Why Chibnall Doesn't Work - PART 1: The Doctor
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The way 13 literally had to say "I'm still a bit socially awkward" is quite possibly the most awkward clunky case of tell dont show I've ever seen
Agreed. The other doctors *acted* socially awkward. She just *says* she's socially awkward.
@@therealmaizing5328 Yeah but she isn't socially awkward. when she meets aliens or humans, she can still connect and work with them and the "socially awkward" character trait isn't obstructing her in any way.
The 2nd Doctor mangers to comfort Victoria about her Fathers death and does it so masterfully without being “socially Awkward”
@@wackywaa1458 we got crackhead 11 consoling Amy about Vincent van Gogh as well
To be fair, saying "I'm a bit socially awkward" *is* a pretty socially awkward way to handle it...
I'll forever know Chibnall as the writer who managed to make CAPTAIN JACK characterless and boring.
It's like. How. Steven Moffat was far from a perfect show runner, but whenever I watched his episodes they always at least felt like alot of effort was put into them, like he really cared about the show and the characters. Even on the terrible episodes. And on the good and great episodes you can REALLY tell how much he loves working on Doctor Who. With Chibnall it always feels like he doesn't really respect or get the characters, especially the doctor. Which is a massive problem for such an old and beloved character and franchise.
Props to John Barrowman though. He gave it his best and made it seem like it was actually Jack, which is impressive given what he was to work with
What really struck me in that episode was how unbearably cheesy Captain Jack was. I know he's a very cheesy character to begin with, but this was another level. It felt like an on the nose parody of the Davies era, almost exploiting Barrowman's enthusiasm on returning to the role. It made me kind of angry, because nostalgic self-parody can be great fan service, but when it's earned. Chibnall's tepid slosh up to that episode just didn't earn him the right to get that cocky. You can't go around mocking a better era of the show when yours isn't up to scratch.
Nintendalek42 I didn’t get the feeling he was mocking just that he didn’t get the character I’d actually be quite interested to know what you mean by mocking
I was a big fan of Cpt. Jack in his initial appearance - beyond that ...not interesting
I’ll always find it funny how he went on tv to criticise the writing yet he’s 100% the worst showrunner and writer the shows had so far.
You become the thing you hate, Chibnail has become a text book example of that by rewriting the Docs history with some ludicrous changes to the fundamentals. I think his younger self would be appalled.
@@theyellowlightsaber3193 he may have had some points years ago, but it seems like he could not write better or even write on the same level as the season he criticized.
@@LordDaret Duno Id go that far, modern day scriptwriting is alot better than it used to be in 1986, especially for this show.
@@LordDaret A lot of people use the line 'if you think you can do better, then do it yourself' when they don't like a critic's opinion. Which is a flawed argument, because you don't need to be good at something to be able to recognise quality. For example, most people are able to accurately distinguish a great singer from a passable one, even without any knowledge of vocal techniques or musical theory. They key point is that most people can recognise greatness, but most people don't understand why it's great.
Chibnall is a perfect example of this. His arguments in that overused clip from the 80s are sound. He knows what good Doctor Who looks like, but he doesn't know why.
The clearest example for me is with his first episode, 42. The episode is thematically and stylistically very derivative The Impossible Planet/The Satan Pit, which is one of the best stories of the RTD era. Chibnall clearly recognised this, as he copied not only the claustrophobic space setting with a smallish cast of stranded characters, but also the possession elements, the villain being a cosmic enemy of incomprehensible power, etc. The only real difference between the two stories is that 42 sucks.
@@theyellowlightsaber3193 has chibs ever wrote anything for doctor who as good as the Mysterious planet for example? I'd say no, I'd say its got worse
Wait wait wait. Chibnall said to her "dont watch past episodes"
How on earth do you expect her to understand the complexities and layers of the character then. Better yet, try writing them in.
No wonder that her Character barely felt like the Doctor. It's such a big difference compared to having super-fans like Tennant & Capaldi on the job. (Part of the reason why I have hope for Gatwa - he actually cares.)
Though, honestly, Matt Smith & Chris Eccleston were new to the show when they got hired & still kicked ass. (well, Matt Smith DID watch past episodes *after* being hired & instantly decided that he loved & was going to emulate Patrick Troughton, so there you see why it turned out ok. )
Her not watching previous episodes was a big, big mistake
she did watch some previous stories but she said she didn't find it helpful and chose to do it fresh, so yea ignore how previous doctors were and canon because she knows nothing about dr who
Damn. The whiny anti-left stuff didn't take long. I was hoping to at least scroll a bit more before finding it. I agree that Chris Chibnall is a bad writer, but it has nothing to do with his political beliefs. He's just a very bad writer.
And of course Doctor Who is left wing. Because it always has been. Notice how the Doctor doesn't generally just say "Fuck you I've got mine you lazy entitled millenials. Pull yourself up by your bootstraps and don't expect me to save you." The Doctor has always been the champion for the poor and underprivileged. That's an integral component of the show. That's kind of the point. Sci fi in general has always been left leaning. Whether it's talking about a utopian vision of the future or a dystopia vision caused by human greed.
Does it really matter? Peter Capaldi is probably the biggest fan of the show to play the role next to David Tennant and he was awful
@@justsomerandomguyonline1144 I really enjoyed Peter Capaldi he is probably my third favourite doctor
That should've disqualified her from the running right off the bat.
It speaks volumes that a lot of people experienced Paul McGann as the Doctor for the first time with Night of the Doctor and how in just under 7 minutes he seals himself as The Doctor and leaves you wanting more of him. 8 still deserves his own TV series.
@@StormgemThunder Even just a cross over story, 8 is horrified by what the wars done, not just to him but how she hides it.
It would be nice to have a season of the 8th doctor. I remember seeing him in the movie and loved how they have the 7th regenerate into him instead of just starting it with the 8th. When the short "Night of the Doctor" premiered I was seriously saying "Holy shit!... it's Paul McGann!!!"
@@renegadedjinn5325 There have been many, many, series of stories with Paul McGann playing the 8th Doctor- they're just audio plays by a company called Big Finish. Canon and approved by the BBC (several companions in these plays were mentioned in The Night of the Doctor) and they're really good!
Deep down I hope that they re-cast him as a future doctor. Because you know how the doctor can influence his/her face, why shouldn't it be possible to take influence from past incarnations.
@@emmysaudiohub5415 I'd hope so too, but I think he'd probably say no until the quality of the writing is amped back up a bit. I feel like Peter saw where it was going when he said that it was better to quit the show while he still enjoyed it and Paul is probably of the same mindset. A 12 and 8 crossover would've been godly tbh.
Moffat got a lot of hate near the end of his run, but now looking back, I think it was astounding the work both he and Davies did and we were incredibly lucky to get them. I mean really, after Davies, it would be hard to find a show runner that could do anything better than he did, but Moffat took to the challenge. He brought in season long storylines in at _full force,_ introduced a classic-like doctor (Capaldi) to the new generation, and even did a revival of longer two part stories for season nine. Some things ended up not panning out great during Moffat's run (the season 6 storyline comes to mind) but it's almost always because he went to large in the build up and couldn't deliver a finale that could top those.
Not to start an argument, but what made Capaldi a classic like Doctor, just because he was older? While I completely agree with this video on Jodie, I have to admit that Peter also never clicked with me, or at least only did half the time.
@@deathislife1993 I think what they mean is that Capaldi was a definite change from Smith and Tennant. You could tell with Moffat that even in his worst episodes he really cared about the show. It still felt like Dr Who. Towards the end it got caught up in being political and preachy, rather than the escape it should be, but even the end of series 10 was light years better than 11 and 12.
I mean the political message is less subtle. Its always been there, but recently its been shoved down our throats, without really being impactful at all.
