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The Dark Side of Nursery Rhymes
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- čas přidán 18. 02. 2021
- Lurking beneath the seemingly playful and innocent lyrics of nursery rhymes lie dark and disturbing origins. Rhymes that are believed to be about the Plague (Ring-a-Roses), slavery (Baa-Baa Black Sheep), and in one instance, burying people alive (London Bridge).
But do these unsettling backstories actually have any historical truth to them? Or are they simply urban legends meant to frighten and entertain? In this video, let’s explore the gruesome and grim origins of beloved children’s songs, and separate the fact from the folklore as we delve into dark side of nursery rhymes.
This video only covers three of the most popular songs, but there are plenty of other nursery rhymes with dark origins. Fairytales too. Let me know what you'd like to see down below and I might revisit this topic.
Thank you all for 222k subscribers :)
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Intro - Epic of Gilgamesh in Sumerian by Peter Pringle
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Baa Baa Black Sheep by Stockwaves - Royalty Free
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London Bridge by Stockwaves Royalty Free
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Ring-a-Roses - Royalty Free
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Is This the Way it Ends? by CO.AG Music
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Ring-a-Rosey. Lomax, John Avery, Ruby T Lomax, and Unidentified Children. Ring round rosey Guess who she told me. Burkeville, Texas, 1939.
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Sources & Further Reading:
The Oxford Dictionary of Nursery Rhymes . Edited by Iona and Peter Opie. Oxford University Press. 1997 Edition.
Nursery Rhyme - Wiki
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What Is the Real Meaning Behind ‘Baa, Baa, Black Sheep’?www.sporcle.co...
“London Bridge is Falling Down”: Kids Nursery Rhyme Possibly Has a Sinister Meaning
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Ring Around the Rosie: Metafolklore, Rhyme and Reason. By Stephen Winick
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Subverted Innocence
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#nurseryrhymes #dark #creepy
Imagine a world centuries into the future where people think ‘baby shark’ is about the extinction of sharks…
even more likely they find out that they caused it
@@glasshorse6893 mostly the Chinese
@@blueberryboy1167 eh, a lot of the world is guilty of this
@@blueberryboy1167 huh????
@@scintillately8643 well china hunts and eats anything that moves, sharks are no expectation
You should definitely cover how the western/Disney fairytales are extremely different to the original Grimms Tales, as well as their dark origins
It's been done.
@@annab3184 At this point everything has been done.
He should. There are videos covering these topics around youtube but his would be unique.
The Grimm versions weren't originals. But that would still be cool.
Grimms fairy tales, at least the unexpurgated versions and Perrault’s unexpurgated Mother Goose tales are very bloodthirsty and violent, so it would be an interesting comparison
There’s a good rhyme about the Spanish flu:
“I had a little bird
Her name was Enza.
I opened up the window,
And in flew Enza”
Your surname suits you
Well that’s boring
Hey, I love it.... we got a NURSEY RHYME for Covid-19...lol🤧😷
@@jet5995 Bro?📸🤨
In flew enza - Influenza that's pretty good yet dark
Love how he intentionally used disturbing recordings of these nursery rhymes lol
I think he flashes an image of Satan at 1:10 just for gratuitous creep-out value
AI voices are sometimes quite good at hitting that uncanny valley
@@TravisJones812 that’s Baphomet not Satan
It sounds like auto tune 😂
Uhm it's exactly the same as the ones you play to children? Tempo, tone, lyrics, everything.
For ring around the rosie. I grew up hearing it as : Ring around the rosie, Pocket full of posies, ashes ashes, we all fall down.
Plague Inc. version of this is unnerving
Same
As did I. Maybe the one in the video is more common in the UK or something.
Same. I’ve never heard the other version.
We Indians have botched it more than anyone can.
I always heard the “Pocket full of posies” song with
“Ashes, Ashes
We all fall down!”
I was told it was from the plague and they said ashes because they burned the bodies because they thought the plague could still be transferred through a dead body. 🤷♂️
This is what I've always heard, too.
That's the one for me too
Yep. That version is more common in the states, and it's an easy misunderstanding from "a-tissue", because who pronounces sneezes like that?
Ive heard that version too! I thought it was the original?
@@41-Haiku 'Atishoo'...'ah-choo'. It's not a difficult connection to make.
The 'ring o' roses' was the buboes, 'pocket full of posies' was the perfumed packages people would carry and sniff in the belief the sweet aroma would prevent them contracting the disease, 'atishoo, atishoo' comes from the carrying and taking of snuff which makes you sneeze and 'we all fall down' is the death.
I remember as a kid when we'd sing "London Bridge is Falling Down" I always thought in the back of my head: "Why are we singing about a bridge being destroyed?"
Back then, I thought it meant the German Airforce bombing London in WW2.
