WatchMojo Attempts to Argue Chibnall's Doctor Who is Good
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- čas přidán 28. 06. 2024
- WatchMojo has a video praising Chibnall's Doctor Who. They didn't do a very good job. Here is my response.
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"having a diverse cast isnt good enough, they also need to be able to act"
amazing that we literally have to spell that out lmfao
It’s a bunch of studio execs virtue-signalling to teenagers too young to understand the actual ideals of progressivism and so only come away with the superficial understanding of it. Basically, money-grubbing adults profiting off wannabe communist teens. What a world.
Sadly it is a problem with modern critics. No longer review the quality but whether a program has the right politics and is WOKE enough.
To be fair if a critic broke ranks and dared to give an accurate review of a WOKE show or film. They would have the twitter mob on them. So they just give it 4 or 5 stars and move on.
Diversity is really an excuse to make loads of shitty shows on the cheap. The actors themselves aren't even bad, but they're actively giving them shitty scripts and rush job shows because they're counting on diversity political correctness pandering will cover for it, which it does not. I feel really bad for the actors that got dragged into these messes, these director marketer fucks only see them as collectible race and sex trading cards. They're going into the Mcdonalds of acting and they really don't deserve this racist and sexist treatment from the directors and producers.
yeah, that was a headshot.
I thought it was LGBTQIA not LMFAO so many letters so little time.
You know, having the whole cast perform in black face and completely nude was a strange choice, but it got people talking
wut?
Doctor Dex I didn’t get it either
Can someone explain this
Doom Spidey basically he’s saying that just because people are talking about something to do with a show, doesn’t make it a good thing about the show, it just means people are talking about it. Watchmojo was saying that when it’s talked about a lot it makes it good
That'd be a good idea though.
The weirdest thing to me about praising the episode "Rosa" is that it is fundamentally flawed in its plot. The characters in the episode act as if Rosa made a spontaneous choice to sit in the front of the bus and if she didn't sit in the front of the bus at this one particular time, she might not ever do so. But... in actual fact, Rosa and her friends had planned to make this sort of statement. It wasn't a spontaneous act at all. She was choosing to sit in the front of the bus at this time, yes, but if she hadn't been able to do so on this particular date, she most likely would have done so at the next available opportunity and history would've gone on mostly as it otherwise did, with no real change at all. If you take that into account, then the whole plot of this story is nonsense.
You'll find that most Historical episodes in NuWho are merely inspired by the events they portray, such as in Tooth and Claw they renamed Victoria's guesthouse TORCHWOOD to have the plot work. I think it was Chibnal knowing that would have to be changed since it undercuts this "this is her choice." and showing the little group of the protesters was also showing the planning behind the CRM which Rosa kickstarted.
Also the fact that it kind of gives the message of "don't step in when you see people being racially abused". Not that the alternative (white characters stepping in and undermining a major act of the civil rights movement) is much better - the point being that they wrote themselves into a corner with no good moral outcome.
And Rosa Parks was not the first colored woman to do this and receive publicity. There was another before her, forget her name, but she was batshit crazy "cracker this, cracker that!" and the movement knew she could not be their spokesperson so we got Rosa instead of the first person to actually do it.
Ever considered Doctor Who to be a family entertainment format instead of being a f***ing documentary?
@@Balikon Well, if it's trying to be 'educational' or have a 'message' (which, imo, it's pretty clearly trying to do) then it needs to get some of its facts right, at least.
I'm so sick of people trying to argue this era is good. It's been an utter trash fire and as far as I'm concerned you lost the second the Master uttered "Its you. You're the Timeless Child." I would say WatchMojo have lost their marbles but they didn't have any to begin with.
I agree. Especially because I was still giving it a shot, because I thought The Timeless Child would be the Master (which would explain why he came back after Michelle Gomez dying). But they couldn't resist the clout points...
@dr103 writing can objectively be bad that can be analysed, people can like it as much as they want but its just not
@dr103 i dread to see what you think are good shows
@@PwnZombie that is fact no one can argue about
@dr103 something is not good if it cancels out major plot points of the whole show, season 12s ending completely makes the ending of the time of the doctor unimportant, if the doctor is the timeless child and has unlimited regenerations then why was the doctor given more by the time lords, it would be pointless. Just that one episode did an insane amount of damage to thr integrity of the show and its past events, and there are still 9 more episodes in that season and 19 more episodes in the rest of thr Chibnall Era. You can't say that it isn't bad.
When Capaldi said, "Doctor, I let you go", he meant it
God damn
Bruuuuuuh
it why he dont wanted regenerate
"Letting go of the (his) Doctor is so hard."
Damn Moffat is psychic
“We’re going to make Doctor Who really diverse and inclusive... then only give characterisation to the one white male in the show”
Still waiting on that Yaz episode.
@@christopherbennett5858 I think the episode where they meet Yaz's grandparents was ment to be her episode, but the highlight for me was still Graham's conversation with her grandfather when he knew he was going to die and not anything Yaz did.
Exactly. They should be called out for it they added them in to check them off the list not because they actually wanted to feature them.
@@scalpingsnake Yeah. It should be because you want to write them in, not because you feel like you have to.
Yaz is a police officer but we don't get much action girl like Ace or, weirdly enough, Gwen Cooper.
Ryan has gotten better but its his daddy issues that annoyed people.
If they wanted to do the group right, first recruit Ryan, then Yaz and Graham. Not all at once.
@@christopherbennett5858 Yeah they had too much to do with not enough time. To be honest though it's hard for me to say what they could do better when everything was so bad. They could give main characters more... character but the writing, the bad guys, the 'diversity' still sucks that bad that I see no hope.
The thing that I find funny is that they try to be all diverse but the best written character is Graham, an old white man lmao
Yeah cos he was written by an old white straight man. Chris can’t write characters who aren’t yt men.
@@thatdoctorwhofanatic1153 Oh please; Chris can barely even write those characters well.
That's because the "diverse" characters didn't need to be actual characters to fit the bill of "diverse." All they needed to be was a minority. It takes effort to give them personalities and character traits, and why put forth effort when you can just check the "diversity" box instead?
@@thatdoctorwhofanatic1153Is yt a tankie-specific term because I've only ever seen it used by tankies
I think half the reasons Graham works better than everyone else is that when clearly there's absolutely no support being given to the actors to provide a good performance, the person who is being asked to play their own personality is always going to look better than the others.
Honestly the Timeless Child thing could have worked with one tweak - have The Master be the timeless child. Not only would it kind of explain how he keeps coming back after supposedly permanent deaths, but having him be the founding father of the Time Lords would inflate his ego, push his sense of entitlement to the edge and make him incredibly bitter and angry at the Time Lords for erasing his memories and robbing him of his destiny and place in history.
That's actually a fantastic idea! (Although I have zero confidence that the current writers could have pulled it off) it still would have been way more interesting! It also wouldn't have been so predictable. Literally, when those flying rag things first said "The Timeless Child", the first thought I had was "Oh, so that's the Doctor, right?" It took me a while to realise that the identity of the Timeless Child was supposed to be a mystery.
That would literally have been perfect, literally if they just swapped that to him and kept his character even almost exactly the same, it would have actually explained a lot, been far less character robbing, and inflated a lot of his already present and beloved character traits. You know rather than just giving 11’s finale the middle finger.
@@ellerymerrilycelery it can easily be swapped to be the master, if they do it properly. It can also be another reason why he hates the time lords because he was constantly experimented on
That or I also really like the suggestion that they should have made the doctor the scientist who experimented on the timeless child which would give a reason for them to have run away and start helping people across the universe, as atonement, still coulda used the memory erasal thing as a reason for why the doctor didn't know about the timeless child because the family of blood episodes show that the doctor still gets glimpses of memories and emotions even while their memory is gone
Or, get this, since we _love_ the Classic Series... Make Susan the Timeless Child. Not only would you have an explanation for why the Doctor left Gallifrey with his "granddaughter", but we also have a possible explanation about the promise. "Never cruel or cowardly, never give up, never give in, and if you ever do, always make amends" could possibly be a promise for Susan, as if he was promising never to hurt her again.
I think the worst thing about season 11 was the fact that every single episode boiled down to the same moral "It's the humans who are the real monsters" After you had seen 3 episodes you knew exactly where all the others were heading.
Thats one of the things.Where is the satan as villain when you need him
@@lop90ful1 Where were you when the Doctor faced off against S a t a n ?
