Cannondale Super Six Evo vs. Synapse Carbon Disc Bike • Race vs. Endurance (Full Version)
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- "What makes the difference between a race bike and an endurance bike? The geometry of the frame..." - Jack from Ing Guides.
Buying a new road bike can be complicated. This video simplifies a fundamental modern road bike buying decision - Race or Endurance?
Ing Guide's graphically illustrates the differences between the Race and Endurance platforms, and what it means to your riding.
- Video is full of good stuff to know.
- Chock-full of bike eye candy!
- Cannondale fans will Love!
Thanks for watching.
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A great video with graphics that educate the viewer the subtle differences in geometry between the bikes in lucid detail. And that closing statement just nailed it!!!
I got myself a Synapse and for precisely the same reasons ; had I watched this video before my purchase, it would have bolstered my confidence.
Great video, kept me engaged throughout. Also find very helpful the graphics to illustrate difference between the frame geometries of the race versus endurance bikes. One of the best I've seen so far! Most helpful is the explanation of the functions and value propositions of each of the two Cannondale road bikes. Looking forward to your next review!
This video deserves more credit, I've been looking at reviews and comparisons for bikes, nothing compares to this video.
What? More lies.
Notice the TAIL dragging?
You have no idea What you're doing.
Thanks for the reasonings and science behind bike geometry, great vid
This video is great !! Super informative and you hit every point that I wondered before watching the video
By far, the best bicycle review I have ever watched. Thank you.
Thanks! You might like this then: czcams.com/video/p5NFmMQR5-U/video.html
Great video! I really enjoyed the geometry break down in part 3. It really clarified the difference between the two. Keep up the great work!
Cali LaFollett Thanks so much. We’re taking your advice. Many more cycling pieces coming. Jack
Fabulous graphical diagrams to aid understanding of frame geometry differences and their impact. Thank you!
Really good comparative analysis. Love the side-by-side graphs. I'm not a spring-chicken anymore, and with my lower back becoming an issue on long rides, I'm finally switching away from aggressive race geometry to endurance geometry.
Excellent video. I wish I had this last year when trying to understand geometry. I bought a CAAD12 (aluminium super six) 'race' bike in the end and super happy with it. I use it to commute 26 miles / 42km to work and back
Absolutely great video! Much appreciated explanation that a newbie like me can actually follow.
Thank you for dissecting the difference to a iota. Very technical video that doesn't simply ape manufacturers' claims, but lays out the technicalities of cycling geometry and its consequences comprehensively. Considerable effort must have been exerted in the production of the video. Subscribed.
Love that closing statement! Awesome video one of the best out there.
Awesome! Thank you!
Congratulations!! This is a VERY VERY informative and helpful video. Thanks
Thanks much uby79. Me and you gotta hang out more.
Best video on this type of thing I've seen
This is the best race vs endurance geometry video on CZcams
Very well explained. Great video. Thank you.
Excellent review! Great analysis!
Been into bikes of all kinds for several years now (motorcycles and bicycles) and always struggled to understand the different geometries and the true differences in “feel” they make. Part 3 of this video explained it perfectly. Thanks for putting the time and effort into making this video. Also, you should do a comparison between the Giant Defy and Giant TCR models.
Excellent video! Considering both of these bikes in lower spec as a trainer to support my MTB riding. Subscribed!
excellent explanation, thank you.
Great video! The geomerty stats were really helpful, I wish more test videos would compare frames this way
Thank you DW. Glad to be of service. Your wish is our command. We're currently working on an Aero vs All Around comparison for late Winter/early Spring release. And if you're at all interested in e-road bikes, you'll be pleased to know we're doing a deep dive on that too with many videos coming. In fact, many more tests and reviews coming, done just the way they should be. We're even producing a video on how we film the riding shots. PS - You're awesome and thanks again.
Great reviews , explains so much
Excellent video! 👍
Fantastic comparison between the two. I especially appreciated the geometry comparison and explanations of the how the geometry works on each style.
Thank you. Glad to hear you found it helpful. You might like our How to Buy a Bike video. Goes into more detail. Thanks for commenting. Jack
Great comparison!!!! Time to get myself a second bike - a RACE bike.. I have a Synapse already
Superb video!!! Thanks!!
Great info. Just what indeed to know!
