I REPAIR EPB MODULE on a Land Rover Discovery 3 / LR3 / RRS for 0$
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- čas přidán 30. 09. 2021
- WATCH THIS FIRST - A faulty EPB on the Land Rover Discovery 3 / LR3 / RRS don't have to cost you a lot of money. I managed to fix it for free and with the tools I have in my DIY garage.
If your HandBrake is sqealing when you use it, then STOP using it and get the handbrake components serviced. It will eventually jam on and unjamming it is not the most fun job to do. If it's already jammend on and you have had to pull the manual release then you have come to the right place because that was what happened to me.
A new EPB module cost about 750 Pounds / 1000$ not counting the cost of replacing it. So by first watching this video and then trying to unjam it your self you could save your self a lot of money.
I bought new bolts, backing plate and new plastic gears to have in reserve for when I was suppose to do this job. I did not get the parts in time so no parts was replaced, but I recommend doing so since you are already going under the car and fixing it.
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PART 7 - EPB-module unjam - FULL DETAIL Discovery 3 / LR3 Rear brake rebuild.
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AM - PM, whats the difference. 😅😅 Early release due to me stressing. I hope you enjoy the video and find it usefull. Don't be afraid to ask any question and share tips and tricks if you have them. It was a Patreon supporter that gave me this great tip of doing the unjam in place. 👍🙂 Best, Simon.
Such a great job and nice guy for putting all this effort to record and explain step by step thank you so much
Thanks man! You’ve just made my day. 👍😊
Thanks to your help i just made it in under two hours! Works great.
Cheers!
Wohooo, that is great news! I'm glad the video could help and it's such a victory when you can fix it your self! 🤙😊 Happy new year and remember to service/adjust the EPB each year! Worth the hour spent. Happy new year! Simon
I did this just today , worked great. Some tips from me : Its not necessary to take the wheels off the car , saferr this way. And cutting down a flat shafted item to around 8cm works great for getting it freed ... Just insert in the top.and rotate it down
Glad it worked out and thanks for sharing more tips! 👍 Mine was really stuck so was afraid to damage it as some point, so a home made tool maybe is the better option. 👍😊
Well done Simon. Big relief I'm sure. At only 36 years of age you will have many productive years ahead to fix your LR. Have a good weekend. :-)
Thanks, you too! And yeah, still a lot to learn and do. 👍🙂 But it's all good and fun.
Legend!!! Thanks so much for the video.. I did this today.. worked a treat. $3.5k saved..❤️ It was exactly as you demo’d.
I reversed on to ramps which worked fine. It was uncomfortable, took force to unwind, and a good bit of patience. Thanks mate!
Thats awesome man! 👍😊 Your success is my success! 😉
I’m sitting here smiling while reading your comment so thank you so very much for coming back and sharing your story!
You have just made my day. 😊
Your videos are so informative and interesting to watch. I have learned a lot from your videos 😊. Please keep the content coming, it's fantastic and so well put together.
WOW, sorry for the late reply, but wow. This really made my day 3 weeks later. So thank you and know I read all the comments but I don't always have time to answer right away. Best wishes and I am really glad that the videos can help. 😊👍
Good job, could see the joy in your face. I'm surprised nobody has come up with a manual handbrake kit for these yet.
Yeah, real joy, I really was super glad that it was fixed. I had no time before I had to drive down to Erik's for the next part. See the video tomorrow to see a little sneekpeek. 👍🙂
@@LandRoverDrive Will do 👍🏻
Just did this at the weekend. Thanks for the video. really helped. I'm 60 though you are just a young whipper snapper.
Hehe, some mornings after a night on the garage floor I feel like 80. 😂 Glad the video helped and glad you got the issue fixed. Just remember to service your parking break every spring. 😉
You are my kind of guy 100% a $2000 fix fro FREE you are awesome and thank you for your helpful videos
Hey and thank you! 🤙😊 Sharing is caring. 😊
Great job just found mine was jammed did same tech worked a treat thanks
Hey Darrell, Saw this now. Glad the video could be of help. 👍😊 Simon
Mine is still on Jack stand and I’m on paused. Sciatic nerve stop me from continuing on till it heals. But yours a good idea getting it done. However my gears sound all grinding horrible. So I’ll just remove the whole things and fix at the spread tire well. I hope to have a happy expression like your when I’m done with mine. Good job. My is a 2006 HSE with nitto terra grabber A/T 285/60/18
Hey and I hope you can get it sorted. Nothing like fixing it your self. Changing out the gears looks like an okay job, it just takes a bit more time. I hope you will heal fast and I wish you the best! Simon
There is easier way to do it if you are having difficulty accessing it. remove the spare wheel. and sit down inside, remove the metal bracket and rotate it. you can easily remove the whole assembly and do the repair and put it back.
