Masters of the Air Clip - Bombs On Berlin (2024)
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Wtf those bomb explosions look like warthunder on mid settings 💀💀
worse
Gtx 1050 ti settings 😂
Omg while i been watching episodes i been thinking on war scenes exactly seems war thunder
real
I agree. Lamest visuals on the series
Am I the only one seeing a downgrade in picture quality and use of CGI since the old glory days of Band of brother's and The Pacific?
This CGI is not good
It's not mindblowing, but it gets the job done and looks reasonably well. We don't talk about marvel cgi lmao
But yes I do agree
You be Trippin bro
Pacific is the best IMO. Got tired of BOB from watching it so much lol. Wasn't to impressed with MOA especially with the last few episodes that went to shit after they built it up so much. It was all just such a let down and CGI didnt help any.
Happy with the show overall, but the CGI isn’t great. It’s comically bad in the first shot of the P-51s. They look like the same cardboard cutouts flying across the screen
lol wtf. This CGI is like a cutscene from a early 2000's videogame.
not good. You can watch movie Memphis Belle which did everything better in 90's
Everything in this show feels like a cutscene. From the dialogue to the acting.
The CGI made it look like they shot this scene in Google Earth
the CGI makes it look, like some unpaid intern did it.
this is laughable bad.
Wtf where does it look like that? Wtf
@@Xingmey Far from bad, buddy.
The P51 was almost a footnote in history. Wasn't until a royal air force test pilot suggested sticking a Merlin engine in it and then it became the best plane of the war
Best escort fighter definitely. Best plane of the war is open to debate and I say that as a Mustang fan with 45 minutes stick time in the real thing. The term "Best Fighter" has to be qualified. Best escort fighter in terms of range definitely, but other than it didn't out shine every other fighter in all respects at all. Was it a very good fighter, yes, but "the best" is a broad claim. Dogfighter? That title would have to go to the Spitfire which was better armed, (cannons beat MG's, even .50BMG) more agile and had a better rate of climb. Ground attack? The Typhoon wins that one with its 4 x 20mm cannons, 8 or even 16 x 60lb rockets and/or bombs. All rounder? That would probably be the Fw190. Most successful in terms of kills goes to the Bf109. Like I said, the term is open to debate.
dear God. you have no idea what an "extra tank" can do for mileage. do your homework you idiot.
You Brits would be speaking German.....
I'd argue that "Best plane of the war" would be the Mosquito. It excelled in so many roles.
@jacobclement8150 I would love to get more stick time but it’s a bit expensive. However my reasoning is based on facts not blind patriotism. You can break it down by nationality and amongst US fighters in the ETO, the P-47 would give the P-51 a good run for the title. Other than range and top speed the P-47 was better armed with 8 x .50s, and had a higher dive speed than any other fighter. It could take a lot more punishment than the P-51. In the ETO the second highest scoring outfit in the 8th USAAF was the 56th Fighter Group which stuck with the P-47 through out the war. (Technically it’s the top scoring group in the 8th as the top scoring group was the 354th which was a 9th USAAF group on attachment to the 8th)The top two USAAF aces in the ETO, Gabreski and Johnson, both flew with the 56th in P-47’s. As I said the term “best” is open to debate.
@@alanjm1234 Plus it used an abundance resource like wood and you just needed carpenters to build the airframe which the UK has an abundance of
those special effects when the bombs detonate are more like 2010
Thought the same thing, like wtf wtf?
Just like all Apple products, then.
They were worse than 2010. CGI was at it's hight in early and mid 2000s as far as realism blended into movies. There is an entire CZcams video talking about the decline in CGI
@@Ccarnage8 Pretty sure the CGI we have now has much more realism than 20 years ago. Just not this piece
@helloitsmehb nope you are wrong, cgi has downgraded alot since the 2010 days. Down to cost, like everything these days, cheap cheap and lots of profit.
To anyone who is wondering about it: this is NOT how aerial combat looked, looks or will ever look.
@@Ghostfacewutango 2 spankings
@@Ghostfacewutango Go back down into your mom's basement kid. You're just a POS keyboard commando.