Capaldi was definately more...severe? Less sociable, less...full of emotion? (Which improves over time)
Out of Moffats 6 series 2 of them were brilliant. Series 5 and series 10 were both excellent. 9 was decent. But 6,7 and 8 were.....not great
Can you imagine how interesting it would be if the companions within the show pointed out 13’s hand-wave dismissals and hypocrisies? Make that the core of her character: “Who is the Doctor without her regret?”DAMN I’d love that!!! The concept of a Doctor that on the surface appears to embody the best parts of the character being challenged by the fact that without acknowledging her dark side she’s actually more dangerous than the other Doctors would be such a fresh, interesting take on the Doctor.
also have them point out her constant personality changes
ik old comment but basically its the War Doctor personality returning kind of, or at least traits of it. Would be a dope run to see a few seasons of
that would require the writer to understand what she's doing is wrong
11 comforting Amy after finding out Vincent still ended his life:
“The way I see it, every life is a pile of good things and...bad things. The good things don’t always soften the bad things, but vice versa, the bad things don’t always spoil the good things and make them unimportant. And I think we definitely added to his pile of good things”
If 13 had to comfort Amy in the same way:
“lmao idk have you tried not being sad? social awkwardness go brrrrrr”
What an amazing character moment that was. Easily one of the best moments of the entire show. Shame Chibnall can't write stuff that hits like that.
Back when tv shows had heart & soul 😥
Now it's just another show to make money. You can always tell when they eventually take that route.
LGBT is popular - gay dumbledor. Ok
The empowerment of women and the suppression of men is in the public opinion now (A terrible and hurtful one but eh, money) - Female doctor and stupid man sidekicks.
Compare that great 11th Doctor speech to Amy to just about any 13th Doctor utterance. Think of Graham's heartache in, I believe, "It Takes You Away", where he has seen a version of his wife but knows it is not really her and it is breaking his heart. The Doctor's comforting words? "Come on, Graham."
Jay Brennan
Exactly. A completely realistic human situation with a completely unrealistic inhuman response.
Hopefully it’s not being eaten up by impressionable children (which is something writers are actually taught to take into consideration)..... as they could really hurt someone without even understanding why
*lmao*
My god, seeing clips of Eccleston Doctor Who when you talk about the 9th Doctor, it was like having a can of classic Coke after having shop soda.
Whittaker's iteration of the Doctor is closest to Colin Baker.
You just hate Doctor Who.
zerooskul okay, fanboy. “You just hate doctor who” isn’t an argument.
@@providence160 No it isn't an argument.
It is a fact and facts cannot be argued over.
@@ZeroOskul LMFAO I know you are but what am I. That is your argument. Claiming that a subjective opinion is incorrect while claiming yours is factual shows that you couldn't define I.Q. if you studied it for weeks. Intelligence Quotient fyi and you should attempt to learn subjectivity and objectivity.
@@Onthebrink5 You know I am what? What are you replying to?
No. It is not an argument. It is a statement of fact.
No, it is not a claim, it is a fact.
You can argue whether or not it is a fact, but, no: you cannot argue the fact.
Intelligence Quotient is the term IQ abbreviates, it is not a definition.
Please tell me exactly what Intelligence Quotient means, what Intelligece Quotient means to you, and what Intelligence Quotient means to this discussion; I am strapped in to be blown away by your reply.
You should learn to love the person in your mirror.
Those scenes of Christopher Eccleston brought more emotion and character than the whole 12th season
This doctor never breathes. There's never that moment when it's just quiet and we see the doctor having some moment. It's always "talk talk talk, see how much of my personality is in the things I say". It's mentally exhausting and it's much easier to understand and love a character because of their actions or lack thereof, rather than just what they say.
God I really hope Doctor Who can find it’s footing again some day :(
It will with its next reboot
It's too late, it's dead, the mythology is ruined
I'm hoping 2021
Literally all it needs is a half-decent head writer who is willing to retcon the Timeless Child shit. God, I'd even take the preening narcissist Moffat over Chibnall, because at least we might get the odd great episode here and there like Blink.
@@Conorp77 Its not dead. S12 was better than S11 but I still believe Chibnall isn't the right guy to be showrunner.
You can say Moffat had his up and downs as a writer all you want, but in my opinion you CAN'T say that his last seasons with Capaldi were a let down. The show really did a great comeback with Season 9 and Season 10 for me. Some of the best moments in the revival. Heaven Sent, World Enough and Time/The Doctor Falls, Extremis, Oxygen, Face the Raven, The Magician's Apprentice/The Witch's Familiar, The Husbands of River Song.... so much good stuff.
Absolutely. Although I have mixed feelings about TMA/TWF, I agree the rest you listed are great episodes!
I think Moffat wrote 90% of my favourite stories over the past 15 years of Doctor who. Imagining doctor who during that time without his contribution would make it a much poorer show. And now it is a much poorer show. Chibnall couldn’t do a better job of getting the show cancelled if he was actually trying to do so.
@@_MyNameIsAJ_ and in ten we had Extremis, Oxygen and the two part finale which is excellent
And Capaldi also had the god-tier standoff scene in the Archives in the Zygon Inversion. The rest of that story was pretty standard fare, but that scene was a whole 10 minutes without action, without any impressive or flashy effects. That scene was held together by nothing less than pure character and pure acting.
@@Emme-Kappa Let's not forget 11 with Rings of Ahketan and devil's run and even the doctors wife. Anytime his anger and pain slips through never fails to hit hard. The overly childish thousand year old time lord who is wise and weathered.
"Show , don't tell."
Went from a diehard fan to never watching it.
Can't wait for a new 'showrunner' and cast.
same
Same. Stopped watching in series 11 and won’t be giving it another chance until chibnall is gone. Although I think the show will be cancelled on his watch.
I'm rewatching the early seasons of new Who and they are so engaging - quality actors, great characters, clever stories, believable and consistent events. The Doctor may change but the personality and psychology is still there.
Introducing a female Doctor was a huge opportunity and a massive challenge - it would take a strong writer and an equally strong actor to make it successful. Instead they ticked a few boxes and then shat all over everything that came before it. And 3 weak companions? What a great way to utterly dilute their new Doctor. They never connected with each other or with the Doctor, they were just tools to create stories with social statements. I didn't watch the last season at all.
Summary: This doctor is not part of New Who. It's New New Who (Dork).
Honestly even a spin off show to reintroduce Romana and the rani would have been better yeah their characters haven't been used in forever but it would be a change something different instead of this really bland shit
Honestly the timeless child is the worst thing to happen to the doctor. Making her another obvious chosen one was just so obvious but also lazy but ALSO wrong. If the doctor had been the doctor who did the experiments on the child then that wouldn’t worked better. The title the doctor would make sense. And it would’ve given the doctor even more internal struggle after so long of trying to fully come to terms with her role in the time war, throwing another horrific act that the doctor does on top just muddies the doctors morals even more, making the character even more complex. It just would’ve worked better
The timeless child would have worked as the master more
@@elonmusket5676 The Master as the Timeless Child and the Doctor as the Galifreyan who found them would work much better for both characters!
@@partariothe5th I mean, it would have still been a poor decision seeing as they pretty much hammered the name of the scientist who worked on the Timeless Child in. Can you honestly say you would have been fine with anyone giving the Doctor a real name?
That being said, the Timeless Child should have definately been The Master.
@@ScorchipProductions also it would explain why he was so mad, like, he regained his memories of the torture. You could also tie in another reason for why he tended towards malevolent actions, as his subconscious was shaped by them.
If the Timeless Child were the Master, it would explain how he keeps regenerating and appearing all the time in Classic and New Who
Chris Chibnall is the kind of individual who I truly believe is evidence that not all writers can do scifi.
Looking at him as a kid in this video, he was obviously bullied and is now taking advantage of having some power over something people love. Forcing his clumsy one dimensional politics onto people.
A lot of episodes got written by shit soap writers.
@@jgmediting7770 that is quite insightful. Well said.
@@jgmediting7770 Wow, you've developed a whole fictional backstory for Chibnall to suit your agenda. Maybe you should be the next Who showrunner.
@@ThreadBomb saying the show is one dimensional politics is not an agenda. Its an observation of the show under him. It’s this is good, everything else bad. That’s poor storytelling.
“It was poorly written, felt cliche, just running up and down corridors and silly monsters!... could’ve been better”
Ironic... he criticises a writers work... but not his own... shows how arrogant he is
I’m convinced if Jodie had played another younger timelord trying to be like the Doctor she’d have been a fan favorite
Wow, this is spot-on! Jodie is incredibly likeable, I just don’t buy her as the Doctor.
