Is AEMOND an evil VILLAIN???
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- čas přidán 31. 05. 2024
- Is Aemond truly the villain history paints him to be? If you've delved into the books, chances are you'd say 'yes.' However, the show does flip the script, revealing a more nuanced character with Aemond. We see his childhood hardships and his distant relationship with his father, and this provides some insights on the character that make him a lot more fascinating and complex. He is no longer the one-dimensional villain that we read about in the book, but now a more human character with understandable reasons behind some of his actions.
In this video, I discuss some of the most interesting facets of his character and explore these reasons to make sense of his actions. But still, even with all of the reasons given in the video, the question still remains: is Aemond an evil villain???
Watch the video and tell me what you think in the comment’s section.
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CHAPTERS
00:00 - Intro
01:22 - Mistakenly killing Luke
03:13 - BULLIED for not having a dragon
04:44 - Claiming Vhagar
06:22 - Viserys will NEVER defend him
08:21 - Rhaenyra wanting him TORTURED!!!
11:07 - Ser Criston’s influence
12:37 - “Is Aemond not JUSTIFIED?”
13:39 - What do YOU think???
ART CREDITS (by order of appearance)
Aemond and Vhagar by Coliandre
Aemond Targaryen by Shen Fei
The Death of Lucerys by Doug Wheatley
Dragon Burning a City by [Unknown]
Aemond and Alys Rivers by Aleksandra Skiba
Daenerys and Drogon by Michael Rychtyk
Dracarys, Daenerys Targaryen by Magali Villeneuve
Daenerys riding Drogon by [Unknown]
Archmaester Gyldayn by Doug Wheatley
Daeron and Tessarion by Jota Saraiva
Aegon the Conqueror & Balerion the Black Dread by Jordi Gonzalez Escamilla
Viserys I by Doug Wheatley
Dragonstone by Karla Ortiz
Alyssa Targaryen by [Unknown]
Rhaenyra’s children with wooden swords by Doug Wheatley
Luke Cuts Aemond’s Eye by Doug Wheatley
NOTE: All materials in this video are used for the purpose of enhancing my opinions on the topic discussed, not to plagiarise or bastardize any of the intellectual property used. This falls within the guidelines of fair use and so no copyright infringements were intended.
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Great video. I always said that Aemond did nothing wrong. Rhaenyra's spawn cut out his eye and somehow people think that he's the bad guy. It's crazy. And I hate it when people think that Aemond deserved to be ambushed by those other children. He literally did nothing wrong. Yes, he was being a dick, but he literally did nothing wrong. You're right, he was just quicker to claim Vhagar and Vhagar chose him at the end of the day.
And fuck, Viserys was a terrible father. People love to act like he was the best dad ever. You're not a great dad when you're only good to one of your five children.
Do people say he’s a good dad? I haven’t read the book yet, but in the show I feel like he’s made intentionally to be weak, naive, and driven by superstition. That’s not to say he didn’t love his children, he’s a complex character, but he showed blatant preferential treatment to one over the others which is probably one of the worst things you could do as a parent. And naming a new heir at the end of his life, ensuring that his children all try to murder each other over the kingdom? Come on.
There are worse fathers to have but literally all of the events leading to war could have been better handled, if not halted entirely, by Viserys. It’s not coincidence that Daenyres’ god awful brothers name was Viserys.
But yeah 100% agree that Aemond did nothing wrong. I’ve heard that Aemond and Daemon end up fighting to the death on dragonback. Can’t wait to see it.
@ryanmiller1317 He was s terrible dad to Alicent's children. How do you see your child get mutilated and not react? He didn't even scold them. He is a terrible father for them, but for Rhaenyra he might be great.
@@ryanmiller1317 Me too.
Precisely. 100% agree with all of this
Hell, I'll even play devils advocate here; I understand why Rhaena was upset that Vhagar was claimed and bonded with someone else, but she was of course not realizing that Vhagar isn't an heirloom that automatically gets passed on from Parent to Child.
Even Laena made it clear that for most Dragonriders, you have to claim/earn that right
Even reading the books, Aemond was the Green I felt the most sorry for. He never got a chance to be anything other than what he was.
He was villainized from childhood, so he became a villain. Not so unlike Tyrion in some ways.
Except, it's not really the case with Aemond. He was villianized in the books because it was written throught the lense of extreme bias. In the show, we see that he was not really a villain at all. He was maimed and realized his own sister and father do not give a shit about him. He and every child in this series are victims of the adult issues their relatives refused to solve. And now, at a young age, because of the brutality of the feudal system, he knew there was going to be war and so prepared himself for it. Aemond was never a villain, and outside of terrorizing the person who crippled him, he hasn't done villainous things. The same can't be said of Tyrion. People constantly white wash him, but he has always shown how capable and ready he was to abuse his power. He only did it to prostitutes, so maybe that's why readers are so ready to defend him? But he has always been as brutal as Tywin. He was just beaten down by his father until he constantly saw himself as a victim.
Aemond Targaryen is most certainly not the villain here.
Aemond learned at a young age that Rhaenyra was not interested in the well being of her siblings, and was willing to have them tortured or worse all over a blatant lie.
He also learned that his father cared little for anyone but Rhaenyra and her heirs, as well as Daemon. So, without a father figure to defend him, Aemond understood that he had to learn how to defend himself and his family if necessary.
He doesn't care about Tourneys because he knows that soon enough, a real war will begin, and he's been training for it for the past 6 years while the Blacks were away on Dragonstone.
He commits genocide in the next 2 seasons. He’s a villain.
Why did Rhaenyra have to be interested in Alicent's children after Alicent made it clear that she and Rhaenyra were enemies? We see Alicent commanding to see Rhaenyra's child minutes after he was born, that she has the man who killed her husband's lover at her feast as her sworn sword, and has committed to Otto's agenda to replace her. Rhaenyra tried to bond the family through marriage, which Alicent rejected. She offered a dragon egg to Aemond, which Alicent rejected. And she's not their parent. She has kids of her own.
All the people who comment this completely leave out that Alicent is going around calling Rhaenyra's sons bastards besides not taking an interest in their lives either. Yet, Jace and Luke try to be honorable people. Why is it that Rhaenyra's kids aren't considered evil even though Rhaenyra raised them. If she's so disdainful of her family members, why aren't her kids and Rhaena the aholes that Aegon and Aemond are? Why isn't Jace a rapist? You're trying to blame her for Alicent and Viserys's bad parenting by claiming that the sister should have helped out more. Lol. That's an interesting way to try to cope with the way Aemond turned out.
@@LPno.9Alicent was the one who kept trying to make peace with rhaenyra and she refused. Remember all thos times she has defended her against her father,the council . Helena,s marriage was to the black,s advantage they can use that to get what they want
@aishahamma334 Rhaenyra did make peace. Then she had sex, and Alicent flipped out and started insulting Targaryen sex practices and demanded that she be told what Rhaenyra did with Daemon. After finding out that Rhaenyra wasn't completely honest she took back her friendship and started calling her step-daughter and bonding with the one person who was beginning to hate her. As if Rhaenyra putting her own self-preservation first just like Alicent did when she married Viserys was somehow worse. Rhaenyra was right to call Alicent a hypocrite.
Hightower supporters stay leaving out inconvenient facts to fit their narratives. It's wild because I'm not choosing a side, but I notice that Rhaenyra supporters tend to be more honest about her shortcomings. Alicent's fans can't seem to do that.
@@aishahamma334 Rhaenyra did make peace. Then she had sex, and Alicent flipped out and started insulting Targaryen sex practices and demanded that she be told what Rhaenyra did with Daemon. After finding out that Rhaenyra wasn't completely honest she took back her friendship and started calling her step-daughter and bonding with the one person who was beginning to hate her. As if Rhaenyra putting her own self-preservation first just like Alicent did when she married Viserys was somehow worse. Rhaenyra was right to call Alicent a hypocrite.
Hightower supporters stay leaving out inconvenient facts to fit their narratives. It's wild because I'm not choosing a side, but I notice that Rhaenyra supporters tend to be more honest about her shortcomings. Alicent's fans can't seem to do that.
Aemond is such a tragic character in that he's essentially the inverse of Daemon. He shares many of his mercurial and roguish qualities; he even looks like him. However, where Daemon became the way he was because he was essentially given the freedom to do whatever he wanted and Viserys would always welcome him back Aemond was crushed into being this person to protect himself and his family by a father who didn't care about him.
Not inverse, theyre basically the same person. As 2nd sons, both spent their entire childhoods trying to prove themselves worthy to their families. It eventually drove them both to near-madness. The only real difference was Daemon would act out when he felt neglected or ignored. Aemond used that neglect like gas on the fire to become an even better warrior.
Viserys was a terrible father and a worse ruler, it amazes how some think otherwise.
