*Never walk through enemy territory by day, lay up in cover, then move at night, avoiding farms & towns as much as possible.* Stay off the roads, go across country.
There's no set rule, my uncle was shot down about 20 miles outside of Paris, luckily it was cold and raining that day so no one saw him come down,. He stayed hidden for a day and watched the people. He stole a sweater and simply walked and got rides to Paris. He would use the sign "I am a deaf mute" He was able to link up with the resistance just before he got into the city. He knew that if some German pilot or partisan saw him in the woods they would know he was an enemy pilot. Besides with no map and no compass it's really easy to get lost. They told us in SERE school to learn to blend in; that is the best chance you have of escaping successfully. The only danger is that if you are caught, and out of uniform they can shoot you as a spy.
@@justaguy328 You're forgetting that in war there are controls on the local population, things like curfews and there are patrols looking for people out at night like people who are saboteurs, or criminals. Plus with night vision you stand out like a ghost on a dark night. If we saw an Iraqi out at night on a road or on the side of the road we knew he wasn't out for exercise. The first rule is to find concealment and assess your situation and observe the population and assess your situation Then try and get information. How are people acting, do things look normal? Do you see enemy soldiers, Remember you probably have no idea where you are, you have no map, you probably can't read road signs etc. Once you determine that you can make a plan, but to just go running around wildly at night is not a smart move. SERE. Survival, EVASION Resistance Escape. My uncle caught a German Colonel in civilian clothes in France because he looked too well fed and healthy to be a part of the local population. Pulled him out of a line of French refugees. Guess what he said to him that blew it? "Hiel Hitler" His response was so well grained that he just answered with the salute.
Doesnt matter much what you do since youre deep in enemy territory. What are you going to do? Walk all the way to Britain? The best thing you can do is just surrender in your uniform, so maybe they dont outright execute you. Its easier for you, for your enemy, for everyone really.
@@jerlewis4291 There are most DEFINITELY set rules, or rather very strongly recomended guidelines. Stay away from linear areas (roads/rails), travel at night, avoid contact. That said, the top rule is to GET AWAY from your touchdown point which means moving no matter what time of day it is because someone could/would have seen your parachute and reported it in.
Apparently, major Egan was an idiot, moving around like a walk in the nearby park, threatening kids with his pistol, walking backwards in a pond and outsmartet by the locals .......
A guy from my home area in Australia was shot down and captured by German civilians during WWII. He and three others from his bomber crew were executed by the civilians. Another two crew were saved from the same fate by a Catholics Priest and a Luftwaffe officer on leave.
No, how can you say that. Germans would never do it. Only Nazis killed people. Its another race from space but they gone now. German people suffered the most
@@ingramfan4470 I know brother, it's sarcasm. Germans are now playing the victims and blaming it all on Adolf and his chronies. Wheres the whole nation was just as bad.
"Geht in's Haus und ruft die Polizei" - I don't know about the distribution of phones among farmers at that time, but in German towns and cities having a phone wasn't universal till the mid 1970s!
"Ruft die Polizei" means calling the police, it doesn't neccessarily mean calling them by phone, screaming like a banshee on the town square might do the trick too.
in German, the word "rufen" has several variations but the most basic form means "to call". The variation "anrufen" on the other hand becomes more specific, meaning "to call by phone".
@1:07 while a modern German farmer might tell their kids to go in the house and all the police, it's pretty unlikely this farmer in the 1940s had a phone. especially in Germany.
You never know the full background of the adult farmer who spoke English -- not a farm boy. A lot of Germans knew at least some English for one reason or another. I watched the American Oscar-nominated film "Decision at Dawn" shot on-location in Germany just after the war in 1951 using real German actors who lived and acted all throughout Nazi German rule, including a very young Oskar Werner who in real life before Hollywood discovered him was a German pacifist draft dodger who hid from the authorities because he was anti-Nazi, along with American actors like Richard Basehart and Gary Merrill. You'd be amazed how many of the German actors in the film spoke excellent English -- good enough to hold important parts in the film, which is totally in English. Also, I watched Peter Jackson's incredible documentary "They Shall Not Grow Old" on World War I using carefully restored and colorized British Imperial War Museum film archives. In one sequence, a British soldier recounts his experience dealing with a small group of German prisoners. He was shocked to discover one of the prisoners - just a private - spoke excellent English because he worked in a hotel near Trafalgar Square in London before the war.
