My opinion is I don’t need homeless women having babies, incarcerated women having babies, meth addicts having babies, rape babies, incest babies, we don’t need uneducated broke women who don’t even know who the kids father is to have those babies. In my opinion there are so many acceptable scenarios to get an abortion I would not try and judge them case by case and just say anyone who wants one is allowed to get one and I really believe this is one of the best things for our country.
@@ginenereed6043 imagine if there’s a woman that’s a hard-core alcoholic she’s drinking an entire bottle of vodka a day every day. She goes to the emergency room due to severe stomach pains and they tell her she’s four to five months pregnant. If she quits drinking cold turkey she’ll die from the withdrawal. Is this not a perfect candidate for abortion?
@@JayJay-tm7xw more like if your argument is consistent she should be allowed to do whatever she wants, if she wants to keep the kid and keep drinking who are you to tell her she can't?
Calling child services is coming from someone else though, the abortion is still the women choice, as is using meth. She will have to deal with the consequences.
If the woman wants to keep the child then she can't be harming it by taking drugs. If the woman doesn't wish to keep the child then she can't be forced to keep it. It's very simple.
Never understood that while a fetus is not a human being but killing a pregnant woman in a DIU accident results in a double vehicular manslaughter charge. How can it be both a human being and NOT a human being at the same time?
double vehicular manslaughter is a consequent of the position that the fetus has the intentional properties of a human being though, so whoever came up with that law probably argues with you already (and me)
It's because the court system is designed to benefit the gov and private corporate interests. Courts are not as much about justice as they are about profit. And an extra charge means extra profit.
Yeah I would say someone that gets an abortion is intentionally trying to kill a child. Pregnant woman that's using drugs is probably just trying to get high.
Yes, but doing meth isn't intentionally trying to kill a child, whereas abortion absolutely is. So it is really strange that he came to this conclusion so naturally.
She can't do meth because she's intentionally trying to kill a child which is not ok. Except when shes intentionally trying to kill a child via medical means. Gotcha! Made it so clear. Thanks!
@@jnananinja7436 just plain wrong. The question is about the morality of harming a foetus. The illegality of meth has no bearing on the answer. They might as well have said alcohol
@@harryb9390 I’m not wrong. He changed the argument as a diversion. And even if you take alcohol as the example, it is perfectly legal for a pregnant mother to drink. Or should she be thrown in jail? A pregnant meth addict or alcoholic should get an abortion asap. That’s the only rational solution.
@@jnananinja7436really if it was so illegal why do we have people out in California on skid row doing it all day while Biden gives them supplies to do it with? Come on now we know what’s happening there it doesn’t change the fact ether way your intentions are to kill the baby
"Can parents put their kids in fost care?" "Yeah, if thats what is good for them" "Can you leave your child in the hands of strangers and the government" "No thats irresponsible"
I remember my ex feminist girlfriend started freaking out about a pregnant woman smoking once and i reminded her she was pro choice. She only could justify her stance due to that seeing a pregnant woman smoking is aesthetically displeasing to her from her moral high ground.. she would also flip out if we passed someone in traffic who didn’t have their kids in a car seat. On top of shit like this she was a complete hypocrite. She would later lie about abuse from everyone in her life including me. Pathological liar who constantly projects her own self hatred onto others. 2019 we ended it and im finally almost done with parole and the final pages of that chapter. FYI shes been hitting me up recently and bombarding me with texts , some like we never broke up and some saying sorry.. but of course never for lying in a court about me. I have texts emails and voice messages that just are scary and sad.
"...to murder her own child..."🤔 There are so many things wrong with this statement that I don't even know where to begin. For instance, if it was true than we wouldn't exist on planet Earth, the reproduction would be counterproductive.
Yeah nah Y'all "critical thinkers" eat shit at your own game If we weponize logic against an open minded individual, better take all aspects in consideration. Was there a "mens rea" (evil intent) in: Option A, act of abortion, which is a choice: killing a fetus SO IT WOULDN'T DAMAGE A FUCKING CHILDS LIFE and add to a drug addict demographic Or Option B, meth. Literal fucking addiction. Damaging cerebral and reproductive capabilities. Making an adult almost legally and mentally incapacitated. The thing that will PREVENT HEALTHY *IF ANY* OFFSPRING. Answer: The fuck is wrong with you, people? Option A has to have the right to not bring life into hell. Doesn't have malicious intent, matter of fact, has the opposite. And option B still should have the opportunity to not bring offspring in this world, IF THEY ARE CEREBRAL ENOUGH in the first place to even understand why that is bad. (Bringing a child straight into drug abuse, poverty, addiction, lack of education and social development) Now hear me out on this one. I may be incorrect. But I strongly believe otherwise. I get the push of AntiAbortion movement. It does good: 1) Demolishes non-comitted relationships and tries to bring more accountability into the process of building a family 2) Makes both genders think before adding 1 and 0 together. This has logic in it, Lots of it. !!!!!!BUT NOT TO THE POINT WHERE IT JUSTIFIES SUCH A RADICAL CHANGE!!!!!! 3) Promotes use of intelegence, condoms and oral contraceptives, as well as IUDs and vasectomies. Or at the very least less promiscuous behaviour. I can get behind this. This point is solid and valid through and through. (Might as well triple the sales of Durex, lmao) 4) Cares for the oversensitive folk of America that think in concepts, not rues And those rules state that demographic will still try to find a way to abort. As with everything, forbidden fruit isn't less desired. This applies to gun control, too, btw. You are not getting positives without the obvious negatives, which may include: - Baby boom, you're denied an opportunity to abort, +1 soul - Lack of motivated, thus, responsible parenting. - Drug and alcohol abuse spike, comes in the package with the next point. - General depression, caused by fear of accountability and consequences (less sex, in already sexless demographic) - And then the atomic bomb will catch up, the people who were born and raised by those, who least wanted it, but never had the opprtunity to control their penis/vagina - Suicide rates, up. Wages across country, down. Low end jop applicants, through the roof. Please, explain to me your point. I really am open to interpretation. I simply do not understand the risk assessment. I need your help.
He's making a stupid argument, but this hypothetical would only be one of many instances in which the taking of a life is acceptable provided it's done in the most humane way possible, so your argument is potentially more stupid than his.
@@dynomantar9733what are you on about? I have made no argument whatsoever...all I did was follow his flawed argument to its logical and foolish conclusion to show Irony Bro...big L on your part
@@stevetherush1193 unfortunately bro, you don't even understand how wrong you are, but i must applaud your hubris. If you'd like i could explain it to you, but you've demonstrated you're very confident in your superior intelligence and likely unwilling to learn.
@@dynomantar9733 😂😂😂appears in my comment, calls me stupid for an argument I didn't make, tells me I i have hubris, refuses to expound while saying I am unlikely to learn Bro, you wont win any awards here for wordplay or pretentiousness, either get off your high horse and explain yourself or keep on it and excuse yourself, coz you're contributing nothing by your own logic. Why are you even here then? Coz I won't beg you for your wisdom😂😂😂😂
I'M SORRY, WHAT'S THE PROBLEM HERE? MOTHER WANTS TO DO METH, SHE DOES IT... SO WHAT?? SHE HAS TO LIVE WITH THE CONSEQUENCE. WE DON'T AGREE, BUT IT'S NOT OUR CHOICE TO MAKE. WHAT IS THE BIG DEAL HERE?
@@KendrysDraws not if you abort the fetus before it becomes a child. Go ahead and smoke meth if you’re going to have an abortion. It would be more immoral to not abort a fetus after smoking meth while you have it in the womb.
Im sure you would admit pro life is all about controlling people then. Anyone trying to take away your rights will try and make you feel like it's a good thing , if they didn't, no one would give up their rights. Everyone born can make their own choices , nobody else should be controlling their choices. Pro life activists think its ok to control other people's choices based on their feelings . Unborn people can't make choices, so pro life activists like to make a choice for that unborn person , saying every unborn person wants to live . At the same time they say the choices of the person already born doesn't matter . Pro life = Pro Control (slavery) 😁 Let people live their lives ! Stop trying to control people
@@Thevoiceinsidemyhead-bh8ky actually pro choice/murder is controlling... You're controlling the actions of that baby and not giving a chance at a full life.
30 weeks pregnant and my daughter is literally complete. All she needs to do is gain weight and that's it. She was a person the entire time though. At 7 weeks, we heard her heartbeat. At 9 weeks, we knew she was a girl. At 15 weeks, I felt her kick, and at 21 my husband felt and could see her move. She responds to my voice, calms down with music, jumps to loud sounds and gets fussy if I don't eat for us. I love her and have gotten her everything she needs and I haven't even named her yet. She's my beautiful daughter and me and her father will love her for as long as we live. It's called being a mom.
The woman can abort the baby but if she is murdered while pregnant, the killer faces two charges off homicide. One for the mother and one for the preborn child. Think about that.
I would’ve answered the question completely differently. I would have said “Oh that’s a perfect example, a woman who is addicted to meth and using it regularly while pregnant should absolutely get an abortion.” The average woman doesn’t realize she’s pregnant until 6-8 weeks in. I imagine for a hardcore drug addict it could be even later. I also imagine this meth addict is most likely unemployed has little to no education has little to no family support, has a criminal history, poor medical health even worse mental health. This is EXACTLY why we need abortion. Thank you for the Question!
@@C-weyin his mind, she wasn't choosing to kill the baby, it was a byproduct of her own selfish desires, so she's guilty. But, if she goes to the abortion clinic for any reason, it's a conscious decision, so she's fine. Not saying it's right, he just thinks it's fine as long as the mother is absolutely sure she wants to kill that baby. Can't be an accident, has to be intentional. Shame his mother didn't at least do a little meth in his pre years.
They actually DON'T & can't get involved until the infant is born AND tested for the drugs. The baby has to test positive in order for them to take it from the mother. Often, if they don't catch the babies' first urination they lose the ability to prove it (with drugs that leave the system quickly like meth) with cannabis obviously they can continue to test for a longer period after birth.
And they keep using this argument that it's the woman's body. No. Now, there are two bodies. One belongs to the woman and the other belongs to a completely different person.
I can't believe after all these years that it hasn't been settled that the baby's body is not part of the mother's body. The baby is a separate entity. The mother supplies nutrients and so forth to the baby. The baby is not physically part of her simply because they are attached. The mother's placenta, through the umbilical cord, provides sustenance for the baby. After birth the umbilical cord is severed and the mother sustains the baby through her breasts. The baby "attaches" itself to the mother and draws sustenance from her. At no time is the baby ever part of the mother's body. We have laws that don't allow women to do whatever they want with their bodies. So the argument that a woman has right to do whatever she wants to an unborn infant because she supposedly has the right to choose what happens to her body is nonsense.
