AMD's R5 Mistake: Ryzen 5 7600X CPU Review, Benchmarks, & Expensive Motherboards
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The AMD Ryzen 5 7600X (R5 7600X) CPU has some serious value problems, with the total platform cost of an X670 board, the CPU itself, DDR5, and the higher-end cooler ballooning the entry point to DIY PC building. Until the B650 motherboards come out -- which is in October sometime -- the X670 and X670E boards make R5 7600X builds completely untenable from a value perspective. It's disappointing too, as the R5 CPUs have been a strong foothold for AMD Ryzen CPUs against Intel for about 4 years now. AMD has finally lost that, with Intel chipping away more and more at the low-end and mid-range while AMD focuses on the high-cost parts.
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Cringe af_
so what i need now is a video that says if you own a this is the CPU that you should pair with it.... Please make that video!
@Gamers Nexus... so if you're not getting motherboard pricing ahead of time... then it's not just NVIDIA holding back pricing from EVGA.... can we get a "GamersNexus cuts ties with AMD" video for Aprils Fools?
This is the most numerically intensive 26 minutes on CZcams.
The PPW / Performance per Watt @12:59 should be measured in kSt (kiloSteves) which would give us something new to hotly debate.
can you ask Asrock to fix their website please
With the behavior of these new 7000 series CPUs, I'd love to see a video where you try out a bunch of different coolers, all the way down to a stock cooler or 120mm AIO, just to see how much better cooling boosts performance.
I cant wait to see the 'Can I use my old Hyper 212 with a 7600x?' question in PC Builder forums!
Better yet, will be the people that say Yes because the 7600x has a 105w TDP
I'd like them to test limiting the TDP to save on the cooler and PSU. Since AMD pushed these things stupid far on the Watt/Performance curve to compete better with Intel.
I heard it's only a 5% performance drop if you turn on ECO mode.
@@m8x425 You can probably run a 7600x with a hyper 212 (assuming physical compatibility) just fine you would only need to enable Eco mode which will reduce power consumption. With the 7950x it is only 5% slower with 142W (62%) so assuming a similar story for the 7600x you could temporarily handicap your CPU until you can get an adequate cooler.
Der Bauer direct die cooled a 7950x. Temps dropped to under 70C
Der8auer allready made something like that, kinda. He didnt Test different Cooler but he testet how the CPU reacts to lowering Temps. I dont remember 100% but i think that every 20 Degree will get you about 100 more Hz.
I dont think it would be a major differenz between a Standard Cooler, a really good Aircooler and a Watercooler. But i agree that a Test would be cool and still nice to actually see the Difference.
5:55 I can't believe you would round that 542.7 fps to 543 fps! That .3 fps makes a HUGE difference, in fact I would call it the line between playable and unplayable. Unbelievable for a reviewer of your caliber!
hahaha
@@GamersNexus "hahaha"? Instead of a proper statement towards this, an appropriate reply, asking for forgiveness, you reply with "hahaha"!?
Man, I was thinking there was a wee bit of hope in this community, but no, stuff like this... Argh, it's hitting me on my worst spots
Cancel gn???? Anti consumer? 😂
@@Meyus_ seriously this is unacceptable 😒
Clearly an AMD shill!
I like that you remind people there's no real need to run out and buy the latest thing. You clearly really do care about your audience. Good job.
Besides, it's way more satisfying to ride out your old rig as far as it will take you, and then blow all your money at once on a big upgrade after several years.
@@Judgement_Kazzy That's the way i like to do it,i feel like some people upgrade just to upgrade,not even playing games or doing anything meaningful with their pc,while i on the other hand use it on every day basis,like he said in the video it makes sense to upgrade only if you are not satisfied with your current pc,and only way you wouldn't be satisfied is that pc is not performing well playing games,editing videos whatever you do it doesn't matter.
TLDR people are just stuck in an upgrade cycle and never actually do anything on their pc,besides waiting for next cpu,gpu.
I'm happy with my Ryzen 5600x, and see no reason to upgrade.
Amen. This is the 3rd time since getting what was a middling rig in 2016 that I reconsider whether it's time to upgrade. Somehow, that 6-year-old tech still keeps up with most games at 1080p VRR. And nothing else I do with the PC (which is a lot) needs a performance boost at all.
I honestly want to since I'm to curious and it's to interesting. But I'll keep my 12th gen i3 for a long time since it's as fast as a 5600x anyways and thats plenty of power(especially on just 4c8t) for 144hz gaming. Sadly I do kinda need a new GPU but not sure if I should I bought a 6700xt which is great for 2k gaming but not so much on 4k but it still gets about 30fps in games like fh5 with max 4k and rtx, I kinda want better but I also know it's not like a necessity, honestly if AMD releases a good GPU for around 500bucks I may or may not get it.
But I also don't play that many AAA games, but the ones I do play kinda need a better GPU for 4k.
(Edit it's obviously over clocked)
And I also noticed the cheapest entry into am5 would cost 700 euros here, and the r5 would also still be worse for gaming unless ryzen 7000 gains a lot from oc(I know ryzen 5000 did not).
I would love a revisit of this chip and the 7700x with the price drop and the motherboard price reduction. Thanks for the great information!
Yeah I'm looking at getting a 7600x now in a cheap gaming build
Same I actually just got the 7600x for $1 cheaper than the non x
Whoa did not expect the second video so fast! You guys really worked overtime for this.
Thought the same thing
I expected it. Launch day brings a lot of views, but with exponensial decay. Getting a review up as fast as possible is basically required.
Lol what? They’ve probably had them for weeks?
@@MrReadySetDance in case you didn't see the first video, they reran all tests for all cpus GN is now benchmarking on Windows 11. So now multiply the number of cpus they've tested by the number of tests and voila you're looking at 100+ tests. Add test bench build times, logistic delays, editing time, script writing and presentation, and suddenly even "weeks" doesn't seem that much time.
Learn to appreciate, mate.
Money talks
Props for the frequent reminders to keep using the existing setup and save money. Shows that you folks care about your viewers by giving them these reality checks to not buy into the hype.
Hell yeah! I'm still on my Ryzen gen 1 system! I figure I can get another 12-18 months out of it still before I run into compatibility issues.
@@Ozhull 5800x3d will match most of 7600x while being cooler and 30$ cooler is more than enough...
@@Ozhull True. I have a 3900x & it seems like by the time it's not adequate enough, I'll probably upgrade to something entirely new which will mostly likely be twice as fast.!
