.40 S&W VS .357 Magnum Ballistic Test - Gold Dot
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- čas přidán 8. 07. 2021
- The .40 S&W is Speer Gold Dot 165 gr and the .357 Magnum is Underwood Gold Dot 125 gr. I am doing a ballistic test with 10% Clear Ballistics with 1/4" MDF and a chronograph/50 yard accuracy test. Always appreciative of any channel help :) www.patreon.com/user?u=5828221
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Standardized on .40 S&W ten years ago; nothing has come along yet to make me change that.
I always shot .40 better than 9mm or .45, maybe because that's what I first got into shooting in my former 10 round communist state. Still can't get myself to phase out the cartridge
Amen
.40 S&W is alive and well. The .357 is always awesome. I like them both.
Amen! My favorite two handgun rounds.
I’m so glad you finally add the 40 to your videos.
That 125gr UW does 1530fps out of my 3" SP101! Stout!
Great episode; thanks!
Great comparison Sam on two hard hitting rounds, thanks.
Thank you.
I carry handloaded 165 Gold Dots in my 40, and have always relied on the 155 or 165 grain weight in that cartridge, regardless of bullet design. I am a huge fan of the 357, but the 40 S&W is a common auto-pistol cartridge that fits in a 9mm-size frame and keeps up with it for defensive duty, while maintaining advantages in capacity and muzzle flash. That being said, the 357 is WAY more versatile, especially if target shooting or hunting is on the menu.
You really do a good job of making comparisons of the different rounds. Thanks.
Thank you.
Carried a Sig P226 on duty for several years loaded with 180 grn Gold Dots which worked well. The 125 grn 357 has always been a good stopper. If a bad guy is hopped up on something they can take a lot of pistol rounds regardless of caliber. Nice video!
The 40 is not dead in my home. And the 357 is doing just fine in my home as well. Keep them test going.
I actually prefer the 9mm for no other reason than no matter what I do, I can't jam it.
Great test as always, as i suspected hot .40sw can keep up pretty well with 357 mag full loads ... in handguns barrels ...
Definitely, 40 sw is a downloaded easier to handle 10 mm basically. 40 sw was created to get 10 mm ballistics but easier to handle, fits in 9 mm size gun frames. capacity near 9 mm. 40 sw can even go up to 200 grain hard cast with 440 foot pounds at 1000 fps, or 200 grain subsonic 400 foot pounds at 950 fps for suppressors and limit over penetration, rivaling 200 grain 45 acp +p rounds. The 40 sw is the second cheapest after the 9mm and second widely available after 9mm. Capacity second highest after 9mm. Also, it makes bigger holes much deeper than the 45 acp. Ballistically it out perforems 9 mm and 45 acp, and reaches low end 10 mm and 357 mag but easier to handle and can even go heavy subsonic like 45 acp. Incredibly versatile. 40 sw is the most balanced ammo type to ever exist.
Great test! I love these two calibers. They are consistent top performers. You are well armed with either one.
Thanks!
Thanks for the comparison, Sam. I'm using Speer Gold Dot rounds in my .357 Magnum and my .40 S&W. My local PD still carries .40 S&W.
The 40 is an excellent choice for defensive use, especially when using good 165gr loads
Great video like usual! Really love your ballistic jell, fiber board, jell test. Very indicative of actual performance!
Thanks.
As always well put together video. I do like that when comparing calibers you pick the best bullet weight for each caliber. Excellent shooting at 50 yards especially for how fast you shoot you have excellent trigger discipline. I love the look of that 40 also I've been on the look out for one just like it after seeing yours. Thanks for making learning fun
Thanks. Sometimes I will also use less than ideal, just depends on what I can acquire.
Another great comparison. As always a great job👍🏼
Thanks!
TY 4 ur fine work so appreciated info !
Great video as usual! The p.s.a. on performance is very good! Thanks for the update and work.
Thanks!