She is responsible for taking care of herself and thereby taking care of the unborn human inside her. Her choice whether or not to take care of a potential human that depends on her body to develop far enough to live outside of her body is made before she has intercourse. When she has intercourse that results in her becoming pregnant, the intercourse itself is the action that says : I want a baby. This is also true, of course, with the man. So, the choice is made before the intercourse is engaged in.
If you don't want a baby, but you want to have intercourse, then take measures to insure that a pregnancy doesn't result from it. At the same time, accepting that if a pregnancy results from the pleasure, you both will accept the new human you have created.
Lol no he didn't. I'm pro-choice and just because this dude is logically inconsistent doesn't mean abortion is bad and that an embryo is a human with all its entailed rights
@@TRuth-he3ij hahaha it is literal birth control, but no one is using abortion in place of contraceptives. From what I hear it's pretty painful, but even if someone were to "be using it as birth control" what's your proposal? Just one abortion allowed per person? Lol, dumb
No he didn't, earth is overpopulated as it is, the better way to fix earth and have it where ONLY wealthy people exist is to not allow ANY births whatsoever to anyone poor point blank. The problem I have with the Pro Choice/Pro Life debate is EXACTLY that you're ONLY "Pro Life" when its inside the womb but once it's born fuck that baby, if you were TRULY "Pro Life" then no medical patients at all whatsoever would be charged a bill after treatment aka Universal Healthcare, Education all the way through college would be paid for and school lunch debt wouldn't exist either. You REALLY want to be "Pro Life" then start with the human ALREADY IN EXISTENCE not the ones in the womb
The problem is there is no “make both sides” happy solution to abortion. When the sides are “Women shouldn’t automatically loose rights to her body and autonomy because she was jizzed in” and “Abortion kills babies,” like what is the happy medium there?
@@lars5671 sure, but that doesn’t account for rape, broken condoms, failed birth control, and unexpected life changes. Not to mention those who’d say you shouldn’t even think about sex till you’re married.
So let me get this straight…intentionally killing an unborn child is bad if you “CHOOSE ” to do meth, but intentionally killing an unborn child is ok if you “CHOOSE” abort that same child. Now I understand and I am finally “woke” as a result of this amazing activist!
There’s a right and wrong way to do things. Doing hard drugs to kill a developing child inside of you is obviously a bad way of dealing with an unwanted child. Having it medically removed is entirely different. If you can’t understand the difference then idk what to tell you.
@@justinjakel8816 The reality of the situation is what I already said. There’s a right way and a wrong way. If you’re going to consider every way to be some evil murderous act, then you’re already choosing to ignore any other possibility. Suicide is generally considered bad, but some countries have assisted suicide where it is determined that some people should be allowed to end their life based on their situation and they can do so with the help of medical professionals. Unfortunately not every country has this, but for the ones that do this would be considered the correct way. As opposed to almost any other way that would create a negative situation for anyone else who has to deal with it afterwards. I mean smoking meth is already an illegal and socially unacceptable thing to do by itself. But it would cause harm to the baby and possibly the mother down the line. That would be considered a cruel way of treating a developing child, even if it’s unwanted. An abortion is the opposite of that. But again, you probably consider it to be evil and murderous no matter what, and you’d probably cite some hypocritical bs from the Bible. Just a guess.
@@II_GTA_FREEK_II you’ve confirmed my comment about wisdom as yet again you throw accusations and assumptions of who I am and what I believe even after telling that you and I most likely feel the same on this issue. Not everyone who sees things for what they are and not for what a bunch of fancy words can spin them into are bible thumpers and believe pro-choice is evil. But based on your desire to tout your educated verbiage, and your insistence on painting me in a box, based on nothing, you know about me whatsoever you tells me most likely that you are not very wise, but definitely educated and book smart.
@@justinjakel8816 Based on nothing? You haven’t said where you stand on any of this, so if you’re upset that I’ve made an assumption based on what you HAVE said, that’s your fault. And so far what you HAVE said would have me assume you’re not pro choice at all. So maybe instead of getting upset by my assumption, you’d like to use your next reply to actually chime in here with something concrete.
The biggest delusion is that people think the baby is part of the woman's body. However, if you remove the baby from the woman, she still remains intact. The baby is a separate person from the mother, not a part of her body. What used to be the safest place in the world for a child, is now the most dangerous
@@kamilb8232 there are many cases of premature births where the baby survives when incubated. The best environment for growth is in the mother. In any case, we all need proper conditions to survive.
@@johngajdos7950We're not talking about artificial incubation. We're talking about whether or not the fetus survives when removed from the woman before a certain threshold. Simply put, it doesn't, so it is still a part of the woman's body. Thus, it is subject to her whims. Period.
@@AndrewDeLong okay, cornball. If you removed from the Earth and you die because you don't have the atmosphere to live in anymore, does that mean you're part of the Earth? Stop presenting stupid ideas. What I find comical is that everyone else has been agreeing with me, and you're all butt hurt about it. Go ahead and mash the thumbs down because you know you want to, and then be on your way.
Did Tim Pool go to the orphan house a'd adopted some children? It's all easy to yell "pro life, let the children be born" but when asked who's gonna care for them, the silence will be your answer
@@stoneyhigh05 Why are you trying to shove the responsibility of someone's own bad choices on others? Get it through your skull: ACTIONS HAVE CONSEQUENCES The only orphans we Should have are the ones who's parents DIED
@@suereynolds74 Nobody ever mentions that a good number of people who did great things came from nothing (And let's be real, necessity, not comfort, is the drive behind human achievement)
@@lloydmunga4961 This person definitely did get the point. Meth is illegal because it is dangerous to the user, regardless of whether or not they are pregnant. No one is allowed to do meth. Now you may say “so what about alcohol? Can she drink while pregnant?” Short answer is yes. Won’t be the best for the child, but whatever you put in your body is your choice and you will have to face the consequences. Eating a diet consisting of entirely rose petals while pregnant is not going to be good for the child, should that be allowed? Should we feed pregnant women a strict diet of nutrient rich pellets like they are animals??? No, we have the freedom to decide what we eat and therefore the outcome of a pregnancy.
Except he will never admit his logic is that flawed because if he does... his entire fan base will turn on him like wild dogs. Leftists are a violent, totalitarian cult who will destroy their own at the drop of an unacceptable thought.
This isn't red-pilling. Everyone involved in this scenario is ignorant. The guys posing the hypothetical don't know why their example is flawed and not related to abortion. But the guy being asked is just as stupid for not knowing why their question is flawed. Using drugs during pregnancy is causing FUTURE HARM to a human that WILL be born harmed. Future harm is a well established concept in the law already in other areas, and could equally be applied to pregnancy without infringing on abortion rights. The legal issue with future harm isn't about protecting supposed rights of the fetus, rather its about protecting the right of the future child who has full rights upon its birth. On that basis, laws can be enacted to blanket criminalize drug use during pregnancy, to prevent said drug use, up to court ordered forced hospitalization of pregant drug users who wont stop using drugs, so as to prevent said drug use by force if need be. The issue isn't that the fetus supposedly has rights. The issue is that the born child HAS rights at birth, which the pregnant drug user violated before it was born with past actions that resulted in foreseable future harm of the future human with full future rights. Therefore, this isn't a scenario that affects abortion rights. You can continue using your drugs after you abort, so you don't cause future harm on a future human with future rights that you intended to be born. Doctors can already be held civilly liable for any forseable future harm caused to a person who is born with defects because of medical negligence. Where the acts causing future harm were deliberate on the part of the doctor, criminal liability would attach, not just civil. The same criminal liability could be extended to pregnant drug users who knowingly cause future harm on a person they birth.
That very specific question came out of nowhere so I'm guessing that they were probably having a conversation about this topic before the show and Tim knew how to trap him.
If a pregnant woman is murdered, 38 states recognize this as a double homicide. Personally, if it doesn't effect me then I tend not to fixate on it, but I don't understand how it can be murder in one instance, and women's rights in another. This applies regardless of the circumstances of the pregnancy but for this question, assume it's a healthy woman with a healthy pregnancy that was the result of consensual sex. Why is it homicide in one case, choice in another?
No it doesn't because even when it's a medical necessity, for whatever reason, if it's against the law, doctors can't do shit and both can die instead. They've put voluntary/contraceptive abortion under the same umbrella as a medically necessary procedure.
@@Shane-hx4xpit doesn't solve rape and force pregnancies.. But yes he is kinda right... Prevention is better than cure. Don't go hoeing around and f..k whoever you want just like a street dog..That way u won't have to do abortions .. Easy pizzzy... Or if u do and get pregnant in that process, u should take up the responsibility of raising a child, and if u decide to abort.. Then congrats on being a murderer
@@Shane-hx4xpyeah, basically? it's a totally separate debate when you bring unwanted pregnancy from things like SA and r@pe, but accidental pregnancy from 2 consenting adults can very much be prevented by using protection, therefore meaning a debate on abortion is not needed. I am pro choice btw.
@@grimdarkness2137 it’s not a separate debate, it’s all the same debate. You’re obviously not pro choice if this is your argument. Protection is not a 100% guarantee, it reduces the chances but it doesn’t eliminate them. You sound foolish.
I won’t. I have seen the devastation abortion does to so many women, usually years later when mental health problems have overwhelmed them, once you go digging for the root problems often they began after they got an abortion. Very few girls/women get to make a truly informed choice about abortion. They only hear the benefits of and inconvenience of having a baby before it is wanted. They rarely get to hear the fetal heartbeat before an abortion. It has been shown that once a pregnant girl/women who is unsure if she wants to keep the baby gets to see her baby on an ultrasound and see and hear the babies heart beating, they can’t actually go through with it. Also you rarely hear about failed abortions, these often happen in the 2nd and 3rd trimester when the abortion process fails to kill the baby and the baby comes out alive, crying and trying to breath. This wrecks a women’s mental health every time!! They know they tried to kill their baby or they proceed and the baby is left to die without medical assistance. One way trip to deep anxiety and depression. So no I do not support this psychological harm women inflict on themselves!!
@@Vanessa-lf2jnit's none of your business on whether or not a woman you don't know and will never meet has an abortion or not, their situation has nothing to do with you. You don't have the moral high ground you think you do. There's literally hundreds of reasons why a woman will get an abortion or has to get an abortion. Do be so presumptious and patronising in saying that women that get abortions don't know what they're getting themselves in for. I pretty sure they know fully well of the gravity of decision that they're going to make.
