is Jeff DeChesare REALLY doing an INWARD HEEL?!
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This dude somehow flicks zero tricks but can do all tricks. It's a weird tradeoff but he exists lol
He can do tricks and lines that 99.9% of any skater on the planet cannot do. He has my respect
everything he does is pressure. not hatin either. everyone has their cup of tea.
@@redpotatoe. everyone is entitled to their opinion. It's seems like he may do them some times inward heel and sometime pressure
100% he’s doing pressures
Not trying to hate but I see it as pressure honestly.
@@tonyperksexperience1988 It's 100% pressure
@@DegenSteezLord I'm gonna go over some more of his clips so I can see forsure
he's basically doing his inward heel like someone would do a vertical hardflip which doesn't require as much front foot action.
I could see that point of view. Maybe that's what he's doing. I want to see them in person one day
People and even prof skaters as judges in contests still calls overcrooks being nose grinds so Im not surprised they call this inward heel, but the overcrooks called as nose grinds annoys me the most , those are 2 DIFFERENT TRICKS !!! AND NOSE GRINDS ARE HARDER
They are two completely different trick!!!! Finally someone with common sense lol
So giving benefit of the doubt, I’d say there is just the tiniest flick that is just barely done with the forefoot. But the majority of the momentum for the flip is driven by the pressure aspect. So I’ll call it a pressure.
And really it doesn’t matter if it even was technically an inward heel. If people are questioning what your trick is, then it’s time to clean it up. It’s like when you gotta ask “was that a make?” Yea technically that might have been a make, but probably better to do it again. If I was trying noseslides and I slide for half an inch, yea technically I did a noseslide, but I mean cmon it was really just a stall. The thing is, it’s a sick pressure. If he just called it a pressure, we’d all just be saying damn he’s really good at pressure flips. Instead because he calls it inward heels, we say damn he’s got a pretty bad inward heel.
You said it perfectly!!! We would not have this discussion if they called it a pressure. But it looks like sometimes he does a mob inward heel and other times it's a pressure. So we are gonna have to take it by a Clio by clip basis
The clip of his feet stuck together in the air made me throw up
Lmao
😂
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What I’m seeing in his “flick” from the clips, he he moving his foot up, but as he brings his front foot out of the way, he uses his toes to flick it. For him to use his toes would mean the majority of his foot is away from the board, and as the board starts slipping, he brings his foot up above the board so he can stay on top of it and wait for the full rotation to catch it.
Personally, I don’t think Jeff learned to inward heelflip in the way most would extend their front foot out, but adapted to putting in the least amount of effort possible to get the same result, and I say that respectfully because he was always into doing crazy flip variations both on rails and down gaps, so for him to learn to do as little foot work as possible to still do the trick, means more focus on watching the board do the trick and either catch it, or bail it, because some of those double/triple variations can be really scary to bail, as there’s not many ways to properly bail them without getting hurt.
I do think he is inward heeling, just not how anyone has seen before, because he learned to adapt to give him the advantage while being comfortable, especially don’t big gaps and stairs.
watch Bryan Herman and tell me it's an inward heel. definitely not an inward heel. is what it is. still gnarly down a 15 but that dude pressure flips everything
Are you talking bout when he does his nollie inward heels?
As an old skater who was a 17 year old skater when pressure flips hit the scene in, if my crap memory serves me, around middle to late 91. They had been seen before, but easily missed, such as in H Street hokus pokus I think, from 89, 90. Someone does a rad one on a quarter pipe. Not a normal 180 pressure, but 360. It was good but I think went under radar. It was a new deal vid, maybe 1281, where skaters like Justin Girard and Chris Fissell, and Ron knigge were really pulling out the pressures and variations. This was mid to late 91 and continued into 92, but after probably 6 months, due to the progression and evolution in skateboarding, they became unfashionable, and seen as last years tricks, along with impossibles and late shove it's and late flips eventually. Sorry if the history lesson bored anyone but point is, as someone who was a more technical skater, Iearnt a few variations of pressure flips and a pressure flip is technically what Jeff is doing. To be fair, it's a very good pressure flip, and that might be what's confusing for some. He gets quite a bit of height which isn't the norm for pressure. I think it's one reason they were dropped in 92. It was seen as part of the low and slow period, and by 93 we were wanting more pop on tricks, so bye bye pressure flips. His back foot is pressure flipping and front is not heel flipping. Simple as that.