I believe there is possibly a character like that in Big Finish called the Nurse: a Time Lord inspired by The Doctor, but I don't the character enough.
Basically, she should've played a companion
Missy was the perfect way to re-introduce a main character with a gender swap, the actress is great as the master but her character is developed further than John Simm's when she is being guarded by capaldi. I really didn't like Jodi's acting and take on the character and feel there were lots of better choices for the re-cast. Tbf though the awful writing for the script and supporting characters doesn't help
I feel like the actress who played Missy would have made a wonderful fit for the Doctor had they casted her as the Doctor rather than having used her for Missy.
Nightman221k her names Michelle Gomez and i agree 10000% she should of been the doctor and not the master. I LOVED her as the master but god could you imagine her as the doctor? Amazing!
I feel like they were testing the water with making the master female for making the doctor female and the issue is it worked with the master and then botched it on employing it to the doctor, Michelle would of been a far better doctor jodie and Chris chibnall were terrible choices
@@reisetyler A female Doctor was never the issue, at least not with me cause it could work given the right actress. I didn't actually know that Chibnall discouraged Jodie from watching the previous Doctor incarnations, but hearing that he did and that Jodie was never really well versed in Doctor Who... well yeah, now it all makes sense as to why I think Jodie's Doctor is so inconsistent and has no footing. Jodie isn't adding anything because she's just going along for the ride and not minding if the writing of her character is at times wonky because she's like, "Eh, I guess she'd do that if that's what they tell me she'd do." She might be a good actress but if she doesn't have investment in the series' legacy on a level of just being interested in seeing what came before her... that just doesn't work for a lead actress of Doctor Who. It's even more baffling given that Chibnall chose to implement the Timeless Child retcon on top of having his Doctor already having a shaky foundation of establishing her identity.
The greatest shame here is that the Master wasn't allowed to stay dead. Missy killing the Master and the Master killing Missy was the perfect way for that character to end. Their story was essentially complete. You gain nothing by bringing them back and doing so soon. It should have instead been a new Timelord getting in the way, someone with whom you could really build something new but nah can't have actual creativity can we.
I completely agree with everything you've said, I just wish this was any other iteration than our first female Doctor.
Because everywhere I go, I've seen people equate these points to "female Doctor = Bad", even though Missy was such a fantastic example of how different things could've been with a different actress and different writing.
It's just really unfortunate timing, and all it did was feed the trolls.
Timeturner Exactly! Having a female doctor isn't an inherently bad idea. On the contrary it actually makes sense that this character would eventually change genders(we've seen other tike lords do it).
If done properly it could have been a Great era of Doctor Who. I mean, Jo Martin played a version of the doctor for just one episode but she did it really well(she embodied the doctor better that Jodie Whittaker IMO)
"All it does is feed the trolls"
This quote is pretty much TV now
Missy was really well done and as always was like a mirror version of the doctor. The new doctor and the new master do not seem to be like two sides of the same coin, which is an important dynamic between the two characters. The Master is what the doctor could be if the doctor had no moral compass. But even the Master has his/her moments where he/she does something for the greater good.
Missy was really well done , and had great story arch's and development , right up to her demise. I would love to watch a Missy spinoff , a supervillain based series where the Villian doesn't actually want to be a Villian as it progresses.
Yes. How many times has an 'ist word been thrown at viewers who stopped watching.
I tuned in for her first episode, looking forward to the role change. What a chance to bring the feminine side to the role.
6 episodes later, I vowed I would not watch again until the showrunner and all his poor writers had been replaced.
What Chibnall did during season 12 was apalling. BBC sat back and encouraged it.
Now the show is in such a state, I wonder if it can ever be rescued.
The great back story that was plausible was replaced with this poorly written rubbish:
1. Tecteun, by chance happens to be on a planet when Dr Who appears 'from another universe' (but she/he/it happens to look like a child from earth. Just at the right time. What are the chances?
2. Kid fall off a cliff edge, and regenerates. What would be the chances she could do that again?
3. Nevertheless, Tecteun decides her approach should be that she tries to find out how she did that. Sorry kid gonna have to just kill you and figures crossed hey?
4. Hey...you survived. Let's just keep doing that and.....
5. success...she finds the secret to immortality. What are the chances ?
6. By the way all the incarnations of DR Who appear to be human and from earth. What are the chances when he/she/it is from another dimension?
7. After all her work, and finding the most amazing discovery ever. Somehow all her work is just lost. What are the chances?
8. She also finds a way of wiping memory from said alien and implanting the cover story which we now know 'was a lie' according to the master. What are the chances ?
Pile of tripe new back story but fits the BBC agendas rather nicely. Which was nice.
Chibnall should be lined up against a wall and an experiment tried on him. Let's see if he regenerates.
Basically, she needs a personality. She needs to be herself.
it's like they decided that the doctor's new identity was "WOMAN" and forgot to give her any personality
@@francesatty7022 This!
Yeah the majority of Dr’s seem to be toned up versions of the actors but 13 is a toned down Jodie, I kind wish they just let Jodie and Mandip be themselves as they get on really well in real life
@@marinettedorien8236 Honestly the actresses have such great chemistry and I wish the show would let that aspect shine.
She does have a personality: she's a ninny. All other Doctors are sometimes kooky or scatterbrained, but there is a sense of centuries of cosmic wisdom underneath. You don't get any of that with 13. Her awareness gets mechanically adjusted to suit the needs of the story, and apart from that there is just daft gurning and incomprehension.
I feel like the writers and Jodie have a big disconnect on the dialogue delivery. Sometimes Jodie delivers lines like the Doctor's just figuring something out when it's meant to be her explaining to the companions. Or at 4:33 for example, I could see this being one of Tennant's Doctor's tangents where he speaks really fast and then goes _"wellllll"_ at the end. But Jodie delivers it like it's meant to be an explanation to the companions and so it's really drawn out and slow.
Was just thinking this exact thing, on the one hand they shouldn't rely too much on exposition, but you can imagine previous incarnations delivering these lines in such a way as to make it feel as if you're watching a person just voice their thoughts and not reading a script
honestly, Jodie's acting in this show during her monologues seems no better than a school play. It's so overdone, there's no subtlety. and the cinematography and editing is awful, there's no life or spark to it.
Everyone's doing sci fi shows now, there really werent when it started. Doctor Who has way more competition now.
This makes a lot of sense, a realization not an explanation
Not to mention in season 12 she literally brings the companions into a war zone (comparable to the situation in which 9th sent Rose home) and then sends them off on their own. I always got them impressions that the Doctor and companion(s) travel all over, most of the time uneventfully and just the few times there's a danger are the ones we see, the Doctor never intentionally brings the companion(s) into danger. Whereas with 13, it's not just that she doesn't care about the companions, she actively endangers them.
She calls them "fam" and doesn't act like she likes them at all.
The only other time I can recall that happening is with the 1st Doctor "broke" the TARDIS so they could explore the Dalek city.
@@A3R0SM1TH142 yeah, but that was the FIRST Doctor. Back when the character hadn't developed at all yet. When your incarnation of the doctor is comparable to the first, you know you're doing something wrong.
Not hating on the first doctor btw, but he was the first incarnation, meaning he was the least developed
@@Manel-dq2kb Don’t forget that the 7th doctor purposely went to Gabriel Chase and Maiden’s point to challenge and push Ace emotionally
Surprised you didn't mention the timeless child reveal, the worst thing chibnall has done that completely ruins the character of the doctor since the show began. Hopefully in a future part?
That's basically its own part haha
@@JackWolf10 Glad to hear it, I look forward to it!
I'm just hoping for a Broadchurch-style 180 twist, where it was actually the Master (unbeknownst to him.)
@@nightowl8477 Yes. Broadchurch was a great story. I was hoping Chibnall could do something really interesting with the character. Going with a woman had the possibility but nothing interesting has come of it.
It doesn't. You have wilfully misunderstood. Loser.
The Doctor supposedly loves her TARDIS family, yet she doesnt give 2 cents when one of her companions reveals his cancer fears. I cant imagine any of the previous Doctors reacting like this, even if they werent going to go in for a hug. Jodie's Doc was like "oh well...."
I loved the way she took Graham - because she has an actual time machine - to some far future medical facility to get his cancer easily cured. Oh wait - she didn't.
