Did McLaren cost Norris his second win of F1 2024?
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- čas přidán 27. 06. 2024
- Scott Mitchell-Malm and Ben Anderson join Edd Straw to discuss a thrilling wet/dry Canadian Grand Prix in Montreal that was eventually won by Red Bull's Max Verstappen.
But will McLaren and Mercedes rue a missed opportunity to beat the F1 world champion? Was Lando Norris right to call out his team for making a crucial error of judgement? And what on earth happened to Ferrari's Monaco pace?
00:00- Reflecting on a thrilling grand prix
05:23 How the race played out
10:27 Did Max win it or Norris lose it?
18:30 Russell’s missed opportunity
27:45 Another false dawn for Mercedes?
36:18 Ferrari’s nightmare weekend
43:14 Why was Aston Martin better here?
46:09 Tsunoda's error and Ricciardo's surge
49:31 Alpine's war with Ocon continues
54:11 Haas cameo at the front
56:19 Listener questions
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Way to much of this race is being fixated on the first safety car lol. There was a second safety car too, and Lando had 2 lap fresher tyres, was right behind Max, dry conditions, and couldn’t get it done. Miami Lando was in 5th before SC handed him first and he had a 6 lap tyre advantage from it. Didn’t hear these kind of narrative then from you pundits.
You know what there was also? A qualifying Saturday where Norris had his chance to start ahead of Russel and Max, couldn’t get it done.
Why don't you try and drive faster than someone in a faster car than you
Exactly!!!!
I think one thing that doesn’t get enough attention is Oscar Piastri’s bad luck with safety car timings. I can’t remember the last time he got a safety car that actually helped his race.
Needs to learn how to keep his tyres in good nick...finishing behind both mercedes wasnt great
@@j.s3300 Yeah seems to spend a lot of time just behind someone attacking early in a stint and higher tire wear is the result?
Would have been in his best interest to be pitted for the last safety car, but I guess it wasn't in Lando's interest not to have a buffer man so the call went the way it did. Though merc likely would have pitted anyways.
@@j.s3300yes, but he’s definitely improving that. He was in touch for the whole race here. He is really fast, but not the best just yet and I wish Oscar’s fans would tone down his praise a little to match his (considerable) ability. He’s only 4 years younger than Max (9th year in F1) and 2 years younger than Lando (5th year in F1). They were all good enough to be given a top ten drive in their first season, but it takes time to become a regular race-winner and they’ll be racing against each other for the next 10 years at least.
@@vrquI don’t think that there was as much thinking as that, i just don’t think the the team had considered the impact of the SC at that point in the race, or considered it and just made the wrong decision. I just don’t think McLaren are quite there with the tactical side of things at the moment, they have made a number of tactical mistakes that have cost both of the drivers this year, the biggest being this race with Lando not coming in immediately under the first SC, even if it meant the team were not ready for him. McLaren have the car and the drivers, the tactical thinking just needs to improve a bit and they will be winning more races this season.
Lando got it much worse... he had opened a 9/10 second gap when the SC entered.
Zandvoort last year was just as exciting, people just tend to forget quickly when a new exciting race comes along
Exactly!! And Max won that chaos too!
Looking for too many bogus reasons when there is only one valid. After the last safety car Lando had enough time and chance to claim the lead, but he failed. Where Max was not overdriving the rear, Lando was to busy with trying to get maximum exit speed out of corners causing the tyres to grain. So the real reason is: Max, racing craft.
Well said!!
I only hope that Piastri isn´t going to lose confidence as he clearly is McLarens number two driver.
Here´s for him learning to keep his tires in action as well as Norris actually is.
Why? Norris has been 2nd driver from 2019 to 2023. Nothing wrong in being the 2nd driver especially since this is just your 2nd year. He isn't being treated like shit either so it's okay.
Losing confidence, Just outqualified Norris two gps in a row and was 1 tenth away from 3 in a row???
Why would he be "losing confidence"?
@@de1623 Qualifying is not the goal. I don't know if Lando is extremely good on tyres or Osc is very bad, but it is clear race pace is where he needs to improve.
Piastri knows better than anyone that he is very lucky to have landed a seat at McLaren just as the car has come good. Lando has had to drive a tractor around F1 circuits for 5 seasons working with the team to develop a race winning car, he would have killed to have the chance Oscar has been given right now at the start of his career, many very capable drivers never get this chance.