It amazes me how Green stans think a man (who was basically literally falling apart for years) being an uninvolved father (from what we were shown) and a pushover king makes him terrible, while defending and supporting: A woman who is a religious fanatic and abuses her children and manipulates her son to steal his sister's inheritance (and who says children's lives are unimportant because their biological parents weren't married to each other), a man who tries to use his daughter and grandchildren for his own ambitious gains (and abuses his grandson), and a man who literally commits a large mass murder of innocents. 😊
@@outlawssweetheart great cope, but dragon shit isn't worth to sit on the iron throne.
@@ChristianAuditore14you don’t know lol
And he didn’t even have a dragon
@@outlawssweetheart He still loved being a dad to Rhaenyra and didn't give a damn if his other children were even mutilated. She is religious but at least she defends her mutilated son and I don't see a problem with her preaching whatever faith she wants. Disciplining a son who bullies another son is being a good mother, the inheritance by law is Aegon II's, not Rhaenyra's. If you were taught in your family that seeing a 13-year-old drunk is no reason to reprimand him, I warn you that your family is shit and Otto was a bigger dad at that time than Viserys I was in 13 years. Their grandfather is already the hand of the king and has reached the top, his objectives have been achieved and now he only wants to protect his family. I have bad news for you, you are ignorant 😊.
Aemond was accused of being a thief, he insulted them back. They punched him for it, he punched them back. Jace pulled a knife, he pulled a rock. It was 4 kids against him one. I understand luke was a child but none of them had a fair reason to think that aemond would have killed them when it was all of them ganging up on him in the first place. Aemond was definitely wronged that day and he did not deserve to be maimed and crippled for life. Then to add salt to the injury the entire room was gaslighted by Rhaenyra, Viserys making insults more of a priority then Aemond losing his eye. Then the 'poor' lucerys who everyone feels sorry for had the audacity to laugh at him at the gathering which means that he feels no regret whatsoever for crippling someone. The boy was far from an innocent sweet boy. Aemond had every right to be bitter and vengeful.
THIS. Finally someone said it. Aemond in his own words definitely disliked breaking bread with the enemies on the same table and he was very restless and alert during the dinner. But he didn't outright made any rude comments until Lucerys (the very same guy who maimed him when he was a child ) smirked at him. Aemond was bullied for not having a dragon, got ganged upon by 4 kids (when he was a kid himself ), lost his eye to Luce, his own father didn't give him an iota of justice and instead made it all about his nephews parentage. A kid had to quell his mother's anger and then the very same kid who maimed him, after all this year's shows absolute no remorse and smirks at him.
Show Aemond has been humanized monumentally in that you really see where hes coming from and hes much less blood thirsty.
True. The show's writers did a good job of fleshing out his character and showing us that there were layers to the character that the maesters probably missed when they were recording the history of the Dance.
Aemond is a interesting character in the books and show and everything you said absolutely right he lost his eye to be wrong and and lose a part of yourself to a family member and ridiculed by your own father who supposed to protect you from those who wants to harm you i see why he grow up training constantly and waiting to get his revenge I understand his character both book and show everyone trying put blame on Otto and alicent but they never lied I understand why daeron doesn’t like his sister either aegon aemond and daeron know that they was not safe and they sister would have them executed, so she could keep her place on the throne and her family so no aemond isn’t a villain my eyes criston Cole is the father that stepped up for alicent kids
I agree with you. Alicent never lied to her children and she was actually the only parent who was looking out for them. The fact that they don't trust Rhaenyra is 110% justified.
The fact is that Vhagar defended Aemond. When Aemond's eye was cut out, Vhagar screamed and she felt his pain. For Vhagar, protecting Aemond is more important than his orders. Take the dog as an example; if the owner is in danger, she will protect him, despite the commands.
Great video i dont understand why everyone hates the greens
The show is very biased against the Green faction. I hope that it changes in the upcoming season, though.
Alicent and Aemond in particular haven't really done anything evil and yet the general audience treat them like they're Ramsay
It’s more they hate Otto who is a Green
@kaleanaking5292 What has Otto done that is wrong?
Maesters does not seem to like aemond very well considering how they write about him. Team black constantly says Maesters are green propaganda and bullsh*t, but they are not on anyone's side. Dance characters are written in a very controversial way. Hotd does half a good job in creating characters but as far I like aemond's development.
I think that the maesters were just against anyone with a dragon, and since Aemond had the biggest and fiercest dragon out of all of them, he was the most villainized of all the Targaryens who were a part of the Dance. 🤔
@@thecriticalmaester9702facts plus he looks like a villain so they just told the most reasonable story
The first time I read the book, I dismissed Aemond as a cartoon like, self destructive brat. Like a less psychotic version of Euron Greyjoy. But the show definitely humanized him. Your analysis has added more layers to his character. He is a complex character.
Aemond in season 1 was definitely not a villain to me he is a good young man that made a terrible mistake with chasing Luke. Aemond has been told that Rt would kill him n his siblings to secure her claims n in episode 7 she gives him all the confirmation he needs that his life is forfeit.
He grows up physically n mentally because he believes he has to be prepared to protect himself and his family from another assault.
I agree. That night I think that he realized that everything that he's mother, Alicent, had told him was 100% true - Rhaenyra really would try to kill him if she ever came into power. The fact that she was so willing to have him tortured, even though her child was the one that cut out Aemond's eye, was all the confirmation that Aemond needed.
I hated how cordial Rhaenyra and Alicent seemed a few episodes later, because why would Alicent just forgive and forget that? It was one of the few things that I really didn't like about the show (the fact that they were trying so hard to make Rhaenyra and Alicent seem like besties).
@@thecriticalmaester9702I believe that meeting with Alicent and Rt was the first time Alicent heard a genuine Thank U from Rt with no ulterior motives.
For a second she had her sister back n I think Alicent was genuinely tired of hating Rhaenyra n not to mention Alicent is a lot more religious 6 years later so she has a lot more forgiving attitude.
@@jjosifovic I hear you, but I just felt like it took away from her motivations to take her of her children. I don't understand why they'd rob the character of her agency in wanting to protect her children from Rhaenyra, and instead try to present Alicent as Rhaenyra's besty and give her the lame motivation of mishearing Viserys and misinterpreting his wishes to crown Aegon. It just sucks, idk. 😔
Alicent could've been a smarter and craftier version of Cersei, but instead she comes across as boo-boo the fool in most situations.
@@thecriticalmaester9702 to me I believe Alicent could be more like Margery n to me Rhaenyra is more Cersei than Alicent lol
N to be honest most of the faults with this season has to be the time jumps n not enough episodes. I much prefer 12 episodes than 10 n they could saved money by having no dragons for those episodes.
Precisely. Viserys won't defend him, so he has to defend himself
I always thought his burning of the riverlands wasn't for the heck of it but he was trying to drag out daemon.
I’m not even sure Aemond is evil. Many of the HotD characters are morally gray. He’s a very interesting character and is so damn cool.
I still think that Lucerys death was his own fault while yes Aemond should not had followed him on Vhagar beacause that was just asking for trouble it was Arrax that first started the fight and how stupid can you be to attack the Queen of dragons after that Aemond could not have denied her the revenge for that pesky little thing that dared to disrespecet her
Exactly.
Arrax was just defending himself from a larger dragon, he didn’t want the encounter to happen in the first place, Aemond made it happen.
@@t-rexcellentreviews1663 I mean Arrax was the first who attacked I think it was pretty obvious from Aemond's reaction to Lucerys death that it wasn't his intention to kill him only to scare him so if Arrax didn't blew the fire the entire situation could have been prevented
🤨@@jakubhnizdil7800
It's astounding how people acted like a kid mounting a dragon was more inconsiderate than Daemon mounting
Rhaenyra right after his wife died. Like bruh 💀
Exactly. 😅
Hes 17😂 Hes basically just a kid. People who say hes evil are just Daemon and Black fanboys
Ah yes, daemon. The paragon of virtue and righteousness. These people are insane if they think daemon is any better than aemond
Nope, not a villain yet. But when they start burning down westeros for that stupid throne they ALL become villains.
Yeah, fair enough.
Darn near half of the Realm ends up as Kinslayer, one way or another, and the death/destruction of many a town in Westeros is the fault of both sides.
Of course not, at least not more than the other characters. I just view him as someone who is loyal to his blood and his family wich is his mother, his siblings and their children. He is no different than Daemon in that regard just on the opposing side.
I don't think aemond is evil in the world of the books either but I think the framing of the book being an account of history that takes place in the future paints him as an evil character because he was on the side that didn't end up keeping the throne
Yeah, and because he rode the biggest and most fiercest dragon. I do think that since the maesters hated magic and dragons so much, they just hated on Aemond the most because he rode the biggest dragon alive, Vhagar, and plus he consorted with a witch (Alys Rivers) when he was in Harrenhal. These things probably didn't sit well with the historians who chronicled the Dance, and so they painted him out to be evil and monstrous. 🤔
He didn’t accidentally chase Lucerys out into the storm, he made the situation happen and the potential consequences would be obvious to anyone smart enough to ride a horse, much less a dragon.
