Hasan Piker, Jinx, and the Issue of "Reaction" Content
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This video/channel is actually banned on Hasan's subreddit. Priceless.
Always a good sign of maturity and the willingness to enter into a discussion to block/ban other folks who call you out (and rightly so) on something. LOL
No surprise, guy is a fuk boi wanna be,
god I hate when people do that. how hard is it to admit you fucked up?
I love how peoPle assume Hasan is the one issuing the ban when it could have been any of the mods
i mean thats a badge of honour in my book.
Banning a chatter for telling you to credit a creator is definitely a very rational thing people in the right do.
I can't fathom how he gauges whether someone deserves a ban.
He is a malignant narcissist, so he uses loud emotional reactions to thinks like that cause he knows he was hiding Jay's title in the main video, but he also know his audience is stupid
@@petriew2018 he suggested that he payed the artist with exposure in defence. Dude he is fucking rich... What an asshole.
@@petriew2018 Fatherless Behavior
@@Divine_Allure From what I've seen it's "this person isn't worshipping me!"
“He’s live for 13 hours he needs downtime” BUT DOES HE NEED TO STREAM FOR 13 HOURS A DAY?!?!
Of course he has to stream for 13 hours, how else is a socialist like him supposed to keep getting the money to pay for his multimillion dollar house if he doesn't milk every cent out of the dumbasses who actually throw money at him for some reason?
NO! He doesn't. It's absolutely unnecessary. There is something we need to note though, it isn't a justification. That's how he built his career.
He got popular because he streamed for ungodly amounts of hours EVERYDAY. That worked for him and made him successful. Because of his dedication the server he was streaming on favored him, so did the people who knew they could just watch him whenever they wanted.
What he did/does works, and makes him more money in this system. This is how he built his career. So, it's not bold to say it's all he knows. With this I hope we can give more effective feedback so he learns something. He probably won't though... He's been on the firing line too much to be receptive to disagreement, from comment sections.
exactly haha
can't they even just put up an AFK/pause screen?
@@angel_of_rust there are so many ways to get around leaving for a period of time such as using, like you said, an afk screen, playing royalty free music CZcams provides, playing one of his own videos for that time, or doing the Gigabrain move of not streaming for 13 hours a day. The reason Hassan and other streamers like him do not change is simply because they are unwilling to and do not actually care about providing “exposure” or “clout” to other channels like they claim.
Imagine how pissed Jinx is that he got widely ridiculed, only for big “creators” being defended and praised for doing exactly the same thing today
@ᴄᴏᴜʀᴛɴᴇʏ ᴡʜɪᴛᴍᴏʀᴇ
I feel sorry for him in that the whole thing isn’t fair, but I don’t feel sorry about the backlash he got. It was just as scummy back then as it is now and I highly doubt the “reactors” don’t see the problem with what they do.
Honestly I think what's happening now is worse than what Jinx did
Also, the fact that current react content has gotten so bad that Jay is DEFENDING him. He actually credited the original creators and asked people to check them out, Hasan did no such thing until he got called out.
Yeah honestly feel bad for the guy saw him recently at another creators wedding seemed like a truly chill and down to earth guy did not deserve to get dogpiled the way he did
@ᴀꜱᴜᴋᴀ ᴀꜱᴜᴋᴀ I mean cmon he got millions of views for doing nothing. Please dont feel bad
"React harder" is a perfect example of how meme culture overwrites people's abilities to think conceptually or critically on any level.
Great point.
Cope and seeth loser
(This is a joke and an example... Ok)
To be fair people have been dumb for a really really long time.
More like it's an obvious malignant narcissist using memes as a shield from criticism, and the fact that he purposefully cultivates a braindead audience lends him a shield cause even if all his viewers saw this video they'd think it was Hasan's work if he played it on his stream
@@adeptusfantasticus I fully agree with you but I don't think Hassan is smart enough to do it on purpose... Its just the path of least effort and so like a warm turd he just slinks and slides his way on into it.
The thing that annoys me most is I've often seen streamers apologize for pausing the video, which is wild. That's basically proof to me that the videos are what people watch streamer react content for, not the actual reactions.
Oh, for sure. I have seen a lot of people being harrased for "pausing the video too much", despite commenting on the video being the point. I think a lot of viewers need to be properly reintroduced to the genre, because so many miss the point.
If that happens it just shows that you're not "properly" reacting. You're just playing a video with you in the background.
Thats so wild to me, like if I dont want someones commentary/ take on something I just dont watch their react video, right? I mean if I just want the original content I can just find that
I don't get the mindset of people like this. Like, just watch the original video??
My explanation for why this sort of thing happens is that people have really strong parasocial feelings so when they watch videos on Hasan's channel they think of it as watching a video "with their friends". Unfortunately, that's not what's actually going on.
I genuinely don’t understand how people can watch an 8+ hour stream of literally a guy watching videos that you could watch
Because they think the streamers is their friend and they legit think they're watching a video with their friend. Its embarrassing and parasocial. These streamers hate their audience, they like their audiences money.
@@martymcfly88mph35 Parasocial is such a good word and I am glad it exists, but I prefer to just call them "Social Parasites" since it just hits harder to separate the words.
Most people don't watch for the entire time obviously
@@paxman192 Even still, you run the chance of just tuning in to an empty chair with a video you could just watch on your own. I believe Hasan has also made the argument that his audience will migrate to the original video, but that's not very likely in reality.
They're there to watch him call Adam Something both a Nazi and communist in the same breath.
The mental gymnastics of agreeing with someone, calling them a dumbass, banning them, and then continuing on by saying what they suggested is obvious all while not implementing the change they suggested. How is this man real.
he's left wing.
@@angel_of_rust right wingers do this shit even more. Wtf are you even on about lmao
less brain cells than a dead rat
@@angel_of_rustand he’s a socialist, 2 of the 4 horseman of cringe 😬
Typical 45IQ conservative comments
“Dude, he streams for 8 hours, cut him some slack!” How about don’t stream for 8-12 hours if you can’t entertain people for that long. He’s creating his own issue
If retail workers can work 10 hours or so with only one 15 minute break while under pressure, Hassan can stream as well.
@@nihili4196 it's a very different skillset, and a different type of effort required. Being able to do one doesn't mean being able to do the other.
@@matthewparker9276 You're seriously missing the point here.
yeah, it's this fake idea that because he works hard or he works a lot, he can do whatever he wants
@@matthewparker9276 yeah, working on your feet for 12 hours straight, constantly moving and expending a relatively large amount of energy is so much easier than sitting in front of a camera making money off of someone else's work while occasionally stringing 5 words together.
The "he gave you clout and views." Is just the "I'll pay you in exposure" argument that artists get for commissions. It's dumb and few people on earth are actually able to pay in exposure, and the ones that are, are worth enough that they can pay
I mean is it not technically true though when it comes to smaller online content creators? even if the video is good that doesn't mean that it will naturally generate views however if a channel consistently produces good content then a lot of people viewing it through a twitch streamer will be inclined to subscribe and look forward to future videos
@@Viole01
Why bother, when the streamer plays the videos for them?
@@randomjunkohyeah1 I'd imagine that the traction would be nice for smaller channels as it could lead to subscribers and views if the content they produce is good and in the case of larger content creators they lose absolutely nothing and simply gain more awareness
@@Viole01 I have a feeling you didn't actually watch this entire video. He addresses these points. Plus show I'm willing to doubt anyone can show a consistent pattern in which twitch streamers are showing CZcams channels that don't already have a significant following. I mean, Hasan used to watch a lot of master chef, you gonna tell me Hasan is the one giving awareness to Gordon Ramsay?
@@Viole01 I doubt Twitch viewers are jumping over to YT to watch content they're already watching through a Twitch streamer.
When Jinx was called out by GradeAUnderA, he seemed to feel guilty and actually stopped making videos. You can't find his channel anymore. When Hasan was called out by Jay Exci, he apologized before getting pissy. But he still "reacts" to everyone else's videos.
Say what you want about Jinx, but at least he quit making shit content.
And, at least Jinx didn't decide to stream for hours without so much as an intermission screen, and actually stayed seated throughout the videos to which he reacted. Hasan is quite well off, and he chooses to do this shit, and not take breaks from streaming. What a fucking joke.
@@marlonmontelhiggins8570 It's a coin toss for me if marathon streamers like him are not just literally cripplingly addicted to the attention.
@@sourhour3403 I think it's definitely a contributing factor
He still does some pretty shit reaction content, he just has less audience nowdays
Why couldn’t Jinx just make…better content?
It baffles me that literally every streamer I watch regularly has little "be back soon" animated scenes with audio that they can pop on if they need to leave for a few moments, and some people don't seem to even realize that's an option
they know it's a option but not a popular one since their views are dropping. so basically they keep those video running only bc of money
It'd be lowkey hilarious if Hasan watches this on stream.
Hi chat
50% he'll go to the toilet while it runs.
@@Alias_Anybody if he does that he'll miss the part where Jay got a Jodie Whittaker cameo
It’d be lowkey hilarious if Jay watched that on stream…
He gets up and misses the part about him getting up
This is main monitor content.
