IncredibleMet If that's the case then I could be wrong
Imagine being Kai Havertz, the internet is basically off limits this month 😅
Havertz is a half space filler, he doesn’t need a lot of dynamism to get into a good space because most of the time he is already there! Brilliant spatial awareness both in front and behind, similar to Martin. His teammates need to trust him more, give him the ball at the earliest opportunity and run off him. Simple! Seriously the amount of times I’m like “give the ball to Kai” but they don’t. He is shaping up to turn and press into a goal scoring opportunity and They just don’t give him the ball. Look at the stat of how much ground he covers per game. It’s not a confidence issue but a trust one, and hopefully that will come with time, jeez we’re three games in!
Actually similar to Messi at PSG
United are similar with Mount. He's getting into spaces and just not getting used. It's really frustrating.
Chemistry, it will come with time.
Honestly noticed this as well, they almost seem to be avoiding him...
i think that while at chelsea he did struggle offensively Tuchel turned every one of the forwards into phenomenal pressers.
Great video, as always! At 8:40 the term on-screen should be “duels” not “duals” btw, let your video editors know that. Your team has such fantastic content and attention to detail that it’s the first slip-up I’ve noticed in awhile. Cheers!
Also the word difference is missing an E
What an amazingly clear analysis! Exactly what I had been hoping would come out to explain a player I really want to succeed but have been disappointed by thus far.
Nice to see Aaron ramsdale do a video about his teammate
I see a deep sadness in Havertz, I think his experience at Chelsea has really effected his self-belief and his enjoyment of life. I think he needs the Arsenal fans to get behind him, and I'm sure he'll start to come out of his shell and repay Arteta's faith in him.
I think he’ll come good. Just the fact that we’re playing him in a position that he feels more comfortable in should see him do well over time. He just needs to settle in and get that confidence going, once he’s got that, he’ll prove the doubters wrong.
This type of breakdown actually shows exactly what the plan is. It hits on all of the points that the staff at Arsenal likely would’ve touched on too. Very well illustrated.
As an Arsenal Fan, I'd directly compare him with our other options. He can't shoot or run with ball better than ESR. He can't pass the ball clinically like Fabio. Only reason he's still in the team is thanks to his height and winning those Aerial duels. If this was what Arteta wanted, perhaps we should have gone for Hojlund instead. I'd very much like to see Hav succeed, but not without competing for his position. I'd like to see proper chances given to Fabio, ESR and Trossard there as well.
You've summed up Kai very well, we (Chelsea fans) have watched him past 3 seasons and can verify he's good at many things but not great at anything. Can't take on defenders so not a winger, poor at finishing so not a striker, can't tackle/pass well enough so not a midfielder, and yes we've tried him in all those three roles. He was used as a false nine / striker only because of, as you said of his somewhat decent aerial duel winning ability. But even that he's better at defensive headers than the offensive ones.
Personally his positives I'd say are his pressing and maybe his movements, and in glimpses can have a world class first touch. That's it. I'd play him attacking mid or support striker but hey, Arteta's the manager.
I can see the next narrative with Havertz when he flops at Arsenal, oh the move to Villa will be good for him, he will be "unlocked" by Bailey and Diaby with Watkins creating space for him.
He played as an 8 with Brandt in a 4-3-3 with Petr Bozs as well. Good video here on YT w the tactics he employed.
He also played there in the beginning for Chelsea. Was dreadful, ha lost the ball and gave it away 3 times per game.
What's crazy is imagining a prime aaron ramsey as that number 8. ramsey's greatest strength was his ability to play box-to-box and his late or early runs forward to create space/finish an open look. he also used to be able to play "arsenal" ball which no doubt would've made for some great highlights w martinelli and saka. the only part missing would've been size. just figured this was an interesting thought :)
he reminds me a lot of mario gotze. offensive players that do a bit of everything up top. the other one that comes to mind is thomas muller (unfortunately for gotze at bayern). i think he would play well with a forward that stretches defenses. unfortunately that would mean arsenal playing with nketiah and odegaard playing a bit deeper.
I love the pointed commentary! well done you, sir!
Tifo 2 months ago: why Mikel arteta signed Kai havertz
Tifo Today: what does Kai havertz actually do.