Alicent was the only one who went to her son’s defense. Rhaenyra didn’t even care that her own brother got his eye gouged out by her son and wanted him tortured. Viserys did jack f*ck all to punish Luke for intending to possibly kill Aemond with a knife. The fans bash Alicent for cutting Rhaenyra because harming royals is treason. Where tf was that outrage when a ten year old prince got his eye gouged out?
Sorry. This makes me a bit heated because I was bullied at school when I was Aemond’s age and the only people who defended me were my mom and dad. The school victim-blamed me. Whenever I did anything to defend, the school punished me. Maybe that’s why Aemond has a soft place in my heart. Because I was him at ten years old.
Bro, that's exactly why I'm speaking up for Aemond. I had incidents as a kid where people would try to bully me, but I would fight back harder, and then for some reason I would also get punished for trying to defend myself. The other guy would also be reprimanded, but from my POV it always seemed like I got the worst of the reprimanding, even though I was the one being bullied. I hate that! I think the scene when those kids are attacking Aemond and he was fighting them off really triggered me, especially when Viserys did nothing to reprimand them for cutting out Aemond's eye.
If there's one scene that made me Team Green...
I think people say he is bad because in their minds there is only "good" and "evil" and he is obviously not "good" so he must be "evil"
I feel sad for these people.
i mean isnt it true, if they are not good then they are not evil then what are they? we have to stop saying that morality does not exist.
Aemond did nothing wrong at this point. He earned Vhagar's loyalty and a dragon isn't just a passed down property. In addition, he never meant to kill Lucerys and only sought to intimidate him rather than mutilate or kill the nephew who took away his eye. I think the villages Aemond will burn in the future is another Vhagar accident. The biggest sin of HOTD Season 1 is that we barely get to the Greens' point of view because of the show's biased agenda to make the Blacks more favorable over the Greens.
To be fair, Criston spoke badly about *one* woman who personally wronged him, and he generally worships Alicent. Some fans think him calling Rhaenyra a name once and then immediately apologizing for it and being mad at Rhaenyra after she used him is proof that he's a woman-hating incel (also he is explicitly voluntarily celibate so he can't be an incel) but when Daemon calls women names repeatedly with no remorse and commits violence against them he's just "complex" or motivated by love and not a misogynist. Ok...
(Not saying you're one of these fans - good take on Aemond!)
Show Aemond has been humanized Definitely but I personally do Think he is on the slippery Slope to becoming one of the darkest villain's. In the Show was he bullied as a child for not having a dragon yes, was he ignored by his father and possibly Alicent as well for being only the 2nd born yes. But Aemond I think is like a child who has been given a gun or another weapon, and he suddenly becomes trigger happy and cocky since he claimed Vhagar or as I see it Vhagar claimed him which led to him loosing control and killing Lucerys. These aren't good things when you are connected and hold a powerful creature that can bring massive destruction.
Yes. .He has a terrible family who degrades him. Every single one. The worse being his mother and brother. Alicent is a very angry woman who every adult in her life disregards and tells her that it is her duty to endure their abuse. She gets no real love or comfort despite conforming to everyone's wishes but her own and the only person who ever truly respected her, Rhaenyra. She passes that anger-- now also seething hatred -- to her sons. She teaches them to be violent to their nephews and to fear their sister. Viserys ignores all this because having sons isn't what having sons had hoped it would be.
It's interesting that people think he supports Rhaenyra over them, but he doesn't. He supports his guilt for what he did to Aemma and Rhaenyra. Having his wife endure horrible pregnancies while not having the faith or courage to name his daughter as an heir (grandpa Jace gets some of the blame for that, too. Even Maegor named a girl his heir). It brought him the most extreme heartbreak that he thought naming Rhaenyra would cure. But he didn't protect Rhaenyra or her children from Alicent. He could have squashed all of Alicent's resentful bs by making sure she taught her children to respect Rhaenyra. Of course, he felt guilty for what he did to her life as well so didn't intervene, but what Alicent was doing was more dangerous. Publicly calling the boys bastards could have resulted in their deaths, Rhaenyra's or her own and her sons'. Her resentments outgrew her care for her children. I also believe that the only thing that had her try to rekindle her relationship with Rhaenyra was seeing Daemond get away with killing Vaemond. That could have been herself or her sons because none of them could stop running their mouths about it.
Mixing all thar with the entitlement of a royal and a Targaryen can create evil children (Aegon is evil, too.) As a child he felt he didn't have the rights of other Targaryens, which is the right to bring whole nations to their knees with dragons. That's not a healthy or honorable desire. It's the right to kill anyone who goes against you, including the whole village they live in. It's an evil desire that was encountered by his grandfather and not tempered by his father. By the time he had matured that's all he cared about. When he finally claimed Vaeghar one of the first things he did was say to other dragonless Targaryen that all she deserved was a pig. Then that being mamed was a tradeoff to having the most terrifying dragon. His own self was worth less than the power to kill his own family.
Killing Luke by accident could have been a moment for learning about the evil that lurked inside himself and possibly turn away from it. We don't know why he didn't, but he didn't. He accepted it and went on to do more evil.
Aemond and Helena are definitely my favorites, and i have some things in common with them
I have some dreams that can actually happen . People think im weird because of my love for snakes, so i understand Helena when it comes to people thinking im weird, i also have 1 older brother and one younger brother too and i liked to learn how to fight just to defend myself and i know what its like to be bullied badly and im not really close with my family, and my parents are both sh** in a way but my dad was always abusive, but i never let none of that stuff bother me and currently rightnow i have a huge crush on Aemond 😅
You are putting a lot of conjecture in Rhaenyra being awful (She isn't a great person by any means, but Rhaenyra, and her children who in the books were 6 and 4 when this happened, and it happened because Aemond who was 10 at the time was feeling really bold after getting his dragon, and pushed Joffrey who was 3 into a pile of dragon shit) Rhaenyra didn't suggest Aemond be sharply questioned out of the blue, she did it in retaliation to Alicent saying Luke's eye should be put out, while it is true that her brothers would always be threats, I don't think Rhaenyra would kill them unless they make themselves into trouble for her, and this is an example of how Alicent's own actions become the reason her children have to be put in the crossfire.
Rhaenyra might not have ordered their deaths but Daemon definitely would after she was crowned the queen. Maybe not immediately after her ascension but a couple of years later. It wouldn't be a gruesome death though maybe a poisoning or a freak accident that would take the lives of Aegon and his brothers. Helaena might not be killed but she might be held as a political hostage (a good reason why Alicent opposed the Jace/Helaena betrothal) and slowly Otto and the Hightowers would be crushed to the ground. Rhaenyra is a cunning person, she might have mourned her half brothers death for a bit (if in that hypothetical situation they hadn't rebelled and opposed her rule like they did in canon) but she wouldn't be letting any potential competitors to her throne live. Her saying that Alicent's sons would have held positions of power in her court if they had swore loyalty to her was just mouth service. She isn't daft enough to NOT secure the throne for her sons if later her brothers though of rebelling against her. Plus her being a woman already puts her on a major disadvantage against those westerosi lords who follow the Andal's law of male successor. Alicent's fears were valid.
Rhaenyra was the one who asked for aemond to be tortured first That's why alicent was tired of rhaenyra,s bullshit. Honestly lucerys does deserve to have his eye cut out. If a child can plan on trying to kill or damage another person intentionally. Then he is not a child
Lucerys didn't do it to protect his. He had already planned on killing or maiming aemond even before the fight started and that's why he came whit a knife
2. If you watch again you will see that lucerys pulled out the knife when aemond called them bastards that was before aemond picked up the stone
Aemond had already lowered the rock when Jace threw sand in his eye and lucerys cut out his eye. If lucerys really did that to protect his brother then they would have run off after Jace threw sand in his eye distracting him they had a chance to escape. But still he stayed and cut out aemond,s eye
And you call someone like this a child
Respect to the one eyed dragon
Just because someone had a bad childhood doesn't give a licence to do genocide, kinslaying, other heinous crimes. Aemond is the very definition of villain with no redeeming quality. Daemon Targaryen was also not a good person but He had some redeeming qualities that made him GRRM favourite Targaryen. He was made with an equal amount of light and darkness within him but Aemond was a straight evil character
I get what you're saying, but I wouldn't say that Aemond doesn't have any redeeming qualities. George RR Martin has said in many interviews that he hates one-dimensional characters and that he avoids characters that are either black or white. He prefers gray characters. Yes, some characters are blacker or whiter than others, but he loves the shades of gray that make a character who they are.
I think that Aemond will do very heinous things in the future, but the show did the right thing by introducing some complexities to his character. He was bullied as a kid and he never had the love and affection that he wanted from his father. He studied all his life to be a good king, but that position went to his drunken brother who seemingly couldn't care less. I think there are a lot of qualities that make Aemond redeemable and likeable.
But yes, ultimately he does do things that are very messed up and wrong. Heinous even. Perhaps even inexcusable. But I prefer the shades of gray that have been introduced to his character. It's why I enjoy Daemon's character as well.