Hopefully u will start a 40 S&W renaissance. I never left it. My P229 is in honorable semi retirement now, but it still gets occasional exercise. As does my 686, the gun i started my career with. My primary ho uh se gun for years has been my XD 40, because it is accurate and i found a good light that adds very little bulk. The 357 is a go to for hiking and outdoor activities, especially if animal defense is a concern. Depending on the situation, i might prefer a 158 gr bullet for it. But for general defense, the 125 is tops of course. Gold Dots are great bullets in everything 380 and up. We used 180 gr in the 40 for many years at the PD where i worked. They did fine on injured deer. Thankfully we never had an OIS. I half expect the pendulum to swing back toward the 40 and 45. Time will tell
40 sw is a downloaded easier to handle 10 mm basically. 40 sw was created to get 10 mm ballistics but easier to handle, fits in 9 mm size gun frames. capacity near 9 mm. 40 sw can even go up to 200 grain hard cast with 440 foot pounds at 1000 fps, or 200 grain subsonic 400 foot pounds at 950 fps for suppressors and limit over penetration, rivaling 200 grain 45 acp +p rounds. The 40 sw is the second cheapest after the 9mm and second widely available after 9mm. Capacity second highest after 9mm. Also, it makes bigger holes much deeper than the 45 acp. Ballistically it out perforems 9 mm and 45 acp, and reaches low end 10 mm and 357 mag but easier to handle and can even go heavy subsonic like 45 acp. Incredibly versatile. 40 sw is the most balanced ammo type to ever exist.
Always a good video. Thanks for putting the work. Take care.
Thanks!
I bought about 10 boxes of the Underwood #121 .357 Magnum a couple of months ago. I’m using it in my 2.5” and 3” 686+ revolvers, and it’s fairly stout. Stout rounds are my preference for shooting those two revolvers, so it’s an all around win. Thanks for sharing this data. 👍👍👍👍🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
With the particular rounds tested I would give the energy to the .357 mag and the expansion to the .40-both being pretty good.
Both effective calibers. Good comparison.
Thank you
I appreciate the fact you are using defensive rounds.
Great content again, as usual! .357 is just plain nasty, as proven over and over in testing and irl. Always my edc and I am not changing that any time soon, not until there is another round like the .357 magnum to come out. Great stuff, Sam!
Thank you
The .357 SIG came very close , at least in 125 vs 125 , as was its design criteria .
the 357 sig while not as versatile as 357 magnum it does beat out the 125 grain 357 magnum for self defense because of the mere fact that you are getting 125 grain 357 magnum power in a semi-auto. 357 sig as a carry for self defense (2 legged predators) is superior to 357 mag carry. 125 grain is enough for 2 legged predator self defense. Of course if you plan on hunting the 180 grain 357 mag is superior.
Great video...the .357 mag was going to win from the beginning, it’s a magnum... the .40s/w is no joke and hold it’s weight as well. People don’t realize that the 40 was tweaked to better performance just like the 9mm... some 40s are right there with .357sig ... the 40s/w is still VERY popular, it ruled the market for darn near 30 years... all those guns DIDN’T just disappear the past 4 years, people still own and shoot them. They do perform way better than the 9mm as you stated in the end, the numbers don’t lie
Well there are millions of guns out there , in now almost exclusively civilian hands , and will be for a long time .
But sales of NEW pistols in .40 S&W has essentially stopped for Agency sales , and a comparitive trickle to the public . ( But for a while longer a flood of LE Trade ins at bargin prices .)
Not saying the trend is logical or justified , but that's what's actually happening .
@@filianablanxart8305 I know, 9’s and 380’s are pushed HEAVY here in sales with little or no 40’s in the display cases... in the other hand... most (shots fired) sites recover way more spent 40 cases than 9s... I’m really curious about the .357sig future
@@wemcal Must be a Regional thing . In my part of the country , .40 is uncommon among the criminal elements . Of late model " serious " calibers , mismatched corroded 9mn predominate . Plus the usual miscellaneous pocket guns . Plus a lot of older stolen guns , both embarrassing junk and previously nice collectables , before exposed to the harsh life and no cleaning or maintenance on the streets .
Man that 357 was snaking the shit out of that steel
Thank you for this video. I have both calibers and am currently trying to decide what the better trail carry would be. I first thought for sure my 357, 7 shot revolver but am now thinking ill go 40 s&w hardcast buffalo bore rounds. I can carry 15 plus one as opposed to only 7. 8 more rounds in a life or death situation is everything. Now I'm confident the 40 will perform out there as well as the 357.
I like your approach at testing.
Thanks
I like your revolver, you are a much better shot than I am, really like the bullet capture and viewing
So 165@1148 and 125@1480……..yes so I’ll still side with the .40 S&W. It’s a un-song hero which absolutely thumps. Great video as always
Thanks
It’s really a shame that the 40 has lost the shine it had a few years ago. The FBI givith and the FBI taketh away. Its ballistics from a concealable auto pistol are hard to improve on. Overall, it may be the best self defense cartridge available.