That has been the highlight of his career since he became a footballer.
Okay got to around 3:50 and he said we have to blame Chelsea partially for not allowing Kai havertz to play the way he wants to play.
So does the manager discard their entire philosophy and tactics just to fit Kai havertz just like how arteta is currently doing? Or are we just ignoring the fact that Kai havertz is not exceptional in any role he plays in?
@@joven_so why should that manager sign a player when he fully well know that player can't play in his system, it's like doing it for the show, so yes it's on the manager and Chelsea recruitment team
@@joven_why buy him? Are the squad planners at Chelsea really that incompetent? Just buy players and see what happens?
@@andreasgamperl9583 No buddy, the reason Chelsea bought Havertz was clearly because he could play as a CAM and play other positions which means he could also cover other Positions when needed.
The problem with Kai havertz is that he can play anywhere from a CAM to every front three position but he cannot play any position effectively.
A perfect example is Bernardo Silva, Silva can play as a CAM, RW and LW but the difference is that Silva would give you an output of at least 80% regardless of where he plays and Kia Havertz on his best day would give you like 40% output in his best position.
I hope you understand what I am trying to say.
@@jacobalexander4167 The player could play in the system but the anchor of the video was like scrap the managers tactic and allow Kia Havertz to play the way he wants to play, I am sorry Kai Havertz is no Messi or Ronaldo to be given that much freedom on the pitch.
You can tel from his demeanor that he's a confidence player - which makes the way Arteta has integrated him look like a mistake - if he'd started with him on the bench and slowly integrated him into the team, then he culd have taken the pressure off. Now if he removes him/subs him regularly then it looks like a lack of confidence in him. The only way is backwards now.
That's exactly what I was thinking, and it's a pity. As you say, he should have integrated him in smaller doses to protect him from the fans and media. He missed a few chances down to low confidence and made a succession of bad passes due to being uncomfortable. Unfortunately due to those few moments, he's being absolutely anally raped by everyone. Apart from those things honestly imo he's been decent. Looks like he probably won't be given the time now..
"What does Kai Havertz actually do?"
He was seemingly born a decade too late for formations that would suit him.
exactly !
Not really. He does some things very well which are required from players in positional play systems. His pressing and duel winning abilities are great for an attacking player, His ability to find pockets and linkup the play from these pockets, His aerial abilities adding another physical dimension to the game while not being a burden technically.
You can't judge players off how they played for Chelsea. He's played under 3 different managers in 3 years without a consistent role or teammates.
He's only played 3 games for Arsenal. He needs time to settle in.
10 years ago he would have been an ideal replacement for Muller at bayern
Arguably, youth player selection is always 10 years outdated, by the time they get to playing age.
@@kukunase1686 10 years ago he wouldn't even get into the national team.
So Arteta's big plan was to use a CAM/second striker as a number 8. He wanted Havertz to become Arsenal's Gundogan. Managers are so hell bent on copying Pep.
😂Gundogan is what arsenal needed, kai is nowhere near same profile, defensively pr offensively, what you are saying is late runs in box but as players they are completely different
Wow you're telling me the current manager who was Pep's former assistant takes inspiration from him?
Is it pep that brought football ?
Did you hear Arteta saying he wants to make Kai Havertze Gudogun? is midfielder the creation of pep?
Kai is definitely a confidence player. & I think that confidence will come when the team starts to be more consistent in it's structure, because right now it isn't due to Gabriel, Zinny and Jesus being injured. Get into a consistent role in a consistent team and he will improve.
Gabriel is not injured but dropped for tactical reasons
@@Jonas-cd4hf I might be wrong, but didn't he get injured in the Community Shield. There are tactical parts to it, but I'm pretty sure he was injured.
@@Jonas-cd4hfhe did get injured and arteta is a bit prone into letting players come back to early
It's almost as if the everyone forgot how a second striker plays. Surpising, even in the former land of the 442. That is his position. He was lucked out to be born out of his time. Most coaches don't play two strikers anymore (especially positional play coaches). Sames goes with Muller, who's basically a less esthetic, but much more efficient Haavertz.
I disagree, Robin Van Persie was the exact same and adapted him game to play as a lone striker
I am so looking forward to him settling in and make major contribution. become a great player.