One of the best videos to compare these two bikes. I had to have one of each. :)
Thank you.
Wow! thank you for this Video. It was so informative! I am in the market for a road bike so that I can start doing the Ironman. Your video (although focusing on Cannondale) was amazing for me. I definitely would prefer the endurance bike over a race bike which I would not have understood so clearly if it wasn't for this video. Keep it up.
Thanks Werner. Will do. Finishing up a cycling shoe video now. More bike reviews coming. Good luck with your pick. Lots of great bikes for triathlons out there. Tri's are not my game, but I have lots of respect for those that do. Incredible athletes. All the best in your endurance endeavors!
Great content buddy!
Still a great video and review! Nice job 👍🏼
I recently picked up a brand new 2016 Canny CAAD8 frame and fork. I love it. It's a perfect blend of race with endurance mixed in. Cannondale call this frame the "heads up" race geometry.
Cannondale really know their way around a road frame..especially aluminum frames.
This was an excellent video! You broke down all the things I already knew but you put them together to make a clear comparison of the two types of bikes. Unfortunately, you've just doubled my budget. ;)
Very helpful video, now if only anyone had bikes in stock!
Yeah, current stock issues are a real bummer. Glad you got something from the video at least. Thx, Jack
Great video. I’m subscribed.
The geometry thing was really really helpful!
Thanks RH. Glad to help. You might find this even more helpful. Chapter markers in the description for quick navigation. czcams.com/video/p5NFmMQR5-U/video.html
Thank you for a great video
Ed T Thank you. We really appreciate that.
What a great video. I wish I'd seen this before buying a Synapse years ago. I made the right decision but I would have better understood why :)
Awesome video! Thanks 👍
A great review - very useful and informative as I'm in the process of buying a Cannondale Synapse or Racer
Good job.
Awesome comparsion! Just what I was looking for.
I am personally going with an endurance bike for a couple of reasons:
1)My balance is horrible, having more controller balance is better for me
2)Gearing, endurance bikes tend to have higher teeth range so you can easily get that bailout 34t gear.
awesome fking video!!!!! we want more videos like this .
Great video!
Thanks!
You got new subscriber. I think most of us want that you could do more bikes reviews. I guess you a fan of cannondale, but it would be very interesting how you compared other options with your favourites :) I'am getting sick of all those cyclingweekly, road cc and other sponsored channels.
Great, comprehensive comparison. Although the move from the 'bam, bam, bam' ride fast uptempo Super Six music to the sedate, elevator music for the Synapse was a bit mean! ;)
Very high quality video! Hope Cannondale sent you a few bucks for this one. :)
Nice wonderful video... Awesome Superb video... Thank You
Uday Shankar Das Thank you Uday, we really appreciate that.
I purchased a "scott addict endurance" frame second-hand. The part of me that lives in the past wants an "addict rc" This video has put me at ease. I'm 6'2" I've bought a 58cm. I'll slam a 12cm stem and ride it like I stole it. I'd only end up with 30mm of spacers on the "rc" Frameset anyway.
Süper video farkları çok iyi anlatmış
Great video mate, cost you a lot of work, I am impressed ! Now I know I need 2 bikes :) well done !
Lukasz P Thanks LP. You’re a smart dude. No one else commented on the work involved to produce this piece. Your insight is much appreciated. We’re currently making a new bike test video - Aero v All Around. So you’re probably gonna need 3 bikes. I know I do after our latest test. Thanks again. Good riding brother. Jack
IngGuidesLife I will check this out for sure ! Keep going mate !
Great comparison, thank you.
Where was this filmed? It’s absolutely gorgeous there!
Great video, I had a 2014 synapse, and now an evo of the same year, and you described them perfectly. Also got me thinking about how responsive my evo really is, I hadn't thought deeply about it before.
