I Made a 5 Hour Video Essay... There was Backlash
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Not even the one who got so mad I didn't like a TV show that they resorted to defending the nazis.
whose*
Hoes*
Defending Nazis to own the longoids is a pretty big bruh moment.
Woos*
whoms'e
"Lol its fantasy, just accept it" is an argument made by people who dont give a shit about fantasy as a genre.
There is something inherently dismissive when people suggest that a given genre shouldn't be taken too seriously. You wanna get me really serious, suggest that comedy shouldn't be taken seriously.
"it's fantasy, and because magic/fictional race/other fantasy trope exists, that means they can do literally anything and you're not allowed to criticize it or think that it feels off."
@@THATGuy5654 then there's people who don't want to discuss fiction in general because "it's just what the writer decides it is" For example when you ask "if character A fights character B, who'd win?" and some smartass says "whoever the writer wants to win"
i guess let's never discuss any fiction ever because someone can decide the outcome
@@Crabgar I fucking HATE IT when people do that. It’s so fucking annoying!
It's not even that, it's an argument made by people who don't care about internal consistency and having a believable world.
Saying "Someone shitting on somebody else's creativity" after calling their 5 hour long project "unwatchable negative shit" (without having seen it) is some next level irony lmfao
And coming from a person who's supposed to be a professional journalist... welp.
@@Vits117 Not a professional journalist, a writer for the Guardian. These are not the same thing.
@@OsellaSquadraCorse Professional crack pot is a better term.
Hypocrisy is the biggest issue I have with these people filled with "toxic positivity" or that reject criticism claiming it's "Evil people that want to use objectivity to make their opinions sound more legit, SHAME ON THEM FOR NOT BEING A SUBJECTIVE FREE BIRD LIKE I AM!!!" ...Even though they themselves are doing exactly that: shitting on people for not complying to _their_ (very flimsy and malleable) standards of right and wrong.
@@Vits117 I don't honestly think that "professional" and "journalist" can exist in the same sentence anymore.
Unless it's something like "This professional's life was ruined by a journalist who couldn't be bothered to do proper research before they released their clickbaity hit piece."
Jay: Hey nazis are racist
Reporter: No they aren’t, they “tolerated” having brown people on earth to help them conquer it
Jay:
Reporter: I’m defending nazis now
Jay: what?
Reporter: you are a right wing extremist
Jay: what
Ain’t this the truth!
Happens on both sides. There was a famous case where a sexual predator (who happened to be trans) was targeting Muslim women and children. And the usual liberal arguments like "conservatives only pretend to care about kids" or "you just hate trans people". But like no serious this person repeatedly assaulted kids and brown people. Their identity shouldn't matter.
Jay: **points out weirdly racist thing in show**
Some journalist: “Well you see the Nazis weren’t actually all that racist because…”
based
/j
Honestly, if you think Nazis were generally pretty racist people, maybe you're a fascist I guess?
and yet they AREN'T the alt right one in this scenario?
Well they weren’t racist like that, they had actual things that they hated about the races they put in the camps, you can argue the truth of their beliefs but it wasn’t ever just “they look different” in the nazi perception.
@@Abysalss That is literally racism.
I’m dissapointed this isn’t a 5hr rebuttal to the backlash.
5 hours per every comment!
We all are
Ya
Short bad
@@waltf4470 SHORT _CLAP_ MAN _CLAP_ BAD
Twitter user: "People shouldn't spend their time being hateful about another person's work" - proceeds to spend time being hateful about another person's work.
That’s what annoys me the most about them.They go on about "let people do what they want" etc etc and then get offended by a video they aren’t even gonna watch.Literally if jodie whittaker took a shit on the tardis floor and you said something bad about it,you’d be branded a sexist hater 🙄
Proceeds to use twitter...
@I Dunno definitely.Most of the people who defend her madly are the same people who didn’t want capaldi coz he was "too old".Its just hypocrisy at its finest
That’s pretty much extremist groups for you. Or just…Twitter in general. You apply logic to any controversial subjects, there are bound to be people coming up in arms to shun that logic in an attempt to defend their pride.
Such is the world, I suppose.
This is why I don't use and rather despise Twitter
You don't make a 5 hour highly edited criticism of a property unless you truly love that property.
have you watch the video?
@@plazolaferreyro3416 Yeh, they love the property, they don’t like that era but in general they love it
Didn't mauLer make like 26 hours of criticism about the new star wars trilogy
@@melgibsonero yep, and a 10 hour criticism of someone's criticism of dark souls 2.
You don't make five hours of criticism period unless you have not organized your thoughts properly and succinctly enough.
Imagine thinking a blind hater would be motivated enough to produce 5 hours of carefully edited content. The actual blind haters didn't even bother to consume those 5 hours.
No, they think it's 5 hours of unedited ranting
@@user-bz3kd2mt3ubecause they can’t be bothered to even watch
Real haters would just scream at the top of their lungs for 5 decades straight
@@thatonespooder1513a blind hater wouldn't look at the title an nod because they wouldn't be able to see the title on account of being blind.
I'm sorry... not entirely but partially.
Blind haters post screenshots of title cards on Twitter and say "look how bad this is" :)
"Fascist? Some of my best infantry are Indian" -A. Hitler
The point the guy from that article was making was completely asinine anyway. "Oh yeah the Nazis occasionally made use of non-white collaborators and therefore had no problems with non-white people and would happily put them in positions of authority over German soldiers" is a nonsensically bad take. They also made use of Russian collaborators, would this guy read that as the Nazis having no particular loathing for Slavs, for example? What a dingus.
@@garethharold3600 also the fact that he put black people down with Jews and gypsies as the worst in the world
@TheMagicMudkip exactly, pragmatically diverging from the fanatically racist dogma for convenience =/= being not that racist, actually
@@garethharold3600 Even more if you just look at the dates. The Indian SS units were from 44. The writing was already at the wall at that point. They were cannon fodder, nothing more. The Nazis used people they thought "lesser" so less "good aryans" would die.
@@CARILYNF Alexander Hitler
When you’re so anti-racism and anti-sexism you accidentally defend the nazis, making yourself racist and assume someone doesn’t like a show because the main character is a woman which is kinda sexist
Underrated comment.
horseshoe theory in a nutshell
Wise words I once read, something along the lines of "The political spectrum, is actually a circle."
This comment is underrated! 💯
@@nin2494 lmao only in america or britain would an at most liberal take be used as an example example of "the left" to try and prove horseshoe theory
honestly i think the freaking article calling your views "fascist" and "misogynistic" might as well be sued for defamation because that is some very heavy and untrue accusations.
Fun-Fact:
Madvocate and Hbomberguy, legends as they are,
did just what Jay Exci did.