As an Asian kid I didn't even think about nursery rhymes and always plays it with my daycare friends when I was 5
I remember it being "ashes" instead of a sneeze when I was younger
Same
same , I was looking for this comment to make sure it wasn't the only one that remembered it that way
And I was told when I was in school people would carry posies (sweet smelling flowers) in their pockets as they believed it was some sort of protection from the plauge. (Back then I believe they thought the spread of the plauge and illness in general was to do with smells.)
I remember it being atishoo when I was very young, but then I was later taught in school that it was originally ashes, and they told us it was about the black death in London
same
At night, listening to these songs is way scarier than listening to something brutal or dark.
i sweaarrrrr
So trueeeee
Bro thats what im doing rn
Just like happens in horror movies 🤣
That's why I turned down the volume before clicking this ... The pictures alone gave me scary chills boi wtf ....
if we’re being honest why tf is London Bridge a nursery rhyme. literally about a giant bridge collapsing and probably killing tons of people
I always thought Edward II mother was given the London Bridge Tax but failed to use the money to repair the bridge.Hence Edward taking it from her.
listen when i was in KG (kindergarten) they taught me london bridge, and they even added the lyrics take the keys and lock her up, and i use to be like why would we lock who up?!?!?! WHAT THE HELL!!!
Original rhymes were meant to teach children life lessons in a more political correct way....ironic isn't it.
Cos it's got a bangin tune that's why
That song taught me that lyrics in a song didn't matter that much and that I have dark humor 😆
"Are you a witch?
Are you a fairy?
Are you the wife, of Michael Clary?"
This one is about Bridget Clary, a woman who was killed by her husband Michael with the help of family members (including Bridget's father) because they believed she was kidnapped and replaced by a changeling. Weirdly, she is usually refered as "the last witch in Ireland to the burned".
An yes he thought she was a changeling
Maybe she was 🤷🏾♀️
What's a changeling?
❤️
The wild part about that one is it happened in 1895. WW1 was just around the corner. The world was in the middle of the Industrial Revolution. Meanwhile in Ireland, this.
The version of "Ring Around the Roses" I learned growing up in Oklahoma was "Ring around the Roses,
a pocket full of posies,
ashes, ashes,
We all fall down".
I read it to be a reference to death and graveyards. A wreath of roses and "posies", which just means a bouquet of various flowers, to be laid on a grave, perhaps. The ashes of a cremation for the next part. "We all fall down" perhaps an allusion to the fact that everyone dies. Not the most uplifting, but an acknowledgment of something many people try to ignore now days, at least around here.
It was about the black death. Posies because of their strong sweet smell, because they were proponents of the miasma theory wherein bad stenches carry illness, which was not true, but they filled the plauge doctor masks with herbs and flowers to keep the illness away. Ashes because the dead got burned in fear of them contracting it from corpses. I also learned the ashes ashes version.
That is the version i know, and this the most likely explaination
The most disturbing part about the baba black sheep story is that it got changed to *baba rainbow sheep*
😂😂😂😂😂😂
@Chintu Chintu omgggg tff really?😂😂😂
@Chintu Chintu lol you tricked me hahhaha
Is it true 😂
@Chintu Chintu the rhyme seems homophobic now....
In the future, "This is America" is going to be a nursery rhyme.
Nursery:Showing how great America and how good the people is
Reality:THIS IS AMERICA PEW
DON'T CATCH YOU SLIPPIN OH
Imagine some random kids just singing "THIS IS AMERICA (WOO) DONT CATCH YA SLIPPIN NOW, DONT CATCH YOU SLIPPIN NOW POLICE BE TRIPPING NOW"
Jesus is coming Rapture iminent Repent of your sins pray to JESUS for forgiveness all the prophecies in Revelation are being fulfilled the world's about to end... get right with Jesus and don't take the mark of the beast or you won't make it to heaven but anyone who takes the mark of the beast will be cast into the lake of fire prepared for Satan and his demons... don't take the vaxxine it has miniature RFID nanobots don't take r -fid chip or anything else that corrupts your DNA it's the mark of the beast PS don't let them stick anything up your nose or test you because that's how they infect you also to destroy your DNA ...trust in JESUS JESUS is coming....
repent to Jesus pray to Jesus ask him to forgive you for your sins and come into your heart and to fill you with his Holy Spirit and to make you ready for the rapture to prepare you to meet JESUS ask Jesus to make you a born again Christian Jesus died on the cross and rose again on the third day to pay for our sins so that if we believe in Jesus and follow Jesus and become born again Christian we can go to heaven with Jesus and escape from going to hell thank you Jesus amen 🙏 share Jesus saves from going to Hell and that Jesus is the only way to Heaven with all
.....
i donno abt tht but i might
2:17 "My mill grinds pepper and spice. Your mill grinds rats and mice"
Damn. That's a premium, vintage burn.
Not to mention that spices were expensive back then, so it's an old version of showing off your supreme hoodie and Lamborghini.
@Tom Foster Goddamn, Lizzie sounds like a total chad.
ye olde Mickey Avalon
What color is your spice? 😂
Vanegood did a vid on it called “medieval diss track” search it up
No one talking about his voice is so smooth tho.