Agreed, people really shouldn’t need to upgrade their CPU every generation unless it was some kind of work related situation and even then that might be a stretch at to “need” vs want.
Indeed. Good to see Jesus didn't give in to amd rabid fanboys
Thanks for including FFXIV into your CPU testing suite! It felt like benchmarking MMOs in general had became less popular over the past years making it difficult for me to decide between CPUs for the types of games I play. Of course it will still vary game to game, but this is a warm welcome.
... You're not going to have trouble running ff14 or any other mmo on modern hardware. There really is no point.
@@beezusHrist That sounds like someone who hasn't actually played the game. The main cities are surprisingly CPU-bound, it's hard to get over 60 fps even with some quite high end hardware there. Sadly it's impossible to reliably benchmark, but it's not a cakewalk by far.
@@PAcifisti you would be suprised how unimportant cpu is modern games... There is literally no reason to own new amd or Intel CPU if you just play games. I5 even few fens old is more then enough for any game especially MMO. Big citicies lagging in FF is result of many things and no CPU may change that as it's game engine that struggles not your hardware.
@@wykydytron You clearly haven't played many MMO's. They're notoriously for often being CPU-bound due to combination of poor optimization, hundreds of player characters on screen and big cities being combined. FFXIV is one of them. Yes, when you're in a dungeon or a boss fight you'll be GPU bound in most instances, but a large city is a purely CPU bound experience unless you're playing in 4K with anything lower than 2080 TI.
Saying that a better CPU doesn't improve it is just false. Even if it's bottlenecked by only utilizing a few cores, a higher end CPU still makes the experience a lot better. My laptop's 9300H struggles to break 30-40 FPS in Limsa where as my desktop's OC'd 8600K can reach up to 50-55 in the same place. The new CPU's with IPC gains should do even better in these environments.
@@PAcifisti My 1600 with a 1070ti gets easy 60+ FPS in Limsa and other places at highest details, so i think nearly every new CPU should be good enough
It would be interesting to see a frequency locked (~4.0Ghz) to show the differences between architectures and generational IPC improvements.
Man, am I glad I built a Ryzen 7 5700x system few months ago. CPU was $270, mobo Gigabyte B550 Aorus Pro $140, 32gb RAM $110. More than fast enough for years to come.
what's your gpu?
@@xilllllix if you build amd, you add a RX 5000. 6000 or 7000 to it, cause you unlock way more potential that otherwise is locked and left out of tests because its a single party function. you achieve later bottlenecks with a amd gpu, and you unlock more potential if you can unlock Smart access memory on the videocard.
I jumped from my 2700x to a 5700x, same B450F mobo I started with years ago and I can't see the need for more yet with what I do. If you are a high end workstation guy, sure it's worth the upgrade, but for regular gaming there is no need to spend $1-2k on a cpu/mobo/ram jump
ah.. you missed an opportunity to pay 3x more for those at no performance gain.
Same here, 5800x after it went on sale and the same b450 board. Going to ride this rig into the sunset
Those boards are insane. There should be small boards for like 150$.
Gotta wait another month for B650
There should be some with B650 in October, hopefully!
@@GamersNexus im worried those 125 dollar boards AMD promised are going to be so completely barebones that it is the equivalent of a 50 dollar motherboard a few years ago. To get a motherboard with any real features is going to be like 200 dollars minimum.
@@jsteezus Bye byee PC building then. Fuck them, it was inefficient and we already hit the limits of Silicon anyways. Next instead of FinFETs we will have 20-30% (at most) improvements with GaaFET and stacks of nanowires.
SoC's are gonna kick them in the ballz. 💪💪 People who invested in PCs will be left with stupid trashcans with little to no use except heating in winter.
AMD said their cheapest boards (B650) will still be an insane $125+
I really appreciate the brutal honesty and deep dives of these reviews you guys are great
Thanks for the review. Helps a lot, with along other reviews, to figure out the timing for upgrade. Going to upgrade from i7-2600K so the upgrade is warranted. However I can wait till B650 launches and comparative charts with Raptor lake will solidify the choice. Having to upgrade everything anyway does present the case for less focus for pricing of the motherboard and RAM but I still do prefer to optimize even that bit. Now I do hope that the upcoming GPU launches will press down the prices of previous gen as well.
kinda scary to hear that mobos are beyond 300 and are lacking a ton of "features".
Now I don't know what features I should expect for 300+, but for sure I'd expect quite a lot for something thats more expensive than the CPU.
I remember seeing decent b450s for like 70 bucks, I get that expecting that now its a little absurd but maybe one for 100-120 bucks even if they just work well with the R5
I've bought a Asrock X570 Taichi at release for about 330€ with tax, I'd say you can expect similar features from other boards at this price point.
I imagine it's like the taichi motherboards in the past, but with half the features they used to provide.
@@Donnerwamp those features for $700 probably. I'd imagine that it has half that feature set for $300. That's just the way I interpret this.
You could just look at the specs for the different board classes
Appreciate the inclusion of Ryzen 1700 in these benchmarks, as someone still running a Ryzen 1600 and wondering whether this time round I'll finally upgrade
same haha, it's been a minute for us early Zen adopters!
Really no need if you are using a 60/75hz monitor.
@@sulev111 such Monitors still exist ? 😃
@@theplayerofus319 yeah, still using one
I'm also still running a 1600 and an RTX 2080 Super @5120x1440, no reason to upgrade the CPU in sight!
Granted, I don't get 240Hz, but that's more on the GPU.
That bleeding edge premium is always pretty hard to swallow. The 7600 will probably make more sense when B650 releases and we see a round of price drops for the processors and memory. Revisiting the Zen 4 range on more affordable platform hardware would be a useful follow up.
Love the efficiency calculation, good job
The x670 board prices are insane. I thought Z690 last year was bad but compared to this it looks like a bargain, and those were helped quite a bit with DDR4 options.
@Jacob Schultz wrong
@Jacob Schultz insanely wrong
They are too expensive. Greedy as usual, they can sell them at a lower price easily. As I say greed is like cancer except there will never be a cure it spreads all over.
I remember back in Sandy Bridge times getting a ROG Maximus IV board for “in the 300s” and being slightly miffed about how much it cost (I needed the extra pcie lanes). That being the price for a midrange board now is just nuts.
Last time I check inflation since then wasn’t 100% and somehow I have trouble believing the costs for components has doubled.
@Jacob Schultz couldnt be more wrong
Regarding power draw, it would be interesting to do some eco mode testing at 65 and 105W power limits. From what I understand doing that gives you most of the performance without the power consumption. At that power target, they end up more efficient than the 5000 series.