i havn't even watched this yet but the fact you took the time to break this down is hilarious lol
Hahaha I was intrigued my friend lol
look at the toes of the front foot. hes pushing the heelflip down. thats why they flip so slowly
I'm gonna find some more clips to observe and see more angles. I could be wrong based off those 3 clips but im confident that he sometimes does pressure flips and other times does mob inward heels
Dude flicks different. I have seen people do them so many different ways, and this is like the toe method.
At that speed jumping down a 15 the smallest little ankle motion and touch can change everything and maybe we can not see it, he’s still doing something. He mastered his technique and his tricks. Inward heel.
Hahahah stfu 😂 it’s a pressure flip. No trick ever needs a paragraph to convince ppl.
That's true. He might be doing the tinest heel flip. But it looks to me like sometimes he has the flick and other times he's not. So it's 5050 at this point
Every time I would hear his skating, all his tricks would sound like a pressure scoop, but that’s just my observation. Not hating on him or anything. It’s just what I see and hear
People are so slow, down smaller sets he literally does them normally. It has nothing to do with his specific style..
It’s just down big stairs and when he really has to land it he sneaks in a pressure 😂😂😂
Hahaha you may be on to something here
He’s using his toes to flip the board.. like a little kid would. It’s not a pressure. But it’s also not a proper inward heel either. It’s a little kid style inward heel kicking down instead of up and out
That makes the most sense out of all the comments I read. It's just really hard to see him kick down tho. I will review more clips and see
@@tonyperksexperience1988 I only say that cause I can do them both ways hahaha, you can sorta see it in these clips especially the third one
Yea the third clip is the closest to a inward heel. But the other 2 clips seem like pressures. But I get that analogy with the little kid style. How usually little kids do nollie flips by flicking straight down. But its weird
I'm gonna give you the exact reason it's a pressure flip and not an inward heel. For it to be considered an inward heel, his flick foot must pass through the board and end up on the side the board was flipped. If you flick correctly, you will kinda be crossed legged for a split second before you put your foot back under you. These are completely pressure flips. Not trying to hate, I'm just trying to clear this debate up.
Its a pressure but he can drag them up high like an inward heel. Still crazy either way honestly
It is an incredible trick regardless if it's a inward heel or pressure. He has my respect
These are 100% NOT pressure flips. The ball of your back foot needs to be right on the toe-side edge. These are really weak, mobbed inward heels, guided very early in the flip by the front heel.
I dont see that. It looks like he may do inward heels some of the time and other times it's a pressure. But that's just my opinion. Either way this dude kills it!!
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I do them through my legs and catch it high. Sorta hardflip style but not straight vertical
Heck yea bro. I can only do them switch but their sideways! It's a very difficult trick
right before you said "there's no flick" i was thinking "there's no flick". so i think it comes down to the flick. also, there's just something about his back foot to me that always looks like he's generating pressure instead of pop, like i'm wondering if when he was developing his technique he learned to think of it as pushing the foot down instead of snapping at the ankle. because you can apply downward force to the tail by snapping or pushing. he might just have too much leg activation, something usually beginners suffer from: pushing down on the tail with their entire back leg instead of jumping off & away and then snapping like you're supposed to. we'd have to see some flatground ollies from jeff, some ollies up & over stuff.
Yea I think we need to look at more angles and very high definition up close slow mo tricks. It may be the way he learned it as a kid or maybe he is really flicking in some way I've never seen before. It's hard to tell. But he is very good tho no lie
Not my cup of tea but they are working for him and it is different... i rather a clean bs 180 or even a ollie over a weird pressure flip down a big set
Your right they are working for him and who am I to say much cause i can't do none of this. But everyone has to admit that this kid has major tricks!!!
skating will always be the ultimate gatekeep lol.
800% pressure.
