Masters Of The Air | Bombardment scene of masters of the air episode 2
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- Masters Of The Air: Bombardment Scene (2024) with Austin Butler and Barry Keoghan
Based on Donald L. Miller’s book of the same name, and scripted by John Orloff, “Masters of the Air” follows the men of the 100th Bomb Group (the “Bloody Hundredth”) as they conduct perilous bombing raids over Nazi Germany and grapple with the frigid conditions, lack of oxygen and sheer terror of combat conducted at 25,000 feet in the air. Portraying the psychological and emotional price paid by these young men as they helped destroy the horror of Hitler’s Third Reich, is at the heart of “Masters of the Air.” Some were shot down and captured; some were wounded or killed. And some were lucky enough to make it home. Regardless of individual fate, a toll was exacted on them all.
From executive producers Steven Spielberg, Tom Hanks and Gary Goetzman, the series features a stellar cast led by Academy Award nominee Austin Butler, Callum Turner, Anthony Boyle, Nate Mann, Rafferty Law, Academy Award nominee Barry Keoghan, Josiah Cross, Branden Cook and Ncuti Gatwa. - Krátké a kreslené filmy
i know people are knocking the CGI but you gotta admit, this shit is nerve-wracking as fuck, they seem to capture the craziness of being in the middle of the chaos pretty well
i agree with you, leave the CGi behind, think about those hero's who fought in that battles for us, for their country, for their family! with or without fear.
@@MrCut1 They had fear, they just learned to put it aside. My father flew 52 missions on' 17s and 25 with the Bloody 100th ( 351st sq, Piccadilly Lily JUN-OCT '43) . I once asked him if he was afraid when they went on missions and he said you would have to be dead to not have fear. But he said you channeled the fear into preparation and situational awareness. Some men could not handle the fear and they got reassigned. One of his original crew members was reassigned to armament because he could not handle the battle fatigue. My Dad kept a diary of his WW2 experiences. He was very detailed in his entries during his time in the 100th as it was his first combat experience. You can see his transformation from country boy to combat hardened airman just from his words in the diary. Episode 3 will be about the AUG17 Regensberg mission where the 100th lost 40% of their crews. Dad writes about it in his diary and list the names of his buddies that did not make it back from battle who he had just been drinking with in the local pub. Gut wrenching to read.
I agree with you. It definitely captures the craziness and anxiety.
@@MrCut1 they fought for the guys on the crew and for their girls back home. Exact quote from my father who flew 52 missions on '17s.
That's how I see it. The whole object is to replicate the chaos experienced by these crews. It's not an action flick...it's about the human experience
Well. No series can be perfect, but at least they aren't screaming in the intercoms.
I don't think the shock of flak has ever been shown so well on screen
Memphis Belle?
Band of Brothers looked bad before the drops in Normandy
Agree though the flak scenes in movie Memphis Belle were pretty dramatic also, and the flak in the video game "The Mighty Eighth" could knock your teeth out!
Most people think that fighters were the only concern for bombers. But the flak was just as deadly.
I was thinking it was maybe a bit exaggerated.
Like if it was that close to knock people around, where is the shrapnel tearing through the plane?
I understand now how the flak could be so thick you could walk on it. The Germans really could pour it on with those 88's.
My Dad used to tell me the same thing about the flak, "so thick I thought I could get out and walk on it!"
They also had 15.5 cm upgraded version of the 8.8 cm Flak
@@jimward204 mine wrote that exact quote in his diary he kept while with the 100TH BG . He was waist gunner on the Piccadilly Lily of the 351st SQ and his diary entries support what you see in EP 1-3.
imagine surviving 52 mission like this, robert rosenthal are GOAT
Most didn't.
Arnold, Eaker, Lemay, etc. were terrible leaders.
Only 25% of the total bomber crews return to the USA unharmed. The otjer 75% were killed, wounded, missing or captured
170 for wcomm Guy Gibson.
@@jayd8743 And even with such a ridiculous amount of ops under his belt, he still didn't survive the war.