@@neetsk12 Lando for sure wasn’t the second driver after 2021.
I don't really understand anyone who thought that anyone but Max & Lando was going to win. Not once did it look like a Mercedes win.
No they didn’t. Lando had a second life line at the end of the race when he was second. He had fresher tyres than max and didn’t challenge him. Max just did the job.
Track position is key
A race without Safety Cars run entirely on intermediate tires, would have definitely gone to Norris. The Red Bull #1 recovered a small performance edge on the switch to dry tires, but that wouldn’t have been enough to breakdown the lead Norris was building on inters with all green flag pit stops. Safety Cars at Canada are inevitable though on a drying track, the challenge of dry tires on a damp track is a lot even for experienced drivers. You can easily build a scenario where Max or Lando win, George or Oscar however, were too inconsistent across the stints to win if either #1 or #4 finish intact. The lack of Ferraris simplified the race and I’d have expected Sainz in that mix for the win too, before qualifying.
@@j.s3300nope, you can pass in Canada if you are faster, Max gapped him consistently, so clearly Max won it.
@@angel_one1259 consistently? Behave
@@angel_one1259 that’s because the McLaren was running higher downforce for the wet weather, the RB and the Mercs were faster in a straight line by 4 or5 kph, you can check the telemetry, it’s available if you look for it. That’s why Lando did so well in the wet / damp conditions and his tire management was so much better, but as soon as the advantage he gained was taken away by the SC, he was never going to beat the redbull in a dry race with his set up. He might have had a chance on the C3 compound, but the McLaren chews up the C4s for some reason, they might not have been as old as Max’s tires at the end of the race but they were in worse condition and the surface was grained the fu*k.
Overconfidence killed both Lando and George 's race. They were counting on the weakness of the Red Bull car but they should never have discounted Max .
Max did not try to overdrive his car and he won the race by being levelheaded and was helped by excellent strategy. Max and Red Bull know how to win a race , the rest is still learning.
The coulda, woulda, shoulda story is getting old real fast at this point.
Well said!!!
McLaren messed up the moment they put both Norris and Piastri on the same strategy in the beginning when they had the second row on lock. Beyond baffling how they went for a safe 3rd and 4th protection rather than risk one driver to go for P1.
Yes, McLaren played a little hand in it because whilst there is nothing better than fresh rubbers on a cooler track there is nothing better than tyres in their operation window. But don't mind Zak, he will deflect on the Red Bull team.
Why not mention the timing of the safety car? Had they called it earlier (as they SHOULD HAVE - Sargent's Williams was sitting on the track going nowhere for minutes before the SC) Lando would have had plenty of time to pit.
Timing of safety cars is fraught with human error decisions that dramatically impact race outcomes. Drivers lose concentration or take unnecessary risks. This is a consistent inconsistency in motor racing.
Like what happened in Miami 🤔
Checo is so screwed. They "stopped inventing" so he's trying to drive the VER setup and it's just not natural for him. He's going down the MClaren DannyRic rabbit hole and driving unnaturally. And when things go wrong like imola and Montreal, no idea how to get out of it
Is it just me who thought that Sainz wasn't holding his brakes when he spun around and a was freewheeling backwards for a yard or two which left Albon with no chance to avoid him?
He was not holding his brakes, as he himself said in interview, to try NOT TO STOP IN MIDDLE OF THE TRACK…to prevend crash… but it caused him to turn into Albon unfort
Um…I would like to know why you think Daniel’s Race Pace was slower than Yuki’s over the Race…All that Stats I have seen is that is Completely WRONG!!!
It's well known that these clowns hate Daniel and slander him at every opportunity, all the way from Glenn Freeman down. It's of no surprise that they get verifiable facts wrong, deliberately.
PS look what they did to WTF1 It's hilarious.
Makes a change. Tsunoda has been smashing him all season.
I wonder if it was the other way around and Lando won this race the same way Max win the title of the thumbnail in this Video will be is
RED BULL cost Max the win i don't thinks So Oh i know the answer LOL😂😭🤔
Edit " the SC the one help Lando win his first win in Miami and Max RB20 has floor damaged lol
Did McLaren mentioned
Lando car had any problems?? I noted that the turbo started making a loud whistle at the end.. all other cars sounded different
That wouldn't absolutely mean something was wrong. Im sure if something was wrong McLaren will tell the public in the next week
On that note, has anyone heard how much different that Alpine Renault engine sounds in general. It has a weird, tinny whistle sound to it.