Ikr-
But the singing voice is scary
@@debbiesteel2633 is it????
@@hanadhishariff is what what??
@@debbiesteel2633 you said his voice was scary
Next time i be seeing a kid singing such nursery rhymes
*YO WANNA HEAR SOMETHING FUNNY ABOUT THAT RHYME?*
Lmao u savage
To be fair practically most of them are nonsensical and humourously innocent in their origins, it's just that modern folklorist would try to find reason, a sense of order or even macabre intrigue to account for these silly rhymes when there's nothing there to begin with.
😂🤣
I did that to my friends, and now they kinda hate me lmao 🤣
@@inisipisTV not really. I live in West Bengal and even our nursery rhymes have these dark connotations pertaining to wars or famines. Not a coincidence, when it occurs across different unconnected cultures
I was always taught that it was:
Ring around the Rosies a pocket full of posies ashes, ashes, we all fall down.
Same
Me 2
same
SAME
Same here
I remember as a kid it went like
“Ring around the roses
Pockets full of poses
Ashes ashes ashes
We all fall down”
@lv mvri what’s up
in school people say " Ring around the roses, pockets full of posies, Ashes Ashes, we all fall down." Scary
Nursery rhymes: dark
Childhood: ruined
Me: traumatized
Hotel: trivago
(P.s. this isn't a hate comment)
Awww... dont be sad
@@ferdychanani.lov.1864 ok😢
Is that you on your pfp? So pretty
@@lattefelixx4155 yes it is me...thank you so much!!
I'm shaking guys
Can't wait for Cocomelon to make their own original nursery rhyme about CoVid 19...
Lol
I like cocomelon.. the kids at my playschool love it..
whats that?
@@mau2759 it’s a nursery rhyme channel that my niece watches
@@SistaKhandie !!!!! Ok thanks 😅
in my opinion, the popular version of "ring around the rosie" sounds like an allergy. not as scary as an epidemic, but still dangerous. it sounds like theyre describing circular skin rashes and sneezing, followed by death.
Sad that people can’t tell the difference between Cold, flu, allergies, Covid, fever, and etc.
Some things you didn't mention: (Of which you may or may not be aware.) When I was a child (I am 65) we sang several verses of London Bridge which included: "Here is the hatchet to chop off her head." and "Here is the bucket to dip out the blood." There are several other verses along these lines which tell of the unfortunate fate of "My Fair Lady." I always assumed the song was about the political execution of some royal lady. Also, as a child I learned that people carried rose petals in their pockets to ward of the plague. Instead of sneezing we sang "ashes, ashes" which is supposedly a reference to burning the bodies of the deceased. Love your videos. keep them coming.
I live in India, for me it has always been:
"Ringa-ringa roses
pocket full of poses
Hai-sha hui-sha
we all fall down!"
xD
that's actually really cute
Saaaame from Kenya
This is so cute ❤️
Same .from india
Hahahhahaha cute😂
No one:
Me:
*Sings every nursery rhyme they put on*
Same lol
😂😂
Imao same😂😂
Sameee
same but I sang it crepply to keep up with this videos vibe 😂✌🏼
Our version was
“Ring around the rosy,
Pockets full of posies,
Ashes, ashes,
We all fall down”
Far creepier with the whole ashes thing, Idk how we ended up with that translation. I’d never heard the other iterations before
In Greece we also have a song called Της Αρτας το Γυοφυρι (Tis Artas To Giofiri) its about a bridge getting destroyed and rebuild over and over again until the constructors burry the master constructors wife inside the foundation of the bridge
I live in America and I always hear it as:
Ring around the Rosie,
Pockets full of posies,
Ashes,Ashes
We all fall down.
I live in a country but yeah I hard that too....
Strange
that matches up, especially the third line (that happens to be the only line which is different in the version given in the theory) with this theory I found:
Ring around the rosie"/black death real origin:
Ring around the rosie is talking about the large, infected welts that grew on the skin of the sick. These welts looked like roses when the skin peeled, and a black ring blood clot would form around the pustule. Thus: ring around the rosie.
Pockets full of posies: I'm not certain of this, as I've never smelled a posie before, but people would fill the pockets of the dead victims with posies, both as a sort of quick funeral and as a method to keep the bodies from stinking. People may have also worn these posies in their pockets to help distract from the stench of the bodies.
A'tishoo/ ashes, we all fall down: I've never heard a'tishoo, but it was explained to me by a historian. Bodies of the dead would be burned in great piles if they weren't just abandoned in the streets. The ashes would fly around in the air and settle all over the place, which explains the sneezing. We all fall down is the darkest line in the poem, as it is quite blunt in saying that everyone will die, and everyone will fall like the ashes
Okay I was raised to say ashes too...
@@lucticide Same with the ashes. FYI, the plague doctors would put specific bundles of herbs in their masks, that were supposed to prevent plague "humours" from getting in. A posie isn't a flower, it's a generic term for any small bouquet, whether it's worn on your lapel as a boutonniere, picked in the field by a small child, or a bundle of lavender in a lady's sachet.
