Grand Strategy of Stalin's Empire (Part Two: 1941-1953)
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- čas přidán 23. 08. 2024
- McMeekin, Sean. Stalin's War: A New History of World War II. (2021): www.amazon.co....
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A royal rumble of history bros. Thanks gentlemen, excellent stream.
History bres (as in brethren)
1:02 Don't want to come across as a pedant but Gudarian had no "big Cats" in 0ctober November 1941 -his tanks back then were Pz III with maximum 30 to 50 mm armour and a short 5cm gun. the "big Cats" didn't appear until December 1942 and in numbers in July 1943 at Kursk.
it's not pedantry. they should be aware of this.
Pedantry is to make a insignificant or modest issue into a large one. A historical error is not insignificant or modest nor did you make it into a large one
You have to respect the Soviet Union for being able to absorb the German attack in 1941. The Wehrmacht was arguably at its peak then, with the most experienced officers, the most fully manned mechanized divisions with reserves. The losses in eastern Europe makes the rest of the WW2 theatres seem small by comparison.
Fully manned mechanised divisions? - the German army took 3 million horses in operation barbarossa. As Clint Eastwood said 'a man gotta know his limitations'
Good day. If you are American, may I ask whether history is taught in depth in American schools? I ask because I work abroad in a "vacation city" and thus meet many people from almost every country. In my observations, on average, Americans have the least general knowledge regarding history. I'm genuinely interested to know and mean no insult. Thanks
@@dewetmaartens359 I'm sorry but you are very misinformed, sir. Americans are incredibly well-educated on history.
@@KissSlowlyLoveDeeply-pm2jeeven the diplomats, embarrassing.
@@KissSlowlyLoveDeeply-pm2je perhaps, very unlikely.
AM can you do the later Soviet Empire of the 60s and 70s
And 50s and 80s
And the 90s and 00s.. oh right, nevermind
This discussion was absolutely profound and these guys are all intellectual Titans.
A magnificent discussion-thanks to all.
Great series many thanks for making this. Will you do a series focused on Stalin's domestic policies, particularly on how faithful he was to communist doctrine domestically and how the economics of the soviet union worked in practice, particularly its banking system (Gosbank) and how its model may have parallels to the contemporary world with the immenent introduction of CBDCs
Great stuff, thanks to all the panelists.
In 1952 Stalin was informed by his personal physician, Dr. Vinogradov, that Stalin should reduce his workload. Stalin shortly thereafter ordered that Dr. Vinogradov be incarcerated in the cellar of the Lubyanka and placed in chains. General Rokossovsky in 1940 was incarcerated in the Lubyanka and tortured by the NKVD by smashing all of his toes with a hammer, dislodging all of his teeth, breaking four of his ribs and subjecting him to two mock executions. Yet he never admitted to being a spy for Poland.
ahistorical bullshit. Stalin tried to resign 4 times
Not even a hand of steal can break some men's spirits
What a stupid story. Stalin had already tried to resign 4 times by 1952, why would he imprison someone for telling him to reduce his workload a year before he died 💀
If the 'Stalin ran from his responsibility' story is true, it was almost certainly an Ivan IV style retreat to force the inner circle to rally to him.
I love your videos so much, thank you for sharing these conversations.
Tremendous work. Thanks, AM.
Should have bought TiK in just for Stalingrad. From the German perspective, Stalingrad was a rail hub that would have allowed the Germans to cut off the Caucuses and bring in more material from home using coal.
I wish there was more significant discussion of Stalin's actions from the Soviet Atom bomb to his death and a follow through "what if" of if Stalin lived to 1965 or so.
2:39 I also believe that Adeneaur had advocated for it as well as other German officials to distance themselves from the German Nazi and Imperial past.
2:51:38 as a condition for Austria to be unoccupied, in 1955, one of the conditions it had was that Austria had to be neutral. It also could never unite with Germany.
Wonderful stream, thank you!
Thank you for dispelling the myths. I love your channel .
Thanks for this
Would you consider Wessex emerging into England through the trials and successes of Alfred the Great and his heirs (specifically two later heirs) as a similar story to Stalin' empire, as per Marcus's point at the very end?
"Brief" and "Marcus" cannot exist in the same sentence
Bloody good show!
You know when we think in terms of Hungry, Romania, Latvia, Finland and say the initial liberation of Ukraine, the Soviet land mass starts to shrinks real fast especially if Moscow is the goal.
I have to give it to Mannerheim though. The Finn’s never moved on Leningrad during Stalin’s most darkest of hours.
I get it, the failure of Barbarossa and Typhoon probably had a lot to do with Mannerheim’s caution and Germany’s need for those resources in the south and cutting the Volga supply route. But man the fact the Finn’s never crossed into Russian territory I think says a lot about Mannerheim.
Perhaps he was thinking about 39 when Hitler had to know the Finn’s were are on Stalins menu. Or perhaps Mannerheim was just pragmatic in his thinking.
This is why I do believe the original goal and necessity of taking Moscow or at least surrounding it on three sides would send a signal to axis allies.
From what I understand Finland and Spain were the only axis allies that were able to celebrate their heroes publicly after the war.
History doesn’t credit the Finns for not moving on Leningrad. I think it’s worth mentioning.
I really appreciate the work and expertise that this channel offers.
Cheers!
