Comparing OLD VS NEW ROAD BIKE! | Riding the '13 Cannondale SuperSix in Bilbao!
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- čas přidán 23. 07. 2024
- Ever wondered if an old road bike would be just fine, or if you should buy the latest model? In this video I'm riding a 2013 Cannondale SuperSix and compare it to my current 2021 model I have at home. What is the difference? Is it worth buying a brand new bike? When you are on a budget, would an older bike still be ok?
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0:00 Intro
0:45 climbing steep in Bilbao
6:50 the 2013 vs 2021 comparison
11:27 buy a new bike or not?
12:27 Power numbers on the climbs
What do you prefer? The classic geometry of the 2013 SuperSix, or the new aero 2021 model?
105 group set? I would prefer the 2021 for better group set
2013 model any day of the week .
New model is better, but if you have already older one it is good enough.
Definitely the New Model. It also looks sooooo sexy!!!
I'd have a rim brake version of the new bike. But if I had the 2013 model, I'd get some sweet carbon wheels (ali express obviously) and maybe get a 105 11 speed groupset.
This older generation of Cannondales look so proper with the traditional geometry 🔥
Basque country is so beautiful, I was able to visit in the past but never ride there, I hope to be able to in the future
This has to be the one video where a sponsored (Cannondale) CZcamsr is so honest about the need to buy a new bike! Here we have an eight year old bike with a first tier groupset and rim brakes, and he says exactly what all experienced cyclists know : It is just fine! It is more important to lose weight and improve fitness and technique than to have a new bike.
That's it mate.
Hey I may ride a Cannondale demo bike but I'm still honest!
What about going from a 2013 entry level alu bike with shimano sora, to upgrading to a 2022 carbon 105 bike? 😅
@@woutervl I'd upgrade the groupset.
I've just purchased a Cannondale six 105 2009. Ready to fly on the city, first route bike after 3 MTB for urban use
i recently bought a caad5..im feel in love on round tubing and the diamond shape….oldies but still good frame..
Dude, nice video. I'm still riding a 14 year old Orbea Onix and, after more miles than I can count the thing still rides great. While I think there's merit in comparing pieces and parts I think that it really comes down to how a bike, starting with the frame, fits on the rider's body. While I love Cannondale bikes, too, bikes today are so freaking good that I think it comes down to fit and what the rider wants. Beautiful bikes, too.
Finally, a smart review of old vs new, with solid recommendations! Great work and review.
Thanks!👌
My 2009 Madone 5.2 is still performing strong. Unfortunately my 50 year old back is no longer a big fan of the geometry.
Enjoyed the video, thanks Jasper! I have a new Canyon Ultimate from a 2014 Focus Cayo (geometry is pretty much the same) and I took my Focus out the other day - while there is a difference in feel, its not a huge change. In fact, the biggest difference I think comes down Di2 (Canyon) vs manual (Focus). Also disc vs rim but whatever. Cheers, mate!
Thank you for this review. Love the old mechanic bikes. Picking up one this saturday 😊
I did exactly that, bought an older Argon 18 bike, from 2014, upgraded the wheels, narrowed the handlebars and modernized the groupset. I was actually in a bike shop last week, looked at what they had, and decided I like my bike better.
I ride 2004 Author a4403 with full campagnolo xenon groupset which I have got from my uncle few years ago. I changed saddle, cockpit and pedals and bike still works like a charm!
I have a caad8 2016 as a winter bike and it is superb still for a beginner bike it is very racey and feels very good and doesn't really flex much either.
Cycling fanatic Jasper is back with a brandnew video .
That jersey color is beautiful. And matches the new Evo bike, beautifully.
Looks good, but cycling clothes should never have visible sweat marks in my opinion.
Amazing ! 4Km Steep Climb at made gradients & Still manage to Smile 😄Love it !! Great Effort & Video 🚵♀️
🤙🤙always! I'm riding a bike so makes me smile!👍
I have a 2011 Specialized Roubaix that I got new at release with the bottom of the barrel Sram Apex 10 speed components. Over the years I added carbon bars, seat posts, and wheels, but this past year I tracked down the higher end parts from that time period (That are now much cheaper since 10 speed is two generations back at this point) and I just capped off a full rebuild with a Sram Red mechanical groupset and it was like a brand new bike that felt amazing. I couldn't believe how much better it felt and performed. There's no way I could afford a new bike with even Rival groupset pricing, so I'm happy to have some top tier components even if they are old :D
Great man! Way to go!!