Yeah that seems to be the case. Alternatively just set your max cooler RPM at whatever you like and allow the CPU to stop itself at 95C. Although the trick with that is if it's "throttling" you could get stuttery performance.
I see what AMD was going for but it made it really messy to determine whether you're thermal throttling or not.
ECO Mode is insane. Less than 50% power with a performance decrease of -10%. IDK why AMD pushed the chips so much. Maybe they saw that people appealed more towards the Intel branding of performance without regard for power, so they went that way too. The Ryzen 7000 is crazy efficient at lower wattage.
7950X at 65W beats 5950X (that runs at ~120W)
@@Ronaldo-se3ff should have played to their strength, I don't like newer intel CPU's, win 11, 4000 series RTX cards or these new ryzen cpu's!
Good thing I recently got a r7 5800X3D and a 3070 TI and installed a long term support version of windows 10 and can avoid all these issues and hope the future will be better XD
Its not too late to hit the same jackpot I did at a great price :P
The real eco mode is not upgrading for the sake of upgrade.
Looking at the power consumption jump, I am concerned about the direction computer parts are going regarding heat. I look forward to your piece regarding the Eco mode.
I really like how to split up the data sections of the video with a small re-cap/your thoughts. Makes the who video more enjoyable.
What an awesome drop in upgrade the 5800x3D turned out to be 👍🏼
I'm not regretting that purchase, for sure.
"No Regerts"
5800x3D turned out to be a great decision for those who bought it
@taxid3rmy if AM5 is DOA then Raptor Lake is dead before arrival lol
Indeed, Zen 4 is basically irrelevant for gamers right now:
- If you have AM4 motherboard with older Ryzen, just get 5800x3D and have the best gaming CPU on the planet.
- If you are building a new PC, just get a good ADL chip and enjoy (i5-12400, i5-12600K). Or wait for RPL.
6:05 That's always been my approach. I've never understood feeling the need to get the newest, high end GPU/CPU as soon as it comes out even if you built a new system just last year. I used my GTX 1080 for 3.5 years and it was just starting to show its age in new games but not by much. People are free to do what they want with their money but my RTX 3080 isn't getting replaced for at least the same amount of time. I'll be upgrading from my 8700K before that (maybe this gen or next). The CPU I had before getting the 8700K was i7 4700K. Gave that CPU, Mobo, and my GTX 1080 to my cousin who is still using it just fine today. Plays games new games @1080p med settings.
Are you me? I replaced my 1080 for a 3080 at its launch and only recently started looking for a upgrade for my 8700k. I'll probably hold out till zen4d though while the motherboard and ram prices go down since besides Spiderman I haven't really noticed any hard cpu bottlenecks so it can keep trucking for a while longer.
I am looking to upgrade from 8700k too but kinda waiting for intel. MB costs and thermals not looking too good.
Don't know what to expect from those on intel 13th gen...
8700k user as well - wanted to get into this now that Ryzen 7000 comes with an iGPU as well but i think it has to wait until DDR5 costs is down (and maybe a 7700X3D is on the table)
I had my old I7 gen3 for 10 years, sure I had to upgrade the video card(GTX1660 RI) cause the old one blew(EVGA), a few years ago but I have not felt a need to upgrade until I tried running CP2077 on 4k and tried to compile shaders(all cores @100% for 4hours) in UE5 ;)
That PC can still run CP2077 on High settings @1440p @60fps even though geforce experience think I can't even run it at 1280x800 with everything on low.
Just bought an I9 12gen, waiting for a few more parts to start building, can't wait, its been awhile ;) Sure is fun doing all the research on parts.
@@bb5307 lol "4D"
Love the upgrading tip... needed to hear that. Keep killing it guys
Thanks for the review! Really helps me alot in decisioning.
I'm so glad that you're bringing up the cooling aspect of the cost. That's a huge factor that I think some reviewers are not mentioning, whether intentionally or unintentionally. Thank you for always being the most trusted name in the tech CZcams space.
Seriously, I know folks that won't touch watercooling of ANY kind with a ten foot pole. Hearing that AMD made their mid and high end CPUs require an 280 to 360mm AIO color is going to turn a lot of people off.
I don't understand why AMD are being so aggressive with this round of processors. There's only like a 17% perf deficit on the high end if you cut power draw in HALF.
Yeah, back in early 2020, I bought a few things to start piecing a new computer together. I only got around to buying a case, cooler and ssd. The Meshify C case I know is already a bust if I want to use a latest gen gpu as I think most of their coolers are >330mm. So I'm hoping I at least fare better with my cooler choice which was a D15.
Seems like Amd has shot themselves in the foot. When you have to fork up money for a 360mm aio to cool a 7600x otherwise it won't perform as well as it should. You know you fucked up.
@@RicochetForce I'm one of that crowd. Use a Dark Rock Pro 4 for a 5950X OC'd to 5.05 GHz (on 4 cores).
I just don't like the concept of watercooling, water next to electricity is not a good idea. Even without it too, I get great performance on my chip.
I do want to say I still have loads of props to you guys for having lower cost CPUs like the I3's and R5's in your lists.
And then there's me frustrated that there's no 11th Gen
@@darkigor20 11th gen was a mistake.
@@darkigor20 Intel's 11th gen is a very bad value proposition right now because the price of 5600x is down, and it's very comparable to 11th gen i5's and so it doesn't make sense to buy something the same price AND performance (for all intents and purposes, as 6% increases in performance are really not big) but which has terrible efficiency.
@@darkigor20 Intel's 11th Gen was worse than their 10th Gen, why GN should promote these?!?
@@partyzahn7312 no it wasn't worse than 10th gen. 11th gen has better scores all around the board.
I think that my earlier statements in previous videos that unless you are in great need, waiting 6 months to a year before investing in AM5 is probably going to be a good idea, both on price and bios/driver bugs fronts. Big prices mean there is a lot of room for competition to drive prices down, and DDR5 is going to drop pretty quickly as has been reported before. I'm not really in a position to build a new machine at the moment, but by the time I am, things might be even better.
Great stuff as always Steve! I hope that you can include Civ 6 turn times in the gaming results again! :D
What these reviews have told me is basically that the 5800X3D is just about the perfect partner for my 3080, without either of them being a huge bottleneck for the other. My mobo has gone through 2700X and 3900X (got 12 cores because at that time I actually needed to do big builds on my computer, but not anymore), so looks like I'm gonna put the old girl through one more CPU and a few more years at least.