HOUR-LONG and CONSTRUCTIVE (!) Criticism about Shows.
Videos so damn-good that not knowing the Shows discussed is literally no
reason not to watch.
Unfortunately that probably wouldn't hold in court because that singular comment on its own hasn't caused enough damage to Jay's public image, personal relationships etc.
@@ziwuri ah I see, I'm not an expert so I just thought that would work
@@ziwuri plus it's subjective
while "fascist" and "misogynistic" certainly are false claims, they're subjective enough that they could be seen as opinion, while they actually didn't accuse Jay of any objective things other than the truth
like, they didn't accuse them of saying something they didn't say, or of doing anything
@@raphaelmorgan2307 You're wrong. They clearly accused her of criticizing the new Doctor Who episodes only because the main character is a woman instead of a man.
(I hate that I feel like I have to clarify, but obviously that's not why she made the video. These toxic commenters simply couldn't be bothered to watch it.)
Wait so people who spent 5 - 10 seconds reading the tittle and thumbnail of the 5 hour video essay has the right to confidently make dumb and condescending assumptions on said video but the person who made a 5 hour video essay on a series has no right to critic the show the essay is about?
Logic ordered on Wish
@@arroe8386 Mordo: "Yes we did. No price to pay? We broke our rules just like her. The Bill Comes Due."
Basically the - stop having opinions! crowd
Some genuinely can't grasp the difference between constructive criticism and hate. You said something critical about your favorite show? Hater, hater! It's exhausting
The same people that enjoyed the last jedi
twitter is 90% someone imagining a guy, tricking themselves into believing that guy exists and then getting mad about it
5% those guys that actually exist
4% normal people who only have an account to follow certain creators
1% celebrity accounts that get 99% of all interaction
Perhaps the same could be said of all religions, but enough talk, have at you!
Oh my god, you're right
@@warlordofbritannia 90 percent fan
You forgot, they dont just imagine the guy and get angry, they assign someone to be the imaginary guy then get mad at that real person
A wonderful sentence I saw on reddit once: "The greatest trick the devil ever played was making 'Doctor Who' shit at the same time that a woman was cast as the main character"
Edit:
I find it funny. That's all. Give me a doctor of any sex, class, colour, or creed; I'll be on board.
Ooh that's a good one! Well said! 😁👍
The 1st season of 12 wasn't great either. I suspect it's still going to suck with Jodie gone if Chibnail stays on.
Making good with a woman main actor so everyone likes it ⛔️. Making it bad with a woman main actor 🥰
At this point the writing is so bad I'm convinced Chibnall is sexist and wants to make sure Whittaker's doctor is so bad that there's never a female doctor again. It can't be this bad by accident.
@@tgoas3503 He's not, he's just that bad. I know it's a joke but it's pretty unfair to the guy to make the statement. Simple fact is, a lot of people working in the entertainment industry are not that talented. Hard to believe, I know, took me a whole week to internalize that fact, but Chibnall is just... not good at the job he has.
I'm not sure why, but "battle amongst yourselves, and I will agree with the survivors" was really funny to me. So thank you for that.
I read that "bottle amongst yourselves"
It was so good that I had to write it down in my notebook full of scripts so that I could use it later
cant believe they pulled "the nazis whern't racist, they had indian friends" card.
Yeah and Not even friends, they were soldiers. I don’t think Hitler ever liked the Indians he forced to fight for him lol.
In the beginning the Universe was created.
This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.
indeed
HHGTTG reference fuck yeah
#Godisoverparty
he's literally created racist, sexist, mysoginistic people, which means he's racist apparently. im shaking n crying rn how could he have done this
Do you have your towel with you?
@@timohummel9996 nope
Imagine not watching a CZcams video, assuming it’s shit, *and then getting mad about it*
Most people are always going to be children no matter how many years they live. It’s a world of, by, and for children
@@TaddiestMason So I suppose the Warriors of… that word didn’t need to do anything, as their paradise was already created
sadly this is what people do about everything now. people think they are educated about the things they know nothing about, and they build opinions without any knowledge
Haters gonna hate
That's probably the stupidest thing you can do on the internet
The thing I find wacky is that Timeless Child writes her out of even being the first female Doctor. They just didn't give her a break, anywhere.
Ah thats ok they already retconned that accomplishment with that other female time lady they had in the fugitive before she was stated to be the timeless child, so she already got dethroned before the reveal to soften the blow
I love how everyone that hated your work just humiliated themselves and showed their immaturity.
“You should just accept that this is a show where the main character has random superpowers that fit the plot at anytime”
I’m confused, do these people actually even like the show
That sounds like a comedy show
At least half these people don't even watch the show.
If his powers were that convenient all my favourite characters wouldn’t have fuqing died 😔
They don't, but they don't want to admit it because that'd mean they'd have to admit to being wrong.
No. They just want to get mad at people for criticizing it because they think it's good because of politics, or something.
Jay: Nazis are bad
Them: Actually, Nazis aren't as bad as you thought
Conclusion: Jay is probably a right-wing extremist
Yeah. I'm gonna need some time digesting that one
It stems from 2 misunderstandings by the writer:
1. He thinks criticizing the Chibnall era is wrong because it has a woman lead therefore criticism is born out of a hatred of the lead, rather than... everything else. He feels that other eras were skipped receiving the same criticism because the mains were men rather than the whole part where you can't criticize the writing of a showrunner by criticizing other showrunners and the video is 5 hours long already how many days do you think it would take to go through the entire Doctor Who canon for fuck's sake?
2. He thinks that because some Indians were on the Nazi side in WWII it means that Nazis were fine with Indians, would love and protect them and not put them into concentration camps, kill them or otherwise torture them as potential spies if found wearing their army's uniform.
Quote:
"It also seems that there is some inspiration from the extreme right-wing influencers, like the misguided “Indian man and Nazis” point, and the misogyny that is implied in singling out the series that have had a female actor playing the Doctor."
Let’s not mention the fact that the Master literally says his been stuck in concentration camps and prisons for 40 years.
Least I’m pretty sure he says something like that
Fucking twitter moment.
Don't try to understand SJWs... just punch them until they stop moving. Trust me, it's very therapeutic!
13:15 Jay realizing mid sentence that he turned into Skeletor and just leaning into it absolutely destroyed me.
From my experience on CZcams with video essays, these guys going "Oh god it's 5 hours, it's just a bunch of hate filled bs, isn't it?" have it exactly the other way around.
Like, if someone's going to put in the time and effort to go through the process of scripting and editing down the script for 5 hours worth of video, spend countless days just recording the lines, find the right clips, edit those clips in while making sure they won't trip the copyright censors, and everything else that goes into such a huge project, it's not just going to be a rant. By the time anyone just finished recording everything, I'd imagine the anger would be so far past dead that they'd just feel like scrapping it entirely rather than continuing.