There are many things which “aren’t my business” and yet we have or have had laws legislating to that effect. Some people suggest that it should be illegal to produce pornography or to watch it; and yet, someone else making or watching pornography is “none of my business”. We seem to recognize that there are certain behaviors in our society which may not be our business per say, and yet we know that there is and should be a right method of conduct that is legislated, to protect the values of our society and what collectively recognize as just.
He knows how to think like them because he used to be one. I think PBD is great too! He lets them hang their selfs with his awesome line of questioning.
Arguing with an idiot doesn't make you smart. The difference between harming a foetus by taking meth and aborting it for the benefit of your own life and theirs, is far more nuanced. They shouldn't be equated, because they're not equal.
@@jumpingsloth3963 But it would infringe on the rights of the fetus carrier. Because it's a fetus, not a child. It *could* be a child, but until it can sustain and regulate it's own autonomic funtions and is outside the womb it's a fetus. And some people decide to not have kids because we live in a world where some people can't access medical care or an adequate amount of food. Or they have no reason to believe that conditions won't continue to get worse. Like with the economy or climate change... or international politics. And don't forced birthers usually also believe in the parents' right to decide things for their kids? Even to the point of whether or not to get life-saving vaccines? What if that potential parent decided it would be better to not let their kid grow up in an increasingly hostile capitalist hellscape? Or, if you _must_ see a fetus as a full-on human... that means the kid went to heaven having never sinned, right? Why would anyone want to stop people from getting into heaven?
@@Anon9897-tj1dzI'm sure there are people, kids, that suffer and would be devastated if someone told them they should've never been born... because that's so fked up. You are so fked up.
@@MW-ov8wi That is hilariously wrong. Imagine this. You're a homeless woman, got beat up and raped by a criminal. You got pregnant. You have nearly nothing to your name and you know for a fact this child will only experience suffering. This child, that you did not want. In this situation, who in their right mind would want to suffer through childbirth, only to have a baby who was no father and you cannot take care of?
@@memesterjohnson4096 You are advocating for their suffering. THAT is the most heartless act. And who DOES decide? Cause the child can't. Life is not worth living when you will just suffer. Period.
My stance is simple: I don't like abortion, and there are times that things are none of my business. This is a 9th amendment issue, and falls under none of my business.
The funny thing is, in that situation, she's NOT intentionally trying to kill the baby. She's trying to get high, and harm to the baby is an unwanted side-effect
That is true and ppl like him are why so many addicts dont reach out for help when they are pregnant. Ppl wanr to jail us and take our baby away instead of helping yet susie down the road can literally flush her baby down the toilet and that makes her brave and stunning
Women have a CHOICE all right. It’s called effective birth control, abstinence, adoption, or raising a child. Abortion should NEVER be a form of birth control.
With all the birth control choices available, an abortion should only be used in extraordinary circumstances which is a very, very small percentage of the time.
So lets say you have a 12 year old daughter who is raped by someone with HIV and severely defective chromosones. Testing shows the baby will be born with HIV and serious mental and physical disabilities and health issues. Are you still going to force your already massively traumatised daughter to continue with the pregnancy to full term to give birth to a child with zero chance of long term survival?......
I think you overestimate women's choice in the matter and you fail to consider some important things. 1 in 6 american women have been victim to attempted or completed rape, contraceptives don't always work and some people are just uneducated on sex, intoxicated or plain stupid. Why should we punish them for 18+ years for a mistake? Is it reasonable to bring an unwanted child to this world?
Accidents happen even with birth control used and a Womans body is altered permanently from a full pregnancy...Im pro choice till the end of the first trimester after that Im pro life.
"Before I formed thee in the belly, I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations" Jeremiah I:5 KJV ☝️😲❤️✝️
People with this level of moral delinquency are never wrong (in their minds)and can never be reasoned with. Doing meth while pregnant is intentionally taking the life of a child but intentionally taking a life in a medical process is not... intentional?!
Arguing with an idiot doesn't make you smart. The difference between harming a foetus by taking meth and aborting it for the benefit of your own life and theirs, is far more nuanced. They shouldn't be equated, because they're not equal.
This is why the side arguing to allow evil always devolves into screaming (la la la I can’t hear you now), walking away, or violence (tearing away signs, assault, etc). They have no coherent argument, and/or have touched that evil sometime in their past and refuse to acknowledge the debt and pursue forgiveness (including forgiving themselves).
Calling it child services is the acknowledgement that it's a child. Edit: I didn't realise how my comment could be interpreted as both pro and against- at the time of conception.
@@dan-lr4zm You might want to try A) figuring out what language it is that you are currently speaking, B) looking up the definition of the word "baby" in a dictionary of the language you are speaking, and C) noting its differences to the definitions of the words "child" and "offspring" while also noting that colloquial definitions of these words do not apply in the context of a discussion about abortion. I do not care one Tinkerbell's fart what "fetus" meant in Latin 3,000 years ago, we're speaking English now. In English, the words "fetus" and "baby" represent two mutually exclusive stages of human development. Because a baby is specifically an infant, as opposed to a fetus, you see. The two being separated by the act of birth. Welcome to linguistics and how language changes over time. In this case, over about 3,000 years and through the influence of two other languages (Latin through German and French, smashed together to make modern English (over a course of the last ~1,000 years, and then Americanized over ~500 years of that.)
@@SharkVsTreeLet's have a civil discussion. I find that lists don't ever help achieve a common ground. If anything it only makes people dig their heels in further. I appreciate that you are operating from a scientifically factual standpoint, while some are responding from an ethically factual standpoint. When it comes to the etymology of words a fetus is often referred to as an unborn child in the common era (both scientifically and ethically). Sectioning human life into stages is a hard one to reconcile. If a person is too old, or disabled at birth, or has even a slight physical anomaly, that makes no difference to their lives (like an inny or an outy 😂) does that make them any less human? I'm sure we could both agree that it wouldn't. In my opinion, fetus, offspring, baby, child or adult remains still, human. The real question isn't pro life or pro choice. The real question is, is it ever justified to end human life? Criminal and/or innocent. If so, who decides, how, when and where? And at the expense of who's conscience, because someone will have to pay for the toll of that burden.
Abortion......some cases 100% qualify for termination of the pregnancy. I also think that it should be a choice of both parents, just because the women doesn't want the child, doesn't mean the father is not qualified to raise the child. Medical circumstances, as in risk to mothers health or probable disability, make a difference. Teenage pregnancy is another talking point as well as we have to look at the fact that people should be fit to be parents and able to provide independently for their child. It's a conversation that is potentially never ending.
I can personally confirm that it’s challenging for teenagers to have a child. Financially, emotionally, and even spiritually unprepared for the amount of work needed to raise a child when my mindset was still that of a child. It’s kinda like you either neglect your responsibility OR you have to grow tf up faster than your friends. Did my kids get the best clothes or go to private school, no, but they understand the value of money and hard work. In any event, I’m glad I was still young enough to physically run and play with my children because I didn’t wait until I was 40.
@MrHeuvaladao Show me one example of a leftist declining a reasonable offer of debate, I beg you. When you do your research, you will find that this is pure projection from talking heads on the right.
This guy doesn't speak for one single voter besides himself. Get it? Now, go ahead, ask me - a super liberal - about abortion and I will tell you that, like the vast majority of us, I agree with the Roe v. Wade standard. Now, read up on that and get back to me. Very, very few late term abortions are/were happening in America. So you're not smart and you don't understand the real debate.
Those are stages of development. He's not saying a clump of cells or a fetus is a child. Nor would he call a pregnancy in its third trimester a clump of cells or a fetus. Not the "gotcha" moment you think you had.
@@Yumums Who has ever said microorganisms are not life? Microorganisms are everywhere. What does that have to do with anything? And who is "they"? This is one guy.
@@ohyeaaaa1 The whole argument is the picture not just what his one point of the argument. One of the big arguments from those that are pro abortion is that the child is "a clump of cells". Thus his response was to that ideal as a whole not just the one moment..
The mother should be allowed to do whatever she wants with her body. However she should also be accountable for whatever the consequences are to another person. Abortion should carry a premeditated murder charge...
@@usgamechamp1091 Good point. We should allow abortions to infants recently born who are still breast feeding, since they rely upon their mothers body.
The issue is NEVER "is that acceptable," the issue is "should a woman or her doctor(s) be prosecuted as criminals if they do that." So, no, taking meth while pregnant is not acceptable, but NO a pregnant women should NOT be criminally charged with endangerment to a child while it is within her.
@@buckmarley619sd9no she cannot as she intends to complete the pregnancy. Then it does become someone else’s body as a completed pregnancy will result in a baby.
@@thomassinikangasit was allready someone elses body it was just inside the mother there is nothing magical that happens at birth where the child is now a child no it was a child from conception a human being that is a life
This is a stupid analogy. She can do meth jf she intends to terminate, but if not then yea she is harming the child. At the end of the day it’s her body and as immoral as it is to terminate it ultimately has to be her choice.
Still, it's a personal choice. Abortion was legal not too long ago. Somebody else made that choice for you and they still are. Pro-choice for everyone.
@LightHawkAlchemist That or just make the choice to not be irresponsible if you don't want a kid. Dissecting the kid before it can be born and stealing a life out of convenience sure isn't a humane move. We are pro life, you are pro abortion. There is not anti choice just because you can't recognize that at that point you already made your choice
@weethistle_ Sure... keep killing your own offspring and encouraging others to do the same as you judge me. I don't feel bad for you or the guilt you'll carry, but I do feel bad for the child you're snuffing out and directing before without even giving them a fighting chance. Makes you wonder what if your parents had chosen to do the same. But you wouldn't have counted as a life right? Because you sure wouldn't have been convenient.
No, they're not evil. They just know that you don't know better that everyone else how to deal with the circumstances of their own lives, and that others have just as much of a right as you do to what goes on inside of their own bodies.
@@viktormuerteWhy would they admit to something they're literally not doing? It's not their fault that you apparently can't tell the difference between a fetus and a baby, or that you haven't bothered to understand what is biologically occurring over the course of the nine months it takes for a zygote to grow into a self-functional human being. The rest of us don't necessarily need to agree with how you choose to perceive things, you see. And when you're not the one who happens to be pregnant, ultimately, it's really none of your business at all. The US constitution has pretty clearly established that as of 155 years ago. Welcome to the concepts of religious freedom, equal rights, and individual liberty the United States constitution was designed to protect.