This show was great. Watched it all in two days. 😂
Watched both episodes several times already and it's dam good. They did it right I am soooooo pleased as I knew some of these guys and was so afraid they'd mess this up but not to worry people those who actually did this I feel would be proud of it.
yes! just like Band of Brothers!
unfortunately, there are few, if any, left from this time period. My Dad would have turned 100 this year and he was 18 during most of this time period in the series. Before his death , he started remembering a lot of his experiences in the war , including his time in the Bloody 100Th. Not sure how accurate those stories were as he lay there dying, but he held great fondness for the buddies he flew with.
@@stevedavis9466 Steve buddy I've seen your comments all over we think alot alike buddy. Would love to contact you and share stories about these great men. Not tech savvy so not sure how that's done haha. I was with the 8th veterans for decades as I joined the 8th AAF Historical Society back in 1991. Line you said there's not many left man do I miss them. All the ones I personally knew are all gone now. This series really makes me miss them. Be nice to share it with someone who understands that.
No. You don't know any of those. Stop lying
@@Xingmey why would you doubt he knew some members of the 100th? I did, my father being one and 2 of his crew who flew with him visited my family when I was a boy. One of those guys was a POW from OCT8 until the end of the war. They rarely talked about their experiences.
Brave lads who went through this in WW2. Huge respect, true heroes.
well said!
More like the true war criminals.
@@SpookyScaryGangRapingSkeletonYou just turned 15, didn't you? Been there...
@@gmatsue84 says the adult man with a Simpsons pfp. It's true the allies bombed tons of civilians in non-sensical terror bombings. Started by Churchill.
@@SpookyScaryGangRapingSkeleton Yes, it is.
There are only 6 B-17's in the world that can still fly and even fewer German fighters like the ME-109 and the FW-190 so it makes no sense that people are complaining about using CGI. CGI is fine as long as it is not overdone and in Masters of the Air the air sequences look and sound realistic. In other movies like Red Tails and Midway the air sequences and battles look like what you see in video games.
I'm surprised at the hate this clip gets.??
It's a great scene. Ppl can't imagine how terrifying it would be to deliberately fly into flak batteries in broad daylight.
Es ist ekelhaft die Bombardierung auf Zivilisten zu zeigen, oder? Daran ist nichts heldenhaft, auch wenn viele diese Männer für Helden halten mögen. Es war nicht Kriegsentscheidend Städte auszulöschen.
The people who dislike the cartoonish CGI and bad acting in the trailers are disappointed that the bravery of those bomber crews is represented by such a trash film.
I think this shows fantastic! Can’t wait to see all of it! 👏🏼😎
me too! just like band of brothers!
@@MrCut1 I expect it will be better than BoB, & “The Pacific “ too! Those were GREAT, but this one may be even better!
I think this bombardier is the coolest dude in the show. He sits on his helmet during flak, eat biscuit and enjoying the view when they are not out of danger and just over the worst mission in history. Cool as a jewel.
He’s sitting on his flak vest. Some aircrews did that. They were protecting their genitals. These were young guys, after all.
My Dad was a bombardier on Forts with the 15th AAF. He was 23 and already a 4 year Army veteran. He was cool 😎 all his life. Always my hero. Miss ya Da.❤❤ ❤
My father was in the Royal Artillery and when on leave in Norfolk would see the B17s and B24s return badly shot up, He told me they were hero's and such brave courageous men, he himself was wounded twice in WW2.
My father's boss was a bombardier in a B-17. For his birthday 20-odd years ago, my parents found him an old Norden bomb sight assembly and bought it for him. He burst into tears, both from being touched by their gift, and the memories which were not so great in and of themselves... but dad had been through Korea, and understood the kind and type of impact that gift would bring. His boss passed away shortly after my dad did, but until and even past the end of their living relationship, they remained the best of friends... because they understood each other.
nice story... thank you!
Is this the scene where they bomb the uboatbunkers in Trondheim?
They are still standing today, 80 years later by the way, 😅
When Band of Brothers first came out (before CZcams) a big complaint was things happened fast and it was hard to tell one character from another. Kind of the same with The Pacific. But once you've watched scenes multiple times you really see what's going on, and they did a fantastic job. I think this is going to be great to watch multiple times, and will get better each time.
What a joke... Both were so easy to follow as they built up each character. This however is a piece of mass produced shit, Ambrose litterally wrote the book Hanks and Co could have followed but they didn't use it. Cgi is horrid, memphis belle did it better.
@@jayd8743 Nah I'm right
This is what my dad did In WWII. He was a navigator bombardier on the B 24, B29, and B-52’s..
wow. good, What stories did he tell?
