Quick Tier 5 Skavenblight - Ikit Claw Guide Post-Beastmen Update
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- Defeat Estalia, Tilea, Sartosa, and the Beastmen to get Skavenblight to tier 5, two major settlements to tier 4, and two minors to tier 3 in the first 20 turns of this Very Hard guide to Ikit Claw on Mortal Empires. Learn how to play Clan Skryre's campaign strategy since the beastmen update to defeat the now super-strong Khazrak.
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Quick Tier 5 Skavenblight - Ikit Claw Guide Post-Beastmen Update - Hry
A couple notes:
1) When attacking Sartosa, I said "just like the next siege" but I meant "just like the last siege." I hope that's not too confusing.
2) Combination of money and movement issues meant I didn't recruit a plague priest and I didn't say when I would. Turn 20 is a good time because you can recruit one in Miragliano, sail him over to Tobaro, then have Ikit transfer the plagueclaw catapults into your sacking army, where the plague priest can come meet him.
As usual, I'm happy to answer questions about the strategy, so comment away!
You're not making "Monstrous Abominations" technology for Hell Pit Attendant spawns much of a priority?
@@monochromaticspider I've never found research rate to be that bad with skaven. I just avoid a lot of techs. Plus, just to get to Monstrous abominations in the tree takes a lot of time anyway. It's definitely not my priority in the first 20 turns. Probably closer to turns 30-40 when I'm more established
Hi Dame, I just wanted to say, I've been giving this a bit of a go on Legendary myself to see how it goes, and I found that you can (even on Legendary difficulty) ask Khazrak for 2000 gold every few turns and he just gives it to you every time. I've tried this out in multiple runs and he always says yes to the gold (usually every 3-6 turns). Just a little added bonus that makes it a touch easier. Thanks for the guide, it's been a great help 🙂
@@SuperAussieftw Nice tip! Haha that's pretty good.
Hey, nice to see blitz builds like this. If you want some more cool builds and play/talk to the best Head to Head total war players in the world there is a discord i can invite you too, we do things like Erengrad T5 on turn 8.(Which is much stronger than the Kraka drak rush most plebs use)
We move extremely fast and you can take our builds and make that into content for your channel. Sent you a DM with an invite.
Hey, nice comprehensible guide as usual! Please let me add a few comments:
- the spot "right there" at Tobaro to have lords spawn outside the settlement is exactly one tile left of the small torch next to the road. The general concept behind this is covering most of a settlement, but not all of it, with your lords´ zone of control so a new enemy lord (or any, really) can´t enter it. This is possible with many settlements on the map, but it´s usually not worth the hassle. In this case, there is both an easy landmark and a good reason (fast leveling), so you´re really missing out if you´re not doing it.
It´s slightly harder to judge if you´re already standing on the correct spot if the lord is on a doomflayer. Then, just move away a bit and come back. High corruption also makes the torch harder to spot but it´s still there.
- I usually add a Burrow to the undercity right away, for various reasons. One, sooner than later, you´ll want to autoresolve Tobaro every turn just to speed the process up. The replenishment rate from the Burrow allows you to stay in the region (next to the torch) to raid while keeping your lord health up, else autoresolve will eventually wear him out.
Second, the extra movement is really handy once rebellions show up, as they tend to retreat rather long distance around this area (for me at least).
It´s also cheap.
- Estalias actions highly depend on Khazrag. The video looks like he besieged and/or razed Magritta early on, which is common. However, he might not do that right away, or lose to Estalia. In this case, you have to make preparations to deal with a stack of man-things pretty early.
What happens regularly in my campaigns is that after taking out Magritta, he comes over to Tobaro. However he can´t attack it if it´s already sacked, so it´s important to do so every turn so you don´t lose your food/xp factory.
Keep up the good work!
All good points! I usually add the burrow eventually and say that in my undercity guide!
I restarted a few times and found that Khazrak was laying siege to their capital by turn 5 in all of the starts. So even if they survived there over time, they were stuck for a little bit. And yeah as long as you keep sacking at Tobaro, which is part of the plan. Shouldn't have any problems!
Impressive effort, Legend refuses to update his 20 turn guides because he says it's not worth his time. thank you!
It might not be lol but I like ikit and it was requested a lot
Oooooh, I just started a Throt campaign yesterday because there wasn't a post-beastmen update to the Ikit Claw guides I'd seen, but I'm definitely trying this after Throt's eaten his way to victory. Thanks, Dame!
Hope you enjoy it!
This is awesome, greatly improves my normal tactic of sacking Torbaro until I have enough food to push to level 4, you have earned my sub!