You do one then 😂
I wish I could but I suck lmao
His back foot isn't in position to do pressure flip therefore it wouldn't flip if he wasn't flicking. It's hard to see in footage but he has a different technique than most with his heelflips. He basically does a kickflip off the wrong side of his board. You don't see his whole leg kick out so it looks in the footage like he's not flicking but he is hitting the toe side of the board down with his toe. So he's heel flipping with his toe if that makes sense. It could almost be considered a completely different trick but it is definitely not a pressure flip. I'm pretty confident that's what's happening because I have a friend who used to do is heelflips like this because he could never master the rolling motion with his heel for a "normal" heelflip and he got tired of taking letters in games of S.K.A.T.E. So he forced it to work his own way lol. That's skating and it's all valid.
Nah... he just has 20 stairs for that slow pressure flip finally rotate. Either way, it's kinda neither. It's a whirly whirl if you ask me.
When you become good at pressures foot position stops mattering.
Your skateboard only understands physics, it doesn’t care if it’s a single toe or the entire foot generating pressure.
He also does 100% normal inward heels down smaller sets and when he’s not in a rush to land it. So no it has nothinn to do with his style.
As soon as he’s in a competition he busts out the sly pressure
So he's flicking with his toes?! I kinda get what your saying with the flick of the front of his toes but then I guess I wouldn't be a inward heel, it would be a unique trick. But at the end of the day WE ALL SUCK compared to him lol
Hahaha a whirly whirl lol someone in the comments said it's a pressure heel. But it seems that sometimes he does a inward heel and other times it seems like a pressure or the (whirly whirl) lol
I see what your saying. So he does them both but they look so close that it's hard to tell
Looks like pressure to me. Crazy either way.
Now u need to do the manual game
Or lord! Don't get me started on all the scraping on the nose or tail with getting out of manuals lmao
Plus like 180 fakie manny vs 180 switch nose manny?!
@@tonyperksexperience1988 Start Wecking fools?
Pressure flip. Back foot does everything. That’s not anything to feel bad about. Trick is still sick. It’s just not what he’s calling it.
Its an inward heel. his style is just absolutely ugly af. But its like the hardflips from back in the day where the front foot just did nothing but have the pressure on the board enough to make it flip correctly.
Exactly. His style has to develop a lil more but he's getting older and lazier
given his back foot position square in the center of the tail there is absolutely no way you could call it a pressure, no? There's no where for him to apply... pressure. I think people give him too much shit man, he's a skater like any one of us and he's unique, albeit pretentious and defensive but understandably when every core skater shuns your mental tricks like nollie 360 hard because it doesn't look super stylish.
It's an inward heal but def would be sicker if he did it with a huge kick, he is kicking down like when doing a hard flip.
That's what it seemed like on the last clipped I watched but the first two seemed like pressure flips. He's still incredible either way
Nobody should ever kick down on hardflips 🤢
@@lax2dia101 to each their own brotha
I think it's a mix of both, but def more on the pressure flip side. I cal it a whirly whirly and he should stop doing them, unless he calls them whirly whirls... 💯 check out Reynolds inward heels, and Ellingtons pressure flips. Its neither. Lol not hating tho
Agreed. I think he's doing both. We have to view it on a clip by clip basis. I would love to meet him and actually film a proper slow motion video at multiple angles just to see how ( If it's really a inward heel) he actually flicks it.
Definitely pressure flips.
We gotta take a case by case basis on these going forward
Shuriken Shannon is the standard for Inward Heels. This dudes are definitely pressure flips.
Glad someone else mentioned this.. respect!
He does them the BEST!!! Shannon really flicks out!!!
I dont want to hate on the guy. It's stick incredible what he does and most people on the planet can't do what he does. But he sometimes does pressure and sometimes inward
It can’t be an inward heel because this lad hasn’t discover pop yet 😂
Haha that's messed up but funny
Its the same thing as a lazy tre flip. It still counts.
😂😂😂😂😂😂
It counts!!!
Jeff legit is a strange one. Worst skate style I’ve ever seen in my life but the most insane bag of tricks.
lol bro I’m so glad you brought this dude up!! I’m not trying to hate either but that’s fo sure a pressure flip!! Honestly I’m not a fan of his style at all. All his tricks look crazy and sloppy
For sure pressure inward heel. Which is still amazing to do that down a big flight of stairs, I mean who else is doing that?