@@Ghostfacewutango You need the spanking. He's right. It's common sense. And if you need to be told why, well that just indicates your lack of intelligence. Not someone else.
@@Ghostfacewutango3 spankings
you're right.
Why are there 675 fighters dogfighting at once in one square mile of sky?
About 40 German fighters engage and on that mission about 175 mustangs escorted. While 450 bomber we're heading for Berlin.
Honestly how fucking ballsy can you be to go head on with that shit. Insanity.
Also almost 600 planes right there
@@CasualClinkz fucking ballsy is right. I think all of those men had balls the size of cantelopes to go up every day on those runs. All of them... fighters, bombers, navigators. Im certain I wouldve been vomiting before every mission from the nerves. Just mere boys most of them. Im eternally grateful.
It's a cube mile
For the sake of the scene, in reality a bomber crewman might only see one or two fighters engaging around the formation and keep in mind the speeds at which these aircraft are flying, if they were more realistic the only thing you would see is a flash as a fighter went by a bomber which isn't very good for entertainment
Open a 5th grade level history book and you will find the answer.
Visual effect team consist of one guy called Jeff, who did the work for free in his mom's basement using his 10 year old desktop PC which could barely run CS:GO
Good work Jeff! Maybe not do it after an all nighter next time
That CGI makes it look like that one mission in COD WWII
What did you expect? For then to re-create these events with the thousands of B-17 that no longer exist? I’m happy we finally even got this series after over a decade of anticipation.
There appear to be more P51's than bombers, and far more enemy fighters than Germany could ever have mustered by that time. I'd also take issue with the huge streams of large bombs dropping out of the bays - reminds me of the endless quiver of arrows or gun-of-infinite-bullets in movies.
And planes they lost count of how many planes were in groups and formations.
The funny thing is that a b17 would drop 40 100 pounds bombs on a light industrial center like this one, so there's actually about 12 other bombs missing, the big inaccurate is how fast they are dropping them and that they are not following the lead navigators signal drop all together on the target, the big problem of the show is the plane never changes when by this point in the war the lead navigators plane would have a radar instead of a ball turret and all of the b17 would have had a chin turret installed, not to mention there are almost zero tactics in this fight for example the lead bomber would have one initial smoke bomb so the rest of the group could see the signal to drop bombs at this time all the other bombardiers in the group just toggled the release switch and didn't use the bomb sights
@@themojaveranger4574True. Another video showed in detail the loadouts for the planes for this specific mission, and they were indeed carrying 40 bombs each - 30 incendiaries and 10 general demolition.
B-17s dropping B-52 sized payloads. Sheesh.
Exactly !
You would be seeing shock wave rings in those explosions.
Correct.. which you'd expect to see from a series that is built around bombing
Damn, I was looking forward to this series. Considering "Band of Brothers," and "The Pacific," did really well I was hoping for the same. Yet, this one clip makes me rethink that. Even the closest in Mustangs would still be 1,000 feet above the bomber stream, not flying through the formation. The second he P-51's spotted enemy planes, they'd ditch the drop tanks, the P-51's started out in "Finger Four," formation but later changed to Line Abreast. This just hurts.
1:50 imagine living this moment..😮
That scene at 2:09 is like something from Battlestar Galactica. Why do CGI people always go way too far with air combat? The whole point is to make a scene seem real, not to show off CGI. After Band of Brothers this is disappointing. (Edited to tone down the language).
not even Battlestar Galactica more like a swarm of gnats on speed xD
Band of Brothers really didn't have to deal with battles of this scale since they focused in on small battles. These bomber missions are different with hundreds if not thousand plus aircraft.
Over critical ,12 year olds, yourre 13 i take it
@@phillipr61Well, on reflection you have a point. It was a knee-jerk reaction to some of the disappointing moments and was indeed overly critical. I will edit my original reponse and tone it down.