Hello MMO-man
Supreme praise
@Josh can I play your content on my second monitor so I can play this video on my main monitor? just this once
Crossover episode
*Critiquing Josh Strife Hayes criticisms of MMOs by giving disgusted looks occasionally while remaining almost completely mute throughout the video reaction*
The funny thing is I'm watching this video a year later while Jack is once again battling a stealing-reactor (SSSnipeWolf). Like with Jinx, he's been reacting to her reactions, only this time has been grading her poor feedback and going out of his way to credit the original videos if he can find them. His comment section has been filled with other CZcamsrs cheering Jack on with this crusade.
I think this whole discourse is corny. Nobody is clicking Jinx's video over the original if they wanted to watch the original video.
its about ownership. You dont get to steal videos, period.@@gxdbig00
@@gxdbig00Ignoring obvious bait...
Content aggregation is not to be underestimated.
A one-stop-shop channel for all the popular and high quality videos out there, all uploaded onto a single channel which has barely any commentary over the videos meaning you lose nothing of the videos themselves?
What's not to love?
...It's sad the internet doesn't understand how Fair Use works. It's not that hard a concept to wrap your head around: Changing the bottom corner pixels of a video isn't legally transformative.
@@finn_underwood Genuinely Jinx has fans that would watch his personal vlogs and skits. This "one stop shop" mentality is a YOU thing you don't speak for his fans.
@@gxdbig00that implies they are always being given both videos at once.
Imagine being so entitlted that you feel like you deserve to be paid to cook food, eat dinner and take a shit.
To be fair, it does sound like a dream come true XD
imagine being paid to do the same things everyone else does normally.
streamers really are trapped in their own mental bubble.
Tbf it’s accepted to poop on the clock
I mean, if you're cooking for someone ELSE, then yes, you deserve to be paid.
@@lazaroskarmaniolas7410 you get the point 🤓
Hasan's argument style summed up the problem with "debate bro" culture.
- He took your valid critiques & requests & inflated them into something ridiculous ("so you don't want me to take breaks now?? So you don't want me to eat??")
- Turned his response into a snappy catchphrase ("react harder")
- And suddenly your original point has been lost and the friendliness of your approach has been overruled.
Manipulative af
Hasan isn't a "debate bro" though, hell he actively hates them since his falling out with Destiny.
It's manipulative only if the IQ of the person watching is equal to their age.
Good point, this comment is a great way to sum up the sophistry the breadtube uses to fool their audience into thinking they win debates.
@@Divine_Allure That's quite an idiotic thing to say and it's still not an excuse
@@OM-wl7qe Oh, I didn't mean it as an excuse. I was trying to express,albeit poorly, how baffled I was that this tactic had worked at all.
Hasan’s whole career is taking other people’s work and showing it to his audience. Without this content aggregation he could fill maybe 15 minutes of a stream a day. It is why he is so defensive, other people’s unpaid labour is all he has.
On CZcams, editing makes transforming someone’s work into a distinct product far easier as you can choose to only take the relevant parts and creatively alter even what you do take. On a livestream, you just have a pause button. A no effort pause button to go along with the no effort content. I find it worse that Hasan has convinced countless thousands that his particular form of exploitation is okay. A business model where all the labour you use to generate profit is unpaid is the wet dream of every corporation. Imagine generating millions in profit and brand growth on the backs of countless non-consenting writers and content creators, and feeling absolutely no need to give back. Worse, throwing a hissy fit whenever people point this out and then claiming to be a socialist that is concerned with worker exploitation.
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wait it's that australian guy from the DarkViperAU stream!? crazy
Lmao, reacting to content = Amazon forcing their workers to pee into bottles. Okay dude nice comparison you got there.
@@weeagona It's not the comparison he makes though. Amazon pays their workers. You can criticise the amount they pay but it's not relevant, it's a whole different issue.
Ironic how they say you think streamers are content slaves when their favorite streamer treats EVERYBODY like content slaves
Also hasan can just…not stream for 13 hours a day?
@@L.A.B59 too much thinking for a twitch streamer, dude cant even form a sentence
God I wish Hasan could actually take and respond to criticism maturely instead of jumping to calling people deranged and psychotic and downright insulting them.
Hasan*
He knows he can't. If he actually started to accept criticism, his fanbase might *finally* have the veil lifted and realise what he is. The man is a multi-millionaire, living in a insanely expensive house, in a rich area, he drives a expensive sports car, refuses to pay those that work for him, while pushing out overpriced merch.
He is the most blatant grifter I have ever seen, and I think he knows it too. If he allows himself to not be "perfect" in front of his audience, that house of cards is gonna collapse.
@@blackdragoncyrus thx
The funny thing is dunkey actually tweeted a picture of Hasan reacting to his videos and requested that twitch added an option to go subscribe to the channel who's videos are being reacted to so I don't think he is 100% fine with people "reacting" to his stuff.
"Hey, you probably shouldn't stream someone else's video while going to the bathroom and cooking."
"You want me to piss in bottles and starve to death???"
Humans are known for their complex problem solving.
I think it was very clear if hasan doesnt steal he wil starve since he doesnt know anything else
Yeah but he literally doesn't have to. Like you people can cry till your run out of tears he doesn't have to give a fuck. Its not illegal. What are you gunna do? Piss ? Shit ? Cum????
@@mertarican5456 just say "I've never watched any of his content and have no idea what I'm talking about" next time
@@Versace_sheets i mean, a lot of shit is legal that isn't cool. Cheating on your partner is legal, you won't get arrested for it. Just cause he's not breaking the law doesn't mean he's not being a twat
@@Versace_sheets Dafuq kind of defense it that? All of the arguments Jay makes are moral/ethical ones about how you *shouldn't* essentially steal other people's content. The fact that it's legal is irrelevant. I could do tons of shitty things that are legal every day, but I don't do them because they are shitty things to do. "Well you are legally allowed to be a piece of shit" isn't a valid counter to "you shouldn't be a piece of shit"
Hasan can't take criticism. He regularly goes off on random chatters for saying something he disagrees with and bans them. Still haven't watched your full video, but I definitely have an idea of how it's going to play out.
In the business we call this kind of thing a "red flag" for a creator.
near the end of the video Jay shows a stream of Hasan where a viewer just tells Hasan to like give credit. you know, to the people's content they're stealing. then he goes off on them, says they're right, you see the gears turning on what hes ganna say next like a orangutan trying to figure out how the magic trick worked. he ended the entire thing by saying "uh no it was on the screen for like a hour"
it was on for 18 seconds
to be fair that's like every twitch streamer ever. Name ONE streamer that NEVER bans people from chat. they all do. Especially pokimane and the other streamers. they ban way more people.
@@comdrive3865 That might also be because they've got two-hundred dozen horny guys in their chat being gross. I'm absolutely not trying to defend them, and from what I hear they like to foster echo chambers too. But "It's alright because everyone does it" isn't a valid argument.
@@comdrive3865 It depends on why though. He's not the only one obviously, but if even the lightest bullet point of critique has him going off on a tangent about how people criticizing want him to off himself, then somebody is just sensitive as fuck for the work they do. It doesn't help that the people who defend him in those moments come across as someone that would drink his piss if they could.
I actually think "react harder" is completely valid.
exactly. yes, "React Harder". if you can't, don't watch the video. only react when you think you can bring something to the table. that's how Ludwig does it, he straight up doesn't react to many styles of content, such as video essays.
They are called ‘reaction CZcamsrs’ for a reason. They are supposed to react. It’s their literal job.
@@The_BIaze 8:08
It is a little hypocritical of hasan to say that he's giving creators exposure when he preaches how people should be repaid for their labor and that its not right to profit excessively over someone else's labor. He is being a bit predatory and exploitive.
A lot of what you kinda call normal Lefty people call him out on it for being hypocritical.
It's almost as if most of the top twitch streamers care about literally nothing else other than "content" and profit.
They don't care about having values and morals, so long as they can profit and convince their dumb fanbase to blindly support everything they do.
@@liyanqil Hasan is extremely hypocritical, and any sane leftie can see that. I like him sometimes and agree with most of his politics, but he in no ways practices what he preaches. He's also insanely sensitive, way too stubborn. So whenever he has an awful take (which happens too often) he is unable to say he was wrong. He's also such an easy target for right wingers. He says so many things that are extremely yikes out of context, and is to stubborn to right the dumb shit he says.
@@liyanqil Yeah, I first heard about him and a baseline of his politics and that he discusses it on streams and was like "Oh okay, sounds alright" but seeing all of this and the way he talks makes me think less of him, the reductive way he's making content (Which the 8 hour stream trend tends to essentialise) and the way he defends it is just disappointing, it shows a disregard for his own content and a vapid push for hours because that get's you more money and traction on Twitch.
"a bit"
So weird how people can be incredibly loyal to a guy who just quietly shows them other people's work.
What I'm seeing is that politics seem to be a reason as to why they are so lenient with him? It makes no sense but okay.