Correct
In both instances , illustrates the massive Commercial Value of FBI Pronouncements on both LE and Civilian marketplaces .
yep, best efficiency out of shorter barrels. You don't get enough time in the pipe for 9mm to really get going out of the 3 inch barrels
Fuq the fbi they don't know nothin they can't make up their minds
All statements are correct. The FBI should be trusted by no one! Another corrupt partisan, weaponized agency that is paid for by our tax dollars.
.357 hitting that plate hard at 50yrd!
Great testing Sam! Never disqualify the .40cal because the FBI says so. It's still a viable round and will deliver the goods if shot(s) are placed correctly. Shoot what works best for you.
"Be a multi caliber shooter" for best overall performance - Honest Outlaw. ♠️🎩☯️
The FBI could have truthfully proclaimed that current 9mm was more than adaquate for LE duty use , plus had other advantages for a general issue Duty gun , such as to on balance be an excellent option .
But to claim that latest Magic Bullets in 9mm are outright better performers than ( .357 M or S , .40 , 10 , .45 , etc ) is p** on our legs , telling us it's raining .
Perfect. I was looking for 357 v.s. 38-40. Since 40S&W is just 38-40 for autoloaders this was an ideal test.
My two carry chamberings are .357 Magnum and .40 S&W. Ruger SP101, 3" for the revolver and a couple of Sig Sauer .40s for the rare times I choose to carry a semi-auto.
Keep up the good work bud 👌🏼
Great video! I like my 6" GP100 and my 5" M&P 40 (just like yours). Also, Gold Dots rock.
If I had to pick one to defend against unknown attackers, it's going to be the 15+1 round .40 S&W. At full, standard pressure power, the .40 does better than most factory loads. I get 567 ft/lb with no sweat using normal Alliant Power Pistol load data. Longshot powder got a bit more velocity but did not group as well for me.
OTOH, if I wanted to shoot at 100 yards, I'd pick the GP100. And for leisurely range shooting, it is sure nice to not have to chase brass.
Powerwise, I'd call it a wash. Situations where sectional density come into play, the .357 is preferable. Deer hunting for instance.
Reloading another batch of once fired .357 brass right now, while Rocking with Sam's Videos!!...
Great video! Manufacturers of autos have been trying to replicate the ballistic performance of the .357 since its inception. Many have come closer in recent years, none have achieved
Great shooting at 50 yards. If I tried that, I would probably hit that vehicle while doing my best to hit the target. I like the versatility of 357mag/38spl. Easy reloading, low cost, hunting, self defense, target practice.
Thanks
@cloverleafsippa713 , I agree. Those rounds are excellent for self defense.
YES SIR 38/357 is the most Versatile round you can get right after 9mm which basically means ANY PLACE that sells ammunition is going to have at least I self protection load for 9mm,38spl,&357mag. That's a big plus to me..
@@zzxxooooxxzz4964 Common availability is not exactly the same thing as * versatile * .
.357 revolvers can use the full spectrum of standard .38 spl , +P , +P+ , midrange .357, full power .357 . Bullet weights from 95 to 180 gr , and from very deep non- expanding to arguably too shallow penetration .
Well Done !!! Capacity is also an important consideration !
Quality video as always.
Thank you
I can personally attest as well the 40 S&W is a fight stopper, my agency I used to work for had us carry them In Speer Gold Dot 180 grain out of a Glock 22. 357 Sig is also a really good show stopper. 40 S&W is better in my experience over 9mm. Modern loading have not only improved just 9mm.
My agency’s 9mm Federal 147gr HSTs are incredible fight stoppers. Las Vegas Metro PD doesn’t see any “better” results from a .40 when comparing it to their 9mm Gold Dots. NYPD doesn’t see any “better” results from a .40 when compared to their 9mm Gold Dots. Both LAPD and LASD don’t see any “better” results coming from a .40 that would trump a 9mm in actual officer involved shootings on the street. I personally (paid gun stat nerd) don’t see any “better” results from our authorized 230gr .45 HST’s when compared to our authorized 9mm HST’s in actual street shootings. This is coming from a 10,000+ sworn personnel department.
Bottom line is, neither 40 nor 45 is any better nor any worse than 9mm these days in actual street shootings. Shot placement is key because when I put two in the proverbial “bad guy’s” heart and one in his head with my 9mm, is it really gonna make any difference to the bad guy what caliber I was using???