" Lighten up Francis " People need to remember that this was a TV drama not a PBS documentary . The nit pickers and amateur historians should take a breath too . This series as good as it was was based on a book written 60 years after the war ended . The book was based on many sources , interviews etc. As the commercial used to say : " Your mileage may vary ". It was inspiring and entertaining and if it encourages our youth to read further on the war years and our history in general then that is a good thing .
Armed civilians engaging in military action - free to engage. In this situation its a little weird. Egan is on the run and out of the battlespace (i.e. the air where he fights). He is in essence lost from his unit without standing orders other than survive. There is no battle or any operation going on in the area so he can not assume these civilians are acting as militia or are supporting military forces. They are pursuing him yes, but ROE for this situation would be "fire if only fired upon" (i.e defend yourself). POWs and soldiers avoiding capture can not commit murder (i.e kill a civilian for their cloths to blend in.) If they did they would be classed in the best case criminals worse case spies and immediately executed.
Seems pointless to be shot down in the middle of enemy territory then to start going around threatening kids with your gun. Your chances of escape were already slim and anyone you encounter already resents you. Egan forced those farmers to come after him with guns, needlessly risking his own life and theirs and he increased the likelihood of being mistreated for himslef and anyone else captured as POWs. I suppose this adds to the storyline though and it's an amazing series.
Home advantage, I guess since it's more or less their front lawn, I guess. Back then, a good deal of the peasant population knew how to hunt / poach ( both with firearms and with traps). Besides, several commentators already mentioned that at that time most men the age of the two actors would have been WW I vets and therefore knew how to shoot and most importantly knew how to steal up on someone.
@@aolson1111 Veterans who forgot the battle buddy rule? It would’ve been so easy to ambush the first farmer at 2:30, then hide in the water and ambush the second one when he comes to help.
Did he put his pistol under the water, even a little. I don't know much about guns but surely this is a terrible idea? Won't it mess with the primer ignition?
@@poloptree2The gun would still probably function but the slide velocity would be retarded to the point that I doubt it would be able to eject and strip a new round anywhere near reliably.
Another reason I never watched the series due to all the inaccuracies - free failing before popping your shut was never used or even known ago. Actors playing a part they know nothing about.
i dont think your average kraut farmer would go hunting for pistol wielding downed pilots. This whole show was doing fine until it made Germans into cartoon villians
Those 2 farmers are most likely World War I vets based on their age. They are already combat experienced. And in a few years would be fighting again in the volkssturm, if they were unfortunate.
Yeah, I didn't think they were really portrayed as "cartoon villains". I think they reacted the way men in any civilized nation would have reacted (during that era) when an enemy airman has been found to have dropped in their neighborhood. They picked up their hunting guns and went to make sure he wasn't a further threat to their community and turn him over to the military authorities -- which was probably was expected of them. Men were men back then.
They certainly would have reported it to the local authorities, who probably would have come around in force with scent hounds. Either way there was a not a significant chance of escape.
when your cities and towns are getting bombed all around you by foreign strangers, then one of them lands on your farm…yeah you’re going to have an issue with him. doesn’t mean you support a genocide that you aren’t aware of
How does your brain come up with the muddled notion that loyalty to your country and hatred for those bombing it, and killing your compatriots, is being supportive of the Nazis?
There’s a vast difference between support and obedience or conformity. Those kids, had he refused to play ball, would be hanging from a tree. Most people conform, most people do as those around them do, yet nobody thinks they’d have been a nazi supporter if living in Germany in the 1930’s and early 40’s. Absolute nonsense. We’re mostly all products of our environment and majority opinion. The only true non-conformists die young.
Dude he's literally an armed man trespassing on his property not to mention a foreign invader. How entitled are you americans that you think you deserve to be treated like fucking angels XD.
@@ernestmoulin8962 Not British, Not French? Just American, like if he spoke that's one thing but he did not say a word and god knows his uniform is just a jacket with some green clothing.
@@tn1149 You are the one who is wildly inaccurate. After being released from the Allied military hospital & POW camp, my grandfather stayed at a local farm in the Rhineland. The farmer still had a gun, even though this was then a criminal offense under the provisional law of the Allied authorities. He used the gun to hunt and get some food on the table. This was at the end of 1945.
@@tn1149 Let me guess; you got that absolute fiction from the NRA, to support the idiotic idea that “tyrannical governments take away guns” and “if the Jews had guns they could have prevented the holocaust” or “if the Germans had guns someone could’ve stopped the Nazis”. You’re believing a ridiculous lie. The Nazis never ever took away everyone in Germany’s guns. That wouldn’t have even been feasible.