Yeah, I didn't want to touch the winch mechanism as it tends to fail, and it did later. Now I don't have a spare there so easy access. 😂 But great point, and for LR4, Sport and vehicles with the rear locker I think this is the easier way.
Thank you Simon for posting these very helpful videos. I've managed to remove the module from my RRS and just waiting on some new cables to be delivered. After pulling the emergency release cable I have re-latched and put some new gears in the gearbox. Hopefully I'll get the EPB working again once I've fitted and calibrated the handbrake cables/shoes. Thanks again!
Hey Ceri and thank you for letting me know! Always great to hear when the videos are helpful! 👍😊 Sounds like you got this job under control, just the final stretch now. I have just readjusted the shoes now after two years, and the epb is still working as it should. 👍 Simon
@@LandRoverDrive Brilliant. I'm glad to hear everything is still working for you. I'm hoping to achieve the same as I'd like to keep the car for many years to come. I'm slowly learning more about these cars and thank you once again for continuing to help us all learn more with each video you publish.
@@ceriwilliams5111 They are great cars if the are take care of and not to difficult to work on if you don’t consider the engine and automatic gearbox. 👍😊 Learning by doing is the way with LR and how I got started. Best of luck and remember to sub and hit the notification bell, much more to come on the channel. 🤙
hey thanks for your video I just fixed my EPB in my D4 the same way but I never had a scan tool I just cycled it a couple of times and its works fine
Yeah, I need to cycle it with the handle in the car before I got the position in the iiDTool, don't know why, but using the leaver in the car did the trick for me as well in the end.
Brilliant thank you!!
I used a smaller wratchet to get the screws out, but thank you 👍
Hey Simon and thank you! Glad you got it sorted. How was it to get the wining screw/nut loose? I remember I needed to hit mine a bit harder than I was comfortable with. 😂
I have just repaired my 2011 Range Rover Sport with a jammed park brake. Due to a change in the design of the spare wheel carrier, there is zero access to the epb module from the rear. By removing the rear section of the exhaust I was able to get access around and above the differential. The cover faces the front of the vehicle. I hit the bronze nut with a screwdriver and once it was turning used scan tool to unwind it to the latch position.
Just like you I had a moment of heartache when I tried to apply the handbrake when the job was finished, it came on and then released and showed a message on the dash "handbrake not applied". I did this two more times and then on the fourth try it applied and stayed on.
Wohoo, glad you got it sorted, definitely a tense moment when trying it out for the first time. 😂
Sport, different build up is noted, thank you for the updated info, someone will definitely get use for it. 👍😊
Which scan tool are you using. I couldn’t get mine to wind back to the latch position so had to do it manually. 😅
Great video, thank you!
Thank you Thomas for letting me know. 🤗🤗
Great job 👍
🤗🤗 It’s still working so I must have done something right. 😂
@@LandRoverDrive 🤣😁😎
Thank you so much for this video, it helped me immensely in understanding what was going on with mine. I got to the same point as you, confusion with the gap tool, guess I'll just pull the lever and hope for the best, but mine proceeded to jam itself again! Turns out, i was missing a circlip on one of the handbrake cables where it attaches to the hub, which means the cables were of different length and it was trying to tighten one side more than the other.
Hey and thank you for letting me know and for sharing your story. I have seen a couple of comments on this on the Disco forum about the circlips and it’s a great tip to check them if you have issues. Glad it worked out for you. It’s a pain when the hand brake is out of order. 👍😊
Thank you for this video!!!
You are welcome! 👍😊
Great work did mine on the drive in winter it was freezing probably should of just took it to the garage and let them do the job 🥶👍👍👍👍
I had it good then, I don't think I would have even think to start the job outside in the winter. It is fiddly enough not including the cold stiff hands. 😅😅 Is it still working?
Yeah is still working 🤞🤞
@@danhayes3546 Good to hear! :)
Thanks dude it worked couldn't believe it thanks on to the air suspension compressor lol
Glad the video could help you out. I'm really glad I found this out my self, save me a lot of money and pain. 🤗 Thanks for letting me know, Best, Simon.