@@Ryu1ify I did see it.thtas why i mentioned it. One of my favorite episodes tbh right next to when ttardis got a body
@@lop90ful1
I liked it when the tardis gets a body.
The episode about Not-Amazon that had the moral of "actually corporations are cool and good" was a bit out of place, at least.
Shame about that moral
Am I the only one who legit forgot about Ryan’s Dyspraxia because it literally was never used again?
Oh no a ladder, I might have difficulty climbing up this.
Oh OK, it was fine.
Everyone forgot, including the writers. It's such a random thing to give a character anyway. What was the thought process? We want one of the new characters to have some sort of disability but we can't have them in a wheelchair or something because the show requires a lot of running.
I don't know anything about this condition but I have seen people online who say they have it saying that he shouldn't be able to run as easily as he does and that bit where he's shooting the laser gun (or whatever) wouldn't be possible either.
So they picked a totally random thing then did no research and had no follow-through. Lazy.
As a dyspraxic, at first i was like "cool, some representation for something hardly anyone knows about" and then after that does a load of stuff that would be very difficult for a dyspraxic person
@@ThisCharmlessMan I know, they really phoned that in didn't they. Like a lot of things like that it only comes up when it can add drama to the story. Most of the time they seem to forget all about it.
What’s dyspraxic
“You know Amy when anytime someone calls attention to the breaking of gender roles it ultimately undermines the concept of gender equality by implying that this is an exception and not the status quo.” - Knuckles from sonic boom
Sonic Boom was extremely based
There's a point about tokenism in there, sure, but if gender equality were the status quo, there'd be no need to do it in the first place. There are exceptional gender roles, that's not a good thing, but it is the reality. It can be undermining, but it's not inherently devaluing the concept of gender equality every time anyone calls attention to the breaking of gender roles.
Sonic Boom was so much better then it ever deserved to be
@@GuruJudge21 is a joke
Also, note that knuckles is supposed to be the dumb character, implying that this is something anyone should be able too figure out
What's ironic is often in film & television once the visual budget goes up, the story telling goes down...
Complacency, I guess
@@ContentConfessional Yeah, it's a huge problem in video game industry as well. Most of the recent AAA games are nothing but pretty looking walking simulators with zero room for player expression, and have as much depth as the morning dew on a window. Even a so-called "masterpiece" like RDR2 is designed in such a way that it practically plays itself.
@@bergonath8851 "As much depth as the dew on a window" - very poetic. I like your turn of phrase.
Game of Thrones to a fucking T
@@backdrop8469 no that was just dumb and dumber being terrible at writing their own story and not adapting a book series
"We are not dealing with reality!"
*Some dude just appears out of nowhere*
Frederik Mortensen Reading this as that clip came up was weird.
How can I find that episode/clip?
I think it's from The Ultimate Foe.
Influent Biscuit also in the video it’s at 5:02
@@influentbiscuit2046 It's from the last episode of "Trial of a Time Lord". The "Dude" that just appears is the Valeyard.
"Doctor Who was getting more and more complicated"
I hate to say this but if you struggle to understand Doctor Who you might have a bigger problem.
I don't understand that. Doctor who stories and series arcs always come to a conclusion, it's not like they're having to incorporate everything that's previously happened.
To be fair, the Silence arc was kinda weird and all over the place.
@@cayden6057 I still don't understand that arc.
@ari volden
The silence exist on earth. They also exist somewhere else, and form the church of the silence. Their name is a reference to the silence that must fall before the Doctor speaks his name, which is predicted to cause the end of the universe. They propped up humanity into developing space tech to adhere to the already established timeline of the doctor being killed by a spaceman. That whole thing was already established to have happened, so everything the Silence did until that point was working to preserve the timeline so the doctor is killed.
We see in one episode what happens when he isn't killed, which is that one where all of human history condenses into a single moment, which is stopped when he is "killed".
However, the doctor saw this coming, and used the time-travelling shape-shifting robot to assume the appearance of his death, then fled the whole thing while alive and having preserved the timeline and broadcasted a recording of the Silence saying to kill them all. The Silence work based on unconscious suggestion, their ability to erase themselves doesn't extend to what they tell you, so they implant things. Them saying "kill us all" is basically mental programming for the entirety of humanity embedded in the moon landing recording. That clip exists in that glitch in the recording between "one small step for man" and then there's the noise, and then "one giant leap".
In the end, the Silence failed their task and the doctor survived to speak his name and eventually end the universe as they knew it.
@@JRexRegis Thanks for the explanation, and I can see how I missed that.
When I watched Season 11 the first thing that came to mind was "oh shit, did Disney buy Doctor Who", it came off as something that was trying really hard to be family friendly rather then a good sci-fi show
@Stellvia Hoenheim i should have said DISNEY family friendly, more of a family show rather then a Time Lord and his companions traveling the cosmos
i mean the docter even calls her companions "Fam"
It was somewhat family friendly, but could get pretty unforgiving. I think in one episode a preteen girl got eaten by a demon. Offscreen, but still.
@@ghidorah4695 true but it still gave me the impression of a terrible Disney adaptation
@@mlordwhiteslayerfromf.u.g 😬
Every watch mojo video sounds like an essay a 7th grader wrote in the middle of the night with no preparation.
This is accurate. That, or that experience of forgetting to do your homework and furiously scribbling your report on a scrap of paper in the 20 seconds before the teacher walks around to collect it.
That’s watchmojo.
The brilliant thing about the previous doctors in NuWho has been the fact that the Doctor puts on this facade of being odd and fun, but underneath that he has a dark side that you see come out in Family of Blood or A Good Man goes to War. He's got a lot of pain, anger and regret, which the companions help him deal with. The 13th Doctor has the odd side, but doesn't have the layers beneath it, so it just comes across as hollow.
Omg yes!!!
That may be because Whitaker never watched Who before she got the part. She doesnt know or understand the Dr's character
@@DMG0011 Smith never really watched it before he got the part, his first audition and the general goofy feel of the character were established early immediately and only then did he go and watched the show, including lots of classic episodes. I think that's a really good approach because it gives the actor the opportunity to find the broad direction of their character without being tempted to copy but can also make lots of small improvements based on the lore and other peoples interpretations.
The "Time Lord Victorious" speech is one of the high points of Who, new and old. You need an actor who can deliver a sudden burst of real menace and power. One that can make the Doctor seem like a force of nature that will just roll right over you without noticing.
@@kathrinlindern2697 didn't Jodie just look at a book of notes that Chibnall loaned her? (Thats what I heard her say in an interview)
Comparing almost 50+ years old special effects to modern CGI. GENIUS.
You mean almost 60 years old. The 60th is in three years.
and yet they still shoot the modern CGI in the same way, which makes it look stupid. As a fan I'm obviously willing to look past odd-looking attempts at special effects (I actually really appreciate some early efforts, just for their baffling ingenuity), but wow. If you know it still looks bad, but are trying to improve it...why not improve the way it's shot then? Don't show bad CGI in full light, that sort of thing.
Gonroamin Gonwanderin yeah um why do people do this?😅 special effects don’t make a show. Personality and story do
Gracekim1 that’s not entirely true, bad special effects can make it hard to enjoy a show for many. They’re pretty important and when done great add a lot to a show
@@gracekim25
I so agree. Plotlines need to be partially driven by characteristics of the characters and characters need to be people we care what happens to them. The emotional attachment can be that we like to wish them bad things to happen to them or like to wish good things to happen to them and we care about how they feel about what is going on.
Writing that looks like a checking off the boxes is not going to do this. In real life, I worked at a company that had no black employees and then suddenlybwe had a black manager. We had no problem having a manager who was black. [We you will note had not been able to say who was hired, not even if each of us had been hired.] They hired a black manager who could not manage and he said we should organize the cigarettes we sold alphabetically instead of by how much each brand normally sold. We politely explained why this was very unlikely to work well or at all. We had 6 weeks of pure hell each time a customer tried to buy cigarettes and we had other bad events where we could not sell product and had unnecessary hassles because he rearranged successful ways of doing things. In a making fictional tv setting, just putting in a ******** character because the character is ******** does not mean adding diversity in a good way. We needed a manager who could manage or who could understand that we needed to be able to find the brand of cigarette quickly to sell cigarettes. The character should be interesting and worth the time on screen, the character should not be on the screen because they are nonwhite and non heterosexual or whatever.
Yes I know saying this makes me a target to be called hateful and racist. Well, when the white make was automatically the hero this interfered with good story telling and not fixing the bias but just reversing the angle of the bias interferes with good story telling also. If every white male character is rude or not capable of coming up with a good idea or is ineffective, then the writer has not made the nonwhite look better, but has suggested that they can not compete.