I enjoyed watching the bicycle comparison video.
Which navigation model do you use?
I bought a frame from 2000, and I think it is the most comfortable carbon frame I have ever ridden. Yea the bottom bracket isn't ass destroyingly stiff, but it doesn't need to be, can hold an aero position for over 150km without developing back pain. Modern groupset and modern wheels, you wouldn't know the age
Brilliant no nonsense review , I have a planet x Pro carbon frame and it's an old design however I don't feel held back by the frame or the build. Bike fit and fitness trump new flashy stuff .
I have a video on a planet x TT bike! Comparing it to my aeroad,. Check it!
Just got this same exact model 2 months ago....makes me happy to see a video of this bike
You like it!?
@@jasperverkuijl still trying to get used to this bike.. Need bike fit. Replacing the wide handlebar and old group. Ride quality is solid. Much much stiffer than my 2005 t- mobile tcr. Perfect bike for sprint and climb.
Nice to see a youtuber not forcing new bikes on viewers and #ad
Cycling should be more about getting outside than wanting the latest equipment
So true! When I am on the indoor trainer, it’s all about getting better. When I go out riding, mostly I don’t care. Of course it also is, because I am not racing but I think that’s the point. Just go out and ride…
It should not be about anything. It's whatever each individual is interested in. No need to hate on those who just like the newest bike.
Of course not. You’re absolutely right.
@@mitchellsteindler it's not so much about hating people who want to have the latest bikes but about all the marketing bullshit that is thrown at people. Bullshit that no one needs or just isn't mature.
I'm still not convinced of the "wide tires" trend, with even wider frames and questionable tube profiles. at least in the road bike area. (bla bla up to 35, 40, 50mm tire width possible) plus the tire pressures. drove the riders earlier ridiculously high pressures, it currently goes with tubeless in the exact other direction. with tubeless are now driven really low pressures and yes you can roll over everything but the rolling resistance will definitely be higher, and the handling crappier. especially in the curves. all under the killer argument "more comfort". a value that is very difficult to measure.
Tires are tested on a steel drum and compared with each other. And the rolling resistance is measured in watts. Do we ride on a steel drum with diamond tread every day? Well, I don't.
next are the tire profiles. there is almost no premium tire as full slick. boldly marketed were "all new" profiles with indentations where you need the most grip. and thus intentionally reduced the contact area. They also like to talk about water displacement. As if I ever drive +160km/h in the rain and have to worry about aquaplaning. How stupid are they?
if the values of hambini are correct, you have to drive with a 28mm tire from aero standpoint with +80mm rim bed. Drives only in gusty crosswinds like crap. and at ~50mm you need 23mm.
Di2/Etap just exorbitantly overpriced. +1000€ extra to control a servo reasonable. for the money you get a RC car x-racer r1 in full equipment and can race with it.
would be interesting if an independent rider at constant 300W on the road testing a 2016 bike vs 2021. And no GCN is so fat sponsored, I can not take them seriously even if they make overall good videos.
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I have a 2014 Cervelo R3 and updated to a new SRAM Force 22 groupset and newer wheels and it is still up there with the newer frames as far as performance. My newer S5 is def more aero and it shows on the flats, but the R3 holds its own in the mountains.
Nice!🤙
I have an old Trek from the Lance era, apart from a very tasty wheel upgrade it's standard. I've never known a bike climb so well as that one.
Riding a 2012 CAAD10 with 2020 Campy R/SR 12 speed, rim brake WTO 45 Wheels. It gets the job done. It does not hold me back in any way.
Sounds nice!
just got back on my 2013 Caad10 with Campy Chorus 11 and some wide ass chinese carbon tubs and jesus that thing's a whip.
I had a 2010 Super Six and it also was awesome - DuraAce groupset was perect super light - great climber
Super six evo is a classic bike 👌 can't go wrong with it.
j have cannondale supersix evo 2016 ,good one!!!confortable and performant!
First nice comparison of clincher vs disc on performance. My theory is the rear seat stay/chain stay is wider on a disc setup (to accommodate the disc rotor etc) than an old school clincher setup where the chain stay width is narrower, its like walking up a hill with a wider stance, than walking with both feet normal stance
Mmm, I think that’s not really the case because the actual with of the hubs and dropouts is similar on disc and rim brake.
The spoke flanges of rim brake wheels can actually be wider because there is no disc in the way of the spokes.
For me the biggest difference between old and new bikes is tyre clearance. On a lot of old bikes you can be limited to 23mm tyres which I feel in this day and age is not enough. Older bikes that will take a 25mm tyre or more are certainly a good option.