Better safe !!!
Great decision
Yep, safe is always the way to go.
great job. I hope my handbrake will continue to work well for a long time to come. The electric parking brake is far from ideal, old systems work much easier and much easier to repair.
I hope so too! 🙂 It's definitely not ideal but if you don't be like me and service the mechanism I think you will be fine. 👍 I need to du a service after each winter as we have so much salt on the roads.
Nicely done mate! :) And congrats on your birthday too! :D :D
Thanks a lot! So glad I'm done with that s... Not the most fun jobs I've done. And thanks, 36 ain't nothing... 😅😅😅
Hey Erik what is going on with L322?
@@mcfobossan well thanks for asking. 😊 the L322 is a storry all of its own.. 😅 its been two or three months in the garage this summer. Fixing it myself - same way Simon is doing his... Started easy: Fixing a valve cover leak which turned out to be both gaskets and a crack in the cover. Then I changed all the heater valves and circulation pump. I also discovered lots of rust that on the rear lower sills. So I have used my time to weld that up. At the same time I did compleat rear brakes and handbrake. Fixed some minor PDC issues and fittet a hidden lightbar that turned out nice! 😊 Also done a propper service and leather treatment. But it failed the MOT on Friday due to rust in the rear subframe. (It looks good from the outside but failed the hammer test.) Used parts doesn't seam to be awailable here in Norway and we are looking at half the value of the vehicle for just the parts from UK or the USA. So I haven't decided what to do yet... The other half I've allready spent on the car during the past six months..🙄🌩🧐
So the yellow classic has been the daily driver this summer and will probably continue to be so untill Christmas I think.. 😉😊
@@LandRoverDrive with that cost saving in must be worth it! Good job! 👌😊👍
@@erikiversen4497 So worth it. All the savings on these jobs is basically all the ProSpeed Gear. And soon maybe a roof top tent thanks to you and the EGR-replacement coming up. :)
Really enjoyed your video I wonder if you can access the EPB module without removing the rear wheels and putting the car in off-road height
Not really sure, but I would definitely put it on jack stands to be safe. 😊😊
You lucky son of a GUN
, you could tell you were super super nervous
Great stuff man :)
Yep, glad it all worked out. Can't afford going out bying EPB-modules on a whim. 😅 And thank you! 👍
D4 is a bit different, access is more difficult. Need to reverse car on blocks so rear wheels are raised - this gives you more head room to operate. Remove spare wheel. You need to unscrew 2 nuts at top of the EPB backing plate, and 4 bolts at bottom of backing plate. Once you remove the backing plate you need to twist the EPB around so the front faces you. I tried to remove the power cable but struggled so left it connected rather than risk damaging it. I did loosen the cable screw cap by the power cable. Once you get the 8 Torx screws out and lever off the cover you can see the unit. I had to use a hammer and long screwdriver to unjam it and get it started. Then unscrew it all the way until it latches. It is a slow, tedious and frustrating job. Once latched I used an IID tool but no it sure if it did anything. It seemed just activating the brake lever a few times sorted it, it didn’t work the first few trimes and threw the Park Brake Failure code several times. Absolute pain in the butt job but very satisfying to get it going again.
Thanks for the update and glad you got it sorted. I have heard that the D3 may be a bit different. Not sure what, but I guess if you have the rear locker it would be harder to do. But good you shared how you did it so people coming here can see and learn. 👍 It's a pain but so worth it afterwards for sure. Thanks again! 😊
thanks, i just installed a 2 post hoist, I am 77 was a very good fitter, but now have the use of only one arm, I wish i could find help Mine is d4
im facing the same issue right now with a D4 It just keeps jamming up over and over after unscrewing it all the way to the end
I hope I get your relief shortly, did you pull the emergency relief cable to release the brake shoes to get the disks back on?
The emrgency release was already pulled as it was jammed on and I had to get the car moving again. 👍 With the it pulled there should not be any tension on the wires and should move freely.
Great video. My question: it seems that what caused the whole problem is the turning part (that one that is spun by the electric motor) was jammed in the side of the box containing the the EPB. So: what if by just unjamming it and then trying to apply the EPB will do it? I mean, Land Rover devised a system that can fail (EPB: we all know that it happens). It happened to me once, generally when applying the EPB while the car is (even slowly) moving backward. I had to pull the cable, and few days later it went back to normal by itself. So what I am saying is: maybe just un-jam it and try?