If someone just wanted to make a rant hating on a thing that people like complaining about for views, it's not going to be a 5 hour long video that's the result of a months long project. It'll probably be like a 20 minute video, maybe an hour if they _really_ push it. That doesn't take nearly the same commitment as a full hours long video essay would.
I've seen hour long videos about how the "global elite" aka Jews are taking over the world
Video length isn't a good indicator for quality in either direction
People love to make dismissive blanket statements instead of acknowledging the fact that someone made a valid criticism of their favorite media. I wish he'd just ignore the folks on Twitter. It's full of people who will complain over anything they like, because that little corner of the internet encourages people to get angry at trivial nonsense. Unfortunately this time, they came for Jay.
@@umamifan
Yeah, this is very true. I've seen people on Twitter complain over pretty much everything and anything.
That’s what I was thinking? Like what do you mean ‘5 hours means it’s going to be a rant’ what kind of rant lasts 5 hours without at least some proof regarding the claims they’re ranting over
@@ranglefandangles For that matter I don't think anyone can go into a rant 5 hours straight before running out of steam period
“This video is rife with misinformation and hate!”
Jay: Oh can you point out that misinformation? I’d be happy to correct it!
“Oh uhhhh….” *Blocks Jay*
Peak Twitter right there.
Basically the homestuck v Sarah Z legal threat in a nutshell too
Should there be courses on responsible Tweeting?
@@DrGandW There shouldn't _need_ to be, but I think if critical-thinking was more common, encouraged, and taught in a more thorough capacity throughout all levels of education, it'd go a long way in helping.
BIG ONION requires BIG WORK
BIG STINK over Jay's BIG WORK does not require BIG WATCH or BIG THINK.
Yes, let's get Shrek involved into this.
BIG ONION requires BIG WOK
*yes*
Big Shrek requires Big Donkey?
After a year and a half, this video and the 5 hour essay still appear as some of the first results when you search Doctor Who on CZcams.
In the words of Jay
pog
Almost 2 years and it's still there
A video being hours long is a selling point to me. It signals to me "This person has put in a huge amount of effort and time to make something they feel some kind of passionate about and are sharing it with people." And I love that shit! I love hearing people who know a lot about a thing I know little or absolutely nothing about just go on about the topic for hours, whether that's positive or negative, or both. Not saying every hour long videos are like this, but most of them are I believe. You don't fill hours of video time with nonsense or unfounded hate, that's what twitter's for.
not to get political (legitimately speaking), but that's what always interests me about leftist youtubers on yt
they have these comically long videos about topics that may not interest me at first, but it's the sheer length of the videos that always catch my eye
he's not political really, but emplemon exemplifies what i'm talking about
@@The_Jazziest_Coffee Not to get political, but it is perceived a left-wing thing because right-wingers are usually grifters or genuinely fucking stupid.
I don’t know why people get mad about constructive criticism
Because internet man said mean angery things about thing I like
MHM They just don't like opinions that contradict their own
Because some people tie their whole personality to things that they like. And since they lack other aspects of their personality, an attack on their favorite things turns into a personal insult to them.
They can endlessly talk about how their favorite thing is beautiful. And if you dare to criticize their favorite thing, suddenly standards begin to be imposed. Is the criticism too short? The criticism is superficial. Is the criticism too long? Go outside and touch the grass!
All feelings are important, all assessments are valid, any criticism is hatred. Enjoy the product. Don't ask questions. But only you can't criticize. They can descend to the most poisonous and vile personal insults. They will run after you for three days just to tell you how much they don't care about you and how sorry they are for you.
Because for them, you are a villain who wants to get a quality product. And they have enough of the available product and they are happy. And you spoil their fun, because you claim that their favorite thing is bad. After all, you can't love bad things and understand that they are bad. Smokers, for example, usually understand that their lungs will not thank them for cigarettes. But they can't admit it. For their favorite things are their personalities. And if they like bad things, then their personality is not so good either.
Because they want to avoid criticism all together. It's pretty simple, but frankly it doesn't excuse the show of doctor who or help it. I thought Jay was more than fair in his video as opposed to complaining identity politics and not showing why the show is clearly a dumpster fire of qaulity at this point even without politics being put in.
Insecurities.
They don't want something they deem 'precious' to them being 'put down' by other people. Ironically enough, they're also generally the kind of people who'll jump in glee when something they don't like get that very treatment.
Quotation mark, because it doesn't actually have to be that. It just have to be perceived as 'putting down' by some folks.
Imagine defending Nazis because you didn't like someone complaining about Doctor Who
But don't you see? Hitler had Indian friends - guess the author of that article overestimated your education, smh.
Twitter moment
A lot of people don't need an excuse for that though
I listened to the entire thing while working on a project of my own, and the backlash is completely ridiculous. You made what I consider to be very nuanced critiques and frankly I completely agree with the vast majority of it. It did in no way boil down to “woman bad!” People are just weird.
It's mostly due to a retarded modern view of feminism. Everybody wants to argue that just because something has woman in it or is made by a woman, it's automatically a bad thing and should never exist.
People just want boil points and nothing else.
If you don't know, Nerdrotic, Geeks and Gamers and his friends all argue that MCU is bad now because it is going to have women. Suddenly the fact that marvel and Kevin Feige bringing in more female characters into focus is bad only shows they don't care and just want to rake in on the grift.
Nerdrotic even made a twitter post where he argued with a tag post that it is very sexist to have female directors making superhero films, where the only thing that the tag post said that more female directors should make superhero films. Him saying that only proved that he is incapable of rational thinking. He even argued that shang chi bad because he got defeated by his sister in one scene. Later on, he defeated his father and dweller in darkness in the end.
Geeks and Gamers had made a video not criticising Matrix resurrections, but thinking how woke is it. Clearly that's the only thing possible to him. A movie is bad because it has trans allegory, not because it has problems in screenwriting and filmmaking aspects.
Humans are evolving....... but backwards.
Aha but you see, woman am bad! The mere choice that the lead role would be filled by a girl means that the media is terrible. The writing and decisions couldn't possibly factor into it at all.
@@highjumpstudios2384 @Ineffable Penguin watch Overlord from season 1 to 4, in last episode of the last season you will see a woman. Don't be scared, they exist. Take deep breath and realice what make you fear and trumble is that this woman is a good character. Not nececarely done good thing to please Jesus, but in all meaning is a "good character".
@@avanishdutta2658 I dont know about the others but nerdrotic watches the shows, does reviews and explains why its bad in discussions. Sounds like you dont watch any of his stuff because it isnt things are bad because women are in it.