I had a top spec 2015 Supersix Evo Hi-Mod Dura Ace Di2 and it was an amazing bike, with various upgrades I had it down to 5.9kg in a size 58cm. Running modern tubeless wheels and 25mm tyres gave great performance and decent comfort. Great bike to ride and always encouraged you to go hard and attack the hills
Sounds like the perfect bike 🤙🏻
@@jasperverkuijl yes it was fantastic, unfortunately I sold it in the pursuit of a more modern aero machine and bought a Systemsix, which was a very fast bike but I missed the climbing prowess of the Supersix. So I recently bought a 2022 Supersix Hi-Mod frame and building it up with Dura Ace Di2 and some weight saving measures, hopefully be the best of both worlds
I just had the same model. Love it. But I just hat do buy a new one because the bike has problems with tire rubbing at the chain stays. Furthermore it has external cable routing, making the shifting a lot better comparing with internal routing. But it was a little bit heavier than the hi-mod model.
Few years ago bought myself some 10 year old used Look 595 Ultra frame to build it up as my rainy day and backup bike. But this frame is so unbeliveable good that now it is actually my main bike. Alas, I still need one more bike for my rainy day rides :)
Sold on both Cannondale models; thanks Jasper for the post.
I have a very old Sensa Umbria aluminum frame with Tiagra 4500 groupset and 23mm tires that barely fit. I've ridden a lot with this bike up until last year when I bought a Focus Izalco Max 8,7 full carbon with 105 groupset. The difference is enormous. I don't want to ride the Sensa anymore. The focus just shifts sooo smooth, the ride quality on 28mm tires is very comfortable. I'm just cruising at a speed 1-1,5km an hour faster with the same effort.
Yeah man yhe feeling of a new bike is priceless!!
I ride a 2016 Super Six Evo Hi-Mod with Shimano Dura Ace mechanical and Enve wheels, rim brake. Unless something catastrophic happens to that bike (knock on wood it won’t) there’s no way I’m changing. Great video.
That bike is top end, never get rid of it!🤙💪
I’m riding a 2007 Felt F2 with Dura Ace/ FSA drivetrain, full carbon frame sitting at 14.7 pounds. It is an absolute pleasure to ride, it’s fast and responsive. It’ll out coast most bikes twice it’s price and gives me no issues. I’m good, I’m thinking that I’ll keep it.
Keep it if it works!💪🏻
Hey Jasper, i dont know about tje new bike. I have a supersix from 2013 and i love it! Im not really looking forward to go to disc brakes. I dont like the look of the discs and in the Netherlands i dont really need the disc brakes.
I have a vision metron 5D handlebar at a width of 400mm, i prefer the narrow handle bars. The wider ones make me feel as if im a parachute myself 🙈
I bought my frame second hand, from a reliable bikeshop. 1600€ and sold my old one for 800. The new frames can cost 6000-8000 depending on the accessoires. You can get a good frame foe a reasonable.budget
Ik heb zelf een tweedehands fiets uit 2008 dus ik ben benieuwd naar deze vergelijking 😎
Great advice 🤙🏽
What’s the go pro mount that he used that allows him to seamlessly home the camera and still put it on his head for when both of his hands are in the bars
Crazy stuff huh. It's a mouth piece i started using recently!
Love the older frame geometries!
Thanks for the new vid Jasper! I enjoyed it. See you !
I'm so glad I got one of the 2nd generation EVO's and while I'm all for black for bikes, that Cannondale Team colors scheme is tasteful & timeless. They used to have the best paint jobs, now they have the worst and Trek has the best. That '13 is gorgeous. 😍
🤙
@@jasperverkuijl 👍
Makes me feel a little bit better about my '03 Trek 2300.
"what day is it?" Yeah that's an airline pilot alright, I find myself asking this most morning 😂
🤦🤣
1st/2nd gen EVO is all time best racing bike!
Old but gold❤
I am actually more attracted to the horizontal top tube that older supersix has
Yeah that's nice huh!? I think that's what so many people live about the old Supersix 🤙🤙
How can you measure your power on a different bikes? You have pedals with power meter?
yes he does have
Those hubs look cool! Any idea who makes them?? Never seen ones like those before.
These are the 2016 era DT Swiss wheels.