The turning part jams on when the cables are pulled to long, if the wear on the brake shoes are to much and the mechanism isn't adjusted. When you pull the cable it unlatches, I'm not sure you can get it to latch on by it self in a way when you have unjammed it. I tried different ways, both with and without the IIDtool, but no luck. The only way I got it to latch on again was to wine it all the back and latch it on my self. 🤷♂️
Once you got to the finale stage and latching appears on the iid tool to you select latching to finish it off or just leave it? I have had a nightmare after changing discs and after opening the module I found the right side cable was slack so took the disc off to discover the cable had came off the shoe. I had the undefined message and now I have latching.
Hey, saw this now, I had undefined until i got it it manually latched back to gether, the pulled the lever when the "Re engage" message showed up in the display, afther this I finally got the latched status in the iiDTool. Hope you got it fixed in the end, see it's now six months ago. Best, Simon.
Great video just about to do me epb module and replacing gear in it but after seeing your video I'm not sure weather to try this to save a bit of time I have the full rebuild kit. But it's a nightmare removing whole module can you tell me how long your handbrake has lasted since doing the job with your method? Many thanks Lee
Thanks! I did my epb module in early May last year. So 8-9 months so far and still working as it should. 👍 Will do a service on the rear brakes sometime this spring to check up on the wear and to readjust the shoes. 😊
@@LandRoverDrive thank you so much for your reply I think I will try this method before attempting to completely removing the module
Thank you for the excellent and very easy to understand video.
This is my project for tomorrow.
Questions:
Do you adjust your park brake pads before or after this unjam procedure?
Why not as soon as you first unjam it could you then go and lift the lever as per the dash display message to re-engage the mechanism as in a perfect world if it was not tightly jammed this should be the correct procedure after manual release if you could force the unjam. I note that Disco Mikey instructions also show winding manually all the way to till reconnecting.
I notice that the dash instructions and what you did is lift the lever to re-engage which confuses me as would this just immediately jam the system again?
Hey and thank you so much! 👍😊 i would adjust before you reengage the EPB by pulling the lever. So unjam the epb, roll it back and link it up, then adjust before you pull the lever. If that make sense. 🤔 Pulling the lever right away, on mine the system did seem to be able to do that, on the IIDtool it said it couldn’t get the position of the epb so it would do anything, so I guess the system has the same issue, it doesn’t know the position of the epb-screw so it doesn’t do anything. Just my thoughts, no expert here.
@@LandRoverDrive I did it yesterday successfully following your video.
For me it was easy to turn and it even wanted to spin a little. Once reconnected I adjusted the brakes and pulled the lever and everything is perfect again
That is great news! Glad you got it sorted and it's such a good feeling when it is working as it should again. 😊 But I due have the nagging feeling that it will start making sounds again so a good service now and again is key I think, just for peace of mind. 😅
Hi great vid , spent hours under car today trying to remove the cover finally did it , I used the autel scanner on unjam mode after I unjammed it , I didn’t relatch it manually it looked like it just did it but I now get a force sensor error , and the button just says fault when pressed could this error be because it didn’t relatch and how do I check cheers ?
Not sure how to check, I didn't get the position in the iiDTool before I relatched it manually so I don't really know what could have gone wrong. Have you gotten it fixed now, I see this was a month ago.
Can the icarsoft v2 tool do these kinds of EPB procedures?
Hey and sorry but I don’t know the icarsoft tools. 😊
Not too sure about the V2 but V3 does have a few functions for the EPB module. There's a mounting and latching proceedure and an unjam proceedure. Hope this helps. @BenVallack
What OBD2 software are you using?
Hey, I'm using the GAP Diagnostic iiDTool BT version and a the iPhone app for it. There is a link in the description where you can check it out. 👍
Great video, my 2005 LR3 has a fuel vapor canister between the spare tire housing and the EPB module. Did you encounter this? Looks easy enough to remove. Just curious. Thanks in advance.
Hey and thank you! 🤗 I can’t recall seeing a the canister but I wasn’t looking. Maybe the Discovery 3 don’t have it but the LR3 does, diesel vs petrol. 🤔 If it’s very visible and in the way I definitely don’t have it. 😊
@@LandRoverDrive Thank you, so your unjamming procedure worked. Thank you. The original jam was due to completely worn our hand brake shoes which I replaced. However it has rejammed after abut six months. I had to pull the cable at the console to get the brake released. I am assuming I have the new shoes adjusted wrong, thoughts? Was the fix for you long term?
