Forced To Eat Live Eels & Mice- Fraternity Pledge Tortured To Death For 48 Hours
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i cant believe the youtuber that exposed them is facing jail time but the fucking MURDERERS arent. how sickening.
Right it’s so messed up
ikr like what the heck is going on istg
That’s Belgium
A very racist country
This makes me maddd I swear this is STUPID I'm glad he exposed them.
Money is a funny thing…
I am more than pissed off at the fact that the CZcamsr got jail time for exposing their names, and not the people who actually MURDERED AND TORTURED Sanda
and we all know why
Yes. Plus the parents should be jailed for conspiring to prevent the course of justice, maybe including the presiding judge at their trial. Their punishments were ridiculous.
I know right?!!! Absolutely bullshit!
He didn’t get jail time as of yet
Mind you a man got years of jail time for retweeting the name of the cop who killed Nahel a 17 years old teen in France, while the cop is still being paid and people gave 1 million euros to his wife. There is no justice here.
Their names are as follows: Donald De Vinck, Alexander Garmyn, Phillipe De Geest, Jef Jonkers, Bram Lebleu, Jeff Slosse, Zazou Bindi, Owen Vangrunderbeek, Julien De Visscher, Willem Peeters, Maxim Peeters, Simon Peeters, Benoit Plaitin, Jerome Verstraeten, Pierre Onghena, Leon Lesseliers, Taras Moychan, Viktor Knevels, Arthur Geheniao, Maurice Geheniao, Quentin Walters, Arthur Versavel, Joachim Meeusen. This was copied from another comment to spread the word. Say their names.
Dat zijn ook echt de meest kakkerige namen die ik ooit heb gehoord💀
In Kaapstad we would say "jou ma se poes"
Thank you!
yes brother , you goddam right
@@kevinrath3988 Lekker my lanie.
They dehydrated him then force fed him as many of the saltiest things they could find? this is definitely intentional murder.
he could just not do that...
@@petervansan1054 He was unconscious and suffering from lethal alcohol poisoning. I may be missing your point but this sounds extremely dismissive of the torture this young man went through and a lot like victim blaming.
@@petervansan1054only priveleged person, who never suffered from abuse can say that.
@petervansan1054 yeah just like women who have been roofied could choose to consent huh? I bet you're one of them.
Philippe De Geest
Jef Jonkers
Zazou Bindi
Jef Slosse
Donald de Vinck
Bram Lebleu
Owen Vangrunderbeek
Julien De Visscher
n den onle
Maurice Géheniau
Willem Peeters
Maxim Peeters
Benoît Plaitin
Joachim Meeusen
Arthur Versavel
REUZI GOM
Jerôme Verstraeten
Pierre Onghena
Alexander Garmyn
Taras Movchan
Léon Lesseliers
Arthur Gehéniau
Viktor Knevels
Quentin Wauters
Simon Peeters
Stephanie hit the nail on the head when she said that a racist, privileged man is the most dangerous person out there.
They sure r smh
True! The mere fact that they consider themselves above the law, consumed by their conceitedness, and feeling of supremacy are the worst kind of people! I just hope karma will get them soon to pay for what they did!
Based anti-racism. And consider that this is where white privilege is the *weakest*
Eh. That's what happens when your in a frat.
@@Leviatiemilywhat? You get tortured to death
not only is this messed up, but they stripped an immigrant family of one of their young aspiring incredibly TALENTED children. this is a huge sorrow, not only for the justice system but for a family's lineage and perception of what it means to be born without opportunity.
💔 absolutely
They shouldve stayed in their shithole country
Justice system is reason he didn't get any justice in the first place this is disgusting reminder of that you will always be black.And especially in white nation racism will always be the norm of the day and don't forget it.
I’m just going home 😊😊😊😊
Talented or not every life is sасred, especially to the parents.
The fact that their punishment for killing a human being is doing LESS community service than what my high school required for graduation is baffling to me.
Philippe De Geest
Jef Jonkers
Zazou Bindi
Jef Slosse
Donald de Vinck
Bram Lebleu
Owen Vangrunderbeek
Julien De Visscher
n den onle
Maurice Géheniau
Willem Peeters
Maxim Peeters
Benoît Plaitin
Joachim Meeusen
Arthur Versavel
REUZI GOM
Jerôme Verstraeten
Pierre Onghena
Alexander Garmyn
Taras Movchan
Léon Lesseliers
Arthur Gehéniau
Viktor Knevels
Quentin Wauters
Simon Peeters
When 'he was thrown in the trunk', it became clear to me that it wasn't even an "initiation to brotherhood" anymore, they clearly didn't see him a human being while doing all those horrendous things to him.
I'd say they saw him as a threat. They had high rank by right of birth. He had intelligence and attitude superior to theirs and threatened their publicly acknowledged superiority.
Philippe De Geest
Jef Jonkers
Zazou Bindi
Jef Slosse
Donald de Vinck
Bram Lebleu
Owen Vangrunderbeek
Julien De Visscher
n den onle
Maurice Géheniau
Willem Peeters
Maxim Peeters
Benoît Plaitin
Joachim Meeusen
Arthur Versavel
REUZI GOM
Jerôme Verstraeten
Pierre Onghena
Alexander Garmyn
Taras Movchan
Léon Lesseliers
Arthur Gehéniau
Viktor Knevels
Quentin Wauters
Simon Peeters
As a Belgian I feel disgusted. I am glad his story is getting international reach. Elite justice is no justice
Why does your country keep producing psychos 😮
This is not a problem of status.
As a European as well you can not tell me that our old folks are not incredibly racist. And some of us think as their parents. That is a fact. And not saying anything when those ppl make their comments is what makes them think it's ok. We all take part in this. Just like in bullying not just the bullies are at fault.
@@aidene5513 That may be true of child bullies, but adult bullies know damn well when they are doing something wrong. No pity, no mercy.
under Belgian law could the family sue these monsters for wrongful death? That's how people ultimately try to get justice in the U.S..
Belgium is a very raycyst country!!!!!
It's crazy to call this hazing. It almost sounds like torture.
literally, hazing isnt the most sane thing in the world but...this is crazy
This is torture
It sounds like Guantanamo bay level of insanity... It's not "almost" torture.
This is torture
Torture that led to murder.
Hazing should be outlawed!! There was a death at my college due to hazing, a poor freshman died of alcohol poisoning. Our college shut down the fraternity entirely and now has a strict hazing ban, as it should be!!
There is usually no "hazing" in Europe except the Netherlands are a bit weird.
Where I went to college (2020 so recently) the highest form of "hazing" was acts of kindness or a specific costume (had to be approve by admin) for the "prospects" and this was punishable by expulsion and house shut down
It is in most US states.