Glad I could help!
I have a 20-turn guide to get Skavenblight to tier 5: sit around for 20 turns until you get +30 capacity food tech, then abandon and re-occupy! Needless to say, this guide is far more productive and less boring than that! I particularly love those sieges you're "underequipped" for i.e. the one at Miragliano. You were even able to work in rushing the workshop upgrades! Brilliant job!
This is just awesome!
I would love to see your update on this strat for IE :)
Thank you for the update🙂
Very clear guide, thanks!
Glad it was helpful!
Clear and concise - thank you :)
Oh, and great vid btw. Thanks for your efforts.
such a dense amount of information thanks!
Glad it was helpful!
YES YES!! MY FAVORITE SERVANT AND LORD FOR THE HORNED ONE!!! MOOOORE WARPSTONE!!
Nice guide!
Thank you for this!!
People have been asking for it for a bit!
@@DameOffensive I can remember in streams, yes, people asked for this one explicitly interesting.
I will try out this guide a bit later on, it looks very interesting and certainly better than my "sack tobaro for 15 turns while defeating roaming armies nearby and hopes stuff comes together" strat. I conquer with Ikit, like big time, but it takes me a while to get strong.... so. Interesting.
Miragliano helps A TON with the food building!
This is great!!
Good job!
Thanks for the video
So, because I've been having enormous trouble with skaven, I have been trying to follow this exactly (on Easy, because I was working on the basis that if I could manage a curb-stomp, at least I'd have PLAYED the Skaven).
Would you believe this is actually much, much, MUCH harder on Easy? The enemy don't spawn in Tobaro more than occasionally, which means of course no three combats per rounds and the consequent significant loss of food. The battle at Miragliano was incredibly hard (because Ikit was not high enough level to have his doomflayer); I only scraped by with the victory points with seconds to spare, as Ikit had routed, and the other Lord, Doomflayer unit and hero were about to be overwhelmed.
And, of course, because less combats, the raiding warload suffered severe casulaties beating a Tilaen rebellion which meant he couldn't sack Tobaro for a round while he got more troops (and I notice your lord has nearly a full stack by that point there), which was exactly enough time on turn 11 for the Beastmen to show up and demolish it along with my undercity. (Fortunately, the Tilean lord I could chase could immediately re-occupy it, so long as the beastmen stay off my back, I can maybe keep raiding it for a bit). I am also now very short of food (because of the lack of raiding), so it seems unlikely that if I can even take Sartosa, it really won't be Tier IV, it'll be, like Tier 1 or 2 and Skavenblight is nowhere near. (At this rate, it'll have a rebellion before I can get enough food...)
To say that I am extremely frustrated at this point (having literally followed blow-by-blow a strataegy and STILL not making any headway is this century's understatement).
Morning after edit: Though I have basically had to deviate from the script by this point, with a bit more struggling, I was FINALLY able to get skavenblight to Tier V on turn 23. Still have the beastmen to deal with, but this guide has, at least finally got me past the early game that has on the previous Skaven attempts, been basically a brick wall. THANK YOU!
Me trying to follow the guide like ?? Where are u guys
Brilliant guide, but very frustrating to follow exactly for a few reasons.
(Turns 1-7)
1) The Tobaro Lord placement doesn't always work - sometimes the Lord will run away even if you have the correct spot. I thought this may be because I was missing the ambush, but that causes a battle with the settlement + Lord instead.
2) The placement of Ikit and the plague lord on turn 5/6 is very important. If you are too close to Miragliano, they will spawn a Lord which makes the siege much much harder, and the Doomrocket will barely scratch him. If you head past Miragliano and try ambush there, the Lord will instead spawn with 3-4 units instead.
3) If you are unlucky, a beast herd can spawn on T6 above Miragliano.
Will update with my findings for the next turns.
For anyone curious about the Sartosa siege. I had to keep upping the cheese as I was having a hard time:
1) Separate your army into three forces:
- Force 1: Ikit and the doom flayers on the right gate
- Force 2: your warlock, jezzails and weapons team, hidden on the far right in the trees
- Force 3: everyone else, stacked on top of each other on the far left, in the trees
2) Move force 1 to attack the right gate. Move force 3 forward on the left, until they are just out of range of the tower, as well as the mortar.
3) When force 1 gets through, clear the gunners then push onto the mortars. You can use the explody suicide unit in the centre to damage the mortar.
4) If a gunner stays on the right walls, use your warlock to clear them. Then move the jezzails and weapons team to the gate.
