The MISSING Modes of Super Smash Bros Ultimate
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- čas přidán 7. 06. 2024
- Super smash bros ultimate has a ton of extra bonus modes to do when you’re bored of normal vs matches. Stuff like the fantastic classic mode, world of light, stage builder, and home run contest all come to mind, however these are only a FRACTION of the modes seen in the previous games in the smash series. So in today’s video we’re going to take a look back at smash 64, melee, brawl, and smash 4 to look at some of those modes that didn’t make it to ultimate. This includes stuff like target test, board the platforms, smash run, event mode, and even some that have alternates in ultimate like Brawl’s subspace emissary. So join me as we look back at smash’s past to see what are smash ultimate’s missing modes!
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The most baffling one that's missing for me is the lack of a boss rush, or at least just the ability to freely choose a boss through a Spirit Battle with it. Guess this one flew under your radar because you mostly skipped Brawl anyway.
Well, tEcHnIcAlLy Sephiroth’s Classic mode and the true final boss of World of Light are boss rushes but it would be nice to just have a designated boss section in the menu
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Yeah Boss Battles was one of my favorite modes from Brawl. It really is baffling considering the only thing that would "need" to be added, if at all; would be a rest area...
SEPHUROTH
*COUGH COUGH* SEPHIROTH *COUGH COUGH*
Yeah I really hate that too since you can rematch spirits from the collection menu
One thing I really like about spirits is how much more ground they cover than trophies. Not only were they clearly easier to add, but they could use characters that would have never been considered for trophies like Geno. That doesn’t excuse the lack of descriptions for spirits tho
I really like that spirits were able to cover characters that are very hard/impossible to translate into 3D models, and that they have an actual impact on the real game itself (with their own custom fights and battle-changing effects in other modes) rather than just being side collectables that exist only to be admired.
But yeah I agree the lack of descriptions is a big negative. I don't even know who over half of these characters are or their significance to their games...
why are people so obsessed with geno
@@fl3m1n9o4 I guess he was a really really cool character in that single game he was in or something
@@fl3m1n9o4 I really only used him as an example, I personally don’t have any connection to him, more so to show how much easier it is to represent obscure guys like him. But yeah what awesomeness said
@@awesomness6775MAMMOT!
Smash Run really should’ve come back. It was a fun and unique mode with a lot of things to consider before the timer is up. I would say that it and Boss Battles should’ve been in Smash Ultimate- or at the very least, the next game.
Funny to think that the 3DS has a better side mode than the Wii U. (Smash Tour bad)
yes
Smash run is unhinged and chaotic.
The greatest adventure mode for any future smash game would take an element from all previous adventure modes.
- Melee's unique challenge stages like escaping Zebes, running down the F-Zero track and Hyrule maze.
- Brawl's cutscenes, level designs and boss battles
- Smash Run's enemy variety pushed even further
- World of Light's amazing and interactive overworld and voice acting
It would be the perfect video game.
I like how you left out Smash Tour lol. I don’t blame you though.
I have always felt like the game has had too little modes
For a game built around the idea of having everything, it really does feel like it is lacking in modes.
Amen。
I know this probably wouldn't be possible, but I think it would be cool if a Smash Bros. game had a mode where you could create your own Spirit Battles. You could apply specail effects like the battle taking place on a single portion of a stage, apply hazard floors, and so on. You could also share them worldwide and other people can play them and gain some sort of points for doing so.
Since getting the game, I've felt that Ultimate lacks in the extra modes department.
While it's easy to rip apart/forget about Smash 4, it's hard to deny that it gave you a sizable amount of extra things to occupy your time. Obviously, not every mode was good, but the variety was much appreciated from a personal POV.
Incidentally, I like Smash Tour, if only because a typical round goes by in about 20 minutes and it being dumb fun. However, Smash Run is _much_ better. I'd love that to be implemented in HD with multiplayer.
I'm among the camp who prefers Event Matches over Spirits. I do get what you mean by Spirit fights encompassing a larger variety of references, but I would argue that Events have unique objectives. For example, one event in Brawl had you survive an entire lap on Rumble Falls. One in Smash 4 had you to not let an armada of Mr. Game & Watches touch the ground. Melee's Event 51 felt like a genuine "final boss" challenge with the showdown against Giga Bowser, Mewtwo, and Ganondorf. Spirit fights are fun, but I prefer the unique style of Event Matches.