Being “socially awkward” it could’ve been interesting to have her say something about losing a companion rather than caring about losing a friend
Yes, she comes across as a medical professional who happens to be a bit callous, and then likes to demonstrate to her colleagues how she behaves when she's being callous to a patient. It's all quite egotistical and sickening.
What's funny is we can all picture the scene if it was David Tennant receiving the news, or if the conversation happened between Matt Smith and Karren Gillian.
Also, as a medical professional surely she would diagnose him herself to understand the full extent of the cancer. Talk about surgery etc. But they treat her like she's not even a Doctor
I know each doctor has different personalities but they still felt like underneath they were the same person. 13th feels completely different.
I think the big problem with the Doctor's characterisation comes down to the kind of writer than Chibnall is. Chibnall is essentially a contractor. You give him a brief to work with and he'll produce something that's safe, competently made and generally pretty entertaining (e.g. "Hey Chris, I have two weeks free in my plan, and I want to bring back a monster from the classic show for my first series. Can you do a two-parter about the Silurians?" "Sure thing Steven!")
This method works well for the odd throwaway episode, but actually running the show needs a lot of imagination, big ideas and a clear vision for the show. Davies and Moffat clearly had these, but a writer-for-hire will inevitably struggle when it comes to writing an entire series of this show and coming up with characters from scratch, then developing them. I think this is why the Thirteenth Doctor feels like a very generic Doctor template, and why her character doesn't undergo much development over series 11 and 12
He’s a writer not a storyteller
I couldn't stand her "out of breath" highly-strung way of speaking. I get it was supposed to sound "energetic", but instead it just sounds like I do when I lack confidence and am trying to rush explaining something to someone because I *really* want them to understand. I dunno if this was the character or just the actress.
And the way some of the line delivery is broken up makes it sound like she only remembers the second half of the line halfway through a sentence. A lot of the time this then leads to what looks like really bad acting because Jodie is delivering the line as a whole, she delivers one line as multiple
That's what Horrible writing does. Creates a one dimensional character.
The writing is not horrible.
@@LNER985 it is the writing is horrendous. What’s the problem if it’s not the writing?
@@j887le8 Also the acting and directing?
Tbh the new companions personalitys are shit, iv watched the 13th doctors episodes and they all seem to be quiet and helpful while just standing in the background
As far as I’m concerned, Capaldi’s last episode was the series finale. I may watch the show again if they do something cool for the 60th anniversary (if the show doesn’t get canceled by then,) but as long as Chibnal is in charge, I’m done with Doctor Who.
One of the many things I found interesting about your take, was that Jodie didn't grow up watching Doctor Who. Compare with Matt Smith, who because the show wasn't aired when he was a child, also didn't grow up watching the show. Look at the difference - while Matt impressively researched and was given room to develop his character, Jodie was actively discouraged from doing the same. While Jodie is a phenomenal actor, she hasn't been given the time or space (no pun intended) to develop her role. As the face of the role, she is the one being heavily criticised, but I don't believe she is at fault.
Chibnall's vision of the show, as shown in your video, contrasts from the majority of the fan base. His 'fam' isn't a real family, but a thrown together group, trying to form a DW fan club, but without the resources to do so successfully. While I welcome the diversity (at long last), the way the characters are written subtlety, but most definitely panders to stale stereotypical troupes.
The show comes across as a group of hired mouthpieces, spouting out Chibnall's personal vision. By actively discouraging Jodie, and the others their unique input into the show, Chibnall is imposing his own will. A will that seems to be fundamentally flawed. Chibnall appears to celebrate diversity on the surface, but in reality attacks it.
In short, if Chibnall is replaced with a show runner that can develop great story arcs, bring in interesting and original character development, challenges the viewers perspectives, and encourages Jodie and the rest of the cast (those at are left at any rate) to develop their characters, then the fortunes of the show will improve. If Chibnall stays, the show will die.
You just hate doctor Who.
Let’s play 8 ball
@@ZeroOskul That is not a argument.
@@ZeroOskul This is neither an argument nor a statement of fact, it is merely a statement of your own opinion, which you try to super impose as a fact, why?, because Champagne Twist mostly gives constructive criticism, stating what could have been done to improve the Chibnall era Seasons
@@ZeroOskul bruh how many times have you copy and pasted this
No offence but Joanna Lumley played a 100x better female doctor in 2 minutes in the parody
Probably because it was written by Steven Moffat.
I would mean full offense to Chibnall et al if it was me saying that.
@@CraigBickerstaff Or just because Moffat ACTUALLY cared about Doctor Who.
@dr103 Not necessarily but I'm sure that would be more interesting than occasionally exclaiming that this being a woman business is a real drag. I think one of the most interesting things that they did is when that guy in the Mary Shelley episode got the hots for the Doctor.
You just hate Doctor Who and like the idea of her getting excited about a dildo.
I feel like Jodie's doctor is a bad take on Tennant's. Like an impression that hits some of the notes but none of the spirit of the doctor
that's probably what she's doing cause she was discouraged from doing research into the character but actually worked with Tennant in another series (or theater, can't remember)
@@MollymaukT Tennant and Jodie were both in Broadchurch. I don't know if you were referring to this show but it's the only one I know where the both of them are working together in a way
@@nady2296 but tennant is so different there, i mean his character is almost the opposite of the tenth
@@whereverover Yeah I know. The fact that she worked with Tennant in another show doesn't mean anything about her knowledge of the Tenth Doctor. And I think that Chibnall discouraged her to watch a lot of Doctor Who so I kind of understand why she doesn't have the spirit of the Doctor
Glad to see criticism of Chibnall and Jodie that’s actually in good faith.
There just isn't a single risk taken. Say what you want about Davies or Moffat, but both of them took huge risks and whilst it was often half and half whether they paid off, you miss 100% of the time if you don't even take a shot.
I don't quite agree there - I would argue the casting of a woman at all and the decision to write such pointedly political stories as they have are fairly significant risks (especially as both are divisive things to do that will, by their nature, provoke a vocal negative response). There are no risks taken with characterisation or plots, I agree with that, but I think there are at least risks being taken in the production and direction of the show.
@@FaithHealer1 if you think casting a woman and saying the Trump stand in is a bad man is a risk, knock yourself out.
(I'm not a trump supporter btw)
There’s nothing risky about the political stores they’ve done. They’ve all be done from a safe, single point of view which comes across as preachy. This view good, that view evil. That creates a reaction which divides people. Risk, and good storytelling around the political stories would be showing numerous points of view and challenging the audiences own beliefs, whatever they are. That’s what well written political stories do.
@Malk Von Batshit Ah, I wasn't going to reply to a 4 month old comment, but screw it. The notion that casting a woman and hiring Malorie Blackman to write a story about Rosa Parks (with a very complex metaphor about white complicity), while knowing the inevitable backlash they'd get isn't a risk is something I find intellectually dishonest. This reaction here is absolute proof: people aren't going to like what they've done, but they did it anyway. The idea that they're actively trying to alienate people while being made by a public broadcaster and in an environment where shows live or die on their ratings is facile, flawed and shows deep misunderstandings. Rosa aside, I think the quality of the show has been very poor these last two years, but lack of risk-taking isn't the correct crime to charge them with.
@@FaithHealer1 The problem is that these risks seem to be taken for political reasons, not for artistic reasons. I'm not saying that Who is High Art, but I think that any good TV show or movie is good because of artistry, not messaging.
this is really a perfect explanation of how shallow chibnall’s writing is
People: *die*
Thirteen: "oh rip" *ok sad moment over haha lol back to normal*
Companions: "ok"
or, the
12th: can't i have peace, can't i ever rest?
Chibs: nope, get back to normal
13th: oh, ok :D
Chibnal is proof that being a big fan of something doesn't mean you could make it better than anyone else
A lesson that I'm sure everyone in these comments will take on board, lol.
Really hit the nail on the head there with why 13 isn’t as good as a character as previous doctors. How many parts are they’re gonna be?
Around 3 or 4 parts in total I reckon
Return of the King. Welcome back Jack. We’ve missed your voice.
You just hate Doctor Who.