Señor no lo conozco pero estoy seguro que hubieron cientos o quizá miles de aviones volando en los cielos de Europa y Alemania cuando lanzaban bombas sobre objetivos, en el 2:09 estoy seguro que si sucedió, tal vez no tane exactamente como es pero estoy seguro que si hubo choques de aviones; me refiero a dogfither. Entonces el cgi lo hizo bien.
The cgi of the Mustangs at 0:08 looked like it was copied and pasted from a single cgi plane. So I froze one frame and yes it looked like it was.
lol, u r right
those mustangs look more like the Ki-61 Hien lol.
Idk, it looks good to me.
Memphis Belle will be the only WW2 movie with real B17s and fighters flying for a movie, everything since has been CGI, part of that is the cost of operation and insurance BS, the other half is you could never recreate a scene like this without CGI
Try "The War Lover" with McQueen and Wagner. Used B-17G's and combat footage.
Movie is not bad and some of the flying is pretty amazing flying including a field buzzing scene that'll blow your ming.
"12 O'clock High uses real B-17's also and was an Oscar winner.
And there are only like 2 B17s still flyable
@@brianelchlepp2245Buddy, when were those movies made? You missed the point entirely.
@@WBookout10I think perhaps you missed the point.
"Battle Of Britain" used real aircraft. But also some models. Still, excellent combat footage, far better than this.
POV me and the bois going in for our PPL checkride
The Mustangs would not be flying inside the formations. That would be committing suicide given the anxiety of the B-17 gunners.
2:09 This scene reminded me of a cartoon computer animation from the early 2000s. Why am I laughing so much?
The p 51 was the f22 of it's time
There is a widely unrealistic number of planes involved in this aerial battle.
Nope accurate look at stats and numbers
Open and read a 6th grade history book. . .
Some of those raids had 700 P-51s escorting the bombers. It was a wild west show for sure.
If this was early war maybe, but it's late-war so it definitely isn't
Great costumes and set design in the bomber but holy shit it looks like the intro to revenge of the sith lol
Awesome?
maybe some scene is unrealistic to others but i think they just want to show us how hundred of plane clashing in the air look like
My dad was a waist gunner on a B26, 9th AAC.
We’re all the P-51s on the same mission? And why on earth are they flying through the bomber formation?
This happened it's called close protection. It was ineffective but it was used. But mostly this was filmmakers choice to get the point across. And the 51 s had to keep pace with the bombers to not be in Berlin and back when they didn't even get there yet
@@CasualClinkz What a load of utter bollox. Escorts only flew top cover for their own protection from nervous and edgy bomber gunners. RAF Spitfires could only escort them to the coast at one point and they would flash their wings when approaching to indicate that they were friendlies.
@@haitolawrence5986 not only but ok. Every nation experimented with close protection and found out it was ineffective as I said. That's why I said filmmakers choice to fit the frame.
I suggest actually reading comments.
Also the British like you said couldn't even escort
warthunder needs to add this as a gamemode
They kinda did
The Operation Guardian Angel game mode was removed in 2019 unfortunatly
Nice video 👍🏻
2:08 Now THAT'S a furball!
2:09 WW2 Macross style.
2:09 I’m sorry but is just a little chaotic to be realistic
2:36 that shot brings back memories of battlefield 1942
Band of Brother’s success is due to its reasonable scale. In budget, timeline, characters and story it’s all much easier than Pacific or Masters of the Air. You can properly tell the story of easy company in 10, one hour episodes. You can’t tell “With the Old Breed”, “A helmet for my Pillow”, and “I’m staying with my boys” in that same scope. You can’t tell the story of the bloody hundredth in a few episodes. A mini series is a great tool to follow a couple dozen people over a story spanning a year or so. Not hundreds of people over nearly 5 years.
I new a couple of men who survived the air war over Europe in B 17s. One was a ball turret gunner. They said the B 17 could take a lot of punishment and keep flying.
I knew an older gentleman whose dad was in the air war and he had a picture of him standing on the side of his B17 raising his arms and legs spread out like a star where a piece of flak blew it to shit that he had to ride back in. Crazy
Goering knew the war was lost when he found out the p 51 had enough fuel to escort their bombers for the whole mission
There probably weren't that so many that you could bump into each other. Thats a whole air fleet of P51 in one bombing run.