My father was Flakhelfer in Munich, 1943. He was 14 years old.
is he alive now?
@@MrCut1 no. He is 2021 gone.
@@DaBeppo R.I.P
@@MrCut1 thank you!
How do you get to watch this fantastic show? Its not streaming anywhere is it and I could not find any DVD.
Timing/geometry of the impacts and overflight seems off. The way its cut makes it seem as though the impacts are occurring at the same time bombs are still dropping from the planes when there should be quite a delay between release and impact, with the bombs dropping behind as they give up some of their forward velocity to drag.
Also the bombs we see would hit miles behind the actual harbour.
The Norden Bombsight was a paradigm of WWII technology, a special analog computer and servo systems to control the airplane, it qualifies as early AI.
Bomber crews claimed that they could 'drop a pickle in a barrel' with this technology.
It was a decent sight, but its abilities are often overstated.
The 'pickle barrel' claim was complete nonsense - bombing accuracy was horrendous, thats why they used 10-1000 planes and just pressed the button in the general vicinity of the target, the natural innacuracy of the bombs caused the 'carpet bombing' effect.
As for the 'controlling the plane', no its not early AI or anything like that. The bombardier had a control that was directly linked to the planes autopilot, enabling him to yaw it left and right. Thats all the control he had, the bombsight itself controlled nothing.
@@Debbiebabe69 I suggest you look into this a bit more. The Norden computed trajectories using gears, levers, disk integrators and other mechanical gizmos and was interfaced to the autopilot control servomechanisms....In effect, the aircraft was turned into a giant artillery piece that was triggered by the bombardier. Who had to make the decision based on a visual presentation of the target. Hampered by flak as we see, turbulence, clouds, bad seeing, smoke and vision starved of oxygen. Hence poor results that were experienced at such a high cost. do not sell the Norden short, under good conditions it WAS very accurate. An electromechanical marvel and a tribute to human engineering under extreme pressure
@@user-cr5yy4te3iUser-bunchofnumbers sounds like an AI himself :) As with any bomb sight of the time it took into account many factors but was still very far from what we would consider accurate. Back then a hit within a 500m radius of the target was considered a hit, when in reality, the bomb could have dropped half a kilometer away from you.
You're spreading 80 year old propaganda. In reality the Norden Bombsight was mediocre at best. Tragically the whole doctrine of mass daylight "precision" bombing raids was ineffective. Lives of airmen wasted for very little gain.
and completely pointless. USAF day bombing was no more accurate than that of the RAF at night and cloud and smoke rendering it useless. The USAF adopted H2S (H2X) in the end.. A white elephant.
Basil Exposition heading the crew. Scenes inside the aircraft, pretty good. CGI, bit like flak.
'roger wilco'
AAAAAARGH!
Dont they have even basic military advisors? 'Roger wilco' is not an never has been a valid term in radio communication. You can say 'Roger' OR you can say 'Wilco', both together never happens and is meaningless. Its like 'over and out'..... complete nonsense... you either say 'over' (over to you, awaiting reply) or you say 'out' (end of conversation)
Intense. Unbelievable training, discipline, and nerve required to go through that.
Honestly some movies CGI annoys me, but when I'm watching the best recreation of one of the craziest bombing runs of WW2 I don't mind as much as I'm here for the history. I just wish it wasn't only on AppleTV. I can't afford all these streaming sites.
Fact is the cgi is unconvincing in places, it's just true. There's no need to get upset over people mentioning that 😂
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Interior scenes are very authentic, but why is exterior CGI so consistently awful with western made films ? Look at what the Japanese studios do in films like 'Eternal Zero' and 'Isoroku' - they are in a different league.
Well, aren't they special.
Good for them?
I question if the inter-plane comms were so clear
Most may not know this, but bombers changed their altitudes every so often to evade flack.
I watched it with a close friend when it came out. A lot of people were introduced, so it was hard for me to follow.
CGI is a hit or miss. But it ain't no "Midway".
I know there are a dozen airworthy B-17s left but I don't want to hear of another Texas Raider crash.
I think it is good, shows how bombing missions were not easy, and the intensity of flak, enemy fighters all around you.
agreed, buy speaking of midway, while I appreciate what they tried to do with its still, dauntless the battle of midway from 2019 did better than midway, in my own opinion at least
America's greatest Generation! Thank God for you brave men!