@@niel19861 It has always had that since 2021 for what i can remember. its the wastegate opening i think
I was wondering what that loud whistling noise was, as Oscar's car didn't make the same noise. I assumed something different in wing configuration or even a piece of plastic stuck somewhere 🤷🏻♂️
No he didn’t have a problem
British media is reaching again to impose that a brit could have won it, Norris got unlucky with SC but was too cocky to go too long on the 2nd stop and by that time Max is comfortable with the slicks, then the second SC came and Norris has another shot if he was really faster with fresher tires than Max but no, Max left him lap after lap.
Those who think that he could have beaten Max is living in dream land. When it matters Max showed he is indeed the better man.
That has nothing to do with the fact that he's British, otherwise no discussion ever will be possible whenever British drivers are involved.
Max's safety car restart won the race, weaving to look like warming and floored it *before* the chicane - top work
@@soundscape26lol
@@maht0x oh another excuse, Max may have got a good restart but what did he gain? Maybe half a second or 3/4 of a second, so Lando if he really is that fast could not recover 1 second and beat Max? As if Max magically got 4 second gap after the SC, he built that gap by being simply faster and simply better.
In a weekend where RBR, Mclaren and Mercedes is pretty much equal, the best driver made the difference.
@@maht0xlol
Checo in that seat is up there with the other miracles
01:02:28 "being rubbish" 😂😂😂😂
Hamilton did make a mistake... It wasn't just a bad race .. the mistake wasn't shown on tv but the time table show he did something wrong and lost a good amount of time
Exactly, he went off track…
Wait am i remembering it wrong but didn't Lando get that big gap because everyone else got caught in the yellow flag when the 1st accident happened which allowed everyone else to have enough time to pit?
NoLando simply was not fast enough in the last stint! He was on Max’ rearwing at the restart but Max bolted and was simply faster in these last 12 laps.
Could have should have could have shoot have koot have snoot have coot have ….. well they did not…. This race was not won by a car but by a driver. What is obvious is that the race commentators like to talk about the British drivers and not spend more than three words on the winner, who in fact is competing on his own fighting two complete teams with 4 drivers breathing hot air down his neck.
Well said
Why? Norris totally had time and I remember watching the map and then looking at the order waiting to see Norris “in pit” but nothing. It was SC. Confused I looked at the race, it just turned to Norris at that moment and I yelled, “What?! ….ok….” There’s Verstappen pitting now.. Not sure what they’re trying to do but guess I’ll find out.
I did not find out.
your previous Montreal Driver ratings were absurd.
Yup.. costed him 2 races this yr. They shoulda pitted at the caution. Obv the SC was coming
If Perez does not get his form back before the break, I would like to see tsunoda drive for Redbull
That has to be the reason Tsunoda has been given another year. Why roll the dice with Carlos when Perez could possibly work out or they just replace him with a driver already on the books.
tsunoda will never drive a Red bull, he is too volatile. They do not want anyone who will disturb max
someone tell me when has Perez ever won a race on his pure pace, where he has been the fastest all weekend long ,never .All his wins were because of luck and some decent pace .for eg his first win happened because George had a puncture ,second when max and lewis had retired at the end of the race ,Monaco because he rigged the quali,last year at jeddah because max was unlucky with the safety car .He's never won on pace and if hasn't gotten better it will never get better
For what just to be the same things and he be miles behind Max lol
Well we saw what Tsunoda did in this same race lol
In a word…yes.
Lol
I didn't realise Red Bull is so low of funds they need 2 old paid drivers. i thought they wanted the fastest drivers in both teams. I think Red Bull have forgotten they own 2 racing teams.
Red Bull Main Company are NOT supporting both Red Bull Racing & VCARB like they use to…funds have been slashed & both the Teams need to be funded by Sponsors Mostly…
@@Mandykiss4500 Do you think that is acceptable? With Sponsorship comes exposure and currently it is going out in Q1 and crashing for Perez and Losing to the young talent in Yuki for DR. It is embarrassing because it is a repeat. I loved Perez and DR back in the day but now it seems just wrong. Time to switch to McLaren it seems. Go Lando and Piastri.