Trophies have been one of my favorite modes since Melee. I'm that kind of player who enjoys learning about my favorite series, so reading the flavor text felt like a nice treat. I even dig the increased humor in Smash 4's descriptions (some might think that they try too hard with the jokes there). Again, I see your logic on the Spirits, but the trophies remain an irreplaceable favorite mode of mine. Sorry.
I could go on longer, but will stop here, Odyssey. Don't want to take too much of your time. Good video, dude.
(7:30) Several trophies were just models pulled straight from other games, where even the texture were exactly the same. Kinda like the spirits, but in 3D form.
Ok, but are we like... _seriously_ going to ignore Brawl's Boss Rush. And no, the final WoL battle and Sepiroth's Classic Mode don't count. Have it be like Brawl's where you also had a set amount of healing items to fight every boss in the game INCLUDING Galeem and Darkhon.
The potential for a boss rush in this game is so huge i don't understand how he missed it
Seriously, they had the best bosses in the series yet they don’t have a boss rush. Such a missed opportunity.
Yes. Yes! YES!
I'm no game developer but it seems all they'd have to do is make a 'rest area' between battles. Other than that the team working on this game already has enough bosses, healing items, and the ability to fight any boss with any character (in co-op too: including CPU's i believe; hopefully up to 8 players, or at least 4...). But most of the assests should already be there. Just need to make it happen...
For me this game would of been so much more engaging and fun if these modes came back.
It feels like there's so little to do
Thanks for making this. I was pretty upset when they never brought back Break the Targets after all of those updates.
I honestly get why we don't have trophies for every single reference, but considering we already have models for the fighters and assist trophies in the game it boggles my mind they couldn't at least give us that. 🤷🏻♂️
I actually made a concept for what Ultimate's All-Stars mode could have been when the game first came out. Melee had the player fight them randomly, Brawl grouped them in series and Smash 4 ordered them according to their release date. Ultimate could order the fighters based on their Smash apparition, going backward (with two additional stages at the beginning for the Fighters Pass).
You would begin by fighting the newcomers in Ultimate, then Sm4sh's newcomers, then Brawl and so on. Since some games had a lot of newcomers, including echo fighters, their fighters would be split in two or three stages. The second-to-last stage would feature the four unlockable characters in the original Smash, while the ultimate stage would be against the original 8 fighters. This final encounter against the initial roster (not only of Smash 64 but also Ultimate) would close the loop.
That sounds cool. A lot of potential for this (All-Star) mode...
The mode I really wanted to return is boss rush mode. We already have enough bosses, it would've been the least work to make this happen.
If All Star Mode was brought back in Ultimate, how I would have done it is have it be one long battle, but it would be split into different sections based on year of debut, and after each section is done, the stage will morph while showing the next year gap you'll be fighting, as well as give you a free healing item. After beating it, you would get the character's Final Smash spirit, much like their Fighter spirits in Classic Mode (these could either be hand drawn similar to the Everyone is Here artwork or just their in-game models)
My thoughts exactly: the stage morph feature would be brilliant for All-Star.
Would’ve been cool if they made a mode to make your own custom alts to use in game though that would be a legal nightmare for characters like Sonic, Pac-Man, Cloud, etc.
Honestly I would have loved a Spirit creator where you could fight fanmade spirits made by people and make yours. I was honestly surprised they never added It.
Maybe even mixed with custom stages
When a big company like Nintendo lets people upload their own custom images to an internet service they are asking for and will certainly get a whole lot of trouble.
If some people weren't absolute corrupt monsters with horribly twisted minds, that could actually be a really fun and creative idea but the world is what it is...
@@awesomness6775 I actually had an idea where you only give It a name. Cause if they do images or drawings we all know what will happen
@@Chaotic_Overlord that didn't stop some stuff that managed to get uploaded in the stage creator though
@@rsj2877 Trust me they are way more strict with the names of stuff than how a stage looks. I once tried to make a custom stage for Piranha plant. I called It something like: the pipe or a pipe and It wouldnt let me use that name
MK8 is getting the dlc treatment after all this time, I could easily see Ultimate getting something down the line. Maybe when switch 2 comes out they’ll have a smash ultimate deluxe or something like that as a launch window title
Honestly, I really enjoyed Smash 4 Wii U's take on Classic Mode.
Even if it kinda... isn't.
I imagine it would be way more fondly remembered if it wasn't _called_ Classic Mode, maybe something like "Colosseum"
Yeah, I kinda liked Sm4sh Wii U's CM too, but it makes more sense to call it something else.
there should also be a boss mode where u can fight any boss with any character
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I can’t be the only one who is currently begging for the next smash Bros installment to at least have a story that is good enough like subspace emissary and not like world of light
I hope Nintendo puts the modes back in!