@@charg1nmalaz0r51 I used to watch Nerdrotic's Doctor Who videos. Though I disagreed with him on certain points, I didn't think he was actively a liar or insanely alt-right brainwashed like all the rest of the talking heads who pretend to be critics, and I also disliked series 11, so we agreed more than we disagreed. Then he made his It Takes You Away review where his conclusion was that the whole message of the episode was "white single fathers are bad" and then railed against it for that, a thing that is not remotely congruous with reality. Also having a disabled person be a major character is woke and that's bad. That was the last video of his I ever watched. My life has seen no significant downgrade now that I don't watch a miserable git who's friends with actual Nazis (because you have to be to be in the anti-woke critic space) and makes pretending to like nerd things and hating minorities their entire personality.
Some people just can't (or don't want to) recognize the difference between a rant, a review, and an autopsy/analysis. The more problems something has, the longer it takes to break them all down and describe where, how and why it went off the rails.
"The implied misogyny of making a video on the only female Doctor Who"
You mean the video in which he spends most of it criticising the white male that made the show and praising the shit out of what I assume is the only episode where the lead writer is a woman and his main point of praise is that the female doctor is demonstrating strength against the male villain who is also demonstrating strength, showing that she's not going to be intimidated by his display of strength? He also spends most of the video criticising the fact that the female Doctor is shown to be too weak, both emotionally and charismatically throughout the series and said that he was more excited to hear that the female lead writer for that one episode becoming a core writer for the next season than he was when he was a child sitting inside an operable Dalek.
You don't need any more proof that these people resort to accusations of sexism without actually caring about whether or not it's sexist just as a way to dismiss something entirely without having to argue their stance or make any effort whatsoever.
@Quentin Goodman Well we can get it back, if we're all held to a standard
Jay also happens to be a trans woman herself, so there's that.
"If you have a different opinion to me then you are an ist/phobe" Seems to be their standard argument. It's not a very good one.
@@Leaddevo No, it's a tism
@@TOONYBOY Your just a tismist....
People are literally sharing a screenshot that includes a caption saying 'this took me 6 months' and saying "this is obviously just a rant". WHO WORKS ON A RANT FOR SIX MONTHS? THAT'S NOT HOW RANTING WORKS.
It's really unfair to call A deep analysis with actual effort put into it, as a mere 'rant'. It seems like people use the word to discredit what they dislike
Never met Donald Trump, huh?
Exactly, what you just commented is a rant. A short, quickly made opinion about something.
You don't HAVE to WORK on a rant. That's the beauty of it. No need for a script just get some flashcards with bullet points on them and away you go.
@@gentleseal1778 OK that is definitely not what a rant is, lol. “To speak or shout at length in a wild, impassioned way”, that’s basically the opposite of what you said
Martin Belam - "Why would someone waste their time making or watching a 5 hour video about a TV-show"
Also Martin Belam - *wastes hours complaining about a 5 hour video that he hasn't even watched*
My last exposure to Doctor Who was as a child, with the 10th and 11th Doctor eras. I clicked out of curiosity and was amazed at the quality and depth of feedback. Five hours is, arguably, brisk for deconstruction of an entire season of televison with 22 50 minute episodes!
This is good faith, useful, well-considered critique that gave me excellent insight into the problems with the new season, and actually got me interested in checking out some more of the show! I felt like watching more of the old seasons, checking out some extended media! Stuff like this should be seen as an absolute gold mine for showmakers. It even had community polls! Real data! Fuck, I would kill to get that on *one* script I've done, never mind two full seasons!
Well said!
THANK YOU
"The nazis weren't racist. Some of their best friends were brown."
But yeah it's Jay that's alt-right.
Correction: "wore brown shirts"
@@foxcm2000 until they turned red. (Too soon?)
@@cookieface80 they time travelled and turned into garibaldi’s redshirts 😳
Also amusing: "Those best friends were POWs! I believe that definitively proves a complete absence of any racial bias. Clearly, they were on absolutely fantastic terms!"
They're fucking POWs; it's basically impressment. And the British situation with India in WW2 is part of the reason ANY were willing to do it at all, let alone dodge a hellhole POW camp.
"And then they blocked me" is a better plot twist that anything Chibnall could have written
Chibnall would be like "and then it turned out they were a 6 foot alien cow from the dawn of time for some reason, deal with it"
*Chinball :D
@@dancer14280 ChinBallEar :D
@@Erkitka *Chin-Ball-Ear
Chris chibnall can write plots?!
Almost like twitter is a website designed for people who's core personality trait is outrage (sometimes their only personality trait), and them actually watching the video would not let them express their only sense of self.
This is why I'm on Tumblr
I watched the whole 5h critique (with the speed increased to my preferred comfortable listening pace) fully planning to watch something else as soon as the video got boring, felt disingenuous, or otherwise not worth my time. I found the comparison of old and new Who very apt, and despite my ADHD I never clicked away. The haters are gonna hate, let them wallow in their ignorance.
Had the exact same experience! "I'll turn it off when I get bored, let's see..."
Held my attention the whole time, includes so many clips of the show! Jay could've made a separate video for every episode, ended up with way more hours of content, but no one would've cared.
_(I also have ADHD)_
Jay: Nazis were racist. This is bad.
People: omg why are you being racist?
Are you freaking serious? I WONT watch a 5 hour documentary about Nazis being bad, like stop hating their creativity
@@somedumbtrollshrekislovesh9643 they were very creative in coming up with ways to brutally and slowly kill people that’s for sure.
@@somedumbtrollshrekislovesh9643 Creativity in what?
@@brucehubbard1487………😐😐😐
Did you not see my sassy response to his remark?
Yet another episode of twitter not knowing what fascism is, and not realizing that it's what they actually want.
It's 5 hours long because you felt it required 5 hours. Nothing wrong with that.
If it had been 10 minutes they would have claimed jay skipped over stuff.
If it was 1 hour they would have claimed he was cherry picking.
If it was 2 1/2 hours they would pick on its length anyway, and by now they aren't willing to watch it.
At 5 hours, he did a deep analysis of everything and they still didn't pay attention.
Can't win with those idiots.
I hear there is 10 minutes of footage that could have been cut, and wasn't because 5 hours is controversial, but 4 hours and 50 minutes is not.
@Tom Ffrench except jays video does not repeat itself that much it is 5 hours because they personally felt that was the amount of time they needed to properly dissect and discuss the seasons of the show
@Tom Ffrench Here is a challenge for you, download and edit the video and hit all the exact same points in an hour, making sure to keep all the context.