@@thecriticalmaester9702 Nah. I don't buy your argument. Why did he study all his life to become KING? He was the second son and third child of King Viserys. The king himself declared Rhaenyra as his heir and all the lords of the seven kingdoms vowed oath to Rhaenyra. The truth is Alicent poisoned the minds of his kids. Now They have become monsters that Alicent and her puppeteer father Otto cannot control. Oathbreakers, kinslayers, usurpers are not grey characters. You just don't know what Redeeming qualities means. For example Daemon was clearly the most battle hardened dragon lord of his time yet He never challenged his brother for the throne. He gave up his crown (Step Stones) to his brother and swore fealty to him to regain his brother's attention. When He was replaced by Rhaenyra as heir of king Viserys He protested the king's decision but he did not start a war for it over it. He crowned his wife as Queen and stood by Her till his death. He gave gold cloaks to every city watch men so that they could police the society with pride and honour. When Lord Corlys asked Daemon to join his endeavour in the step stones to end disruption of trade caused by Crab Feeder, He joined his campaign without even thinking for his own hide. These are qualities that can be classified as redeeming. Tell me one or two redeeming qualities of Aemond that makes him a grey character.
He is not evil. He is one of the few characters that have a more complex backstory
In the show when he and Criston are looking for Aegon, Aemond says he is the one that trained to be a warrior and studies the histories..then Aemond says he is next in line for the throne. Why would he say that, he just said that he studies, so Aemond knows Aegon's first born son is the heir. I think Aemond is the father to Aegon's kids. Aemond said that because he knows Aegon's kids are bastards. Which would technically make Aemond next in line of the succession.
The writers kinda forgot…
@@thecriticalmaester9702 you know how GRRM loves his parallel characters. We have a queen with three illegitimate kids by her brother, two boys and a girl.. that sounds familiar. Also at laena's funeral we have Aemond saying he would have no problem doing his "duty" with Helaena as Aegon stood there disgusted at the thought of marrying his sister.
@@thecriticalmaester9702 also the irony of this war being started over the legitimacy of Rhaenyra kids. In the end It turns out the heirs to the throne on both sides are all bastards. That sounds like a GRRM story.
@@thecriticalmaester9702 I was hoping someone could come by here and poke holes in my logic.
@@Guinnessdrnkr1234 No need. You’re spot on. The Greens are actually like Stannis here while the Blacks are closer to the Lannisters. However, it’s just that George has tried to present the Blacks as the protagonists while the Greens are the antagonists. It’s actually interesting, because the story is flipped, and though the same scenario as the main Game of Thrones series is happening here, the audience now seems to believe that Cersei and her children’s claims are more legitimate than Stannis’s. Very interesting.
Basically, people who support Team Green are the people who remain steadfast and who say the law prevails in both situations. In the main series, Cersei’s children had no real claim, and now in this story, Rhaenyra and her children also don’t have a real claim. The law prevails and the law says that Aegon is the rightful heir, just like how Stannis is the rightful heir in the main ASOIAF books. 🤷🏾♂️
I actually dislike the choice of having Aemond "losing control" of his dragon. I think that the way the show handled him harkened back to GOT (when it was good). By presenting a nuanced character. He can still be humanized and made sympathetic even if he is a kinslayer.
Aemond is one of the best villains in the books.
In the show, he has an edge but in the next 2 seasons they can’t hide his villainy, he basically commits genocide.
As a Native American what he does is not genocide he kills off a family but how is he a villain if the blacks will kill off a child there is no villains or hero’s here this is a war
Please do a video on Prince Rhaegar Targareyen. Would love to hear your perspective.
Probably in the future. I'm working on two videos right now, but maybe after that. 😉
“The idea we control the dragons is an illusion.”
All the characters in the show are better people than their book counterparts (except Aegon who is arguably worse)
I'll probably do a video in the future where I compare his book counterpart to how he's portrayed on the show, but it is clearly in an effort to demonize his character and prop up the Black faction so that the audience roots for Rhaenyra more... in my opinion.
I can't believe the show straight up went full Mushroom for Aegon
@@thecriticalmaester9702 I agree
@@MrFredsttSpecially when Mushroom is the least reliable of all the accounts in the book
If you read the books and found aemond to be evil then what the fuck is daemon the reincarnation of satan?
You verbalized a lot of the thoughts I have a difficult time explaining about him. I think he was a sensitive child (and second son) that had a rough upbringing that taught him he could only depend on himself. It turned him into a person that wanted power and revenge, and he acted more cruel than he actually was because he wanted respect. You can see how kind and protective he is with his sister (I think he was truly in love with her and was the father of her kids). You also brought up a lot of things that I hadn't thought of before that were very interesting. Your voice is so nice that these videos are ASMR quality lol
Thank you so much 😭
I'm glad you enjoyed the video. 💚
I don't think Aemond is her baby daddy, that's definitely Aegon, but he does love his siblings. Even Aegon
@@thalmoragent9344 I feel like the show is trying to play that down.
He's a villain but he isn't evil. Yet... Killing innocents is evil no matter what reasons or emotions one may have while doing it.
Aemond may be a villain, but season one sets a sympathetic foundation for him. Even if he's vindictive and violent, there are moments where he's sympathetic.
Aemond didn’t do anything, he’s not an evil person. If anyone is evil, it’s Viserys, Rhaenyra and Daemon.
No. Just no. Of all the main characters that are still alive, Helaena and Aemond don't actually have an evil bone in their bodies
Considering what we know Aemond will do in the Riverlands, will see.
He’s my favorite character in the show. Only one I bought the Funko Pop figure of 😊
So we are just making up that Aemond's eye was cut with a Valyrian Steel Dagger? Or did you get that info from a source?
I stan Aemond ngl
All who read this comment , in your opinion who has the greatest legacy in the ASOIAF franchise ? For me it’s Aegon , because of the conquest and the impact it had on the centuries that followed !
Bro he beat both two female cousins and his nephews, he hit him with a rock so the knife being pulled was fair enough.
His true intentions was to beat all of them with that rock if he could but they fought back.
He had already stole his cousin dragon while they were grieving from a funeral. If that ain’t evil idk what else to say.
I don’t think any of the Hightower heirs were good hearted. Maybe the daughter was but the other two acted like jerks.
1. U can’t steal a dragon
2. Dragons r not pets n they choose the riders.
3. He said shit to the girl they hit him n then it all got physical n he never hit anybody with a rock.
4. His true intentions was not to beat them with rocks lol
5. He already lowered the rock n when he called Jace a bastard then he pulled out a knife
6. It ain’t evil to claim n ride a dragon after a funeral it’s more inappropriate
7. Rhaenyra claimed n ridden a dragon as well at a funeral lol 😂
Aegon, Luke, n Jace were jerks to Aemond n then he became a jerk to everybody n jerk don’t mean evil.
I don't understand how one can be so massively biased to one side. It's as if Rhaenyras kids can do no wrong and are entitled to absolutely everything and allowed to get away with anything while Alicents kids are "evil" for claiming their rights as Targaryens or simply self defence. I will just repeat here, in the book it was never even mentioned once that Vhagar belonged to Rhaena or that she was entitled to her. It's solely a show invention to make Aemond look bad and even here it's complete bullshit because nobody is entitled to a dragon simply because their parents rode it. Aemond won the dragon fair and square.
If you sell shit, do I have to pay for it?? 🤔
Aemond is not a villian,he should be the King Targaryen. We all know it
No. He’s not. He’s the reaction to all the adults around him. Now he’s an adult taking the same revenge taken on him
Yeah, I agree. His parents definitely played a huge hand in shaping him to be who he is, and even Rhaenyra did. The fact that no one but his mom spoke up for him when he lost his eye must've had a profound impact on his psyche and eventual behaviour. Luke mutilated him and Rhaenyra wanted him tortured, and yet only Alicent cared - and even she (Alicent) is ruthless and ambitious (though more so in the book), so some of that must've rubbed off on him.
Aemond is not the victim
Whether you are team green or team black, seriously Aemond is the victim here. He did some wrong things I mean he perhaps shouldn’t have been so mean to the girls after claiming Vhagar but a dragon isn’t inherited, Rhaena isn’t entitled to Vhagar. Aemond was pushed and pushed to the limit by his nephews and his brother.
We all know that Viserys wouldn’t give a fuck about his kids with Alicent. He doesn’t give them 1/10 of the love and attention he has for Rhaenyra and her kids. The blatant neglect of them and favoritism of their older half sister and her kids really causes Aemond to resent them and rightfully so. Viserys ultimately is in the wrong but Aemond is a trueborn son and yet in a feudal medieval society like Westeros for some reason he is not as important as two bastard children. It must hurt him so much.