14:17: WHAT?! Also, they could make a Metorid-Vania by fusing Smash Run and Subspace. Like, you start in one room in a maze and have to unlock more areas by fighting characters and bosses. Maybe have a juiced-up Master Hand when everything's been found.
I feel like descriptions may have been the bulk of the trophies development. The models are often ripped from the original games and the descriptions often required a good deal of research into the character featured.
Unpopular opinion, I loved Smash Tour, It has stuff I wish was better but I would love if it was closer to Mario Party but instead of Stars It's Characters and instead of the States in Tour you collect Spirits and every "Match" Is like the final battles from Smash Run, the Final match being customizable to how everyone wants to play and you give characters Spirits that you collected during the Match. Other then that I love it I played it more then Online
-World of light is Melee and Brawls Event mode but with a map instead of a list.
-Brawl's SSE was neat, but was a slog and Sonic and Wario's Bike actually had their speed NERFED for some reason.
-A carbon copy of melee's adventure mode would be wonderful to see for two main things:
1: I want to wall jump and do agility tricks in LoZ's temple.
2: I want to run down Big Blue as Sonic or using Wario's Bike.
Custom stages and the current "get to the end" minigame just don't give me the joy of that Adventure mode.
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I think a Break the Targets editor would be amazing, and offload a bunch of dev work onto L̶u̶n̶a̶t̶i̶c̶s̶ the players.
All youd need to do is require that it be beaten by the characters you want to play the stage with before uploading, kind of like Mario Maker
Subspace Emissary is the kind of stuff that should be it's own game, not a side mode of a multiplayer game.
About All Star: that mode should've been added as a bonus for the people that got all DLC characters.
Bro dissed on smash tour. Unforgivable. You have no clue the amount of joy I received from that game mode when I was younger
I mean if we're being honest smash 4's implementation of classic mode was different enough that it could be considered its own mode... no one's complaining it's gone tho
average all star mode fan: 🤓
average master/crazy orders enjoyer: 😎
I think I would want a Subspace/Smash Run mode where you could upgrade stats, but using a level-up system. You could choose which stats to upgrade using an upgrade point system similar to badge in Paper Mario. In addition to things like Attack, Launch, Defense, Speed, Jump, and Weight stats, there could be special things to unlock that could have unique effects like spirits do. As you level up, you gain more upgrade points to use.
I loved the world tour. Me and my brother has so much fun playing and trying to get our main
Smash Tour was fire.
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What surprised me somewhat is that Ultimate already had the ground work for some other alternate modes. You can play as Master Hand for one battle in World of Light, why isn't that some form of unlockable mode such as a Mob Smash alternative or even a special Versus option? As much as I don't like the gimmicky special bosses, why aren't there Boss challenge special modes? While it would take more work, did anyone ever consider letting players create Spirit Battle-type scenarios to challenge, or a method of tackling randomly created scenarios?
I'm not a fan of Ultimate's Classic mode, and honestly would have preferred at least the option for a more generic mode, or the option of selecting multiple routes. While the idea of special bosses sounds neat, I'm not fond of actually fighting those increasingly gimmicky special bosses. But Classic mode locks each character to a specific boss; you will always face Dracula as Simon and will never have the chance to face Dracula as Mario. The fixed preceding fights can be a bit dull as well, or can end up feeling a bit too gimmicky. It sounds like a nice nod to have Ryu fight Stamina battles, but in practice I want to play Ryu in actual Smash Bros style matches instead of the lesser Stamina mode. I'm also not that big of a fan of the bonus level. And I hate how the credits shooter extra has morphed into a mode that you are expected to play. And the whole Continue system seems off, like you should suffer the difficulty drop if you choose to continue *without* paying extra (and possibly also having to restart the last match), while paying Gold or a Ticket should let you continue without decreasing difficulty. Classic also seems to offer horrible rewards for the time spent. Then again, Spirits are already a fairly poor reward, while multiple aspects of Ultimate feel like they were designed for microtransactions. (Heck, the game even has multiple currencies, with Gold, SP, and expensive/rare Gold Tickets. And time-sinks that just beg for real-money-fueled accelerators. The Spirit Board is designed to encourage people to keep logging in. Etc.)