I think they may be the R21 or something like that. Recently they updated those wheels into the DT Swiss PR1400 maybe. Or 1800
Great video Jasper, I’m looking at a SuperSix, you have a 56, how tall are you and what’s your inside leg, please, think I’m gonna go for a 54, if I can find one. Huge bike shortage in the U.K.
186cm
And BTW u added a great music in 3:41
This is the first time I saw your channel. I clicked on it quickly when I saw you were comparing a '13 Cannondale. I had a 2013 SuperSix with mechanical Ultegra (double chainring of course) and decided I wanted to upgrade to disc and electronic. I went with Red on my new bike. I sold the old Cannondale and kind of regretted selling it. My new bike is cool and I love it. Other than the disc brakes, I don't feel it was all that much of an upgrade. Unfortunately, the 2013 is dead. The guy I sold it too was ridding through town, wasn't paying attention and ran into a truck. The top tube was badly damaged in the crash. I guess I should have sold it to someone who I didn't know and wouldn't ever hear from again. That way I could just live in ignorance believing that the bike would live forever.
You sold one of the greatest rim brake climbing frames known to mankind 🤦🏼♂️😅
Forget it and continue!! Have fun on the new bike!!
@@jasperverkuijl Yes. I did. Just rub it in. LOL! 😆
Keep it up 🤙😍
So nice of that guy to let you ride his bike!
100%
CAAD10/CAAD12 are incredible values if you want to get into cycling. You can find CAAD10s used for less than $1000, I've got mine with a powermeter+carbon wheels all in for less than $2k. That won't even get you an entry level carbon bike from Specialized.
Nice!!🤙
That's good advice about old frames..I've a Trek 5220 oclv from 1998, it's still a quick bike. Not as good as an Emonda with a 700c frame, but still a decent old bike with a really good frame, you can pick up for around 400 - 500 crispy ones, here in the UK.... You might find one with a triple too ... !
I still ride a vintage CAAD4, and i love it!...But! Im about to buy a 18' Supersix Evo frameset for $300 US. Yeah! And its in great condition. Cant wait until Wednesday!
Wow nice!
Hi Jasper good to see you back in vlogging
105 Group set on a cannadail cadd4 is my killer bike
Jasper, I would like to know how your old Fuji compares to the new bikes?
Still really nice!
The music is tight! I could roll to this.
🤙
Amazing review. How did you feel on the 58? I believe we’re the same height.
58 is ok. But like 56 better.
I'd rather do climbing on the 2013 model. I saw one for sale last year but just couldn't swing the finances. Tried to convince the mrs to buy it for me. No dice.
Get ready for the next one thatncomes around!
If your lady controls the money then she WONT respect you bro.
I drive the evo 2012 an iam still absoluty happy with the performance.
Great bike it is!
great stuff
Test some time Van Rysel. Im curious how its compared to mainstream bikes.
Check my Glasgow video, that's on a can Reysel
Купил себе такой же, пока не обкатал, вот смотрю обзоры, отзывы, спасибо
Hey Jasper, welcome back to my hometown ;-)
What abaut making a triple comparation?? I will let you my 2016 Supersix Evo HM with Bora 50 and Dura-Ace ;-) Just 10 minutes away from your Hotel in Bilbao !!!!
Sounds good bro!! Send me a DM on Instagram!🤙🤙
The old one is very very beautiful bike. Btw when you say recovery time, did you not ride at all for 2 days?
Can't remember but i think so yes
Ainda hoje curto demais esse modelo.
Just bought a specialized allez elite from 2010 with full tiagra. I’m so excited
Enjoy!👍
@@jasperverkuijl will do! Do you reckon that group set will do a good job or will need an upgrade?
@@loc9588 depends on what you think is "good".... It might start to rust and lose the crisp shifting after using it for a while. Ask me and I say Shimano 105 is the minimum... But on the other hand dude, the bike doesn't matter that much! Ride it, enjoy it, beat the shit out if it, than upgrade when you can!🤙🤙🤙
@@jasperverkuijl thanks for the sound advice. Yeah it’ll be a great ride. My first proper road bike. Yeah exactly, I guess I’ll upgrade as I go along. Cheers
I miss basque. Lucky you!
The outside cable at the handlebar donnot look so good,but nice bike.👍
... do* not* look ... The outside cables look far better than those fat, bloated monsters of stems you need to hide all cables/hoses on the inside.
Brutally, Refreshingly Honest!
True for Most of us.
BUT
For the elite biker where shaving 10ths of a second matters….i guess a switch to the newer frame warranted
Absolutely!
I'm still looking to secure a 2013 Super Six Evo Hi-Mod.