Alicent perhaps went a little to far but she’s tired that Ehaenyra gets to do whatever the hell she wants at least in her view while Alicent repeatedly sacrifices and gives up her livelihood and has never had an ounce of the easiness and pleasure that Rhaenyra gets in her life. Her children are not given the love they deserve that Rhaenyra gets. She is stuck fighting the ghost of her husband’s first wife, gave up her girlhood and innocence while Rhaenyra got her pick of suitors and got to have affairs and a chance for real connection. Her son was maimed and traumatized for life and yet he’s the one being interrogated and threatened (sharply questioned is a euphemism for torture) and there are no consequences for the one responsible. Maybe Luke shouldn’t have lost an eye in exchange but he didn’t even get a slap on the wrist. Banishment from Kingslanding in the future confinement to Dragonstone, removal of the line of succession that he shouldn’t have been in the first place, lost his place as heir of Driftmark that he shouldn’t have in the first place, anything! But no… no consequences and Viserys caring more about someone speaking the truth about Rhaenyra’s sins shows Alicent and Aemond that they don’t matter.
People say it’s ridiculous that the Greens genuinely think Rhaenyra will threaten them if she becomes Queen. And yes I don’t think at this point she’s become a kinslayer but this scene cements that idea in their head. Her son maims Alicent’s son and she doesn’t even care. It cements the idea that Rhaenyra doesn’t care about her half brothers and perhaps could be persuaded that they need to go in order for her reign to be secure especially once she marries Daemon who has no love for Otto and Alicent and by extension Alicent’s children. She marries a man after this with a history of violence reckless behavior and great ambition. Those two things alone make them fear for their safety if Rhaenyra ascends.
Evil? My brother in R'hllor, he killed so many targs and dragons, he should be considered a saint.
King Viserys I weakness destroyed the Targaryen dynasty. Or maybe that was his plan all along.
Aemond is a victim of his own family. Viserys was too old to raise him properly and Alicent/Otto were too busy plotting on how they could usurp the throne. So Aemond spent his entire childhood with little guidance and became obsessed with trying to prove himself worthy of their love and respect. Daemon is a similar tragic character.
Alicent and Otto might've been scheming the whole time, but at least Alicent cared for her kids and always tried to comfort Aemond. Even after Lucerys cuts out his eye, Alicent is literally the only person in the room that speaks up for her son, while Viserys tries to defend Rhaenyra and her ilk. The only parent that Aemond had was Alicent, and possibly even Ser Criston. In the video, I try to point out how Ser Criston was almost like a father figure to him - training him on how to fight skillfully with a sword, listening to him when he vented about his desires to be king (which could be interpreted as treasonous in the wrong ears), and even sticking up for him and his brother throughout their lives. It will make more sense in the second season, but Ser Criston really does love those kids like they are his own.
@@thecriticalmaester9702 Did she? Seemed like all she cared about was making aegon king. She didnt give a damn about aegon. She was focused on trying please her twisted father.
@@williamhermann6635 Two things can be true at once: Alicent was trying to install her son, Aegon, on the Iron Throne; and she cared for Aemond and wanted to protect him. I don't see how those things are mutually exclusive. 🤔
There's literally no evidence (both on the show and in the book) that Alicent ever neglected Aemond. In fact, it's very telling that whenever Aemond is in trouble he always goes to his mother for comfort. He does this after the scene in the Dragonpit in episode 6, and he does this after Luke cuts out his eye in episode 7.
@@thecriticalmaester9702 Of course Aemond runs to mommy. Everything he did was for his parents' acceptance. Doesnt make Alicent the mother of the year. She was just as bad a parent as Otto was to her. The Hightower family business is to treat their children like nothing more than pawns in a game.
To say Rhaenyra planned on killing her siblings as soon as her father died is a bit extreme in either the books or the show. In both cases did she care for them? Nah, Did she understand that they could challenge her claim? Yeah, But did she ever clearly or openly attempt to kill one of them before their father's death? No.
As for him being evil, I have to agree and say he isn't. That being said when he went after Luke he was a grown man who depending on the version wanted to scare a child with a living nuke or just wanted to kill him. It was his choice.
If Rhaenyra wanted to kill her own brothers, then I don't think that it's something that she would've said openly, especially given how taboo kinslaying is in Westeros. However, it's very possible that she could've harboured those dark thoughts and let them fester inside her mind, and I think that that makes her very much capable of murdering them at the end of the day (in the book's version of her character anyway). I think that the proof of that is in Halaena's death. Obviously, Rhaenyra had a hand in her death. It's mysterious and dark, but Rhaenyra is certainly involved in it. If the show changes that, then I will further be convinced of their bias in favour of her.
Also, I pretty much agree with you on what you've said about Aemond. Him chasing after Luke and trying to scare him was a blunder, and he is responsible for Luke's death as a result of that. It indeed was Aemond's choice to do that. However, Luke is no innocent in the matter either. He literally bullied that boy for years, and Aemond did nothing to retaliate before. Luke has constantly teased him, goaded him, laughed at him, and has even mutilated him, so I can't blame Aemond for finally snapping.
It's less that Rhaenyra would do so herself and more that Daemon would, even if she objected. I think the show actually made this fear even more well-founded for both the characters and the audience; there's no way that Otto and Alicent wouldnt be thinking about what the Rogue Prince would do to the Green kids after the way he acted in Lord of the Tides
@@thecriticalmaester9702 that's quite a lot of speculation you seem to be attributing to Rhaenyra and her intentions to murder her half-siblings. Contrarily, Otto and members of the green faction outright plan to murder Rhaenyra and her children before the news of Viserys's death can even reach them. One is conjecture, the other actually happened. Also, it's strange that you mention the teasing of Aemond for not having a dragon, but not fail to mention Aemond's tendency to bully Rhaenyra's kids for something far more serious. Whether it's true or not is not really relevant here. Also, it's been shown that it's either Viserys or Aegon who are often the ones bullying Aemond the most, so I'm not really sure what you're getting at there.
I don't view Aemond as a villain as there aren't really one-note characters in asoiaf, but you seem to be coloring Rhaenyra as such in defense of Aemond and the Greens. No one is actually innocent or completely guilty during the dance, as that's basically the whole point. It was a pointless war fought over silly bickering that ended with thousands dead, the dragons basically gone, and the Targs a shell of their former selves - weak and vulnerable, primed for Robert's Rebellion in the main series.
@@KingKong11730 Jace and Luce bullied Aemond for not having a dragon and Aemond called them bastards (or strongs) which they actually were. Everyone knew the truth although noone could say it since the truth would wound Rhaenyra's pride and accuse her of high treason. Even if we put that aside, the greens were definitely going to die if Rhaenyra ascends the throne. According to Daemon's reasoning even if they didn't rebel against Rhaenyra's succession that still doesn't mean they won't rebel LATER. Plus they were males- who would be favoured by traditional westerosi standards as successors. Why keep a knife hanging down your head when you can easily remove it after gaining absolute authority aka after Rhaenyra becomes the ruler. Rhaenyra might not have immediately jumped to agree on Daemon's plan but she was a cunning woman, not a fool. As time passed, she would definitely agree with his plan to get rid of them. She would mourn them for a bit as they caused no troubles to her (supposedly if they don't oppose her like they in canon) and then move ahead. That's it. When Alicent was married to Viserys and gave birth to 3 sons, their fate were already sealed. The Alicent- Viserys marriage should not have taken place in the first place.
How is sneaking out and claiming a dead mothers dragon directly after her funeral not a bad thing?
A dragon is not an heirloom!!! Anybody can claim one at any time. They have free will and they will choose who gets to ride them.
@@thecriticalmaester9702 say dragons were houses. Would you want someone to buy your deceased mothers house before you had a chance to offer?
@@joshuagause941 But that's the point: they're not houses. In fact, they are not property at all. They have free will. They choose the rider as much as the rider gets to choose them, and Vhaegar chose Aemond as his rider. He did nothing wrong, in my opinion anyway.
@@thecriticalmaester9702 they are property if no one but the rider can ride them. Aren’t they bonded until death. In no story has a dragon said I want a new rider someone come claim me.
@@joshuagause941Aemond didn't take Vhagar by force, he won her. Aemond approached Vhagar, Vhagar tested him acc to her standards and liked what she saw. Thus she chose him. She was kept in Driftmark as she was riderless but she doesn't belong to house Velaryon or any other houses. She belongs only to her rider and his/her house by association. With Laena dead, Vhagar was kept there but she was not a dragon of House Velaryon. And knowing Vhagar she too didn't oppose to living there but that still doesn't make her a family heirloom that would be passed to Rhaena/ Baela. She has her own choice in the matter and by choosing Aemond she made it
Where does the book or show say that Luke had a V. steel blade?
Didn't Luke cut him with the same dagger that Alicent tried to stab Rhaenyra with?
@@NaphakadeTheGoat canonically, that doesn’t make sense? How does the heir to Driftmark get the kings personal dagger for one night? I am pretty sure it was just a regular steel dagger
@@Vkammp He could have filched it from his grandfather or something. Those boys are cunning enough to do that, and theyknew that they wouldn't get in trouble for it because Viserys never scolds them, not even when they cut out his sons eye.
@@NaphakadeTheGoat I’m mean, sure he could have, I just seriously doubt that. If you rewatch both scenes where Aemond loses his eye, and Rhaynera gets stabbed; Luke’s blade looks significantly shorter than Viserys.