@@ZeroOskul oh he doesnt, trust me lol
@@thelasttimelord7550 I can't just trust you about the opinion of somebody other than you, also you are a total stranger speaking for another total stranger so I have no reason to trust you.
Loving to destroy the show and working to get it canceled is exactly hating Doctor Who.
@@ZeroOskul about that, I know Dan quite well. I've had numerous Doctor Who conversations of this platform my man. I can tell you he likes classic who a lot more than new who. He even goes as far to review every classic who serial on any review website out there
@@ZeroOskul yes, TheLastTimelord and Dan know each other very well actually, and I am good friends with them too. And he doesn't hate the show, he just likes to criticize, which is not wrong.
1. If someone thinks Tennant and Smith are similar, they either haven't seen enough Tennant or seen enough Smith.
2. Whittaker's Tuxedo should be her main costume, it looks great and weirdly suits her forgetful, curious and awkward characterization that prefers merangue restaurants to stuff like meeting Agatha Christie.
3. What's weird about the "Will the Doctor press the button that kills everyone?" thing from Series 1, is that it's been reused before. In Series 4, where we get the ultimate bait-and-switch and we have a duplicate of the Doctor press the button where the real one refuses. Fantastic character stuff for the Doctor!
Actually I've been a fan since 2013 and when I'm trying to picture the 11th doctor I think of an hyperactive 10th doctor. For me they are pretty similar, sure, they use different mannerisms. But for me they give the same vibe.
@@tmattmat1641 I agree; there are definitely differences, but a lot of overlap in their characterization, they can both be manic and wacky, and at other times melancholic and more serious, but each managed to pull these moods off with their own distinct style. I think maybe some folks are less able to see the stylistic differences and just associate the manic/melancholic behavior as being the same in each character. I think Tennant tended to lean more towards the serious side of the spectrum, even in the less serious moments, whereas Smith tended a little more towards the lighter side. However, both played a wide array of moods, depending on the circumstances, with Tennant being quite lighthearted at times, and Smith deadly serious, when warranted.
6:00. That’s probably what niggles me about the costume; over engineered, it *feels* like a costume, rather than a mish-mash of eccentric clothing. I do prefer the 'tomboy take' and think going for a Missy look would have been a mistake ‘oh look she’s a woman now, let’s stick her in a dress’ 🙄- although the characterisation of Missy’s ‘alien masquerading as a woman’ certainly wouldn’t go amiss.
However, Thirteen definitely looks much better in Capaldi’s tattered suit and even in Spyfall with the tux. I really wish they had gone for something more like that, or at the very least, changed it up a bit over the two series. I don’t mind the coat or even the braces but the stupidly short trousers are goofy and at best just incredibly impractical - I always get a pang of sympathy when its winter outdoors scenes, man she must get cold shins! 🥶 Imagine going to a snow planet wearing that! 😲
Chibnall decided that any story the show had up until now was his to change. So he retcons Gallifrey actually still being there after it was saved by having the Master destroy it and then theres the Master he just completely dismisses the entire arc the character had as Missy with Capaldi. The stories he's written for Dr Who beforehand have been some of the worst in any given series. He wrote broad church to a good amount of success but he has never been able to write for Dr Who well. I enjoyed a few of the stories of 13 but as Jack said she never clicked for me, she hasn't had a moment where I've gone "That's the doctor" Like in Matt Smith's 1st Ep at the end when he's sending the atraxi away, and his second ep with Clara with his speech to the sun. Finding out that Jodie hasn't seen much (if any) episodes of Dr Who made me realise why she feels so stale as the doctor, not that the writing helps most of the time anyway. Another thing that I feel does not help these episodes is the lack-luster music that is just kind of an ambient thing with a few beeps and whooshes and the constant whine it sounds horrible and just ruins the atmosphere of the show (I understand that because Murray Gold left his place needed to be filled and that the feel of the show musically wouldn't be the same I was prepared for that as sad as it was just not the Ambient Meh that we got that just does not fit Dr Who).
The companions are just not explored at all and I feel if they just started the first series off with one maybe two companions it would have made it easier to develop them into... actual characters instead of Yes people for the doctor, Like again look toward previous doctors we had rose for Eccleston's doctor but they picked up Capatain Jack and then actually intergrated him into the tardis crew or another good example is Amy and Rory, they took the time to develop Amy alongside Matt Smiths initial episodes and then Rory was added to great success because they allowed The doctor and Amy to make a dynamic before adding him. And one last thing it annoys me that the doctor just seemingly knows what everything is and what it's being used for just by looking at it, there's no moments where the doctor is up a creek having to invent ways out of a situation that nobody else could there's no tense decisions being made she just points her screwdriver at it and the problem is exposited or fixed.
The moments where the doctor could say " i don't know" or " still working on it " trying to figure a way out of a situation and then delivering a clever way out were brillant . That's why the pandorica arc works so well. The doctor is allowed to not know everything and to figure it out as the episode goes. The companion exist for them to learn and to ask questions or to challenge the doctor. I still remember foundly the days when one of the doctor companions actively challenged the doctor on the fact that he was doing dangerous things and travelling with him was not a great idea.. I mean now i just want characters on screen. how my standards have been lowered.
@Brennan Lu this feels like an escuse.
This could have been valid the first season but i cannot escuse that season 2 given the criticism
You just hate Doctor Who.
Silurians were corrected to be Eocenes in The Sea Devils, just three or four episodes after they were introduced as Silurians way back in the '70s; but Moffat rewrote them as Silurians which no real sense whatever.
@Brennan Lu Maybe he did that because he didn't want her to see the episodes he wrote and have her quit immediately. :-)
I just don't get how master could destroy galifrey really.
Absolutely top notch video. It perfectly sums up the issues with the new doctor. 3 minutes of JUST being able to notice Havana in the background is not something I was anticipating, however.
Can't say I expected to use that song either, but then I kinda liked the vibe it added
it's amazing how poor the Chibnall era grows with every new piece of information fans discover. To learn that Jodie did zero research into the this character is just shocking to me. I find it absolutely daunting and baffling that Chibnall (a man who claims to be a massive Doctor Who fan) discouraged her from watching any of the previous 13 Doctors (and I'm including John Hurt's brief but enthralling time as The War Doctor). Hell she spent 3 years working with David Tennant (A Man whose portrayal of The 10th Doctor is put on Par with Tom Baker's 7 year run as The 4th Doctor) on the set of Broadchurch. Even Matt Smith (Who hadn't watched the show (mostly due to Who being off air during his childhood) prior to accepting the role) went back and thoroughly researched to a point that he found inspiration in Patrick Troughton'.
Honestly the Chibnall Era is one that gruesomely falls on the sword Chibnall used once to criticise the John Nathan Turner/Colin Baker Era of who as Chibnall describes (From 0:00 - 0:11 of this very video) yet his own writing is filled with poorly constructed exposition fuelled verbal diarrhea which Jodie (although a talented actress as seen when she is on stage or even in the Chibnall run Broadchurch) Blindly follows these lacklustre scripts cobbled together by Chibs and his circus of genre inexperienced writers resulting in this Satirical Doctor Caricature which seems like an BBC Funded fan film series rather than gripping Sci-Fi Fantasy drama.
For me when it comes to Modern Who it's like making a sandwich with Russell T Davies Era seems to be like fresh bakery bread it's new yet is made with an old, well balanced tried and tested formula that tastes familiar and homely, Moffat's Era is the filling which tries to be sophisticated & over the top but to also be familiar as well, like adding parmesan cheese and spicy pepperoni
whilst Chibnall's Era is like adding Marmite/ Vegemite an experimental decision that you either love or hate. A poorly executed decision when knowing there are other safer and more appealing relish/sauce options available.
Thank you for giving us a critical breakdown of the doctor's current lack of character without filling the video with hate or toxicity. We need more reviews like these.
Chibnall writes Doctor Who like he would write a fan fiction of a genderbent 11.
Yup
I know it's not the point of this video but good god do I hate the current TARDIS console it's just awful.
A perfect representation of every creative decision chibnall has made. His vision for the show will get the show cancelled.
Agreed. Playing the Doctor Who game on the Oculus Quest 2, I was excited about actually walking into the TARDIS... but then it was THAT interior. Still enjoying the game but could have been so much better.