I really wanted Graham to be the main companion.
Having the dynamic with a young doctor and an older companion had so much potential.
uhhhh wilfred?
@@Pinhoof love Wilfred but I mean a full series
Jodie ain't young though unless you're an old fart lol. She doesn't even look young, she looks her age. David and Matt both looked allot younger than her.
Certainly helped that Bradley Walsh was by far the most competent actor of the main characters
@@galanakagalactus903She’s not exactly old… she was 35 when she got the role. Tennant was only a year younger.
"A new character suffered from Dyspraxia"
No he didn't, like, he just occasionally has it but then he will not have it if we want him to be so good at a videogame that he can snipe out a bunch of robots.
In other words, the term "Dyspraxia" was written down on a notepad next to his name, and then they got the characters to say it a few times, just in case the audience forgot while he was acting like a normal, unaffected person.
@@cranberryrosebud Honestly it's not like you can always tell someone has dyspraxia on sight. So you know, should be pretty easy to, like, not write him being a perfect marksman and doing all sorts of athletic stuff.
@@HyenaDandy But the ACTION! People learning how to deal with struggles in order to save the world isn't interesting, we need them to forget them to do it, so the action scenes are low-stakes and bland, duh...
@@cranberryrosebud True. It's such a shame that the show didn't write in a character who would have reason to be in good shape and have at least some degree of combat skills, so that they could do that instead of Ryan. Someone who might have reason to regularly engage in physically strenuous activity, like a law enforcement officer or something. Shame that there are none of those :(
@@HyenaDandy If only Ryan had called one at the beginning...though, then again, that wouldn't be in character for an action hero that can handle everything himself, so I guess it makes sense.
SPOILERS:
While watching season 12, I noticed something, especially in praxeus and the episode that comes after. The conflict resolution isn’t clever in any way. They just fix the problem. There’s a dangerous disease, so they just... make a cure. They accidentally released a evil space god from prison, so... they just... put the space god back in prison. By throwing the prison at them
I know. The old show and even the reboot (before now) would have clever solutions. Like in "The Sun Makers" when the Doctor through the bad guy's profit calculations off and made him freak out and shrink away. That scene is memorable and smart. Nothing they have come up with is either.
Or remember that time where the doctor killed some sun god with a leaf in like season 7 was it?
@@sapphirestarblazer6805 No, I really don't. The closest I can think of is the Tom Baker episode "The Sun Makers" where he defeated the alien threat by inputting something in its profit calculations that threw them off and made them think they were losing money.
The whole thing made it revert into its natural form and go into its special chair where they plugged the hole but it didn't die.
@@guccifer764 maybe it was like it overflowed? The doctor filled up the cup to the top, but it was killing him, so the leaf just pushed it over the edge
Then the finale of season 12 was really "keeping to the classics".
Series 11: It's made for new audiences, everyone can start watching from the first episode.
Series 12: MASTER, CYBERMEN, DALEKS, THE TIMELESS CHILDREN, MATRIX, CHAMELEON ARCH, JACK HARKNESS, GALLIFREY, TIME LORDS, UNIT, TORCHWOOD, FOUNDING FATHERS OF GALLIFREY
It kinda reminds me of the new Star Wars, they started off alright, if only because they were copying the original but as soon as they fell apart and the audience started being critical they immediately pivot to nostalgia bait. Seems like the same sort of thing happened here.
The timeless children was shite
Wait they brought Torchwood back? Wow, that's some monkey's paw-esque tomfoolery. I wanted Torchwood, but not Chibnall's Torchwood...
All, unfortunately, turned to shite. Not too sure what your point was, or, indeed, if there was one.
@@blackpeter70 I think Gilberto was pointing out that on series 12, they had nothing new, they just brought back already existing villains.
Please stop defending Rosa. _Please stop defending Rosa. The "she was just tired" narrative is malicious revisionism._ The Civil Rights Movement was no accident and certainly not something that needed the help of British time travelers to get started. It _hurts_ me every time you say it wasn't that bad.
thank you
Not only that, but it undermines the actions of everyone else fighting for civil rights by implying that it was all thanks to Rosa Parks. She was a great woman, but that's a disgusting message to spread.
@@guinevereemilysummers9945 Exactly!!
Insert Propaganda Relating To This Topic Here
something something theres only one country that exists
@@guinevereemilysummers9945 Like they show Martin Luther King in that same episode so idk what they were even trying to do.
The one good thing this did for me was give me more confidence in my own scriptwriting. I want to be showrunner some day- if Chibnall could get in, can't I?!
Chris Chibnall has given me the confidence to apply for my Wattpad fanfictions to be broadcast on the BBC. Because anyone can do better than Chris ‘Sex Gas’ Chibnall
If he can in then you could literally lose her brain and still qualify
I didn’t find his series bad though. And I’m a stickler when things don’t meet my entertainment requirements. Some people unironically liked it.
@@StarLight-hg5xt Yeah, I'm not gonna go around telling people what they're allowed to enjoy
@@thesandwich5321 :) that’s lovely
I miss the wobbly sets and the shitty alien designs. Back when they actually cared for storytelling
We all do
The Campness was part of its charm.
you can put lipstick on a pig. you can put the pig in a prom dress. but you cant make me david cameron. I just hope big finish fixes jodies doctor in the audios and retcons away that god damned timeless child.
You mean you think that New Who wasn't worth it? U gotta be kidding.
@@jerichogonzales1290 I'm still not watching timeless child for the sake of not ruining my childhood
"Thank heavens for" and "Chris Chibnall" are two parts of a sentence that should never meet.
Unless you put "the death of" between them.
@@ridwana4037 or "taking that bullet for Steven Moffat." afterwards.
Everytime I try to say it, I projectile vomit for up to fifteen minutes.
The only thing I liked Chris Chibnall make, in terms of Doctor Who, was when he made those 'Pond Life' shorts.
Maybe "Thank heavens for (Writer) for taking over after Chris Chibnall"
For the diversity point, in season 9 there was a character called Cass who was deaf and did a better job at conveying her motivations and emotions than the blind girl, all while not fucking speaking. They did it right there! That character was great! Why couldn't they have done the same with the blind girl?
Wait, which episode?
@@Nixahma season 9 episode 3
i completely agree! plus cass was shown to be a deaf woman who was ALSO in charge and clever and compassionate. the blind girl didn't have any character at all (to the point where we don't even remember her name because her character can be boiled down to "blind girl"). it's okay to have characters who need more help than others but even then, nightmare in silver had a blind character, ada, who did need to learn to stand up for herself and needed more help than other characters but STILL had character traits apart from being blind and actually made decisions that moved the plot forward because she was treated like an actual character, not just a token blind girl.
There was so much memorable stuff about Under the Lake and Before the Flood, but holy crap Cass was such a highlight
Not only was she a deaf and extremely competent character, her role was a major emotional setpiece by the end of the two partner that genuinely made my heart skip a beat a little. Props to her actress because without speaking a word, she just ate up every scene she was in.
@@johnernest5843 exactly! Cass is one of my favourite side characters from doctor who for that reason, she was really well written
"It was praised on social media..."
Must have missed that.
They mean tumblr
@@davidduran1124 Tumblr didn't praise the fucking thing either.
@@killgarraghforever 4chan?
@@AlinaAniretake What's that?
@@killgarraghforever oh you sweet, innocent timeless child)
“Sacrifices with real payoffs”
Me, remembering the Doctor now has infinite regenerations and will literally live forever: suuuure...
People get used to Trash-Quality.
Very visible with Star Trek, Doctor Who
and Pokemon.
...People start to forget...
@@loturzelrestaurant too be fair Pokémon Is aimed at children
@@christopherallenjr7241 Its actually not...
@@christopherallenjr7241 Thats just a common misconception; even Gamefreak knows nothing about their Fanbase.
Not to mention Trash-Quality excused with "Its just children, so its ok" is a very, very dangerous mindset. Very, very wrong and very, very unhealthy, tbh.
Children do actually NOT deserve Quality of Trash-Level; thats what gamefreak worryingly wants you to think, but none of it is rooted in Reality.
@@loturzelrestaurant after what hung a review of sword and shield I totally agree with you but you’ve gotta remember shit or not thousands of kids are still gonna buy it.