Yeah because murder goes against the will of the pregnant, abortion is a choice for the pregnant, not for anyone else Pro-choice is also against forced abortions(which happened/happens even within anti-abortion people like nuns) 🤷🏻♂️
@@MatthewJoseph-tm9oo Huh. Interesting. I never thought of it that way. Now, I get it. Someone might say, "That Matthew is a real F'ing A-hole!" Another might respond, "Yes, he is, but we call him an idiot because it sounds nicer."
I have never heard of anyone having a funeral for the fetus after a miscarriage. Because it is a fetus, not a person. I say like the great Dave Chapelle: anyone with a dick should shut the f**k up about this!
@@MatthewJoseph-tm9ooyet years later some women grieve for said "fetus". What's that all about? Where does this regret come from ?(if she did abort the fetus)
That is twisted logic. Pro Choice refers to whether to terminate an early pregnancy or keep it. If the woman chooses to keep the pregnancy, she is required to the best of her ability to keep the fetus healthy.
No logical argument for abortion, one makes a decision before sex. That is called intelligent and responsible living, any thing else is irresponsible living. Dose anyone put the gun to their head and pull the triger before checking to see if the gun is loaded if they want to live? The principal is the same, the situation may be different but the principal remains the same. That is very basic reasoning. It' just that laziness has become the current excuse for everything!
This video changed my mind about this issue. I was never easy about my position anyway but it’s funny how a little snippet of information can have an effect. Thanks for sharing whoever you are.
This is propaganda pushing for an agenda. Intentionally hurting a fetus is illegal, because it doesn’t guarantee an abortion and if the fetus continues to develop there is a high chance that any baby born will have severe effects from the substance use. My view is that there is a natural occurring moment in time of pregnancy were a fetus become a baby. This has to do with its ability to live or survive on its own. A pregnant woman should be able to choose a medical option for abortion until that moment, after which it should only be an option if it’s medically recommended because the mothers life’s at risk.
How? The person doing meth is planning on having a baby that will be born with challenges. The person having the abortion is ending it before it begins. Not the same at all
It shouldn't really be that persuasive of an argument because once you think it through, you realize that ofc she should be allowed to do meth. Maybe meth is a bad example because meth is illegal for everyone, but replace meth with alcohol. Should the state be allowed to tell a pregnant woman she can't drink? I would say "No.. her body her choice." Same as meth, same as killing it.
@@jamiescollon8488 The point is, you are suffering from cognitive dissonance. If you think "that's different," then you need to come up with a different argument besides female bodily autonomy to justify abortion. Because bodily autonomy also justifies alcohol abuse. One argument might be that unborn babies are living property. In the same way you can humanely kill, but not torture a dog, the same line of logic could apply to the fetus. But ofc that has problems of its own. There's no clear reason why this property designation should end at birth as there is with the bodily autonomy argument. Also D and E abortions would not pass the humane test. There's a lot of problems with any argument in favor of abortion if you also care about internal consistency (which liberals don't so it doesn't really matter). Personally, I like abortion on purely pragmatic grounds: most women aborting babies are lower class minorities and having fewer of them in the society is a net positive.
That moment of internal realisation was priceless. The use of the ‘meth’ analogy was brilliant, to illustrate the gigantic black hole in abortionist arguments. 👏
One of the problems is that they don't even care if it's logical or not.
Yeah the prolifers throwing in the non sequitur is certainly baffling
Does the fetus and the mother have the exact same dna? If they do not, doesn't that make them two different bodies?
@@GamingTimeStation they don’t have the exact DNA. Half of it is the father’s.
@@michaelbenge2388 yep
@@westeralex1someone just learned the phrase “non sequitur” but doesn’t know how to use it yet ;)
"Can a woman get an abortion?"
"Of course. It's her body."
"Can that same woman do meth?"
"No, that will harm the child."
My opinion is I don’t need homeless women having babies, incarcerated women having babies, meth addicts having babies, rape babies, incest babies, we don’t need uneducated broke women who don’t even know who the kids father is to have those babies. In my opinion there are so many acceptable scenarios to get an abortion I would not try and judge them case by case and just say anyone who wants one is allowed to get one and I really believe this is one of the best things for our country.
And an abortion will have the child to the degree of death 😢
@@ginenereed6043 you don’t think a pregnant meth head is a perfect candidate for abortion? I would have answered this question totally differently.
@@ginenereed6043 imagine if there’s a woman that’s a hard-core alcoholic she’s drinking an entire bottle of vodka a day every day. She goes to the emergency room due to severe stomach pains and they tell her she’s four to five months pregnant. If she quits drinking cold turkey she’ll die from the withdrawal. Is this not a perfect candidate for abortion?
@@JayJay-tm7xw more like if your argument is consistent she should be allowed to do whatever she wants, if she wants to keep the kid and keep drinking who are you to tell her she can't?
"She's intentionally trying to kill the child."
Unlike abortion??!! 🤦
Poof his head exploded. How can these so called smart people have no common sense.
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Calling child services is coming from someone else though, the abortion is still the women choice, as is using meth. She will have to deal with the consequences.
If the woman wants to keep the child then she can't be harming it by taking drugs. If the woman doesn't wish to keep the child then she can't be forced to keep it. It's very simple.
❤😂❤😂❤😂❤😂❤😂❤❤😂❤ So the baby doesn't have a body...Makes NO sense...😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮
Never understood that while a fetus is not a human being but killing a pregnant woman in a DIU accident results in a double vehicular manslaughter charge.
How can it be both a human being and NOT a human being at the same time?
Because different people write different laws.
double vehicular manslaughter is a consequent of the position that the fetus has the intentional properties of a human being though, so whoever came up with that law probably argues with you already (and me)
If fetus is not human being what is it frog pig chicken
It's because the court system is designed to benefit the gov and private corporate interests. Courts are not as much about justice as they are about profit. And an extra charge means extra profit.
@@michalwrzosek2849 it's a clump of human cells. A human being has a brain and self awareness.
Intentionally trying to kill the child? Wow thats a first
Maybe she's just trying to get high.
If you new using a drug could kill an unborn child,then at the least it's attempted murder Don't get pregnant,
Yeah I would say someone that gets an abortion is intentionally trying to kill a child. Pregnant woman that's using drugs is probably just trying to get high.
@@OneEyedJack1970i was looking for this comment
Yes, but doing meth isn't intentionally trying to kill a child, whereas abortion absolutely is. So it is really strange that he came to this conclusion so naturally.
She can't do meth because she's intentionally trying to kill a child which is not ok. Except when shes intentionally trying to kill a child via medical means. Gotcha! Made it so clear. Thanks!
Arguing against an idiot doesn't make you smart.
Or.. no one is allowed to do meth, it’s highly illegal. Tim presents us a fine example of a Red Herring.
@@jnananinja7436 just plain wrong. The question is about the morality of harming a foetus. The illegality of meth has no bearing on the answer. They might as well have said alcohol
@@harryb9390 I’m not wrong. He changed the argument as a diversion. And even if you take alcohol as the example, it is perfectly legal for a pregnant mother to drink. Or should she be thrown in jail? A pregnant meth addict or alcoholic should get an abortion asap. That’s the only rational solution.
@@jnananinja7436really if it was so illegal why do we have people out in California on skid row doing it all day while Biden gives them supplies to do it with? Come on now we know what’s happening there it doesn’t change the fact ether way your intentions are to kill the baby
In 2023 we're having this question and we can't figure out what a women is
A "women" is more than one woman. There, I solved the riddle. What's my prize?
A "women" is the english term for more than one adult female homosapien.
Lmao
@@arandomchild1586is "homosapien" the word for less than 2 homo sapiens???
I don't have that question and know what a woman is.
"Can parents put their kids in fost care?"
"Yeah, if thats what is good for them"
"Can you leave your child in the hands of strangers and the government"
"No thats irresponsible"
Well done- you led the horse to water AND made it drink.
Horse didn't drink....it drowned 😂
You can lead a liberal to facts, but you can't make them think.
I think he made the horse lead itself to water. But yeah, same concept :)
Too bad they wont swallow.
You can lead an idiot to logic but you can't make them think
You can see the exact momment when he realized his argument was failed.
You actually can't see it, the video immediately cuts out. f.
And yet this dude does not yield. He doubles down, like a child.
you can see the exact moment he realizes he has no working brain
@@zacharymcleod460Exactly my thoughts 🤔
If you want to keep the child meth is probably not a good idea. But abortion is about female reproductive right. Choice....
When you’re so open minded that your brain falls out.
I remember my ex feminist girlfriend started freaking out about a pregnant woman smoking once and i reminded her she was pro choice. She only could justify her stance due to that seeing a pregnant woman smoking is aesthetically displeasing to her from her moral high ground.. she would also flip out if we passed someone in traffic who didn’t have their kids in a car seat. On top of shit like this she was a complete hypocrite. She would later lie about abuse from everyone in her life including me. Pathological liar who constantly projects her own self hatred onto others. 2019 we ended it and im finally almost done with parole and the final pages of that chapter. FYI shes been hitting me up recently and bombarding me with texts , some like we never broke up and some saying sorry.. but of course never for lying in a court about me. I have texts emails and voice messages that just are scary and sad.
Bro said it's okay for a woman to murder her own child then said a mother trying to kill her own child should be jailed 😂
I support late-term abortion up to the ripe old age of 18 especially in areas like Chicago and San Francisco.
"...to murder her own child..."🤔 There are so many things wrong with this statement that I don't even know where to begin. For instance, if it was true than we wouldn't exist on planet Earth, the reproduction would be counterproductive.
😂
Democratic hypocrisy 101
Yeah nah
Y'all "critical thinkers" eat shit at your own game
If we weponize logic against an open minded individual, better take all aspects in consideration.
Was there a "mens rea" (evil intent) in:
Option A, act of abortion, which is a choice: killing a fetus SO IT WOULDN'T DAMAGE A FUCKING CHILDS LIFE and add to a drug addict demographic
Or
Option B, meth. Literal fucking addiction. Damaging cerebral and reproductive capabilities. Making an adult almost legally and mentally incapacitated. The thing that will PREVENT HEALTHY *IF ANY* OFFSPRING.
Answer: The fuck is wrong with you, people?
Option A has to have the right to not bring life into hell. Doesn't have malicious intent, matter of fact, has the opposite.
And option B still should have the opportunity to not bring offspring in this world, IF THEY ARE CEREBRAL ENOUGH in the first place to even understand why that is bad. (Bringing a child straight into drug abuse, poverty, addiction, lack of education and social development)
Now hear me out on this one. I may be incorrect. But I strongly believe otherwise.