@Tom Ffrench So in one breath you say "No criticism needs to be 5 hours long. An hour maybe, but it’s needlessly long to be 5 hours." and in another you say " I haven’t seen Jay’s video". Oh fuck off.
The start of the video made me realize that I kind of wish there was a way to browse youtube but locked to a certain year. Like lock it to 2013 and only see videos from 2013 and earlier. It feels like the youtube algorithm VIOLENTLY suppresses anything that is older than 1-2 years even if I desperately search for older content. There is so much semi-lost media on youtube that is never discovered again because of the algorithm never recommending it. It doesn't help that search results are also 50% unrelated to what you even searched for.
Funny. I feel like half my feed is just old videos...
I'm a truck driver and I love listening to 5 hour videos as I drive across the country. It's a great way to pass the time. Thank you for making extra long videos, they are wonderfully entertaining and I will listen to every single minute of them!
"I can't believe someone would make something so negative" they say, as they themselves are being negative over something they haven't even FUCKING SEEN.
10/10 bimpson in your profile picture there, very nice
Overly positive people are far worse than any negative person from what I've seen.
You would think people who like TV shows that go on for years and can't be binged within a few hours would understand how being longer can actually be a good thing.
It’s literally 4 and a half instances of the video long, like what the hell
It's weird because it only seems really logical that, you know, people who make longer videos would probably have more to say? I mean, how many times do people think you can say 'show bad' without actually making an actual point in a FIVE HOUR video??? What???
If anything, it's the really short videos I'd expect to be shallow. If you're taking less than 10 minutes to talk about over 20 hours of footage then I have no idea how you could even get to any meaningful conclusions in that timeframe.
It's certainly a fact that video is 5 hours long.
@@Edax_Royeaux slight over five hours...
I guess people don't like wing punctuation about numbers.
@@dracocrusher Personally, 5hrs is 100% too long HOWEVER: It can be excused because of the target audience of the video. A critical essay in literature really doesn't need that type of length, but a lot of the time spent on the essay seemed to go to source material/evidence of his claims or explaining his stance. Realistically, the same video could be 2-3hrs in length without suffering from that much lost content. It's not quantity that led to its length, more structuring. But again, it's excused by the target audience of the video. It's made to be extremely accessible and well explained so that people can't make weak points about failed criticism or "subjective opinions". That made them turn to "Chibnall bad" and "5hrs?!?", but they're obviously weak criticisms as they don't actually dispute the legitimacy of the criticisms within the video.
For the video itself, I definitely think a big part of its length comes from the 'walkthrough' structured criticisms and them taking too long. While it's a great way to drive home your point to those who aren't as experienced in literature, I think it suffers in long essays about an entire series as it really bloats the length. It works great for essays surrounding a couple of episodes, or essays that are focusing on a certain problem with the series. But with a more general criticism of the entire series, it ends up leading to its long length. Essentially, a large bulk of the essay seemed to be put into paraphrasing.
Personally, I think the essay would be better served with it being segmented into different issues the series suffered from. So, for example, half an hour on the characters of the series, rather than nearly an hour on a single episode. Then, laying out your criticisms/issues with something like the characters without relying too much on the source material to continually prove your point. A couple of scenes supporting your claims are a good thing, but entire episodes with a variety of criticisms leads to the longer length and kind of random structure of actual points made.
Really enjoyed the video, BUT its length was an issue. Again, doesn't actually dispute his points, it's only something someone studying/with a career in writing would notice and find issue with.
"Is the chibnall era even 5 hours long?" I feel like there's something poetic there about chibnall stans having no understanding of how time works but I'm too stupid and don't care enough to find out what that is.
Man, Hbomb just uploads multiple hour long videos about things I've never heard and I watch them. SO 5 hours of doctor who? I was sold and enjoyed it. It's a good video and this one too. Tahnks.
“A book is too long! Why can’t it be put out in separate chapters”
Heh. Nice.
Long Book Bad
I bet it hates on women, ill go tweet about how bad the book is
Yeah, why didn't he edit the video? You're right
@@DeviantDork I can literally click on the video and already see _timestamped chapters_ which separate the video into many parts. I thought it was bad that you are making arguments against a video's content that you haven't watched, _but you haven't even clicked on the video._
“Indian men can be Nazis if they want to” was not a take I was ready to hear😂😂😂
Of course there were different races allied with the Nazis, but that didnt really change Jay's point that Chibnall clearly was having The Doctor weaponize The Master's perceived race against them.
It's true tho. Skin color is irrelevant to who a person is. There's bad apples in every tree
I saw that 5 hour video essay pop up in my feed and thought "well, I'm definitely not watching that". But I didn't expect anyone to get so mad about it that they half-accidentally aligned themselves with Nazi ideologies. What a world we live in.
Well they ARE Aryans
some people identify so strongly with their media that they'd rather their favorite media turn mediocre than entertain the idea that it may have flaws and want to fix them
With that guy that insinuated that there are too many video essays, "oh no, not the nth time-" blah blah, I forget what they wrote.
Video essays are my favorite genre on CZcams. They also take A LOT of work. I appreciate every one that's made, and I want more. I intend to watch the FULL five hours lol.
Update: I watched the full five hours
also there are VERY few doctor who video essays
A Guardian journalist criticizing something they didn't watch. Shocking. I'm aghast.
This same Guardian journalist has today posted an article saying he thinks Dr Who should be cancelled.
You literally couldn't make it up.
@@Avatar1977 I guess he finally got around to watching the show.
gonna correct you there mate, his title is guardian urinalist..
there are people whos FULL CAREER is analyzing authors works/books/theories, and no one complains when they release FULL PUBLISHED BOOKS on their findings, and there are people complaining about a 5 hour youtube video. That makes me sad.
Yeah but that’s fine because
I hope it made you super sad. Oh no wait, that would be pathetic
@@DeviantDork no, what's super sad is pretending to be a woman online when you're really a man, Evan.
yes but book good internet bad
The fact the 5 hour video and this one are still the first things that pop up when you search Dr.Who makes me so happy.
When I’m analyzing pop culture, your 5-hour vid is one of a handful I revisit to make sure my own analysis is clear, comprehensive, and logical. Thank you for your meticulous work! You are an inspiration.
Also to steal onion jokes.
When I see someone making a 5-hour critique on something my immediate interpretation is "gosh this guy must be really sad that something he loves is going to shit". Cause anyone who commits so much time of their life into producing something, obviously has a passion for the IP.
A fine example is "The Quartering" who poops out 3-4
~10min. Rant vids about topic x with surface lvl effort a day.
I watched the dr. Who video because it has 5hrs run time.