I think Perez one is correct but Daniels one is harsh as he has been improving every race recently ,and an interesting stat for dr has out qualified perez in the last 4 qualifying sessions out of the last five in the B team
You are right, Daniel Ricciardo is washed and needs to leave F1
What a ludicrous comment
They obviously didnt! Lando had a chance with fresher tyres and didnt challenge Max! Not even staying within DRS distance. This race was RBR's clearly
Well said
Another great podcast keep up with great work ❤❤❤
Both Lando and Russel made mistakes..Max didnt..so no, McLaren didnt cost Lando anything, both he and Russel lost the race on their own with their mistakes..
As for the safety car, well he got lucky in Miami so..
Max made mistakes. He wins so it doesn't matter, but watch max's onboards for the race and tell me he didn't make mistakes. He went off 3 times I happened to see, maybe more. Not as many as Russell, but what mistakes for Lando lost him the race?
Max also made a mistake in turn 1 actually.
@@flyingomeletteslol
Nothing wrong with McLaren strategy. Norris was already past the pits when safety car came out and their second stop got Norris ahead of Russell on fresher tires later in the race
WRONG!! Lando HIMSELF SAID HE WAS BEFORE PITENTRY when SC was called! He could have pitted! But the team didn’t call him in! That was a huge strategy mistake!!!
Lando has a lot of time left for McLaren to cost him more wins. It is nice to see them getting the opportunity to let him down on track, rather than doing it back in the factory.
Lol
Merc had no chance of winning honestly
Sargeant cost him the win. 11 seconds would have been a hard gap to overturn
😂😂😂 there were 2 SC’s and McLaren didn’t pit Lando on that first one, they waited 1 lap, their mistake… Lando was still before pitentry and he could’ve pitted as he himself said…
And the 2 restarts, Max nailed those and created a 5 sec and a 3 sec gap…. Lando wasn’t fast enough on the last 2 stints
@@Redlingstein
11 second gap would give a good amount of time to react to any strategy calls, also, for future SCs, overtaking was going to be very difficult off the dry line
With no SCs at all Norris easily wins that race
I dont see why nobody sees the obvious fact that the 2nd stop for lewis was supposed to be softs cause its only 12 laps to go. The soft can do 15 laps on max speed. At worst he should have had a Mid tire. There is no reason why they should even have considered a hard tire, weather was too cool and the laps too few.
He did not have new softs
The softs don’t last 12 laps on that track!!!!
On USED SOFTS he would’ve fallen back way back after lap 5. This track eats the softs. Tyre wear is high
Mercedes is going to be weak next year if they hire Kimi Antoneli his not even ready for f2 yet.
To be fair his is lack of success can ALSO be attributed to Prema having a down year in F2
They have been testing him in F1 cars, it's much more relevant than his F2 campaign.
He is 30 points above Bearman
Yes.
The title of this his podcast video is obviously clickbait for comments engagement, because it’s Logan Sargent’s incompetent driving that brought out a safety car and melted Lando Norris’ 15 second lead
😂😂😂 Max had 5 sec gap and 3 sec lap gone by the next 2 SC’s……. Stop finding excuses. In rain races ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN, VSC/SC/Red flags… you can expect all on drying track with old inters and cold slicks…
ctrl-alt-delete hasn't reset PCs for a decade
If they put lewis on mediums like they did George he gets the podium
Nope, he had only USED MEDIUMS left….and NEW HARDS were faster. On old mediums LH would’ve been behind Piastri…..
get the facts straight!
Sargeant, Zhou, Stroll, Kmag, Ric and Checo are bringing shame to Formula 1
DR Qualified 5th finished 8th and is somehow shameful?
I expect nothing less from this podcast audience.
Fans hating like you bring shame to F1…..
No they didn't, Logan Sargent cost him the win
Victimhood…
There were multiple SC’s…and SC restarts… and Lando wasn’t fast enough.
Did Mercedes cost Lewis Hamilton win?)
No his qualifying position did.
No. Lewis Cost Himself a Possible Win by NOT Qualifying High Enough!
Lewis problem was his starting position and then being stuck behind Alonso for so long.
😂😂😂
Nope, Hamilton cost Hamilton the win.