He'll continue to be one of the worst players in the league and Arsenal will sell him for 20m in 3 years to Saudi Arabia
@@david91lvb if that happens, Saudi might not even wanna buy him
@@david91lvbWith luck
not before he helps us win Champions League football@@david91lvb
@@david91lvbI want us to terminate contract after that fulham performance 💀
This analysis is absolutely amazing, bravo
Sam Tighe! Happy to see you're with the athletic
I think we'll see more from him once Zinchenko returns. Havertz was quite decent in pre-season with Timber playing LB and got a couple of goals as well. Sure, it was pre-season and the quality of the opposition wasn't as good as PL clubs but he will be better with time as his confidence improves as well. Personally, I still wish we had signed someone else with that money.
he was great against Barcelona
Arsenal will concede 50+ goals of Havertz continues to play😅😅
@@marvenpraisoody6822 Barca was also just starting their pre-season and had just recovered from a squad-wide stomach issue.
@@marvenpraisoody6822barca is weak these days
Playing without the ball is the toughest skill to learn and implement, and no one does better than Kai, he is the best in the league at that, look at West Ham vs Brighton, 22% possession but they won because they played really well without having the ball
Here we go...the space invaders are back
Top content, good work as always
One of the biggest issues in my opinion is that Arsenal have two undroppable wingers, and Odegaard is captain. So, to tweak the team to fit Havertz as the second striker, or to be one of two tens and still have width is near enough impossible.
Watching this video 5 months later and reading the comments with a cup of tea. Interesting...
He misses chances is what he does
And incompetent coaches continue to play him as a St, odd, it’s as if he isn’t a st and played out of position and people judge him
@@andreasgamperl9583what is his position nobody knows
And people keep bringing his Leverkusen days. It was like 4 years ago!!! Madness!!
Top tier analysis. Brilliant!
Great video- top commentary!
BIG UP TIGHE
Summarily, Kai Havertz is still living off what he did at Leverkusen. He's gone elsewhere and not lived up to that but let's ignore that. Why is no one saying it is because the Bundesliga is inferior, the same way they devalue Balogun's goals because they were scored in France?
what's funny is that Havertz could definitely fit into the current chelsea team and play in his favored 10 position, kind of like what we were seeing with nkunku in preseason
Nope, lets be happy he is gone.
he's not remotely creative enough or prolific enough from distance to be a 10. his best attacking attributes is his strength and making runs behind, unless he plays as a second striker off another lead striker which chelsea don't have.
@@DreamtOfSleepyou have no idea how he would be as a CAM, he never got to play there at Chelsea
Prem fans now judge him based off what? That he didn’t play cam therefore he definitely can’t?
@andreasgamperl9583 its about attributes. havertz's role has never been a CAM, he's always played off the striker even at Leverkusen, unless you strictly mean it positionally like in FIFA. to be a modern day 10 is completely different from what Havertz's role even calls for, and what he has played as at both Leverkusen and Chelsea.
@@DreamtOfSleepplaying off a striker but deeper, for the lack of a better word, that’s a CAM, maybe a deeper second striker
Chelsea’s offense was atrocious, zero chemistry between the players and their strengths, but the blame that havertz gets is disproportionate
He was misused constantly and the fans wonder where his confidence and consistency went…
Also funny how Chelsea fans blame their bad coaches at times, Lampard, Tuchel, Potter, but never draw the connection that bad coaching leads to bad player development
havertz would’ve been a great false 9 for klopp a couple of years ago with the wingers moving inside almost like strikers, firmino loved attacking that space and jota also thrived scoring that way before we started to change the role of the wingers
From what I've seen as a chelsea fan, he is a player who thrives with space and time on the ball. This is explains why his good perfomances for chelsea have mainly come in the champions league where teams generally afford you more space and why he has struggled in the premier league. I don't think his problem is a positional thing as part of what made him special initially was his ability to play multiple positions for leverkusen. I'm not convinced he is gonna hack it for arsenal( obviously I am biased) and think the best move for him would have been bayern munich.
Ps his best perfomance in a chelsea shirt imo was against Dortmund(German opposition). Y'all can clearly see a trend.