I get the push of AntiAbortion movement.
It does good:
1) Demolishes non-comitted relationships and tries to bring more accountability into the process of building a family
2) Makes both genders think before adding 1 and 0 together. This has logic in it, Lots of it. !!!!!!BUT NOT TO THE POINT WHERE IT JUSTIFIES SUCH A RADICAL CHANGE!!!!!!
3) Promotes use of intelegence, condoms and oral contraceptives, as well as IUDs and vasectomies. Or at the very least less promiscuous behaviour. I can get behind this. This point is solid and valid through and through. (Might as well triple the sales of Durex, lmao)
4) Cares for the oversensitive folk of America that think in concepts, not rues
And those rules state that demographic will still try to find a way to abort. As with everything, forbidden fruit isn't less desired. This applies to gun control, too, btw. You are not getting positives without the obvious negatives, which may include:
- Baby boom, you're denied an opportunity to abort, +1 soul
- Lack of motivated, thus, responsible parenting.
- Drug and alcohol abuse spike, comes in the package with the next point.
- General depression, caused by fear of accountability and consequences (less sex, in already sexless demographic)
- And then the atomic bomb will catch up, the people who were born and raised by those, who least wanted it, but never had the opprtunity to control their penis/vagina
- Suicide rates, up. Wages across country, down. Low end jop applicants, through the roof.
Please, explain to me your point. I really am open to interpretation. I simply do not understand the risk assessment. I need your help.
Haha... "she's intentionally trying to kill a child", so it's wrong
So she has to do it in a way that succeeds I guess?😂😂😂
He's making a stupid argument, but this hypothetical would only be one of many instances in which the taking of a life is acceptable provided it's done in the most humane way possible, so your argument is potentially more stupid than his.
@@dynomantar9733what are you on about? I have made no argument whatsoever...all I did was follow his flawed argument to its logical and foolish conclusion to show Irony
Bro...big L on your part
@@stevetherush1193 unfortunately bro, you don't even understand how wrong you are, but i must applaud your hubris.
If you'd like i could explain it to you, but you've demonstrated you're very confident in your superior intelligence and likely unwilling to learn.
@@dynomantar9733 😂😂😂appears in my comment, calls me stupid for an argument I didn't make, tells me I i have hubris, refuses to expound while saying I am unlikely to learn
Bro, you wont win any awards here for wordplay or pretentiousness, either get off your high horse and explain yourself or keep on it and excuse yourself, coz you're contributing nothing by your own logic.
Why are you even here then? Coz I won't beg you for your wisdom😂😂😂😂
@@dynomantar9733Steve is actually correct. He made no argument and is only pointing out the flawed logic by the guy in the video.
Liberal - the antithesis of logical thinking.
Conservative - the antithesis of logical thinking, compassion, basic human rights, and freedom.
Wait... CPS should get involved?? I thought it wasn't a baby? 🤔
This is priceless… dude “she’s intentionally trying to kill a child”…. Yes. Exactly.
All mothers are not victims, not every women should not use that reason for abortion
I'M SORRY, WHAT'S THE PROBLEM HERE? MOTHER WANTS TO DO METH, SHE DOES IT... SO WHAT?? SHE HAS TO LIVE WITH THE CONSEQUENCE. WE DON'T AGREE, BUT IT'S NOT OUR CHOICE TO MAKE. WHAT IS THE BIG DEAL HERE?
@@cosmiconlineaccountsthe problem is that the child will also have to deal with the consequences
@@KendrysDraws not if you abort the fetus before it becomes a child. Go ahead and smoke meth if you’re going to have an abortion. It would be more immoral to not abort a fetus after smoking meth while you have it in the womb.
@@msloan8273huh? So you think having the baby suffer through meth use prior to aborting it is ok?
The sad thing about ideologies is that the guy understood he's wrong, but still won't admit it.
Cause it's a cult
@@brandonringer7592 I don´t think so. It´s worse than a cult, it´s a business. They live and get money from it.
I know, just like the Cult of Dump!😂
Im sure you would admit pro life is all about controlling people then.
Anyone trying to take away your rights will try and make you feel like it's a good thing , if they didn't, no one would give up their rights.
Everyone born can make their own choices , nobody else should be controlling their choices. Pro life activists think its ok to control other people's choices based on their feelings .
Unborn people can't make choices, so pro life activists like to make a choice for that unborn person , saying every unborn person wants to live . At the same time they say the choices of the person already born doesn't matter .
Pro life = Pro Control (slavery)
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Let people live their lives !
Stop trying to control people
@@Thevoiceinsidemyhead-bh8ky actually pro choice/murder is controlling... You're controlling the actions of that baby and not giving a chance at a full life.
30 weeks pregnant and my daughter is literally complete. All she needs to do is gain weight and that's it. She was a person the entire time though. At 7 weeks, we heard her heartbeat. At 9 weeks, we knew she was a girl. At 15 weeks, I felt her kick, and at 21 my husband felt and could see her move. She responds to my voice, calms down with music, jumps to loud sounds and gets fussy if I don't eat for us. I love her and have gotten her everything she needs and I haven't even named her yet. She's my beautiful daughter and me and her father will love her for as long as we live. It's called being a mom.
Well said from the heart AND the mind !!!😊
You're a Queen 🙏
The woman can abort the baby but if she is murdered while pregnant, the killer faces two charges off homicide. One for the mother and one for the preborn child. Think about that.
This is a stupid argument
@@GardenDoctorTrevYa we are living in the States
@@GardenDoctorTrevare you discussing about India? Or the States? So...
A wise man once said “gotcha b**ch” - Dave Chappell
I don't see why a bunch of men who can't physically give birth are debating what choices a woman can or can't make.
Facts
Love it
I would’ve answered the question completely differently. I would have said “Oh that’s a perfect example, a woman who is addicted to meth and using it regularly while pregnant should absolutely get an abortion.” The average woman doesn’t realize she’s pregnant until 6-8 weeks in. I imagine for a hardcore drug addict it could be even later. I also imagine this meth addict is most likely unemployed has little to no education has little to no family support, has a criminal history, poor medical health even worse mental health. This is EXACTLY why we need abortion. Thank you for the Question!
@@JayJay-tm7xw Does the fetus and the mother have the exact same dna? If they do not, doesn't that make them two different bodies?
😂 When you let someone logically talk themselves out of their own stupidity. 😅
If only he actually had gotten out 😢
But I bet he still won't change his opinion even though he can hear what he saying is contradictory he's not going to care
Arguing against an idiot doesn't make you smart.
@@harryb9390Oh now he's an idiot??? I bet prior to this you proudly counted him as one of yours!!!!!!!
@@C-weyin his mind, she wasn't choosing to kill the baby, it was a byproduct of her own selfish desires, so she's guilty. But, if she goes to the abortion clinic for any reason, it's a conscious decision, so she's fine. Not saying it's right, he just thinks it's fine as long as the mother is absolutely sure she wants to kill that baby. Can't be an accident, has to be intentional. Shame his mother didn't at least do a little meth in his pre years.
2 Bodies. Unalienable rights.
Why is a man charged with double murder if he kills a pregnant woman..but for that same women it would be a "choice".
How can you call child services if it’s not a child?
Clump services.
They actually DON'T & can't get involved until the infant is born AND tested for the drugs. The baby has to test positive in order for them to take it from the mother. Often, if they don't catch the babies' first urination they lose the ability to prove it (with drugs that leave the system quickly like meth) with cannabis obviously they can continue to test for a longer period after birth.
He literally just called it a child when saying the mother could do meth.
Duh. 😮😅😅
And call child protective services lmfao
You’re right, that is why I never call a fetus a child.
@@davidaponte7521
Fetus is Latin for child you genius
And they keep using this argument that it's the woman's body. No. Now, there are two bodies. One belongs to the woman and the other belongs to a completely different person.
@harleydogcrownline, what then is a person?
A woman is not a kangaroo.
I can't believe after all these years that it hasn't been settled that the baby's body is not part of the mother's body. The baby is a separate entity.
The mother supplies nutrients and so forth to the baby. The baby is not physically part of her simply because they are attached. The mother's placenta, through the umbilical cord, provides sustenance for the baby. After birth the umbilical cord is severed and the mother sustains the baby through her breasts. The baby "attaches" itself to the mother and draws sustenance from her. At no time is the baby ever part of the mother's body.
We have laws that don't allow women to do whatever they want with their bodies. So the argument that a woman has right to do whatever she wants to an unborn infant because she supposedly has the right to choose what happens to her body is nonsense.
She is responsible for taking care of herself and thereby taking care of the unborn human inside her. Her choice whether or not to take care of a potential human that depends on her body to develop far enough to live outside of her body is made before she has intercourse. When she has intercourse that results in her becoming pregnant, the intercourse itself is the action that says : I want a baby. This is also true, of course, with the man. So, the choice is made before the intercourse is engaged in.
If you don't want a baby, but you want to have intercourse, then take measures to insure that a pregnancy doesn't result from it. At the same time, accepting that if a pregnancy results from the pleasure, you both will accept the new human you have created.
He thought his entire life he was woke, but he found out in fact he was sleep 😂😂😂
Arguing with an idiot to make yourself look smart only makes you an idiot too.
This guy single-handedly destroyed the whole abortion argument on accident.
Lol no he didn't. I'm pro-choice and just because this dude is logically inconsistent doesn't mean abortion is bad and that an embryo is a human with all its entailed rights
@@gw6667 Although abortion shouldn't be allowed to be used as birth control.
@@TRuth-he3ij hahaha it is literal birth control, but no one is using abortion in place of contraceptives. From what I hear it's pretty painful, but even if someone were to "be using it as birth control" what's your proposal? Just one abortion allowed per person? Lol, dumb
No he didn't, earth is overpopulated as it is, the better way to fix earth and have it where ONLY wealthy people exist is to not allow ANY births whatsoever to anyone poor point blank. The problem I have with the Pro Choice/Pro Life debate is EXACTLY that you're ONLY "Pro Life" when its inside the womb but once it's born fuck that baby, if you were TRULY "Pro Life" then no medical patients at all whatsoever would be charged a bill after treatment aka Universal Healthcare, Education all the way through college would be paid for and school lunch debt wouldn't exist either. You REALLY want to be "Pro Life" then start with the human ALREADY IN EXISTENCE not the ones in the womb
@@TRuth-he3ijfollowing even further are you allowed to kill semen ? Or use any birth control method for that matter
The problem is there is no “make both sides” happy solution to abortion. When the sides are “Women shouldn’t automatically loose rights to her body and autonomy because she was jizzed in” and “Abortion kills babies,” like what is the happy medium there?