Honestly, I wouldn't even agree that "the effects are good." Sure, the CGI looks pretty top-notch, but that hardly matters to me when all of the cinematography is static and boring and the color palette is some variation of grey and brown (even colorful scenes feel brown!). Every moment I see a critique video jump from the new season to an earlier rendition, it feels like a relief to my eyes--give me dodgy practical effects with proper camera work and well-executed color over this visual boredom any day of the week.
I think the colour brown is an adequate descrption of this series.
Wow you’re honestly so right
That's not really true. I actually do appreciate video games and movies for good graphics. For example, check out Hunter Island or Jurassic World Evolution. For these games, despite their great stories, characters, and mechanics, theit graphics are easily in my top 10 reasons that those games are actually really good.
@Imaru Lewis give the CGI ten years and then this season's cgi will look bad.
@Ethan Seward yes, during the Moffat era, the colours were much more vivid. Cinematography is pretty good now, but it looks so colour-washed now.
My family watched doctor who since Christopher Eccleston every weekend, every special, pretty much everything. It just died off with season 11 which makes me sad as doctor who has pretty much been my childhood
Russel T Davies is returning
I know it’s sad at the time but doctor who is such an expansive sandbox of a show that as long as it doesn’t get cancelled (again) i always have faith that it’ll get better
15:10 Jodi is 10 but forgot how to do emotion, 11 but forgot to show the underlying rage and 12 but forgot literally everything Capaldi brought including being Scottish
It's really just sad because I got the feeling that if she was given good writing that she could actually be good. She's one of the few that I feel could pull the Tom Baker-style eccentrically mad look. Right after regenerating I got that 4th doctor crazy-eyes vibe from her... then everything went down the drain.
I agree with your Jodie point. I think she is quite capable of being a decent doctor but the script is not letting her do that. It is like they are relying heavily on companions in doing the job for her like reacting in the certain way to her character rather than letting her to have her own characteristic moments. Or - my theory is - they don't know how to write strong female character.
It is just flat. Like they 've erased not just "timeless child personality" from her but erased all the other experience previous doctors had.
She cant act, one she wouldn't do another accent because she is incapable and 2, one look only one look EVER. Constipation face
she was not a fan of the show before and didnt know the history of the character, she was also advised not to go back and watched past eps of the show to get a feel. so the script was not the only thing letting her down.
Like at least Colin Baker's doctor had personality. It was a shitty personality but it was memorable
@@sullygroot924 She nailed the basics of the Doctor that she was allowed to portrayal.
It is not her fault that the script said "Never go beyond concerned".
There is not much acting one can do when the script gives you nothing to act as.
Tell the people who play Cyberman that they can't act, because the emotional range the Doctor had in the script is about as wide.
British
I would argue that Capaldi also got bad scripts and still did phenomenally well. A good actor will make the best of a bad script, regardless. See Ewan McGregor in the Star Wars prequels, for instance. He had a pretty flat script with (for lack of a better word) cringey dialogue, but still put a drive and emotion behind his lines that a less talented actor would not be able to achieve. Capaldi did this too, but Whittaker just doesn’t. I’ve mentioned in a few CZcams comment sections before that Jodie seems to be attempting to pull of something Tennant or Smith-esque with some of her speeches and quite blatantly not doing a good job at it. The one the sticks out to me is her speech in “It Takes You Away” (loved more and lost more). The dialogue itself seemed very reminiscent of Smith’s “Rings of Atkahen” speech but feels flat by comparison, and doesn’t have the same drive behind it, and same goes for a lot of the dialogue that is meant to be ‘powerful’. Don’t get me wrong, no hate to Whittaker; she can act well - her other performances (Broadchurch and Trust Me) have been great - but I think she lacks the quirkiness and the style to pull of the Doctor in all his/her alien epicness. I just don’t think Jodie was the right fit for this character.
WatchMojo: “They had new villains!”
Cybermen: “We’d like to re-introduce ourselves for the season finale.”
WatchMojo: “. . .”
Don't forget that "Resolution", the series 11 New Years Special was about a Dalek.
That- that wasnt a Darlek. That was a squid or tentacool. And what was the shell armour. Last time I checked, a darlek was a blob with a few stubs inside a trash can with a plunger and whisk
Also Timshaw just felt like a bad knockoff Davros.
lol what doctor who series doesn't have new villains for fuck sake😂😂
cybermen have been in every other season finale since series 8
also always accompanied by the master.
i feel like they just accidentally keep doing it
What show (that isn't based on a comic or something) doesn't have new villains? That is such a low bar that nothing has ever failed to get over it.
I'm gonna be honest with you, I suffer from dyspraxia, and Ryan's portrayal was horrible, he can't ride a bike but he can shoot a gun and do other things perfectly. The dyspraxia is only thrown in every now and then (at most 4 times) which isn't realistic because dyspraxia isn't something that just turns on and off and in other instances it's used to make scenes more tense like "oh no, Ryan can't climb this ladder and escape because he has dyspraxia" like we can climb ladders lmao, if you aren't gonna represent us right then just don't, we don't need your rubbish pandering
Its amazing how chibnail has selective memory he dosnt remember any strong black charectors yet we had martha jones who walked the earth to defeat the master and captain mugumbo who led a UNIT squadron and no strong female leads? We had sarah jane nyssa martha leela plus ace
There's also Brigadier Winifred Bambera from "Battlefield".
"Doctor... I let you go"
This is where canon DW stopped for me, I'm done with this show until it gets a retcon.
Capaldi was good. He did starts to get a bit virtue signally towards the end of his last series when bill was introduced.
@@VoxelMusic Even with the clear virtue signalling, his final series still managed to be decent imo. Twice Upon a Time suffered for its treatment of the First Doctor but one can easily come up with a decent headcanon as to *why* the First Doctor was saying the shit he was, whether it was because he was messing with Twelve's head or if he was only talking like that for the benefit of the WWI-era captain that was in the scene every single time the First Doctor said something sexist. Either explanation is valid.
Series 11 and 12 don't have any excuses for how terrible they are. The show right now only has three very shallow redeeming qualities imo: the new police box design, the opening titles/theme music, and the Master shrinking people again. Not really enough to give it high praise, you know?
I loved Capaldi, he had some shit eps, but he did great with pure shit and absolutely was golden when he had quality. Heaven Sent is 100% my favorite episode of all Who I've seen to date... which is all of New Who, 1st Doctor, and half of 2nd. I have a lot more to watch- but as of now? That was amazing and it was pretty much Capaldi talking to himself and walls with only a handful of exceptions.
That said I refuse to accept the stupid Timeless Child shit, and my brain will reject any mention of that, or any story line around that until it's over, done, and never mentioned again... Hartnell was the first Doctor, Doctor Who would never have lasted if he, and Troughton, weren't so God damn amazing. I love Hartnell, he starts off as a total arrogant asshole who slowly starts becoming a better person due to his first companions that he totally kidnapped against their wills at the start.
I thought I found Clara telling him what TARDIS to take offensive to him, and stripping him of his incarnation's importance to the series... I nearly had a stroke with the Timeless Child reveal.
Exactly, For me the doctor finally died after convincing 1st doctor to regenerate
The show should've ended with Capaldi refusing to regenerate and getting his peace at last, would've been better than whatever we got. I don't even want to watch anything past Season 10
I've come to the conclusion that: *Representation without good characterization, like faith without works, is dead.*
It's nice to include diversity in art but you have to actually do the work and make characters *INTERESTING* . Why? Because diverse characters are still characters and deserve well-rounded writing.
Diversity without the works is purely tokenism and an insult to the community they're trying to represent.
Bryan great example: avatar the last airbender
@@Delta-ei7im in what way do you mean? because avatar has a diverse cast and all the members of team avatar are useful and have their own character arcs. the most threatening and scary villain in the show is a teenage girl, and she isn't relegated to only having girl vs girl fights.
Awesomely put, love the inclusion that Christianity got here, I've noticed society has really been trying to shove that aside.
Correct, writing by checking off the boxes is just barely writing and is not good writing.
I think Bill is a good example of this, she was lesbian but she was a character before she was lesbian
I find it so funny that Chibnal tries to tick every diversity box with there characters. Then most liked character is graham.
"I think, personally, just having a diverse cast isn't good enough. They have to also be able to act." God yes.
I have a feeling that he doesn't like the new Dr who.
Nah I don’t think your right
Got any evidence to back up your theory?
@Phimosis Jones I'll be sure to check that thoroughly
I have a feeling that he is feeling some kind of way.
@@sherlocksmuuug6692 Ah, fuck you, you beat me to it. Have a good day!
WatchMojo is definitely quality, it's just as good as the newest doctor who season
Wait...