The Finnish army did advance into Soviet territory in Karelia in the Continuation War of 1941-44 and occupied Petrozavodsk (temporarily renamed Aunus). While this was done by Mannerheim for military reasons to shorten the front as the army’s strength was slender at best, this placing of troops on foreign soil was seen as aggression in Finland and raised opposition there. Hitler sold Finland to the USSR in the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact of August 1939 to get a free hand with Poland, as he wanted to avoid fighting a war on two fronts. The Finns knew only that they had to defend their homeland in 1939 absolutely, else the fate of Estonia would be theirs also. Though defeated, Finland remained independent. Its subsequent involvement in Barbarossa as a co-belligerent was the outcome of being traded like cattle by German and Soviet negotiators who knew little of Finland, and misunderstood it profoundly.
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I appreciate the correction. My thinking was too focused on Leningrad. If I remember correctly the Soviets were concerned Leningrad was only 20 miles away from Finish border so they wanted the Karelian Isthmus. You know, where all the defenses were. 😂
I’ve only read 1 book on Finland and that about the winter war. Lol (just kidding it covered both)
No, you are correct! That was a big error to present the Finn’s as if they ‘never’ crossed into Soviet territory. My thinking and focus was on Leningrad and perhaps the fact they never fought alone side the Germans in other areas of the eastern front in say, army group center or army group south.
I definitely should’ve worded that differently.
Thanks again!
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All I know is lend lease,boots,ball-bearings diesel, airplane fuel,oil,spa,m,100,000 trucks,and jeeps.l............
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What 'primary' research have you sone for this? What are your qualifications? Do you read Russian?
😂you need a gold star
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I think Stalin's seizure of German speaking Pomerania and Silesia (also East Prussia) was an atrocity in and out of itself, which had been German speaking territory since the Middle Ages. In this instance, the Russians are the Greeks, while the Germans are the Ottomans. This time however, the Greeks (Russians) won out.
24:40 Rasputitsa ≠ Raputista
Imagine if D Day failed and the Red Army pushed all the way to the Atlantic.
If France stopped Germany in 35 we would all be speaking Russian.
With that being said, imagine if the final solution [nuclear holocaust] never materialized in the West and Stalin got the A-bomb first.
I do take the position one of the main motivations for dropping the A-bomb on Japan was designed to send the soviets a message. I came to that conclusion on my own and then later found out historians prior to my existence have also made such claims.
@@drbrainstein1644 If France was conquered by the USSR, Paris wouldn’t be half black.
@@thetigerking2613 are you saying the black population of Paris is a bad thing?
@@WorldEaterEater yes
@@thetigerking2613 you would have other reasons to bitch .
The poor Soviet Union only obviously just wanted rainbows and unicorns until all the evil fascists just suddenly ganged up on it for no reason at all.
Germany wanted Lebensraum and Italy was quite friendly with them before the war.
@@AM-cm2kj Finland kind of also wanted some lebensraum. Russia has much to spare, so why not? A lot did depend on one cast of a die.
What? European powers have always wanted a taste of Russian blood because it is an exeptional nation like the United States in the Americas and China in Asia. Europe should have been crushed and ruled with an Iron Fist till they learnt how to behave like actual humans
@@herptek In 1939 Finland wanted to live at peace, but was forced to defend itself after the USSR used a false flag shelling of Mainila by Soviet troops in Finnish uniforms as a pretext to invade. Having defended its independence despite losing southern Karelia, Finland decided to regain it and sought help from Germany. It did occupy eastern Karelia during 1941-44, mostly to shorten the front line as its ability to mobilise and keep in the field a substantial army was limited. This is why Mannerheim refused when asked by Germany to assist in the attack on Leningrad (St Petersburg).
@@ilokivi By south Karelia you mean the Karelian Isthmus and Ladoga karelia. In any case, all of Karelia should belong to Finland and definitely not to Russia anyway, possibly as another independent country, Even the parts that had never before been parts of Finland. Have you ever heard about greater Finland ideal or of the so called kindred nations wars, heimosodat in Finnish? Or do you just ignoring the rest of Karelia for other reasons? One of the justifications for creating a Finland with the so called three isthmus border was indeed security as that would have meant significantly shorter land border with the USSR, but the reason this was striven after by nationalists was ethnic considerarions.
After the failure to liberate Karelia during heimosodat, the idea still lived on thanks to activists dedicated to the Finnic national cause, who would gain quite significant influence in politics and in the military for example. Even Ryti kind of admitted to this in his speech at the start of the continuation war in listing the living space of our people for one of the reasons to fight for.
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Ugh the panels always ruin it ffs especial furius pertinax, almost as bad as semiogogue
Well I would have to proclaim that the best conversations are generally held by two people and the best group conversations mostly consist of three or four participants
First lol
Omg, i literally can't stop clapping.
@@gocool_2.0 or maybe the doctors killed me and it was an actual conspiracy
Genius, really
@@ajsj Who could contest it?
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One of my favorite channels as I prefer very long history vids and few good channels focus on them, you are one of these so please fix the accessibility, thanks!
(basically please make vids out of the streams I think it hurts your views but also keep the streams)
It's nothing to do with me. YT separated the videos tab into "videos" and "streams". I can only customise the Home page.
@Apostolic Majesty hello great stream again. What's your opinion on Hoffmans work 'Stalins war of extermination' ?