@@theunbearablejuan yea I definitely think his left wing politics are a part of it
@Brendin00 Here's the thing: I am a Libertarian. And you know what? At least in the States, the majority of the movement is a laughing stock that takes their position as a possible political alternative as seriously as Hasan's chair while he leaves to cook. I don't want to be associated with them.
You would think it'd be logical to distance yourself from bad actors even if they agree with your politics but what do I know?
@@theunbearablejuan for sure!
@@theunbearablejuan His political alignement is just an image. Lots of zoomers and young millenials are trending towards progressive and socialist ideals. I don't see anything wrong with that but I'm not here to debate political ideas, but he panders to them. The thing is that now that he grew so much his channel by being this leftist bro, the community in his channel sustains by itself. You can see when he literally leaves the room and the chat is still spamming, people are there to hang out with their internet pseudo friends and have hassan validating their behaviour. You can see with a bunch of streamers, not only left ones. They become more boring or uncreative, but their fanbase is already built, so just having your face there, sometimes spitting some stuff that shows your personality, and let other creators (reacts) and the chat itself make the content.
Oh, hey, I agree with 100% of this! I'm glad you made this video so I can just link to it instead of having to make the same damned arguments over and over again.
I've had big streamers, including Hasan's chair, "react" to my videos, and I've found that the "bump" in views and subs is indistinguishable from day-to-day variations.
I absolutely encourage people to react to my content, provided that they actually add some value. I want to know what people have to say! But you can definitely add me to the list of creators who are sick of chair reactions.
Classic NJB win
I love the "Hasan's chair" part lmao
Orange pilled
@@Plant_btwe should all just call these kinds of reactions “hassans chair” reactions from now on lmao
its not gonna stop its too popular
To be fair, hasans stream improves significantly when he isn't in it.
Right ? It's almost like watching good content.
I imagine with people like Hasan, the chat and community are more exciting than the actual creator.
I used to watch him but honestly just hearing a guy scream at dumb stuff/play videos and either shout over them or leave the room is just such an irritating waste of time
Clarifications and corrections:
Hasan's business email IS publicly listed in his twitter bio, which I literally show on screen but somehow didn't notice while making this. It still shouldn't be a creator's responsibility to check but disregard any points about it being unclear how to contact him. That was a massive brain fart on my part.
"Why did you wait 6 months to make this video?"
I always intended to make it, but had other projects I wanted to make first.
"Why are you making fun of Hasan for forgetting a word?"
That was not my intent. There are a few jokes in the segment where I cover Hasan's reaction, and maybe I didn't understand him as clearly as I could have, but the important point of that section of the video is that spending 2 minutes making vague comments is not enough to meet the standards I outline in this video. If you have one takeaway from that section of the video, please make it that.
"You are pretending this is all of Hasan's react content when he is actually known for pausing."
No, I am not. You were not paying attention. I explicitly say in the video at 10:12. In the streams of Hasan's that I watched for this video it seemed pretty clear that this is something he generally only does while he's eating. I do not believe there is any excuse to EVER create a react video without even attempting to transform it or shoutout its creator.
I use the word cabbage as a joke insult in this video along with the words rhombus, muppet, and lemon. Apparently there are parts of the world where cabbage is an ableist slur? I suppose there are some things you can only find out after you post the video and someone tells you. Hopefully the context makes it clear that I was referring to the food, and not trying to invoke any other meaning the word has. Still though, here's a clarification just in case.
Congrats on almost half a million
Literally anything can be a slur, what matters is the speaker's intent and you obviously weren't using it as a slur, so you're good.
I don't think hassan viewers have a lot on room on this anyway
You should have picked another harmless foodstuff instead, like crackers, for example...
And here i was thinking using cabbage as an insult is a Jersey thing.
The saddest thing is that most people in this "react harder" mindset will miss and convolute these thoroughly explained arguments. Hats off to you for coming in to make the sensible arguments when some idiotic mindset emerges in the community.
By miss these arguments do you by chance mean willfully ignore?
I think the saddest part is that people seem to enjoy watching it.
Well the only content creators that say something about this is when they dont care if people are watching their videos and content but just if they are being benefited out of people watching the video.
I understand why that is i just wish when art or content was made it was made to be enjoyed and watched not cause it will directly benefit the person making it, if you make something only to gain something out of it and think that the impact it has outside of it benefiting you is meaningless then thats just kinda of sad
Yeah because all of the arguments can be shut down by "no its not very transformative"
@@Florescentia02 well yeah but the only diference in someone showing it to people and people watching it directly from you is that you only benefit moneteraly from one of those, but i think its sad to create art or any kinda of content with the sole intent to benefit yourself moneteraly from it, i think it takes meaning and significance away from what you made
"React harder" would be a fantastic rebuttal if Hasan like... Reacted.
"Actually React" would be a far better representation.
It's painful how badly people arguing that way missed the entire point.
"you're just saying you want me to react harder" is never a good argument because "reacting harder" and "adding something of any worth or value to the content large enough for it to be considered an addition" are 2 very seperate asks that reactors clearly cant tell the differance between.
He does this all the time when people criticize him. He just trivializes the complaint to a single phrase and pretends that it's completely unreasonable. He even called it a BS complaint. This is like when somebody tells a comedian they aren't funny, and the comedian starts shouting the N word in response.
@@megamax898 it's how gaslighting and manipulation works bruddah
Man, people are talking like Hasan is their babysitter. He literally puts on a video to keep the kids distracted while he cooks.
it's literally so they don't leave the stream because our attention spans are broken.
I love this retreat to 'Hasan streams for like 8 hours a day, the guy has to eat and pee...' as a defence. No one forces Hasan to stream for so long. Its his choice. The guy isn't an employee forced to work set shifts. So the fact he has to eat and then leaves his audience to sit watching an empty chair is not an excuse. He chooses to put himself in that position and then his stans complain about the situation he has created; through his own free actions.
It's literally the meme where a kid is riding a bike, puts a stick between the wheel spokes, and then is injured when he falls off. "I HAVE to do this, I stream for 8+ hours a day!" maybe... don't do that then...
Leaving the empty chair is fine if you just pause the video imo. I also watch streamers who stream for 8-9 hours say "i need to pee/grab food/etc., give me a minute" and leave the stream with nothing happening for a moment (sometimes with a sign or something to tell people they'll be back). The "he has to take a break" thing implies that hasan has an obligation to entertain his viewers throughout the entirety of the stream- even if that means just playing someone else's content- which seems to negate the entire argument. I genuinely cannot see someone having "good intentions" to stream someone's content and then not even watching it at all.
not to mention the guy is rich,and whats even more rich is hes a communist that likes to go on about stolen labour but idk how he justifies stealing other people's videos.
That the 'compulsory streaming length' argument is not 100% transparently legless to everybody exposed to it, is astonishing.
Well... usually, Twitch makes streamers sign contracts for 100 hours per week, so... I can understand him being a bit rushy.
I get so frustrated when people say "He has to eat, do you expect him not to eat?" JUST PAUSE THE FUCKING VIDEO AND THEN MAKE YOUR FOOD, IS IT THAT HARD TO PRESS ONE FUCKING BUTTON AND THEN GO TO COOK YOUR FOOD, OR GO TO THE TOILET?"
He read a comment telling him to pause the stream and put up a title card if he wanted to take a break and somehow thought that meant to piss in a bottle and never take a break. He must be purposely missing the point because he makes too much money off of it.
@@Jonesy781 It's the same energy as when you tell your mom that something she said was kinda uncalled for, so she says "I guess I'm a TERRIBLE MOTHER and I should DIE because you HATE ME"
Hasan has enough now to order delivery lol
@@Jonesy781 that's exactly it
Why would he do that , it’s his room his channel his choice , if you have problem with him eating you leave
This hits differently after watching hbomberguys’ plagiarism video.
This hurt my best friend Hasans feelings. He’s my best friend because we watch CZcams videos together for 8 hours everyday
*Grabs popcorn*
*Leaves chair to get chicken nuggies*
@@crpalstuck2966 Leaves house to get raw chicken
@@veggiechip leaves house to raw your mom
🍿
You okay CJ? You've been eating a lot of popcorn lately.
"He has to do this because he streams 10+ hours" Well then don't stream 10+ hours if it means you can perform basic human necessities, or take a break, or talk to your audience while eating
Cope
@@calvinware7957 Good argument 👏 👏👏👏
@@youdarnweebsgetoffmylawn It's honestly as good as saying "don't marathon stream marathon streamer if you can't talk with your mouth full" so cope
@@calvinware7957 Dude, I'm not sure if you know this, but OP's comment was more than just "DoN't MarArthOn StreAm If Can'T EaT LEL." OP's first point basically stated that you shouldn't stream for long periods of time if it makes you unable to do the most basic of human tasks. It wasn't even the only option OP provided, he said that streamers could take breaks or talk to the audience while eating the food on stream, without just letting the video play in the background. It's as if you didn't even read the comment that you were trying to critique, lol. It's not even like Hasan needs to do long streams because he's poor or something, he's a fucking millionaire. And even if he was poor, that doesn't excuse him from taking other people's content and not transforming it in anyway whatsoever.