Safe sex i think
@@lars5671 sure, but that doesn’t account for rape, broken condoms, failed birth control, and unexpected life changes. Not to mention those who’d say you shouldn’t even think about sex till you’re married.
There is no happy medium with abortion!You're either against it or for it! There is nothing "right" about it!
So let me get this straight…intentionally killing an unborn child is bad if you “CHOOSE ” to do meth, but intentionally killing an unborn child is ok if you “CHOOSE” abort that same child.
Now I understand and I am finally “woke” as a result of this amazing activist!
There’s a right and wrong way to do things. Doing hard drugs to kill a developing child inside of you is obviously a bad way of dealing with an unwanted child. Having it medically removed is entirely different. If you can’t understand the difference then idk what to tell you.
@@II_GTA_FREEK_II when I completely shut my eyes to the reality of the situation, what you say makes total sense!
@@justinjakel8816 The reality of the situation is what I already said. There’s a right way and a wrong way. If you’re going to consider every way to be some evil murderous act, then you’re already choosing to ignore any other possibility. Suicide is generally considered bad, but some countries have assisted suicide where it is determined that some people should be allowed to end their life based on their situation and they can do so with the help of medical professionals. Unfortunately not every country has this, but for the ones that do this would be considered the correct way. As opposed to almost any other way that would create a negative situation for anyone else who has to deal with it afterwards. I mean smoking meth is already an illegal and socially unacceptable thing to do by itself. But it would cause harm to the baby and possibly the mother down the line. That would be considered a cruel way of treating a developing child, even if it’s unwanted. An abortion is the opposite of that. But again, you probably consider it to be evil and murderous no matter what, and you’d probably cite some hypocritical bs from the Bible. Just a guess.
@@II_GTA_FREEK_II you’ve confirmed my comment about wisdom as yet again you throw accusations and assumptions of who I am and what I believe even after telling that you and I most likely feel the same on this issue. Not everyone who sees things for what they are and not for what a bunch of fancy words can spin them into are bible thumpers and believe pro-choice is evil.
But based on your desire to tout your educated verbiage, and your insistence on painting me in a box, based on nothing, you know about me whatsoever you tells me most likely that you are not very wise, but definitely educated and book smart.
@@justinjakel8816 Based on nothing? You haven’t said where you stand on any of this, so if you’re upset that I’ve made an assumption based on what you HAVE said, that’s your fault. And so far what you HAVE said would have me assume you’re not pro choice at all. So maybe instead of getting upset by my assumption, you’d like to use your next reply to actually chime in here with something concrete.
The biggest delusion is that people think the baby is part of the woman's body. However, if you remove the baby from the woman, she still remains intact. The baby is a separate person from the mother, not a part of her body. What used to be the safest place in the world for a child, is now the most dangerous
Does the "baby" naturally remain in tact if you were to pull it our 3 or 4 months in?
@@kamilb8232 there are many cases of premature births where the baby survives when incubated. The best environment for growth is in the mother. In any case, we all need proper conditions to survive.
@@BACKkkkkk a leech can attach itself to your body, therefore the leech is part of your body? You're suffering from il logic
@@johngajdos7950We're not talking about artificial incubation. We're talking about whether or not the fetus survives when removed from the woman before a certain threshold.
Simply put, it doesn't, so it is still a part of the woman's body. Thus, it is subject to her whims. Period.
@@AndrewDeLong okay, cornball. If you removed from the Earth and you die because you don't have the atmosphere to live in anymore, does that mean you're part of the Earth? Stop presenting stupid ideas. What I find comical is that everyone else has been agreeing with me, and you're all butt hurt about it. Go ahead and mash the thumbs down because you know you want to, and then be on your way.
Tim Pool totally slayed on this show. He was firing on all cylinders.
Did Tim Pool go to the orphan house a'd adopted some children? It's all easy to yell "pro life, let the children be born" but when asked who's gonna care for them, the silence will be your answer
@@stoneyhigh05 You are a special kind of sicko aren't you?
@@stoneyhigh05
Why are you trying to shove the responsibility of someone's own bad choices on others?
Get it through your skull: ACTIONS HAVE CONSEQUENCES
The only orphans we Should have are the ones who's parents DIED
@stoneyhigh05 so, your stance is, the child may be stuck in foster care, so, should be aborted before that happens?
@@suereynolds74
Nobody ever mentions that a good number of people who did great things came from nothing
(And let's be real, necessity, not comfort, is the drive behind human achievement)
He's not pro women or anti life, he's just the textbook authoritarian, he doesn't need logic.
The answer should have been no. No, she can't do meth because it is illegal. That's like saying I can't afford my rent, so can I rob a bank?
Stupid analogy.
You missed the point
@@lloydmunga4961 This person definitely did get the point. Meth is illegal because it is dangerous to the user, regardless of whether or not they are pregnant. No one is allowed to do meth.
Now you may say “so what about alcohol? Can she drink while pregnant?” Short answer is yes. Won’t be the best for the child, but whatever you put in your body is your choice and you will have to face the consequences.
Eating a diet consisting of entirely rose petals while pregnant is not going to be good for the child, should that be allowed? Should we feed pregnant women a strict diet of nutrient rich pellets like they are animals??? No, we have the freedom to decide what we eat and therefore the outcome of a pregnancy.
Abortion is also illegal in some places
@@lloydmunga4961 thanks for explaining it to me
Being red pilled and not realizing it until the seeds start to sprout 😅
Except he will never admit his logic is that flawed because if he does... his entire fan base will turn on him like wild dogs. Leftists are a violent, totalitarian cult who will destroy their own at the drop of an unacceptable thought.
Im pretty sure you mean blue pilled. This guy is for the lefts point of veiw on abortion.
This isn't red-pilling. Everyone involved in this scenario is ignorant. The guys posing the hypothetical don't know why their example is flawed and not related to abortion. But the guy being asked is just as stupid for not knowing why their question is flawed.
Using drugs during pregnancy is causing FUTURE HARM to a human that WILL be born harmed. Future harm is a well established concept in the law already in other areas, and could equally be applied to pregnancy without infringing on abortion rights.
The legal issue with future harm isn't about protecting supposed rights of the fetus, rather its about protecting the right of the future child who has full rights upon its birth.
On that basis, laws can be enacted to blanket criminalize drug use during pregnancy, to prevent said drug use, up to court ordered forced hospitalization of pregant drug users who wont stop using drugs, so as to prevent said drug use by force if need be.
The issue isn't that the fetus supposedly has rights. The issue is that the born child HAS rights at birth, which the pregnant drug user violated before it was born with past actions that resulted in foreseable future harm of the future human with full future rights.
Therefore, this isn't a scenario that affects abortion rights.
You can continue using your drugs after you abort, so you don't cause future harm on a future human with future rights that you intended to be born.
Doctors can already be held civilly liable for any forseable future harm caused to a person who is born with defects because of medical negligence. Where the acts causing future harm were deliberate on the part of the doctor, criminal liability would attach, not just civil.
The same criminal liability could be extended to pregnant drug users who knowingly cause future harm on a person they birth.
@@dsp6373so you can't cause harm to a fetus. But killing the fetus is acceptable?
@@JD-ht8vrbeing a dumbass isn't cute
The way Tim knew that man would defeat himself with that point was brilliant
That very specific question came out of nowhere so I'm guessing that they were probably having a conversation about this topic before the show and Tim knew how to trap him.
Using the word brilliant in association with Tim Pool is not logical.
@@danielkeene3852😮
@@DAD0123
Give credit where credit's due, it was a brilliant counter
As a meth baby I dare him to justify that me I'm not responsible for injuries
Suggestions: all shorts should have link to full show.
If a pregnant woman is murdered, 38 states recognize this as a double homicide. Personally, if it doesn't effect me then I tend not to fixate on it, but I don't understand how it can be murder in one instance, and women's rights in another.
This applies regardless of the circumstances of the pregnancy but for this question, assume it's a healthy woman with a healthy pregnancy that was the result of consensual sex. Why is it homicide in one case, choice in another?
Choose to STOP having unprotected sex, settles all problems
No it doesn't because even when it's a medical necessity, for whatever reason, if it's against the law, doctors can't do shit and both can die instead. They've put voluntary/contraceptive abortion under the same umbrella as a medically necessary procedure.
Really it settles ALL problems? You sure about that bud? You willing to bet money on the accuracy of your statement?
@@Shane-hx4xpit doesn't solve rape and force pregnancies.. But yes he is kinda right... Prevention is better than cure.
Don't go hoeing around and f..k whoever you want just like a street dog..That way u won't have to do abortions .. Easy pizzzy... Or if u do and get pregnant in that process, u should take up the responsibility of raising a child, and if u decide to abort.. Then congrats on being a murderer
@@Shane-hx4xpyeah, basically? it's a totally separate debate when you bring unwanted pregnancy from things like SA and r@pe, but accidental pregnancy from 2 consenting adults can very much be prevented by using protection, therefore meaning a debate on abortion is not needed. I am pro choice btw.
@@grimdarkness2137 it’s not a separate debate, it’s all the same debate. You’re obviously not pro choice if this is your argument. Protection is not a 100% guarantee, it reduces the chances but it doesn’t eliminate them. You sound foolish.
He realized at this moment, he f-ed up.
No it’s the moment just after this where TP calls him out on it and he says “yeah I can see where you’re going with this”.
How come if a stranger punches her pregnant belly and kills her baby then it's murder? But if she intentionally kills it, it's simply her "Choice"?
No he didn't. He will say the same thing again. They're evil
Fucked up
@@hamishreid8791
It is, at most, "destruction of property"
I will always support a womans private decision about her right to choose. Not my business!!!!!!
I won’t. I have seen the devastation abortion does to so many women, usually years later when mental health problems have overwhelmed them, once you go digging for the root problems often they began after they got an abortion.
Very few girls/women get to make a truly informed choice about abortion. They only hear the benefits of and inconvenience of having a baby before it is wanted. They rarely get to hear the fetal heartbeat before an abortion. It has been shown that once a pregnant girl/women who is unsure if she wants to keep the baby gets to see her baby on an ultrasound and see and hear the babies heart beating, they can’t actually go through with it.
Also you rarely hear about failed abortions, these often happen in the 2nd and 3rd trimester when the abortion process fails to kill the baby and the baby comes out alive, crying and trying to breath. This wrecks a women’s mental health every time!!