No wonder Stardew Valley uses the WatchMojo logo for their evil corporation.
The narration in WatchMojo I find painful, it comes off as patronising and they needlessly overexplain things with a dragged-out introduction.
@@tardiskeeper6 it's like the narrators had to read the same shit for the 10th time
The sad thing is that all the major actors really liked the show, and like they tried to do what they could with the stuff they had. But oh god, they didn’t have anything to work with
Watch-Mojo is a g-damn-flippidy-damn Shame.
They argue that Doctor Who is now more awesome
than ever and that makes them all cringe.
And on a closely related note: 'Sherlock is Epic' also makes me cringe HARD.
I cant believe even after the laughable Season
4 that woke so many people up,
people still genuinly have the Delusion that Sherlock was Epic.
I strongly recommend people to
watch the Sherlock-Docu of 'Hbomberguy',
a really good CZcamsr.
His Video about Sherlock are based on objective
facts and he provides logic and/or sources.
He sadly goes too much into Moffat as a Creator,
so the first Half of the Video is rather non-sherlock-related,
but very fortunately: It does no harm (even does good) if you
just skip the first Half and get right into it.
I recommend it MUCH.
Sorry for the long comment!!
"Thank heavens for new showrunner Chris Chibnall." There's a sentence you don't hear often.
I love how everyone didn't really like moffat but now we realized how ungrateful we were when we got chibnall
*Edit* this was just about how i noticed people complained about him it's not that i thought he was bad.
Never thought I'd miss Moffat so much.
@@darrensmith8730 s ame
Its a choice between bad and having some good parts or bad with worse parts
Darren Smith I thought Moffat was great with a doctor for a couple of seasons but like we saw with Sherlock he starts to run out of ideas. For 11 seasons 5 and 6 were really good (especialy 5) but for the most part series 7 was pretty poor except for angle take Manhattan. Then series 8 and 9 were amazing, but 10 just didn’t hold up to them.
@@HayterProductions I think a new direction was definitely needed, just someone better than Chibnall.
As someone who has dyspraxia, I’d didn’t feel represented I felt pandered to at best, exploited at worst.
Fat mood. I've never gotten tested for dyspraxia, to be fair, but I am autistic with sensory processing issues, so whether or not what I have is dyspraxia or just extreme clumsiness, I can definitely relate to a lot of issues faced by people with issues related to co-ordination etc.
Azure Griffin I’ll be honest I had a good chuckle every time he fell off that bike I’ve got dyspraxia but I can still ride a bike for Christ sakes
@@burntgrahamcracker2866 as can I. My dad made sure of that.
Wipeout325 I have dyspraxia as well and it's a very difficult thing to live with, having to make sure I make eye contact, making sure I don't look too socially awkward and being clumsy. Ryan isn't socially awkward at all, plays sports and calls not being able to ride a bike once 'dyspraxia' what was wrong with getting a dyspraxic, GOOD actor
@@ODogMcGee dysplasia:
the presence of cells of an abnormal type within a tissue, which may signify a stage preceding the development of cancer.
Yes, because playing demographic bingo and ticking every social justice box is truly the hallmark of writing excellence. My eyes could not possibly roll back further in my head.
when you said it gonna be very long I didn't expect it to be 5 hour long...
Never thought I’d ever hear anyone say:
‘Thank heavens for new show runner Chris Chibnall’
Watch-Mojo is a g-damn-flippidy-damn Shame.
They argue that Doctor Who is now more awesome
than ever and that makes them all cringe.
And on a closely related note: 'Sherlock is Epic' also makes me cringe HARD.
...I strongly recommend people to
watch the Sherlock-Docu of 'Hbomberguy',
a really good CZcamsr.
His Video about Sherlock are based on objective
facts and he provides logic and/or sources.
He sadly goes too much into Moffat as a Creator,
so the first Half of the Video is rather non-sherlock-related,
but very fortunately: It does no harm (even does good) if you
just skip the first Half and get right into it.
I recommend it MUCH.
Sorry for the long comment!
"Thank goodness for new show runner Chris Chibnall"
Said no true Doctor who fan ever.
I liked Torchwood...
@@benjamincooper358 as I recall he wrote the largely disliked episode Cyberwoman. And his prior dw episodes were sub par at bestbuy
@@madeleine5561 Well, I like Torchwood, to a degree, as long as I skip Cyberwoman. That episode is hot garbage, on par with Orphan 55.
@@benjamincooper358 not surprising considering Chibs the idiot was involved. Anything he touches basically becomes mediocre or worse. I never really got into Torchwood but I've heard its good. I was just saying Chibs episodes were rubbish. Though I doubt anything beats orphan 55 on the garbage scale. Although timeless children basically single handedly killed DW the show.
Gatekeeper
"unless people face facts, and accept reality, catastrophe is coming"
but.... but doctor, you've been to the end of time, you know that humans live and overcome everything, thats why you love them.
you love them because you know that they will face facts, they will overcome, and will weather any storm that comes
"Rosa" had no plot. The villain did nothing but sneer. Garbage.
Lauren Anderson I thought that was the main point of him though. He was just a stupid racist that didn't really have rational thoughts. After all, racism is inherently irrational.
@@alexmcsandwichface2075 wasn't he also a serial racial killer?
Rosa was a very woke piece, which utterly trivialized and undermined black rights activists efforts.
@@alexmcsandwichface2075 he was a serial killer.
So as someone who is dyspraxic, I was really excited for Ryan... and then was immediately unexcited again. His learning difficulty is just another thing he HAS, not a thing he IS, and it's painful to watch because this isn't representation. Filling a show with characters that allow you to check boxes about things people have without those things informing the character at all gives off the totally wrong message, it actually trivialises serious issues that have a real effect on peoples' lives.
Exactly this. Couldn't agree more.
It’s not supposed to send a message. It’s supposed to make them feel like they’re just human. It’s not supposed to be something he “is,” because the show didn’t make it seem like it was supposed to be a huge deal. He just happened to mention it at the start of the episode, because it was related to what he was doing at the time.
same i was angry at how they only include the sterotypical symptons
@@scale_b2884 But they dropped it and only remember it when it’s convenient. So he doesn’t feel more human because that’s not how something like that works for us. A blind person isn’t just blind when it’s convenient.
@@shayla106 I don’t think they defined the scope of it very well. I’m sure it is something that affects people on different levels.
One of their points was: “There are brown people in it.”
K
"My character is better than yours coz they have different skin and maybe a vagina"
@@coltonbates629 way too true 👏
imagine not seeing the racism in saying that sentence
@@kjl3080 what
@@kjl3080 this comment is not racism dipshit
"Oh but if you don't like series 11, you're sexist, hurr durr!"
Btw, I wonder, just out of curiousity - remember how the general regenerated into a woman in series 9 and said "back to normal, am I? I was only a man in the last body"? Imagine if the next Doctor was a man a said that same thing "back to normal, am I?"
I would start clapping my hands if the Doctor ever goes back to normal again.
I really don't like how they portrayed a woman as the doctor... I mean her quirkiness stems from having a very nervous personality it doesn't stem from this charming personality the other doctors have. This kind of being charming was (bc the doctors were men) a really manly feature. So it would have been nice to give her this charming feature not as a man but as a woman and make it hers. But no they only gave her a nervous socially awkward personality (which can also be an annoying stereotype for women) instead of all those things we love about the doctor.
Also another stereotype: the other doctors as men did most of the time own the situation and made it at least seem like they were in control. She never seemed like she was in control of a situation and was rather panicky and losing control and just super nevrous.
Nice portrayal of a woman. Thanks.
it would be weird because sexism is against women 95% of the time and women jokingly putting themselves above men is not sexism
@@carb_8781 what about women seriously putting themselves above men?
@@The0thDoctor it’s not the doctor being a woman that’s the problem there is no ‘normal’ the doctor is a time travelling face changing alien that travels with humans. The problem with series 11 and 12 is the fact that there were too many companions and the writing was not well done. Chris Chibnall is the problem. NOT Jodie Whittaker.
yknow how doctor who seasons always have those episodes we forget about? like "love and monsters"? usually its not the whole season.
'Arachnids in the UK' WAS absolutely "in keeping with the classics", in that it was basically a rip-off of the Pertwee story 'The Green Death' (a story about a guy who dumps some waste which causes flies to grow to several metres large and start killing people).
Only that The Green Death is actually good.
There were other elements to it too, like Stephens, The Boss and the threat of AI takeover
Plus Arachnids in the UK was used to take potshots at America and Trump.