After hearing this I want black power in Belgium and go against those group and other prejudices breaks my heart I wish I had money to fight evil…
Hazing is still done in The University of Hong Kong
As a pet shop employee, this is one of the reasons I refuse to sell large quantities of feeder fish. Especially to frat bros..
Exactly! Why it should be a requirement to “quiz” people before buying pets especially fish, since they’re abused so much. To figure out if they should be allowed to buy a living animal
Philippe De Geest
Jef Jonkers
Zazou Bindi
Jef Slosse
Donald de Vinck
Bram Lebleu
Owen Vangrunderbeek
Julien De Visscher
n den onle
Maurice Géheniau
Willem Peeters
Maxim Peeters
Benoît Plaitin
Joachim Meeusen
Arthur Versavel
REUZI GOM
Jerôme Verstraeten
Pierre Onghena
Alexander Garmyn
Taras Movchan
Léon Lesseliers
Arthur Gehéniau
Viktor Knevels
Quentin Wauters
Simon Peeters
Thank you Stephanie for not shying away from the racial aspect of this case. People don't realize it's deeper than just being seen as a "black person". Racism also indicates NOT being seen as a HUMAN BEING because of your skin color.
Or people not taking your pain or death seriously !
There`s literally no racial aspect, despite what you and some other people try to make up.
The severe hazing culture in that fraternity did not make a difference between skin colors, and they severely abused generations of white students, Sanda was just one of many for them. It`s incredibly sad that he lost his life, but he was not singled out for his skin color or ethnicity. They made the other two guys do exactly the same terrible tasks as Sanda, they also urinated on them and tortured them the same way, and they made them drink possibly fatal amounts of fish sauce too. The only reason why they`re not dead is probably because they were lucky enough to throw up enough of it to not get a sodium overdose.
Those frat guys are monsters, but they treated their white recruits just the same way as Sanda.
@@haner2940 There certainly was! They used to call him several racial slurs which other students have witnessed and testified too. It’s also quite interesting that the one student they called these slurs and refered to as their slave was the one they essentially murdered. I don’t think you understand how racist these elite fraternaties are. Look up the case and you’ll understand why there very much is a racial aspect to this case. What you should be writing essays about is why that makes you irritate? Why does it upset you so much that people highlight and discuss racism?
@@rai2423no, you don’t understand how bros work. Real bros are able to talk the most offensive shit and just as well receive it.
They murdered him they aren’t “bros” what is wrong with you
it’s so sickening that if Sanda was a rich white person and those MURDERERS were middle class and black , Sanda would have gotten JUSTICE
Welcome to Belgium
@@jenneweeda6003 welcome to everywhere tbf, money and power takes over. Only difference is that it's getting exposed but even after the fact sanda got no real justice.
@@zwerver6249 this is true, but it's so obvious here that it's making me sick.
@@jenneweeda6003 I feel you
Not true, not in this case at least ..It did happened to a white student in another town. And He only got one article
Some of them seemed to be medical students too. Which makes it more infuriating that they're saying they didn't know the fishsauce was dangerous.
Philippe De Geest
Jef Jonkers
Zazou Bindi
Jef Slosse
Donald de Vinck
Bram Lebleu
Owen Vangrunderbeek
Julien De Visscher
n den onle
Maurice Géheniau
Willem Peeters
Maxim Peeters
Benoît Plaitin
Joachim Meeusen
Arthur Versavel
REUZI GOM
Jerôme Verstraeten
Pierre Onghena
Alexander Garmyn
Taras Movchan
Léon Lesseliers
Arthur Gehéniau
Viktor Knevels
Quentin Wauters
Simon Peeters
@@JB-bm1toPlease post this in the main comment section, rather than the replies. I tried copy and paste, but it won’t let me. Everyone needs to know their names!
It’s scary to think that these folks will go on to practice in the medical field. You can imagine why some folks don’t trust their doctors etc.
@@Chevybee765one of them is a dentist and another one apparently works in the USA now in a job where he is directly in contact with patients everyday...
I recon that because this case did not lead to a criminal record, he did not have to disclose this information to his employer, otherwise im sure he would have never gotten the job 😬
@@slayjae wow! Nightmare fuel right there. You never know a person 😨
Imagine the dad, who moved to what he believed to be a better world, appreciated so much the opportunities he hoped his children would have there and then was so despicably betrayed by the country’s justice system :((( RIP to Sanda. My heart goes out to you and your family.
Philippe De Geest
Jef Jonkers
Zazou Bindi
Jef Slosse
Donald de Vinck
Bram Lebleu
Owen Vangrunderbeek
Julien De Visscher
n den onle
Maurice Géheniau
Willem Peeters
Maxim Peeters
Benoît Plaitin
Joachim Meeusen
Arthur Versavel
REUZI GOM
Jerôme Verstraeten
Pierre Onghena
Alexander Garmyn
Taras Movchan
Léon Lesseliers
Arthur Gehéniau
Viktor Knevels
Quentin Wauters
Simon Peeters
Reminds me of another case RM covered, where the victim's family actually were American but the dad was state dept & so they lived on bases her whole life. Long story short, she turns 18, while her dad & mom are stationed in South Africa & wants to move to the US. Her family thinks it's safe cuz her bro lived in Oregon or some other state over there & they are literally American.... she's not even here a full year when she's kidnapped, r*ped & killed by a sick mf'er.
He must have died feeling so alone, abandoned and in excrusciating pain. May his soul Rest In Peace
may god make sure he can get his revenge 🙏🏽
I truly hope they get what they deserve because this is beyond me. I have never heard of smth like this. They are literally more than just sick in the head. I feel so bad for sanda truly. Ik the feeling he had was horrible. I truly hope he’s resting peacefully :
The fact that they weren't all immediately expelled from the university is absolutely insane.
When i was in college, i remember a neighboring school Oklahoma University, had an incident where very racist songs were sung by a fraternity (like really horrible songs, but nobody was hurt). The two ringleaders were almost immediately expelled, and the whole fraternity chapter was immediately disbanded. That is the sort of response I would expect. Community service and no criminal records in a situation where someone was tortured and killed is absolutely bananas.
Philippe De Geest
Jef Jonkers
Zazou Bindi
Jef Slosse
Donald de Vinck
Bram Lebleu
Owen Vangrunderbeek
Julien De Visscher
n den onle
Maurice Géheniau
Willem Peeters
Maxim Peeters
Benoît Plaitin
Joachim Meeusen
Arthur Versavel
REUZI GOM
Jerôme Verstraeten
Pierre Onghena
Alexander Garmyn
Taras Movchan
Léon Lesseliers
Arthur Gehéniau
Viktor Knevels
Quentin Wauters
Simon Peeters
@@JB-bm1tosomeone should check these names against people involved in the Dutroux affair. Wouldn’t be surprised if there’s some affiliation overlap.