100% agree, true heroes
Nur Männer die benutzt wurden!
Menphis belle will always be the best movie.
its a good movie too
Bravery.
All and well kids, but all you have to do is watch Gregory Peck in Twelve O'Clock High to watch a Master movie.
The Germans used a "Box Barrage" technique. They would aim all the guns at a point in the sky that the planes were predicted to be in when the AA shells went off. With the 88 and 128 Flak, it would result in a devastating barrage of shrapnel. The Germans didn't care Which planes got hit as long as Some got hit. It was a Very Effective method
I need to stop getting so pissed off when i work longer than i wished....
My life is insignificant to these dudes....all of em
don''t underestimate yourself =))
I really cannot stand people knocking CGI. There are hardly any WW2 planes left. Certainly not enough to form large wings. As long as CGI is done well, not like Red Tails, then I am happy.
...there is good CGI and there is bad CGI. Nothing to do with how many WW2 planes are left.
@@KBKriechbaum Clearly it does, because if we had hundreds of flyable warlpanes, we wouldnt need CGI.
@@leth9320 You do not need flyable warplanes to make GOOD CGI. Clearly, the budget wasn't big enough to pay for good CGI, so we got mediocre CGI combined with poor physics.
@@KBKriechbaum My point is, you don't need CGI if you have the real thing to use. CGI is necessary today. The CGI in MOTA, is excellent. There are no fantastic manoeuvres, or impossible situations. It's believable.
As in "Band of Brothers" it should not been music in these scenes, it would make all more realistic.
totally agree with you
Does anyone have any information on a dvd release?
i don't
Maybe it's just how it looks in these clips, but even the scenes of the men inside the planes look like an animation.
Generally the cgi is shit in the show, especially on the ground.
Cartoon time. Shame
Agreed. Totally cartoonish.
It definitely looks different in these clips versus my TV. My TV looked much better but its fine either way.
thanks
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Great animation
Do you think so Robert? I was slightly disappointed.
One bomber. That's ten men. Ten.... How the fuck can it carry a payload with twenty balls of steel.
Have seen life magazine where young men in B-17. All are young man and bright future. But not all of them came home.
Most didn't.
80 thousand died in the bombardment of Germany..loss of aircraft nearly 2000 I believe all types..bombers, fighters..etc...more than the marines in the pacific.
Most did.
*This took place during Band of Brothers.*
Before
this is before band of brothers
Everyone should learn about the Second World War. Good movie and series add to that personal dimension. Band of Brothers, The Pacific, Enemy at the Gates, tge Aussie movie 'Kokoda', Letters from Iwo Jima/Flag of Our Fathers and documentaries like The World at War narrated by Sir Lawrence Olivier tells us what was at stake had people like Churchill had given Hitler free reign but didn't, because Winston Churchill knew what was at stake. Our freedom, our community.
And it will be threatened again.
War is like "Come and see".
They show contrails streaming from the bombers, but it appears that they are bombing from an altitude that would not promote contrail development. If you look at the scene where the bombs are being released, it just looks like the altitude is much too low. It's certainly does not appear to be from 25K feet!. Even so, the imagery is spectacular. Some of the CGI looks almost cheesy, while other times it's OK, while at times it looks really beautiful.
It's inevitable that mistakes, omissions, and inaccuracies will be made in a production like this. I've already seen vids where experts on the airwar over Europe have pointed out various errors. Some of them are pretty minor, while others are pretty noticeable--especially if you're an expert. But the average viewer won't know the difference.
I was skeptical of this series based on the trailers that I have seen. The series looked too glitzy, clean, and showy, but after seeing some of the actual clips, I may be convinced to watch the whole series. It has been my hope, as I'm sure it has been with plenty of other history buffs with a particular interest in US involvement in WW2, to see the air campaign against Germany done right. I've been reading this stuff since I was ten years old (late 1960s), and have been utterly consumed by this subject. I even became a pilot in order to experience the feel of flying an airplane. One of the planes I owned was a 1946 Globe Swift, and they look and fly like WW2 fighters--just scaled down versions.