I like the honeycomb Crystal look of the columns and am fine with the console itself but the room is horrible. It looks like a set in a room, it doesn’t have walls or anything it seems, it’s like a room they keep dimly lit solely to hide the fact that otherwise you would see the lighting rigs and so on. The TARDIS is a set we have all dreamt of being in, but previous incarnations of it, for the most part, looked like actual rooms. The console room for the The Three Doctors is similarly cobbled together and looks fake, but the new series TARDISes (even ones I did not personally like, like Smith’s in series 7B) all looked like actual places that exist in their own reality. It’s not a major gripe but it just drags everything down that tiny bit more for me.
Just about every scene with Graham and The Doctor dealing with sensitive issues has bugged me, both because she never addresses any concerns in an adult way and because no one who identifies as socially awkward tends to say that to people that make them feel awkward. They would want to be separate from the source of their anxiety and leave the scene to find a place to retreat. Hell, a doctor that doesn't want to deal with companions personal issues but can't travel without them would have been an interesting character arc. A Doctor searching for an identity after the 12th Doctor struggled to decide if he even wanted to go on would be really interesting. But nobody in this entire run has had a consistent motivation for anything that isn't contradicted by something a few shows later.
But there is no arc for this era of Who. Season 11 is a mess of singular episodes with barely a link between them much less the rest of the series. Season 12 brings back old characters and enemies but the doctor herself has no internal conflict to resolve. Everything that's interesting about the character hinges on the Timeless Child nonsense, which when it is revealed, doesn't even register as significant to the character beyond a tantrum with the Master and a chat with the Jo Martin Doctor.
Too many basic writing deficiencies and bad plot devices and development hinder every part of Chibnall's run as showrunner. His best episodes with previous showrunners were never great but because he was working in the wheelhouse of their plot ideas they were never as bad as these seasons have been. No one has established the parameters of the characters, plots or the world for him, so his writing seems to constantly flail about with ideas that are never properly realized and characters that never feel three dimensional.
It's a mess.
NO ONE asked for the timeless child either.
She looked amazing in Capaldi's clothes. Women in suits.
Kinky.
Lesbian? Lesbian.
@@PhoenixWrites2309 Me? XD
@@coolbanana165 lmao
@@PhoenixWrites2309 You meant me though or The Doctor? :p
jw
I still believe that Jodie Whittaker is playing an imposter Doctor and the real one is trapped in the time vortex by the "Big Bad Creature".
only problem with that is we watch Capaldi's doctor regenerate into Jodie's doctor.
@@ZUnknownFox i came up with a little scene that fixed everything. Jodie scrambles to her feet, the TARDIS doors still wide, flips a switch and they slam. Then the video screen flickers to life. It's the time lords. It's happened. The TARDIS ejected her it was so horrified. We've not been following the doctor,but the Valeyard for the past two series. The time lords provided the TARDIS they found on the desert planet to ensue the timeline was preserved which would lead up to Six's trial, which is a fixed point and must happen.
This all created by the dream lord and the real doctor will wake up.
Not gonna watch 13... done... solved....
@@ZUnknownFox I ALWAYS GOING TO SAY THIS:
i think the whole show should have ended with 12th doctor dying, like, finally having peace and resting forever, before that remembering his companions, and thanking them for the good times... sorry, but i'm not taking series 11 and 12 as canon..
I’m sorry to say it but she is utterly miscast.
She mugs and overplays it.
I hate that stupid gormless "huh?" face she constantly makes where her mouth is hanging open and she pulls up her top lip to show her front teeth
She basically cannot act. Before you say it, I endured the first series of "Broadchurch". Apart from Pauline Quirke and David Tennant there was nothing better than average acting. Witless did the opposite of "shine" in her role. Before you blame the writing, a real actor, Peter Capaldi, polished turds week on week. The stories weren't Dr Who and the companions were rubbish apart from Bradley Walsh.
@@KillerBill1953 sorry but are you calling Olivia Coleman average?
@@simonacolaprisca1773 No, I watched it once and the dull by numbers script bored me totally. Olivia Coleman would probably have made a good female Doctor if (and I don't) you accept the retcon that Timelords and Timeladies can change sex during a regeneration. Yes, she was as good as to be expected, m,ore like Peter Capaldi's Doctor than Jodie Witless's, but you seem to be missing my main point, Witless can't act.
Have a very good day, 11 years left.
@@KillerBill1953 I got the point, I wasn't commenting on that. I just don't think that Olivia Coleman acted badly in Broadchurch. I watched the series for Tennant and stayed for Coleman. Jodie Whittaker was the most annoying part of the show, if I'm being honest.
Biggest issue for me is the lack of chemistry between the doctor and companion. That was the glue that held the whole story together.
Russells second run has made the Chibnall era look like gold. Man really said "hold my beer, i can make it SO much worse"
Jodie’s performance in her COVID-19 video she took on her phone is very good. Better than most of her stuff on the show
Her facial expressions are just so over the top. Not to the point where she was a funny character but to the point where she feels like she’s playing a a character
She's disastrous. I wasn't happy when she was announced and nothing has changed that. ChibbyWho isn't Doctor Who.
Agreed. If they had made the Doctor a woman when they did the reboot in 2005, I would have gone with it, but they just did it when it was uber trendy. Chib is simply a bad writer.
When she said she had never seen any of Doctor Who and said the show celebrated the "white male gaze" I pretty much knew this was going downhill from there. Superb video and I can't wait for more. This was well put on the Doctor's character being all over the place. So much for future videos such as the dreadful music, TWO MANY COMPANIONS, the awful TARDIS interior and just blowing up canon for the sake of making fans argue instead of just having great stories.
Jodie's "white male gaze" comment shows how little she knows about the show. Since 1970 the main perspective has always been that of a WOMAN---a female companion who travels with the Doctor. Through HER eyes we have viewed this mysterious alien, and her job has been to make him more sympathetic and comprehensible. Up until 2018 we already had a female perspective but that was lost, ironically, once Jodie took over the role. Her Doctor is essentially genderless AND impossible to understand, with no strong female companion like Sarah Jane or Donna to provide enlightenment. ( Sorry, but Yaz doesn't count!)
@@hollyvanwye4438 you don't know what "white male gaze" means do you. Maybe instead of getting triggered you actually look up what it meant, before revealing your ignorance.
@@Alex-cw3rz You're the TRIGGERED ONE. 😂👆 What he said made a lot of sense.
@@Gary-Seven-and-Isis-in-1968 yeah out of us too I really seem the triggered one...
What that person said would only work if the scriptwriter was a women, but hay I understand your someone would would probably use SJW unironically, so understanding what words mean, is hard for you.
@@Alex-cw3rz You weren't even reacting to the person who originally made the reference. Plus your English is very poor. You need to steady yourself and try not to Troll others but begin to make useful original contribution.
Whole-heartedly agree, I feel like the only reason anyone likes her is because she’s the first female Doctor... but that shouldn’t be a replacement for a personality.
Two seires in and I don't know who this character is other than an eccentric primary school teacher - I can’t think of a single characteristic that’s exclusive to her Doctor (other than her gender). The extent of her Doctor being angry is just mildly pissed off and even with the Gallifrey arc this series all it really amounted to was her pushing The Master on the floor and being a bit shouty… far from The Fury of a Timelord or The Oncoming Storm. And I feel like the script is the only thing giving her any presence in the room - I get no aura of authority or gravitas from Thirteen.
Also, her performance is very one-note and there are times where she over-pronounces and speaks slowly (especially in exposition scenes) that really makes it feel like she’s just reading from a script.
I think she’s a massive miscast and the only reason she got the job was because it was the first woman Chibnall could think of (other than Olivia Coleman).
Olivia Coleman as a doctor would be pretty fantastic
And it's such a shame. Nutters will blame it on her being a woman, not on other poor choices.
I said before her series started, that her incarnation needed to have something special, a trait or gimmick that made her more than just "The woman one". They've not done a great job.
(I was hoping for a maker/tinkerer doctor. Always good to provide encouragement to women who are interested in S.T.E.M.)