Great stuff GN team, love the content.
Just buy a 5950x when it drops in price more and ride it the whole ddr5 generation
Yep i was actually gonna ride it out with my 3600 until it was time to just rebuild the entire thing a few years from now, but the gains in simulators with the 5800x3d is just too good to ignore
If it’s a gaming rig 5800x3d all day long. I’ve gone through 2700x - 3600 - 5800x - 5800x3d and in sim racing and newer cpu heavy titles like Spider-Man it’s an amazing cpu when paired with a 3080.
@@ChrisPBacon9 that’s actually why I’m on the fence with the 5800X3D.
I was waiting for more news on what the cache sizes were. Because for some reason certain types of games seem to depend even more on cache size than chip speed.
I kinda expect the 7950x to flip the table on that a little by sheer girthiness of the cores… but you could almost kit out a computer with a 5800x3d for what the 7950x will probably cost with mobo and ram.
Edit: derped on what the new chips actually were called.
@@andyruse4670 yeah here's to hoping this launch drops the price of the thing by at least 50 bucks or so lol
Years ago I often though about what it would be like if CPU's had more cores and they would chew through 250-350w.... and what it would be like if GPU's could have Huuuuge dies and consumed 400w. Now I want to go back to 2011 when the best Gaming CPU was like $230 and a $140 GPU was more than enough for Wow or any game. Those were the days
For me, it feels like reliving the 90's again where PC components were expensive as hell and manufacturers releasing new generations every five seconds. The best time for PC gaming were the late 2000's and early 2010's. The 2020's are stupid in general, can't wait for this decade to be over.
But really you're kind of complaining that games just got higher fidelity.
You can still play WoW and decade-old titles on components that cheap.
@@hyperturbotechnomike Mate the late 90s and early 2000s were the golden age, late 2000s and early 2010s were an era of stagnation and consolitis.
@@supabass4003 I don't remember the late 90's as being great, because of MS-DOS based windows. Especially 98 was pretty unstable for me and many others. 98SE got a bit better, but it was far from stable. The rate in which CPU's got obsolete was still crazy with the transition from Pentium II to Pentium III.
The early 2000's were okay, because Windows XP arrived, which was much more refined, but also had it's initial problems with drivers. The hardware market did slow down a little bit, with the Pentium IV and Athlon 64, which lasted a couple of years.
I remember the "Windows 7" or Core2Duo/Quad" era as being best. It was when Games had paid DLC's but none of that Pay2Win lottery mechanics and most releases were still available on physical media. And my Core2Duo E8500 CPU got me through many years. I still use it today in my media center PC. Socket 775, was the best Intel has ever done, it lasted through many generations of processors, which weren't overpriced, except the core2extreme series which weren't necessary.
@@libertyprime9307 the core of their argument is that prices haven't fairly scaled with performance to warrant a new purchase or an upgrade. The newest consoles can do 4K 60fps but a CPU motherboard combo alone costs significantly more to try and achieve that.
Noise tests with different cooler sizes and CPU settings might be useful.
I really appreciate the GPU bound scenarios just so I can see where the "threshold" is in games at 1440p and how well my old 3600X compares. It's actually really helpful when wondering if I should upgrade to know how much faster a new processor would be. Too many reviewers focus on some fictional scenario where you play an esport title at 720p low with a 3090ti just to show an equally fictional differential.
I can't thank you guys enough for the honesty here. It's always nice to see reviewers go straight to the point, even putting that before performance numbers.
Keep at it, as always.
It turns out AMD will just like any company only release value products if placed under pressure by competitors. We went from AMD challenging the high end 4 core 8 thread status quo to charging insane amounts just to enter their newest platform. 5000 series was a major price hike and they only lowered prices following 12th gen's release.
True still pissed about it
i think intel still the way to go ?
@@TatsuyaWow For value, definitely. IIRC a 12400 + a 6600 GT is apparently a sleeper entry level PC.
Actually, you are wrong about the price hike for the 5000 series. 3800X to 5800X was $50, 3900X to 5900X was $50, 3950X to 5950X was $50. What many people complain about is that because TSMC yields were so good, AMD didn't have a good reason to release three processors with 8 cores/16 threads that only had clock speed or TDP as the difference.
Think about that, AMD was capacity constrained, they could get enough chips out of TSMC to meet demand for over eight months after launch. Picture if there was a 5700, 5700X, and 5800X, all of them with dies that would QA to the speed of the 5800X, but artificially put into 5700 and 5700X just because people wanted cheaper chips. Now, AMD did eventually come up with enough chips that failed to QA, so they released cheaper chips. But it took a LONG time.
There's going to be a cheaper chipset/mb. Like with the last gen amd, you didn't have to buy x570. You could buy the b550 which is more for gamers.
I'd love to see performance reviews that are total value based (CPU/mb/ram)
Hey Steve, thanks again for the detailed review. Are there any plans in the future to make tests 7000 series with cheap coolers to see temperature/performance ratio?
I know other people will have said this, but I'm really happy you emphasized how remaining with a system as long as you're happy with it is perfectly reasonable, especially given how good of a cpu the r5 3600 still is
Still use a 3700x, and I love it. Don't myself upgrading for at least 2-4 more years.
@@tyjohnson5349 i have an r5 3600 with a 3070 and was looking to upgrade. Not sure what i'll do now. i've never upgraded anything besides memory, so all of this is very overwhelming
Just got 5500 for 115$. Combo to 6600XT. Don’t think any more power needed.
@@mattygee79 Might be worth to upgrade your CPU to a 5000 series, like a 5700X, which will last you quite a few more years. Black Friday sale might be a good time.
I had a 3600X with a RTX 3070. Was a very easy upgrade to the 5700X, and noticed significant improvements in productivity and gaming (esp 1% lows)
@@mattygee79 you only NEED to upgrade if the games you want to play aren’t playable, don’t feel pressured by shiny new stuff, I promise you it’s a never ending pit for spending lol. 3600 is a great processor
Definitely need a deep dive into exactly how much difference in frequency/performance the cooler makes at different price points
And add some 105w(or95?) and 65w comparisons too.
And just the power consumption as a continuous cost... Thanks for an 'A1' YT channel, clear, communicative, informative...!
I would enjoy seeing benchmarks in sim games. Simulation games are quite usually CPU bottlenecked, especially the Arma -series. Thank you!