Maybe the himod is not available a lot but I've seen them om dutch 2nd hand markets
The hi mod is a thing of beauty. I have the 2012 version, with SRAM Red. Bought second hand 18 months ago for the princely sum of £800, a quick upgrade on the stock wheels and saddles, just over 6kg with pedals (6.5kg stock)!
Aupa VALCAR!!!! 👏🏻👏🏻😂
Why did you go for the SuperSix vs the SystemSix? for the Haute Route climbs? It would be interesting to compare the two!
It's SuperSix vs SuperSix. Your mixing things up?
@@jasperverkuijl No, I meant why did you choose to ride the 2021 SuperSix instead of the SystemSix?
@@mschmhegrt i didn't like the systemsix that much and do like the supersix a lot (Y)
@@jasperverkuijl Interesting. Loving that you're back uploading consistently! Thanks Jasper!
That bike will be upgraded in autumn!
Valcar
Gonna be great👍
i'm in University in Bilbao! great roads in the area
Put the Angliru on your schedule 😜
56 frame is good for 180cm? Supersix evo?
Depends on the rest of your body and bike fit. I think it can fit yes, but maybe you could consider smaller
Top class
It goes to show new is not always the answer...bike technology can get a bit over the top these day's...like you said most of us aren't super pro bike riders...we jus want something that doesn't cost the earth and we can ride and have fun, and get some exercise 🚴🤙🏻🚴 🇳🇱 🏴
Lot of people want the pro bike because they want to ride a bike like a pro. 🤣
@@jasperverkuijl Having a Pro bike and riding like a Pro is a whole different kettle of fish 😉 the phrase "All the gear no idea" springs to mind 🤣
Man I miss the triple...so much more comfortable
Comfortabele how?
How did the bike stand still at 10:32??
Magic
What's the weight of the that old one? Anyone knows?
No idea. In this setup it won't be super light but I'd you get a dura ace groupset it will be like 7,5 or less i think
Ohh i hate getting out of the city to ride lol😢
Lol... I really believe that my torelli verde 2011 is faster than my sl7 by 1-2 miles on an hour ride.
i’ve always said that the only thing the bike manufacturers invest and develop is the paint, they probably spend in research more than Benjamin Moor.
🤣
Nice bike
The only problem is people sell used things too expensive -- they can't fathom the idea that a bicycle that has been used and is 2 years old should be greatly reduced. As an avid e-bay-er, manufacturers release old frames they have to store for warranty purposes (when the warranty period expires)....these are better deals. Used items should start at 50 percent in my opinion ..
Price depends on value and demand i guess. If they bikes are still high value....
I think everyone love nachos 😄😂
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where did the banana peel go?
I ate it
@@jasperverkuijl Best place to trash while riding is in your jersey pocket, not inside stomach
the sexiest bike money can buy even after 8 years
🔥
Old looks SOO MUCH BETTER!
Looks faster 😅😊
What is you height?…how tall are you? Thx
186
What brand is that jersey?
Siroko. Discount with this link srko.co/verkuijl
@@jasperverkuijl thanks Jasper, ride on!
you should met ibon zugasti he has a vlog basque rider living in barcelona you have probably the same level
bet the old supersix is lighter than the new
And about £5000 cheaper even new
I’m still riding my 2009 Super six hi mod. She can still bring it on most rides out there. She holds her own even against the more aero bikes of today.
I think I could makeup “some” of the aero disadvantage by using more aero wheels. Perhaps some “new style” zipp 404s with 25mm tires. That setup would be a lot less $$ than spending $12 grand on the latest and greatest. Assuming I could even find a bike to purchase in today’s market! I see no availability with BMC nor Orbea.
@@boeing700 the whole industry is a joke at the minute. I cant face the idea of spending £8000 to upgrade my bike for something new. Waiting lists and prices have made me want a motorbike instead and do a different hobby.
@@ilikelampshades6 did you see the Cevelo R5 Lamborghini edition, over £18k! Must be good plated! A Yamaha R1is £17K! I know which one is worth the asking price!
@@DSKHo1968 £17,000 for a motorbike is extremely expensive too! You can buy some amazing motorbikes for half that price. Bicycles should never be close to the price of motorbikes when you consider the technology of motorbikes and the lack of innovation/tech in bicycles.
It’s all about the engine.
100%!!
this is arate the first climb
What do you mean old bike? Mine will be 18 years old in the spring, and it's perfectly fine.
Great for you man👍 it's not the bike, it's the rider