Pretty much the same here. My first Cannondale was a (Synapse 105 2012) after selling my first carbon bike (Specialized Roubaix 2009) and I really enjoyed it until some idiot car gets in my way turning onto the bicycle lane without watching then a smash at ~32Km/h breaks my headtube. I then bought a year later with the insurance a (Supersix Evo Red 2012) but like you, I never realized the difference until I watch this video which was the most well explained I've ever seen :o
Honestly it's been too long since I last tryed a Synapse so I wouldn't be able to tell anymore but I know I loved both. It's been already 5 years I rode my Supersix and I think my next bike for 2019 will be the new (Cannondale Synapse Disc Ultegra SE) as combined with 28mm tire instead of 25mm, this should already be way more confortable while still as good and fast, perhaps even more than my "old" Supersix as things have improved "stiffer & lighter" with time and anyway I don't corner super low like racers on TV and I don't do races neither. Less pain and fatigue over a long run means I can sustain more energy to go farther away so while I doubt it, even if I'd loose 1-2Km/h I wouldn't care. Extra responsiveness when you go in a straight line doesn't really help so I'll shift my priorities for the next bike.
At least now everything from that 2012 bike was upgraded so nothing but the frame is original ^^ As I absolutely want DISC brake next time, looks like both the groupset, frame and wheels won't be compatible so better start all over from scratch again. Will prolly also try tubeless instead of my carbon tubular.
@@PanzerIV88 So you drive S6- EVO and did not feel difference with synapse till watching this video?
@@luter7777 I cannot really say such thing as there's been way too much time in between the moment I've rode my two bikes and now I've already had my Supersix since September 2012? I don't really remember at all what it was to ride the Synapse and I've used it far less than my Supersix cause of the accident I had and I wasn't as "hardcore" back then and didn't make as much 100Km+ rides than I do now. Also it is so well explained in that video that often it helps to understand the difference or notice them more easily when you know what to look for rather than just "general overall feeling".
Good Video, the last sentence is key!
Hahaha!!! Right? I have several whips in my garage.
Marián Matej absolutely right!
I have a 2019 carbon disc I am 247lbs down from 310. So I bought a Carbon hopefully by next spring I'll get the next gen carbon wheels. As for the last sentence the equation N + 1 comes to mind lol
Man this is a great video thanks for posting. You really helped me understand some concepts I was struggling to grasp. I have a synapse and a specialized tarmac. The tarmac is arguably comparable to the Evo, but the Evo is indisputably more comfortable in my opinion
Im Buying a 2014 Synapes 6 Tomorrow 😎
The last statement is so true👍😀
Hahaha! You're obviously a cyclist too!!!
Nyc bike messenger approves this review about the cannondale synapse. It's a great bike you can ride all day long.
Alex Mars Right on Alex. I worked for a messenger company for a couple years. I have great respect for the riders. Your approval is humbly accepted. Thank you.
love to see this remade for 2020 version
azizul zulzaha Your wish is our command! czcams.com/video/p5NFmMQR5-U/video.html Also coming up is my in-depth review of the SuperSix Evo 2020. Spoiler alert: It’s an Awesome Bicycle!!!
very nice.
You are one fucking proper bike reviewer on youtube. Fucking good job.
Thanks JimmyDPX. Best fucking compliment, we've ever gotten!!!
It works great and is easy to operate
I recently got a 2017 carbon ultegra synapse as my winter bike. I didn’t want to put my Supersix through a winter.
It’s so true what you say. The Supersix wants to just go and you want to nail it. But equally the synapse is no snail and I still ride hard but with the benefit of the slightly more relaxed position. To me this gives me a winter of decent riding with barely any transition between winter summer.
The only problem as I’m getting older (48) I’m starting to prefer the Synapse but the Supersix keeps me spritely and makes me push myself harder.
Caught between the two, but as I’m fortunate to have them both it’s a good complaint. Great review. True on all accounts.
I’d like to see how my 2 x 2017 Cannondales compare to the new ones though...... Time to start saving again....as the new Cannondales look fantastic.
Hey DW. The '17 Carbon Synapse is a sweet bike. I have one myself. But, after I spent a couple months with the SS Evo, I dropped the Synapse like a hot rock. When I had to return the Evo, I took my check book when I dropped it off. hahaha, I walked it right back to my truck, after making a deal with the shop. Amazing shop btw. PapaWheelies Natick, MA. You've got some great bikes brother. Great to hear you're enjoying them. My winter ride is an aluminum '17 Synapse. Has lugs for fenders and I don't mind the weight/geometry penalty when I'm all bundled up anyways. Thanks for watching and the great comment.