So glad you made this
You did forget something, it is still a mode but it could have been greatly expanded upon in Ultimate. Photo Studio was a mode in SM4SH Wii U where you would use trophies to make cool photos but since there are no photos, you could have used fighters and put them in cool poses with unique effects like battle damage (a cut feature from Brawl) and you could make photos from the game a whole lot cooler instead of character doing a pose after they finished a move. It has a lot of potential
I kinda wish they could bring back Boss Battles too, but the only thing close to that is Sephiroth’s Classic Mode
with the amount of bosses in this game it's a crime that Boss Battles wasn't brought back
1:22 Okay, that _Angry Birds_ joke was 🔥
About break the targets, to me, it's basically the combo trials from traditional fighters since they teach you things about the character while being it's own challenge, there are fighters with over 40 characters with several combo trials for each so I don't think just having a break the targets stage per character is that crazy
I think Brawl style Break The Targets could work. Just add more than 5.
If they could make 24 target/platforms stages in the first game they can at least make 20.
No items though. Stage 2 and 5 have items you want to use the same way with every character which makes it less fun.
Trust me when I say I'm also really disappointed by All-Star's butchering in Ultimate. To play devils advocate though, I feel like the roster size got a bit too big for the mode. You would be going in to fight 89 different characters with limited healing in between. That just feels like way too much to go through so the Smash team condensed it into a Multi-Man. It's not an amazing (or good) fix but I can understand the reasoning behind it.
I think just slightly retooling it so you could save and quit in the Rest Area and maybe making it so that you don't have to run through it with every character to unlock everything could make it work better with the roster size
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I missed the unranked quickplay in Smash 4 with For Fun and For Glory. other than that I think I want Break the Targets back, it's a lot more fun to speedrun than just doing computer battles.
I like Events over Spirits mainly because the conditions to win is not always killing everyone. You can win by doing things like breaking all the platforms in Skyloft
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Geez, I never thought I'd disagree with as many takes in this as I did.
I felt WoL was a boring, grindy romp that's always too long, even when you "make it easier" with spirits, nowhere near comparable to past Adventure modes. The references are scarce and far too little (there's ONE reference area on the main WoL map and then everything else is sub-maps and little cameos like buildings based on consoles). Subspace and Adventure both have the edge over it imo, taking much better advantage of the platforming element (while still throwing in references of their own AND, in Brawl's case, fun cinematography in cutscenes), instead of being a clump of menus and fights that tire you out of even spotting the references with how many there are.
Ironically, I thought Smash Tour had potential. You said there was "too little fighting", but from my experience, I always ended up in TOO MANY fights instead. Everyone just kept wanting to cluther the same spaces, even on the "big" map. XD (though it definitely suffered from a lack of options, including computer difficulty settings, available matches, final match options...)
I think Brawl's Targets is the second best outcome, and the best realistic one. Even with reused assets, with a roster this big, it'd take an eternity for the Smash dev team to account for all possible form of attack for each individual character and then design whole-ass stages around them, so having gimped but coop-able levels instead seems like the best solution. Same goes for Board the Platforms, where I don't think just "reusing assets" would be enough.
The biggest reason Smash Run didn't return imo is likely how many assets would have to be upgraded. Keep in mind it was only possible in the first place because of how many assets could straightup just be taken from other 3DS games, including Sakurai's own Kid Icarus Uprising (which explains why it has so many enemies).
And I much prefer Events over Spirits. Sure, Spirits are much bigger in numbers and thus can shove references everywhere, but I think "just fight this character from this series" is a lot lamer than entire scenarios being described amongst the cast. If everyone (here the characters who ended up as spirits) is special, then no one (and in this case especially the fighters) is. I do, however, agree that spirits have missed potential in the form of lacking the descriptions that trophies had.
Great video!
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Great video. I personally loved Smash Tour from Wii U and miss all the cut modes from Ultimate (targets, events, and an actual boss battles mode). Though i will agree with the butchering off All-Star Mode: its a shame it got reduced to what it is and with no ending...makes it pointless imo. (At least you can see total number of KO's tho...:/)
I would like the return of smash tour but make it so there is a fight after every turn and the final battle is a stock battle
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Any of these modes would be absolutely fair game for DLC.
And wouldn't it be amazing if they offered a huge DLC pack that included trophies? Even if it was just to incentivize these modes.
Hear me out, Target test could have light weight, heavy weight and middle weight versions of the stage
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coincidance?
I can't believe Mr. Odyssey Central forgot about Masterpieces and Chronicle, how dare you
The biggest thing missing from Ultimate’s classic mode is a (good ) bonus game. With individualized routes already introduced in ultimate, I think having an individualized Target test in the bonus game slot would make the mode truly amazing!