5) With the mortar down and the right gate secured, the prometheans will be next. Lure them to your guns, using the warlock and Ikit to tank if you need.
6) Take the victory point and mop up the remains with Ikit.
I recommend actually allying the beastmen, you can regurally ask them for max money, they secure your flank and are a potential vassal. And for getting food i recomend sea encounters and fighting pirates.
this 20 turns campaign just way more productive than my 365 days in 2021
I've been binging your Ikit related videos, a friend of mine convinced me to give them a shot after playing almost nothing but Vampires, and I love the Skaven so much! I think the only roadblocks I run into are battle related, mainly in terms of army composition when facing different factions. Skaven have the beastmen, dwarves, wood elves, carcassone and sartosa, alongside lizardmen declaring war at the start. Do you tend to stick with the same army compositions for all of these to hit a weakness particularly hard, or is it Nukes and Pewpewpew all the way down?
With Ikit's army, I'll keep the 2 plagueclaw catapults and give 2 to my sack army for more power. And I'll add the Regiment of Renown avalanche mortars and a couple plague priests. But mostly it's just skavenslaves.
With other armies, I will add slightly more weapons teams units (usually 4 ratling guns, 3 jezzails, 2-3 mortars, 2 catapuls) and fill the rest with 1 warlock engineer, 1-2 plague priests, and skavenslaves. The rats are really really strong and I've found having the skavenslaves there helps with autoresolve a bit.
Just bought the games and ikit and using him to learn lol. Going well so far
When a rebellion appears you can go into ambush right next the the sacked settlement. I think that gives a bit of an XP boost when you then ambush the rebellion army.
That could help too! It would definitely be more experience!
I just feel like I've tried this before and have never pulled off the ambush q=
that's a good guide
Fantastic guide! Was more structured than the others ive seen.
Tho for me in turn 4 Estalia always sends out an army for me. Is this because Im playing on normal?
Maybe - they've done that in the past. It just means that the beastmen did something different.
Ikit's army can handle that pretty easily if you get the ambush on them. You could even lay an ambush trap by having ikit hide next to your 2nd army
@@DameOffensive thx for the tip🙏
great video, can you make a first 10 turn to DN
A very good guide. Aside from some little mistakes, it seems like a perfect start. Also suprisingly cheese free ^^ . By little mistakes, things really minor like, taking unnecessary attrition by going into bilbali, or autoresolving Arenesa, instead of manually fighting and letting arenesa go to fight again.
Will definitely implement this next time playing, thnx.
Not mistakes. Sometimes I take intentional damage and mention that I'm doing it. I figure that it A) shows that if you take more damage than me in actual battles you can recover and B) how little that actually matters
Don't underempires cost food since the rework so that food bonus is just cancelling out itself? Great video though :)
No underempires don't cost food. Some of the buildings cost food, but that one I got is specifically only a good! And you can upgrade the building when you have money (although I think settlement buildings are more important early)
Skaven? HERESY!
Food makes the world go rounder, especially deep fried goodness
Yeah this makes Skryre a superpower (nukes included) in 20 turns, but such growth leaves very few food and food generation is largely negative, how do you manage this ?
The food generation is not negative. We passively gain a lot of food per turn. I just spent a lot of food to get set up quickly. We get some from marigliano some from the undercity and some from skavenblights unique building. There's a difference between spending your food and having a negative. We'd be up to 125 in no time if you spent it on nothing
Can you explain the point behind getting the warlock engineer to level 15 then replacing? What is significant about level 15?
Level 15 is needed to unlock the second stage of the unit upgrades. Replacing is just if you wanted to start cheesing levels
Didn't work for me since they recruited the lord in the other settlement, stacked units and sent them to the sack city with 13 units, tried 3 times, happened every single time
I tried this on normal because i'm pretty new playing Warhammer 2. Everything worked to Turn 8 in terms of food. Tobaro isnt recruitng Lords on low difficulty so EXP was a Thing. Didnt get the Doomflayer intime etc. No Armys at Luccini either. Right before my attack in end turn Sartosas Army took Lucini. I declared war and won the battle in Luccini. Took on to Sartosa but was low on food and needed 1 more sacking for Tier 4. The Beastman did me dirty an did the fastet Drive-By i've ever seen and razed Tobaro. So the Garrison + the new recruited Lord in Sartosa killed alot of my Units but i managed to get it to Tier 4 but after that with Tobaro AND Margritta razed i see no way i can get enough food to take Skavenblight to Tier 5. Why is the AI doing things so differntly in low difficulty campaign? I mean i want to learn but this seems like 2 different games. Kinda sad.
