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You’re right my friend: the pay is low the work is hard and only a few good patrones like you and me will pay to teach ! The future is your legacy!
The only advice an apprentice need is:
1. View it as a college course that you get paid for. Do not just turn up and see it as a job.
2. Train yourself. Immerse yourself in the books and practise in your own time.
3. Do not expect that a journeyman’s skill will magically rub off. Get after it and be self motivated.
4. Choose a trade and do not just yap on about how your mum chose it for you.
I did a British Rail, electrical/mechanical engineer apprenticeship, best thing I did, the great blokes who educated me, did so about my job, pride, cleanliness and life. Forever grateful
As a 59 year old man with very little DIY ability I would love to have trained with Roger Bisby. Top notch videos which make me wish I had trained as a builder and had anywhere near the knowledge of this gentleman. I love to try and make/build/repair things but basically I am crap at all 3!!
Well said, Roger. I agree with all of the points you’ve made. A good tradesmen will always find work, whatever their field of expertise. It’s a shame all of our technical colleges disappeared along with the teachers who taught in them.
Knowledge and skills need to be passed on and it is a good thing we have Skill builder thanks Roger
A subject very close to my heart and its great that Ironmongery Direct are getting behind this issue. People really have no idea how bad the skills shortage is in this country, and the more of us that try and shine a light on this the better. I completely agree with Rogers views and advice on the subject. 😎 Great video.
We are having the very same problem here in Ireland and I was talking to a guy working in Canada he's finding the same problem over there.its a big problem and its already here.
@@joinertanner Hi there. I've got mates in the US who say the same as well. This is a problem that society has created over the last 30 years that will not be sorted out without a complete shift in how we, as a society, see manual work. We only have to look at the problems with nurses in the healthcare sector to see where construction is heading.
@@thetallcarpenter your so right and you know as well as I do that construction has alot of local knowledge in it from stone Masons working local stone to roofer knowledge of extreme weather conditions to planners knowing the flooding problems. Bring someone new in without having someone to past on the knowledge and we'll see the same mistakes been made over.
@@joinertanner Its a subject, that I suspect could be debated on for hours and hours. What's apparent is the problem is now so obvious that more and more people are having the debate. Whether or not this will lead to change is another question entirely. Cheers.
@@thetallcarpenter best to start is in the schools that's the only place where the solution can be found.
I apprenticed masonry under my dad, uncle and grandpa - started carrying hod, then striking, then job setup and layout, then after a few years I got to pick up the trowel. I had watched thousands of bricks laid before they would let me set one myself - I had to be expert at all the other skills first. It was hard work, but good work. My grandpa would always say, “any one can pick up a brick, but only a skilled mason can properly let go of it”. I eventually went on to be an engineer, but still pick up the trowel occasionally - mud in the blood. Nice video.
Good advice well said.
great advice Roger - cheers.
Nice one Roger !!!
Excellent advice Roger.
Great advice Rodger👍
Great advice..
Great advice.
I know and use Ironmongery Direct myself
totally agree with the cheap imported labour comment ,as a bricklayer back in the 70/80s the government ran a TOPS course covering bricklaying/carpentry/plastering etc. most of us lads had a building background so had a basic knowledge ,you spent 6 months every day laying bricks till you got to a reasonable standard then you were set free ,of course you got sacked of the first few jobs until you built up your confidence and skills ,it was far better than the new system of all this nvq nonsence it was basically survival of the fittest
I learnt a lot on day release!
Hey mate what a brilliant video.
It's a true fact that in the next few years the building trade is going to be stuffed due to lack of skilled people.
Like you I was blackballed by the older guys, just there for all the crap work and tidying up, I hated it.
I left in my 3rd year when the firm couldn't afford to let me go to college.
I then found and did a 12 month solid government training course in my trade which gave me my C&G, as I was knowledgable within my trade I was ahead in the training which helped a lot.
I had my own business 30 years ago and had 2 apprentices, one was a waste of space, expected craftsmen wages after a few months although he was lazy and always off sick and kept missing college then left, my 2nd apprentice was a diamond. We made him do the same as us, not make tea, we did that. The sooner I made him productive the sooner he was making me money. He was one of the crowd from day one, his only real remedial task was to tidy the van out on a Friday afternoon then have an early shoot and be paid. I hear he's doing quite well for himself, I've since wound up and looking forward to retiring 😁😁
That is a really good tale of two apprentices. I wonder what happened to the other guy
The last apprentice I attempted to bring on couldn't keep of the drugs. One let down after another, until, in the end, Id had enough of his BS. I had another one for a brief period before that, and he was hopeless. Always trying to find a mirror to look in and way too much time on the phone.😬
@@thetallcarpenter Shame. If I was local I would have loved to have done an apprenticeship with you TC! 😁👍
We are the same here in OZ, scarce young people who are prepared to get their hands dirty. It’s a bit of a worry for the future
100% spot on
Completely agree Rodger. Regarding the cheap Labour I remember McDonald’s was doing a big push on apprenticeships about 10 years back, yes you heard that right !
Now I don’t want to sound belittling but surely that’s slave Labour with a basic food preparation certificate at the end of it.
I remember Woolworths used to have loads of 'Trainee Managers' in their stores. £5.00 a week and some pick and mix.
I got offered an apprentice,
“you can teach him so much. “
Ok.
He turns up (late!), after two years of college, not even with a tape, boots or even a pencil. 🤦♂️
😂😂😂
Alex was the only apprentice in his class at college and they keep threatening to shut down completely, very sad 😕🧱👍🏼
thank you for sharıng sır!!!!