Quality content. Shocking footballer
Great video, puts my disappointment with him into words, and also makes me understand how he plays best. But it does seem like a lot of the issues can be changed, he just needs to get better in defense and find form as well as confidence
I am a die-hard Chelsea fan and have watched every single Kai Havertz game at the club. I was initially in total despair, because under Lampard he was totally underperforming. And then Thomas Tuchel arrived and everything changed. To this day I stand firm in the opinion that Tuchel was the manager that better understood Havertz as a footballer, and that is a testament to the german manager's intelligence, because believe me, he is not an easy player to understand. He seems a midfielder but he is clearly not. His best position is no. 9, whether you like it or not, and better with a partner beside him (that was the reasoning behind the signing of Lukaku). Everything else will end up in frustration. So good luck with him, Arsenal fans.
Kai is best at that false position as he can be a nuisance to defenders but he is just not a stat guy the game against crystal palace showed what he does best ,he's not the perfect false nine but he'll not disappear when playing that role..anyone who thinks he is a number 10 is just crazy the guy has 0 creativity
i think what many football fans don’t get it that isn’t just about goals and assist. at some point he does need to get on the board but he opens up our wingers to a new level and by the 5-7 game you’ll start to see it im sure if it
Can you do a video on Richarlison and keep mentioning his price tag the same way you have done with Havertz? Or Sancho? Or Antony? I could go on...
Yeah then you are calling kai a flop no?
You're so right in that Harvetz is Arteta's buy and the onus is on the Arsenal coach to work with the player to suit their style of play. Let's see if Arteta succeeds in due time!
The amount of videos that have been uploaded explaining what the plank does ☠️
He should have stayed at Chelsea given the current system they are using. He'd get to play as a #10 behind Jackson and provide competition for Nkunku but that's in another universe not this one
I think pochettino was fine with keeping him but arsenal's offer was just too good to refuse
Havertz left just because his bestfriend Kova and Mount left too
I'm convinced, given more time playing in a new team he will come good. Everyone wants to write him off due to his time at Chelsea. But like this video clearly shows, Havertz was playing in a position that he clearly wasn't comfortable in. This might be a stretch but does anyone remember what people were saying about Dennis Bergkamp when he first arrived (I can recall Stuart Pearce saying he was a waste of money).
Bergkamp vs Havertz😂. The Flying Dutchman vs The German Donkey
@adityasen4566 Well that's your opinion. But let's see how the season pans out first, before any of us start writing him off.
Compare his role at Leverkusen and the players around him - wingers who created space by keeping width. With Martinelli and Saka who both want to invert, there’s less space. Jesus at his best drops into the hole vs pinning the CBs. Now the center and top of the box where he likes to play is very congested. He’s still a fantastic player, but needs the right system. He needs to play as a 10 as a 2nd striker or as an inside RF in a 3-4-3.
great video!
I think he will be better when Zinchenko and Jesus are back in the team and the build up gets better
I wonder. That misplaced back-pass from last game has me doubting it all. He needs some time out of the first team and actually compete for his position.
Zinchenko who isn't good at defending, Havertz and Odegaard in midfield. When Arsenal play any team with a good attack they'll be slapped
@@blast473 one bad moment and he is immediately doubted
But that city game is immediately thrown out of ur mind ffs
@@Kzeditzzz387He held up the ball okay and missed 2 great chances, talking as if he played a blinder 😂
@@juniorgunner501 Yes it was a blinder he let us break down city from playing long balls allowing us to attack immediately from a goal kick and he got unlucky with the chances.
Havertz will come good, but I don't agree with Arteta's idea to play him into the team. Havertz is a really good player, but he needs time. Not to be thrust into a team that is suffering from Arteta tinkering too much.
chelsea fans said the same
Overthinking is currently hitting us hard
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That tinkering has a name: Havertz.
How much time is he going to need? He had plenty of it at Chelsea, and he never came good there. At this point I'm extremely sceptical that Havertz will ever live up to his price tag.
He also played a decent amount of midfield minutes at Chelsea
i struggle to agree with the idea of a player playing "his favorite role". They get paid well, train in the best facilities and they cant adopt to the "needs" of their team? I'm not sure.
I really hope he revives his career, this guy is a great footballer
Nope. never was.