Green Death plus Planet of the Spiders.
That's why I probably enjoyed certain episodes in s11 a bit more than I should've, since Arachnids was literally the Green Death 2.0 but written by Chris "Sex Gas" Chibnall. Kerblam! reminded me of early McCoy, especially Paradise Towers/Dragonfire, and It Takes You Away (at least the first half) was almost like early Tom Baker. Everything else can get in the bin, though, especially Ranskoor av Kolos
chibnal: yeah but come on guys, where else would you see something like dr who with an old person, a black teen, a punjabi investigator/officer, while going on alien adventures with a female type doctor * realizes the sarah jane adventures is a thing and is vastly better * oh noooooo
Well played. And for my money I'd take Clyde and Rani any day of the week.
..I'd sooner see them dig up, and reanimate JNT, and let him run the show again than this Ginger arsehole.. Atleast Turner knew what he was doing.
What's really bad is it's like they forgot that the TARDIS travels through space as well as time as they keep hanging around the Earth all the time. At least when Petwee did it there was a story reason.
@@LibraGamesUnlimited Remember that time they went to space for once and then a magical teleporter teleported them to Earth?
@@benjamincooper358 I stopped watching after her first season. I had a handful of her second season on DVR, then I heard it was more of the same so I deleted them unwatched.
I think no one in watch mojo actually watches dr who and just read out stuff they found on the Internet and they still can't even stay stuff right.
I agree with what you said about Jodie.
Look at the actors who got it right like Matt Smith. Unlike David Tennant and Peter Capaldi, who had been fans of the series since childhood, he wasn't very familiar with it, but he took the time to watch previous doctors, and he took a lot from that.
You can see that he just gets it.
He can go from being silly and eccentric to serious in a second, and you see the old man he really is behind his youthful appearance.
He particularly liked Patrick Troughton, and his portrayal influenced both Matt Smith's performance and his costume as Matt rejected the various costumes shown to him and thought his doctor should look less cool. He actually suggested the bow tie himself.
Although offered the chance, Jodie apparently didn't watch previous Doctor's, and it shows.
That coupled with writers who who were also not familiar with the show and you get season 11.
Just gonna bring it up. Not disagreeing with this point AT ALL, but Chris Chibnal was part of the DW appreciation society in the 80s and ripped on the Trial of A Timelord in 86 for being too dull, generic and bland with cliche monsters and lots of running down hallways. Now, say what you will about Trial 86, the irony is insane. Now to his credit, Chris did actually adress that clip recently and said he was just a silly teen at the time, and the fact he didn't ignore it is admirable, but the irony is still there for certain.
Chibnall told Jodie "don't watch anything with the doctor in it", and Moffat didn't do that with Matt Smith, and it shows.
Smith can go from eccentric time traveler to super serious ancient alien in an INSTANT and it feels realistic
Anyone else miss David Tennant and Rose and episodes like Blink and The Family of Blood
Yes!
Funny that you mentioned two Martha episodes haha
@@tunnelsnake4625 They were good episodes
@@tangyhyperspace2217 they weren't ROSE epsiodes tho.
Since David Tennant has not only worked closely with Jodie Whitaker in the past but has also enthusiastically endorsed her in the role,you might want to re-examine your admiration with a considerable grain of salt assuming that you want to....strongly dislike Whitaker's portrayal of the Doctor.
Season 12 be like:
- History lesson with bad sci-fi writing.
- moral lessons no one asked for.
- garbage.
and unnecesary explanations
Sure okay but did you know that racism...is baaaaad?
People get used to Trash-Quality.
Very visible with Star Trek, Doctor Who
and Pokemon.
...People start to forget...
he actual history lessons are also bad.
They're not accurately.
Chibnall: did you know that climate change is baaaaad?!?
The target demographic: yeah no kidding, its not like we grew up with that reality floating over our heads. Thank you Boomer.
My mum described her costume as something mork from mork and mindy would wear. And i cant disagree
You can just say Mork, you don’t have to say Mork from Mork and Mindy. There aren’t any other Morks bro.
Insert Full Title And Other Stuff About Mork And Mindy And How Mork Is From Mork And Mindy
also what is mork and mindy
I like how 3 of the _"points"_ of why the show is good are "an actor played a role."
That borders on being similar to saying that I'm attractive for wearing a Supreme hoodie and hat.
With the Rosa episode
You could probably do a 20 minute video that's just a person saying "Racism bad" into the camera over and over, and that would probably have more artistic merit and meaning
Exactly. I don't think, people hate politics in shows because of the politics necessarily, but because it is not subtle at all, and there is nothing behind it.
The original Who, star trek and twilight zone were all very political too, but it is always nested inside good morals and well told stories
@@Wraithfighter Oh I totally agree. Plus, this was in the worst of the areas. I mean, when we've had past episodes, no one has been secretive about clothing or race as a factor. Time travel fiction always has this stuff because history hasn't been great to a lot of groups. The Witchfinder episode is a decent one in particular... until they made the villain turn out to be possessed.
It's like when Pose gets heavy handed, we're like "of course this is going to be happening. This is the height of the Aids crisis and bad stuff was allowed to happen."
It's an issue we have with subtlety in that we think it's the go-to for themes. It works a lot of the time but sometimes you need to bring it down like a hammer.
@@Wraithfighter I'd ask if it's juxtaposed against anything, or if the story takes place entirely within that historical period (not even strictly for this show/episode, just when approaching this premise) with no particular focus on a different era or context. Like, if the idea was to parallel them ("Here is a segregation practice done in the 60's you think is absurd. Now here is one still being done in present to show how terrible things are" as one basic use), I would get it because the sudden contrast and disbelief it can evoke in a contemporary audience is being used for a narrative purpose.
If the story drops you into an era like the 1800's or the 1900's Segregation era or such, and ONLY focuses the story in there, then the most it's good for is teaching the history rather than conveying a message to a current era audience lacking the perspective that this was inherently "normal" for the time. I assume the Doctor and such would be the out-of-time element in this case, but they also need to react through the lens of someone who has seen multiple era rather than just being appalled by this one but not drawing any comparisons, realizations of change or lack thereof, or demonstrated understanding of the eras as someone outside of both.
@@Wraithfighter I think the bluntness is more a problem with messaging. You can show historically accurate depictions of outright racism, but it won't do any good if your message boils down to "See this? This was bad!". Like, yeah, we know. What are we supposed to do about it?
It would be a far more valuable approach to delve into the ugly underbelly of structural racism that is still prevalent today, so we can learn something that is relevant and applicable to our modern lives. But that would require that the writers understand these problems themselves and have the talent to weave them into a story.
The problem with Rosa is it exists to show prejudice. Not explore it. There's one simple fix you could do to make it a good episode. Rather than having Krasko be a flat, one-note, racist chatacter - have him be a descendant of the bus driver. Make it so he was persecuted in the future because of his ancestors actions against Rosa Parks. The reason he wants to stop Rosa Parks isn't because he's a racist, but because he just doesn't want him or his family to be persecuted in the future because of what his ancestor did. Then after the Doctor stops him, she can help him and his family in the future. With that one simple fix, the episode actually explores prejudice rather than existing to just show a filtered version of it. Rosa lacked serious ambition.
I said this comment last time but again let's be honest, they probably didn't watch it
IVE BEEN SO BLIND
you crazy man...
....pffft
To be fair, it takes a lot of time to pump out absolute trash 10 times a day, and any time doing anything like “watching the shows” takes away from exploiting the algorithm.
And you're probably right.
Has anyone watched it?
Hire a diverse cast - that's a big thing now right? Fans will like that!
Be afraid to do literally anything interesting with your diverse characters.
Feels a bit more like a soulless move now, doesn't it?
My first Doctor Who episode was The Christmas Invasion when my mom was channel surfing. She told me she used to watch the series when she was a kid in the late 60's/early 70's. I was instantly hooked.
Oh be fair, if I were asked to make a video detailing 10 reasons why Dr Who Season 11 was good then I'd struggle too.
1 Um, it's mostly in focus?
2 It's got that guy in it who is genuinely entertaining in The Chase?
3 I remember an episode when the enemy was a pantomime horse covered in seaweed and with flippers.
4 My god Amelia Pond was so hot.
5 I think if I met her IRL it'd probably be a bit awkward though.
6 I wonder what happened to the Doctor's daughter?
7 I had fish and chips for tea yesterday, I haven't had that for ages.
8
9
10 I give up.
Simon Phelon, your comment is more hilarious than Watchmojo UK’s channel, and are you really English because only English people call fish and French Frys fish and chips?