Anyway, the last couple attmpts at capturing this air war that come to mind are Memphis Belle (1990) and Red Tails (2012). Both of these movies were truly awful. I could not even get further than twenty minutes into Red Tails before I nearly threw up with disgust. What I shit show mashup of WW2 air combat and Star Wars. It made a mockery of the contribution that black Americans of the time made to the war effort in that hard won campaign.
It's very good. I recommend. I believe the Red Tails make an appearance in this series as well.
The original HBO red tails movie was the better.
@@basemanawakens6089 You're right. I recall watching it years ago. It was actually pretty good.
Lmao none of it mattered. The Soviets won WWII
@@chaosXP3RT The USSR certainly played a massive role in helping to win the war, but they did not win the war solo. No ONE nation won the war. It was all the Allies' efforts that defeated Germany and Japan. Had the US not been drawn in, the outcome would have been much, much less certain. That's a fact!
What the hell are you reading that made you write that comment? Some Leftist rag, I'd presume.
Half the bombs landed on the neighbourhood behind the port...
That is where the workers lived!
Roger That ? not sure if pilots used that term in the 1940s ? 60s maybe ?
UK Military adapted the use of Roger at the start of the war
There is a very bad prt on these scene.. they are comming from sea, so they would not have been targeted by Flak 88 from that far away.. since they do not float... and flak 88 range being smaller than the bombing range displacement of a B17 at 10 km height.
Ano extraordinary serie 👍👍👍
yes! just like Band Of Brothers!
Looks like a avarage video game
Don't be unkind =)
@@MrCut1 i am just honest 😙
@@JoeKing-_i_am_not_joking thank you for your honesty =))
👀 On seeing this I have to assume actors are much cheaper than CGI 👀
So is your profile picture. ffs
@@leerich8758 BIGLY ✅
Reading comments back and forth on the CGI-
Just a thought for the anti-CGI crowd-would it have made a difference if the entire series was 100 % CGI?
For the the pro-CGI crowd-what does the CGI do or have that you appreciate the most?
Oh for f*ck sakes... Everyone seems to be a master of CGI nowadays! People just have to pick at things, It must give them some sort of satisfaction?! (Amazing series, it looks equally amazing!)
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what? english please
Masters of the Air. It’s on Apple TV
00:05 Those planes are far too close together. Did anyone do any research for this?!
Apparently, any research on B-17 formation flying, bombing, was ignored by the filmmakers.
This series is not for people that like authentic representations.
Does anyone know why they call out flak? They can't really do anything about, right?
I believe it so the crew in that aircraft as well as the rest of the bombers in the formation can have a chance to brace for incoming fire, but I coiluld be wrong so don't take what I said as fact, it's just my educated opinion on it
Did you spot the deliberate mistake? They misidentified the incoming fighter aircraft as JU-88's, these were German bombers not fighters, the attacking aircraft were ME-110's.
The Ju-88s were designed as bombers, but they were also used as fighters. Their fate was similar to the British Mosquitoes.
this series really suffers from no training scenes back in the U.S. they got into the action too quick. I quit watching because I thought the characters were fake.
This is only a cut or two above Red Tails
How many innocent women and children were killed by the bombs?
Not as many as were killed by Germans in death camps and invading Russia.
And today's virtue signaling cookie goes to...
*They did their best to not bomb civilian buildings. But when a factory is in the middle of a city, all the while being in the sky, engrossed in flak? It's not uncommon for civilian causalities to turn up in missions like these, but at least they were not deliberate, like how the Luftwaffe targeted London itself during the Battle of Britain.*
@@SCP--fj2jrRAF bombed German civilian targets right from the beginning, several weeks before Coventry or London happened. It was RAF early doctrine.
@@neinnein9306
"Strategic bombing during World War II in Europe began on 1 September 1939 when Germany invaded Poland and the Luftwaffe (German Air Force) began bombing Polish cities and the civilian population in an aerial bombardment campaign... The Royal Air Force, in retaliation for Luftwaffe attacks on the UK which started on 16 October 1939, began bombing military targets in Germany, commencing with the Luftwaffe seaplane air base at Hörnum on the 19-20 March 1940.[32] In September 1940 the Luftwaffe began targeting British civilians in the Blitz." -Wikipedia.