The Fw-190 was just as good as the P-51
Every plane has strenghts and weaknesses, that said, the us pilots were better and also better quality fuel
@@phillipr61 In the list of Top 100 ww2 pilots, all of them are German...
@@generalposlijebitke6688Those list don’t matter, both sides had different policies in regard to veteran pilots. The Western Allies retired veteran pilots to use them to train, the germans kept them on the frontline. By 1944 when the Mustang was introduced german pilot quality had significantly degraded and were far below allied pilot quality
@@toxicfireball2690 Sure, they were outnumbered from the start of the war...
@@generalposlijebitke6688hellcat pilots:
what Movie Tilte?
the amount of air to air collision...
That’s one hell of a dog fight over Berlin damn
B-52 Mustang wasn't the go-to fighter plain. Germans had rocket planes. Messerschmitt Me 262
Amazing scene. Imagine the feeling of those in the B-17s who survived 1943 finally getting fighter escorts the whole way to their targets and back. The first half of 1944, the mustangs took out so many German aircraft in the skies and parked at Airfields, thousands of them, that the Luftwaffe was unable to provide any arial defense in France during D-day. All they could provide was defense of Germany going forward.
Hermann Goring: "When I saw Mustangs over Berlin, I knew the jig was up."
Wow, so many YT certified WW2 experts over here 😂
Well, of course. The greatest generation is all but gone. All that's left are the stories and the ones who read them.
They were there, man... You just don't get it
I was there, 3,000 years ago!
Welp, you can see plenty of gun camera and war camera man footage of exactly what this show was trying to recreate. They did a really, really bad job.
The P-51 was the best fighter plane of the war according to the Americans.
The Spitfire was 100% superior in a dog fight. Just not over Berlin.
P-39 had more kills (in the Soviet Air Force); the F6F had a higher kill ratio; the P-38 had better maneuverability, firepower, and twin engine redundancy; the P-47 was tougher, the Tempest was fastest Allied fighter of the war, and the Hurricane was the only reason there was a winnable war in the first place.
what year is this supposed to be?
My great grandfather said in his opinion it's the zero that is better than mustang, but upon thinking carefully he said mustang is easier (low skill ceiling) zero is harder(high skill ceiling) but high risk high reward, he wouldn't recommend zeros to any new pilots, but the mustang is beginner friendly, he's an F4U pilot btw
The f**kin Annabelle at @0:21
Haven't seen the whole thing, but CGI as of 2024 seems to rely on overcast, twilight or glare and dirty windows. Scott's Napoleon had similar low light or visual impairment. Also there seem to be too many aircraft in one place. It looks dramatic, but the fighters would be more spread out. The bomber crews felt that they were being used as bait because the P-51s were freed from close escort of the bombers and turned loose to hunt Luftwaffe fighters.
Not low light it's daytime. But you're right with the escorts. Tho the fighters would have to keep pace with the bombers so for some of the time.they were in fact close by. Also some of this is filmmakers choice to get the point across since most people don't know shit about this
Hazy light to mask the CGI limitations (instead of low light). @@CasualClinkz
@@johnmurphy7953 all of your points are artistic choices like depth and visual differences. cgi is only limited by the amount of work put into it.
To be fair to the "Masters", they had to create an entire air force and keep it in motion during the battle scenes. With "Battle of Britain", some surviving aircraft and remote control models were the options used. Surviving aircraft are now almost non-existent. I'm sure CGI will get even better as it progresses. @@CasualClinkz
i thought it was a videogame LMAO
So apparently, 250 Million Dollars gets you *checks notes* 2008 Video game CGI
I've seen those planes takeoff, they vibrate nonstop and are stupid loud. This crew would be screaming at each other. None of this is as peaceful as they're making it look
Memphis Belle still the best movie about the B-17 bomber.
Мустанг так то самолёт супер красавчик , особенно в истории .
I always thought this . . how many planes were hit by friendly fire?