They know they tried to kill their baby or they proceed and the baby is left to die without medical assistance. One way trip to deep anxiety and depression.
So no I do not support this psychological harm women inflict on themselves!!
Does the fetus and the mother have the exact same dna? If they do not, doesn't that make them two different bodies?
@@Vanessa-lf2jnit's none of your business on whether or not a woman you don't know and will never meet has an abortion or not, their situation has nothing to do with you. You don't have the moral high ground you think you do.
There's literally hundreds of reasons why a woman will get an abortion or has to get an abortion. Do be so presumptious and patronising in saying that women that get abortions don't know what they're getting themselves in for. I pretty sure they know fully well of the gravity of decision that they're going to make.
There are many things which “aren’t my business” and yet we have or have had laws legislating to that effect. Some people suggest that it should be illegal to produce pornography or to watch it; and yet, someone else making or watching pornography is “none of my business”. We seem to recognize that there are certain behaviors in our society which may not be our business per say, and yet we know that there is and should be a right method of conduct that is legislated, to protect the values of our society and what collectively recognize as just.
Simple rebuttal: why does our justice system still recognize murder for a double homicide of a pregnant biological woman?
Tim sure knows how to corner a leftist 😂
He knows how to think like them because he used to be one. I think PBD is great too! He lets them hang their selfs with his awesome line of questioning.
@@RemyLee23 Who is Tim? I see he's the a podcaster, but I've never seen him before.
@@TheCoryAyerstimpool, he has his own channel
It's called logic. You could corner anyone with it when they're lacking it
It's not difficult to point out their hypocrisy.
Bro should join the Olympics for the mental gymnastics he's performing.
😅 Exactly
Arguing with an idiot doesn't make you smart. The difference between harming a foetus by taking meth and aborting it for the benefit of your own life and theirs, is far more nuanced. They shouldn't be equated, because they're not equal.
U should joint the circus for the dumb people chatting.
It's not legal to do meth when you're not pregnant... how is that an honest question?
Yea. Well if you made abortion illegal, then it wouldn't be legal to intentionally kill a child while still inside the mother also.
@@jumpingsloth3963 But it would infringe on the rights of the fetus carrier. Because it's a fetus, not a child.
It *could* be a child, but until it can sustain and regulate it's own autonomic funtions and is outside the womb it's a fetus.
And some people decide to not have kids because we live in a world where some people can't access medical care or an adequate amount of food. Or they have no reason to believe that conditions won't continue to get worse. Like with the economy or climate change... or international politics.
And don't forced birthers usually also believe in the parents' right to decide things for their kids? Even to the point of whether or not to get life-saving vaccines? What if that potential parent decided it would be better to not let their kid grow up in an increasingly hostile capitalist hellscape?
Or, if you _must_ see a fetus as a full-on human... that means the kid went to heaven having never sinned, right? Why would anyone want to stop people from getting into heaven?
There’s a reason no one says “pro abortion”, it’s “pro choice”.
Even the fact that he admitted he understands it is a child in the womb is astounding.
It doesn't matter if it's a child or not. If it's gonna suffer, a mercy kill is better.
@@Anon9897-tj1dzI'm sure there are people, kids, that suffer and would be devastated if someone told them they should've never been born... because that's so fked up. You are so fked up.
@@MW-ov8wi That is hilariously wrong.
Imagine this. You're a homeless woman, got beat up and raped by a criminal. You got pregnant. You have nearly nothing to your name and you know for a fact this child will only experience suffering. This child, that you did not want. In this situation, who in their right mind would want to suffer through childbirth, only to have a baby who was no father and you cannot take care of?
@Anon9897-tj1dz ahhh because you get to decide when someone else life is not worth living. this is the most heartless act, period.
@@memesterjohnson4096 You are advocating for their suffering. THAT is the most heartless act. And who DOES decide? Cause the child can't. Life is not worth living when you will just suffer. Period.
Those two brain cells are working overtime
2 ? WTF 1 to many, he's struggling to breath.
They’re both fighting for 3rd place
Funny how you trumptards would say that....Mr. pro birth. But after your born...middle finger.
You can pinpoint the exact moment at the end when those 2 brain cells said "Fuck this guy and fuck this shit, I'm out."
Two? Me thinks you are over estimating his brain capasity...
Some people have such a disconnect, they will never see the truth
“I’m pro-science until it proves I’m wrong”
He has 2 brain cells and they’re both fighting for 3rd place.
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It was at that moment, he realized that he’d fu¢ked up.
Yeah, those anti abortion folks gawd damned dumb alright.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA
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You cut the best part. He admits its a stupid logic.
And they fail to tag the actual page…. I’ve been looking for it…Do you know who they are?
@@tameracoates398 Tim Pool / Tim Cast
timcast irl - lance from the serfs
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@@tameracoates398timcast and the serfs
My stance is simple: I don't like abortion, and there are times that things are none of my business. This is a 9th amendment issue, and falls under none of my business.
The funny thing is, in that situation, she's NOT intentionally trying to kill the baby. She's trying to get high, and harm to the baby is an unwanted side-effect
That is true and ppl like him are why so many addicts dont reach out for help when they are pregnant. Ppl wanr to jail us and take our baby away instead of helping yet susie down the road can literally flush her baby down the toilet and that makes her brave and stunning
kinda a stupid comparison isnt it - too bad the guest libral was just too stupid to point out how stupid they all are
Irony
Your intention doesn't always matter when you murder somebody. Jail time either way whether it was an accident or predetermined
@@j.ppaulinenot the same charge, not the same punishment
Women have a CHOICE all right. It’s called effective birth control, abstinence, adoption, or raising a child. Abortion should NEVER be a form of birth control.
With all the birth control choices available, an abortion should only be used in extraordinary circumstances which is a very, very small percentage of the time.
@tonyhelton2788 Yes. I am in the same thinking as you two.
So lets say you have a 12 year old daughter who is raped by someone with HIV and severely defective chromosones. Testing shows the baby will be born with HIV and serious mental and physical disabilities and health issues. Are you still going to force your already massively traumatised daughter to continue with the pregnancy to full term to give birth to a child with zero chance of long term survival?......
I think you overestimate women's choice in the matter and you fail to consider some important things.
1 in 6 american women have been victim to attempted or completed rape, contraceptives don't always work and some people are just uneducated on sex, intoxicated or plain stupid. Why should we punish them for 18+ years for a mistake? Is it reasonable to bring an unwanted child to this world?
Accidents happen even with birth control used and a Womans body is altered permanently from a full pregnancy...Im pro choice till the end of the first trimester after that Im pro life.
"Before I formed thee in the belly, I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations" Jeremiah I:5 KJV ☝️😲❤️✝️
People with this level of moral delinquency are never wrong (in their minds)and can never be reasoned with. Doing meth while pregnant is intentionally taking the life of a child but intentionally taking a life in a medical process is not... intentional?!
I love it when the Red Pill finally kicks in.
.. at this rate the republicans will never win another election again.. it’s great😊
Arguing with an idiot doesn't make you smart. The difference between harming a foetus by taking meth and aborting it for the benefit of your own life and theirs, is far more nuanced. They shouldn't be equated, because they're not equal.
U can tell this was the first time he genuinely had to think for himself, and it shows.
Leftists aren't used to hearing questions.
Clearly something you should try one day!
Lol, I love that! "You used my logic against me." LMAO
This is why the side arguing to allow evil always devolves into screaming (la la la I can’t hear you now), walking away, or violence (tearing away signs, assault, etc). They have no coherent argument, and/or have touched that evil sometime in their past and refuse to acknowledge the debt and pursue forgiveness (including forgiving themselves).
Calling it child services is the acknowledgement that it's a child.
Edit: I didn't realise how my comment could be interpreted as both pro and against- at the time of conception.
Exactly. The problem being that a fetus literally isn't a child, nor is it biologically equal to one.
@@SharkVsTreefetus means "Offspring". It's just another word for baby.
@@SharkVsTreeu aren’t very intelligent are ya? Tell us you’re a POS without actually coming out and saying it why don’t ya. 😝
@@dan-lr4zm You might want to try A) figuring out what language it is that you are currently speaking, B) looking up the definition of the word "baby" in a dictionary of the language you are speaking, and C) noting its differences to the definitions of the words "child" and "offspring" while also noting that colloquial definitions of these words do not apply in the context of a discussion about abortion.
I do not care one Tinkerbell's fart what "fetus" meant in Latin 3,000 years ago, we're speaking English now. In English, the words "fetus" and "baby" represent two mutually exclusive stages of human development. Because a baby is specifically an infant, as opposed to a fetus, you see. The two being separated by the act of birth. Welcome to linguistics and how language changes over time. In this case, over about 3,000 years and through the influence of two other languages (Latin through German and French, smashed together to make modern English (over a course of the last ~1,000 years, and then Americanized over ~500 years of that.)
@@SharkVsTreeLet's have a civil discussion. I find that lists don't ever help achieve a common ground. If anything it only makes people dig their heels in further. I appreciate that you are operating from a scientifically factual standpoint, while some are responding from an ethically factual standpoint.
When it comes to the etymology of words a fetus is often referred to as an unborn child in the common era (both scientifically and ethically).
Sectioning human life into stages is a hard one to reconcile. If a person is too old, or disabled at birth, or has even a slight physical anomaly, that makes no difference to their lives (like an inny or an outy 😂) does that make them any less human? I'm sure we could both agree that it wouldn't.
In my opinion, fetus, offspring, baby, child or adult remains still, human. The real question isn't pro life or pro choice. The real question is, is it ever justified to end human life? Criminal and/or innocent. If so, who decides, how, when and where? And at the expense of who's conscience, because someone will have to pay for the toll of that burden.
You didn't show him turn white and say, "Uh, I see where you're going with this .." priceless.
Abortion......some cases 100% qualify for termination of the pregnancy. I also think that it should be a choice of both parents, just because the women doesn't want the child, doesn't mean the father is not qualified to raise the child. Medical circumstances, as in risk to mothers health or probable disability, make a difference. Teenage pregnancy is another talking point as well as we have to look at the fact that people should be fit to be parents and able to provide independently for their child. It's a conversation that is potentially never ending.
I can personally confirm that it’s challenging for teenagers to have a child. Financially, emotionally, and even spiritually unprepared for the amount of work needed to raise a child when my mindset was still that of a child.
It’s kinda like you either neglect your responsibility OR you have to grow tf up faster than your friends.
Did my kids get the best clothes or go to private school, no, but they understand the value of money and hard work.