@@Melior_Traiano That's not relevant to the scenario in this footage - were German farmers permitted to keep shotguns under the Third Reich before the capitulation May 1945 ?
They should have offered him a cigarette so he could have said "Thanks awfully old chap"
Nah (I get the reference; "Battle of Britain" was a good movie). Being an American of that period, he'd say: "Thanks, Mac."
*Never walk through enemy territory by day, lay up in cover, then move at night, avoiding farms & towns as much as possible.*
Stay off the roads, go across country.
There's no set rule, my uncle was shot down about 20 miles outside of Paris, luckily it was cold and raining that day so no one saw him come down,. He stayed hidden for a day and watched the people. He stole a sweater and simply walked and got rides to Paris. He would use the sign "I am a deaf mute" He was able to link up with the resistance just before he got into the city. He knew that if some German pilot or partisan saw him in the woods they would know he was an enemy pilot. Besides with no map and no compass it's really easy to get lost. They told us in SERE school to learn to blend in; that is the best chance you have of escaping successfully. The only danger is that if you are caught, and out of uniform they can shoot you as a spy.
@@jerlewis4291 There are definitely set rules. Moving at night is an obvious one.
@@justaguy328 You're forgetting that in war there are controls on the local population, things like curfews and there are patrols looking for people out at night like people who are saboteurs, or criminals. Plus with night vision you stand out like a ghost on a dark night. If we saw an Iraqi out at night on a road or on the side of the road we knew he wasn't out for exercise. The first rule is to find concealment and assess your situation and observe the population and assess your situation Then try and get information. How are people acting, do things look normal? Do you see enemy soldiers, Remember you probably have no idea where you are, you have no map, you probably can't read road signs etc. Once you determine that you can make a plan, but to just go running around wildly at night is not a smart move. SERE. Survival, EVASION Resistance Escape. My uncle caught a German Colonel in civilian clothes in France because he looked too well fed and healthy to be a part of the local population. Pulled him out of a line of French refugees. Guess what he said to him that blew it? "Hiel Hitler" His response was so well grained that he just answered with the salute.
Doesnt matter much what you do since youre deep in enemy territory. What are you going to do? Walk all the way to Britain?
The best thing you can do is just surrender in your uniform, so maybe they dont outright execute you. Its easier for you, for your enemy, for everyone really.
@@jerlewis4291 There are most DEFINITELY set rules, or rather very strongly recomended guidelines. Stay away from linear areas (roads/rails), travel at night, avoid contact.
That said, the top rule is to GET AWAY from your touchdown point which means moving no matter what time of day it is because someone could/would have seen your parachute and reported it in.
Apparently, major Egan was an idiot, moving around like a walk in the nearby park, threatening kids with his pistol, walking backwards in a pond and outsmartet by the locals .......
Something Something clueless nobles...
Their turf...they know the place like their own pocket..
"outsmartet by the locals" Or as we in Europe like to say Hardened WW1 Veterans
They gave them essentially zero training on SERE in these days.
I just farted.
A guy from my home area in Australia was shot down
and captured by German civilians during WWII.
He and three others from his bomber crew were executed by the civilians.
Another two crew were saved from the same fate by a Catholics Priest and a Luftwaffe officer on leave.
I've heard a story about a B-29 crewman who bailed out over Japan and shot himself with his colt just before a mob of villagers could reach him.
No, how can you say that. Germans would never do it. Only Nazis killed people. Its another race from space but they gone now. German people suffered the most
@@kanalnr1 because it actually happened?
@@ingramfan4470 I know brother, it's sarcasm. Germans are now playing the victims and blaming it all on Adolf and his chronies. Wheres the whole nation was just as bad.
@@kanalnr1the PiS minion has spoken
"Geht in's Haus und ruft die Polizei" - I don't know about the distribution of phones among farmers at that time, but in German towns and cities having a phone wasn't universal till the mid 1970s!
"Ruft die Polizei" means calling the police, it doesn't neccessarily mean calling them by phone, screaming like a banshee on the town square might do the trick too.
Probably they'd take a bycicle and ride to the closest place that had a phone.
in German, the word "rufen" has several variations but the most basic form means "to call". The variation "anrufen" on the other hand becomes more specific, meaning "to call by phone".
@@raphiontherocks1591But "get in the house and call the police" sounds like there is a way of calling the police from inside the house.