There's the red tails escuadron? P51. 😮🎉🎉🎉
For anyone even thinking of saying "That's too many bombs dropping...etc": czcams.com/video/-0Hr7W_B4oc/video.html
Thank you for that. It explained a lot.
This should be top comment,
F-4u Corsair was. The Army flew it against the P-51 in test combat and it kicked the P-51's butt. Could out-turn, out-speed and out-climb the P-51, But it the writing was on the wall for Germany so the USAAF continued with the P-51.
Why the dogfights’ too fast? This isn’t very accurate imo
Взрывы конечно впечатляют!!!
Good series BUT not one real B17 used for filming
This series was awesome.
The bombs making impact could be the worst cgi in a TV show I've ever seen
WOW….. I had never actually noticed the “bad CGI” in some of the other clips until this one. That is absurd. I have BofB and the Pacific, but I don’t even think I’ll seek this out to watch it. Talk about a suspension of disbelief killer. The P51s at the beginning look like a repeating rolling screed superimposed over the film it’s so bad. I’d expect that from a rotating lamp shade to keep kids entertained at night.
『バンド・オブ・ブラザース』から『ザッパシフィック』の流れ的に、次はB29の話かな？
P-51 best airplane of the....
They sure did show Erkner who is boss.
The CGI used is also from WW1 era
This is how Western mankind was ruined. This was awful that war.
i thought this was video game
Target Berlin
Berlin, the capital of Germany, was selected as a prime target for the AAF, not only for its industrial importance, but because it was believed the Luftwaffe would react in force to defend it, suffering heavy losses in the process. The first attack was made on March 4, 1944, but only 29 bombers reached target because of weather.
Two days later, 660 AAF heavy bombers reached Berlin in the face of tremendous opposition; 69 bombers and 11 escorting fighters were lost -- the AAF claimed 179 German planes destroyed. The AAF returned on March 8 and 462 bombers, escorted by 174 P-51s over the target, bombed the Erkner bearing factory; again, the Luftwaffe lost heavily.
National Museum of the USAF
Сколько бы сшататы не рисовали и не снимали фильмов, победу в этой войне одержал советский человек! Спасибо все, кто отдал свои жизни, здоровье и пот для этой победы!
А американским и британским политикам, с их двуличными планами, стоило открыть второй фронт раньше!
Но мы то знаем, чего запад хотел на самом деле! Чёртовы переписчики истории!
Слова Советскому Народу Освободителю!!! Смерть фашистам и нацистам!
Они так-то с фашистами воевали с 39 года еще на разных фронтах, когда сталин с ними были ближайшими союзничками и чуть ли не в десны целовался.
Лечись, если бы не помощь от США в виде ленд-лиза то ссср прекратил бы своё существование ещё бы в 1943 году, чего только стоят операции союзников в Африке, западной Европе и освобождение Италии, битвы в тихом океане. Пока ссср еле еле воевал отправляя мясо на убой с заградительными отрядами.
Never have so many rivets been counted so often by so few
I hear ya but understandable, MOA graphics look like 20yr old video game, considering hype/wait/producers I expected more. Still, as a B-17 and 8th AAF fan I like it... 😊👍
That's not CGI. THose are PNGs.
Seems like alot of p 51 flying around,
Its a bit of a bold claim to state that the P-51 was the greatest fighter of the war, given that it didn't work until the British redesigned the airframe and fitted it with a Rolls Royce Merlin.
The fact that it was improved with the merlin has nothing to do with anything. Was the mustang with the merlin the best fighter because of what it had? Thats the debate. The mustangs original issue was it wasn't very good at altitude, flew well at lower altitudes.Thats what drove the decision to try the merlin. Fun fact. My uncle received the medal of valor as a 51 mechanic because he was able to keep that british engine running for 70 straight missions.His pilot put him in for the award. Typical British engine, takes a great american mechanic to keep it running. They had a lot of mechanical aborts.
@@bryanturner683 Well it couldn't do its job before its overhaul, which doesn't sound like a quality of the best fighter of the war. Also, it takes an American mechanic to keep it running? What?