Would be interesting to see a Perf/W and Temperatures for at least one of the gaming benchmarks (maybe a GPU-bound one). Since the benchmark is likely not maxing out the CPU in these scenarios, lower power draw (and therefore presumably less heat) would help with overall system cooling. Do the new 7000s still boost until they hit 90-95C during GPU-bound tasks?
Would have liked to see a performance comparison of the previous R5 X600 CPUs when power capped to 65W or lower. Limiting TDP on previous Ryzen generations, especially 3000 and 5000 series, showed great improvements to thermals with minimal losses to performance. With current electricity prices and heatwaves all over the globe people should be more worried about power consumption and thermal output.
Nope. Couldn't care less about power usage.
We normally look into stuff like that as a follow-up, not in the review.
@@nexxusty but OP is talking about better thermals, not better power consumption.
Anyway, your opinion isn't relevant to what OP would have liked to see.
@@KuMoNKo This isn't reddit.
@@Top_Weeb lol
Really want to see comparisons of high end and lower end coolers on these Zen 4 CPU's.
I don't think the reminder @ 6:07 gets enough credit. Channels like you guys who bring up the "does it make sense to upgrade?" questions routinely are really helping us all out
Yes, because we are addicts, but "just say no" isn't enough, is it?
Knocking it out of the park with this coverage today. Really great of you to emphasize the thermal behavior of these CPUs
Yeah but be ready for their overclocking videos. 😎
So glad I just decided to say screw it and build a budget I5 Alder Lake build. The prices and cooling requirements are getting insane. An I5 or an AMD 5600 is probably plenty to play any game with any video card out there.
Also helps that the 12400 is a killer cpu and great b660 boards are incredibly cheap. Just seems like AMD has given up on competing anywhere but the highest end.
I'd love to see a comparison on performance for 7000 series between high-end and budget coolers.
Got a 7600X for $199, I like it 😂 paired with 6800XT playing on 1440p/180hz
Good and honest take. I am curious about what the boost scaling with cooling really means. Like, what performance is lost/gained with a stock cooler vs a larger tower cooler vs the 360 CLC you used vs an all out, open loop cooler.
From the video's i've seen, it's more that once you have enough cooling, performance stops going up. A NH-U12s is likely going to be enough for stock settings up to the 7900x. NHD-15 has been shown to be more than enough for the 7950x. I'd be surprised if even a stock cooler wasnt capable of over 5ghz from what i've seen
Great coverage as always, thanks guys. I'm more and more feeling good about sticking with my B350 (yes, 350, not 450 or 550!) and going with the 5900X upgrade. AMD 7000 series looks great, I'm sure Intel 13000 series will be great, but paying these higher costs with the entire surrounding ecosystem is priced they way it is all signs of a little too bleeding edge market. Great for reviews, and great to watch CZcams content on what's available. :) But for most end users, 5900X looks perfect on AM4 for content creation, and 5800X3D looks to be King for now still for 95% of users. I look forward to late 2023 revisions.
same, after several back and forth thinking about upgradding. i notice that i dont even use most of the new feature and not even close to using 1gb transfer speed. sticking with the a320 since most my job is only 2d stuff. probably change it in about 3 -5 year more for an actuall UPGRADE.
This 7000 release just push me to just go with 5000 series. I don't have extra money to pay for electricity sadly 😞
5900x is a beast CPU and insane value at the current sale price (350 bucks)
I just built a 5900X system. Totally worth it over AM5 launch prices
Got a 3700X with a B450 board. Not in a hurry, but I think my next upgrades are determined by if the PCIe3 will start being a factor with my next GPU upgrade around next spring most likely.
Did a beginner build comparison between what I had planned for 5600x, which added up to $830 for the bare essentials, and now the 7600x with its bare essentials has added it up to $1,003 with the cpu being double the cost, the cheapest dual ram being $80+, and the b650 plus adding $20 to the older gen motherboard
A month ago I actually bought (in addition to my 5600X and B550) a 5700X and a spare B550 board because I was very skeptical about AM5 from a value standpoint. Turns out that was a smarter plan than I thought at the time. Also, now it totally makes sense why AMD moved the capacitors out from underneath the IHS (very high temperatures).
Thanks for the extensive coverage, GN!
Any chance in the future for a kind of platform comparison with an FPS per $ and/or FPS per watt metric? I can imagine something like this taking a lot of time and work, but could be fun and useful.
Check the HUB review, they have multiple such summaries.
@@mapesdhs597 Thanks, I will!
Hope to see a variety of tests with different coolers. I'm still not sold on liquid cooled after seeing a variety of pump failures, seal degradation, etc. Would be nice to see how much the frequency will be throttled on a basic air cooled.
Steve already answered this twice, once here and once in the 7950x video. About 100MHz difference. Which doesn't sound like much performance difference.
Apart from testing with different coolers (old amd ones/low end/mid end etc.) it would be _cool_ to see the difference between win11 and 10 as many use win10
Thanks for the detailed coverage of the 7xxx cpu's. As i don't need additional room heating, i would be interested to see what's the performance like if you limit the cpu temperature to a reasonable level (if that's possible).
I will be staying with my 5600x for a very long time i think...
My favorite season of the year? Release season. Love your reviews, keep up the great work
I'm very curious to see what the real world performance impact looks like when using a cheap to midrange air cooler like the ones you've reviewed lately. I imagine you guys are already planning on making a video about that in time after the release stuff calms down, I'm just really curious even though I use an open loop lol
He said about 100MHz from a decent cooler to a top end one. That should be almost no performance difference.
I like the interjections between the data, improves the feel of a video.
Thanks for the detailed video!
With the energy crisis here in Europe the insane power consumption of the new CPU/GPU and cost increase of the components just kills a new PC build.
Checkout Gordon Ung's (PCWorld) Power comparison and Eco mode video. It's actually not *that* bad... but still not a good sign though.
@@earthtaurus5515 Still the price increase of new components is nuts, as a budget consumer who was looking forward to upgrading my GTX 1060 to a 3060Ti I'm having to say no to this whole generation because I'm not spending €500 on a 60 class GPU in the middle of a recession.
well you got a space heater on winter days hahaha money well spent
All I can say is that if I get an RX 7000 series GPU (not going Nvidia anymore after the EVGA news and the images of all the 3+ slot GPUs for even their “80 Class” GPUs) I’m undervolting it as far as I can get with it without sacrificing too much on performance. Just got the price of my monthly power bill for the month and it was over $350 US when it was HALF that and even less just a few months ago, never mind a year ago. I’m honestly even thinking of replacing my 3080 Ti with a 6800 XT or a 6900 XT in the short term and undervolting one of those as I won’t be losing out on too much performance and those GPUs have the potential of consuming much less power than the 3080, 3080 Ti and 3090 while not being far behind in overall performance.