I would also probably have one generic bonus stage to balance it all out. I would probably include wither race to the finish from Melee, the bonus game from Ultimate, home-run contest with up to 3 collectable spirits based on distance (which in turn is determined by the character being played), a sub-boss like Metal Mario or Giant DK.
All in all, classic modes would follow the pattern:
Battle-Battle-Battle-Customized Target Test-Battle-Battle-Battle-Melee Race to the Finish-Boss
What we need in ultimate: tp and oot link
There should be a target test per series, and alignment. That way Ganondorf has a unique one, while all the links and zeldas share one.
I have an idea for somewhat of a compromise between Melee and Brawl's target test. You could still have character specific stages, but some characters that have similar movesets would share a stage. For instance, Mario, Luigi, and Dr Mario could share a stage. Marth, Lucina, Roy, and Chrom could be another. Link, Toon Link, Young Link. It wouldn't have to just be characters from the same series either. You could do something like Kirby and Jigglypuff sharing a stage. Or Banjo and Duck Hunt. They could probably trim this down to about 30-40 stages total, which would still be a lot but definitely less than over 80.
13:59 Hence why All-Star mode received an overhaul
Great video, but I haber yo say trophie tour has always been muy favourite mode and mario party 10 my second favourite Mario party game(after 8)
I love the Spirit Battles and Classic Modes in Ultimate and they should bring those back in the next smash bros game but give descriptions for the spirits and every round in the classic modes.
Also in the next Super Smash Bros game, they should bring back Smash Run from Super Smash Bros for 3DS and All-Star from Super Smash Bros for WiiU.
And also for the next Super Smash Bros game, there should be a story mode that is like Brawl's Subspace Emissary complete with platformer levels, a plot, and cutscenes but with voice acting from the beginning of Ultimate's World of Light.
Hey odyssey central the ground in the super Mario Bros. 3 Castle night theme are the bricks that Bowser ground pounds on in smb3. For useless facts #4.
This also makes me think: what if SSBU was on Steam? Can you imagine the mod support this game would get?
I miss Target Test like it was in 64 and Melee a lot. Every stage felt catered to a specific character.
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They probably will relaunch Ultimate in the next console and add the missing stages and some of these modes
Now that I think about it, you didn't mention those weird timed demos in Brawl of retro games called "Masterpieces". I don't really even know if they count as a different mode, as it is pretty much just a whole new game, and they weren't necessarily amazing due to their timed nature, but they were kind of nice in a "celebrating game history" kind of way, like a museum exhibit almost, somewhat of the same appeal of trophies.
People meme about coin battle, but honestly the one that really nobody ever mentions is Bonus Battles. I honestly loved playing matches in Melee and seeing who got things like All in One, Lost Luggage or Whipping Boy.
nice bro
Mode idea: Return to Light
Its like Crazy Orders but with spirit battles instead, and with some bosses mixed in too, and maybe stat boosts you could get, heck maybe it has a unique final boss or smth
When are you going to rank all final smashes
I wish the brought back the 3d mode it was a blast
The story mode he wants is just the plot of lego marvel super heroes 2
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Well that got me laughing the Angry Birds rip off that is Target blast
Oddesey Central you did forget 1 mode that appeared in brawl, and that mode was boss battles.
Target practice needs like classes for it’s stages so for example heavy weight class has 5 stages light class 5 stages medium class 5 stages ex
I seriously would pay like $30 just to have Smash Run in Ultimate as DLC. That mode was so fun and I hate that it is locked to the 3DS. (Not even the Wii U has it...)
(btw I haven't watched the video yet he may or may not have mentioned this idk)
I think the spirits would have had a better reputation if they were in a mode a la endless mode from SMM2, rather than a story mode!
I would love for custom moves to come back but with a setting to say no in online and local
10:11 I like that one a bit
Can you do a video doing of a list of bosses from every Mario game in Mario Maker?
Can you do spirits for Pokemon trainers, such as gym leaders, elite 4, champions and Evil team members.
I think echo fighters that are really similar to original ones should have the same target test stage
I don’t play ike 10:46
I loved street smash
Target Practice is the proof that Smash Bros is mean to be a technical fighting game. It shows how to play a character and their move set to its full potential.
Subspace Emissary exploit what the game is: a cross-over fighting game. That's the reason why the game is memorable.
All star in 4 was a bit Too much with over 50 characters. So it is basically endless smash
Wait beating sora(or what ever your last character is) doesn’t just end the game giving you a final time. no wonder it counts up and not down