@@thomasw4422 that'd be awesome!
existential yeah I agree but it’s unlikely that we would get her in the role as the doctor. She was in the Prisoner 0 episode with Smith and only played a disguise for 0 to hide in. Though it’s not unheard of, unlike with Capaldi, I believe that it would be a lot harder to try and sell that would benefit the story or have a pay off. Not to say that it’s not impossible though
@@mdrnlevi Olivia Coleman would've acted the hell out of the doctor
Jodie plays herself. In terms of acting she's kinda of a 9, but she's written as 11.
I think in real life she's quirky (God, I hate that word) and energetic, but she's clearly not used to bringing that out in roles.
Yeahh that sounds very likely, she seems to have mainly landed serious roles in the past. Her Doctor’s energy unfortunately feels a little forced.
@@JackWolf10 - yeah, some actors can only play themselves and others can only play different people. Either way is fine, but the writers and producers need to work out what kind if actor they're getting.
@@LukasOfTheLight - absolutely. I mean, the "mountainous summit" speech in The Haunting of Villa Diadati is awesome.
This exactly it.
@@nightowl8477 I found it cringe-inducing, not awesome.
"You can't throw quirks on a person and call it a character".
Summed it up perfectly.
She's never convinced me once that she's the Doctor
I didn’t mind the first series as much, but Chibnall’s second series really messed everything up for doctor who lord and I cannot believe he was allowed to rewrite history.
It's a parallel universe. Remember the Pandorica? Reboot the big bang?
You just hate Doctor Who.
@@ZeroOskul it's not a parallel universe, this plot twist is established to have been part of the story from the beginning before any of that even happened, no parallel universes involved. You keep saying "you just hate Doctor Who" but that isn't a fact at all, obviously the people in this comment section like Doctor Who, just not Jodie's. You don't get to decide other people's opinions, dickhead.
@@ZeroOskul Not at all. It's a show I've watched since the day it returned to TV, what I hate is someone destroying a storyline which was built up from then until the 50th anniversary.
Starkiller100 - Politics over story.
I found the plot twists annoying, but the actual writing seemed less bad.
"you can't simply throw quirks onto a person and call it a character"
That's basically all of Tumblr and Twitter these days though
All anybody is is their knowledge and quirks.
You just hate Doctor Who.
@@ZeroOskul *rolls eyes* No, there is more to a person then just quirks and knowledge. That's just a fallacy of the age of information and online interaction. Our quirks form from life experiences. You have experienced life completely different from me, thus your quirks form out of those experiences. Just attaching a quirk and calling it character building without the experience to drive said quirk is moronic character development and at worst derogatory.
Knowledge is just a tool we use, not a person themselves. a person may be knowledgable but they aren't defined by what they know so much as how they use what they know.
No, a person's existence is more than just quirks and knowledge. Each person is wholly unique and has to lead a life that leads them to who they are now.
Each Doctor up till 13 is an embodiment of knowledgeability contrasted by their quirks., that is true. But each doctor is shaped by experiences that lead them to develop those quirks. But the doctor isn't defined by his knowledge or his quirks, its how he uses that knowledge to help others. 13 is inconsistent and at times ruthlessly incompetent compared to the doctors before her. her "quirks" are spontaneous and vary between episodes.
And thus, he does not hate Doctor who, he hates bad character development.
@@ZeroOskul you're missing one big part. Memories. Jodie's Doctor doesn't feel like she has 2000+ years of experience, of love and loss, friends and enemies, mistakes and regrets. She's just kind of a quirky human woman with a TARDIS, not an ancient Time Lord who's commited xenocide against several species and saved a hundred thousand more
Yup.
@@Liz-lq8hw Yes, I think "ancient cosmic knowledge" is a phrase any actor playing the Doctor should bear in mind.
It's weird cause there's (in my opinion) only ONE episode I can clearly say Jodie is playing The Doctor, and that's The Haunting of Villa Diodati, she's still playing 13, but with that good old Timelord arrogance and sarcasm, she's playful and soft but with a rough edge and a sprinkle of a god complex while not throwing out 13's surface level traits, I struggle rewatching Chibnall Who but Villa is such a good episode in comparison, it's my most rewatched episode of Jodies era and it just makes me want some parallel universe of Jodies doctor being as well done as that single episode. Don't get me wrong, it still has a lot of Chibby problems but less of them, and that extra breathing room allows me to ignore the few remaining Chib traits in the episode
when Davros told the 10th and the 12th doctor about how he always kept running, never looking back
they meant that as him moving on from his companions departures, and deep down feeling so much guilt over the mistakes he had made
if Davros told 13 all she does is run away, i promise she will literally just run out of the room, cause some explosions then chill with the fam on the tardis
Doctor Who has gone from 'I disagree with the characterisation of this companions relationship sub plot' to not even watching it.
Can I just say, forgetting Dr Who - your videos are a really great resource for writers trying to avoid the pitfalls that bring down these shows. Thanks for putting all the work in.
Something I have said since Chibnall was announced as the new showrunner: Chris Chibnall can't write his way out of a paper bag when it comes to Doctor Who. He's the reason we have Cyberwoman (*gag*), and all of his Doctor Who episodes from before he took over were mediocre at best. He is the worst possible candidate for a new showrunner and I have no idea why he was picked. I'm sure that Whitaker would've been a great Doctor if not for Chibnall's awful writing and direction and insistence that she not read up on the role first.
The whole Cyberwoman thing is definitely definitely just wrong
I could be completely biased here but I first saw Jodie whittaker in broadchurch and thought her character was annoying. I personally think if they would've had a stronger actress (like Missy) even with script flubs they could have worked with it and made something somewhat watchable?
@lioness14 I don't wanna say bad. She's just not a strong actress. For example, I think David Tennant is a phenomenal actor. I've seen a lot of his work (he's also in broadchurch) and he really embodies and makes enjoyable every character he plays. She just doesn't have that same presence and while I see the writing hasn't been great, I feel like doctor who has always had campy episodes and discontinuity at times but people have given it a pass because of how compelling the actors have been. I really am curious why they cast Jodie in this role aside from the fact that chibnall (I really keep wanting to write his name as chinball but I digress...) Worked with her in broadchurch? I mean I feel like turning the doctor into a woman could've been great but it's just not.
Tldr: yeah, she's not that great of an actress.
Jazzy Waffles - they picked chibnall because he was willing to take the show in the direction the person in charge wanted. Agenda over story.
I'm sorry, I just noticed but you're right. Even in the original Torchwood his episodes were the worst.
A small thing but she says “fam” tells u all u need to know about the direction they are going
It's a trying time in the world right now, and we needed a Doctor. Lo and behold the universe send us Jack W.
I think Jodie's problem is emoting. We have just not see those emotion packed performances of Eccleston, Tennant. Smith or Capaldi. she is very bland I thought it was the writing but there's no emotion when she's supposed to emote she just speaks the lines. The writing is terrible but none of the writers have no experience writing SCiFi or Docotr Who. it's awful
I think she tries to do emotion but fails completely because she doesn't do the Doctor's kind of emotion
She reminds me of John Simm's shitty acting. The way the eyes aren't emoting or turned to the camera enough. The unnatural delivery that sounds like someone reading a script, rather than talking from the heart.
@@Scroteydada have to disagree there John Simm can emote, but i will agree his acting can be hit and miss sometimes but his Master was just absolutely mental. His emotional state was up and down like a roller-coaster and I thought he was a great foil for Tennants spitting crying Doctor. Michelle Gomez's Missy was a perfect match for Capaldi's measured performance she really bought a lot of playfulness to Capaldi's seriously grumpy easily irritated Doctor, but Simm's manic angry Master did not work as well with Capaldi . He came across like an angry School kid challenging a vastly superior intellect, Missy however was an intellectual equal. I would add that Simm was exceptional in Life on Mars. I think his type of acting requires a powerful sort of presence or personality for him to bounce off ( like Philip Glenister) when he hasn't got that he becomes quite ordinary. I think that is what you are seeing.
Bad writing plus bad acting.
Bring Peter back, we didn’t have enough of him.
I love when the doctor has morally questionable opinions and decisions, yet Jodie’s morally questionable opinions and decisions are so drastic and sudden with no proper arc throughout and literally isn’t even judged or opposed whatsoever, so it gives the impression that the writers just think it’s fine for the doctor to be this way because she’s “always righteous and correct”
I’m not an actor so I’m not an expert... but doesn’t her performance feel like the ones you’d see in fan films?