It is amazing honestly. It's incredible! I can't do non of this shit say take my comments with a grain of salt
Its a inward heel. lot of fools in this comment section that cant even heel flip, may not be a super steezy inward heel but if you actually watch the clips you can see his front foot flip down. its a very small flick. thats why he is more consistent down big things than most
It's hard to tell. I think that sometimes he does a pressure flips and other times it's a inward heel after I viewed some more clips. It's really really hard to tell honestly
That’s a pressure flip 100% I’m almost a half a century old and I’ve skateboarded more than most people have been alive so yes, I’m gonna say that is a pressure flip.
The OG has spoken.
But it don’t even matter because the kid rips!!!!
Jeff literally does some of the hardest tricks I’ve ever seen down sets.
Yes, his style is odd, but that kid is HESH all DAY. I wish he skated a little faster though.
I agree!! He is probably one of the most talented skaters on the planet in my opinion. I just thought it was interesting the debate I was seeing online. I thought I would look for myself.
No there inward heels
It's really hard to say. I think he may do them at times and other times it's a pressure flip. Let's do a clip by clip basis
Man I really dislike the way this guy skates. It's probably the hardest style to watch and appreciate it's like he just flings his board around and luckily ends up landing on it somehow. I try to be accepting to everyone that skates because I love skateboarding but this guy just makes me cringe and sometimes I can't sleep at night knowing there's a guy out there getting all this attention and views with such a horrific style.
I can understand you not liking his style. But not being able to sleep at night lmao. But even tho his style may not be the best... you have to admit that he is probably one of the most talented and consistent skaters on planet earth.
So i see skateboarding critique has matched that of figure skating. Where if a skater fails to display a certain amount of flare or grace their tricks don't count.
The fact is , there is no official rule book for skateboard tricks there are various names for the same tricks and individual trick names can be hyphenated. Like what is a hardflip ? Is it frontside shov it kickflip ? If you do your shuv it very vertical is there really a difference between front and backside? Does it really matter? A board only has so many sides and axises , there are only so many ways it can spin or flip , however trick names can go up to infinity in different regions and languages.
Here are the facts
Jeff does amazing flip tricks down sick obstacles, he doesn't appear to be stopping, but rather improving. Either watch and enjoy or join the Internet troll boy hater association full time.
I agree he does amazing tricks. I just heard that people were debating so I decided to look for myself. Ultimately Jeff is better than 99% of skaters on the planet and he has my respect. I just don't think he's doing a inward heel. It's kinda like the nose grind vs Overcrook debate. It's would depend on perspective. It really doesn't matter to me cause I can't do any of those tricks. But I believe that sometimes he does pressure flips and other times he does a inward heel
@@tonyperksexperience1988 İnteresting points , cool analysis, in my opinion the pressure flip debate is mostly moot. The look is the nature of the trick. For example we don't see a comparably clean flick in tre flips compared to kick flips or heel flips , almost everyone's tre , the front foot is more stationary, and more of the rotation is generated from the back , it is rare to see a tre flip with a separate ollie, spin and flick like with a varial , same with inward heel , i don't expect to see massive clear flicks
@knyghtryder3599 that's a very good point regarding the treflips. Like with Felipe Gustavo tre flips it's almost entirely back foot. I think there still is slight flick tho. I just don't know for certain if Jeff is flicking or not. Either way the trick is still cool to me... but I guess only more clips will tell 😉
@@tonyperksexperience1988 Oh yeah , let's settle in the future of more great clips !! Awesome content
@@tonyperksexperience1988 Ps i would love to see a similar slowdown showdown with impossibles VS 360 shuvits
It’s a very very ugly pressure. That’s all
I dont even think its ugly like that.. I just want to know what it is lol
Whatever he is doing you cant, end rant
Well duh? Pretty sure that’s the whole purpose of the video.
@@FTHFTGU you have a valid point. Let us all be friends and call it pressure heels
He wasn’t even ranting 😂😂😂
@@FTHFTGU to be honest I'm a Jeff fan boy and never watched the video
I definitely can't do nothing he could do. He has a bag of tricks and consistency that NOBODY has on the planet. He has my respect. I just don't really consider this a inward heel is all. End rant lol
It's NOT a heelflip.
It doesn't look like it to me either