Introduce animal abuse and sadism in college to screen out those with moral conscious or break it in those that are willing to submit their moral compass to political aspirations and then you can groom people into the trafficking group that will participate in or ignore those atrocities.
that’s because America is obsessed with race and the rest of the world doesn’t really care.
Hello! you probably won’t see this, but i want to notify you on a sort of ‘update’ on the horrible case of Sanda dia. A Vlamish youtube (ACID, also known as Nathan van der Gunst) named the people responsible for his passing in one of his videos a couple months ago. He got spun into a court case because of it, and recently received his penalty for it. He got a three month jail sentence on top of a 20.000€ fine, while the people actually responsible for his death got a community service and 200-400€ fine. I think it’s absolutely absurd how being from a higher class family can determine your sentence and how someone trying to warn people and get justice gets a much higher sentence. There’s a big chance you won’t see this but i still wanted to tell you! Lots of love, and avid listener, Dani.
Disgusting!!!!
Wtf no way... ARE YOU PHUK1NG KIDDING ME
The faces of abusers shouldn’t be hidden. They don’t deserve anonymity.
Don’t wanna get doxed? Act like a fucking human being.
The problem is they can sue her. They're the elite of belgium. They'll win
Exactly!!!!!
News networks protected them so much just because of their influential parents, its disgusting and shows how corrupt it all is. And the fact that some guy Acid made a video about them to expose them was called "cyber bullying" which risked him 2 years in jail while none of those pigs were ever in jail is.. i have no words. I really hope no one forgets this and they will reap the consequences of what they did in the future. These people can't become lawyers, doctors, politicans or whatever. They don't deserve a successfull life as if they didn't murder someone, as if they arent immoral cruel beings. and i truly hope they won't get away with this. Even though they didn't get punished by the justice system, i hope it will be by public dismay.
Philippe De Geest
Jef Jonkers
Zazou Bindi
Jef Slosse
Donald de Vinck
Bram Lebleu
Owen Vangrunderbeek
Julien De Visscher
n den onle
Maurice Géheniau
Willem Peeters
Maxim Peeters
Benoît Plaitin
Joachim Meeusen
Arthur Versavel
REUZI GOM
Jerôme Verstraeten
Pierre Onghena
Alexander Garmyn
Taras Movchan
Léon Lesseliers
Arthur Gehéniau
Viktor Knevels
Quentin Wauters
Simon Peeters
These are murderers. Plain and simple. They enjoyed torturing them. Imagine working alongside with one of these ppl. More likely they would end up being your boss. Monsters.
Yea I wish there could be watchlist of these kind of monsters. People with money and power can get away with actual jail time but I wish we can at least get a list of these monsters so we know who to be careful of and avoid.
😂
@@michellehan7960especially whyte
Nah especially black you mean. @user-ti5um5ek1t
@@user-ti5um5ek1tthe irony of u trying to fight racism by being racist with ur comment. Take ur bs and shove it
Acid, a Belgian CZcamsr, is facing more severe punishment than the actual people that did this to Sanda. It’s a freaking disgrace and it shows how Belgian ‘justice’ works. Thank you for covering this!
Belgium has such a dark past. Like the Dutroux case. Somewhere around 20 witnesses died on top of the original crimes.
@@legalfictionnaturalfact3969 yeah I know, how can we love our country when they do such crap🤷🏼♀️
I just realized that Belgian might be even worse than Korea
If some of ya'll are wondering, the CZcamsr Acid got a three month prison sentence with 3 years of suspention, an 800 euro fine AND has to pay 20 000 euros for "damadged" to the ex-Reuzegommer and his family that sued him (the number was a placeholder, he probably has to pay more or less, but thats unlikely)
Something I do wanna mention is that this WILL BE on Acid's criminal record. Something that the ex-Reuzeggommers didn't get.
After hearing his convicition, Adic said " Money always wins in Belgium"
Wow
The poor guy... he didn't deserve this...
Didn’t know humiliation and torture are ways “to build and strenthen the bond and friendship”.
This case is sad and horrific beyond measure.
It's not. It's just an excuse for them to take advantage of people with the power they have over them. It's sick and disgusting and I'm surprised it's not been made illegal at this day and age.
Not even Spartans did that
trauma bonding
It's stuff like this that gives men a bad reputation. Makes them look like monsters.
It’s just an excuse these clubs use to torture people for their own sick pleasure
As a long time viewer of Acid I'm still so proud that he exposed these guys, yet acid is the one facing jail time and the murders are just living their best life being doctors, dentists, and even politics and lawyers. It's sickening... thankyou for covering this case
Exactly! Agreed. It's just so unfair. They ruined lifes so why do they deserve a good life. I mean imagine them being in control of the country.
He's still in jail or what...what did he do wrong while they killed a person...who are they to judge him anyway...for exposing the truth...revealing them for their crime...it's a crazy world fr
is there anywhere i can still find his video or all the info in it?
Any update on Acid?? All the sources I'm seeing are in languages I don't understand 😭😭😭
@@ChiZillaaathe trial got reported for january 13. hes gonna have to respond to the "online bullying allegations" etc.
Fraternities need to be abolished. Seriously. What kind of “brotherhood” leads to kids getting killed?
The type of elite brotherhood that rules the world.
I love how Stephanie isn’t afraid to call a spade a spade and speaks honestly about situations, especially when it comes to race. Also, I watch a lot of true crime pods.. it’s pretty much all I watch and Stephanie is the most sincere in her story telling. Her emotions don’t come across forced like most do. Great job! This has become my favorite true crime podcast.
i agree. these types of cases are that much harder to stomach when you can't see that the podcaster or youtuber is feeling the same way as you do when being told these stories. sometimes, when you hear so much negativity in the world, i need a reminder that there's many people out there too who hate the inequality of justice served and do not condone such acts. with stephanie, she not only validates our feelings as viewers but doesn't cut any slack on the perpetrators. so i choose to watch her channels instead.
Philippe De Geest
Jef Jonkers
Zazou Bindi
Jef Slosse
Donald de Vinck
Bram Lebleu
Owen Vangrunderbeek
Julien De Visscher
n den onle
Maurice Géheniau
Willem Peeters
Maxim Peeters
Benoît Plaitin
Joachim Meeusen
Arthur Versavel
REUZI GOM
Jerôme Verstraeten
Pierre Onghena
Alexander Garmyn
Taras Movchan
Léon Lesseliers
Arthur Gehéniau
Viktor Knevels
Quentin Wauters
Simon Peeters
This was a blatant murder and all they got is 200-300hrs community service and write an essay about the history of hazing. I'm glad this is getting more attention! Everyone deserves to know who those monsters are. They are not minors, they need to release names. Also, my guess is Acid will face more charges and repercussions more than those 18 monsters. Jail time? If Acid gets jail time, those 18 should face a proper trial without bias.