@@calvinware7957 Honestly, it seems like you're the one coping because you can't handle other people calling out Hasan when he's objectively in the wrong; and you seem to make the dumbest arguments imaginable, to the point you don't even read the opposing comment fully, to try and defend Hasan, even when he's fully in the wrong.
The thing that really drives me crazy is the way they pointedly ignore what you're telling them
"hey, you shouldn't just stream other people's videos when you walk away"
"I have to take breaks!! Do you want me to die!?"
"You can just play something else that's fair use or your own content during your breaks"
"Don't you know that I'm giving you clout? Why are you being such a snowflake about this?"
"You didn't even have my credits on the screen and essentially just reuploaded the video. I most likely lost more viewers from you playing this on your channel than I would have made just leaving it to the algorithm"
"Ok fine then, I won't play your videos. I completely agree that people should be able to opt out of this (but only after I've already done it once, so I'm not going to ask first "better ask forgiveness than permission YOLO)"
ASTHMAMOLD IS THE GOAT YALL ARE JUST JEALOUS. POOR, your POOR. ASTHMAMOLD HAS GAINED MILLIONS STEALING OTHER'S PEOPLE CONTENT AND HE WILL CONTINEU BECAUSE IT"S ENTERAINTMENt. Copyright STANS ARE BASELESS, dcma abusers. fair use is hard to define.
Yah it's a crazy how wild the conclusions he gets from normal criticism
Coming back to this video a year later in light of this conversation coming back up with regards to xQc, Sssniperwolf, and yes, Hasan again. Those who forget history tend to repeat it etc etc.
when did lunchbreaks become illegal? Just say "I'm streaming from 9-12, 13-17, 18-21" There ya have a 10 hour stream with two planned breaks so your audience knows when you're not gonna be there. You can either not stream at all during that time OR find people who are willing to make you content or let you play their already existing content while you're away. Just plan your workdays just like normal people do!
Or he could hire someone like Ostonox who already does silly little videos for him to do some filler content for when he's away
He probably wouldn’t want to do that because stopping and starting streams again can lose a lot of viewers. Another solution along the lines of that would be to have specifically break content. Like someone else being in his stream, a brb screen or fan creations (art, memes, etc. ) screen with credit.
But... that would take effort. No, much easier to just leave other people's content playing the background while you walk away and eat/shit/whatever. Who cares, right? It's giving them exposure! This guy is such a colossal douchebag.
@@QuinnMiller yep. make a highlight video of the last week and play it in the breaks. repeat next weak. done.
He does ad breaks occasionally, he could just cook/eat then maybe? Mix in some ads, some other pre-approved content Honestly there are so many creative options. You could run a quiz so that chat has something to do be engaged. Very low effort
You know, at least Jinx had the decency to make his face take up more space than the original video.
at first that seemed like a weird design choice but if a video is about reacting then he isn't wrong.
I never took the Jinx reaction drama seriously because every creator at the time just had to throw in a sly racial joke.
"I don't want people to leave during downtime"
"oh? so you want us viewers to piss into bottles? we're not allowed to stop watching the stream?"
As a longtime Hasan stan, this video was a painful, but eye-opening experience. I guess I never really gave it much thought, and since I live in a wildly different timezone than him and therefore can't often watch him live, I mostly see him in the form of 10-30 minute clips on youtube, which obviously don't include his piss breaks and whatnot. I feel sorry for you and other creators like you, whose content has been effectively stolen by Hasan and people like him. I honestly don't know if I can continue to watch someone who does shit like this and is *that* unwilling to accept criticism.
We saved one!
Might I also suggest Adam Somethings response to Hasan.
He literally says nothing and let's Hasan read a post Adam made calling him out, while hasan goes ahead and proves that all his points in that very post were correct by hasan trying to discredit them.
Imagine ever being a Hasan stan lmao you should be embarrassed
@@Jaycee52548don’t criticize people for growth dude
@@Jaycee52548yikes bro, do the people in *your* life force you to live in perpetual shame over mistakes you made over a year ago and have long since repented of? I sure hope not
Man's literally rich enough to own a ~$3 million house, but when he's asked to not use videos as filler and instead put up a BRB screen or just have a healthier streaming schedule that doesn't require his entire day it's seemingly "I could piss, shit, and die if I don't stream for this long, and my audience has the attention span of a gnat so they need to be entertained while I'm gone."
Hasan's a silly goober.
hasan is a dangerous siciopathic goofy goober.
Cant believe how perfected the Reaction-kind of Videos is now,
with people like Sci Man Dan. Or Hbomberguy.
To be fair to Hasan there is SOME validity to what he says, when I stream and go on break it almost always comes with some dip in views (I'm a small streamer so it's like 2 or 3 of the 11 views I have go away) and I've seen the same thing be true for bigger streamers, if they put up their break screen people will leave to watch someone else and won't necessarily come back when the break's done, and also twitch streamers at Hasan's level do have an obligation to stream a certain amount of hours every month which is why this current trend of react content has cropped up recently, that said they still should just suck it up and put up break screens when they need to pee imo and if you're gonna react to something, tell your followers in no uncertain terms WHO made the thing you're reacting to
Sci Man Dan, does he count as a Reaction-CZcamsr?
@@Lahi122 He isn't "required" to do shit. He is a multi millionaire.
The sad part is, Jay, Hasan can literally watch this video and still not understand that he’s done something wrong. If he hasn’t gotten the point by now, this video still won’t help in that regard.
Either pure idiocy or malicious dishonesty. Grifters gonna grift.
Most people who have made their minds up, on this topic, won't change them. If you're watching a Streamer for 8+ hours a day, as they go through a variety of content then you are just a fan of them - not their work. I don't want to use the term "fanboy" but is there not some level of internet-worship/reverance getting in the way? Are they defending what their streamer-senpai did or are they just defending their idol?
Basically, they're emotionally invested.
I mean, Hasan is astonishingly stupid.
@@pickyphysicsstudent201 its called cultism. The Twitch platform is perfect for building an extremely loyal base of acolytes, because of the intimate and responsive nature of the content. I like Jay Exci's content, I enjoy thier witty commentary, but there is a healthy distance with this form of content between the creator and the consumer. I have nothing in common with Jay Exci apart from the fact that we live in the same country. But a streamer now, well a streamer is speaking directly to the consumer in real time. Streamer answers your questions. Streamer laughs at your jokes. Streamer thanks you profusely for the money you send them and blows you a kiss. And if a chatter is particularly isolated and in need of friends, this is all they need to subconsciously infer a deeper relationship from these handful of in jokes and positive responses. Jay Exci is a creator you like. If people talk shit about Jay Exci's content, well you may disagree but to each thier own. But Hasan Piker is your friend and confidant. And if people talk shit about his content, well now theyre insulting your friend. And we all want to stick up for our friends, right? Which is why Hasan simps will run rabid against anyone who says a word against him and make every lousy excuse and mental gymnastic they can think of to make it so that he's in the right actually. Unfortunately for them, Hasan is a slack jawed dumb*ss who hasnt got a clue what he's talking about, and now that the novelty of his good looks have worn off, people are starting to pay attention to the actual quality of the content. So Hasan cultists will be out in force more and more as Hasan's f*ck ups get more and more traction.
It's surprisingly difficult to get a person to understand something when their livelihood depends on them not understanding that thing.
The "React Harder" meme falls flat on its face with Hassan considering the man is not even there to react for large portions or even the entire runtime of a video. At that point yes I would prefer him to react harder because it's better than literally just having the video being streamed on its own. That's just streaming a video without permission at that point.
whenever soemone says that the approprate response is "im not asking you to react harder im asking you to say anything of worth whatsoever"
Had a Hasan video get recommended to me today where he "reacts" to H.Bomberguy's recent documentary on CZcams Plagiarism. It was just a mostly uncut VOD of him watching the video for over 2 hours. He even opens to the clip of Harris talking about react content while showing a clip of Hasan's empty chair on stream.
You can also see his chat calling Harris a "toxic sjw". Nice audience he's cultivated over the years.
I don't even watch Hasan videos. That's how bad this problem still is to this day. Unbelievable.
People would call Hasan an SJW too
The clip of hasan's empty chair, allegedly, was a "joke" for which Harris got "permission" from Hasan-- plagiarism and laziness is a bit of a red herring in comparison to the sheer level of raw collusion going on behind the scenes.
Anime girls playing videogames have waiting screens when they "go to an idol meeting." Apparently this level of professionalism is impossible for someone who's been doing this for much longer.
BATHROOM TIME
@@SuperDropsX Yeah, Nene makes it a joke. It's amazing to see what's acceptable among the multi-millionares who spend all day on twitch.
Yeah, this is part of why I started watching vtubers instead of twitch streamers. Because they actually make good variety streaming content.
Meanwhile a lot of twitch streamers are just like "Ok, I'm gonna play amogus for 40 hours a day 8 days a week, and then when I need to eat I'll put on someone else's content for an hour so I can profit off of their hard work while I literally just sit on my ass"
Its actually is wild to me how vtubers from hololive could literally just sit there and make animal noises all day and no one would complain, yet they put in 1000x more effort for a fanbase that would follow them anyway then people who had to claw their way up through the twitch ranks on their own merits.