*Yes, I know wiki can be quite inaccurate at times, but just to give you a perspective, if the RAF did target civilians, then it was in response to German Aggression. But, that is a big IF, not exactly a certainty, but an, IF a bomb, which was inaccurately dropped from a high-altitude bomber, hits a home, and not beginning to mention that they were doing night-time missions whilst the Americans did day-time ones, I'd beg to differ that your statistics are mainly based on complete accidents and inaccurate readings than deliberate happenings.*
When the film “The Battle of Britain” was filmed in 1969, there was no CGI and there were real WW11 aircraft still available so all the flying sequences are real. That is no the case now and CGI is the only option - and from the little I have seen it looks pretty realistic.
a comparison between stats of these two movies shows you are wrong
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They should make a movie out of the book 'Catch 22'. This is too much Hollywood shit.
They've made 2 already, one last century, one this one. First one was better.
Interesting, never knew that @@l.robert2389
How the hell did the belle do 25 missions
pure luck. My father flew 52 missions on '17s in WW2 and he said he survived due to luck.
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Speen one day out call duty modern look real gemas ..... really real
I just don’t know how they did it.
how they did what?
@@MrCut1 errr, flew so many missions through all those dangers, flak and fighters. Never mind, the weather.
@@gordonmckenzie926 got it! lol
Just watched Memphis Bell again...34 years old...pisses all over this CGI muck...i really wanna cry cuz i had such high hopes for this show...but its nothing then COD...Mission #5 - Bomber... taking down 109's..
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If that was for real every single one of those bombs they dropped would have missed it's target by miles...
good PC game
These guys are unprofessional as hell. Freaking out over the intercom, cursing at every little thing. Must be draftees.
Cgi is not bad…
agree
Se imaginan a la generacion de cristal , en esa guerra?
what?
Why are they all wearing googles on foreheads? What is the point of eye protection like this?
they are behind the guns! maybe they know better =D
The b17 lineups are too compact, perhaps because it is intended for TV and not cinema.
It looks like a star war battle. What a mess
what you mean to compact? that was their entire defense. Dense formations so as many guns can be used for defense.
@@legiox3719 the tight formations helped defend against fighters but made them more vulnerable to flak. The trade off was that It meant a tight bomb pattern and they were less likely to have to go back and bomb the same target later.
They would close up the formation as they approached the target. It would be exhausting to try to fly that close for the entire mission, some of which were extremely long. My dad had missions that lasted 9 hours-at 25,000 feet in an unpressurized aircraft on oxygen masks with the temperatures as low as -30 Fahrenheit. You should look at some of the original film footage shot during missions. There is some on CZcams. You can see how close the planes were.
@@timmotz2827 Here, in fact, watch two films on yt: war lover and 12 o'clock high. There is archive footage that shows well the real density of the bomber formations.
This rubbish looks like star wars...
@@timmotz2827 it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combat_box
The only thing I find crap about this series, it doesn’t give the German perspective 80 years after the Second World War ended. It’s time for American movie makers to grow up.
Nobody cares, there is plenty of stuff covering the German perspective, often over-embellishing it to the point of Nazi apologia with shit like the myth of the clean Wehrmacht.
At the altitudes these planes flew without protection of their eyes their eye balls would freeze.
I don't know - the whole thing seems very artificial, especially the scenes with the planes in the crowd and the dialogue. I don't know - it's not for me!
i'm not agree! i like this serial very much!
The CGI ruins it.
Flak bumped up the air but it also did not need to be close to damage/destroy a bomber.
Furthermore, a bomber with two engines windmilling would be in real trouble.
I am disappointed.
Then don’t watch it, most seem to love it. Also, we see a bomber get hit from farther from flak, and Biddick plane was in real trouble. Not only are your inaccuracies not inaccuracies, but you’re just a bum.
@@stopmotionwarehouse8986 it appears on every feed enough that I will in fact comment on how they missed the mark. Granted it is my opinion on the CGI but it is a fact, flak bursting outside a window as it did in this scene would have killed the gunners and sawed the tail off. It is your opinion that most people like it you inaccuracies are not inaccuracies but you are just a flower. If you can't handle criticism then do not read my post.
@@DL541 except your opinion is factually wrong. You really think you know more than everybody, including coordinators
@@stopmotionwarehouse8986 No I am factually correct. Whatever a coordinator is does not me squat. You need to do your research.