@@mrsusan5672 Thats just absurd? Lots of fighters had their designs including engines modified. As to the mech thing, I have the daily log info for the 363rd fighter group, activated march of 44 till end of august when they converted to Tatical recon. I haven't crushed the numbers but they had an about 15% abort rate. My Dad and uncle were twins and worked together keeping their plane flying. It was a big deal for a plane to go 70 missions in a row without an abort. He actually did receive the medal for keeping the plane flying. So, typical British engine, needs a lot of TLC.
Locks like Star Wars not like WWII. Or was WWiI earlier?
War Thunder Experience
Although watchable its not a patch on BOB
its like watching anime but... is it better or worse...?
Where heck they carry that many bombs? The bomb bay isn't that large.
They actually carried more than is shown in these clips. For this mission they were armed with 30 100 pound incendiary bombs and 10 100 pound general purpose bombs, the scenes shows somewhere around 25-30 from each bomber.
Those are NOT 100-pounders nor are the monster explosions below how incendiaries behave. Very, VERY Hollywood bordering on disrespect for the subject matter.
Yeah I was super sad, waited 14 years for this since they first announced it after the Pacific, no real story line, didn’t allow us to get to know the people, quality of picture, battle scenes and it all felt extremely rushed and put together to get it released. It did not in any way follow the quality and time put into band of brothers and the pacific maybe because it was moved from HBO to Appletv. I was really disappointed and sad this could have been so much more than was given.
僕のイメージでは、P-51DがB-17編隊をエスコートし出したのは、銀翼のB-17Gの頃だと思ってたけど、本当に動画の様にF型の時に達成できてたのかな？確か最初は、P-38やP-47が全航程は、無理でも大半をエスコト出来てた様な？F型の頃は、フランス海岸線辺りまでスピットファイアーがエスコートしてたイメージです。
No one can doubt the bravery and sacrifice of these airmen in the war. I grew up in the 1950s and must have built a plastic or balsa model of 20 different types of WW2 airplanes.
But:
It is well known that the strategic bombing of Europe was a waste of lives and treasure. It accomplished virtually nothing to shorten the war. Hitler's armnamen minister, Albert Speer said so in his memoirs and the U.S. Strategic Bombing Survery after the war agreed. If you think about the little damage done to London by German bombesr or from the buzz-bombs and V2s the message is the same. Winning a war takes "boots on the ground" and control of natural resources. All that the bombing does is make people angry. Ask the Ukranians.
Yes because Albert Speer definitely did not have a bias of his own and definitely did not just make stuff up to make the allies in the bad light. Whether you like it or not strategic airstrikes heavily impacted the war. Factories, oil rigs and bridges being destroyed will severely hurt the military capability of the enemy. Bombs can easily be manufactured, while destroyed roads and other infrastructures takes a significant time and resources for the enemy slowing them down even further. Aerial supremacy is still an integral part of every military in the world. Boots in the ground is why the eastern front was bloody and aerial supremacy is why the western allies have significantly lower casualties than the soviets
Heading 253 with a slight left turn to get to target? Did they approach Berlin from the south?
Did not watch the series yet. Which run is this supposed to be?
Ok so it shows the Erkner raid on 8th of March. Actually not that easy to find concrete infos. I guess they were operating from italy?
Thorpe abbots, England
Heading 253° is heading SW, planes would be NE of target. Still, one would think planes would approach from West, maybe diff route to avoid fighters/flak.. 🤔👍
"P-51, hands down the best fighter of the war."
Well... no. But, like the Geo Metro, it got really good gas mileage.
That's a lot of bad CGI
The dogfight scene is just so stupid. All those planes in one area, flying that fast, there would be planes crashing into one another, friendly fire like you wouldn’t believe, and such chaos that both sides would take too many casualties to do any good. It’s like the end scene in episode 9 of Star Wars where the entire galaxy goes to the alliances rescue. Sometimes a little goes a long way.
spitfires and Yakolev -9 , Focker Wulf FW190 were the best fighters in WW2
Not gonna get into an argument over ratings, but it's "Focke" and not "Focker" -- You may be thinking of Fokker, whose aircraft were made famous mostly in the *previous* war to end all wars...