Well that's because vtubers are some of the most manufactured, by the books, made in a lab to be apealing to sad lonely men as humanly possible so it is natural that it is gonna be professional and clean. They are told what to do and how to act by an agency. The fact that people are saying "Vtubers actually work really hard!" is fucking insane. It's one thing to be simping for some chick on twitch but for a vtuber is just next level pathetic.
Really good video. I really hate when some internet community normalizes something dumb and the new defense is "well everyone else is doing it". Once upon a time the commentary community would go after little kids with no following, and use the same excuse. If it's a habit of the community, then that just means the community is toxic and needs to change some things.
It's literally something your parents try to teach out of you before you reach Kindergarten generally. Something doesn't become ok because other people are doing it.
Yup. Which is crazy seeing how most dont even understand how copyright work, makes it BEYOND frustrating.
@@dickstarrbuck The thought seems to be that as long as they are getting away with it, that it must be fine. That's why some popular streamers were streaming episodes of anime and not even saying anything over it. They only stopped when the companies that owned the particular animes started complaining.
@@dickstarrbuck Why do you sound so emotionally invested in dumb copyright shit? How long has it been since you've gone outside?
@@XXXXX8 while there's some very dumb stuff in US copyright law (mainly how long it lasts nowadays), there's absolutely a good reason to be passionate about people stealing others works which are supposed to be protected by copyright. People deserve to not have their hard work stolen.
I think one of the worst parts of Hasan's "apology" is the absolute cesspool that is his chat. Good lord.
the worst thing about this is that the entire time hasan's chat is just shitting on the video, saying its a copy of Dunkey's video. Its bad enough to steal the entire video, but then just to have your entire chat shit on the whole time is even worse
I don't understand why he and his fans seem to treat "He streams for 10 hours" like some kind of inevitability. No-one's forcing him to stream for that long. If he doesn't have 10 hours worth of content, he doesn't have to stream for 10 hours.
You don't understand, his hands are tied. If he doesn't stream for ten hours daily, then he'll be slightly less filthy rich.
İt is even worse than that. He is stealing. He can just fuck off and eat but instead he steals other peoples work lol.
Doctor why did you shoot the patient with a kalashnikov?
THE SURGERY TOOK 12 HRS DO YOU WANT ME TO DİE???.
His 10 hours of “hard work” are him wanting “10 hours of revenue” - it’s hilarious how he acts like he’s being forced to do this and he’s doing the best with the hand he’s been dealt.
Urgh exactly!! If hasan is struggling to fill 10 hours of streaming without stealing content then he can stream … for less … hours …
Twitch is going through it's "react" arc like CZcams went through it's "reaction channel" arc in 2015.
These things just swing in roundabouts, dont they?
What else can you do on twitch? Anything past reaction and gaming is just too much effort. Unless you're wubby. He's just too entertaining. His church "forgiving sins" bit is so fucking funny. So is fill kids Friday.
@@WaxWitch he does *what* on friday?
Calling completely leaving the computer a reaction would be an insult to reaction tubers, who are already scum.
@@uccidere1939 i agree. I'd take Jinx over these twitch reaction streams
Hasan's fans be like: "He's a NEET! We have to give him bonus points for bothering to take care of himself."
Like, idk, maybe just have periodic intermissions where you go and have a bio break but don't steal folks' content? Maybe don't stream 8+ hours a day continuously? Maybe get a second set up that films you while you cook so you can at least pretend that you're adding to the content? Get a laptop and move that set up when you move to a different room? Batch cook a bunch of food in preparation for your 8 hour stream so you don't have to leave? Get some damn noodles and a travel cooker and just cook in the same room?
I haven't finished the video, but I'm at the part where the "but he needs to pee" argument is being put forth and I have so little patience for it because the content he makes takes like literally no effort.
Man's goes on about how capitalism is evil and how it exploits everyone blah blah blah. Yet here he is, doing exactly what he accuses everyone who makes money of, stealing.
Bingo. Complaining about the exact same thing he does, lol. Just like he lied about giving to charity and pretending he cares about "the causes" but basically admitted he never gave any of his Bezos bucks to charity.
He's a neet? Maybe he should actually get a job. Survival of the fittest after all
Petty comment but I fucking hate terms like "NEET", like I'm begging people to talk like normal human beings and just say "unemployed". idk about its origins but it reeally seems like the sort of shit incels would say and it's just cringe. It's like people who unironically say things like "adulting" as a verb in everyday conversation, like it just makes me shrivel up inside. I say this as someone who talks like I was raised online, cos I was. but still there are certain online terms which make me feel like a boomer when I complain about them but I can't help it, they suck lmao. (this isn't a diss on your comment btw as you were just quoting someone else)
@@j-skullz nah I get it. I cringe a little too whenever I hear the phrase "adulting".
I don’t understand why “don’t freeboot” is such a difficult concept for some people to grasp.
I hope the drama bump is worth all the annoying people Hassan sent at you by calling you a nazi for your appearance on a show that you did not, in fact, appear on. You make stuff so good, they'll even watch it with a chair in the corner
Sci Man Dan, does he count as a Reaction-CZcamsr?
What show? Huh?
@@alwest4472 Efap hasan never watched it but calls them nazis frequently.
@@mertarican5456 gotta keep up that lefty facade whilst exploiting other peoples' labour for profit.
@@mertarican5456 Though Jay has been on EFAP I thought?
Countdown to Hasan unironically calling this video "react harder", thus proving that he doesn't understand the flimsiness of such a buzzword
him reacting to the reaction of him reacting to jay's reaction of hasan's reaction to the house video.... we gotta keep the loop going. mirror up to the mirror baby.
Fun fact, Hasan now "reacts" even when he's not in the room. As in, he'll leave a looping pre-recorded video of his face when he gets up. Either he's taking an abnormally large amount of piss or he genuinely doesn't see the problem
This man is like our internet pop culture face of socialism……
I... genuinely don't get why people watch streamers like Hasan. I mean... what's so interesting about literally watching a dude sitting in his chair doing practically nothing? That's not entertainment! Watch a video made by Josh Strife Hayes about how streaming/creating videos is actually HARD WORK! Like in work eight or more hours a day to produce content that's actually more than just sitting on your lazy ass watching a video (used to be TV) and doing NOTHING. Why do people like that kind of crap?
Why are you the one decided which is enterainment or not? Why are you looking down on people's preference?
@@victoriagodinez79 it's the issue of morals. He wronged Jay not just by using his video for entertainment, but also not even asking permission in the first place! Despite this people still defend him. It's just mind-boggling how people could be okay with that.
@@koughnut0520 Your missing the point. Im not talking about Hasan or Jay. Im asking why he is looking down people's taste.
"Who do people like this crap?"
"Thats not entertainment!"
Again, why is this guy deciding which entertainment or not?
@@victoriagodinez79 Because it is enabling moral degradation and taking away benefits from the actual creators?
I would be just as annoyed and judgmental about people who screamed at a surgeon during an operation because they thought it was entertaining. I judge them and I find them wanting.
@@victoriagodinez79 dude if you like shit i will look down on it it is mentally unstable. Do you ask people why do they look down on nazis? It is an objective peace of shit Content that can be only enjoyed through a huge bias towards hasan.
I'll never understand why someone actively seeks out to watch a midlife crisis survivor munching on food for 10 horus straight
Cant believe how perfected the Reaction-kind of Videos is now,
with people like Sci Man Dan. Or Hbomberguy.
@@nenmaster5218 what?
@@nenmaster5218 Where does Harris come in here? What-
Right because you have to watch all of it, all 10 hours right? 🤦♂️
they have to be, how to put this... if your idol is a greasy shut-in, you might look like a wall.e character
"He literally streams for 8-12 hours a day! He needs to eat!"
He could, I dunno, pause the stream? He could do 2 or 3 four-hour streams with half hour gaps between streaming? He could put a screensaver on? He's not being fucking held at gunpoint.
HE HAS *LITERALLY* NO OTHER OPTION
ARE YOU SAYING YOU WANT HIM TO BRUTALLY MURDER BABYS WHENEVER HE DOESNT HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY, WTF
Imagine anyone in just about any other line of work coming up with that excuse- shopkeeper, surgeon, machine operator, the drummer from Blur.