@@sksksksksk7458 huh I guess you didn't see Kai in Leverkusen
@@tarantino02 wirtz was still better than him there
@@sksksksksk7458 2 different types of players. One being better doesnt mean the other was bad
@@tarantino02 was is the key word
Essentially Kai is more or less a modern version of Thomas müller, who called himself a “raumdeuter”(space interpreter). I believe he could do better when he has the ability to exploit spaces between the lines, I think using him as a center forward or a false 9 would let him bloom.
Holy crap no. Muller is short and can actually finish. From anywhere. Under any circumstances. The guy was amazing.
So you think he would bloom in the role he was used in at Chelsea? Interesting take considering that it obviously did not work the past few years. He is also no way close to playing like Müller. That's absurd if you actually compare what they are doing on the pitch
@@therealking6202you're comparing the fully grown Muller to the Muller in havertz age, because he too faced the same problems then, what does Muller actually do
Well he played very well against dortmund, with a bit more space for him to exploit, since he’s clearly not as good as it as the master, Muller. I feel he’d be really good back in the bundesliga
@@jacobalexander4167 You mean a Muller at age 24 that had 39G/A in 40 games of minutes?
or the 23 year Muller who had 40G/A in 39 games of minutes or are you talking about him playing for Germany at 23years old having 8 G/A in 7 games at the world cup 2014 which was key to them winning?
Still trying to figure out which which version of Muller you speaking of? Because Havertz is nothing compared to him
Very inciteful analysis on Kai Havertz
The problem imho is this which was not covered by the video apart from pointing out his Leverkusen performance was reliant on a direct striker in front.
But if Arsenal don't play that then Havertz potential is limited until they make a big striker signing... maybe next season?
Xhaka did the job of 3 players in that Arsenal midfield. He covered for Zinny, he held Partey's hand, he made sure Martinelli receives in good positions, he overlapped for Martinelli, he made sure Odegaard gets the ball a lot, he made late runs into the box, he dragged players out of positions to create space for others, he scored and assisted. There really is only a hand full of players on this planet who could recreate that and Havertz isn't one of them. Not even sure Rice could recreate that tbh.
Did you just say Xhaka did the job of 3 players in the team & what he did is irreplaceable? Held Partey's hand? I've read some mad comments since the season began but this tops it!!
@@abdulramadhan6485Cause you got your football knowledge from your playstation. But cool, let's make a bet. I say Arsenal won't make top2 this season. A 100 pounds? The team got worse and all they lost is Xhaka. Do the math. Or ask your playstation.
I think mount and Kai were wrong signings for man united and arsenal respectively, This is hard to say but those two need to go to a bundesliga league, they can perfectly fit in there
Confidence can be rediscovered - he will come good
Good analysis on his time at Leverkusen, it somehow reminds me of the way Maddison plays at Spurs right now?? WBs pushing up and big space for CAM, does it mean he is a better Maddison but with low confidence 😂
When does his bayer season get recognised as a one season wonder...
It was 2 seasons but yeah. It’s gonna take some serious numbers to change people’s minds at this point
He had one season where he massively overperformed his xG, but all of his other numbers stayed the same.
Even with that season included, hes only had 2 seasons of more than 10 goals and only 2 seasons of 5 assists or more. This is his 8th season.
Things like his shot on target rates were actually the same or better when he played at Chelsea. And their own stat display shows he cant carry the ball, doesnt play defense, cant score, and only passes well. And even thats diminished because by playing him, youre taking out another player who could probably generate five assists themselves.
So unless he has another season with an xEG difference of 5, youre getting 10 goals and 5 assists best case scenario for 75 million.
@@2639thebossI’m sure clubs see something in him other than what you’re saying. If he was that poor, you wouldn’t have clubs like Madrid/Bayern/Chelsea/Arsenal sniffing around him. Unfortunately until he starts putting up meaningful stats, he’ll always underachieve. You can paint a player any way you like cherry picking stats that aren’t G/A.
@@celphmade1742If Madrid and Bayern wanted him, he would be playing there. But, 4 years ago, it makes sense teams like those or Chelsea were interested.
He was 20 years old, had seen two seasons of great production for a mid-table side and it was easy to think that he could round out his game with experience.