And I bet these spoiled brats probably paid people to write it for them.
Considering the fact that people from Belgium say that getting on a bus without a ticket can cause heavier action to be taken this completely insane and its not even going to be on there record makes it even worse.
Typical Belgium
Belgium is a very racist country
They need to name and shame these awful people - the blatant corruption and lack of even a facade of justice is beyond disgusting.
Too bad they are still getting away with it!!!! 😮
The most disgusting part of ALL of this. Is knowing these "men" go on to be doctors... Lawyers.. it's so sad.
Can you imagine, God forbid, that someone's little nephew, traveling Belgium get sick and some of these so called "doctors" get assigned to his case. Absolutely horrifying.
Sorry about my English, is not my first language.
Actually one is already a dentist! crazy how someone who has blood on their hands are the same one putting their hand in ur mouth
@@kuikentje.ak1I'm not at all surprised he chose dentistry. the sadist's profession! ok ok I'm being facetious
@@kuikentje.ak1this is horrifying.
@@kuikentje.ak1 that's not true. you're talking about MP- he isn't employed just yet, he is doing an internship at a hospital in leuven. he is studying maxillo-facial surgery. also does not deserve to be talked about like that, since he was one of the few members who pressed for sanda to be brought to a hospital.
Violent crime becomes a million times more disgusting when the justice system does practically nothing in response. Civilized society feels like only a dream sometimes.
I really want people to think more critically about the "justice" system and WHO it serves. The person exposing the identity of these villains is facing jail time, but the murderers got away because theyre rich and white.
Philippe De Geest
Jef Jonkers
Zazou Bindi
Jef Slosse
Donald de Vinck
Bram Lebleu
Owen Vangrunderbeek
Julien De Visscher
n den onle
Maurice Géheniau
Willem Peeters
Maxim Peeters
Benoît Plaitin
Joachim Meeusen
Arthur Versavel
REUZI GOM
Jerôme Verstraeten
Pierre Onghena
Alexander Garmyn
Taras Movchan
Léon Lesseliers
Arthur Gehéniau
Viktor Knevels
Quentin Wauters
Simon Peeters
Fraternities and sororities are the dumbest concepts I've ever heard. It doesn't matter what they can offer you, the possibility of getting killed or traumatized just for a few connections and "friends".... And then keep that hazing as secret? It's absurd.
Of course I don't blame the victim, he saw that as a necessity, but the whole concept is so absurd.
Hi alostkoi, I'm Steve and I'm a fratman from the Philippines. We have this writen rule that our kind of hazing shouldn't be degrading and deadly, instead it should just physically test our new brothers and how humble they are. I went through it, I never regretted joining my fraternity because some of the best people I've met are my fraternal brothers. Respect and solidarity are always required to be present whatever we're doing. I joined way back when I was in highschool, became a junior member, to avoid being bullied in school and also so I can easily protect my friends using the connection that I got from my fraternity. I get you, though. I'm aware that there are insane fraternities out there. Gangs exists and we just want to avoid being alone when we get into big fights or when we need more hands and minds to work with when working on serious projects. I got through college not being bullied by anyone, not even by crazy gang members. For me, the "tough guy" image is very handy but shouldn't be abused. The added confidence also helped me through a lot physical trainings as part of a football varsity team. I just gave myself another option when the going gets tough. I'm still an active member and I give advise to my local council.
That's why a lot of black people started their own here in the US is different actually or so I've seen
Couldn’t have said it better! Speaking from my personal experiences with frats/sororities in America, they offer nothing but trauma and only cause problems that bring suffering. Frats in America have an insane amount of criminal activity, why would anyone in their right mind want to be anywhere near the proximity of that degenerate behavior
I agree. Every yr, fraternities and sororities get in trouble for sexual assaults, hazing, and deaths... what's the point of them? Yay! You get thru tests and pay fees to have a group of fake friends.
It does sound like victim blaming, he did see it as a necessity because these are wealthy powerful and influential people who would no doubt get him far with those connections
They killed him and their initial punishment was having to write an essay? They got to graduate and live their lives after taking those opportunities from him? This is just disgusting. And then declaring them guilty and sentencing them to community service hours? I am speechless. My heart goes out to his family and friends... RIP Sanda.
They need to investigate the judge.
@@8mathdaddy Bingo. Wouldn't be surprised if that judge had some skeletons in their closet.
@@8mathdaddy The parents of 1 of these murderers is actually a judge, which was leaked online after people found out their real names. So many indeed suspect (and basically know) that whoever the judge was, definitely had connections to them. There is no way any proper judge would let any of them go with not even 1 year of jail time, its just disgusting, and shows that all countries have corruption when it comes to the rich, something many often forget if they live in the west atleast. It sucks.
@@yulana990 Wow!!! Thanks for the info. So sad.
@@yulana990 Damn, talk about a conflict of interest. :\
Survivor's guilt is a hell of a thing to live with and I'm absolutely shocked that none of them are living with it
how do you know? are you in contact with them?
This happened in my country and we are absolutely sickened that their names are being protected even after the verdict and they aren’t seriously punished.
Stuff like this is why I am wholly against fraternities. People should go to college to learn, not party and abuse people.
🙌🏻 exactly
If people want to party and fail their classes that's their choice, it's the abuse that's problematic
@@theshermantanker7043 It would be so nice if it didn't have any consequence over anybody else but it's not like that.
Your parents & friends can still suffer from seeing you be so irresponsible with your studies (even more if your parents are paying for it) 🙌🏻
just learn and party without harming someone, thata absurd
Most of us learned AND partied without issue
It just takes a little googling to find the names of the murderers. We can't forget. We also shouldn't forget the leaders at the university who let the murderers back in.
everybody is weak to bullets
Philippe De Geest
Jef Jonkers
Zazou Bindi
Jef Slosse
Donald de Vinck
Bram Lebleu
Owen Vangrunderbeek
Julien De Visscher
n den onle
Maurice Géheniau
Willem Peeters
Maxim Peeters
Benoît Plaitin
Joachim Meeusen
Arthur Versavel
REUZI GOM
Jerôme Verstraeten
Pierre Onghena
Alexander Garmyn
Taras Movchan
Léon Lesseliers
Arthur Gehéniau
Viktor Knevels
Quentin Wauters
Simon Peeters
@@JB-bm1toyou go girl, say it louder for those in the back 🗣️
@@JB-bm1tothe fact that zazou bindi is black is crazy
@@yasmina1994 there’s ALWAYS one. You know what Ice Cube said about that type. “Black police showing out for the White cop”. I wouldn’t be surprised if he inflicted some of the worst treatment of Sanda. The self hate is real smh!