In some ways, the higher difficulties can make things easier because you get more resources. It's why many play on Very Hard or Legendary campaign difficulty, with normal battle difficulty.
@@DameOffensive Thank u very much. I sure will try this. Thanks for this guide AND the answer! Very appreciated!
Today, when attempting this at Legendary:
Lord spawned turn two. Yay easier experience!
Lord never came back. Boo, no more levels for Ikit! (This is bad, no regen from spells or doom flayer in time.)
Beastmen took Bilbali.
Estalia recruited at Magritta.
Estalia sent armies towards Tobarro.
Estalia defeats Beastmen army.
Ikit's ambush attempt in Tilea failed at 90%, had to resolve manually, they had survivors, who retreated to Miragliano and began recruiting. I am now readying my assault, where autoresolve gives me close defeat. Hope that nuke does a LOT of damage.)
All-all gone according to mighty-strong best-smart Skaven masters, yes-yes! Soon-soon all-all shall bow-bow before mighty-strong Ikit!
That'll happen sometimes. If you surround ikit, your nuke will do very nicely
I used a menace below to try and trap the general so a nuke could land on his head, as that's really funny when it works. It didn't this time.
I still took Miragliano. However, the Estalia holding the Beastmen off at Magritta was actually really Not Good for the Plan, as it meant they had three armies near Skavenblight that I couldn't just drive away. Lots of small things crept up on that, and I had to come back sooner, not get Sartosa, take Magrita instead, wipe out the Beastmen, and then a rebellion at Skavenblight AND Tobarro at the same time meant my sack-lord got attacked by the Skaven rebellion (which spawned with a bunch of rat ogres), pushing him away from blocking the Estalian rebels, who took Tobarro and ruined my sack settlement.
Sad Skaven Noises were made.
So, now Ikit is getting ready to go after the pirates, Skavenblight is tier 5, and the Wood Elves declared war on me,. So, you know, standard Skaven plan results, which is why I really enjoy them so much.
I tried doing this twice but Tobaro is't hiring any lords. So by the end of turn 4, Ikit is still level 4. What am I doing wrong?
If that's happening it means the beastmen did not attack Magritta in your campaign and you'll want to ambush the armies there. Unfortunately it does happen sometimes but the plan is very similar.
Wait for them to send an army back to Tobaro, ambush attack it and fight manually so you can get another battle and get more experience. Then you can go to magritta to take them out if you'd like. You can do that instead of sartosa
Hi Dame - I'd love to see how you did the Sartosa siege battle. I just can't do it even with a nuke. The mortars in the centre blast most of the army and rount all the slingers while Ikit and the other character get mobbed by undead and shattered after repeatedly losing leaership... ?
Ikit can solo most of it. That mortar will do friendly fire damage to units he is in melee with. And then the ratling guns or jezzails can clean up at the end if ikit is getting low on health.
@@DameOffensive Thanks Dame - I'll keep trying :D Great guide btw.
How did you fight the sartosa siege? I tried multiple times, but always got a phyrric victory and was in no condition to siege a second time.
Ikit can do most of the battle alone. When he's surrounded by the enemy they're less likely the shoot him. Then rattling guns can shoot through the gate to finish off it you still need it
Is this outdated? Everytime I try this, Estalia recruits no lord at turn 3 and rather just sends me the army from their capital. Also when they do eventually spawn a lord, the lord runs away the first time allowing me only 2 battles instead of 3, the few times he spawns
I have tried this several times now but no matter where I place my raiding unit, Estalia doesn't recruit any lords in Tobaro and instead just moves their many army to Tobaro.
Might be different behavior from khazrak then? Unfortunately it doesn't always go exactly the same but at some point they will be recruiting there and that's a good spot to stand. If khazrak doesn't siège them you'll need to send ikit to their other city first
set your campaign difficulty to very hard. The AI simply doesn't spawn a lord if the difficulty is below that.
@@TacticalGoldfishy that fixed it
@@TacticalGoldfishy I had this issue and only now noticed it was on nornal difficulty. Thanks!
@@DameOffensive I've been having the same issues. 3 different VH/H campaigns and estalia does not recruit a single lord at Tobaro.. feels bad
@dameoffensive If you reinforce with warlcok masters you get more green fuel.. since only warlock lords can get the green fuel for workshop upgrades
That's true! They were often reinforcing each other in the beginning, which is why we ended up with so much. I just don't like to mess too much with the movement there to have them follow each other for all 3 battles per turn
I wonder how you managed to do sieges without any siege attacker?