Lol even the highest power gaming PCs barely make a noticeable effect on your electricity bill
I'll wait for Raptor Lake to decide which upgrade path I will be taking. The release might also force AMD to further lower down their pricing on these CPUs.
Currently have a R5 3600 (X370 mobo, coming from 1700X) + RTX 3080 setup. I know it's a weird combo, but I'm gaming at 1440p so yeah.
I mean. You could 5800x3D and buy 2 more years, easy, for a mere $375.
@@chrisblum8358 13600k gaming are stronger than 5800x3d what i watch some leak.
@@chrisblum8358 Good suggestion. But I'm leaning towards upgrading to a new platform because I'm planning to give my current CPU, Mobo, and RAM to my younger brother.
the lighting in this new studio is AWESOME. Steve looks great!
I give you a 10/10 channel review just now :)
Thanks for the last decade or so!
Thx a lot for including a compiler benchmark 🙏
It’s important for people like me, who game and code on their computer.
I’m impressed how well compile time scales with cores/threads.
Agreed, 7600X and 7700X are in an awkward spot. Budget gamers should probably go 12100/12400 + B660 + DDR4 (would even have an upgrade path to Raptor Lake). Enthusiast gamers should probably wait for the 7800X3D. Mixed gaming + production workload people will probably go for the R9 chips or high-end Raptor Lake.
12400 is awesome cheap cpu. If you can find a cheap motherboard with external clock generator you can run that bad boy up to 5.0 ghz they say.
It's full blown role reversal. The two (possibly three depending on your view) three generations had AMD owning the budget / lower=end segment, while Intel ruled at the top, we're now seeing the opposite be true, which makes perfect sense, it's not an AMD or Intel thing, they'll both always sell whatever they have for absolutely exactly as much as they think the market will deal with.
Was thinkinh of upgrading to a 12400 with a board and DDR4. I still have a 3770k @ 5ghz, and the newer games really can't keep a stable 60fps anymore at highest setting. My 2070 laughs.
I never expected to be saying this, but... I'm looking forward to the raptor lake reviews, didn't know they were coming so close to and 7k.
Good chance I'll be coming back to team blue which I really never thought
Ryzen 5 should habe been a 8 core and ryzen 7 12 core. 300 dollar 6 core is a joke in 2022 imo.
Love the comprehensive reviews that focus on value! I can't say I expected AM5 to be great value right out of the gate. At the settings I run, I'm currently GPU-limited in everything except PS3 emulation (running a 5800x on air). Maybe the value of AM5 will sway me once it has its second or third generation of CPUs.
They haven't released the X3D versions. I guess it comes next year. I have a dilemma - to get a 5800x or to get 7600x...
The main cost is in the motherboard & ram. Which will be there regardless of what you upgrade to since all new processors will be using a new socket & DDR5.
It'd probably make more sense to wait for a B650 & wait till DDR5-6000 becomes mainstream in about 6 months. Might even let the RDNA3 launch & stabilize prices by then.
this is the way
Pretty much this. B650 will be where it's at and DDR5 prices are dropping even now. I've been putting off a computer upgrade for about two years at this point because of the assorted disruptions and nVidia shens, so it looks like another six months to a year before this old box can be retired. Hopefully RDNA3 can bring enough pain to force nVidia to reel its neck in.
Im curious what you guys will benefit from DDR5 over 4? 🤔. Not hating, serious question. Cant find anything that would make me upgrade even if cheaper. DDR4 performance is just fine and will get cheaper as DDR5 does correct?
Exactly, platform prices, specially motherboards, have been getting ridiculous trough the years since Ryzen came out, this is hurting the CPU generation more than the CPU prices itself.
The problem is that that you have actually decent Z690 motherboards are $150 whilst the cheapest X670 motherboards announced so far are $300+ and if you go for cheaper DDR5 or even DDR4 you aren't leaving as much performance on the table with the 12600K or the 127000K.
The 7000 series also seems to be again far more CAS sensitive than Alder Lake so CL36 or CL40 DDR5 simply trashes performance by quite a margin.
You can buy a 12600K, good DDR4 or CL36 DDR5 and a Z690 motherboard for the price of many of the AM5 motherboards which are actually available to buy right now.
And with the prices of the 13th Gen leaked all I can say is good luck, the 7950X would be likely untouchable in most productivity workloads but at it's price point it doesn't matter and the rest of the 7000 lineup provide very poor value both against existing and upcoming Intel CPUs and most importantly against existing Zen4 CPU's.
When a good AM4 motherboard, a very good DDR4 kit and the 5800X3D cost less than the entry level into the 7000 series whilst performing better you have a big problem on your hands.
I'm on a hype train of running my system as long as possible - now 2 generations behind. Feels good man.
You may be on that train, I'd like to welcome you along on the ride. Been riding for a while. Currently running an i7-4790k, and GTX 970.
I've been riding an Fx-9590, its been fun!
Can't believe I'm saying this
But Intel seems like a much better value this time around. Cheaper entry CPUs, the option to use DDR4 instead of DDR5, and not having to buy a really expensive cooler in order to be stable.
I upgraded my pc around 2 months ago, ended up going with a Ryzen 5700x over the 12700k, the Intel would have been like 15-20% faster but would also have cost me about double what I paid for the Ryzen system, both 12th gen and Ryzen 7xxx have insane prices on mobo and ddr5 just makes any build expensive, I went 64gb ddr4, had i gone with ddr5 i would have had to stick with 16gb to somewhat stay in budget
That and also the continued availability of older products such as the 10105F, 10400, etc.
And right now the expensive AM5 boards seems like real stinkers. I mean what is the point in buying a expensive motherboard that you can not really be happy with. No matter if they support AM5 to 2025 if in 2022 you buy a motherboard that sucks ass. And in such a short time will DDR5 become better and x3d CPU's are needed to make any real improvements to games. And in real workloads your going to be dealing with the HEAT so your not even going to be happy with AM5 at the very high end production even.
I rather it take twice the time to render if I can keep the noise down. And AM5 right now is just AM4 but you have to run it at half the speed to stop the power draw to go insane. And Ryzen was about making Intel look bad...
would be interesting to test the ECO mode at 65W for the 7600X and how it compares to stock CPU as well as 5600X among others. I have seen claims that even at 65W, the 7600X barely takes a hit in games. We need the GN test to confirm it :)
Appreciate the video dude. Great job as usual.