You should know that's a difference between "rufen" und "anrufen".
Masters of the Air: Rambo First Blood
Good looking German people.
The farmers ate well.
@1:07 while a modern German farmer might tell their kids to go in the house and all the police, it's pretty unlikely this farmer in the 1940s had a phone. especially in Germany.
Anrufen = to call (by telephone). Rufen = shout/talk to.
As the saying goes, movies are meant to be paintings, not pictures. Things like that are irrelevant. These are human stories, not documentaries.
"For you the war's over" - what are the odds that a 1944 German farmboy would even know enough English to say that?
You never know the full background of the adult farmer who spoke English -- not a farm boy. A lot of Germans knew at least some English for one reason or another. I watched the American Oscar-nominated film "Decision at Dawn" shot on-location in Germany just after the war in 1951 using real German actors who lived and acted all throughout Nazi German rule, including a very young Oskar Werner who in real life before Hollywood discovered him was a German pacifist draft dodger who hid from the authorities because he was anti-Nazi, along with American actors like Richard Basehart and Gary Merrill. You'd be amazed how many of the German actors in the film spoke excellent English -- good enough to hold important parts in the film, which is totally in English. Also, I watched Peter Jackson's incredible documentary "They Shall Not Grow Old" on World War I using carefully restored and colorized British Imperial War Museum film archives. In one sequence, a British soldier recounts his experience dealing with a small group of German prisoners. He was shocked to discover one of the prisoners - just a private - spoke excellent English because he worked in a hotel near Trafalgar Square in London before the war.
They studied English in school and unlike today kids actually studied well at school so it's not unreasonable.
You don’t know his background lmao, any German back then could have learned a little or visited an English speaking country before the war
They are most likely WWI Veterns and learnt some english throughout the years.
My grandfather fought in WWII and he only knew "I surrender" which he told the Canadian soldier who took him prisoner in 1945.
pistol was cocked, then after the shotgun shot, cocked it again
Yes, this way he made it double-cocked. A double-cocked pistol deals double damage. It's an old military trick. :-)
Tell me some more autistic observations nobody with charisma and charm cares for.
For you the war is over, Jesus that is cliche
That's what many veterans say they were told when they got captured
" Lighten up Francis " People need to remember that this was a TV drama not a PBS documentary . The nit pickers and amateur historians should take a breath too . This series as good as it was was based on a book written 60 years after the war ended . The book was based on many sources , interviews etc. As the commercial used to say : " Your mileage may vary ". It was inspiring and entertaining and if it encourages our youth to read further on the war years and our history in general then that is a good thing .
Jeeze, did all of ze Germans learn that line "for you ze war is over" at school.
Rules of engagement ?
Armed civilians engaging in military action - free to engage. In this situation its a little weird. Egan is on the run and out of the battlespace (i.e. the air where he fights). He is in essence lost from his unit without standing orders other than survive. There is no battle or any operation going on in the area so he can not assume these civilians are acting as militia or are supporting military forces. They are pursuing him yes, but ROE for this situation would be "fire if only fired upon" (i.e defend yourself). POWs and soldiers avoiding capture can not commit murder (i.e kill a civilian for their cloths to blend in.) If they did they would be classed in the best case criminals worse case spies and immediately executed.
Seems pointless to be shot down in the middle of enemy territory then to start going around threatening kids with your gun. Your chances of escape were already slim and anyone you encounter already resents you. Egan forced those farmers to come after him with guns, needlessly risking his own life and theirs and he increased the likelihood of being mistreated for himslef and anyone else captured as POWs. I suppose this adds to the storyline though and it's an amazing series.
How did he get managed to get captured by a bunch of farmers?
Home advantage, I guess since it's more or less their front lawn, I guess. Back then, a good deal of the peasant population knew how to hunt / poach ( both with firearms and with traps). Besides, several commentators already mentioned that at that time most men the age of the two actors would have been WW I vets and therefore knew how to shoot and most importantly knew how to steal up on someone.
You mean veterans of WW1?
Yes, rather veterans and not veterinarians. Sorry! 🙄😁@@aolson1111
@@aolson1111 Veterans who forgot the battle buddy rule? It would’ve been so easy to ambush the first farmer at 2:30, then hide in the water and ambush the second one when he comes to help.
Сразу видно любовь мирных жителей к американским лётчикам. За 80 лет ни чего не поменялось: Германия, Корея, Вьетнам, Югославия и т.д.