Can you comment on the Dresden fire bombing? 600k civilians were murdered by the "allies"
Out of all the (many) inaccuracies depicted in this clip, none of them infuriates me more than the line "The P-51 Mustang was the best (US) fighter plane of the war." No, it wasn't. The P-38 Lightning had the highest kill ratio of any US aircraft in WW2, the highest number of kills, the first US fighter aircraft to shoot down a German aircraft, used to shoot down Admiral Yamamoto's personal aircraft on April 18, 1943. I can go on and on about this aircraft, my favorite of the second world war.
Interesting perspective. But I believe that line was spoken by a character? If so, consider that to US bomber crews the Mustang was akin to sliced bread, mainly because it could stick with them all the way to the target and back. Bomber crews, weren't particularly interested in, or privy of, kill numbers, or what was happening in the Pacific, but rather in the escort fighter they could SEE protecting them over Berlin, for example. Speak to a person from England, and the Spitfire is the end-all be all, because that's what defended their loved ones during the Battle of Britain. Us here in 2024 might have slightly more objective view, and perhaps more access to historical records.
@@LuisSoto-ho5fw He said it as a "matter fact" rather than opinion. And the P-38 had a longer range (2500 miles with external fuel tanks) than a P-51 (1650 miles with external fuel tanks).
@@EvilLordBane He said "Hands down, the best figther plane of the war." What we perceive as "facts" is often colored by the experience of the moment - and the narrator presenting that as a fact is well within character. My point is that to HIM, and to most B-17 crew at the time - that statement (however inaccurate, perhaps) would've been a statement of fact - Navigator Harry Crosby in 1944 may not have known - nor cared, I'd bet - about the actual range figures. For someone who've been through mission after mission of being nearly decimated by the Luftwaffe, and now has friendly escort all the way to Berlin...the P-51 must have seem forged by angels.
I read the comments first and yea, it just got worse as it went on
2;10 seriously....
Things look so CGI. Jurassic Park, decades ago, didn't feel as artificial as this. Have my expectations change, or CGI have gotten worse?
Что за фильм?
Masters of the air.
The Mustang was certainly the best escort fighter, i.e. able to first fly 400 miles and still have enough fuel to dog fight and get back home. However, and staying in Europe, once engaged in a dog fight, the FW190 and the Spitfire Mark9 and beyond were superior. The Spitfire Mark14, was the best pure dogfighter of WW2.
The thing about the Mustang was: While there was always some other aircraft that could beat it in any particular area, it did it all almost as good as any of them, close enough that often the pilot/tactics made up the difference - plus it did it all with those long legs. In other words, the best dogfighter, best ground attack fighter, best interceptor, "best-whatever-other-category-you-can-think-of" may have been another aircraft, but the P-51 could be a close second in all categories, but with enormous range - that made it the best all-around fighter.
@@LuisSoto-ho5fw Good enough and the legs to get there? Sure. But that is not always the argument. The biggest variable with the Mustang is that by 1944, most of the Luftwaffe was made up of green and undertrained pilots, and that made a big difference. Nonetheless, one on one, at 10,000 feet, full tanks, the Spitfire Mark 14 (and a couple of later Marks) would be the favorite against any other plane. Note: I say this even though my old man flew Mustangs in the late 1940s before transferring to jets. He loved the plane.
"our chances of defeating the luftwaffe were increased..." buddy the luftwaffe was defeated long before you got there. Bled themselves white in the Battle of Britain and were decimated on the Eastern Front.
Unless those are 100 lb bombs this is inaccurate in order to make it to Berlin and back the B17 had to replace 1/2 of it's bombs with extra fuel and even a full load was not 20 1,000 Lb bombs max load was 8,000 Lb's and 4,000 to Berlin remember the B17 was a pre war design
Pretty soon the overuse of CGI will create more and more inaccurate depictions of these planes.
As did the movie "Midway" that starred Woody Harrelson as Admiral Nimitz for God's sake.