In any event, I’m glad I was still young enough to physically run and play with my children because I didn’t wait until I was 40.
They didn't use his own logic against him, he used their logic against himself..
That's why leftists run from debates like Vampires run from the Sun light
@MrHeuvaladao Show me one example of a leftist declining a reasonable
offer of debate, I beg you. When you do your research, you will find
that this is pure projection from talking heads on the right.
I’m a leftist and I won’t run from debate. Pick your topic and position and let’s have at it.
Come on conservative I thought you wanted a debate.
So Trump now is a Vampire and a leftist? I’m confused.
@@Shane-hx4xp Ok. Let's do it.
Joe's gay.
Wow... That question destroyed his Third eye
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His third eye is booked for a colonoscopy 🙄😂
He can't even see with 2.. what makes you think he was using his 3rd ? Hahaha 😋🤙
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Even after you prove them wrong time and time again, and point out they're total illogical rationale, they still choose to be ignorant.
It’s a stupid question, because she isn’t allowed to do meth anyway. Meth is illegal, regardless of if the person is pregnant or not.
That's when everything you've had compartmentalized to fit a situation is opened to the entire brain.
This guy doesn't speak for one single voter besides himself. Get it? Now, go ahead, ask me - a super liberal - about abortion and I will tell you that, like the vast majority of us, I agree with the Roe v. Wade standard. Now, read up on that and get back to me. Very, very few late term abortions are/were happening in America. So you're not smart and you don't understand the real debate.
"They are intentionally trying to kill a child"
Finally admitting that the baby is infact a child and not just a fetus or a clump of cells
It's all about what's convenient for the current argument. As a man, my wallet my choice, but that doesn't matter
Those are stages of development. He's not saying a clump of cells or a fetus is a child. Nor would he call a pregnancy in its third trimester a clump of cells or a fetus. Not the "gotcha" moment you think you had.
@@ohyeaaaa1 they are admitting to micro organisms being life but a baby in a mother isn't. The point went right over your head
@@Yumums Who has ever said microorganisms are not life? Microorganisms are everywhere. What does that have to do with anything? And who is "they"? This is one guy.
@@ohyeaaaa1 The whole argument is the picture not just what his one point of the argument. One of the big arguments from those that are pro abortion is that the child is "a clump of cells". Thus his response was to that ideal as a whole not just the one moment..
The mother should be allowed to do whatever she wants with her body. However she should also be accountable for whatever the consequences are to another person. Abortion should carry a premeditated murder charge...
The child inside a woman is not HER body, It is the child's body.
You should have kept Tim’s “wait a minute there” comment. Would have been gold.
Of course he knows, everybody knows. Nobody is that stupid, they are willingly ignorant.
Yes yes yes
Best comment of the century.
I don't think the government has the right to tell a woman what she can do with a baby living off her body.
@@usgamechamp1091 Good point. We should allow abortions to infants recently born who are still breast feeding, since they rely upon their mothers body.
@@Thecelestial1 They do not require their mothers breast milk to survive tho. Thanks for trying...
Murder is a choice but it's still not acceptable.
But if a woman is killed while pregnant the killer is charged for two murders,duh!!
One of the best Timcast IRL moments
Please have your smooth little brain checked for some kind of disorder.
This is beautiful to watch 😂
I agree
Absolutely Stunning! And not in a gd way
The issue is NEVER "is that acceptable," the issue is "should a woman or her doctor(s) be prosecuted as criminals if they do that." So, no, taking meth while pregnant is not acceptable, but NO a pregnant women should NOT be criminally charged with endangerment to a child while it is within her.
Doesn't matter how much you break it down because they already know their argument is fucked when it comes down to the bare bones of it.
One minute it was “her body”, the next it was “a child”. Poor guy is making it up on the run.
it’s not a child it’s not even a baby. The matters inside someone’s body is up to them.
@@pralllacan she do meth? 😂
@@buckmarley619sd9no she cannot as she intends to complete the pregnancy. Then it does become someone else’s body as a completed pregnancy will result in a baby.
@@thomassinikangasit was allready someone elses body it was just inside the mother there is nothing magical that happens at birth where the child is now a child no it was a child from conception a human being that is a life
This is a stupid analogy. She can do meth jf she intends to terminate, but if not then yea she is harming the child. At the end of the day it’s her body and as immoral as it is to terminate it ultimately has to be her choice.
It's not pro choice it's pro abortion. Let's call a spade a spade here.
Still, it's a personal choice. Abortion was legal not too long ago. Somebody else made that choice for you and they still are. Pro-choice for everyone.
I agree, why I call pro-life just anti-choice
@LightHawkAlchemist That or just make the choice to not be irresponsible if you don't want a kid. Dissecting the kid before it can be born and stealing a life out of convenience sure isn't a humane move. We are pro life, you are pro abortion. There is not anti choice just because you can't recognize that at that point you already made your choice
@weethistle_ Sure... keep killing your own offspring and encouraging others to do the same as you judge me. I don't feel bad for you or the guilt you'll carry, but I do feel bad for the child you're snuffing out and directing before without even giving them a fighting chance. Makes you wonder what if your parents had chosen to do the same. But you wouldn't have counted as a life right? Because you sure wouldn't have been convenient.
@@nickpatton3199bet you support the death penalty and pro gun laws ... so you're not that prolife are you... just don't like women having the choice
Because the whole argument is about POWER.
They all know, they just don’t care. They’re evil.
No, they're not evil. They just know that you don't know better that everyone else how to deal with the circumstances of their own lives, and that others have just as much of a right as you do to what goes on inside of their own bodies.
@SharkVsTree No...They're just fvcking evil.
@SharkVsTree sure, just as long as women acknowledge they're killing a baby.
@@SharkVsTree They can make any decision regarding their own bodies, not the bodies of other human beings. They are evil self centered creatures.
@@viktormuerteWhy would they admit to something they're literally not doing? It's not their fault that you apparently can't tell the difference between a fetus and a baby, or that you haven't bothered to understand what is biologically occurring over the course of the nine months it takes for a zygote to grow into a self-functional human being.
The rest of us don't necessarily need to agree with how you choose to perceive things, you see. And when you're not the one who happens to be pregnant, ultimately, it's really none of your business at all. The US constitution has pretty clearly established that as of 155 years ago. Welcome to the concepts of religious freedom, equal rights, and individual liberty the United States constitution was designed to protect.
Abortion is legal, but if a pregnant woman is murdered, this same system will charge the murderer with double homicide.
Yeah because murder goes against the will of the pregnant, abortion is a choice for the pregnant, not for anyone else
Pro-choice is also against forced abortions(which happened/happens even within anti-abortion people like nuns) 🤷🏻♂️
Point is that when it’s about abortion it isn’t considered a life yet, but in the case of homicide it is absolutely considered a life.
@@jeshurunabinadab6560they don't have to make sense they just have to *reeeee*
I would also add that for anyone that has seen a newborn on meth or any drug withdrawals, it is absolutely gut wrenching to hear.
He said it.
He just destroy his own argument.
Whenever you hear of a woman having a miscarriage, she and her husband/boyfriend never say, "We lost the fetus".
So what? It was still a fetus. People just say that as a colloquialism because it sounds "nicer."
@@MatthewJoseph-tm9oo Huh. Interesting. I never thought of it that way. Now, I get it. Someone might say, "That Matthew is a real F'ing A-hole!" Another might respond, "Yes, he is, but we call him an idiot because it sounds nicer."
I have never heard of anyone having a funeral for the fetus after a miscarriage. Because it is a fetus, not a person. I say like the great Dave Chapelle: anyone with a dick should shut the f**k up about this!
@@MatthewJoseph-tm9ooyet years later some women grieve for said "fetus". What's that all about? Where does this regret come from ?(if she did abort the fetus)
Does it matter? Pretty sure that the deceased offspring won't harbor any grudges 🤷♂️
The part left out of this is where he instantly regretted his word choice.
They know the truth, they just don't care.
When you say a person has ultimate authority, you also say that whatever that person decides is acceptable.
This man's brain blew up.
The moment he calls 'child services' just services 🤔
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That is twisted logic. Pro Choice refers to whether to terminate an early pregnancy or keep it. If the woman chooses to keep the pregnancy, she is required to the best of her ability to keep the fetus healthy.
No logical argument for abortion, one makes a decision before sex. That is called intelligent and responsible living, any thing else is irresponsible living.
Dose anyone put the gun to their head and pull the triger before checking to see if the gun is loaded if they want to live? The principal is the same, the situation may be different but the principal remains the same. That is very basic reasoning. It' just that laziness has become the current excuse for everything!
This video changed my mind about this issue. I was never easy about my position anyway but it’s funny how a little snippet of information can have an effect. Thanks for sharing whoever you are.
This is propaganda pushing for an agenda. Intentionally hurting a fetus is illegal, because it doesn’t guarantee an abortion and if the fetus continues to develop there is a high chance that any baby born will have severe effects from the substance use. My view is that there is a natural occurring moment in time of pregnancy were a fetus become a baby. This has to do with its ability to live or survive on its own. A pregnant woman should be able to choose a medical option for abortion until that moment, after which it should only be an option if it’s medically recommended because the mothers life’s at risk.
How? The person doing meth is planning on having a baby that will be born with challenges. The person having the abortion is ending it before it begins. Not the same at all
It shouldn't really be that persuasive of an argument because once you think it through, you realize that ofc she should be allowed to do meth. Maybe meth is a bad example because meth is illegal for everyone, but replace meth with alcohol. Should the state be allowed to tell a pregnant woman she can't drink? I would say "No.. her body her choice." Same as meth, same as killing it.
@@Elladril not if they plan on actually having the baby. Not the same
@@jamiescollon8488 The point is, you are suffering from cognitive dissonance. If you think "that's different," then you need to come up with a different argument besides female bodily autonomy to justify abortion. Because bodily autonomy also justifies alcohol abuse.
One argument might be that unborn babies are living property. In the same way you can humanely kill, but not torture a dog, the same line of logic could apply to the fetus. But ofc that has problems of its own. There's no clear reason why this property designation should end at birth as there is with the bodily autonomy argument. Also D and E abortions would not pass the humane test.
There's a lot of problems with any argument in favor of abortion if you also care about internal consistency (which liberals don't so it doesn't really matter). Personally, I like abortion on purely pragmatic grounds: most women aborting babies are lower class minorities and having fewer of them in the society is a net positive.
That moment of internal realisation was priceless. The use of the ‘meth’ analogy was brilliant, to illustrate the gigantic black hole in abortionist arguments. 👏