Nice comparison down to the head tube and seat tube angles. I think the difference between the two is pretty minimal in terms of tarmac riding, but the synapse will allow adventure options for some off road, winter weather riding, and for descending in all conditions, the disc brakes is the best safety feature of the 2018 synapse - I'd go with the Synapse.
centre lock disk rotors or 6-bolts version?
NICE VIDEO, EASY TO UNDERSTAND I AM GLAD I FOUND THIS CHANNEL, I wish you guys would also make similar videos about other brand bikes. for example comparison between canyon ultimate series & endurace series. thank you I am looking forward to see new videos
John Kim thanks John, those videos are in the works. Our next video is on cycling shoes. Should be out early next week.
Very informative comparison, thanks - I watched it a few times before finally settling on a 2021 Synapse.
I can't compare directly with the SuperSix, but for anyone who's worried that the Synapse might be more of a "compliant commuter", as I was a little after watching this: Don't be.
On my first few hundred miles, I've both climbed mountains and sat very comfortably in a group of club cyclists doing 25 mph. At its core, the Synapse really is just a slightly tweaked race bike - not a commuter.
The difference in geometry between the 2021 models of the Synapse and the SSix/CAAD13 is almost negligible, and the Synapse feels both quick and responsive. If you want the Synapse to be even more racy, you can simply slam the stem and/or put a slightly longer stem on it. In this video, the stem on the Synapse has a couple of fairly tall spacers on it, adding to the stack.
Anyway, thanks again. Just wanted to add my two cents' worth.
Thanks Anders. Agree, Synapse not a commuter, was just saying it can take fenders like one. I should have been more clear. We value your two cents way above face value. Jack
Synapse is also race bike but for more "bumpy roads". Don't forget Peter Sagan won the race on Synapse.
Nice video, i have supersix with 105. And caad12 with 105. And muy old bike caad 3 Saeco 1998
Nice quiver brother. “What serious cyclist has one bike?” Haha!
Great vid! Sub’d
Awesome! Thank you!
Great review. I like the comparison. You got me more confused in the end with the question of how many cyclists do you know with one bike? 😆. Thanks for the review.
lovektoo Thanks! Sorry about the confusion. Point was “buy both”. But Incase you’re not an endurance bike dude, you might want to watch this: czcams.com/video/p5NFmMQR5-U/video.html
Nice ending 😉
Hahaha! Only a true cyclist would appreciate the ending. Thx for noticing it.
Thanks for nailing the talking voice tone. Unfortunately, there are still some presenters that yell to the microphone.
Having owned a race geometry bike for about 6 years I can safely say I should have got an endurance bike. Unless you're actually racing then it's just a way to make cycling less fun because it gets uncomfortable fairly quickly.
I much prefer the Synapse's aesthetics: a sloping frame, the oblique head tube shape, the seat stay shape, the chain stay shape, compatibility with mudguards (a shame it's not compatible with racks as well, and a dynamo head- and taillight), the flat-mount disc brakes and the wider tyre compatibility. And, of course, its relative utility for longer tours.
How’s the cannondale CaddX fit in… I feel like the only differences in synapse and caddx are the sprockets…Is this true? Looking for a new bike but if the caddx is very similar to synapse I would opt for the super six or cadd12 any input?
I'm a fan of road Cannondale bikes/frames. I own both CAAD12 and SuperSix Evo bikes. In area where I live roads aren't that good. I'd say that Synapse series is sold much better than pure road Cannondale models here.
However I don't understand why I'd trade speed of classic road bike for adding unknown bit of comfort.
This video contains no useful information about that.
I've never regretted buying road bike instead of endurance. Cannondale frames feels lively and not harsh in any way.
Great review I regret not buying the synapse.but it is on my shopping list for next yr
Thank you. That is much appreciated. You've got a least on winner on your list. Great bike! Thanks for watching, happy riding.
Well, besides both types of ride because of geometry, Cannondale makes great bikes... I also think like some comments below, most of us riders want a light, comfortable, responsive, dependable well made bike. My choice is having two, one for winter, one for summer.Funny we all know that being on a racey bike is going to be a tad less comfy than an endurance road bike, but hell, I got used to the position and feel right at home with it... after many years of bike riding. Now, if I were to do 300-400k rides, an endurance would be proper. I also have to say, after a 100-175k ride at least a couple 10-minute mini stops are needed (at least myself) were as an endurance bike you MAY only need one stop... but again, all this is a very personal choice and one should follow "the inner you cyclist" and enjoy the ride, the road, exactly how one wants to, being careful not to follow marketing gimmicks, other rider's likes n dislikes. Do it like YOU want to, but JUST DO IT!!!! :-) :-)
Great sentiments. Thanks.