I grew up in 3 countries, and yours is the only way I know it, too. I've never ever ever in 40 years heard the version(s) they use in this, in England, Scotland, or Canada.
"if you love him bug him
If you hate him,stomp"sounds like a break-up song
Good job Texas
thanks Texas
That's nice- BAHAHAHA
Hahahaahah
I imagined that Mr. Red crushes the people who don't love him but hugs people who love him
...
One of my fave nursery rhymes(let's see if i remember it):
Monday's child is fair of face
Tuesday's child is full of grace
Wednesday's child is full of woe
Thursday's child has far to go
Friday's child is loving and giving
Saturday's child works hard for a living
And the child born on Sunday
Is bonny and blithe and good and gay(happy)
@forgetful stranger I've also seen the line for Sunday written as, 'and the child who is born on the Sabbath day...' I was born on a Wednesday lol.
Reminds me of the line in The Beatles’ “Lady Madonna” “Monday’s child had learned to tie his bootlace… see how they run”
Given that they were English and that song already referenced the three blind mice nursery rhyme I wonder if they were influenced by that. Very interesting
@@parsleyrose7778 I've always assumed that was the reference, but it's just a guess.
Fun fact: that rhyme was how Wednesday Addams got her name.
Guess these can be compared to the planets too... 😳
I once went on a "haunted tour" in Yorkshire, and the tour guide told us that the Ring around the Rosie is a reference to ringworms that would appear on the skin of the sick. Make of that whatever you will - just thought you should know!
This channel deserves a lot of attention. This is like a VSauce on obscurity, but this channel still feels unique and in a world of its own
Agree!!
Yepp
True true I get what you mean
For ring around the roses song there is a version saying. “Ring around the roses a pocket full of posies, ashes ashes we all fall down.” It’s recorded that people would put flowers in the pockets of the dead so they didn’t smell bad. They would also burn the dead bodies giving why they did this. Ring around Rosie’s referenced to where rings would be around the bumps you would get. Ashes ashes refers to when they would burn the bodies. We all fall down actually meant how fast people were dying, or how fast you would die after getting the bubonic plague.
Posies are flowers the doctors used herbs mints and flowers so maybe
Ye i remember this version very clearly.
I was going to say this is their version and origin of the story I was familiar with
This actually sounds pretty plausible
Yeah, with the line "ring around rosie" referring to the mark around the bubbles that appear on the skin
And that's how you know not every rhythm is innocent as it sounds.
I was always taught it was a simple way of imparting history to kids.
London bridge: *keeps getting destroyed*
The builders: *u gotta be fking shtting me*
PLSSS💀💀
Yes but at least the wheels on bus go 'round and 'round
dont ruin the 169 likes
@@vyl4650 everybody who went inside the bus:
LET ME OUT OF HERE HELP MEEEEEEEE IM STUCK IN THIS LOOPING ROAD AND UNSTOPPABLE BUS, HOW MUCH GAS DOES THIS BUS HAVE?!??
also this london bridge is very underrated 😂
In the nursery rhyme “baby shark” we are fooled by the upbeat rhythm, into forgetting that first the victim is devoured by the baby shark, then the mommy shark, then the daddy shark.
Older, much longer videos even included extended family members taking turns prolonging the agony of the still-living poor soul. their beating heart the only sound that can be heard in a desperate and panicked tut-tut-tututut.
Omfg😫
People in 22nd century be like
why must you do this to me
oh yes. I remember that in Cub/Boy Scouts. XD
*WHY OF COURSE* 😂
Not only are you good at your research and scripting of your videos but your cinematic properties are incredible. The subtle build up to the end of this vid plays as an anilogue horror and it takes the view off guard knowing it happening to them. Incredible work! Love your channel
Keep bring this to light. It is very interesting as I’ve often questioned the meaning and origins of these rhymes I sang as a child
An Indian version of the poem that I am used to read:
Ring a ring a roses
Pocket full of poses
Hasha busha
All fall down
OMG yess! 🤣🤣
Skskksk I was just about to say the same. I'm Pakistani and I've always been hearing hisha husha we all fall down
So true ..We all use to sing it like that 🤣🤣🤣
😂 it's our way
I was looking was this..lol😂😂
The actual lyrics of Baa Baa Black Sheep were “Two for the master and one for the dame, and none for the little boy who cries down the lane.” Which could be how people had to give so much wool to the government, they had little to none to keep for themselves, but that is just my hypothesis, with very little evidence, so take of that what you will.
Sadly A lot of people wanted it to be about race😥
The image at 2:06 would seem to disagree with your version of the lyrics if it is a depiction of the actual book it's describing.
Yes, it was about taxes!
Messed up origins does a great video on it and gives some good evidence for it
Or simply that the master and the dame had money to pay for the wool so they get a bag each, while the average child even if he/she is crying due to cold or hunger gets none. They're too poor to pay for it.