I was just like "damn, jay has alot to say about dr. Who"
Lol people will spend hours every day sending tweets to people who won’t care but write one video script and everyone loses their mind
@@t4rv0r60 that’s just not who the quartering is... one person that I love their long format videos is Mauler.
yeah that's not what I initially thought, after watching it it's great but I understand the criticism towards the essay.
Yeah. I wanted to like it.
Decent actors, potential for new stories. Shit writing.
Oh well.
I no longer watch Dr Who.
And i've been watching it since the invention of colour TV.
John Pertwee, in case you are wondering.
I no longer care.
and for the record, i am a rainbow-haired SJW. So it ain't that.
I swear I don’t know how many times ive seen situations where it is exactly:
“this video is bad!”
“did you watch it?”
“no because its bad”
9:25 Honestly, blurring this guy is less for protecting him from harassment via your fans, but more from protecting him from being bullied by EVERYONE cuz he sounds embarrassing as FUCK.
I was staring at that 'am i gay' ad so when jay unexpectedly pointed it out i bursted out laughing
"Apparently people aren't allowed to have favourite eras"
They say, while trying to shut down someone for having opinions on which eras they prefer. H m m
It's almost like what they mean is "why doesnt the popular opinion line up with mine"
It's a wierd take.
I mean... I'm *glad* there are people who enjoy this run. Hell. I'd be horrified if *no one* enjoyed it. But I'm not one of them.
"The Fall of Doctor Who" is seriously a masterpiece. Great work.
agreed. I have never watched an episode of doctor who in my life, but I still watched through all 5 hours of that video essay and it kept my attention and I throughly enjoyed it
I’ve never seen an episode of doctor who, but I’ve watched Jay’s video on it more times than I would like to admit
It is about the fall of modern western civilization or at least quite a large part of it.
Rather sad really.
That video popped back up in my recommended so I watched it for a second time, and the biggest feeling I left with both times was wanting to rewatch doctor who. Your video reminded me of what I loved about the series and the character. I think people have to understand the amount of love for a series to make a video like that. I find I’m often most critical of the things I love the most because they’re the things I’m most invested in and want to be even better.
I'm an engineer but I TOTALLY relate with the "working on a project for 4 months longer than you wanted to" thing! Cracked me up!
I listened to your 5 hour rant all week and I thoroughly enjoyed it! I'm glad you did it.
Lemme tell you: Madvocate did the same thing for The Flash
and Hbomberguy did it for both Sherlock and RWBY,
if not even his entire channel being the same concept.
So yeah, constructive Criticms gets more popular, that’s for sure, but let’s support it more by liking said videos and it’s comments and recommending fans of one of them the others, just like i do now (random as it may be).
Interesting comment about the Nazi section - Indians were considered to be in the sub-human class which was the same class as the Jews. Hitler did not believe that they were capable of governing themselves and was against any Nationalist movement started by Indians to fight the British.
So no, the article writer is incorrect. The Indian legion was simply using the anti-British sentiment in India to gain an additional fighting force for Germany in a different area of the world, it was NOT an act of respect.
The article writer wanted to sound clever but a quick web search will show you otherwise.
Yes exactly! Same idiots saying “LoOk It uP” didn’t bother to do actual research
Honestly 'there was indian nazis so this man is a nazi because he pointed out a dumb plot point regarding a skin color, and it's only because it's the skin color' is about what I'd expect of the type of arguments who'd resort to such tactics.
Hey remember in Schindler's List when the Nazis had a Jewish Police Service in the Ghetto ? I guess that means handing over Jews to the Nazis was no problem...you stupid article.
i wouldnt call myself an expert on the nazi's or anything but... the "they simply werent white supremicists" nearly made me fall out of my chair. where did this journalist get their history education? i really must know. TIK has a few good videos on their ideology and lists all his sources including some out of Hitlers own words.
@@MrEd8846 TIK is a terrible source. He has consistently demonstrated that he cannot distinguish between Capitalism and Communism as he views CZcams censorship as Communist due to the private sector advertiser's control over CZcams's content. CZcams has an obligation to make money and do whatever makes themselves advertiser friendly, which of course TIK interprets as State-Run Communism because he can no longer say what he likes on their platform.
TIK in his recent Stalingrad Pavlov's House video has compared the Nazi occupation of Stalingrad in 1942 with the current day Greater Manchester Police and Scotland Yard's treatment of London. If you don't believe me, check out his youtube comments on that video, he's not even joking, he doubles down and triples down on the idea that Scotland Yard are actual Nazis and is withholding evidence of this because he's afraid of being "purged". TIK is a ideological zealot, the information you get from him is heavily biased.
Imagine the guy who said "not all nazis were racist" and that "if people were just more educated about the history of nazis then this scene would have been fine" being the guy who is accusing the other guy of being alt right. Hilarious.
It's a bit weird they mentioned the Indian legion was made of pow as a good point. Like "obviously an Indian man could be a respected part of the nazis and not face terrible repercussions for his race and being a traitor. Goodness they had an legion of kidnapped brown men working for them under the threat of torture and death silly" 😳
Not all Germans were racist in WW2 though
Nazi doesn't equal German
@@istvanbrooks5319 well unless someone sneakily edited their messages I dont think anybody here equated Germans with nazis. It's a silly mistake to make, anyway. We all know that most nazis nowadays are American.
@@4dragons632 sadly true, how times had changed
I'd like to point out if the nazi's """asked""" you to be a nazi, you didn't really have a choice in the matter as your family was under a gun to obey. Similar to how in China now there are large state sanctioned repurcussions for going against the ccp. So not all nazi's were rasist, particularly in the lower levels where they were literally doing so to not be killed.
If anything, I was disappointed that it stopped at 5 hours. I loved the video, it was also the first video of yours that I watched. You do you! ❤️
Also, yes I know I'm a year late. Who truly understands the algorithm?..
They wouldn't have hated the dark skinned man because they had token Indian POWs is a WILD take.
its crazy how the same guys who attack that dude who apologized and called him a coward immediately block you for just responding to them
11:19 isn't it worrying that a journalist came to an incorrect conclusion on something, then spoke about it so confidently while admitting they haven't even researched the thing they're talking about?
Current journalism is like that now.
@@ZoddGuts Sad, but true
@@LJ101 plus its the guardian
I still can't forget the console review complaining it was bad because it had too many holes and could trigger people with a phobia of them.
it's worrying that people actually believe in journalists
24:36 The Indian Legion were POWs???????? Why would anyone use that as an argument. During WW2, German POWs were tortured for hours on end, and some even killed to be made examples of. The poor soldiers in the Indian Legion were probably given a choice - join the Legion, have some semblance of rights and freeze to death in Stalingrad, or get tortured to death in Colditz. It really pisses me off when people try and cite examples of things like this in history as their "aha! Checkmate!" moment, even with the knowledge of why it even existed.