Thankfully AM5 motherboard prices have gone down a lot. I will probably use an ASRock 620i board which costs $140.
Spot-on assessment. As I've come to expect from you and your team, Steve. Thanks for the update even though the news is disappointing.
Appreciate how you insert that pearl of wisdom about the lure of an empty upgrade. By empty I mean our pockets while chasing a few more FPS, when our current setup will do just fine.
If that’s the case, then I think I’ll keep my 5600x, until next gen. It’s very power efficient at 65 watts, and it’s still one of the best 6 core CPU’s money can buy. It’s serving me well.
Oh ya. Keep that 100%
5800X3D or wait for 13th Gen, both seem like a viable option for someone on AM4 looking to upgrade
The 5600 is an affordable beast!
@@darkigor20 I was thinking about upgrading to the 5800x 3D, but I don’t like how slow the clock speeds are. 4.5 boast clock is good, but not for today’s CPU’s
Yeeeeah I think the 5600x should last you another 3-4 CPU generations. If you're looking to just game on it it should be perfectly fine for what you need. Just save your money for a new GPU in the future, that'll be more impactful :p
Thanks for this review. You guys just answered my many questions. Gonna stick with last gens Ryzen Chips.
Really looking for a budget build update early next year after the bulk of B650 boards launch, and have time to settle in, after stock is refreshed, and early adopter taxes wear off.
Back to back ryzen 7000 reviews? Awesome!
And there are still more parts!
@@GamersNexus just wanted to say, you guys are probably the most trustworthy tech CZcamsrs here. People with principles who's really turn down money and take corporate backlash just to stand up for consumers
I thought about upgrading, but the motherboard and CPU prices are too steep for me. I'll stay with the Ryzen 5 3600 and 1660 Ti for now, maybe see what AMD has on November 3rd.
Don't know your use cases but seems like upgrading your GPU would be a priority over upgrading your CPU.
@@HeinekenLasse I was hopeful that 40 series would bring down the prices of the 30 series, was looking for a 3070, may get that if prices drop a bit more, or a 6700 XT.
@@HEKVT bang for buck a 6700 or xt will be a great upgrade, while it's in stock everywhere. Great 1440p card
Just buy intel 13th gen. Will be a LOT better than this AMD 7000 garbage.
Might be a better value to get a 5800x3d and put the extra money used on the platform into the GPU.
I appreciate the new testing benchmark with FF14, it gives somewhat more of an idea what a CPU can do than just queue up frames when there are simulations and calculations going on in the background.
Have you perchance tried CPU heavy games like late stage Factorio or late stage Rimworld?
nobody plays either of those shits lmao
Guess I'll be waiting until midway into next year for prices to reduce/stabilize.
Hopefully things, generally, are a bit better by then.
For upgrading, it really appears that a 5600X or 5800X3D is the optimal upgrade versus price. The Good Old Gamer did a couple videos showing that with a bit of luck the 12100 and 12400 can be "tuned" along with DDR4 ram to punch above its' weight making for a really decent gaming rig. While the new stuff is cool, I will be upgrading my EVGA1080Ti FTW3 well before my X570/5800X. Really hoping AMD doesn't go down Ngreedias' route (all the traffic will bear and then some).
CPUs don't "punch above their weight" people who care about maximizing performance have know for decades that tuning ram improves latency and frame times for literally no extra cost,it just requires some tinkering which most people never wanted nor plan on doing.
A 5900x for 350 dollars (the current sale price on many sites) is probably the best deal for a CPU right now. 350 bucks for 12 cores and beast, efficiency, and performance
@@teddyholiday8038 Yeah but if you don't use all those cores, its kinda a waste. if your primary focus is gaming then the 5800x3d will outperform it at 1080p, higher resolutions you should just upgrade your video card, unless you are more than 3 gens behind on CPU's. The 5900x is great bang for buck though. High IPC and decent productivity. Also forgot to add that you will probably only see a difference when using a very powerful GPU (3090ti/6950xt) at 1080p if you are using a lower-end/mid-level GPU then might as well go for the 5900x cause you will most likely get the same experience regardless.
@@CP110 I’ve read your reply three times and I still don’t understand how anything you wrote negates what I said. A 5900x for 350 dollars is stellar value
@@teddyholiday8038 if your main focus is gaming at 1080p and using a powerful card a 5800x3d will will be better. cause you wont utilize the productivity potential of a 5900x. If you have a low tier/ mid level GPU you will get the same experience even at 1080p so keep your current CPU if its not older than 3 gens. if you are gaming at higher resolutions CPU doesnt matter in the 300 dollar range or above again keep your CPU. the 5900x is a "might as well" if your upgrading your CPU from something 3 gens or older and using a lower/mid-level GPU. For the average gamer that is.
I was thinking of upgrading since I'm sitting on 1700x, but this makes me think that going 5700x might be a better choice.
Maybe consider 5800x3D in the upcoming Black Friday
Just bought one myself. Super happy with it, though my upgrade was from an even older gen (4690k)
should get the 5800x3d tbh. you get to stay on par with current gen cpus as well.
Friend of mine who'd been using a 4930K did precisely that and he's very happy, especially given the 5700X's low TDP.
Just buy 5800x3D and insert it into your existing AM4 setup instead of 7600x. You'll crush this puny new CPU in gaming performance.
Thanks for testing FF14 and a nice suite of games. Been looking at the new options and comparing value with 12th to upgrade possibly from 9600K. 7700X seems better long term though the having to buy new ram, new boards and cpu at minimum is a lot. The price value for 7600X does not seem there yet. Maybe as it ages and B boards are out.
100 bucks for 16 gigs of DDR5 is nothing to complain about. People forget RAM used to cost a doller per MB!
With the importance of cooling I wish someone would do a benchmark comparing radiators, specifically varying thickness of radiator.
Watching the reviews so far is really making me consider just getting a 5800X3D or waiting for the 3D 7000 chips.
Same, wanting to get a used 5800x3D for a discount.
the 7000 3D is supposed to be a bigger jump over the 7000 series than 5800X3D was over 5000 series
@@Dan-Simms you're gonna wait a while since people have no reason to change them, and theres no upgrade path for am4
@@Cypeq Pricing on the 5800X3D has actually come down a tad now on Amazon for example.
@@earthtaurus5515 It jumps up and down,however the chip will probably hold insane value for 5+ years since its the best chip for who knows how many milions of AM4 users.