Now, hes 24, those 2 seasons look like complete outliers, with only one season of elite production from 8, it looks like that season was entirely due to luck because he hasnt replicated it despite playing similar minutes and producing similar advanced statistics.
Im not sure you understand what cherry picking actually means. What stat did i cherry pick?
@@2639theboss clearly didn’t rate him at the price Chelsea wanted which I can understand. To suggest elite clubs would pay huge sums ‘hoping’ he reaches the same heights as that 1/2 seasons is very naive, which is what you’re doing. He clearly does something that clubs value outside of G/A, or at least shows enough to make them believe he’s worth investing in. Ultimately he flopped at Chelsea, we all know that, but you’re basing your whole opinion on that spell. He’s had 3 games in an Arsenal shirt, he’s still young enough to flourish. Needs to be given a chance.
I have a question. Would Kai be good under Poch at Chelsea? Seeing that Chelsea have runners and a new nine.
Probably better than under other Chelsea managers because Poch plays a 10, but I still don't see a top level player in him. Plus, injuries aside, we now have Nkunku and Chuk who are better fits.
There’s literally nothing Havertz can do to help any team, he’s not a footballer, play him behind a 9 and he won’t create for the 9 or link up with him at all, play as a 9 and he misses all the chances that are created, play him on the wings and he can’t even beat a man or linkup with wingbacks. Play him in midfield and you as a manager deserve to be sacked… HTH
today is 2023 oct 9.
kai provides the shinny assist to m11 bringing us the great victory against man city.
yes, comfortable in the box, a good setter
Nice analysis
This must be the fifth video on Kai from Tifo this month. Leave it alone.
We''ll see after he settles.
He had the second highest minutes last season for Chelsea after Kepa. So whatever has stunted his development is certainly not game time. As a Chelsea fan having watched his every game last 3 seasons I'm of the opinion his best role is similar to what's said in the video; attacking mid/support striker. Played similar in Bundesliga and even at Chelsea his most memorable moment (UCL final goal) came playing similar role in a front 3 behind Werner. I was also intrigued with Lukaku and him briefly pairing, but we didn't get to properly test it out. I think similar support striker role could suit him. Last season it felt like he had forgot how to play football no matter where he played. It seems that has carried over a bit to Arsenal.
In glimpses he's the best on Earth, but with more proper viewing you'll realize he's far from that. Though he's supposed to be hitting his prime now so I guess at least that's a good news for Arsenal.
Doesn’t have the finishing of a 9
Doesn’t have the passing or mobility of an 8
Doesn’t have the chance creation of a 10
And doesn’t have the pace or 1v1 ability of a winger
I’m confused
This literally sums him up. Everyone keeps talking about him playing in the wrong position... If he was actually good enough as a support striker or Cam managers would build their teams around him
One of the best analysis
If Arteta can somehow gets Haverts to perform, he will be truly seen as elite manager.
There is no place in elite football for players like Kai Havertz. His best position is as 2nd striker and elite teams don’t offer that, the 2nd striker has died. Arsenal fans have already realised this. They should have kept Xaka instead. Even though he swore at all of them (fans) and dashed the captains arm bud on the floor.😮
technically our side does have, martin will be deeper as a playmaker and he'll be the second striker. But its not apparent, since our formations change
arsenal fans try not to be suprised about a player reacting to years of abuse from them challenge (impossible)
Arteta is definitely watching this right now trying to figure out what he does aswell
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Interesting analysis.
He's useless and should not be a starter on any big team. Decent bench player to come on near the end of a game. Hilarious Arsenal saw him play and thought "let's pay 65m for him"
There were 1 on 1's, getting on the end of crosses, point blank headers, the variety of chances missed by Havertz at Chelsea was staggering. Regardless, if you're out of position or not, in those moments as an attacking player he was very poor.
No coincidence we were such low scorers with him and Mount as 2 of our main creative outlets. Can't believe Arsenal paid pretty much what we did for him. 60m gamble.
Mount was creating mate. He literally was like 2nd or 3rd on creative metrics. We simply didn’t have finishers . Our I would say that the coaching didn’t allow for attacking patterns of play enough to assist our attackers.