I have the same canister. Did you remove it to get to the EPB module?
Why did you need to remove the wheels? Thanks
I don't really remember now, it's been a while. 😅 But I agree, you don't have to take them of and safety is number one priority. 👍
good job!! what is your appli for the LR3? I 'm using a Icaresoft on the OBD
"appli"? Not ure what you mean. If it's the fault reader it is the Gap Diagnostic iiDTool BT version. There is a link in the description if you want to check it out. I love the wireless BT version as I can read and set values outside of the car.
@@LandRoverDrive that's right appli it 's for french sorry
Nothing to say sorry about, just checking to be sure. 🙂 Have a great weekend.
@@LandRoverDrive yep u too
Hi,on vacation on big hill the brakes blocked, i pulled the emergency line for losen the breaks, now the light is flashing epb dont work, do someone know what is procedure to repair it?
Hi David, I hope your vacation wasn't ruined. Have you gotten the issue sorted? Simon
What scanner to iphone did you use?
Hey, I use the IIDTOOL with Bluetooth. Should be a link in the description I think.
Reaction at 12:45...OMG ....I know this well.
Hehe 👍😁 Best feeling when you have fixed something your self, a personal victory! 🥳
Just do it after many tentative… you save me as I’d make the same mistake..
What an hard job the first rotation 😢
But fully functional now ..
Yeah, was really hard to get it going and I was afraid to break it. 😅😅 Glad you got it sorted and that the video could help. 👍😊 Simon
Hi how did you get access please I don't seem to have the access you do let alone see what I'm doing?? But great guide thank you 😊
Which LR do you have? I know the RRS have some differences that makes it really hard to see and hard to get to. I know people then have removed the spare wheel, unbolted the backplate, turn it around to get acces to the module. 👍
Hi I have an 08 landrover discovery 3 hse tdv6 thanks
@@jonathanspearman9274 okay, same as mine then, I worked around the diff. If you put up a light then you should be able to see the black epb module.
Ble den ok etter denne jobben? Har en RRS 08 som hyler når man setter på brekket. Bare og komme til deg så hjelpes vi😅
Hei, den fungerer som den skal enda! 👍😊 Nå er det ca 1 år siden den ble fikset. Skal få gjort en service på håndbrekket neste måned. Blir spennende å se hvordan det ser ut. 🤔 Har dessverre lite tid til å skru på andres biler da jeg allerede sliter med tid til min egen. 😉
Rather than winding back that bar, bit by bit, could you have unscrewed it from the outside of the EPB, I'm hope I'm making sense, in my head I know what I'm trying to say.
Not sure what you are thinking, need to open it to get access to the mechanism. The screw jams agains the plastic and there is nothing on the outside that would let you screw/unscrew it in any way. 🤔
@@LandRoverDrive I did what you did in your video, once I opened it I answered my own question ... LOL. Thank you for posting the video, it was a great help
@@jamiepome Glad it was helpful! 🤗🤗 Why I make these garage videos. 👍
Hello. Have this ever happend again after his video? Best Regards.
Hey and no, the EPB is still in working order. 👍😊
@@LandRoverDrive Okay, happy to hear. I have an error message on the e-brake switch in the car. Have tryed 2 switches, but still have error and e-brake don't work.
Probably something with the epb moudule at the rear I would think. If it won't engage. 🤷♂️
@@LandRoverDrive Thanks
Anyone near 4556 Au, I suffered a stroke not have much use of left arm, my D4 is in my drive on a two-post hoist I installed, would pay for help, I am old this day, have 2010 tdv6 and 2016 sdv6
Hey and happy new year! Sorry to hear about your arm, I hope someone sees this and can help you out. If not, check if you can find a forum or a facebook group for the area. 😊 Best, Simon
You showed such relief. If I may ask what might have been the cost to repair by a mechanic? Well done and good advice about ergonomics. 👍🏻🙏🏽😷🦘
Fixed in Norway at the LR garage I'm guessing it would be around 2000$ to 2500$ depending on how long they would estimate the job. The EPB-module alone is about 1500$ from them. I can get the module for about 1000$ from the UK. These a guesses but it would not be cheaper if I was wrong, it would be more expensive... I do my best to share my experiences and tips, I Hope it will help someone out there. :)