@@woodgatejack shopkeeps have work shifts and lunch breaks. So do surgeons. So do machine operators. The only inconvenience is a surgeon doesn't take a lunch break mid surgery because there is urgency. Hasan can literally just pause the video. I've never watched Blur
I mean my contention with all of this is not that I disagree but where exactly the central cause of all of this lies and consequently how to proceed in addressing this, which instead of being placed on [insert individual scapegoat here] would be in the "mode of production" that orients _all_ of our individual material interests/incentives and reifies its boundaries of action subconsciously, possibility strictly bounded to profitability as determined by the deified "market" (praise be). To ostensibly put the blame here on people just sort of choosing all of this seems to be missing the forest for the mildly annoying trees, ie in the grand scheme of things this is so inconsequential and entirely an inevitable outcome of the material organization of reality we call capitalism more than any individual's supposed choice or essentialized shittiness/"badness". So again, why do I mention this? Well it informs what the actual solution is. So if we agree that existence _precedes_ essence, we must also agree that, as some guy put it,
_"Men make their own history, but they do not make it as they please; they do not make it under self-selected circumstances, but under circumstances existing already, given and transmitted from the past. The tradition of all dead generations weighs like a nightmare on the brains of the living."_ - some guy
In other, other words, getting rid of Hasan individually or him miraculously producing interesting commentary/whatever doesn't do anything to the overarching system that inevitably produces Hasans, this is no problem of individuals and ideas, material reality's organization at its foundation in terms of ownership/property is the core cause here and without addressing that this is merely just complaining to the manager essentially. No surprise really, all of our political orientations are cultivated in the narrow/limited ontological direction of individual consumer (rather than one of collective material consciousness, aka "class consciousness") to maintain a complacent non-militant class domination of the ownership class over the working class (for a historical juxtaposition, see like the optimates dominion of the late Roman empire), the origin of this "stealing" of "content" to begin with. I feel like I'm shittily explaining this, so here's that guy again to articulate better, it's the difference between an individual normative v. systematic descriptive consideration here basically,
_"The bourgeoisie cannot exist without constantly revolutionizing the instruments of production, and thereby the relations of production, and with them the whole relations of society. Conservation of the old modes of production in unaltered form, was, on the contrary, the first condition of existence for all earlier industrial classes. Constant revolutionizing of production, uninterrupted disturbance of all social conditions, everlasting uncertainty and agitation distinguish the bourgeois epoch from all earlier ones. All fixed, fast-frozen relations, with their train of ancient and venerable prejudices and opinions, are swept away, all new-formed ones become antiquated before they can ossify. All that is solid melts into __-air-_ ["reaction content"/NFTs/Crypto/finance/tech bs, all unconsciously undergirded by global US corporate empire entirely taken for granted], _all that is holy is profaned, and man is at last compelled to face with sober senses his real conditions of life, and his relations with his kind."_ - some guy, again (Marx, to not be pointlessly facetious lol...), a bit optimistic at the end we wouldn't just choose individual delusion while everything burns...
Basically just trying to bring some uh "dasein" in this consideration, to broaden one's conception of what's actually going on here beyond mere individual critique, idk check out dialectical/historical materialism if what I'm saying understandably doesn't compute, or hey check out the conception of base/superstructure as a helpful visual for the metaphysical recontextualization I'm trying to highlight _or_ don't?!
_"The ultimate hidden truth of the world is that it is something we make and could just as easily make differently."_ - the late great David Graeber
The philosophers have only interpreted the world, in various ways: the point, however, is to change it.
Watching Hasan eat while not talking about your video, while listening to you talk about him doing that, while eating snacks at my desk, gave me some kind of existential dread and made me even more irritated with him. Nicely done
Yeah, you could've monetized that!
Summarising your own content with the line "dip your balls in tabasco sauce" and zero further context makes me just wish I could sub anew but even harder. You're absolutely incredible, Jay Exci.
Totally agree, that was the vid that made me a subscriber! The line was *chefs kiss* and the reason I'm binging their content now instead of sleeping
This feels identical to artists being told to suck it up and "think of the exposure!" when youtubers steal their art for videos, thumbnails or avatars. lol. Why should you be grateful some guy on twitch watched your video if he doesnt even attempt to direct his viewers to you content? He only bothers to highlight your name when actively criticizing you.
>think of the exposure
But shitty twitch streamer, why would I want to think of you exposing yourself? :V
thats a perfect comparison holy shit!
Hasan did that. He was told that fanart on a t shirt he bought was stolen. Someone in chat said to pay the original artist and Hasans knee-jerk reaction was "dude, paid with exposure". Then he had a rare moment when he paused realizing what he just said lol
@@trkg1887 do you have a link to that like as a clip became like, I'm already disappointed in Hasan so I might as well see more disappointing shit lol.
@@aflockofconnivingmagpies3490 EFAP 148. Mauler shows it at 3:32:26
I'm really happy you came back to this, because I was hoping the Hasan drama didn't just cease to exist. I remember watching along as Hasan said the words "What am I supposed to do, die?"
The "Hassan Arc" are some of my favourite efap videos
Intermission screens exist. Streaming less exists.
Lol
Watching this video made me realize that I drew that comment out of him and I have legitimately never been prouder in my entire life ever.
Thief: What am I supposed to do? Not steal?
@@VaskoKasko All of my favorite streamers do BRB's when they need to do something off stream.
my favourite part if the video is looking at the newest comments and finding the channels that clearly didn't watch the video and are just blindly defending hassan, using the same arguments she debunked within the video
Damn you just predict my future
Literally what I'm doing rn.
Yeah Americans would gladly rip their own clocks off and eat it of a celebrity told them to. They're pathetic
1:30 am rn
It sucks that the only way for someone to step away from their computer while streaming on twitch is to let random youtube vids run while you do it. It would be great if there was some sort of way to display a graphic saying something along the lines of "on break, will return soon;" a method streamers have been implementing for years. If only there was a concept predating streaming where someone performing a particular service could let any potential customers know that they were taking some sort of hypothetical "lunch break." Almost like a sign someone could display to let people know they are stepping away from their current activity to eat, but will be back shortly? I'm just spitballing here since, of course, this has never been tried before.
Jerma will stream from 6-8 hours and has a brb screen. Has a ton of viewers and is very successful.
Penta's stream is going for more than a week now, and people are even watching him sleep. so a BRB screen won't detract anyone :D
Most streamers have a BRB screen, even (especially) big successful streamers. Doesn’t hurt them in the slightest. He’s purposely being dense lol
I was thinking the same thing, like it’s just a quality of life thing as well as mutual respect to the viewers time.
Because Jerma's not some braindead himbo.
@@grandarkfang_1482
He's just a wine mom bimbo ♡
The thing is... the DMCA is VERY clear that fair use content needs to be transformative. If you are grunting and nothing but during the stream, you are not reacting. You're just streaming the video.
That's a really good point. At that point it's not even a reaction, is it?
"Transformative" is a pretty vague term with lots of room for interpretation, though
That's a good point. Why don't people getting reacted to copyright the reactors?
The worst part is, I'd absolutely watch a streamer go cook food. Like, pause the video, cut to a different camera, say "hey, I need to eat, so it's time for a good ol' cooking stream!" and you're golden. Why act like the only option is to put someone else's video on while you are not there?? If you have to go to the bathroom, cut to a "be right back!" screen, or put on a marble race and have chat bet on it if they really need stimulation that much. It's a tried-and-true formula for people who actually do stream for the entire day for something like a subathon.
Because he doesn't actually do any of the cooking, his mommy does... I'm being serious.
Asmongolds' 2 dollar steak is peak content
Ask them why they don't just play movies or music during their breaks. And when they tell you they can't do it for reasons of copyright, ask them why it's copyrighted. Because somebody else made it, that's why.
That, and also they are under protection
@@AlinaAniretake Yes. That's what "copyrighted" means.
Insane to me that Hasan tacitly admitted that he thinks he should get paid for putting other peoples stuff on his stream for free. When presented with the idea that he has to actually make content on stream, he acted like he wouldn’t be able to eat or use the bathroom. The Freud in me thinks he knows he’d be on the street.
Because he wouldn't. All his content revolves around reactions and shitty political takes. A lot of react streamers are like that.
reminder that he was that guy one time before he gained a following on twitch, other streamers invited him and never asked or bothered about clout. this is the only dude other than miz who got big and bitches and complains about view counts. clout chasers ruined twitch and sadly his delusional fans cant see through the grift
He's a socialist are you shocked?
@@AsukaLangleyS02 when has Hassan ever advocated for workers seizing the means of production?
The only reason hasan is not working at star bucks or a model right now is due to him being related to the guy who is the main owner for the young Turks that’s why he’s audience is so big because most of them are just young Turk fans
man it sure sucks that hasan is being held at gunpoint and forced to stream for 8+ hours a day, if only there was something he could do about this
Imagine if you had to work for 8 hours a day. Unimaginable.
@SiriusSphynx no offense but i wouldn't exactly call what hasan does "work."
@@SiriusSphynxHasan is his own boss, meaning he sets up his own schedule. I work eight hour shifts five days a week because that's what my job requires of me
I've been bitching about this for years. I was wondering why more people aren't calling out these low-effort reaction videos for stealing other people's hard work. Thank you!
The only people watching Hasan's videos are Hasan fans. He could play anything and they would watch it and forget about it. There is no "stealing" these people don't watch youtube videos they watch Hasan. I don't know how people can't wrap their minds around this.