@@RoronoaZoro-ur6hr I've never even heard anyone say "fish and french fries", is that a thing people say?
Light Yagami, Americans are saying it wrong tho
Subezdo, in certain parts of the UK people say fish and chips referring to fish and French fries.
You meant Amy Pond right? Played by the wonderful Karen Gillian, also known as Nebula from Guardians of the Galaxy and one funny and gorgeous human being.
Social commentary. In season 2, where we follow the tenth doctor. Theres an ep where the doctor and Rose need to stop a TV from stealing peoples faces. (GrOuNDeD) anyway, in that episode, they meet a family with a controlling father who dictates what everyone does and follows the stereotype of "the man of the house" and clearly has a massive ego. They basically call the man out for being a horrible person and give the woman and child support while also helping with their grandma who had her face stolen.
The father calls the authorities and have the grandma taken away, which pushes the family to turn entirely against the man. By the end, the woman builds up the courage to divorce him and kick him out. It could have ended here and been as simplistic as "Abuse is bad" . But not only do they not end it there, go one step further. See from what I've told you so far, I've purposely left out several key details. The man was a war veteran who fought in the second world war. His ego had misled him, because he fought in that war to end stop fascism but due to his ego became what he fought against. By the end, he had realised his mistakes too late, clearly regretting what he had done. The world was changing, and he was stuck in the past.
When he's leaving, the doctor and Rose approach the kid to watch him leave. The kid appears ready to leave him in the dust, and amazingly, the doctor asks "That's it then new monarch, new age and new world, no room for someone like him." the kid replies "Yes". Rose then states "Go after him, he's your dad" the kid replies "He's an idiot" and then Rose replies "Of course he is, he's your dad. But you are clever. Clever enough to save the world so don't stop their, go on." and with that, the kid runs after him, walking beside him as he left and even carrying his suitcase for him.
The social commentary here didn't just end at "facism and abuse is bad" but gave a more nuicanced approach giving the message that just because they are the way they are, doesn't mean that they can't change, nor does it mean we can't be better and do better. Instead of blanket slating everyone as hateful, instead saying they people can make mistakes, and that doesnt mean we can't change them for the better.
This one episode did social commentary better than the entirety of season 12
Telling a child to forgive their abusive parent is not a good thing. No one is under any obligation to keep contact with their abusers if they don't want to, and the ending of that episode is its major flaw.
@@karkatvantas9557 that's not what the ending shows. The guy was more controlling than abusive, it was clear that the guy was truly just misled by his own ego. In his mind, everything he was doing was for his family, as I said, he's a war vet. He just gained an ego that corrupted him.
The kid didn't forgive his father more so than he just gave him a chance.
So I behemently disagree with you. I feel the ending gave a more nuanced approach to the entire ordeal
@@karkatvantas9557 I don't remember the parent being abusive. Just awfully micromanaging. That's a miserable way to live, but hell that's army life.
@@Edax_Royeaux 1. He was emotionally abusive. 2. He threatened to beat Tommy several times.
@@karkatvantas9557 Your probably right, I've not seen the episode is many years. All I remember was that he hung the British flag upside down despite being a soldier. In the US, an upside down US Flag is a distress signal, so I wasn't sure if it was a cry for or help or just Doctor Who was saying this vet hates his country.
We should all agree this era wasn't canon and was just the next doctor's dream while regenerating. Literally, let's just make it the official head canon for the entire community.
A head anon is a person whose head has no name.
It was the gas leak year, just don't think about it any longer
I think it could be explained away by saying she wasn't actually the doctor (a la David Morrissey in the Next Doctor). But maybe she's still the timeless child, and then the real doctor doesn't have to keep that ridiculous storyline
I absolutely agree. I can't see any other way anyone could undo just that canon damage the Chibnall era caused.
That’s what we did in the Star Wars community so go for it as far as we are concerned we are still hoping they will make a third Star Wars triology
@@luna-p maybe there's some whacky chameleon arch confusion where the timeless child needed to hide and somehow took the place of the doctor. That's why she doesn't remember her past, she stole the doctor's by accident. That would even work within the story since her seasons have the chameleon arch, it's a call back that doesn't have to call too far back.
lets be real guys, doctor who wattpad fanfics have better plot than series 11 and 12
Might just read a Donna X Amy fanfic with an MS paint thumbnail instead of watching s13 tbh
Love and Monsters is 100X better than series 11 and 12
One of my main problems is that there's basically no dynamic between 13 and her companions, with basically all of the previous companions since the 9th Doctor, as early as the second adventure they would notice some fundamentally shitty quality The Doctor has and the two of them would work through it and prompt character development from each other that stretches over the whole season. Thirteen's keeps her companions at arms length and constantly lectures them, qualities that prior companions would have ripped her to shreds for, but Ryan, Graham and Yas just don't have any sort of read on her and don't call her out on either so she's never developed beyond her starting point. And I agree with Jay that the Doctor's age old wisdom and air of authority is not present most of the time, so we're left with a Doctor with not a lot of depth.
Also yeah Kerblam and Orphan 55 were pretty low moments for the character, where they accidentally write her as pro-capitalism and placing responsibility for global warming on the common folk, with maybe one line of dialogue about how the rich absolve themselves of their responsibilities and ninety lines of dialogue where The Doctor says "WE can change global warming if WE make changes" as if the blame should be shared with the common people in any way.
Well, when your selling point is "Look the new doctor is a woman and she is just as good as any man, in fact she is probably even better" Then it automatically makes you more inclined to write the character as if they have no flaws and make no one question her. Because (this is sarcasm btw) your characters have to fully support the doctor in order to prove to people that the female doctor is JUST AS AWESOME as you were "telling" people they were. Because telling people someone is awesome is way more effective than showing them being awesome and besides who needs CONFLICT in stories anyways?
This is my main reason for not liking politically correct or agenda motivated changes to things because it starts at a basic premise that makes creators more inclined to write their stories in a way that holds back on conflict against their character in order to prove that they were right about whatever change being a good thing and they end up protecting the character when the whole point of a character is throwing them into trouble and seeing how they can handle themselves in difficult situations and how they struggle.
In fact, having 3 companions was a perfect opportunity to do this by introducing completely different perspectives that could have caused the doctor to get more challenged about how they do things and for people to create more conflict BECAUSE there is so much diversity in the characters. Instead it used it as a way for her to have more people on her side saying that she is always right so that she DOESN'T get challenged. Which is why we now have 3 characters who all the serve the same purpose and are all pretty much same character.
It stinks of neoliberal corporate shilling to me. I wonder how much money they took to paint capitalism in a good light.
Well its aiming to get a millennial audience. To many Woke millennials the past is "problematic" so any historical character is ruled out straight away. And nihilism and the whole climate death of the world will make believing in a future for characters to come from a bit too much of a stretch.
Millennial Wokism is all about the right now, and how awful everything about it truly is.
Wish i had a deep thoughtful reason to quitting dr who, but i don't we wanted a women Dr who but did you have to force a blonde to be first? It's over now, its much easier to keep your audience than to win them back, learn from terminator just get the gang togather and end it, well at least we still have Luther.
It's like... They can't possibly let the first female doctor be a flawed character because of SJW energy dominating the significance of the regeneration.
Saying this newest of Dr Who seasons has great effects is as like seemingly praising it also for being in color and its a "Talkie" too as positives too.
It's also not shot on film and like stuff like ya know? Like yeah.
I just realised. The Timeless Child completely retcons the entire Trenzalore arc. Like the TARDIs is confirmed, broken down and dead, as is The Doctor, since the TARDIS serves as his tomb. That arc took up like a season or 2 and is what resulted in the Doctor being given, and I quote, "a new regeneration cycle". And in Capaldi's time, the Timelords outright say they granted the Doctor more regenerations, so that's 3 whole seasons, arguably some of the best seasons, retconned by a few episodes thanks to Chinball.
The fact most people can't remember any of season 11 is already a red flag
I have watched every single episode of Jodie's era. I cannot remember a single plotline fully. This is indicative of the fact that it was NOT GOOD WRITING.
@@killgarraghforever Same here, Jodie's run just isn't as memorable as the others. Like come on, Eccleston had one season and that is more memorable than all of Jodie's.