I would love to buy a Cannondale super six , but they have a very short 56 cm top tube in my size.... I don't wanna ride a 150mm handlebar stem to make it fit, as it transfers too much weight forward when riding out of the saddle...
Right on Jaun, fit is paramount. I'm told the Giant TCR is long, perhaps that frame is better for you. Happy Riding my man.
Grandma always said, You can't have but one bike.... Yup that's what she said... SuperSix has always been high on my list of sultry bikes to own and with those classy traditional lines....
Jordan Graff Ha! Grandma obviously helped to raise you right JG. Respecting our elders is a must. I concur. The SSEvo is wonderful. Thanks for the comment. Happy riding brother. All the best. Jack
ingguidesmedia though I'd rather an Argon 18 Gallium 😂😂 I'd take both though hahaha can't have too many classy black bikes
Jordan Graff The Argons I see in Le Tour coverage look real sweet. I never ridden one, but I’d love to.
ingguidesmedia ridden one before (friends) though his is a few years older but it's nice
How did you find the fit of the 54, the sizing guide I looked at suggests for a 182 cm height, recommends a 56. Do you think that’s right?
Hey David, people's dimensions and riding style vary so much, I'm hesitant to recommend anything. Here's my story with the 54cm Super Six (which I bought after the test) if it helps. (Yes, the bike is that awesome.)
I'm just shy of 5'10". I have long femurs and short torso. I needed the 54 top tube length to get my weight forward enough to have good weight distribution. I run a 100mm stem. Consequently, I have a good amount of seat post exposed. With a single 5mm spacer on the fork, I have between a 3 and 4 inch saddle to stem drop.
If I went with the 56, I would be too far back, running an 80mm stem, and I probably wouldn't get the drop number I need even with the stem slammed. The 54mm is the size for me given my proportions.
I hope that's helpful in some way to you. We really appreciate your engaging with us, and wish you great riding.
Thanks for the video! Iam planning to buy a synapse 105 carbon just like the one you tested. I already have a Caad8 105 size 54(with a 12cm stem), but i really dont know if a 56 would be a better size for me as i am 6' and 32,7 inseam (long torso short legs). Since you are 5'10, could you tell me your inseam? (It could maybe help me with my new road bike size).
M Novak Hey M, I’m the opposite, long legs and short torso. My inseam is 32in. I’m not a fitter, so I hesitate to give you advice. 54 w 100 stem slammed to the cap seems to work for me in terms of fore aft weight distribution. Perhaps you can test both.
CAAD’s are wonderful machines, but I suspect you’re gonna love the road feel of the carbon Synapse in comparison. They compliance for such a stiff bike is a serious triumph of engineering.
All the best on your sizing decision. Thanks so much for watching and commenting. Jack
ingguidesmedia , thanks a Lot for the reply! Since i already have (And not selling) my Caad 54, i Will do some more different setups on it in order to decide If go 56 or not. Your vídeo helped me a Lot to marke my final decision! Thanks again!
M Novak 👍
If you don't know if you should get a race bike or an endurance bike, it means you should get an endurance bike.
I wonder how this test would end up if you would downsize on the synapse to get closer to the stack of the supersix and add a longer stem to overcome the reach difference. say comparing the 54 supersix with the 51 synapse. any comments ? you would benefit of a similar lower position, handling should be a bit closer (even If still more relaxed on the synapse) but you would still have more compliance. of course your seatpost hight must allow for this test (51 synapse has very short seat tube)
Hey Jan, we weren't in a position to test that. Just a couple of quick thoughts: I'm all for ride it as small as you can get away with kinda guy. Stiffer and better performance in general. The fork rake and head angle are still softer on the Synapse, and it is heavier. If you can go smaller on a Synapse, you can also go smaller on the Super Six Evo, soooooo......
Great video thanks! Where might I find that jersey? Kit looks great too!