There is a reason we have literally made a joke out of paying artists in exposure. I don't understand the weird dehumanization that CZcamsrs get in situations like this. Their labor suddenly becomes a commodity that can be freely appropriated without reproach, its fucking insane to me
Also it seriously fucks me up that just taking a 30-45 minute break while you're hosting another channel in the meantime or throwing up a BRB screen is considered ludicrous to some folks
I agree with everything you said but would like to add an argument that isn't ever used by these Streamers but many think the thought. I can't understand it but it's there.
If they were to actually go ahead and slap on a BRB Screen for longer than a few minutes (idk more than 5 - 10 mins) their viewership drops, chat engagement slows down etc. which is to some level a valid Point to be brought up. Since their "Engagement" literally persist of Chat going Bonkers with cringe Comments and Emote Spams and they themselves know for how much of a clownery their selling themselves for on these Platforms. Not to mention how "bad" it would be for them to pause stream by actually ending it while taking a real Break like a normal person for once while they cook, use the restroom or maybe even go for a walk (if you're into that) etc. and then start streaming again later.
I 100% don't endorse this behaviour when done the way many of these big Streamers do it. I also hate how some of these big streamers force themselves "having to Stream for x Hours a Day/Week" but we can't forget they technically need to at least hit a certain goal for their Job to be profitable enough to keep doing it. I would claim that is borderline a self-inflicted toxic Work Environment and Exploitation but they chose to do this as their Job so how bad should i really feel here?
(sorry, for this being somewhat long)
One thing that might be worth doing is putting up your own video during a break. Surely the streamers at least have some stream highlight comps they could play. I guess it would get old for people who watch everyday, but it isn't stealing.
Oh hey, Jay Exci actually mentioned this.
@@MrHomunkulus If this guy streams for 10 hours a day and can't muster enough interesting content that he actually made to fill a compilation video, or several for that matter, to keep chat entertained for a piss break then why is anyone even watching him in the first place?
@@givecamichips their own video? Of what. Him streaming??
The way Hasan blocked them because they made this video and Charlie decided to change his style of reacting is pretty telling about who’s in the wrong here……
Sci Man Dan, does he count as a Reaction-CZcamsr?
@@loturzelrestaurant bruh are you replying to every comment with that question and liking it yourself because this is the third thread i've seen you in and it's... immensely sad
@@SmokeyEdits No, it's not all sad.
I give you that, if i had liked them myself, it may be a little sad, but not immensely sad.
Making sure youre seen? Yeah, sadness is at 0% and i dont care for youre headcanon.
@@loturzelrestaurant It's not such an important question you need to spam the replies of comments that have nothing to do with it. It's annoying as fuck, and yes, it is immensely sad.
@@loturzelrestaurant Ask your own question and quit trying to hijack other people's comments, it's pathetic.
I appreciate you making it clear that there are reaction videos that provide real value. A lot of people either don't care at all or think all reaction videos are lazy, predatory trash. Hard to blame them though because, admittedly, a lot of them are.
I have done many 8+ hour streams, and I for one have never had to steal other people's content wholesale to do it.
He's doing it because he wants both that 30 minutes of engagement, and the 30 minutes of break time that he needs for lunch, but he can't have his cake and eat it.
Instead of being responsible, he just makes it someone else's problem.
The argument always seems to be “I’m not the asshole for doing a bad thing, you’re the asshole for making a big deal about me doing bad things!”
In otherwords, the psychological thought process of 50% of humanity. Most of which occupying the lower half of the 'intelligence' bellcurve.
Block somebody in in a gas station? Just reverse around everybody. Parked in a disabled spot because you were too lazy to walk a couple of extra feet? What's the big deal? Littering because sticking plastic in your pocket or the nearby bin is too much effort? Somebody else will clean it up.
The world is full of assholes who are too stupid to be self aware. What's important is that people need to realise streamers (and celebrities in general) are normal people and can definitely still be stupid assholes. Dumb people are incapable of seeing the effects of their own selfishness and believe that everybody should work around the inconveniences they put on others, for their own convenience. They see no issue with it. In the same sense, it's convenient for Hasan to rely on the work of others to keep his audience happy and reap the benefits. They're just being petty for not accepting any inconvenience he causes them...
To be clear, I'm not a Twitch user and hardly ever watch anyone on that platform. But, when people kept making the "well what are they supposed to do, NOT eat food?!" BS arguments I was immediately like... "end or pause the stream... take a break... and go live again. Or flash up a "on break" screen. I don't think someone who streams for 12+ hours is unreasonable for asking their subs to tab over while they take a shit. That doesn't require you to rebroadcast other people's content without their consent.
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1000× THIS.
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Hasan conflating "put up a BRB screen" with "They want me to pee in a bottle" is absolutely hilarious. It's the kind of defence a child would imploy
Twitch even allows you to have other people's content on your channel while you're offline. You can set up a list of channels that you like and Twitch will go through them, check who is online, and play their stream with attribution and everything.
@@rolfs2165 "wHAt aM I sUPpOseD tO dO, diE?
Yeah, putting up a brb screen is also normal. Most streamers would absoluletely agree with xou i think
ah yes the "i need this content because i stream for 10 hours a day and need to get up" my brother in Christ you are the one who made the choice to stream for 10 hours. if you cant do the full 10 hours dont do it.
N-no but how is he going to make a lot of money- I mean content for all my viewers.
Ikr, that's what I thought, either don't stream that long or take the suggestion to leave up a notice that you've gone to do something and will be back in a bit. But no, because he wants more money he's okay with freebooting instead lmao.
This video has aged like fine wine thanks to the Sniperwolf situation that also involves Jackfilms, honestly shocked she hasn't been deplatformed yet
When I first came to Twitch in 2011, there was this streamer who took a break every hour. He spent the break playing video game music, with on-screen credit for artist and game.
Now, 2022, there's a streamer I enjoy who takes a break every two or so hours and shows fan art during his breaks, accompanied by non-DMCA music, all credited. I found many great soundtracks through those breaks.
So yeah the length of the stream sounds like a lousy excuse to me. You can just pause the stream, or turn it off entirely if you are away for a longer time.
I enjoy reaction videos because seeing people give their thoughts or get excited or surprised at stuff is fun to me. A lot of streamers who's regular content I do enjoy just... sit there and do nothing. And Hasan can't even do that, lol.
The issue with pausing the stream, the video, etc. is that the viewers aren't there for the streamer. They're basically watching a curated "program" with a chatroom. They're not there for *reaction* content. They're watching TV with fake internet friends.
I don't think the viewers or the streamers of this kind of "content" are entirely aware that that is what they are doing. Because literally all it would take to improve your optics and massively improve your optics is a one-line overlay at the bottom where you copy/paste the video and channel name.
He doesn’t do that bc that would lose viewers and interrupt the flow of the stream
@@tedddybear He doesn't do things more ethically because that would mean less money.
@@veraducks I totally agree with you on that! Thats why I think that these issues should be resolved on the platform level, like redirecting ad revenue to the real creators, stuff like that, idk, im awful when it comes to business models. But I personally also have a lot of issues with what hassan represents, he is an Image, just a signifier for socialism but he is actually capitalism in its real form. I like to draw an analogy with how companies work today. The company (hassan) spends time and effort to grow, then when established as a powerful entity in the market, they just sit and chill reaping the profits out of workers (content creators). And if he was honest about that, that would be okayish for me personally, but he wont admit. My guess is that the same image that he passes as a left activist but in his habits show something totally conformist to his actual world, is what his consumers also want. Just a sprinkle of "yeah! Capitalism bad, and now that i watch this I can feel good about living as a capitalist to the fullest, because Im in hassan lefty bros team, im not like the others"
@@veraducks Huh. Well that explains the seemingly baffling behavior. Uhhhh I don't really know how to react to that revelation other than to say fuck 'em. Fuck that kind of person. Just go look up youtube videos yourself.
The saddest part is that you can tell he KNOWS some of the criticism has merit from the pauses he takes to formulate a response but he literally just doesn’t care
Or he has nothing better but still feels the need to say _something_ in his own defense.
Or he doesnt have room temperature IQ. IIrc he got here because of his uncle and cold hard Cash. Not ideals or brains. And it shows.
He knows he can get defensive and say nonsense and his loyal fans will just agree w him and he wants the ego validation
Hassan doesn’t have to leave the video playing, nore does he have to stream for upwards of twelve hours.
There is no excuse really
Yea! Does he not also upload videos to CZcams right? He can play hid own content
Like many during this whole time of calling out reaction content I kept thinking about how well this video aged. I wonder if they will finally hold Hasan accountable for his this stuff now (I doubt it)
“If you’ve enjoyed this video: good.” I laughed way too hard at that.
What's funny is that Hasan is all about worker's rights.
But not on practice apparently
Yeah, that sure is funny .
Claims to be all about worker's rights*
A really good example of reaction content done right is PokemonChallenges. He reviews videos of other people's nuzlockes (Pokemon challenge runs), but he critiques their performance and suggests ways they can improve. He actually adds a lot to the original videos. Also, two of the original creators have not only recognized him, but have collaborated with him in future videos.
I can’t stand Hasan. His opinions or his content. He’s genuinely one of the laziest and most unpleasant streamers on Twitch
I don't know his opinions, but from what I can see here, he seems really boring. Why are people watching him?