A 88mm anti-aircraft round exploding close enough for the flame and concussion to enter the fuselage would damage the plane if not destroy it. In fact, flak could knock down a plane at 30 yards and cause damage out to 200.
@@DL541 yes, it could. You also are downgrading your statement. You started off by saying it would guaranteed rip the fuselage in half, and now saying damaged. I can show you videos of B-17s and bombers alike surging point blank hits from flak
Why are none of them wearing flak suits?
Maybe they didn't have it at that time. huh?
0:02 CGI is terrible. Totally unrealistic.
I...HATE...FLAK!!!
This shows dialogue is painfully boring. Get rid of all female love interest scenes. Butler was a bad pick, we need actors we do not know very well, the guy from Dunkirk is very natural.
Memphis Belle did it better. As did 12 O'Clock High.
Have to agree. So many niggles. Why do they call out the location of flak bursts (hey can't evade or shoot them)? Telling the navigator to "log it in the log" is pretty sloppy writing. And I think you should take a drink every time someone says "Sh1t that was close!"
My father was a crew member of the Piccadilly Lily of the 351st SQ/ 100th BG.His plane was the one depicted in ' 12 O'Clock High' . He was critical of it. He and I watched Memphis Belle together , critical of it. He was there, saw the action and NO movies gets it right.
Aircraft are too close together and too low. Looks like a collection of drones rather than a real formation . Hard pass for me.
The CGI looks not so good
"We defeated the wrong enemy!"
George Patton
Watching it a second time. It still looks like a bag of sh#t and is packed full of inaccuracies. Hopeless.
what inaccuracies? Please be specific.
Troll, name the inaccuracies
The formations were too close. Why is using a bombsight when he wasn't the lead plane? Only the lead plane actually aimed, the rest released on the lead. Flak exploding literally feet from his head with no effect. Ball turret calling out flak when they are in the middle of it. In another scene they call out JU88s when the planes have twin tail fins. Ju88s had a single fin and were hardly ever seen in daylight. He crashes into a cliff and doesn't destroy the plane. Getting bored now.. .
@@fitycalibre7555 don't call me a troll. Learn something.
@@jekylthorn8969 actually JU88s attacked the formations. My father was on many of these mission depicted in tis series as he flew 25 missions with the 100th/351st SQ from JUN-OCT, '43 on the Piccadilly Lily and kept a diary of his experiences. He records in the diary , on most missions, what fighters attacked them and which ones they shot down. He was a waist gunner. He recorded JU88s attacking on several occasions in daylight. All I can say is that his diary supports just about everything I have seen so far. He wrote on one mission that the flak was so thick you could walk on it. He describes the effects of the flak on his plane and how it killed one of his crew on one mission. So if the flak goes off feet from their head, It would be pure luck they didn't get hit. But luck was a major factor in men getting home. My Dad used to say that all the time: "I am one lucky bastard." He kept a piece of flak that lodged in his leather boot on one mission as a reminder of his luck. I saw it and held it and cant imagine it hitting a body.
Too over acted .
If you listen to RAF crews from Bomber Crews it’s much more matter of fact .
Btw I still prefer The Dam Busters including Guy Gibson’s black Labrador.
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It's just not good... Ambrose wrote The Wild Blue, litterally a classic of character development and storytelling where you get to know the men. They skipped the training and the horrors this entailed, the disappointment many got from failing to qualify as a pilot or navigatior.. It's just not on the same level and Bob or The Pacific. Terrible that Memphis Belle has better flight scenes as they use real b17s with clever camera work to get the visuals so clear and colourful, not this washed out cgi crap.
Sorry Apple, you blew it, same as Greyhound. Made for TV shout out look at me film making, not the visuals and character development we were expecting.
Menphis Belle is a zillions time better than this rubbish. CGI sucks big time.
Maybe CGI isn't good (which I don't agree with), but there's a lot of mess in it.
Looks and sounds like AI generated BS...Ike they made a video game instead of a movie...I'm out.
Pretty boring
corny.
Poor to say the least, not what we expected from Tom Hanks, usual Hollywood BS, I’ve stopped watching it.
It's a cartoon.
why are you saying that?
It's too CGI, and they are too Millennial for want of a better word. They didn't recreate the social culture of the 1940s. Midway was much better as an example; not perfect, but better.