Episode 58: Power Up & Freak Out | The Linux For Everyone Podcast
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- čas přidán 22. 05. 2024
- A talk at the Linux App Summit about software sustainability -- and the environmental impact of power-hungry code -- was a shocking wake-up call that's too important to ignore. Please give a warm welcome to the creator of that talk, KDE's Joseph P. De Veaugh-Geiss].
In this episode of Linux For Everyone, we discuss Joseph's vital work with KDE Eco, and the path the project is forging to create a culture of software sustainability and inspire more power-efficient software. Our conversation might dramatically change how you think about the apps you use, and the potentially devastating ecological footprint of the software installed on millions -- if not billions -- of devices.
Joseph and I both hope this episode inspires more conversation and more awareness.To that end, here is a long list of resources and links to help you better understand the situation, and to get directly involved!
LINKS & RESOURCES:
🔗 Linux For Everyone @ Mastodon: fosstodon.org/@Linux4Everyone
🔗 KDE Eco eco.kde.org/
🔗 The KDE Eco Handbook eco.kde.org/handbook/
🔗 KDE Eco: Get Involved eco.kde.org/get-involved/
🔗 The Green Metrics developer tool github.com/green-coding-berli...
🔗 Free and Open Source Energy Efficiency Project (FEEP) Repo invent.kde.org/teams/eco/feep
🔗 The Hidden Life Of An Amazon User: Article branch.climateaction.tech/iss...
🔗 The Hidden Life Of An Amazon User: Interactive Project www.janavirgin.com/AMZ/amazon...
🔗" Sustainable Programming" online course open.hpi.de/courses/cleanit20...
(see 04:20-06:10 to go from a one CPU-second reduction to 95 thousand megawatt hours by scaling up). Choice quote: "Often, it is a quite manageable set of decisions which lead to significant differences in power consumption"
🔗 "Post Collapse Computing" Parts 1-4 by Tobias Bernard blogs.gnome.org/tbernard/2022...
🔗 GUADEC 2020: Carbon emissions by Philip Withnall tecnocode.co.uk/2020/09/14/gu...
🔗 The German Environment Agency report comparing energy consumption of software products - English summary on pages 22-27 www.umweltbundesamt.de/publik...
CHAPTERS:
00:00:00 Welcome /home and monologue
00:08:31 Introduction: Joseph P. De Veaugh-Geiss, KDE
00:20:28 The questions we're not asking
00:23:48 Power-hungry code and fragile software
00:28:35 Carbon footprint of unwanted ads on smartphones
00:31:59 INSANE data use buying ONE book on Amazon
00:33:59 FOSS & power efficiency
00:39:57 KDE Eco
00:47:53 1st steps: Get more data
00:59:15 Resources & contacts
01:04:42 Jason's closing comments - Hry
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CHAPTERS:
00:00:00 Welcome /home and monologue
00:08:31 Introduction: Joseph P. De Veaugh-Geiss, KDE
00:20:28 The questions we're not asking
00:23:48 Power-hungry code and fragile software
00:28:35 Carbon footprint of unwanted ads on smartphones
00:31:59 INSANE data use buying ONE book on Amazon
00:33:59 FOSS & power efficiency
00:39:57 KDE Eco
00:47:53 1st steps: Get more data
00:59:15 Resources & contacts
01:04:42 Jason's closing comments
Welcome back, Jason :)
Thank you for the warm welcome.
Missed you, Jason glad to have another podcast episode!
Also, love KDE!
Thank you for the very warm welcome back. And thanks for listening.
You are back!!! Welcome back. Missed you!!
Welcome back...and welcome home! I've been missing this channel and hope you'll be back regularly again, even if just once or twice a month.
31:59 That amount of processing/energy just for a purchase checkout is absolutely insane. All to collect user data -- more user data than is even realistically useful.
I strip out everything unnecessary from the websites I manage and optimize as much as possible. I specifically use a Raspberry Pi in my webdev process to make sure the sites run fast even with extremely lean resources/power.
Hey David, thanks for the warm welcome back!
You know, as someone who used to make a living by writing and and producing content for the web -- with my income driven by the ads that surrounded that content -- I used to be against things like ad-blockers. And I never actively DISLIKED tracking code. But I've been slowly coming around, and now when I see the pure wastefulness that all that comes with... I don't know, we as an internet-based society just need to find another way.
@@LinuxForEveryone I'm not 100% against _all_ data collection. It can be genuinely useful for both the user and company with information to help keep a site updated, relevant, and engaging.
I know execs tend to think "more data = more better" but I find that's rarely the case. The amount, and often the type, of data collected is just absurd and unnecessary. I never considered it from the [wasted] energy resources point of view before, but the two of you made an excellent point about that.
So nice to have you back. 😘
It's GREAT to be back. Thank you Philipp!
If kde improves in energy efficiency at least 1% per app that would be a really appealing reason to use it over other desktop enviroments, specially on laptops.
I think the community show should be named
Linux by Everyone
That's not a bad idea...
Welcome back ❤ listening while working out 😎
Thank you, it felt so great to record this. Already thinking about the next one.
@@LinuxForEveryone This is super interesting for someone with my background, I even currently applied for a Berlin company that develops ML algorithms for the reduction of CO2 emissions in cement and concrete production (fingers crossed)
@@baldpolnareff7224 What a fascinating area! See, yet ANOTHER little ripple I would have never considered. (Good luck, hope you get it)
Welcome back. We missed you and your knowledge.
Thank you Tony. It feels great to be back.
Oooooooooooh yeah!!!!!!! I love the new show model btw, comes across as more from the heart which is really the reason I enjoyed Linux for Everyone from the start so I think the pay change is good 😊
Thank you for this comment, Jesse. When the only motivation to publish something is that you're passionate about it...that passion should come through loud and clear. Glad it's resonating with you.
Whoo hoo! He's back!
Indeed. Thank you for sticking around!
Welcome back man! Missed these podcasts :)
Missed you too. Thanks Erik.
very nice to see you back, I was checking on your channel some month ago
congratulations to getting a job in Mozilla and if I knew you were in the Czech Republic - my country - I would have gone there
Thank you Roman, appreciate you coming back to listen.
@@RomanMlejnek You have a BEAUTIFUL country. Brno is now one of my favorite cities and I can't wait to go back someday.
@@LinuxForEveryone I live in the north so Prague is way more accessible for me though so if you ever... :P
Well hello there.
What's the best alternative to excel ?
Sorry I'm new to Linux not aware of applications which will work and which is better
As gonna go for antix as have a old laptop I just want to use it for data analysis so SQL and excel (alternative)
Would appreciate the help 🙏
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