@@MarcinSzyniszewski he's a vocal leftist with good style and that's a very attractive niche nowadays. Kind of sad, wish more moderate political content was popular. Hard to make it as inflammatory though
@@MarcinSzyniszewski For many people, especially in North America I think, he's kinda "baby's first leftist". His most popular videos on CZcams are him reacting to high-profile conservatives and stuff like that so if you're new to politics or leftism it's informative/entertaining content. If you're more educated on the subject his takes are lukewarm but everyone starts somewhere ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
THANK YOU I consider myself a leftist but I've never liked his vibes plus he has some major L takes, he doesn't seem smart or well-versed in politics at all and I say that as someone who isn't super knowledgable on politics either (especially since I'm british so I don't know shit about US politics lol), but it just seems like people pay attention to him because he's loud and reactionary and not because he's actually saying anything of value. He reminds me of those loud conservative "personalities" ironically
There's nothing my artist friends loathe more than a "customer" saying something along the lines of: "It will pay you in exposure." Their response is almost always some variant of, "I can't EAT exposure." The sheer arrogance of someone assuming they're so famous that they convey the Midas touch to anything they brush up against is staggering. They're literally implying that CZcams creators should be grateful for the proximity provided by filling their downtime, that it elevates their work no matter how shabbily they use it. Networking is a part of a lot of jobs, and establishing contacts can be vital to success, but when you're not even bothering to contact for permission...? When you're making it someone ELSE's labor to discover your use of their content...? That's exploitation. It's nothing to expect anyone to be grateful for. Bringing the camera with you into the bathroom would be an apt metaphor for the respect you're showing their work.
I might be able to agree with the "it's giving you exposure" excuse if this guy, for example, even BOTHERED to tell his stream the name of the video and the name of the content creator who crafted it to begin with. Kinda hard to get "exposure" when nobody knows what the fuck they're watching and how to find more content from the same creator. Goddamn idiots.
and you know what else gives exposure? talking about/ reacting to a piece of work or it's content. Outside of shoutouts being NECESSARY to give exposure, alongside links, actually engaging with the content will show your interest instead of just being a passive observer. Most of the times I've gone and looked at the original piece of work have been because the reaction was interesting and I wanted to get a better vibe for it.
Fuck 'exposure' culture and everything about that toxic nightmare.
If you run a moderately popular restaurant/food truck/whatever in a major city, I feel it is not only your right, but your absolute duty to put a sign at your point of sale that says "'Influencers' wanting a free meal pay an additional 400 dollars".
I think this artist example does not apply with reaction content because Hasan is not selling a piece that you made, he would be showing it if is openly on the internet and adding comments, the reaction can vary from medium to medium, like videogames that pay streamers to play and react and benefit from that, or music that is very scary topic on streaming, if you use an analogy in something like this make sure is accurate or in the same level.
@@TheXavierfull the same logic would apply to video game lets plays if the uploader didn't bother to put the title of the game in an easily visible place. Games are also different because there's value you can't get out of them by just watching.
Speaking of TomSka, he did a 24-hour livestream a few years ago, and when he and his co-hosts took bathroom and food breaks, he played new original videos in ten minute segments that he'd prepared especially to avoid dead air. I assumed that was just standard practice since I rarely watch livestreams, so I'm really amazed that Hasan seemingly doesn't perform very basic pre-planning for the thing that appears to be his job.
That's what's wild about this, and I think Jay said this in a previous stream/video about the topic-Hasan could very easily put out a tweet asking for original content to play during his breaks. That way, he gets to continue entertaining his audience while he's away, *and* the content creator has approved their content being played on stream. Hasan doesn't even need to make the new content himself.
What kind of videos would streamers prepare to fill in a quick bathroom break?
@@DillonMaynard Alot of streamers have music and a card they put on the screen so that it's not just dead air and looking at a chair. Wilbur soot & RTGame both do this (mentioned because they are prominent members and guests of soot house, the channel Jay shouted out before Hasan)
He could just put up some sort of "on break" screen but I guess he doesn't want to lose viewers. As if he's a struggling streamer lol.
@@tuwubah That makes sense. I guess he just doesn't want to grind the stream to a complete halt.
If Hassan's greedy ass can't end the stream to tend to basic human needs and live a bit more normally then he can just pause it instead. You're not forced to play some elses video. If the viewers have the attention span of a toddler and can't wait for you to take a piss then they can just heck off and do something else until you're back.
"I stream for 10 hours a day what do you expect"
Okay? Who asked you to stream that long? If you don't have the content to fill a 10 hour stream, then don't do a 10 hour stream.
There's a reason he won't shorten his streams though is because that's less time for donations to come in and Hasan likely wants to maintain his multimillion dollar lifestyle without having to put much more effort than hanging out with his parasocial followers dropping big brain takes like "Russia won't invade Ukraine" and when it happens defending it with blood and soil arguments
My answer would be:
"That is your job right? Do you know what people who work for that long do? TAKE A BREAK. And no: They don't get paid for taking the break. Neither should you."
The comments defending Hasan with “he streams for 10 hours” didn’t watch the entire video. Jay literally addresses every claim people are making in the comments in this video
They can watch hasan eat but not pay attention to someone actually talking lol
I had to step away for a moment because my chickie nuggies were ready
Why is that even an excuse as if sitting on your ass on front of a computer for 10 hours is a legitimate or respectful job lmao (with exceptions)
What?! People just skip a video to rage in the comments because Man Me No like Said The Thing?!?!?!
Say it ain't so!
Another obvious difference between Hasan's friends telling him they've got a new video out so he can react to it and you asking random-ish people is that Hasan's friends are friends. Like of course you're more likely to be willing to let friends use your content as filler.
I also was amused at the "i have a youtube friend, and he wants me to react to his stuff = Most youtubers like it too"
Hey @Jay_Exci I was hesitant on watching this video because Hasan made it seem like you were really butthurt and angry at him.
But I watched Demon Mama's stream discussing your video and saw nothing I would disagree with.
I was cringing really hard at Hasans Ukraine takes, which made me question his trustworthiness as a whole. I hoped he would reflect a bit after all he said was proven wrong, but I lost faith in him in the last few days. All the love to ya, hopefully this video has an effect on the react-andys down the line.
also the whole "Nazi" thing had me questioning you, could not believe he would just lie like that...
@@DerPlaystationZocker welcome to internet politics. To the far left, anyone can be a nazi. To the far right, anyone can be a... nother n word. It's morbid, enjoy your stay!
What exactly about his Ukraine takes? That the invasion is gonna have massive blow back when it comes to far right fascist paramilitaries especially with all the positive coverage the west is giving fascist paramilitaries like Azov battalion?
@@DerPlaystationZocker it wasn't the only time.
Hasan went off calling Adam Something "still not out of the Alt Right pipeline" for calling him out for his bad Ukraine takes, *and also said pro nato Europeans defending nazis is a known problem.*
I really don't rate Hasan's content, commentary and takes. It's bottom tier breadtube for me. I have a few problems with it, while I admit he might have changed his approach, or improved it since I last caught his stuff.
I found he was over-reactive (ironically enough, playing it up, exaggerating for the drama), not well informed at all on even the most basic of issues.
Worse, he often hadn't heard or understood whatever he was reacting to correctly, and then promptly gave a response to something that wasn't said because he wasn't paying enough or even basic attention to what he was suppose to be reacting to.
His commentary was much of the quantity over quality variety. I think when you actually start to look at what he says/does critically, rather than through the lens of confirmation bias (he is on 'our' side therefore when he critises something he is fighting the good fight) it really doesn't hold up to scrutiny.
His woeful ukranian takes, and his inability to take any kind of criticism and total lack of self-reflection have opened some more eyes to the gapping flaws that were already there. That's my opinion anyway.
*Has a voice break mid-sentence*
*Does another take*
*Pretends to have another voice break*
*Leaves it in*
Perfectly balanced, as all things should be
It's pretty hypocritical how Hasan always talks about how American capitalism exploits it's workers by not giving proper compensation yet turns around to use other people content and makes a profit off of it while never giving compensation to the creator. Of course it's not the exact same but it's important to understand that there is still some exploitation going on here. All the video is asking for is permission, credit and commentary.
Good logic. I'll make sure to pay a record label money each time I look up a music video on CZcams and watch it. Rationally of course because I am exploiting that creator by watching and listening to their music and not paying for it 😀
But don’t views generate profit for that label if they uploaded it?
@@thelastfrondeur7970 Yeah poor take. Jeremy is correct. Each view of a music video, though small, gives artists revenue without you having to pay us. If one streamer shows thousands of people that same video, we only get paid for one view, with 0 additional views if there's no link or mention of our name anywhere in their stream or VOD.
Only exception is if they play too long a portion of the music in some cases - which is why most streams mute music in their videos. So they don't lose revenue from using other creators work.
@@thelastfrondeur7970 But the artist or label chose to upload that video CZcams didn't upload the video with no permissions and give no indication on who the artist is Hasan does do that with people's video's though