Lol @ these comments 😂
There has to be a lot of Green stans here(tho willingly being a Green stan is suspect within itself 😬).... Blaming everyone except the 🤡 who did the deeds smh. Objectively, I don't understand how u wouldn't think the fool isn't evil.
He's also just 1 of the dullest characters in this world 🤷🏿♂️
THANK YOU! This comment section is so fucking braindead, Green stans are probably the biggest morons I've had to encounter in this fandom. 🤦🏽♀
Team black calling greens dull while all of Rhaenyra and Daemons kids could easily have been replaced with cardboard versions without anybody noticing 😂
@@pg1448the kids are twins. Weird two pairs of twins. Don't actually know their names.
Ps. Vogue didn't think so. And thousands of fanfiction begg to differ.
Dude even thogh i love some of the blacks,the greens would make better rulers,they have an experienced hand,no bastards and a male heir wich avoid a lot of conflict,while rhaenyra has bastards,daemon as a consort which is very dangerous and only has corlys has a good advisor which she often ignores
For me though i would rather to see Syrax got killed killing other dragons instead of fighting mobs. And no spoil but my poor Meleys, Caraxes and Aemond should have arrive or Jace and Vermax should arrive there.
And there would be possible chance that Meleys will leave since she is going to deal with Vhagar abd Vermax will going to have a sky dance with Sunfyre since both are very aggressive and cunning dragons.
As a green, Aemond is evil. Not only is he evil, he's also 100% why they lose. He's like the Daemon of this side, but dumber. Given this, it goes without saying that he goes against a lot of what his team stands for regarding Kingship.
I really liked him pre time skip and he has that cool factor post time skip too but when you look at him using objective metrics it really doesn't look good. Viserys was a terrible father who clearly disliked all his sons (for not being Aemma) though he never said it. This clearly hurt Aegon more who actually cared. Aemond never did, or at least didn't care about what his father thought of him so Viserys' neglect didn't affect him as much. Even despite this, Aemond did have just cause to despise him.
What you think of Tyrek Lannister? And The final of Sansa in The books?
I will be doing a video on Sansa in the future. She is far more fascinating in the books, so I want to talk about why that is and where her narrative could go in the future. But for now, I have other videos planned out that I need to write and publish...
The mystery of Tyrek Lannister is also quite fascinating to me. Personally, I think that he's dead... or maybe he'll return in the Winds of Winter as a harder man. Maybe he'll help Cersei to rule with an iron fist and raise an army to oppose FAegon. Who knows? 😅🤷♂
@@thecriticalmaester9702 Sansa is one of the best characters in the song
@@thecriticalmaester9702 Tyrek is Chekhov's pistol. I'm almost certain that Littlefinger has a hand in this, he could be Lord Gyles' mysterious heir in disguise and is being blackmailed, not to mention that Bronn must have his hand too. This would help a lot in controlling Blackwater Bay. Or it was Varys who hid it.
@@thecriticalmaester9702 But what will be Sansa's final fate with Harry Hardying? Victarion, I think he's turning into a fire zombie similar to Melisandre, I think he can't die anymore because he's dead.
OK here I am talking about the BOOK:
Didnt Aemond (10years) first beat up 3years old Joff and pushed him into dragon-shit? I mean he is almost a Baby wtf?
And when his brothers (5years,6years) came for revenge he EASILY gained the upper hand savagly beat Jace until the young Luke (5years) freaked out because he thought his brother could die and slashed his face with a dagger? (BTW: wearing a dagger is very normal in this medievalish world, so I dont think they brought the dagger on purpose).
Sure, the Greens are being portrayed REALLY poorly by Netflix .. but Aemond seems to be an asshole right from the start and the red keep´s environment helped foster his bad character-traits.
Though I can at the same time feel for him being neglected and overseen by his unloving and incapable father.
Then again Aemond wanted no beef with them, he was just trying to claim Vhagar. Who do the strong boys think they are that they want to gatekeep Vhagar from Aemond? He is the kings son and a Targaryen prince. Joffrey should have kept his mouth shut. And afterwards they were waiting for him armed with wooden swords and attacked him and he still overpowered them and gave them a good beating wich they pretty much were asking for. As in the show Rhaenyra's brats had really no business meddling with Aemond's business in the first place, so why are they justified?
Exactly!
Do you want another Jon Snow? How did that end? Aemond is the most interesting thing /person for me in HOD, no on will hold a candle to HIM EVER.
@@michaelnkomphela8231 ok, if the readers of my comment are not convinced by the argument that he savagely beat up far younger kids when he could have stopped far earlier I guess nothing can cure you guys from your crush on Aemond😅
@@arturleperoke3205 umm, savagely beaten? Where are the scars? On with page of the book did it happen? Crushing on Aemond is inevitable. Ps. I did see disgusting Daemon and Rhaenera f***at Leana's funeral. Why did they choose such old and ugly actors?
Where does it say that Luc was carrying a valyrian steel dagger??
I might've made a mistake there. I thought that the dagger that Luke uses is the same one that Alicent used to try and shank Rhaenyra. Regardless, it's still pretty messed up that Luke tried to take the boy's eye, whether or not the blade was Valyrian steel or not.
@@thecriticalmaester9702 I know what you are saying. I was shocked because I thought I missed that detail in the books.
🤷🏽♂️He did call them bastards...
But they were
1. It was TRUE - Rhaenyra's children are bastards.
2. Does that justify mutilation??? 🤔
They are BASTARDS!!!!!!!!!!
Yes, after they physically attacked him
And where is the lie? Love how the guys speaking the truth are the villains in this while they were the heroes in got
Is Almond good?
No. Just broken.
So what luke was carrying a blade ? Every prince does . Aemond was gonna hit his brother in the head with a rock . Who tf would sit and watch that . I like aemond but he had that one coming maybe the other girl should’ve claimed vhagar them self but he took that to the extreme and seems more like the bully then the bullied in that situation .
Yawn.
😂. You my friend are the definition of a blinded team black fan you are mad that aemond picked up a rock to defend himself but you ignore the fact that lucerys actually came prepared with the knife. He was already planning on killing or disfiguring aemond even before the fight started. If you watch the scene again you will see that lucerys pulled out the knife when aemond called them bastards. This was before he picked up the stone
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While I have some fair criticisms of the show I.E Criston killing Joffrey right in front of everyone and no one caring as well as Rhaenys popping out of the Dragonpit and *not* roasting the Greens, I do think it did a fairly decent job with Aemond.
So Rheyneys popping out of dragon pit, without injury, also killing 100ths of bystanders is big girl boss moment for you? . BLACK FAN COMMENTING PEOPLE. They reason we don't get to see Sunfyre.
So Aemind did terrible things to his enemy. No, no it doesn't make him a bad guy for that.
A villain is a villain, regardless of what leads them to villainy. But that's not to say that he doesn't have his own tragic background to explain what pushed him to where he ultimately ended up.
And at the end of the day, even when it's written by the Maesters, the history of Westeros is at best a very colored and biased Accounting in favor of whomever happens to be on The Winning Side of whatever conflict is in question.
Interesting. 🤔
what do you mean dance of the dragon? drogon is not live in that era
Mom @Dreamfyre, she was around.
Aemond is what I'd call necessary evil; he and Ser Criston are the backbone of the Green faction. Otto is mostly a political animal, Aegon II is a figurehead, Helaena and Alicent are there for popular support. So while Aemond might seem a tad bit harsh, he's the Green faction's answer to Daemon Targaryen. And he's a necessary answer, since there are hard times coming, which means hard mean are needed.
100% he is! So are his mother and his grandfather. AT least if you actually acknowledge the bookverse, and that badly written, high-budget fanfiction Warner Bros is currently peddling.
Wait! If we're in a fight it is what it is! There's no right or wrong way to fight are you serious right now? All of them bad ass kids need to be punished equally for fighting. But we're not going to say Aemond didn't start this, honestly he was winning.
I'd also like to point out this thing everyone has with the books and the show is getting old. We don't know what happened, we have ACCOUNTS. This is the retelling, the real true version of the story.
He was wrong for being rude to Rhaena and Baela, but he wasn't in the wrong for fighting back against his 4 attackers. What else was he supposed to do? Fight back gently? Ask them nicely to stop? Stay on the ground and pray for them to stop hitting him?
He was rude, but he didn't initiate the violence. He even started backing off when the others were backing off, until Jace pulled out the knife and started slashing it at him after he called him “Lord Strong”.
He is a young man that delights in the limitless power that a dragon grants, however defined by revenge towards the slights received and the bitterness and hate fed by spoon from the faction he is part of, he is raised to be a weapon in the short span of his 21 years and has been left with no space for a life out of the idea of conflict that needs to come if Aegon wants to be King.
Septon Meribalds speech of "Broken Men".
"The singers love to sing of good men forced to go outside the law to fight some wicked lord, but most outlaws are more like this ravening Hound than they are the lightning lord (Beric Dondarrion). **They are evil men, driven by greed, soured by malice, despising the gods and caring only for themselves** [...] **They’ve heard the songs and stories, so they go off with eager hearts, dreaming of the wonders they will see, of the wealth and glory they will win. War seems a fine adventure, the greatest most of them will ever know** ."