Vary nice guide, but I'm lacking food by the time I reach Luccini. The only difference I can see is that my second lord doesn't have enough campaign movement to get back into his raiding stance after the 3 battles. Thoughts?
Are you playing on a lower difficulty? More AI armies means more food for you
campaign difficulty is set to very hard, but everything else is normal. Again, the only difference I see is that you're somehow able to set your second lord to raiding stance after his 3 battles, but I'm unable to.
@@TacticalGoldfishy you're grabbing route marcher? And you built the food building in the undercity?
@@DameOffensive yes, route marcher is the first thing I grab on both Ikit and the lord. The food building in in the undercity is built and upgraded
@@TacticalGoldfishy Without looking at it, I can't tell what's going on. Might just mean 1 extra turn to capture things at a higher level
Did the patch it again since this video?
How you're doing all these attacks on walled settlements without a siege attacker in the army?
I'm pretty sure the nukes count as a siege attacker. It's never an issue as Ikit Claw
Its an amazing guide but I'm struggling a lot with the siege of sartosa, the rotten prometeans are just unkillable lol
they should be pretty easy to shoot through a gate with your ratlings or jezzails. I usually leave them for last!
@@DameOffensive yeah you're right, I ended up managing to lure one of them out while there was no one manning the towers, thanks!
all hail the interaction comments!
On Very Hard I can't finagle the Miragliano fight with just Ikit occupying the center the enemy usually just swarms me and one doomrocket and summons doesnt seem to do the trick.
Mods? Doom rocket should finish all the units in there
@@DameOffensiveNo mods, gave it a few more attempts and I did manage a win by using another way, I ended up with getting some more ratbois in that were parked at the back to keep the remaining forces busy.
The butterfly effect in this game is weird.
How do you get access to 120 food? Mine is capped at 115 until I get one of the tech's to increase it.
You get 5 extra food capacity for every extra settlement. When you abandon Skavenblight, you lose 5. You would need to hold 3 additional settlements (Marigliano, Luccini, and Sartosa in this case) to get to 120 food.
@@DameOffensive Great thank you. Another lesson learnt
How did you get 120 food? I followed this guide exactly and when I go to take back skavenblight at level 5 it says my max food is 115.
You gain 5 food capacity per settlement you have (you'll need 4 other than Skavenblight), so I'm guessing you're missing one settlement when you go for rebuilding skavenblight.
@@DameOffensive turns out that abandoning skavenblight removed 5 food from me for some reason. Great guide, getting the right spot for the Lord spawns was trickier than it seemed though.
I wonder is this is possible in warhammer 3?
I don't get the option to abandon skaven blight. :(
This is cheesy but if you ain't cheesing when playing as the Skaven, you ain't Skavening right. Yes-yes please the Horned Rat.
cant seem to ambush the lord on turn 3 :( always has garrison helping him
I'm not sure why but I for the life of me can't get the ambush off when fighting tila at 2:30 I followed everything up to that point to a T but the ambush refuses to happen, I maxed out ancient cunning on ikit I have both my lords as close as possible to each other but the ambush never goes off.
you ever found out why?
@@markozafirkovski1234 nope
Well For whatever reason didn't work like this for me and the enemy brought 3 armies around from behind me lol.
Problem tobaro never spawned a army
It seems that happens in maybe 30-40% of campaigns? I think it depends on beastmen RNG. You can still get quite a bit of experience with just the settlement and then wait until Lupio shows up to delete his army
@@DameOffensive yeah I was about 8 turns behind still a amazing start even with bad rng currently heading down to murder grimgor with a doom stack because of how many campaigns he's coated half the map
How has it never occurred to me to make a 2nd army?
Oh no lol
Don't forget to ask the beastmen for money if they like you that's free 2k
What the... Im not playing the Game for very long, but i noticed there ist some potential in exploiting skryres mechanics.... but this ist ridiculous xD
So you have not seen much. Like abusing lord loyalty mechanic to have Ikit max level with full stack of plague catapults and over 100k gold in turn 2 and tier 5 Skavenblight in turn 4 with established infinite source of gold, exp and food.
@@Armant. wtf xD
Let’s just pray that mbappe won’t get his second WC win and Messi never gets one. That would be a disaster
Thx for the video help me alot
Tried this twice and nothing went like in the video for me. Lol it looked fun but I think the devs patched this cus they saw this video idk maybe I’m just dumb. Haha I am watching a video on how to play a game. So safe to say I’m dumb and might have done it wrong.