First time hearing about this drama and I find it very interesting how some people just imagine a version of you that is basically just themselves but with a different opinion.
13:31 "Black characters don't need to have good writing you bigot"
There is no hope in humanity
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XD
Is that not supposed to be a joke?
@@eddiecoolbeans6901 Poe's Law in action.
It's almost like Twitter is garbage and shouldn't be paid attention in the slightest
Opinions on Twitter? Definitely. Art on Twitter? Definitely not
@@Sky_Cloud ??
@@themyofmy I’m saying there are a lot of talented artists and really good art on Twitter
Edit: and that the art should be paid attention to
@@Sky_Cloud based
Almost ?
I went into the video hoping it wouldn't just be 5 hours of misogyny, and I finished it feeling like I understood the art of character writing better✌️so really, great job! Definitely one of the best constructive critiques I've ever seen❤
Ur opinion is shait
I've watched your 5 hour doctor who vid like, 3 or 4 times now.
I love that the majority of the "criticisms" of your video amount to "I didn't watch the video, but I know that it's bad and I'm right".
"Hey, so what's bad about it? :)"
"Blocked."
"Ok, so you made a 5 hour presentation about the problematic changes of the new Doctor Who, but the new Doctor Who is a woman, so you're sexist."
@@zoltanvarga3109 Funnily enough, I'm pretty sure Jay never really mentions her gender as a critique in the whole 5 hours.
@@HoHhoch It just proves how these people don't have the slightest bit of knowledge of what the video contains.
@@HoHhoch He does. Entirely in relation to how it's bullshit that the first female doctor is shown as less composed and charismatic, and more emotional than previous male doctors.
I love the implications that Jay of all people would have a problem with a character that was previously perceived as male now presents as a woman. It takes a lot of not-doing-your-research to reach that conclusion.
Is Jay trans or is that just to see people react?
I mean they do have a Trans flag next to their Twitter name. Basically yes.
Same smooth-brained energy as those people who call YMS homophobic/alt-right. Why respond to the actual criticism when you can resort to cookie-cutter Ad hominem?
@@bigfanofsb653 And their second channel is called "Jay Exci, Empress of Milk"
@@sabrel4975 that sounds way more suggestive lol
I'm old enough to have seen every episode of Doctor Who and I think your 5 hour essay was great. It was informative and interesting to me as I was looking forward to seeing a female Doctor but became disillusioned with the writing and character development. You have summed up my feelings succinctly with great examples to prove the points you were making.
I can't understand blind faith in anything when it is obviously so bad.
"I also felt like I was just never gonna be done. Y'know the feeling you get when it's been like ten minutes, and you're still wiping"
Perfect.
I think this is the first time I've heard anyone arguing that the Nazis weren't THAT white supremacist. What the hell is this article talking about?
Now that I think about it, they did side with Japan. So now I'm confused. Why would they do that if they're racist? Maybe they just appreciated that Japan was also racist
@@theshire9173 No joke, the Nazi argument was that the Japanese were the Asian ubermench. Still pretty racist
They weren't, but were extreme German/Germanic Supremacists
Thing is, if my understanding of history is correct, that part of the article wasn't the problem. The racism of the Nazi's is not as cut and dry as is often assumed (please read; they were still incredibly racist); for instance, there were actually Nazi Jews. Based on my understanding of WW2, it is not inconceivable that a person of color rose to a position of military rank in the Nazi party... unfortunately the article then devolved into meaningless ad hoc strawman nonsense.
@@andrewbailey695 No that's not actually true. There were a lot of Jews that were members of the NSDAP who still got killed in the concentration camps, especially in the later stages when it was clear that the war was lost.
EDIT: and also, if your point is "The Nazis weren't actually that bad", WTF?! They literally killed MILLIONS of people.
"And then he blocked me..."
Sounds like a natural Twitter response when trying to converse with another person whose opinion conflicts with yours.
Hell, I do that preemptively. Its bad to judge a book by its cover (or a bio by it's dog whistles), but I kinda just want to enjoy the internet, and generic-possum-avatar people tend to kick up a stink over even tiny things
LONG FORM VIDEO ESSAYS?!!!! I’m FURIOUS at this genre that I just found out about and refuse to watch. You’re a bad person for not making content I want, and also for being furious that Doctor Who didn’t make content you want, which I assume is what you are doing. It’s what I’m doing and I can’t imagine anyone doing anything else. THANK YOU
I believe if anyone else made this 5 hour long video i would not have been able to watch it, but I've been seeing your critique videos for a few years now and what draws me in (aside from the humor added in) is your levelheadedness to the topics at hand. keep up the awesome work
Yes it was a bit long, but you got to consider the source material is a show that's lasted for 50 FUCKING years. So 1 hour a decade isn't so hard to swallow. I watched the whole thing, was worth it, and it wasn't repetitive.
Seriously, it's one of the longest running tv shows of all time, 5 hours might not be long *enough*.
1:23 Typing that someone is miserable while crying cuz he made 5 h video on youtube...
Jesus fcking Christ
isnt it closer to 60 years?
@@squibble311 I think its 57 years cuz if I m not wrong 50th aniversary was in last moths of 2013
If you can rant for five hours, that is f%%%ing amazing. Seriously, your Doctor Who video was amazing and spot on. In order for you to make that video, you had to be a HUGE fan of the product. You can't be that in depth on where the show has gone wrong without seeing just how right the show can be. I lost interest and wondered if I just grew out of it, so I went back and watched a Tennant episode and realized I still love what the show was, just not what it is now.
My boyfriend holds a neutral dislike of Doctor Who and he watched half the 5 hour video with me
... the latter half, after casually watching over my shoulder and being entranced.
Most 'rants', the non-structured kind, won't go on for 5 hours in general. You gotta meticulously plan for that
Only the original Longman @mauler can do 5 hour rants. In an unbridled rage.
@@SkepticalWaves And how awesome they are
When two channels you are subscribed to collide
i know this was a while ago but I am really sorry this happened to you, I can only imagine the frustration and sadness you must have been feeling!! keep up the good work :D
I wanna say I just finished watching your super long vid the other day during my Graveyard shift. Normally I just have music playing or 20 to 30 minute videos. The fact you kept me engaged and wanting to come back whenever I had to pause the vid just shows how good it was for me. You even admit at times when it gets something right or has an interesting concept. Ive only watched like 3 seasons worth of collective episodes. Enjoyed what I watched but no where near the fan you are. I can tell you care alot about it.
'There's a suspicious amount of female characters in fiction.'
- Person naming only three unrelated shows or films.
"This is getting out of hand! Now there are two of them!!!"
Is all I can hear in my head.