The 5600x was available today for $149. That has to hurt the 7600X performance to value ratio. Then add in new memory and an expensive motherboard it seems a hard sell.
Also the fact that one can get an insanely cheap used B450 mbd such as the excellent Tomahawk Max II, on which the 5600X runs incredibly well. One doesn't need a 500 series board to obtain excellent gaming performance. Heck, my TM-II mbd was only 60 UKP *new*. :D Used units are about half that, or there's the also very good Mortar Max.
yeah, 5600x is definitely best value right now (in terms of price/performance)
Buy a 5600x then ... I'm sure AMD wants to sell off all their existing 5xxxx series stock.
Feared as much given the pricing of the (so far) announced AM5 mainboards. For more budget oriented builds, the Zen3 series is still the better/more than good enough choice.
I personally won't be needing to upgrade my CPU anytime soon (happy with my 3900X) and by the time we get the next Zen4 iteration the motherboard situation has hopefully matured enough that options are available and gotten less expensive. And with time DDR5 memory prices will continue to fall.
Second generation CPUs on the AM5 LGA will hopefully bring back the value we saw with AM4 Ryzen 5.
Thanks for the review, I recently ordered this 7600x with an MSI Pro B-650-S Wifi, 32GB DDR5 Corsair Vengeance 6000, and a used RTX 3060Ti
All together cost about $400, it hasn't arrived yet, but I'm excited to try it out as I'm upgrading from an i5-7400 with a GTX 1050
The competition is great. DDR5 prices will normalise eventually and we can only hope for more of this back and forth 😁
Man, the 5800x is on sale for 260 on Amazon and seeing the reviews today have just really sold me on jumping on that deal instead.
For gaming look to the 5800X3D
@@IVEdge for almost half the price the 5800x looks like a better option if you want to save some bucks.
Probably a return with broken pins, knowing Amazon.
@@sentryion3106 yeah, but a 5800X3D is competitive with the newer gen. It will probably hold it's value longer.
@@jonathancarranza6046 it's locked where the 5800x isn't.
6:10 I was just having initial thoughts of upgrading to AM5 but thanks for this very clear message. Will stop thinking now and stick with my 5600X!
I was looking for a bit of upgrade before this cpus launched and came to a 10700f for 165€. Would love to see it in some future tests. It’s a kinda low tdp still powerful one and really few tests on youtube.
Im super curious on what the performance per different coolers would be, and what the effect on frequency would be with common coolers on the market
Yep that is a really good point..With low to mid range air coolers are they going to drop performance? I cannot understand why they went this route as it looks like the 360mm aio''s that i have seen on other reviews are running at full speed to keep the CPU at 95 degrees C or less...
He already said twice it's about a 100MHz difference between mediocre and top end coolers.. The scaling drops off really hard, so if you just cap the power draw, undervolt or run in ECO mode, you'll get the vast majority of performance without all the heat or fan noise.
The approach I'd probably take is just set my cooler fans to a flat RPM, the highest level that I like (I go for just barely audible, less than whisper), allow the CPU to boost itself until 95C with the airflow you've given it, and call it a day.
Thank you GN for providing in-depth reviews including the issues and not just jumping on the hype train.
absolutely... everyone is jumping like this is the best shit ever when... well....
I appreciate the note about sticking with what you have if it works. I have a 5800x/3070Ti build that's barely 10 months old. The case/cooling are nicely optimized. The performance is excellent. I'd rather just give it a few generations and see if the bonkers power consumption (and all the annoyances that seem to come with it) can stop being such a thing before I even think about upgrading.
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Agree, I stick to my Pentium 4 Prescott (1C/2T) / GTX 280 currently running Bindows 11 lol.
am not surprised with this review given its a whole new platform that and pricing for said new platform, but I am hoping AMD has an ace up there sleeve
@@plkh9602 GTX 280 is immensely CPU bottlenecked with a Prescott. You'd be getting a quarter of the card's performance.
I don't think it is even worth the hassle. Replacing a CPU is already far more difficult than replacing a GPU but most people will also be moving to a whole new MoBo+CPU+RAM setup which means you gotta basically rebuilt your whole system with strange problems like drivers, OS setup, BIOS setup, fan setup etc. Rather than the CPU prices I am actually waiting for affordable Mobo+RAM prices so that I can do it all in one sweep.
@@sk8erbyern I too put off upgrading the CPU RAM motherboard combo because I wrongly thought I would have to reinstall all my software and Windows. It's not necessary. There are CZcams videos showing how to do this. You just have to uninstall a couple of motherboard drivers from device manager in Windows. Then you do your belt and take your hard drives and put them into the new build. Window starts and installs the new motherboard drivers and that's it it works.
czcams.com/video/3Jv8zf2RJq8/video.html - how to upgrade your hardware AND keep Windows and your software.
Thanks Steve. Always very insightful. Good to see this type of competition again. Hope Intel 13th gen will givea hard time to these new Amds.
At this point I think that lagging behind the bleeding edge by 2-3 generations makes a lot of sense. Save heaps of money, get great performance/$ and don't deal with early-adopter issues.
I'm still on OG Skylake, so I could maybe upgrade to 12th gen Intel in a year or two and RTX 30-series from the current GTX 980 Ti. Could even reuse the DDR4 in this system :)
Would be a good upgrade.
True! But I would say you should pick up a 6000 series GPU if you want an even better bang for your buck!
I genuinely appreciate these reviews. A lot of other reviewers seem to have bought into the marketing or are overpromoting it, not realizing the value of the platform as a whole also has to be taken into account. This was truly eye-opening to the fact that AM5 is a new platform, and you will have to buy a lot more than just the CPU. This generation doesn't seem to be worth it, even less than Alder Lake looked to be on its release.
Agreed.
It’s an interesting position where the CPU itself isn’t necessarily a bad iteration (although whether it’ll actually be competitive to intel 13th gen is yet to be seen), but it becomes pointless when everything else it requires goes against it’s target audience.
Hardware unboxed did a really nice breakdown of system assembly costs and dollar per frame if you wanna check it out. Very comprehensive.
but if i want to build a new computer as i'm pretty much bottlenecked with my current cpu, shall i buy am4 with the 5800X3D , or wait for the new v cache generation ?
What? Almost everyone is taking it into account? Who are you subscribed to?
As always very honest unbiased review! Always grateful to listen to all the analogies and statistics of your work! Keep it up sir God Bless you and your team! "ctrl+shift+T" Coz forgot to like and commend coz of my OG potato pc XD.