The big difference between those three “KINGS” of the policing calibers is capacity. Here is where 9mm shines and beats 40 and 45 and that is the ability to not only carry more rounds, but to SHOOT more rounds at a bad guy without having to reload sooner than the other calibers. That alone can be a winning factor to surviving a gunfight when every split second counts.
Watch why “more” may be not on,y better, but necessary. From Donut Operator….
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@@colt10mmsecurity68 your 2 to heart and one to the head is great as long as the 2 reach the heart. I have seen actual x rays of bad guys that look like he should be dead but the bullet never reached the heart. There are Times when a heavy bullet with momentum is required
For police and other such agencies the 9mm might be the right tool how ever for home defense the blast of a 9mm or worse the 357 could end up being a show stopper for you if your first shot do not connect.
@@biggunshandguns3687 You make no sense.
From particular medium sized PD with which I am very familiar , and from which knowing the guys doing the testing and recommendations for duty ammo ;
The initial .40 S&W ammo selection was the USBP Spec 155gr JHP . In the couple of OIS occasions it worked decisively . In addition , Lots of injured and healthy deer were put down . Federal LE 132 buckshot was preferred for deer when available , but the 155 jhp was more than adaquate .
For the final year or two of the .40 S&W Era , switched to the then latest W-W alphabet soup . It was explained to me that in testing , the actual anti personnel capabilities were identical , but the wonder bullet of the week did better on penetration of car windshields .
Maybe try the 135g and 155g 40cal next to the 357mag 125g would be interesting.
I'm always very confident in gold dot hollow-points.
Yep these and HST's are my go to in pretty much everything.
I carry 40 all the time, but I do miss my 357, thinking about picking up a Ruger gp100, one of these days, like this video
I love the .40. Have a G23 and a G27 and I do not see ever replacing them as my every day weapon of choice.
Both are very viable personal protection offerings. Thank you.
Two of my favorite self defense calibers ..
The 40 S&W 180gr Gold dot is my “ Go to”
I carry a 27 or a Charter Arms 40s&W Pitbull quite often …
I used to hunt White Tail with a Rossi 92 Levergun in 357 .. I used Underwood 158gr Gold Dot .. absolutely was A1 …
I carry Hornady 125gr FTX in my LCR357 & Charter Arms Professional 3 inch barrel ..
I think the 357mag is similar to the 10mm when the 10mm is loaded to its full potential
My take from this video.. the 40 S&W seemed to do as well , in the Gel tests .. with less muss and fuss … its a great SD round
Every time I watch one of your tests Im reminded how well rounded a 357 Mag is for energy, velocity, and penetration for the recoil
I'm a 357 Magnum guy.
I think I want a 40 now.
Nah . If you are comfortable with full power .357 , you will probably be comfortable with 10mn or .45 Super .
Slightly tongue in cheek ( with measure of truth behind it ) , one of the criteria for .40 was less recoil for non- dedicated shooters who would have trouble handling the recoil of .45acp . ( Trust me , in the late '80s that was a significant selling point .
@@filianablanxart8305 I'm also a 1911 guy, in 45acp
You continue to call the penetration pretty close. Early on when shooting the steel target, I was thinking you should get the sight on the 40 S&W drifted over so that the windage is dead on. You hit more often than not at 50 yards when the sights are on. That's pretty good.
People say 40 is stopping I think not there just slowing down production because it's not in really high demand but it will never go away both 357 and 40 are excellent and great video as always Sam always a joy ta sit down relax clean my guns and watch your videos stay safe bud
Yeah, I put off getting a .40 for awhile, then people started saying it's going away. I got one anyways because the ballistics are really good, and knowing that I know it's not going away. It's decent, sort of how just because .357 Mag got big .38 never went away, same with 10mm/.40
@@GunSam exactly my guy and untill this day I still love me a good ole 38 spcl just have to be smart with our ammo choices and buy what we can and when we can but yea man I also did some reading and they did say for sure it's going to be around just slowed down a bit till they catch up on the other stuff like 9mm good thing tho well at least out here in Texas everyone is after 9mm so it's kind of scarce but shelves are plentiful with 40 s&w
Good stuff as usual. Either one of these would certainly get the job done just fine. Interesting that those Underwoods being rated @1700 were nearly 150ft/s slower than Buffalo bore's 125gr. I figured they'd be pretty close.