I love folklore stuff like this. Ive never heard of any of the ring around the rosie variants before. Super interesting. The one I grew up with was:
Ring around the rosie
A pocket full of posies
Ashes to ashes
We all fall down
"Rock-a-bye baby in the treetop" is a confusing lullaby, for sure. The nursery rhyme that boggled me most as a child, however, was "Sing a song of sixpence, a pocket full of rye", particularly the tasks undertaken by the king and queen and the gruesome disfigurement of the maid in the second verse.
Every other nation : we will hide dark tones in childrens rhymnes
Germany : ah yes lets write books about vore amputation poisoning and sacrifice just what children need
Bruh European songs or lullabies legit don't sugar coat anything.
@@localcrackhead4038 ikr
WHAT!?
ach ja max und moritz und der struwwelpeter
Which books do you mean?
heck yeah new hochelaga vid. I'm commenting for the algorithm. I am engaged and interested in this creator, Mr youtube
Love this positivity
Lol
Engagement! Much excite!
Me too
I too would like to let the algorithm know this guy makes good content. 😁
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“My mill grinds pepper and spice, your mill grinds rats and mice.”
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~ English teachers explaining the simple poems like this ~
The Poets : Who tf said you I meant that
Spot on. See Robert Frost's "Road Not Taken"--most people believe it's something profound, but Frost wrote it as a joke. He was satirizing one of his friends who couldn't make up his mind over even the most trivial things.
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@@rosemorris7912 9th grade CBSE English I see
Maybe they expressed this way bcuz their media forbade honest expression - oh (and most are English origin)
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Its quit creepy to the fact that we're probably listening to ppl who are dead
whenever I think of plague scp 049 (the plague doctor) comes in my mind don't know why
I know...i thought the same too
greetin, guren sensei.
@@aisenmasina2114 greetings Mr todoroki
@@goon5971 Holy FCK I'm scared now...😃🔫
I'm in love with your English pronunciation. I heard many native speakers yet, yours voice is so soothing and just blend with your accent and the way you pronounce each. I am so mesmerised by your voice that I have even forgotten to concentrate on the topic. I wish I could speak like you.😇😇
In my country we have pretty good nursery ryhyms .most popular one called 'rosamale natuwekatu'. The meaning is "a child tells a bee that there are prickles on the stems of rose , be careful the bee replies ' i'm not touching the stems but sucking nectar from the flower' .
Isn't that cute :')
In the USA 1950s We sang, " Ring around the Roses, pocket full of posies. Ashes, ashes, we all fall down"! Then we'd drop holding hands & fall to the ground. Also journeying fron lively play to dropping alone onto the ground. It was repeated until we tired, but the idea looking back, was lively dancing & singing together to all dropping down, disconnected, and possibly mimicking "death", without consciously being aware of dying, although it does appear so now , looking back. Most Children's stories through the ages all threatened children! Ex: Hansel & Gretel, Granny & the Big, Bad Wolf, & other Grimms Fairy Tales! Psychologist Bruno Bettleheim has written extensively on these horrors. I think their intent was to keep children fearful of losing the protection of their families, so keeping them close to home!
Most scholars consider the line "We all fall down" as bowing doing a curtsey. It's quite common long ago in Europe where during festivals for people to dance around in circles holding their hands together and starting and ending the dance with curtsey and a bow. Something children would playfully emulate.
I honestly thought it was a song about a town that forgot about all their responsabilty and were dancing everday until they died which is the "we all fall down" part.
In my kindergarten, all of the children also did the same thing.
Really but in my childhood I was taught:
𝚁𝚒𝚗𝚐𝚊 𝚁𝚒𝚗𝚐𝚊 𝚛𝚘𝚜𝚎𝚜,
𝙿𝚘𝚌𝚔𝚎𝚝 𝚏𝚞𝚕𝚕 𝚘𝚏 𝚙𝚘𝚜𝚒𝚎𝚜,
𝙷𝚊-𝚜𝚑𝚊! 𝚆𝚘𝚘-𝚜𝚑𝚊!
𝚆𝚎 𝚊𝚕𝚕 𝚏𝚊𝚕𝚕 𝚍𝚘𝚠𝚗.
And everyone my friends and cousins use to sing it like that. (Even my teacher use to sing the same)
Same from PH! ig it was because we were colonized by america around that time and the nursery rhyme stuck around till today
Plot twist: Ring around the rosie is actually a prophecy about covid
OMG. I love it.
Lmaoooooooooo
:0 They gussed the future
@@awsomeyes9844 PREDICTION :OO
@@awsomeyes9844 atleast I got an Indian
I haven't heard any of these nursery rhymes for years so the nostalgia of childhood hit me like a train
Very good video on a very interesting subject!
There is an old German poet by J. W. Goethe frequently sung by many children called the Heidenröslein. Many people argue it depicts the rape of a woman through the metaphor of picking a flower and personally I find that theory very convincing when taking a look at the text. It's pretty grim. A part of it goes as follows.