You just hate Doctor Who.
Matt Smith is just exactly the kind of performance you described.
@@ZeroOskul the lowest ratings in years might tell you why.
@@visibletonone.superiortoal2033 It has low ratings because you hate it; you do not hate it because it has low ratings.
You just hate Doctor Who.
zerooskul disliking one era does not mean they hate the previous 54 years before hand.
@@ZeroOskul No the ratings shouldn't really be taken seriously as there are too many conflating factors. I don't agree with Matt Smith being the same. He had an actual identity as a dark traveller posing as a fairy tale character. I can't see 13 as anything unique.
I can't wait for the next showrunner, hopefully Doctor Ruth won't be transferred across and the doctor will get his memories back Chinballs is about to wipe.
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Jeez chibnall is like that one kid in class when teacher ask a question like a quizz who answer will get a bonus score and raise his hand up saying "me! me!" while everybody in class just silent and the teacher doesnt want to choose him but choose him eventually because no one other than him raise hand
The first time I really connected to the 13th doctor was in the tiny scene that was filmed for Lockdown. It actually felt like a character instead of a cipher for the writer. Perhaps unsurprisingly, this is a script Jodie actually had a lot of input into. Hopefully she'll be more outspoken in the next series
I want to add that 13 is extremely passive in most of the stories she’s in and the ep when she plays an active role, it’s an ultimately selfish one where she chooses one person over the entirety of the human race (even though Captain Jack - a beloved companion - warned her not to). Genuinely angers me every time I think about it.
The Doctor would not sacrifice the human race for one person especially if that person is begging the Doctor to save mankind first. Jack would ask the doctor to save humanity first i mean to save the universe from the daleks he willingly kept firing on them to delay them for a few more seconds till he ran out of bullets then got killed.
@dr103 The Doctor has almost always put the needs of the many over the needs of the few. And this is one of the only times where The Doctor failed to live up to it. And even in the times when The Doctor doesn’t (such as in Hell Bent or Waters of Mars), it’s always represented with repercussion and consequence. In this case, she killed the entirety of the human race, did absolutely nothing to try and rectify the situation, and the one moment where she could’ve faced the consequence, Ko Sharmus steps in and The Doctor runs away like a coward.
@@NickName183 I think the big precedent for this is Genesis of the Daleks, when the Doctor refuses to destroy the first Daleks. It's a decision that still annoys me.
@@ThreadBomb I think it’s a fair point however surely 9 incarnations later, being hundreds of years older, and arguably most importantly - the Time War, would be enough to not repeat the same mistake you made in your 4th
@@ThreadBomb And even then with Genesis, you could at least be like “Well he would be severely impacting his own personal timeline if he destroys the Daleks” whereas there’s no excuse like that to justify Haunting. If anything, she made a moment in flux definitive by her own selfish actions killing everyone for a brief sense of moral righteousness.
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Excellent analysis. Very few people understand story structure and character building but many can intuit something's wrong without being able to put their fingers on it. This clearly and dispassionately breaks down the defects in a way non-writers can comprehend. I certainly hope you get work as a writer.
"It's Jodie" "It's on the page" I'm sensing a contradiction here.
I haven't seen Series 12 yet and The Doctor uses Racism as a tool to beat the Master?! 3 years ago you punched a racist in the face!
They also said to always be kind, never be cowardly and never eat pears. Se's only held up on of those.
I don't think Chibnall watched any of Capaldi's run because he didn't get to write a story for him. Shame. Could've been so much better if he took some cues from Capaldi.
the BBC also forgot that the Nazis where also hypocrites to a degree and did allow non Aryans into the SS especially look it up, i mean he has talent so they would keep him around.
@@Historyfan476AD The SS admitted some foreigners at the lower levels, but they would never have had Jews or people with dark skin.
@@ThreadBomb Yeah but the BBC would not know that anyway. They probably don't even realise what the SS actually where.
wait... what??? WHYYYY
Character writing 101: Make milestones for the character and try to find your way there through their minor progressions. Problem: Thirteen has moments that seem like milestones although nothing leads to them and nothing comes of them as there’s no arc
I could say a looooot about Chibnal,
but i wanna make a more positive comment,
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I agree with going for a wardrobe like Missy’s. A RP accent might have helped also.
She needs it. Jodie just doesn’t have the presence of Alex Kingston or Michelle Gomez.
The way I'd describe the 13th Doctor, is ditzy. She seems to have a few screws loose, and solutions just seem to fall into her lap. And honestly, if they actually played into that, and made her the ditzy Doctor, it might actually work a lot better, than what we have now.
I really thought that Ryan sending A genocidal racist from the future back in time was gonna have some sort of consequences in the Rosa Park episode, since it was sort of set up that way. But no let's just focus on how woke the new Doctor is. Oops she just weaponized the Master's ethnicity against him during WWII.
We just had that Central Park jogger lady do the SAME THING and people were outraged.Maybe that was actually the Doctor!
I guess racism is fine when the victim is a bad person?
God dang My man, finally back
Love how I watch these videos even though i stopped watching as soon as 12 regenerated
That scene where graham is in the tardis with the doctor talking about his cancer fears...i have been thinking that people are editing her to say that...what...that is so clumsily written and...UNdoctorlike......i didn't think chibs could be that bad......
Unlike my Dad you came back!
I have never wanted to re-watch an episode of Jodie Who and the strongest emotion of watching her era is annoyance.
God I love Eccelston's Doctor. Still get chills from "The Doctor Dances"
RTD was always fantastic at characterisation but could be weak on plot- particularly the science fiction elements. Moffat was fantastic on plot but was sometimes criticised for his characters. Then you have Chibnall who seems to be weak on both and that's the issue.
I really love Jodie and I so wanted her to do well as the first female doctor. She's not the problem, she's a fantastic actress. It's the writing- particularly the dialogue. We haven't gone past the shallow layer of her character.
Moffat actually took risks with his characters which made them feel more fleshed out than Davies'. He has an understanding of psychology that Davies didn't have the balls or ability to put into a children's show because when he writes for children, he doesn't respect them as much as Moffat does. The only one of Davies' characters who was really fleshed out was Jack Harkness and most of that nuance and development happened in Torchwood. The other companions had safe, fairly basic arcs and therefore wouldn't ruffle any feathers (although Donna was literally character assassinated at the end of hers). Moffat is simply a better writer than Davies by every metric. It's going to be emphasised when Davies runs Doctor Who into the ground. Maybe a miracle will happen but those are few and far between.
I remember being so excited for series 11. The more than a year of waiting since the reveal of the Doctor was torture. Then I watched the first episode, texted my friend excitedly about it, and continued watching. But after the entire series, I just had a rather blank space where my reaction should have been. At best, it was very concerning. At worst, it felt like a incoherent rehash (especially with Battle of somethingsomething fresh on my mind). Series 12 made me realize the series had effectively had a reboot in all but name, so I silently wished it farewell after The TImeless Children.
On the flip side, I started rewatching New Who when it released on HBO Max, and have been loving it so far. Treating Twice Upon a Time as a finale for the series has actually made even some of the weaker points acceptable, and the brilliant points even more special. For example, the first time we get an uncut transition from the back of the outside of the Tardis to the interior (The Snowmen) reveals the definitive and last Tardis iteration. Or the last Doctor being someone who comes to grips with long-term lessons his previous incarnations wrestled with ("I'm actually afraid of dying." -Heaven Sent). Seeing the Doctor go from someone that just walked out of a war, to realizing that there is always a way for everyone to live has been a fantastic ride, and while I'm done with whatever the series produces next, I'm more than happy with what we have been given in the past.
I know some Classic Who fans weren't a fan of New Who. So I guess that's my feeling towards post series 10, whatever we want to call it (Fam Who?). But at least with 1-10, there is the benefit of a complete arc of multiple threads in a satisfying conclusion. And rewatching that journey again has been fantastic.
16:40 well... there was one consequence... the fandom got pissed off royally and with good reason.
This was really well-articulated. I’m glad I found this!
This is one of the best videos I've seen on this topic. None of the angry nerd stuff, just well worded explanation. Great stuff!