I always had a hatred for fraternities. I don't know the ins and outs of fraternities but the hazing aspect is something that always got my blood boiling. It just seemed like an excuse to treat people in the most inhumane way possible. This was humiliation, this was abuse, this was straight up torture. What Sanda and the other initiates went through... I honestly couldn't imagine experiencing it myself. The only good thing to come from this is that the Fraternity was shutdown... but that doesn't give Sanda his life back smh.
Even aside from the worst aspects of hazing, there's all sorts of shit wrong with fraternities (and sororities, albeit possibly to a lesser degree). They breed things like rigid conformity, groupthink and entirely unearned entitlement.
‼️ Update on Acid (CZcamsrs) case with revealing the names ‼️
Acid has received next sentence: 3 months jail with parole, 800 euros fine and a compensation from 20.000 euro to the prosecutor (I hope I translated it correctly)
Many people disagree with this and wanted to help him so he opened a go fund me to get the money for the compensation and if anything more than 20.000 euros gets donated he will donate it to the Santa Dia Foundation ❤
Bro all that fucking alcohol....have they never heard of alcohol poisoning???!!! This case is beyond horrendous and the fact their parents tried to "protect" these grown ass men from facing consequences because THEY KILLED AND TORTURED A MAN is absolutely wild to me.
Some were also doing school for certain things like health wise and none of them knew it could turn out bad? Yeah alright.
tbh people here often drink until they pass out, theres drinking competitions where people drink up to 30 beer bottles in a day
ive had friends say they didnt drink much while they downed 11 bottles of beer
@@NoName-lw1jn Unfathomable. I drink about two or three drinks a YEAR. The light weight stuff of 3% alcohol I might add.
@@Nessy-of-the-Lynnno one cares man
@@NoName-lw1jnPeople do that in the US as well and there’s still a risk of dying
I honestly think doxxing law should not include protecting criminals..
The problem was that he doxxed innocent members who weren’t there..
Fr.
frl. i’m all for doxxing monsters
@@mimijiji0423 not all of the doxxing pertained "monsters" though. a number of the reuzegom members, were not really monsters. their family members (parents, even little sisters) were doxxed as well. where do we draw the line?
@@dollweissbut didn't all of the members know about this happening tho? Are those two members you mentioned the two pledges who were also victims?
This story reminds me of a specific fraternity that faced so much backlash for not getting shut down after multiple SA reports. Way to go UNL in Nebraska
A fraternity at my school verablly assaulted and removed a trans girl from one of their dumb little parties, then erected a large banner outside that said "No tr*nnies allowed", (or something like that but the slur was definitely involved.) The only reason it got any local media coverage was because we held protests, rallies, chalked up the campus, etc for WEEKS. (We were also just fed up cause it happened closely after the school had subtly tried to change the housing policies to be more hostile to us, and that kind of thing almost always emboldens these shit heads.)
This whole fraternity hazing is the most disgusting, vile , heartbreaking thing I've heard! Absolutely heartbreaking as well! Sanda deserves justice!
Fraternity is honestly so cringe and embarrassing, dare I say pathetic, such a sad case
Yeah I kinda pity people desperate to join these groups due to all the bad rep.
You know what's really sad is the idea of a sorority or fraternity could be a good idea, but there are so many horrific stories and awful circumstances surrounding them that they're almost more troubler than they are worth. Imagine if someone were in one of these, didn't participate in the hazing of others, and then the whole thing disbanded, because a group did something horrific. That person would lose housing, connections, and potentially have their name tarnished by association. Absolutely horrible what happened, in this case, and Houses need better oversight if they're going to exist as organizations. A whole country has failed this hard working man. This case reminds me of Aeryn Gillern in how massive of a cover-up/brush-off it seems to be.
@@Solonneysa Yeah I agree, the root reason he joined is acceptable and very good for him, too bad they were focusing on something else
You pay for friends too, you have to give money to be in the "in" group. It's sad as fuck
The only person I ever heard speak of a fraternity or sorority in my life was a principal and college kids. And movies. They ain’t all that. And please parents. No matter how tough life is please teach your children not to accept this shit. Say no!
Stephanie is always making videos on cases I’ve never heard about. This one sounds so awful just by reading the title
as a dutchie thankyou so much!
fr like these should be viral cases it's crazy that we're not hearing about these... big thanks to steph
@@kpopcandle Belgium isn't the netherlands
@@Anne-wf1vo I know it’s very viral in the Netherlands too ..
@@kpopcandle waarom zeg je dankjewel
This case just saddens me. I'm a woman of colour myself (African descent) and I moved to the UK a while ago. To think that for 13 years of my life I have lived amongst people who were similar to me in terms of race and culture and religion- I have never known racism. And when I moved one of the warnings my parents always give me is that I'm not like them. I should stay in my lane and not get myself mixed up with the wrong people because if anything happens and I was around, I could easily be blamed. I hope Sanda is in a better place after having endured two months of hell. May his soul rest in peace and may we all learn from this and grow to be better people...
I hope you live a prosperous, long life.
I'm Belgian and like many others in the country, I followed this case closely. You covered this really well, but only one correction though, the youtuber Acid is not the one who brought attention to this case. The day after Sanda died, news articles started coming out. Because everyone knows the university, it was HUGE news all over Belgium. One media site even posted a full timeline of the hazing, people were disgusted. Everyone was waiting patiently for the court case, only to be severly disappointed at their sentencing. The Reuzengommers all being part of big, wealthy, influential families was a big topic of conversation too. Everyone was outraged.
Only after their sentencing, Acid released some of the names of the frat members. It was news, but he was not the reason for this case gaining so much attention in Belgium (idk about international). The protests happened because of the light sentencing. The whole country has been heavily following this since 2018, Acid is irrelevant to most Belgians.
Maybe, but the fact that Acid is facing more severe consequences for naming the murderers than the murderers did for committing murder is messed up.
@@kirbygivens8223 oh, i absolutely agree. It's madness.
@@kirbygivens8223actually he was facing punishment because some of the names he outed were not even involved in the hazing and because he added them in his list they lost everything
I'm so glad she's covering this case, Since I'm from Belgium we talked ab this in class and my English teacher kept defending the guys whilst my whole class was literally enraged.
edit: Male teacher not a woman.
Whattt!??
Defending them how?? How can you defend attempted murder??
@@tystheticchannel3733it’s complete murder. not attempted.