We are made by HOTD to empathise with young Aemond arguing that he has no dragon and thus being bullied for it. However the show forgets that most Targaryens hadn't had a dragon until they were of age 16, 20 or even older like Maegor, Aegon the Uncrowned, Aemon, Baelon, Alyssa, Rhaenys, Daemon, Viserys and Laena and so on. Aemond is not a single case of a poor boy helpless and bullied if one is to take the world-building GRRM spent 30 years developing, that the show reduces so to fit the company's entertainment business and answer to their GoT already paved path.
Fire & Blood goes on to explain how does Aegon, Aemond and Daeron grew in the Red Keep. Many are just as likely to make a blind eye saying "it's a history book" but people forget that this style allows GRRM to fuse first hand witnesses, second hand written accounts and omniscient narrator so to achieve his goal to expand his own universe setting the rules that will affect his main timeline book series.
**They are evil men, driven by greed, soured by malice, despising the gods and caring only for themselves**
"The enmity between Queen Alicent and Princess Rhaenyra was **passed on to their sons**, and the queen’s three boys, the Princes Aegon, Aemond, and Daeron, grew to be bitter rivals of their Velaryon nephews, **resentful of them for having stolen what they regarded as their birthright: the Iron Throne itself.** "
"[Aemond:] You came here as a craven and a traitor. I will have your eye or your life, Strong. And **with his death, the war of ravens** and envoys and marriage pacts **came to an end, and the war of fire and blood began** in earnest."
Initial response to the war: Daemon insists, “We must fight this war with words before we go to battle,” while Aemond guarantees bloodshed by murdering his nephew Lucerys, who was traveling as an envoy.
Aemond had been riding his dragon for 11 years when he supposedly "fails to control", but Daenerys is riding Drogon in the books for the 1st time. A dragon is not a slave, but the bond between dragon and dragonrider is magic and strong and proof of that is the loyalty dragons and dragonriders show to themselves during the Targaryen dragon era and before during Valyrian empire. Otherwise we wouldn't have the dragonlore that we are given in World of Ice and Fire and the little tidbits of Septon Barth accounts. Also Aemond and Aegon public display of rejoice and feast the same time Otto and Alicent chastised them and are fired because of it is a first hand account, being witnessed by the small council and the court. Treating this obvious verifiable display as a "fake history" is just ridiculous.
**They’ve heard the songs and stories, so they go off with eager hearts, dreaming of the wonders they will see, of the wealth and glory they will win. War seems a fine adventure, the greatest most of them will ever know**
Aemond delighted in wearing the crown of his bedridden brother: “It looks better on me than it ever did on him.”
Seizing of Harrenhal: While Daemon takes Harrenhal in a “ **bloodless fall** ,” taking its inhabitants as hostages. Aemond slaughters every boy and man with Strong blood after hearing of KL’s fall, creating **a heap of heads “three feet tall.** ”
Daemon is rumored to take the young dragonseed Nettles as his lover, but he sends her away to keep her safe and to lure Aemond by lessening the number of dragons. Aemond takes the bastard Alys Rivers as his lover and “ **prize of war** ” by his own words bringing her with him to his final battle with Daemon. Aemond goes in assured of his victory and the glory he imagines will come with it, considering Balerion of 140 wiped Quicksilver of Aegon the Uncrowned and before him of Aenys. Vhagar was 130 years old while Caraxes was much younger being born for Aemon and later claimed by Daemon upon his uncle's death.
Lol. Yawn, learn shorter paragraphs. Rhaenera was 7 when she claimed a dragon, thus younger than Dany. Aemond ruled 12 months, called himself Prince Regent. Now I want to go to Mars, offered my uterus to E. Musk=will I go to mars=no. Cupcake in book Aemond had absolute control on Vagar the day Arrrax was chompped on. Go and check facts ffs. Stepstones whiteflag Daemon =loser. Killing person from behind=loser. Fucking 13 year old girls=loser. Daemon did all this, you should attempt to learn to read. Start with A. B. C.
@@michaelnkomphela8231 Mfr barely knows how to write an essay, not going to tell me about ABC.
Rhaenyra was younger, Aemond was younger than Daenerys too and had 10 years riding Vhagar. So yeah, he killed a 13 y o boy because he felt entitled to it, when Aemond initiated everything by beating the crap of Joffrey of 3 yo (Big L beating a baby) in Driftmark according to the books. Not you fanfiction of a show: I am not the one that needs to Read lmao.
The Stepstones weren't won on a single and last battle get your facts on the books big head. It is only 40 USD buy it and read it before commenting shit. Also ASOIAF marriage and sexual age is lower than real world bc GRRM settings kind of 12th century. Daemon was 29 and Rhaenyra 14 not 13, and only rumours bc It is said also that Rhaenyra gave her maidenhood to Harwin Strong. People live according to their time's moral codes, or not like Aegon who even in the books was catalogued by maesters and septons as a s3xual harasser, so him being a r4p1st is not that far off. Considering that Alicent made him couple with his 13 y o sister and Helaena birthing twins at 14 (younger than Rhaenyra), the same time he got his mother's maidservant with a bastard and another in a brothel. If he was seen in public feasts harassing the servants girls with his unwarranted touch, then behind close doors one could only infer.
Read the mf book or you'll end like D&D and all those sh1t heads that read a thing and understand something unhinged resulting on HOTD.
@michaelnkomphela8231 Mfr barely knows how to write an essay, not going to tell me about ABC.
Rhaenyra was younger, Aemond was younger than Daenerys too and had 10 years riding Vhagar. So yeah, he killed a 13 y o boy because he felt entitled to it, when Aemond initiated everything by beating the crap of Joffrey of 3 yo (Big L beating a baby) in Driftmark according to the books. Not you fanfiction of a show: I am not the one that needs to Read lmao.
The Stepstones weren't won on a single and last battle get your facts on the books big head. It is only 40 USD buy it and read it before commenting shit. Also ASOIAF marriage and sexual age is lower than real world bc GRRM settings kind of 12th century. Daemon was 29 and Rhaenyra 14 not 13, and only rumours bc It is said also that Rhaenyra gave her maidenhood to Harwin Strong. People live according to their time's moral codes, or not like Aegon who even in the books was catalogued by maesters and septons as a s3xual harasser, so him being a r4p1st is not that far off. Considering that Alicent made him couple with his 13 y o sister and Helaena birthing twins at 14 (younger than Rhaenyra), the same time he got his mother's maidservant with a bastard and another in a brothel. If he was seen in public feasts harassing the servants girls with his unwarranted touch, then behind close doors one could only infer.
Read the mf book or you'll end like D&D and all those sh1t heads that read a thing and understand something unhinged resulting on HOTD.
Viserys was just trying to reinforce Rhae and her childrens' legitimacy. Kinda sweet really, he knew whispers of bastardy would delegitimize her.
Sweet? Yes, he protected Rhaenyra by severely traumatizing his other children and making it clear that he valued Rhaenyra’s reputation more than his other children’s physical safety.
He didn't show any concern for Aemond, who had just been attacked and maimed, even though his wife, the Queen, publically begged him to care. Instead, he let Rhaenyra threaten him with torture, then he interrogated him and his brother, and finally, he threatened to maim anyone (including all of his non-Rhaenyra children and their mother) if they did what his maimed child had just done. Viserys helped his adult daughter make his 10-year-old son being severely injured and permanently disabled into an example and threat.
@@mariavi33 The reality of the situation is that the bastard rumors are indeed treason even if they're true. The Crown Prince can be a c*nt and r*pist but it's treason and certainly not smart to say. When you make those accusations you better be ready to back it up or defend it with your body and soul. He really shouldn't have lost his eye, but do you honestly believe he would have let those insults slide if it were his legitimacy called into question? Do you believe anyone else would have stood by if someone called them a b*astard? Rhaenyra was wrong for asking to torture him... but did she call for the Lord confessor? Did she take the knife and threaten to carve his tongue out? Did she try to haul him off to the dungeon? Did she keep asking for it after her dad said it was over? No. No she did not.
@@mariavi33Viserys is the second worst Targaryen king, behind only Aerys. Though even that is debatable, because the latter, while managing to bring down the Targaryen dynasty and nearly getting all of them exterminated, at least had an excuse of being insane.
Aemond is a victim of a horrible maiming, but that doesn’t make him completely innocent either, he wanted things that others didn’t want him to have and he did horrible things to get them, only ever regretting the consequences of his actions when they came back to bite him in the ass, his intent at this point is irrelevant, only the result matters now, in season 2, we are going to see him butcher innocent people, break a betrothal his family paid in blood for, burn entire villages to the ground and use his older brother as a meat shield, make no mistake, he will be a evil villain by the end of this story.
Aemond after that ambush he practicaly was destined to become a kinsalyer he probably didn't care anymore for his family i wouldn't be surprised if he would have killed Viserys if he didn't die of sickness
Idk if he'd go that far, but yes, he was very angry his whole life... and it's understandable why he would be. His dad was a dick.