'There's a suspicious amount of female characters in fiction.'
I'm glad someone else noticed that! What's with that anyway? I'm afraid I've started to notice this weird trend in real life too... Why are there so many women??? What's the meaning of that? Politically correctness will kill us all!
/s
Let's count all the males and compare ☠
I like how the guy meant it as women are taking a man's role as main character and says wonder woman. Woman is in her name. Do u think it's gonna be a man. Also what is wrong with women for main roles
What's next, "there's a suspicious amount of female characters in real life"
"Why would I watch someone shit on somebody else's creativity for hate clicks?"
- person shitting on soneone else's creativity for hate clicks
I sure admit i dont know better
Doctor Who Coverage then Jay Exci...
...But i do wanna mention Critical Drinker and Hbomberguy. Let them be Honorable Mentions.
yea
No No its fine he said its okay so long as it isn't for 5 hours.
So he probably just wants Jay to make a 10 hour video i don't think it was the right amount of pandering for hate clicks
If its not clear thats a joke
The thing is, there are channels, accounts, etc. that regularly jump on a new trending thing just to get clicks off of inflammatory wording that criticises said thing in bad faith, and I personally find that kind of content bad for online discussion, clearly only meant to start bandwagons for those edgy few who hate things just because they're popular, but people aren't talking about those channels or posts, because they're too busy going after people like Jay for making coherent, good-faith critique videos with more than enough citations to prove their point.
It's because of this whole idea that nuance is apparently for the weak. Try having a fair conversation with someone on Twitter's who's convinced themselves that a creator has bad intentions, you can't, and you will drive yourself crazy in trying to do so. You have all the evidence on your side? Well, they're highly trained in mental gymnastics, you see.
Sorry for just going off under this comment, I just kind of have a personal thing against Twitter that I'm realising isn't so personal, after all.
@@cranberryrosebud the idea of nuance being for the weak is a piece of nonsense brand new to my ears, but then again I'm not on Twitter.
Mind telling me more about it? I'm genuinely interested. I always thought nuance is for the strong, because the complex stance is the difficult one.
i'm 3 min in and i understand how he could make a 5h video due to the amaunt of comedic pauses he does
He's definitely got a problem with that
i love how the 13th doctor is seen as this statement of representation that people are complaining about, when we've seen many many time lords change between genders (the master/missy, the soldier that 12 killed to save clara in series 9, etc)
That "I nodded but found myself liking the series anyway" response is something I f*ing love. Can we have more of that in everything???
ex-fucking-actly! there are plenty of shows, books, movies i LOVE that are (objectively speaking), poorly made, badly written, etc. i still love them, but i can fully understand and agree with a lot of critiques people have. it doesnt change my opinion of it, but i think understanding where people are coming from is really important
Ppl hate the idea of liking something that isn't well made cause they somehow tie liking that thing to their own self worth but its not deep like that.
I think one of the most important things Jay said (I don’t know if it was in the Doctor Who video) is that your enjoyment of bad things wouldn’t be diminished if it were actually good. Like, there are so many bits of media I love with plot holes and shitty quick characterization, but I wouldn’t love them less if there were no plot holes and fleshed out characters.
@@r00tan16 agree some of my fav movies are structurally bad by a view point of cinematography/pacing/scripts/active but l find are just so much fucking fun
ie
wild wild west
the league of extraordinary gentlemen
robocop remake
ect
and the best thing is l can handle if some one says they don't like it
@@LordAKiraAndou There's something to be said for a tv show/movie that is just fun, regardless of how well made it is.
"Having criticism is good. 5 hours of criticism sounds like a rant!"
So... is she indirectly calling out all those documentaries on Nazi's as rants, rather than valid criticism? Or about Women's suffrage? Or Slavery?
Are we now in the era of humanity where, "Anything long is bad, because I'm a lazy piece of crap and don't WANT to hear that I'm wrong" is a valid excuse?
Sometimes, you simply can't address a topic with sufficient nuance in a short clip. Sure there's presenters that pad out time with a lot of fluff, but that doesn't mean that long is always bad. It would be nice if things could be kept short, yes, but it's not always possible. By having a knee-jerk reaction to the discomfort of a long run time, there's the risk of missing out on important information.
"Slavery is GOOD! It gives inferior people a useful purpose!" -the CCP (the current potato in the White House agrees)
@@dakat5131 Exactly. People who want to shorten things will miss out on so much that cannot fit into it.
Yes. We have been conditioned to lack the ability to delay our own gratification. John Doyle type stuff. Big Doylism.
Pretty sure if you can't watch something in one sitting, there is always the option of taking a break and come back to it at any time. Even the most basic of things they cannot fathom anymore.
I'd so want people to realise that putting hours into a critique is not always just about the shit stuff, just like here Jay has that entire hope section. Contrast the discussion about this 5 hour review with Whitelight's 7 hour Death Stranding review that is filled with praise and awe while also managing to critique and understand and point out a few mistakes too. Critique is more often than not a neutral term. I don't think anyone would be capable of ranting on and on for 5 hours and still take themselves serious enough to post it, let alone edit it.
This 5 hour video was playing in my TV somehow literally all night and all day long. When it ended, I thought "it's over already? Aww...". It had such a big part of my life, I felt a gaping chasm when it finally ended. Now all I feel is a terrible emptiness.
There's a much simpler argument about the Nazi episode you could've said:
If the Nazis were fine with him being Indian and it wasn't a Problem, why would he need to use the Perception Filter in the First Place?
People on the internet
have embarassed themselves by not
watching this Video here and then pretending
to totally know what it contains.
What sheer embarassment.
To hide the beard, Nazis hated beards, they only liked tiny moustaches.
@@jonagreen7323 And it’s a black beard
@@jonagreen7323 I know this is a joke but it's hilarious imagery that the master decided that it will be easier to use clarketech to manipulate the collective consciousness of everyone around him to see him as Aryan, as opposed to just shaving
@@iiiivvvv9986 it took him a few weeks to grow that, he didn't want to lose his progress 😂
The really weird thing to me about seeing all those posts making really general criticisms that it must be a RANT or ANGRY or excessively critical or whatever because it’s 5 hours long is that I’ve seen like, all of *two* CZcams criticism videos that even approach that length: this one, and Twin Perfect’s “Twin Peaks explained” video which clocks in at like 4:40 or so. And *both* videos are really engaging and well-produced labors of love made by individuals with deep affection and love for the material they were covering. And I really can’t think of any other such criticism videos approaching that length that I’ve ever really seen seriously attempted.
21:48 I really hope someone saw the video in their feed when you changed the title for that clip and was just confused as shit why their was a 5 hour video in their recommended with a doctor who thumbnail with that title