How can she say anything in their defense?! What in the world could she say??😐😐
some teachers here are insane, i've had a teacher make hitler jokes and give him 'cute' nicknames, basically making fun of what happened to the jews@@mitza420
Supposedly students at the "top" university in a "top" frat and they don't know that sodium and alcohol and RAW MEAT could be lethal? This case was one of the most uncivilized acts I've ever heard. These are the sons of top personnel in the country? Lol.......
Something telling me that these killers are spoiled nepo babies who able to get away with anything (including murder) thanks to mummy and daddy's money
Parents were from the “top” of society (lawyer, doctors ect)
Yeah I honestly have no trust and faith in my country anymore
@@brituwu indeed 😒
They probably think that if they can eat salmon and tuna raw, then they can eat other kinds of meat. So much for the whole "ivy league schools offering the best education". Besides their murderous actions, they've shown the world how stupid they are and that Daddy's money allowed them to get into the "top" university of Belgium😂
Watching this case again to refresh my memory. But it quickly enrages me. He was just so sweet. You can look at the photos of him smiling and see he was a genuine guy who could’ve filled this world with so much good. Good that those frat boys will never ever be able to live up to. Greatness that they only wish they could achieve. May you continue to rest in peace. If there is a heaven, I hope I’ll make it to see you there. All my thoughts and love to his family
You're empathic and just so awesome at conveying how victims are real people who were important and loved. These stories are sad but need to be told and to be told so kindly and respectfully that is no easy feat, thank you for sharing these stories. You are respected, admired and very brave. ❤ people need to be aware.
Forcing them to drink that much alcohol without foot and water and then cutting off the water supply for the next day is attempted murder in my eyes. People can only survive so long without water, especially if they’ve been poisoned to the point of losing consciousness. All the pledges could’ve died, but Sanda got the worst of it.
My friend's cousin died from hazing. His name was Stone Foltz. They made him drink bottles of "alcohol" but it was a chemical that made him brain dead. The doctors let him go. ❤
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Wow. That’s horrifying.
That's horrible. I'm sorry for your loss..
I googled him but apparently they made him drink a ton of whiskey which is what killed him. His BAC was nearly 0.4%. Alcohol unfortunately IS a poison
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30 hours of community service is a part-time work week in the US. The fact that someone thought it was enough for someone's life is outrageous.
Rest in peace, Sanda. You had such a bright future in front of you. The world would have been a better place having you. 😢
This is just torture. They should all get charged for murder.
Yes. Plus the parents should be jailed for conspiring to prevent the course of justice, maybe including the presiding judge at their trial. Their punishments were ridiculous.
YA right? If it wasn't wrapped up in the context of "hazing", it would have been purely abuse and murder, and not manslaughter. It should've been judged for what it is.
No an essay is totally fine
I literally can’t even imagine how hard this must have been for his parents family and this case is horrible
Oh I’d be murderous. I want everybody
They literally killed a bright young man through torture that they considered hazing but someone else who even talks about it and brings up their names could face two years in prison is just wild and just angers me so much. I hope the ones responsible will face proper justice and then some at some point in their lives.
As someone who is in a sorority in America at a school where hazing is heavily restricted, this case is absolutely insane to me
Yeah sadly it still goes on at least at my school it does. I remember during house tours last year we would ask our guides which fraternity haze's and of course they all said they don't do that. Semester ends in December and January comes rolling around and one of the fraternities gets shut down for hazing.
On the day of sentencing I lost all faith in our Belgian justice system. I still can't wrap my head around the pathetic sentences these monsters got. Thank you for covering Sanda Dia's story ❤ #JusticeForSanda
There must be SOMETHING the world can do to appeal this decision. Those monsters need a taste of their own medicine.
Write to your head of state, MPs, blow up the issue and with international pressure, they will have to shape up!
Belgium is a very raycyst country!!!!
@@user-ti5um5ek1t not the country, just some back-minded people. #JusticeForSanda
also it's racist, not raycyst
@nobodythere94 Keep that same open mindness about countries like the United States and Canada too. It's only a small number of people who are racist but they are really loud.
just to make this clear: people in the netherlands and in belgium DID care, just not the ones who shouldve cared. like the justice system or the perpatrators.. its been extremely heartbreaking seeing this case almost go cold. we held protests for them to find and expose who did this and they never really responded to the noise that was made about it
The ones who supposed to care just didn't😂🙄 what a joke
@@byunniq9060that’s not what he said
@@D1sturb3d.gh0u1um yes?
Hearing him taking in deep breaths during certain points in the story is going straight to my heart because...same. How do people even think of these things.
This case is truly disgusting, I don’t understand how anyone could do this to someone, especially when you can tell they’re really not physically well, also using animals too just breaks my heart, these people are monsters! 😡💔
calling them disgusting and inhumane is an understatement.
they’re so horrible that words cannot even describe them fully
there are no words
Truly horrific case
wow ScareTheater watching Stephanie Soo unexpexted collab! u r so cool tho! ✨️🤯
Hay ScareTheater
Love ya!!!
Thank you for taking on this case & for speaking out about it, I'm glad other creators are also picking up this case
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Thank you for bringing Sanda's case to international audiences! I've been telling so many of my friends about it but it's hard when there's not a lot of English sources!
The perps names are difficult to find online and you’d have to really look deep to find them.
Buuut I’ve got their names with me. I also went the extra mile and got their emails, contact numbers, work places and home addresses.
No one deserved to go through what Sanda went through. The repercussions the perps faced was not good enough.
You're doing God's work. But be careful those people belong to powerful families.
@@kafka470 quite frankly, this is not the work of God. If God was in the business of helping people, Sanda would have still been alive.
Yes, you can say that God may have used Sanda as beacon of hope etc etc. Though I’m of the opinion that examples can be given without murder. (God has always been a fan of murdering people for petty reasons)
You have to share the information online or at least in a closed forum of some sort. At least inform their work places. Or write down reviews since I think some of them became doctors
So, if a “prestigious” school doesn’t act and let its name be tainted by a bunch of “students,”; then by logic, it is not so prestigious at all. This kind of U should be ranked as the worst to study and its operating license should be taken away by the government.
yes! all involved should be fired and shut down.
Any idea what school is referred to in this video?
It also smelled stink like nepotism
@@rhaytham Sanda Dia was studied Civil Engineering in University of Leuven
Yup, i am in this school and i can say, they put much effort into acting prestigious. Once you go there, you realise that money is all it’s about. The offered mental health support just quits, nowhere i can ask my questions abt the system, you need a degree to navigate the website AND they only have taken responsibility AFTER it blew up in the media, sometimes years after the facts happened (girl got sexually abused by a teacher and now, 3 years later, the students get mails, support and the teacher is fired, because it came into the news), it’s disgusting honestly. But still having this university on your job application gives you more opportunities
“Boys being boys” ugh, i hate that “excuse” 😡 my heart goes out to the victims of that hellscape.
boys being boys is bullshit. this is touture. if i could curse them and send them to hell i would
Boys being boys can be a crime too. As it was in this case. Not to mention they were adults! The excuses of the defense attorneys is inexcusable and sounds like a overindulgent parent who justifies all actions taken by their child as harmless fun.