Thanks much!!! Well, the jersey I was wearing came from PapaWheelies Natick. It is a great jersey. The bibs were also from Papa's but they weren't a set. A little mix and match was necessary. Better look at the "kit" here:
czcams.com/video/cTfXreLY0Qo/video.html
Perfect match for my old ride. FYI, the SS Evo in the video is my new ride, and its AWESOME!!!! I really really didn't want to return it after the test. So, I made them an offer.
ingguidesmedia ya sort of makes me want to trade in my few year old synapse! Thanks for the info.
Solid review! Keeping the synapse on my short list!
Master I also want to run fast in Cannondale！I commute 60km every day so I think it will be a good promotion
For those who make it to the end of this amazing video and can’t decide which style suits you…..“How many serious cyclists do you know with one bike?” 😂 I’ll take one of each 💰
Any chance you want to do this again with the 2020 models??
Nothing planned along those lines. But will have a 2020 SuperSix review where I will relate back to this vid. Thanks for your interest. Jack
Which one I good if I'm trying to lose weight? I weigh 222 lbs and I tried eating veggies but they taste disgusting so I've decided to plan to ride a bike.
CAMARO _KYLE Best bike for losing weight is the one that fits your body and that you like to ride. We strongly urge you to work with your local shop to find that bike. Take action, stay active and study nutrition. You got this man. Many of us at Ing Guides have gone from fat to fit using bikes. You will too. Action!!!!!
Я купил Cannondale Synapse !!!!!🚴♂️👍
выдающийся! наслаждайся этим в полной мере.
A north shore rider myself I recognize most of these roads, except the 8’ mark. Where is that??? Great video BTW!
Right on Samuel. I loves me some North Shore routes. I'm not sure on the actual name of the road you refer to, but we Metro West guys call it Prospect Hill. It's in Harvard, MA. One of those deceiving grinders that looks easier than it is. Thanks for he good words on the video. Happy roads Samuel. Jack
wowww... the real thing starts in part 3(9:02)- you went into different dimension
Hey All!!!! Especially the folks who wanted info on Aero bikes. We just posted an Aero v All around. Comparison. In depth look at ride feel and the factors that effect it. Watch here: czcams.com/video/p5NFmMQR5-U/video.html
What model poc helmet is that? Is it the octal?
Robbie, Good eye. It is indeed an Octal. I switched to the newer one that’s less bulbous. POC OMNE. < Way better in my book.
what wheels did you recommend for the Synapse? I'm about to buy one and dont know what wheels to buy to ugprade them. Thanks
Jan Humphries Hey Jim, I like the Mavic All-roads. Bullet proof performance. Good weight. Nice aesthetics. Takes wide range of tire sizes. Great price/value. Jack
@@ingguidesmedia Mavic better then RD 2.0 stock wheels?
@@luter7777 That's certainly my opinion. The stock wheels are heavy and mushy. They come with the bike to hold the cost down. Upgrading to a lighter stiffer wheel package improves the ride considerably.
@@ingguidesmedia cant find out any info about RD 2.0, seems it made by maddux, but no info about weight...
hi, what is your height? im 170cm what frame sized would perfectly fine for my height?thanks
pinoy bikers POC Octal, Navy blue. Bike sizing is a difficult situation. We made this video about it - czcams.com/video/XSfdAYLhFLA/video.html I hope that helps. Thanks for watching. Jack
Hello! I'am interested of your height, because i see you use the 54 size frame! Thank you!
5'9" Short Torso, long legs. 54 gives me the correct reach with a lot of seat post out. I hope that helps.
@@ingguidesmediaThank you! 😊
I'd also like to add that the black colour is the least appealing one in the Synapse line. The light green, blue and violet in much better.
Also, while I prefer hydraulic brakes to cable-actuated ones and disc brakes to rim brakes (particularly when matched with carbon rims), I'd like to stress that the idea they disc brakes maintain efficiency in any weather - is patently incorrect. They squeal as much (or more than) rim brakes, and they will struggle in wet weather as rim brakes do. Also, hydraulic (as opposed to mechanical!) rim brakes share hydraulic disc brakes' effective stopping power, and, much like hydraulic disc brakes (but unlike mechanical rim brakes!) they won't send the rider flying when braked abruptly. On the other hand, in My experience, no rim brake will skid as wildly as hydraulic disc brakes do - and that's a shame.
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Really, you didn’t weigh the bikes? Or did I miss that?