@@jt19933LMAOOOOOOOOOO
@@jt19933 creative metrics for our team. Mounts form massively dipped last 2 years. He wasnt alone tbf but relying on both part of the reason weve struggled.
I will add though in terms of dynamism. Arsenal has that problem just in the way they play . We keep cycling the ball left and right and don't put in too many cutting ball to players making runs. Our defacto method seems to be get the ball to martinelli and saka on each side and keep the pressure going and eventually the team will break down. Martinelli won like 9 corners against united last week. I see so many time the players not making passes through the lines were runners are going. We really need to get better at that. I thought jorginho and vieira do that the best and that is why we are trying to involve vieira more. Odegaard for all the praise he gets isn't like cesc playing balls between the lines. He has become exception at pressing, ball retention and scoring from midfield but Arsenal players need to be making more runs and the Arsenal players need to be playing more balls between the lines forward rather just moving the ball right and left to the wingers all the time.
Sounds like a set-up for Kai to score a brace against Utd tomorrow.
Wow. From CFC fan perspective - we tried him deeper. A lot of times, I would actually argue, that 63% is wrong, because he might have been put there in lineup, but he was playing all around the field. In 3-4-3 he was often dropping deeper or to the side and his the striker role was taken by other player - be it Felix/Sterling last year or Puli/Werner the year before. Under Lampard he played mostly lower and it was disaster.
Basically the answer why he ended as "a striker" with us is not just about failure with Lukaku/Auba, but as well because he was just bad everywhere else, so we had to put him up there.
So your coaches had no idea how to use him and threw him at every position? Why even buy him in the first place?
That’s how you kill a players potential, constant changes, different tactics and coaches and different expectations for every season
How is he supposed to be a CM, a winger, a CF and a ST and perform at every position? He never played any of these positions before, except maybe CF
He’s a CAM and RM
Exactly, no mention of the fact that lampard also played him as an 8 in his first spell and Kai was not up to it at all
N O T H I N G
I've never heard anyone introduce Messi or Ronaldo as having 'scored the winning goal in a Champions League final...'
That is not a mark of greatness at all... I was in Paris when Belletti scored the winning goal for Barcelona against Paris with Henry and Ronaldinho on the pitch.
It will take half a season at least for him to get up to speed with what Arteta requires. It took Odegaard time to adapt. And he needs a run of games to get some confidence. I know it’s easy to say he’s prem proven but I’ll give him a season to prove it. Tbh Fabio Viera has looked very good this season when he’s come on, he may have a challenge there, not to mention ESR coming back.
Never have I ever been so wrong about a player. When he was with Leverkusen I was convinced he was a future Ballon D’or winner. Thought his trajectory was better than Haaland who was still with Salzburg at the time. Havertz literally has it all. Big, strong, fast with amazing technique. He just lacks IT. He has no fortitude, or drive or fire in his belly. I feel like I could push him off the ball and he’d just accept it.
Meme material right here 😅
Trassoud ESR Fabio all who would do better if not at least as good as him
We are stunning the growth of our youngsters which have SAVED arteetas JOB
Same vibes as William benching good youngsters for a washed up stale
I'm a statistician for an EFL Championship club, and to me, the data suggests that the reason everyone is confused about Havertz is because he is inconsistent with almost every element of his game. There's a lot of talk about his position, but from one game to the next you never know what Havertz is going to turn up. He has immense talent but his first touch, decision making, positional play, and ball playing outcomes all fluctuate more from game-to-game than any other player I've ever seen or taken the time to analyse. It's like a set of dice is being rolled before every game to decide which Havertz will turn up. It suggests to me there's potentially an underlying mentality problem.
Arsenal have clearly seen his upper limit and felt they could provide a platform for him to deliver to his potential consistently, but it's a big gamble - albeit one Arsenal arguably have the depth to take.
This guy just burst onto the scene and became your best presenter!
Have a day off
his job is to steal a living lol
I think he will thrive more in an open game. The first 3 PL games he played, all teams were in a low block. Forest even 1-0 down defended with 10 men behind the ball. There simply was no space what so ever. And the whole team hasnt really created much since the opposition defends so deep and so with so many men behind the ball, I think the whole team will play better vs United today, since hopefully they wont just sit back.
*What he does:* I’m still not sure
*What he doesn’t do:* Burst