This case is absolutely disgusting. Justice needs to be served! These 18 “men” should NOT be walking around with ONLY community service as the consequence. May Sanda be in peace now 🙏🏼
as a European I have never heard about this case and I am absolutely appalled. This is insane.
As a Belgian, this is one of my greatest shame as a citizen of this country. For my friends and I, this sentence is a clear representation of unequal Justice in favor for the Rich and Privileged.
This has everything to do with raycysm
And no matter how rich a block person y’all see us lower than poor savages and uncivilized and so on
And your Raycism and women cruelty is the worst
Belgium is a very raycyst and women unfriendly and unsafe country
Your whyte. Belgians are very a busi ve!!!
What kills me is that people might not even sympathize with Sanda they might even blame him for his own death
Exactly, people blaming him and telling him that he would become just like them if he didn’t die. It’s disgusting
they should be ashamed of themselves
Ya alot of Belgiums are saying he knew what he was getting into and deserved it
@@danielorlovaquinn and people used to think high education especially from elite universities would educate you about good morals, values, and common sense, enlighten you, pushing humanity to go further and thriving, make our planet to be a better place.
Nope. Nowadays what they teached you the best is about how to be hypocrite. For a mere certificate, so you can be another brick on the wall, another corporate slave, a number in statistic. Not human.
@@tamia5711you know that's not gonna happen..... It's sad
23:43 as a Black woman I am sad to report that most of us know what this feels like. To be called the “N” word to our faces with no apologies. 🤷🏽♀️ Because our skin is darker, it’s necessary for our skin to be thicker as well. 😢
There are far too many cases like this, “hazing” aka humiliation and torture needs to be considered a crime and enforced. I remember the young man with autism who was forcefed alcohol until he almost died and suffered lifelong brain damage from alcohol poisoning. It’s a horrific culture.
You speak of Sanda with such affection it’s like you knew him. Very touching. Your storytelling ability is unmatched. Loving this channel.
I cannot believe this case isn't more known. Thank you so much to Acid who made the case blow up again and forced Belgian authorities to look into it again. Thank you Stephanie for covering it to international audience. God i hope we can make this case blow up hopefully worldwide. If international pressure is all we can do, maybe we can finally put these murders behind bars.
Is there any petition we can sign? A go-fund me for Sanda Dias family?
This was such a horrifying listen, probably the worst case of torture I've ever heard. I couldnt stomach it there were multiple times i had to stop the podcast so i dont throw up.
Belgium is the most racist country!!!
Yes! Thank you to Acid, Stephanie, and whoever else shares this story!
Sanda's parents have made an vzw ( charity ) called the Sanda Dia Foundation.
As a Belgian I am happy you covered this story. The word need to be spread. There need to be justice.
Of course a bunch of rich and entitled white men dont wanna clean up after their party, but they'll clean up a crime scene. This case is frustrating. I feel so bad for Sanda's family and friends
so true
Thank you so much for discussing Sanda Dia's case. We (Belgians) were outraged, and yet nothing changed. We tried to have the case go viral in order to put more pressure on the Reuzegommers, but it didn’t work.
Well hopefully after this video, international pressure will lead to changes. People need to share this story!
We need to keep spreading hsi story and co tinur to put pressure on these disgusting humans
Belgium is a very raycyst country!!!!
Yes please lets share as much as we can
Someone should set their frat house on fire with them in it if they have one.
My friend was studying abroad and went to go into a frat. Do you know what his hazing looked like? They had him cook every single meal, clean the whole place both while consuming shots every 15 minutes (sometimes more because of "failing" tasks, which were also just dumb like running laps around campus in a time limit, or eating those duck eggs, or just playing games) and his final "task" was jumping into the local (not dangerous) lake naked. He also could consume however much water and food as he wanted.
This is what I feel like a hazing should be. Light-hearted fun. Which my friend said it was a great time. He also threw up once on the days he was failing a lot. Do you want to know what they did? They stopped the hazing and just to be sure took him to the ER to see if they haven't gone too far with the alcohol. That's what friends do.
Exactly! A lot of them make the pledges perform sort of like servants and add in other miscellaneous tasks- but for the most part it’s all benign. There is a problem with overconsumption of alcohol in a lot of cases, but they don’t ABUSE the pledges like these animals did. I cannot even begin to imagine how inflicting this torture on pledges leads to feelings of brotherhood and lifelong bonds and such. I would think that it would instead fuel feelings of rage, resentment and hatred. It makes no sense. How do you carry on after having a deep care for some blokes that pissed all over you, made you drink their urine and possibly included feces and semen as well! It makes absolutely no sense at all.
I’m also a Belgian university student. These “baptisms” happen all the time and are still ongoing. It’s crazy, but they never get severely punished because of the status of the student’s parents. Thank you SO MUCH for bringing light to this I LOVE YOU❤❤❤❤❤
That need to change!!!!
I had "hazing" in France, "journée d'intégration", using the word bizutage is "banned" (as it would help...). Discussing this with friends, from uni (most majors stopped hazing), med school, engineer school, classe prépa... I think they really toned down for more than a decade now...
I had a journée d'intégration 10y ago at university. No one was obligated to participate, it was stated multiple times before and during, some didn't wanted to do some tasks, and it was ok to everyone. Clearly they had a lot of imagination for the task to not endanger us. No alcohol at all.
They were veeeeerry strict on rules, maybe the university warned them?
University hazing is suuuuper rare now. Only a few do it (med, law maybe, engineer).
(I'm not talking about the army, firefighter and all because it's another level...)
You have the faluchards that still has a big tradition of alcool, gross things etc. But I think it's really dying down. They are the only "strong hazing" group I know of in France.
I think it's a French law that banned bizutage that helped France to get it to minimum risks. But as tradition is very strong in Belgium, I don't know if it would die down.
@@linapasteurit's so bizarre to me that something like that even exists
I'm Belgian, most hazes are harmless. I've been hazed myself and it literally was just playing games and getting covered with eggs and mayonaisse and whatnot. Alcohol is banned, and the pledges allergies and disabilities are taken into account. They've even hazed a guy in a wheelchair (he got no legs). It's also completely consensual, you're allowed to quit whenever you want and tell the people doing the hazing when you're feeling sick so they can set you aside for a bit. But mine was regulated by my university. Sanda Dia's frat was one not bound or regulated by a university, and those are the ones you want to stay away from.