@@emots I agree. I can name most of the plotlines from Eccleston's era. Honestly, the only episode pre-Jodie that I'd say was as bad as the hot mess that Chibnall has been trying to pass off as Doctor Who is that one episode from Tennant's era where the Doctor and Martha got stuck on that space motorway and there were giant crab things at the bottom. And even that one I remember the fucking plotline. I mean, come on! It's disrespectful to Doctor Who!
@@killgarraghforeverIt was Martha but yeah.
@@iancuneo1820 Right, sorry. I'll fix it.
Watchmojo is literally the last word that comes to mind when you say quality
I rarely watch their videos anymore.
"This series had their first blind actor/actress, but Series 9 (?) had the first deaf actress in Nu-Who who played the role much better"
WatchMojo: *I'll ignore that*
I’m an idiot so I don’t remember, who was this again?
@@JAProductions494 The one with the ghosts and Peter Capaldi. Under the Lake and Before the Flood?
Benjamin Cooper oh yeah I remember, thanks
Yikes
Actually wasn't even the first Deaf actor in Doctor Who, that belongs to the fourth Doctor (I don't remember the exact episode).
The fact that that alarm sound is actually in the show just makes me go: "what the fuck, over"
"Good production value can't save bad writing."
-Some guy, somewhere, probably
Imagine watching Series 11, because you heard, that you wouldn't need prior knowledge of the show. And than watching Series 12, where the arc seems to be "remember that thing we did???"
well the arc in season 12 is about the timeless child and the lone cyberman
S12 is all a build-up to explain an irrelevant plothole in one episode *forty years ago*
5:02 Something about the "We're not dealing with reality!" and seeing just a few frames of some guy popping into existence with that cut-off noise had me in stitches. I had to pause the video. Quality.
It was colin baker as doctor 6
If someone jumped onto season 11 I'd understand why they'd hate doctor who
I’ve never been much of a fan of Rose or Ten, especially not together, but there’s no denying that both are actual characters. I would much rather watch them than any chibnall era character. Plus they have more interesting stories which might at least help the chibnall era.
bruh I completely forgot Ryan had dyspraxia, a serious life-altering condition
what actually is dyspraxia? i didnt really understand what ryan was on about in that episode
@@lilianderson8256 basically coordination issues, something to do with brain messages not transmitting properly to the body. Not that this matters to Ryan, who seems to be unimpacted by it whenever its required by the plot
@@darkstar1417 ugh if rtd was writing there would be actual scenarios affecting ryan due to this. even moffat would have actually implemented it rather than being like "hey ryan has dyspraxia. give us a diversity award"
@@lilianderson8256 so true, and this sort of writing puts me off wanting to watch anything else where there are attempts at diversity. I know I'll prejudge it and think it's going to be bad as well. It's so counter-intuitive when you're considering why they're doing it.
@@darkstar1417 exactly. i hope we end up ditching chibnall because i can see another 1989 if we keep going with this kind of writing
They really titled their video "it's actually good, guys. As opposed to what everyone thinks, it's good. I know it looks bad but that's just an illusion"
Trying to gaslight us won't work.
Also known as "Gaslighting Who Fans in 10 Steps".
watchmojo: it's has a classic who feel. Its social commentary
Me: flashbacks to classic who and the yellowface episode
“More accessible”
SHOWS SEIZURE INDUCING SCENE
I think having a female Doctor was actually a really good idea. It’s been foreshadowed, such as when the 11th Doctor felt his longer hair and said “I’m a girl!!” But it feels like the Doctor’s a woman for the sake of being a woman, and they decided they didn’t need to add any nuance to her character, or really to her companions. If they had complex feelings and motivations like the other Doctors she probably could have been awesome.
That's my impression too. I haven't actually seen any of the new episodes but my impression of the actor from clips is that she actually would be a convincing Doctor, if only given good scripts.
It also might have helped if she were played by an actor who actually cared about the show and it's legacy. Whittaker isn't a fan of the show's previous seasons and has openly admitted it
While it could have been sort of interesting, a gender change was not really needed and was clearly only there to earn the show more virtue points.
@@VoxelMusic true.
Missy was a way better Doctor than Jodie Whitaker. Too bad she was a Master incarnation and not a Doctor incarnation.
In my opinion about that special effect point. Good special effects don’t make a boring idea good. Same as bad special effects don’t ruin s unique idea.
@Blue .Barrymore Exactly. DNEG was a great VFX company in terms of artistry and stuff done for movies and TV, but they cannot fix bad writing, boring episodes, mediocre acting and horrendous politics.
Blue .Barrymore Perhaps it would be more accurate to say that if the writing is strong, the effects won’t ruin something entirely? Even if they take you out of the moment, if the writing has made you invested you’ll still have your suspension of disbelief, I think.
Holy shit, I've scrolled down enough to find your comment! How you doing?
Also Ryan's ark is literally getting over his disability after they forgot about it, which is just stupid.
I had already watched and enjoyed your five-hour take down of the current era of the show when I found this gem. I agree with every point, and I really enjoy your wit and style of commentary. Thank you for giving me another entertaining experience.
"It has new characters!"
*Azorbalof intensifies*
Casey Grimm pfft oh my gosh you’re so right.
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You just gave me "I have to live as a slab of rock for all eternity" flashbacks.
Honestly I'd rather die than be a slab of rock with a face on it, jesus christ how fucking horrifying was that ending
No new characters just new actors!
You know that character was actually made by Channel Pup.
Jodie was able to portray her character as feeling "some type of way".
They basically praised Jodie for being an actress.
That's how I live my life as an autistic person though XD I just Feel Some Type Of Way anytime I actually get An Emotion.
And the doctor's an alien, she has an excuse to not be acting properly human and knowing human emotions even after 1000 years but me-!
I like the new tardis.
The console, the exterior, and especially how they connect with the partial police box interior blending into the console room.
It’s a shame that the lighting is god aweful in there
Rosa was the episode that made me stop watching - I now only go up to the end of capaldi
since it was long established that Time Lords/Ladies could regenerate into the opposite sex, I always knew that we’d eventually have a female Doctor, and I was so excited for it. but when I tried to watch series 11, I just got so bored. I couldn’t get invested and couldn’t care about the characters. It was so frustrating. We shouldn’t praise people for having women in their works if they can’t be bothered to have *well-written* women. Otherwise it just gives ammunition to misogynists and prompts them to say, “I told you so.”
It’s 2020. The bar should be much, much higher than simply “have a female lead” or “have a diverse cast.” Give us well-written female characters. Give us well-written diverse characters. Stop being so lazy and expecting people to pat you on the back.
I didn't know they can change gender.
Asain lmao the master did it a few seasons back as well as the time lord general and it for sure is established in nuwho
When people go into things thinking about gender, color, etc, then the quality will automatically be terrible
Long established? I suppose it may seem that way if you have inly been watching if for a few years
Asain I’ll amend myself and say that show-canon wise, it’s been referenced since the early 2010s in the show (the Doctor thinking he regenerated into a woman in 2010, the mention of the Corsair having both male and female regenerations in 2011 (and that’s still 9 years of canon to go off of, which for some shows is monumental)). But while searching the question of “when was it first established that Time Lords could become Time Ladies and vice verse,” I found that back in the ‘80s, they were considering following up Tom Baker with a female Doctor. So this isn’t a brand new concept to the show by a factor of 40 years.
As a boomer teacher who was watching your video and had my cursor in the middle of the video, I am just going to say "good call".
I found you through a comment on a biology video and I am so glad I did. I have gotten into big fights with my sibling over whether this season is good and to see someone debunk a few of the sayings to why is refreshing.
What quite annoys me about new who as a whole is that while it's "diverse". It isn't diverse in a space time scale. Why not alien companions, or companions from the past or future. I think this style of companion would be very interesting, like a companion from the past discovering the present, or the from the future discovering the present. Even more interesting would be an alien companion discovering Earth.
I think alot of the companions are awesome in new who, but the fact we've gone 12 seasons into new-who without this idea explored bothers me. Also the fact that we got so close with Victorian clara, captain Jack or nardole, who weren't traditional companions but also didn't have their unique identities explored to make for more interesting characters and stories
We had Nardole who was an alien
We briefly had Captain Jack, who's From the future.
@@mephamjohnson4422 Maybe we should have an alien companion that doesn't suck
Why? Because we don't have aliens watching doctor who. Also the doctor has had alien companions. Several in fact. Sooo.
The companions are meant to be easy for viewers to see thenselves as being, which is why New Who has always had the main conpanions be from modern Earth. Although in Classic Who, whilst most companions were from what was at the time present day Earth, for the same reasons, we did also get some amazing companions that weren't, and often they're among the most memorable.