Did he put his pistol under the water, even a little. I don't know much about guns but surely this is a terrible idea? Won't it mess with the primer ignition?
🤓but yeah I think so
No? The primer is waterproof and bullets don't need air to fire.
@AB-el1zz okay, water in the chamber might cause a jam though right? Even if you get a shot off?
@@poloptree2The gun would still probably function but the slide velocity would be retarded to the point that I doubt it would be able to eject and strip a new round anywhere near reliably.
Guns can fire underwater but it would be completely useless
Another reason I never watched the series due to all the inaccuracies - free failing before popping your shut was never used or even known ago. Actors playing a part they know nothing about.
God help the solemn few Germans who managed not to get brainwashed by the party. I can’t imagine what they must have went through
which part was brainwashing
How is it possible to walk around as on a promenade ??? - Anyway , only bad cinema...😂😂😂
Where can I watch for free?
Terrorflieger
You reap what you sow
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@@AB-mw8oz
Who sowed what?
Very true, but that also applies to Germans, the British, and the Japanese at least.
Innocent civilians no doubt
i dont think your average kraut farmer would go hunting for pistol wielding downed pilots. This whole show was doing fine until it made Germans into cartoon villians
Those 2 farmers are most likely World War I vets based on their age. They are already combat experienced. And in a few years would be fighting again in the volkssturm, if they were unfortunate.
Villains? Looks to me they were just defending their home
Yeah, I didn't think they were really portrayed as "cartoon villains". I think they reacted the way men in any civilized nation would have reacted (during that era) when an enemy airman has been found to have dropped in their neighborhood. They picked up their hunting guns and went to make sure he wasn't a further threat to their community and turn him over to the military authorities -- which was probably was expected of them. Men were men back then.
They certainly would have reported it to the local authorities, who probably would have come around in force with scent hounds. Either way there was a not a significant chance of escape.
how are they cartoon villain's lmao? this is pretty normal stuff dude.
When you hear someone say the rank and file populace wasn't supportive of the nazis.
when your cities and towns are getting bombed all around you by foreign strangers, then one of them lands on your farm…yeah you’re going to have an issue with him. doesn’t mean you support a genocide that you aren’t aware of
How does your brain come up with the muddled notion that loyalty to your country and hatred for those bombing it, and killing your compatriots, is being supportive of the Nazis?
There’s a vast difference between support and obedience or conformity. Those kids, had he refused to play ball, would be hanging from a tree.
Most people conform, most people do as those around them do, yet nobody thinks they’d have been a nazi supporter if living in Germany in the 1930’s and early 40’s. Absolute nonsense. We’re mostly all products of our environment and majority opinion. The only true non-conformists die young.
Dude he's literally an armed man trespassing on his property not to mention a foreign invader. How entitled are you americans that you think you deserve to be treated like fucking angels XD.
Vengeance about the air-murderers
Okay I have one question, how the fuck did those kids know he was American lmao
They knew the American dropped bombs near, then they get threatened by a random soldier who clearly don't wear a German uniform, it's an easy guess
Could have been a brit but he wasn't drinking tea so they just put two and two together.
@@ernestmoulin8962 Not British, Not French? Just American, like if he spoke that's one thing but he did not say a word and god knows his uniform is just a jacket with some green clothing.
@@sirus976 Americans bomb at day, the British at night. They probably just assumed.
@@sirus976 english did night bombing, americans did day bombing
German civilians with firearms? Absurd. They rounded them up.
They absolutely did not lmao
@@dashikashi4734 Wildly inaccurate. A fast google search will show after WW1 German civillians were disarmed.
@@tn1149 You are the one who is wildly inaccurate. After being released from the Allied military hospital & POW camp, my grandfather stayed at a local farm in the Rhineland. The farmer still had a gun, even though this was then a criminal offense under the provisional law of the Allied authorities. He used the gun to hunt and get some food on the table. This was at the end of 1945.
@@tn1149 Let me guess; you got that absolute fiction from the NRA, to support the idiotic idea that “tyrannical governments take away guns” and “if the Jews had guns they could have prevented the holocaust” or “if the Germans had guns someone could’ve stopped the Nazis”.
You’re believing a ridiculous lie. The Nazis never ever took away everyone in Germany’s guns. That wouldn’t have even been feasible.
@@Melior_Traiano That's not relevant to the scenario in this footage - were German farmers permitted to keep shotguns under the Third Reich before the capitulation May 1945 ?