@@LittleSparklingStarsI’m happy that it didn’t happen to you but you can never know when it can happen or when hazing turns dangerous. I’m a college student from France and hazing used to be huge think up until the 2010’s. Now violent ones are much less commun but I’ve witnessed some that they were linked to faculties and the schools did absolutely nothing, slipped it under the rug just to save their reputation.
the fact that the only punishment they got was community service says a lot.
All kids from elite and powerfully people. Even there name has been kept private. There is no justice here...
@@urmumsipadthey killed a man and got community service. get off your moms ipad
yeh i know it’s devistatonh
literally
it’s so sad
Little update for the people that care: Today a youtuber by the name of "Acid" was sentenced to a suspended prison sentence of 3 months and a 20.000 euro fine that he had to pay to one of the fraternity members. This is because he mentioned the fraternity member by name in one of his videos as well as his parents' restaurant, while he wasn't actually present at the hazing, This youtuber now has a criminal record, for mentioning someone by name, while the frat members got off with community service for manslaughter. Make it make sense.
i live in belgium and at my time in uni (10 years ago), i did undergo hazing. every frat has a different system, some don't have hazing, others you just need to chug a beer, a few (like mine and this one) go overboard all in the name of 'bonding'.
i also want to add about when they started the baptism in the middle of the street, that is "normal". you start out by kneeling in front of your frat's usual bar and do the first set of trials (usually drinking). that is probably why no one really did anything at the time when they were passing by.
thank you for bringing awareness to this case. too many people have died during hazing in the past, but this one is especially brutal. and it shows the true colours of belgian politics and people in power here.
Am I reading this right ? You said too many people have died during hazing … how are fraternities even legal at this point ?
this case upsets me so much bc if those 18 boys were low income african/middle eastern migrants and the victim was an upper class white man they would definitely NOT be sentenced to community service
And they know that. They used their privilege and abused it it beyond recognition.
I'm a (Black) American who just got Belgian citizenship last year and I'm so glad you're doing this story. Hazing has been such a problem here with student groups and it seems like someone get seriously hurt or dies every year! I'm so glad that my student group didn't have a hazing or a baptism. I'm ashamed that I have a degree from KU Leuven honestly.
Students should understand the danger of hazing and that they don’t need fraternities!!🙀
I didn't know countries outside US had frats.
You’re crazy for wanting a Belgian citizenship
Belgium is a terr ible
Women unfriendly and raycyst country
@mary-janereallynotsarah684 They're not frats like the Greek system in the US, but they're co-ed with a lot of rules and stuff. I was in one when I was in school here but we didn't have a hazing ritual and didn't follow a lot of the "typical" student club things.
@@DalszielleI think a lot of them are really aware of the hazing rituals because people talk and you see stuff like pledges kneeling on the sidewalk in front of bars when school starts. It's horrible and several groups have actually started signing an anti hazing pledge. Not many but it's something!
Them putting him in the trunk😢. It shows what an after thought his well being was. They treated him like an object.
The fact that he even survived the first night is absolutely beyond me. Its infuriating that they havent been held responsible.. thats exactly what creates psychopaths. Shit, theyre already murderers.
I get so frustrated when people question if race was a factor simply because other factors were involved. Like you said, “Are you kidding me right now?!” Of course, race was a factor! Listen to what they did, what they said, etc. Yes, they’re monsters. No question about it. But they were racists as well. I seriously commend you for not minimizing the racial aspect of this horrible case.
Exactly, also it means that they got away with toruting people for years, just that they went harder on him for being dark and is the one that ended up dead.... but this isn't their first time torturing people
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In Europe (or at least my country) it's the norm that fraternities are groups of misogynistic, racist, elitist, highly priviliged men who come from powerful and rich families (or aspire to get there). Decent people are very unlikely to join one. This case proves that... It's truly guresome.
Do you know why that is?
Probably since Europe and I mean all European countries rarely ever call out bigotry cause Europe is so homogenous so things against poc go under the rug
@@UnknownLemonadeStand in the US right now it's the complete opposite. Just about everything short of breathing is called racist. It is cases like these that need more publicity. Unlike some of the incidents in the US, Sanda was innocent!
@@joemccay9978 lmao you're so wrong it's ridiculous, american conservatives are downplaying racism more than they ever have before.
it's the same in the united states, it's just a fraternity/sorority thing (speaking as someone that was in one and kind of regrets it)
Some of these stories leave me speechless. I admire you for being able to tell us these stories and for being so thorough. You can tell you put a lot of work into these and it's very much appreciated
in high school the thespian society (dorky i know) put jackets over our heads, took us into the woods and interrogated us and made us wear embarrassing outfits for a week. our school said it was “ hazing” and made us stop. it’s crazy to think that something so tame was shut down but rich boys at a prestigious school could get away with literal torture for years, even with the knowledge of the school.
Listening to this as a medical professional infuriated me. I can’t even explain how knowing what was happening to his body, literally made me nauseous. However, one bit of solace in this is knowing that more than likely, he was on autopilot and unaware of what was happening. Even down to eating the animals. It was more than likely just his body going through motions but not realizing. His last conscious thought was probably when he drank the gin.
Ohhh true!
Also,the alcohol hopefully made him numb to the pain of the freezer temps and other abuse he had to endure.
Don't discredit his torture by acting like he wasn't aware
@@danielorlovaquinn …. Don’t discredit your stupidity by acting like you’re smart 🤓🙃
@@danielorlovaquinnOP literally said what he went through was horrendous. You can find solace in all terrible situations but that doesn't mean it wasn't horrible. What's wrong with you?
Fraternities are cults that will never get looked into because of their connections. This is so sad! I pray his soul finds peace.
Exactly cults with connections
FACTS!
when Mango's companion at the mic says 'they made him do the mice?'at 48:58...it almost broke me. I am comforted only by your relatable outrage.
Man this is making me cry nearly he could have been saved so many times !!!!! They saw how crushed he was. But their sadistic spree blinded them
This poor boy’s family. First, robbed of their son. Then, denied justice for his death. I couldn’t imagine the pain and anguish they endure. My heartfelt condolences are with them.
As a Belgian thank you so much for covering this case. This case has pissed me off to no end. Community service? Really? On top of the fact that Acid is facing a far worse punishment than the people that actually tortured and murdered Sanda is disgusting. Anyone saying there was no racial element to this case is just blind or a purposely denying it. #JusticeForSanda
Belgium is a very raycyst country !!!!
What aggrevates me so much is that the Belgian youtuber that brought light to this case is facing jailtime and the actual PERPETRATORS aren't