Und der wilde Knabe brach
’s Röslein auf der Heiden;
Röslein wehrte sich und stach,
Half ihm doch kein Weh und Ach,
Mußt’ es eben leiden.
which I'd translate as:
And the wild boy broke
The rosy in the heath
Rosy defended itself and stinged,
But neither Ouch nor Gee did help
So it just had to suffer.
Please note:
1) Röslein is a diminutive of Rose [=rose] so I guess rosy is adequate
2) Weh and Ach are interjections turned into nouns in this context. They signal a certain suffering of the soul so I think Ouch and Gee are kind of adequate right here
isabellas lullaby better become a nursery rhyme even though it’s just a hum it’s got a meaning to it🧍🏽♀️
🥩🥓🍖🍗🥩🥩🥩👹👻👹👹🤡
Yesssss
It's my current nursery rhyme rn 🧍♀️
It's also creepy :v
Good to see I'm not the only one who thought that.
Cocomelon has been exposed
we litrelly play them for my one year old cousin or more precisely my cousin's child cocomelon and Dave & Ava
Ha ha ha.. I don't know about the origin of these nursery rhymes, but the tune of coco melon can bring my child back home from a kilometer away.
Lmao I played this to my cousin's and he Always gets mad scribbles my phone and takes me to an app
the song what's for breakfast from coco melon was a lil disturbing as well..
we all know that there is a pig in the show right? well one of the animals was cooking bacon and the pig was no where to be found-
Wonderful
His editing is getting better. and that's a big thumbs up.
i feel like nursery rhymes and chants can be easily confused with eachother when you're using text/writings. instead of imagining a group of kids singing that London bridge nursery rhyme, imagine it sung by a group of adults going into war...
I always felt weird when talking about english nursery rhymes. It’s as if the English have an obsession with connecting children songs with morbid backstories. However this has lead people to actually research the origins of nursery rhymes, which isn’t true for all countries’ children songs.
They were never really for children to begin with. They were simplistic, often political rhymes to, “get the story out” as they would often make fun of people in power or make a political statement etc. (It’s not too far from how a “punch and judy” booth was used to bring news to the masses)
Most nursery rhymes were to teach lessons.
@@Rebellescum really? i had no idea, honestly
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i think all nursery rhymes are morbid. they certainly are in portuguese and spanish
In France, there are many nursery rhymes very dark. When I was a little boy, I listened to a tape with creepy songs like La légende de Saint Nicolas in which it is told that little boys are killed by a butcher to be sold as pork. In another one, Il était un petit navire, seamen decide to eat a young boy, because they can't find fish. He is happily saved by a wave full of fish at the end. (Sorry for my bad english.)
Yikes!
im a pinay dh in hk,my.madam is a french and she was singing a french nursery song and she said the meaning is like "if I catch a bird ill remove it's feathers one one by till its die..."
@@joanmae6373 It may be :
"Alouette, gentille alouette,
Alouette, je te plumerai…"
Which can be translated as :
"Lark, nice lark,
Lark, I will pluck you.
I will pluck your head"
@@klausinski7104 OMG lol you have destroyed my childhood. I remember being taught this song aged 7 or 8 at British primary school and the teacher telling us the song was about a bridge!!
Horrific!
As far as the Baa Baa Black Sheep song, it makes me think of mourning clothes or burial shrouds; in the medieval ages, infant and child mortality rates were… very high. The song could have originated around using black wool to make mourning clothes or burial shrouds, and a “nicer” way of telling children that someone they know might’ve died
WAIT OMG 2:12 IS THAT ONE SONG ABOUT MEDIEVAL ROASTING HOLD ON ILL GO GET IT
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Did you get it?
@@thepopulationofkazakhstan1116 yea its right there
Man this channel has everything going for it: professional editing while still being easy on the eyes, a calm yet strong voice with a professional tone, and interesting topics where anyone can watch.
yeah his voice is very soothing and easy to listen to and understand :)
9:13 "but not sneezing"
Corona virus be like: oh that song is for me then 👁️👄👁️
Lolll
the rhyme came out before that.
imma destroy y'all child hood "London bridge is falling down = 1940s ww2 german bombing raid"
Fairy tales have even darker origins. A lot of the content from the originals is left out nowadays, but they were pretty messed up. I guess the world was just a darker place back then.
Think of it this way... if you even made it to 30, you were an old timer already
5:06 - Immurement wasn't just a punishment, it was more frequently used as a form of human sacrifice. Legend has it that sometimes people were entombed alive in the foundations of buildings and bridges to keep them standing.
And indeed, we know the legends were occasionally true as when certain medieval structures were demolished in the 19th and 20th centuries, accounts state that skeletons were found in the foundations.
Covid19: I AM THE MOST LETHAL PANDEMIC OF ALL TI-
The Black Death: Hold my beer.
Yes, black death killed like 1/3rd to half of world population two times. While measles and smallpox killed 90% of civilizations of North and South America.