I've been a decorator 10 years and when i was in college you soon notice the teachers aint really bothered cause only handfull of all the students they tech go into the trade a lot of the students aint serious and the teachers are under pressure to get enough students through the course other wise their job is on the line with 12 month contracts so a student doesn't have to do very much if anything to pass the corse most of them by year 3 couldn't apply a straight bead of caulk there was only one person who actually went into the trade in my class out of 30 students and she was in her 30's the young ones wern't interested at all
@Chalky Scriber yes i guess that was diploma corses but they could have got apprenticeships but none bothered is what i also saying companies even came into to college but the young students still wern't interested
How old is too old to train as a carpenter at night college? I know it doesn't give you the site experience that a apprenticeship would but you got to work with what you got.
Cheap labour? that was my experience with my apprenticeship. Struggled really hard when it came to going to college. Hadn't a breeze.
Love teaching and working with young people..The college courses arnt long enough they get to nvq 2 and although the college offers a nvq 3 its not compulsory. The result is these kids are qualified but really they are not .The course need to be more in depth more detailed so these young people can finish there time and have the confidence to apply there trade .most leave the trade because they cant do the job they are qualified to do.
The system isnt good enough simple and its not fair on these kids .
Justin brickright 👍🧱
Roger reminds me of an uncle Sam like character the industry needs you youngsters!!!
Ainsley
That is interesting. Uncle Sam was recruiting young men for the killing fields. I hope I am not doing that,
I have to agree about the use of cheap labour I've mentioned it before with a big Manchester company and was told where to go and good apprentices are hard to find some are outstanding and the other half walk around with their eyes in their pockets and their hands closed 😝🔨
My apprenticeship was a living hell. (With my father). But I don’t regret a day of it.
I agree.
Nowadays trade apprenticeships are not seen as a thing to do for kids leaving school.
Its not surprising that there is real short fall of skilled people doing trade work, and countries rely on immigrants coming into fill up the short fall.
Kids leaving school do not appreciate that training for a trade and getting there will give you a good living, and generally you will be active for life. Now, trade people are not seen as important anymore, and i find it weird.
Its about time that gov pushed this stuff more, as having a trade will give a person a good living, and kids leaving school, are not really going into it anymore, as so many want office jobs, and office jobs are seen as the only type of good job to go for now.
One thing i do regret is that when i left school, i never had a chance to go and be an apprentice to be a plumber, as it would of been a good job for me, and would of given me a good living. But leaving school at start of 1990's, there was no info, or society never gave you any idea how to go about it.
I worked on both building sites, and office jobs, and personally i would of picked building sites over an office any day. In offices people do no work, and just socialise for most part, while on site people actually are there to do some work, and get on with it.
All over the 1st world, there is a lack of people going into a trade position, as society thinks only office work now is a worthy job.
What age should an apprentice be ? Yeh the younger is good but sometimes an older ie late twenty erliey thirties why not.. to be honest I'm 54 and still learning we need to knowledge that point. Anyway that's my thoughts Rodger...what do you think freind??
I would always go for somebody in their early twenties, they are much more likely to have sorted a few things out by then.
BEST Apprentce Tips - 'Make yourself useful' and 'Don't get your PHONE out every 5 mins' :-)
i was an apprentice for a company for 2 years and was basically used for cheap labour, varnishing, cleaning up and doing all the shite jobs until i was utterly fed up and threatened to take the company to an industrial tribunal. The next day i was on the shop floor learning and making joinery!! the manager said to me that " if the shape of the boat changed, i'd not know what to do". Well, no wonder because they wouldn't show or let me do anything! anyway they paid for me to go to college after leaving there... and i worked in a joinery shop making windows, doors ect after and the rest is history... Most companies won't give young people a chance, and i was always keen, on time, never on my phone. They halted my career and almost shafted me because the college wouldn't let me progress to level 3 but yet there wasn't any training for if you've completed level 2 but aren't ready for level 3, complete joke! anyway, their loss!
I was told my only training for the job was at college, despite the fact that an apprenticeship is for learning on the job! but also i was learning traditional furniture making at college when the workplace was boatbuilding, similar skills, I know but completely different trades in today's world. Just ask a furniture maker to point out the forestay or the garboard plank.... utterly stupid.
How is Roger doing?
when is the skillbuilder podcasts coming back
Very soon.
@@SkillBuilder Sweet
Training is important and agree with SkB on this but this Government only ever pays lip service and never truly invest in people.
This should be a video for apprentices as well as half of them don’t realise how lucky they are to have an apprenticeship
Do bosses still ask apprentice’s to go and fetch a left handed screwdriver, or a glass hammer, or a long weight .....🤦🏽♂️
That kind of thing now comes under 'bullying'
@@SkillBuilder its character building... I did it to all the sprogs in the army.
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I'm a Welder started my apprenticeship in 1978.Today too many lads doing a 6 month welding course. Then claiming to be qualified. We nickname them diluties. Ruining the job.
How can a 31 year old get into the construction industry.. Im too old to start apparently.
I was 32 when I retrained as a plumber/heating engineer. I've been self employed for coming up 19 years this year. If you want to do it you'll find a way but you have to make sacrifices.
I am not sure about the educational system in the UK. For the most part the average person in the ?USA would not get hired for no appearant reason. A 2 year associate degree from a tech college is laughable as noone would hire you. Apprentice programs in the Unions do not exist to my knowledge.
Noone apreciates th eold skilled person as they favor a strong back to skills and mental acuity.
You tube has taken the place of many vocational schools. I need to learn something about TIG welding ,as an example, I go to youtube. There is no other place.
Noone wants to pay for the training so noone learns. Companies open and close at high speed and they do not want a longterm debt . Prefab is here to stay !!
Roger that was a poor presentation imo. A good future trades person will ask questions, dont forget the famous journalist.Question more.
| have no idea what you are talking about.
I’ll keep an eye out for your presentation on this matter if Rogers was so poor