Why kill Viserys? Much move fun watching him fade day by day. 😊Aemond is pretty.
Good ol Aemon One Eye! Idk if he’s bad or not but i’m just about sure he’s great in bed. The better question is who is better him or his uncle? They’re both so cool, but probably Aemon because Daemon is kind of more of a selfish ass and i imagine that’d come thru in bed. Hmm.
lmafo now after watching the video, i feel my comment is horrifically off topic and weird thematically, but also quite funny.
i support aemond
Villains are made not born
Not any more then daemon
Bro wasn't even a vilain.
I have a feeling that Visenya never lost control of Vhagar the same way Aemond did.
Rhaenyra was the real villain.
He's just bitter. 😅😂
Aemond - the real Bittersteel 😅
All targs are bad, simple as
Team green baby !!!!
Considering that once Rhaenera findsout that Aegon has been crowned and her first instinct is to charge Otto and Alicent with treason and let her half siblings go if they kneel to her shows that she was never going to kill them....plus kinslaying is a taboo and the highest crimes in Westoros
The real villians here are Alicent and Otto for filling their children with hate and paranoia for their own sister instead of embracing Rhaenera and honoring Viserys wishes they lead to Aemond losing his eye also in the books and show Aemond was the instigator of both conflicts the books it's worse as he pushed a 3yr old Joffery on dragon dodo before mounting Vhaeghar
Also side note Daenerys authorizes the torture of a bar tender and his adult daughters who also worked in that bar after 4 unsullied were poisoned in his bar so the dude was pretty guilty
I think that Alicent and Otto were just trying to protect the children from Rhaenyra, a person that they genuinely thought would harm them if she ever came into power.
I mean, look at it from their perspective: Rhaenyra has never really liked her siblings because they've pushed her further and further away in the line of succession, and when Aemond loses an eye, Rhaenyra pushes to have him tortured. How is that not clear intention to do Alicent's children harm? Even if Aemond pushed the boy in dragon doodoo, that doesn't justify them beating him with wooden swords and then mutilating him, and it doesn't justify Rhaenyra's request to have him tortured. It's a ludicrous request, and clear proof for Alicent and Otto of Rhaenyra's villainy.
Also, I don't think that just because the Unsullied were poisoned in his bar that he is automatically guilty. A lot of things could've happened to lead to the soldiers being poisoned, things that the bartender was probably not aware of. Maybe one of his daughters fell in love with one of the vigilantes and helped him to poison the Unsullied whilst the father wasn't there. Maybe the vigilantes threatened the father and his daughters to allow them to poison the drinks. Maybe the drinks were poisoned without the bartender or his daughters knowledge. Dany doesn't investigate any of this, and she doesn't allow for a fair trial to take place where the man can voice his side of the story, she just goes straight to torture.
@@thecriticalmaester9702alicent was a lot older in the books and I feel the second she had a child and it was a son that they started plotting. In the books Alicent it’s a true villain along with Otto imo. Rhaenyra never showed that she was going to Kinslay as she saw it as the ultimate taboo, and even when she takes Kings Landing, she beheads Otto (whoop!) but literally spares Alicent “for the love her late fathers sake”
And in the books Aemon was totally painted as a villain like one of the rumors is he literally brought back Luce’s eyes to storms end. Like also when he went to claim the drug and he literally did it at a funeral like I get that he got the dragon and that she chose him but still who wouldn’t be furious about that? And he was tacky little kids when he was older. Just going to have to agree to disagree on this. The show has definitely made him more interesting but it’s obvious he hasn’t spent the proper time bonding with his dragon the way that like rhaenyra, daemon, and hell even luc. Arrax doing the fire blast was unfortunate, but aemon was old enough to know better, and he essentially was teasing a child through a horrible store with a nuclear weapon, and then couldn’t even control his dragon. couldn’t get the dragon to steer off course and all that. I do like the show his written him better, but with the exception of a few people, everyone in the books is grey imo. Except Alicent and Otto. And even Vis 1 by incompetence and negligence.
Hopefully not too many typos in this as I just woke up but I think he’s going to own it in the show in public because he can’t let people know he lost control of his dragon like it just seems like he doesn’t have that strong of a bond with her And only sees her as a war machine.
Aldo yes rhaenyra was in the wrong for wanting him question sharply, but Allison and Otto had been telling those children their ENTIRE lives that their sister was a whore and a horrible person and all that like I also blame Alicent for that incident because she ultimately sowed the seeds of Discord. In the book I feel she was truly evil.
@@thecriticalmaester9702Otto is the one who manipulated Alicent into thinking that. And it was actually Otto who wanted Rhaenyra's kids death, and never Rhaenyra. Your biases are showing. And it actually was Alicent's team that killed her children first. Rhaenyra even says her siblings are not in fault until Luke died. But keep acting this biased lol
Spoken like a true black
No. He's not evil. He's a neglected second son whom has to work 3x as hard to get a fraction of the respect Aegon takes for granted.
Claiming Vhagar gave him a huge power boost, and if he couldn't get respect in a civil way, now he could get respect via fear.
I HATE the Greens (except Helenae), but the Strong Boys made their own bed, teasing him relentlessly- Viserys, Aegon, Luc, Jace, all had a hand in making him an aggressive, unpredictable personality, something he sees and admires in his Uncle Daemon.
Totally agree 💯
@@thecriticalmaester9702Great video and a thoughtful question. When people talk about "The Battle Above The God's Eye" I think they imagine two bitter foes.. personally, I think there is a great deal of respect between the two, and it's more akin to a duel between Aurthur Dayne and Jaime Lannister- One is older, more experienced, and is a hero to the younger.
I think it was a battle of respect, which is why Daemon didn't lock in his saddle, because he knew he was going to have to use unorthodox methods to have a chance against Vhagar.
I don't think Aegon gets much respect either, it's just that Aegon doesn't even try to earn it. It's clearly Rhaenyra who was the golden child in the family and by extension her bastards. At least in their fathers eyes.
Even in books I support aemond and don't call lucerys valeryon he is not a valeryon he is a strong bastard
EXACTLY. A BASTARD IS A BASTARD, IT DOESN'T MATTER IF THE KING SAYS OTHERWISE, THE KING'S WORD UNFORTUNATELY CANNOT CHANGE THE TRUTH AND THIS IS WHY I BELIEVE THIS IS ALL VISERYS FAULT.
@@jkbzz yes And being a bastard is matter because a bastard can't inherent his family seat and he can't have the family name
@@debamlyabanerjee4067 VISERYS'S WEAKNESS, A KING WHO COULD NOT CALL HIS BITCH OF A DAUGHTER TO ORDER OR REPRIMAND HER, CAUSED ALL OF THIS.
I AM NOT SAYING THE HIGH TOWERS WERE RIGHT, BUT THE FACT THAT VISERYS WOULD CHOOSE RHANERYA DESPITE HER MANY MISGIVINGS OVER ALICENTS CHILDREN WAS JUST POOR JUDGMENT AND STUPIDITY.
IF HE HAD TOLD RHANERYA SHE WOULD NOT INHERIT HIS THRONE DUE TO HER INDISCRETION WHICH LED TO THOSE BASTARDS BEING BORN, SHE WOULD NOT HAVE CHALLENGED IT AND NO ONE WOULD HAVE SUPPORTED HER ANYWAY.
HER ONLY CLAIM TO THE THRONE IS THE ONE HER FATHER GAVE TO HER BUT IN REALITY ACCORDING TO THE LAWS OF THAT TIME SHE LOST THAT CLAIM AND SHE KNOWS IT.
@@jkbzz It seems you feel this bigoted why about anyone born out of wedlock in real-life since you're so enraged about it in fiction.
@@outlawssweetheart 🤷
Yes hes a villain. Just because we understand why doesn't change that. Say he isnt the villain when he and Vhagar ar ravaging the innocent small folk of the riverlands. And in the book, he was 10 and it was only Jace Luc and the baby, ages 6, 5 & 3. Luc only pulls out his dagger when Aemond gets the upper hand and is about to take the 3 y old out and began mothing off about Strongs. Not defending any of them.
Also, even before this night Aemond knew that Visaerys would cut out tongues- he said so quite frequently- but he continuously says these things. Knowing what tje outcome may be. And if he was continuously warned about Rhaenyra, why didn't he push it? Because he DID know his father would save him.
Dont get me wrong, Rhaenyra is bo saint and yes, i caught the question sharply.
I just feel sorry for the Dragons ❤ lol
Did he groom his niece?
That was Daemon (their uncle).
wRONG tARGARYEN. You're thinking about Daemon.This is about Aemond. The names can get quite confusing, though, so I get it. 😅
His actions are largely that of a villain, not that he's lacking in company in that regard. Sympathetic or not, his motuvations are neither here nor there.
No
Yes he is. He burns innocents in the riverlands.
Visenya's did burn a lot of castles as well. 😂😂😂