I mean.. covid-19 is still going but I hope that it'll end soon cause it will be a disaster
@@Rapidaq covid 19 has a death rate of 1% in most of the countries while these pandemics had much higher death rate ranging from 10-60%
*THE SPANISH FLU*
@@anonymousviewer2165 still much milder than black death.
We were taught in history lessons the meaning of ring a ring of roses were;
Ring a ring of roses = the buboes resembled roses.
Pocket full of posies = flowers were carried to help with the smell of death.
Atishoo Atishoo = handkerchiefs were held over the mouth and nose to prevent infection.
We all fall down = death.
Yes. This is how I understand it as well.
Same
This is false. Snopes checked it. If children had been singing this for 500 years, it would have been written in early collections of nursery rhymes, but no documentation of the rhyme can be found before 1880.
@@brokencandy1797 under no circumstances do I trust Snopes to be right about this nursery rhyme as they have been proven to be wrong on so many occasions that it is a running joke about how seldom they actually get things right.
I was taught that it was about Pompeii...
In italian ring-o-roses have a completely different text that describe the sintoms of the plague before the death. So maybe the song has originated in italy or france or even spanish (the three land most heavily hitted by the dark plague or “peste nera” as we call it in italy)
5:25 Aren't there catacombs underneath London bridge? There's a whole haunted maze tourist trap set up there. They might not have been buried alive but there are definitely dead bodies in london bridge
We know of accounts of bodies being found in the foundations of certain buildings and bridges, this suggests such foundation sacrifices did occur at least occasionally.
I've never heard of "A-tishoo" before; the version I've heard my whole life has "Ashes, ashes." When they explained the plague theory to me, they said it was a reference to burning the infected bodies. And the "ring around the rosie" was a description of buboes on the cheeks. That's why the theory seemed so believable to me at the time.
And we've heard it like this... 'Husha Husha.. We all fall down.'
As if the children are enjoying circling around.
How dumb of them to make these things sound enjoyable to children. Even we enjoyed these when we were little.
@@mechikaboombayah4960 same 😂
Same I was confused
Same
Out of interest, are you English, American, Canadian or Australian. In England (where I’m from), we always said “a-tishoo” and were taught it was about getting sick.
*Everything has a dark side on them*
Even the moon
@@mathiasgustavsen2312 dark side of the moon lol great album. But really the only thing giving it the dark side or shadow is the sun or light...
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That's so deep.
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The ba-ba-blacksheep is sung to the tune written in Germany by a 6 year old boy in Austria in about 1761. Known in English as "Twinkle Twinkle Little Star" and was used to teach children the alphabet. It's even used for this purpose with the Korean writing system, Hangul. The London bridge song is even stinkier: some may recognise "Happy happy Halloween, Halloween, Halloween; happy happy Halloween, Silver Shamrock."
One of the explanations I heard for "Ring around the Rosie" (as recited in 20th Century America) is that a symptom of plague was red (rose) skin blotches with rings around them. Flowers (posies) were carried in attempt to lessen the smell of rotting flesh. "Ashes ashes we all fall down" was a reference to rubbing ashes on the skin to reduce itching, and that everyone died anyway.
Very subtle, inserting Baphomet when "...one for the Master..." part was being sung. I must say, I now have a whole different appreciation for Nursery Rhymes.
Well originally it was “None for the little boy who cries in the lane”... but ok 🤷🏻♂️
That's true! It even says so on the Wikipedia-very easy to verify. He should have caught that.
I was always confused on which to use honestly
why they use these dark things on nursery rhymes
@@amitabhkumar6718 because children stupid
@@kiyoshi5430 😂
In Italy, the last nursery Song says "earth crumbling, everybody on the ground" referencing the frequent earthquakes in the south
DARK
Actually, ring a round a rosies is in fact dark, it’s based to 12 boys dying, they would use flowers , like the ones in the song so they wouldn’t stink.
We were taught this:
"Ring around the rosies,
a pocket full of posies,
Ashes, ashes,
we all fall down!"
This was supposed to refer to red sores or boils; keeping posies in a pocket as a charm against sickness; and then, the fact that we all die eventually.
Fascinating how things evolve.
"London Bridge Is Falling Down" was also played in the anime Black Butler, in many creepy scenes, like with the "living dolls", or when London was set on fire by the fallen angel and his hellhound. To be more specific, where one of the two main heroes, the demon Sebastian killed the fallen angel, eventually making the London bridge fall down. Just wanted to point that out lmao
Kuroshitsuji!!!
@@sadiafarzana990 YEAAAA :D
That was sung by Sebastian right?
@@medealyn2635 Yeah, in one epizode it was
@Tenu Lim IKR SAME
it's mind-blowing to see CHILDREN songs have a dark meaning to eat, and we don't even suspect a thing '_'
There is this lifetime movie with the little boy singing ring-a-round a rosie, and when he says ashes ashes, his mother screamed and fell to the ground.