Thanks!
Underwood's revolver velocity ratings are out of a 6" barrel. Buffalo Bore I think is a 4" barrel for .357 and a 2" barrel for "short barrel" rounds. Judging from the fireballs I've gotten out of firing their 125 grain 1700 fps bonded hp's out of a 4" Model 66-1, there's no way it's going to reach advertised velocity out of a 4" barrel. I love Underwood ammo, but Buffalo Bore is much better at telling you what to reasonably expect with their rounds with certain barrel lengths. I fired the 1700s out of a 6" 686-1, as well, with no fireballs, so that pretty much satisfies me that they are giving out 6" barrel velocities. I have about 120 rounds of that stuff, but I won't carry with it.
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Thank you. That is weird. I don't know what would cause that.
I believe you have the hotter loaded 165 gold dot
Likewise the Underwood .357 is faster than mainstream 125 .357 .
PS. To 9mm fan boys; shhh 🤫 adults are taking now! 😆🤣
I like both of those but have neither sadly lol! looks like that 357 was hitting that steel a lot harder and faster for sure!
Thanks for the video. Would like to see 357 sig vs these two
I don't doubt the performance of the 40, and use it as my HD gun, but i noticed when times get tough the 40 ammo was the first to run out of stock and the last to return to the shelves. That's why i have mostly 9mils.
Thats my grouping at 15 yds. Good shooting
Hi Sam, on paper these two rounds have a quite different energy, however, as you say, performance in gel is comparable. Where does the energy difference end up, id they make more or less the same hole?
I dont have issue with the board but bones are nearly one third water and may offer less resistance,it does seem a good medium to plug and stress the bullet some,give it a much harder test than gel alone.
Good stuff
357 all day......let's watch a video
Hey Sam, is there any way you could do a review on the Winchester 155gr silver tip 40s&w ammo compared to the 9mm 115gr version?
i have always known .40s&w to be comparable to .357mag, i love it as a pistol caliber, had a walther ppq .40 i had to sell and miss dearly.
you get the the weight of a .45 (in 180gr), with the speed of a 9x19
.40 is a great round
Not sure about the rest of y'all but I don't carry for that 3 to 7 yard confrontation. Those are called fist fights. If the other guy has a gun drawn that's called diplomacy. Now as far as the mass shooter situation goes. That is why I carry and I do practice at 25 yards and beyond.
Wham bam .......thank you Sam ....
She said that once
Nice video both have great stopping potential
Thanks
@@GunSam thank you
Many Thanks
Thanks, and thanks!
Power house calibers I love both!
Nothing tucks away in the waist, belly and hip area like a revolver.
When you shoot it with the magnum rounds. The front of the block lifts so much it’s changing the trajectory to end up heading downwards towards the table…
But if you play back the more centered shot in the gel at super slow speed, the bullet is as far as it's going to go for penetration, before the block starts to lift.
.357 fan for life!
Same here. Some are fun like .44, but .357 is where it's really at.
very cool i think both would do well against most threats that underwood is no joke
4400 fps... what's the energy foot pounds on that?
Shooting the new Nov x. Rounds in my old Remington 380. Like to see those tested.
What product number is the 40 cal gold dot? There’s 2 one underpowered and one full power
I don't know. I just know it's the 165 gr, standard. (Not short barrel).
Guns are like purses or shoes. I have a 9, 40 and 357 but want a 10mm now. I feel better now seeing that both of these calibers will pass through my narrow ass before having time to expand. 🥴
Now that's funny!
Short concealment length please
I doubt it will work but you should try a 9mm +p out of a carbine vs 357 mag out of a pistol
I can see the appeal especially a compact 40 Smith if u CCW. In the lower 48 national parks USA as long as the ccw piece is not showing its okay to carry in the park. A compact 40 with even ten capacity can perform adequate double duty on two legged & some four legged varmints. The American compromise.
Certainly the 357 is adequate protection, but try to find a 357 that can be easily hidden in the summer months with less outer clothing. It's harder and snub nosed is at a disadvantage velocity wise.
Love those 125 grain Gold Dots, but it looks like Underwood needs to tighten up their QC. An extreme spread of 133 in only 4 good reads is downright ugly.
Sam your groups at 50 with the 40 were awesome the heavier bullets in 40 are known for there flat trajectory at ranges under 100 yards.
Thank you. I shot a different .40 today and couldn't hit anything!
Best two carry calibers for self defense
How comparable in your testing protocol are .357 magnum and .357 sig? I’m aware the sig round was created to mimic the classic, but how well does it do so? I’d love to see that test…
From what I understand it's close. Like .357 Sig might get you 1,450 FPS in a 5" pistol, and a standard .357 Mag about 1,450 FPS in a 4" with 125 gr. Two big differences though; the .357 Mag can be loaded up to 1,700 FPS in a 4" as where the .357 Sig is maxed out, and two the classic Magnum round was semi jacketed, so the .357 Sig can never really be that particular magnum.
@@GunSam that is my understanding as well. I do wonder however if any attempt has been made to sling heavier bullets in the sig round and how they compare even at the 125 gr weight…
@@GunSam
Great video. Tnoutdoors9 was getting over 1500 fps with the Underwood Gold Dots out of a 4” barrel. Also, I would imagine that the hollow point is probably not as wide in the Sig for feeding reasons. That would be a great test…357 vs a hot rod 9 (357 Sig)…hint, hint 😉. Thanks for posting.
I'm not sure if this still applies as it was years ago when I was seriously looking at the 357 Sig. That as long as it was out of a 5 inch barrel it performed as designed but performance dropped significantly as the barrel length shortend
@@biggunshandguns3687
It was designed to mimic the 357 mag from a service revolver with a 4” barrel. It can do that, however it will never be able to compete with full power magnum loads due to case capacity but it will always beat the 9mm in terms of velocity and energy. I’d still like to see some side by side comparisons with 4” barrels and 125 grain bullets loaded by Underwood.
Ty
Are we certain that 4000+ f/s one was a mistake and not the manifestation of the Holy Magnum Spirit?
40 is the correct answer vs human sized questions
If S/W has a 357sig barrel for the 40 you can test the 357s 👍😁 and nice shooting.
I tried contacting KKM as they offer a .357 Sig 5", I asked if it works in the .40 pistol and they never responded.
Gun Sam _Revolver Aficionado_ did you check with S/W but it probably cost more. My son has the Sig229 in 40 and he got the sig barrel for it and it great.
I have a feeling that with the heavier bullet the 40 was starting to get closer together energy wise to the 357.
Damn, that 357 Magnum is insane badass! I wonder if it can kill a Grizzly Bear?
Good information. If I were you I’d take my calipers to that .40 and see if your sights are installed on center. If not get them centered so you can fix the sighting issue. That would frustrate me to death.
It appears it is frustrating you
@@biggunshandguns3687 no. It would if I were shooting it and missing because of improper factory sight ailment.
I tried and tried to drift them, so idk lol.
Standard store-bought ammo will give you an average of about 420 fps faster with the 357 vs the 40, which means you can reach out further and do so with more accuracy than the 40. Also the 357 averages about 150 ft pounds of more energy vs the 40.
Even the fastest loads done with reloaders, they were able to get about 4,800 fps using a 15-grain 40 cal, but they got over 6,000 fps with a 40-grain 357. But those loads are not available in stores, these were made by reloaders as I mentioned.
Some people argue they want 14 rounds for self-defense, well since most self-defense shootings are at the 7-yard range with one attacker, why do you need 14 rounds? Where are all of those 14 rounds going? into innocent people?
I wanted to see that comparison. I didn’t think the 40 could perform that close to 357 mag. I prefer shooting a 40 over 9mm. My Dad carried 357 as a deputy sheriff.liked it because it can shoot more accurate at long distance. .
I know I'm late, phone wasn't working. A retired police officer did a 10 year survey for one shot and drop. He looked at hospital, and morgue data. His name is Ellifrits and he came up with some interesting numbers. The 357 did best with 1.75 shot's to stop an attacker. Surprisingly the 38 was second at 1.87, 45acp 2.05, and 9mm was 2.45 shot's. He didn't have enough data on the 44mag since Dirty Harry retired. He also didn't have enough data on the 40, 10mm. At the end of the video it said if you want a one shot and stop use a 454 cassul. That's what I pocket carry. ( Lol )
I have heard of him and seen the story. What's hilarious is Greg Ellifritz , or however you spell it actually wrote a story on .22 Mag and posted one of MY videos. Pretty flattering.
@@GunSam WOW that's awsome! You are the man!
That 40 is no joke
Experience has made me like 135 grain bullet loads in .40 S&W.