But for kids and today's parents the songs are literally harmless, they have no dark meaning, and they are unaware of the old darker. So the video here is just clickbait
That aint a kid song i remember when i was 4 i hated nursery rhymes with a passion
I always hated Humpty Dumpty, rockabye baby and London bridge since they just seemed way too… secretive. like they had something so much more to them and what I was hearing was less than half of it. although ringa ringa roses also gave me dark vibes, it didn’t bother me too much as I used to sing it every time I visited my cousin. but rockabye baby and Humpty definetely made it to the top of my list.
@@KibyNykraft I wouldn’t call the video a clickbait. it could very well be true. guess we’ll never know.
London Bridge was probably the equivalent of Space Shuttle disaster jokes in the 1980's (NASA = "Need Another Seven Astronauts")
At ꧁᛬9:40᛬꧂ a rather obscure map of the United States is shown that depicts fully consolidated yet still separate Indian and Oklahoma territories. Anyone have a link to a source for this map? I’ve done a bit of searching but find this version. Such a map would have only been contemporary for a brief 17 year period. May 2, 1890 to November 16, 1907.
I thought London bridge was about how a queen was locked up in a tower. Hence the 2nd verse 'take the keys and lock her up, my fair lady '
People from 3020 will say the same stuff but about “never gonna give you up” and “shreksaphone”.
Edit:
God 500 likes how
“the dark lore behind the Never gonna give you up...”
@@Opezaculous I love the idea of Rick Rolling in 3020. Thanks for the smile. :D
People in 3020 will say Shreksophone is inhaling an inhaler and is suffering from asthma 😂😂😂
@@Opezaculous
in 3020 people would say that if you hear the nursery rhyme "never gonna give you up" a curse will be cast upon you called "Rick Rolled"
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I always grew up hearing “Ring around the rosies, pocket ful of posies. Ashes, ashes, we all fall down” was this just me or did other ppl hear that
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Jack and Jill went up the hill
Humpty Dumpty sat on a wall
These also have sad endings
very sad
I thought Humpty was a cannon
Yea..
Where can i find them?
i as a kid, never liked those. they seemed really sad...i liked that ones with a happy vibe.
I thought the song went
"Ring around the rosey
Pockets full of posie
Ashes ashes
We all fall down"
Depends on where you live.
That's what I remember
That's what I was taught. This version definitely lines up with the plague. 💀
Glad I'm not the only who thought this
i learnt it as
Ringa Ringa roses
Pocket full of poses
hasha busha (?)
we all fall down
(granted, im from an asian country)
My mill grinds pepper, and spice. Your mill grinds rats, and mice.
Best diss tracker ever created.
I love that you put in samples of the songs
Humpty Dumpty was about a large cannon which was destroyed. I have heard that nursery rhymes are transmitted history. The children learnt the light rhyme but later learnt the story but having already learnt it in a easily remembered way. Telling stories is a long established way to share history and remember other valuable information.
I’ve always felt nursery rhymes sound haunting, even as a kid. To see them used in horror movies didn’t surprise me either
I have literally never heard one person in real life or movie sing this version of ring around the rosey. Its always been "ring around the rosesy pocket full of posie ashes ashes we all fall down" for me.
Where the fuck
Ring around the Rosie*
Pockets full of posies*
Ashes ashes*
We all fall down*
the ring o' rosies melody sounds creepy because its made of pretty much just minor thirds, a minor third is made of two notes 3 semitones apart and it usually sounds sad or creepy.
minor third is 3 semitones apart, my dude. 1 more than major 2nd.
@@wea69420 oh yeah sorry mixed that up
I feel like they drop it a couple octaves to make it sound creepy too though
What's scary is the songs itself-
Like- It's so old but scary- Remove all the dark things About the song and just the song- it's still Very spooky
It's only scary when people like to imagine things. The thing about these songs is that they are all very old and their origins are largely unknown, that's why it gave room for people to imagine about its origins. In reality, it most probably isn't as dark as people like to believe. A lot of these songs were taken from other languages and had its original meaning twisted.
its not dark for most kids, when people aged and mature of course they will say it scary or dark coz it isn't their type of music anymore
@@chrisl9934 maybe, but anything is possible. you can’t assume, especially when the stuff connects so well. I’m not saying the dark side should be confirmed, but neither should the fact that none of them mean anything.
@@lucticide A lot of the "dark truths" are just bullshit conspiracies people made so people could convince that these innocent rhymes have dark origins.
@@lartts7483 maybe, I never said the conspiracies were true. but you can’t confirm that they are either. I personally always hated ringa ringa, rockabye baby, London bridge and Humpty Dumpty. they gave me dark vibes, but nothing is confirmed.
The Black Plague symptom has big red spots that are big as roses
Here’s a different version of “Ring around the Rosies”
Ring around the Rosies: The dark red ring on their skin that was caused by the plague.
A pocket full of posies: (apparently) they used posies to help with itching or skin irritation.
Ashes, ashes: They burned the bodies of whoever died of the plague.
We all fall down: Well…everyone dies.