Why Separatists are on the Rise in Spain
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Polling in Spain suggests that separatist parties could win big in upcoming regional elections in Catalonia and the Basque Country. So what does this mean for Spain following a hung parliament last year? And could we see a push for independence votes?
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CORRECTION: At 3:05, we describe Francina Armengol as a Catalan native. As commenters have pointed out, this isn't quite correct - she is in fact from the Balearic Islands, where Catalan is widely spoken. Apologies for this sloppy error, and we hope you nonetheless enjoyed the video.
All good!
All BAD!
If you cannot tell Languages from citizenship, I guess every English-speaking Irish is an Englishman.
Catalan native speaker whould be good enough.
In the Balearic Islands, four dialects of Catalan are spoken: Mallorquin, Menorquin, Ibicecenco and Formenterense, in fact. Can do better C+. đ€Ł
âI am firmly convinced that Spain is the strongest country of the world,
Century after century trying to destroy herself and still no successâ
spain is not a country ,, its just like austrian hungary empire and yugoslavia
@@utkarshverma7 And the UK, they are imperial sovereign states, my country is Scotland not Britain.
@@thevis5465 I don't remember anyone forcing James Stuart to become king of England and I don't remember anyone forcing the Scottish parliament to sign the acts of union. Scotland even had a referendum and voted to stay. Scotland may well leave when the next referendum occurs but it's disingenuous at best to pretend Scotland was forced into the UK against its will and can't leave.
The fact you're comparing the UK to Austria-Hungary and Yugoslavia makes you a disgusting person considering the thousands of people who were genocided during the Balkan wars. The situations are incomparable.
@@utkarshverma7Or like France (occitan, breton, corsican, basque, catalan, flemish) or italy (sardinian, ladin, italian dialects that are as distinct as languages) or the UK (welsh, scottish, and you massacred every other language)
As a matter of fact, multiple languages are not a Spain-exclusive thing
@@Eltener123 I think Scotland _was_ forced to sign the Act of Union, but by their bankruptcy after the failure of the Nova Scotia colony, not by the English.
"Here lies half of Spain, it was killed by the other half."
- Mariano José de Larra (1836)
I thought that was Ireland.
Carlistbros stay winning
The same thing applied almost exactly 100 years later
Told in the height of the first Carlist War: (1833-1840)
Short answer: No
Long Answer:
omg sejozwak can you gyatt my sigma
Worry about tldr's increasing reliance on clickbait title images
Last year has seen a shift in their coverage.
@@danielstewart8339 from what? sorry i have not been keeping up with this channel
The video titles function more like sub headlines with the text in image being the headline. Clickbait implies misleading or sensationalising. âCould spain break apart?â Is snappier and - admittedly - more urgent than âwhy separatists are on the rise in Spainâ, but not unreasonably or misleadingly so. Separatist parties winning pluralities in regional elections does make the prospect of succession referendums, and these regions breaking from Spain, more credible. There is nuance, and such referendums are hardly a done deal, which is explained in the video, but I donât think that in itself makes the headline clickbait.
@@yixiuss eh, maybe just vibes, but a lot more of âwhat if the worst case scenarioâ/more clickbaity then before. Ive enjoyed the channel for awhile, but I think theyâve kinda fallen into a rhythm.
@@johndick5298 personally I think âSpain falling apartâ is pretty baity compared to âbig issues leads to rise in local/regional partiesâ.
Guys, what happened here? Usually your analysis might not be ultra-depth, but are right. In this case, though, there are quite a lot of failures. From Catalonia part: Armengol is from Mallorca, not Catalonia. The referendum thing is usual election talk, but no formal initiative had been taken (nor will be, because support for separation in Catalonia is in historical minimum and separatist know they will lose it. Maybe when the right wing is in government they have a chance), and Puigdemont have as much a chance of being president of the Generalitat as Richard Tice to be PM. BTW: the only party bringing the immigration to the forefront is Junts, being very right wing as they are. The government will be of Socialist party with support of ERC, and that is already well known unless something really big happens. About the Basques: EHBildu is not an "offshot of ETA". Some parties in the coalition (particularly EH) were. Look, politics in Spain is not chaotic, is just complicated. There are more axis than just left-right, like the unitarian-plurinational. And autonomic parties move also in a gradient between autonomism and separatism. So, when an analysis this in depth is done, you need a bit more expertais, and also consult a lot of sources, because many things are heavily polarized. Some of this polarization have filtered in your analysis and it shows.
Yeah, I was really baffled at this analysis. There are so many things wrong with it, it's hard to even know where to start.
I think the problem here is the political situation in Spain can not be explain in a 10 minutes video, you need at least 1 hour only for Catalonia and explain ERC, Junts, Omnium, CUP, ANC and what not đ
As always, TLDR sucks at anything related to Spanish politics.
@@EclipseZer0 I mean, tbf Spanish journalism isn't that good either...
EHBildu is indeed an "offshot of ETA"... plus some useful idiots. And there have always been useful idiots around ETA, even in the 1970s, 1980s and 1990s. So in essence it's correct to say that EHBildu is an "offshot of ETA".
This episode is seriously behind the times. We got home đšđ” from Girona in Catalonia yesterday and follow the Spanish and Catalan press. The wave of separatism surrounding the referendum (and its aftermath) has passed, and the flavour of the moment is "increased autonomy within Spain".
Exactly. Anyone that's been following Catalan opinion polls (not voter intention polla) knows this for years now.
Catalan separatists being called "junts" or together is very ironic đ
As ironic as military dictatorships being called "junta"s, which a Spanish-speaking country must have invented.
@@OPVSNOVVMjunta in spanish might be translated as council, not much to do with togetherness
The irony is that spain is a fascist country, and the royal family is the biggest example of that. Without the fascism spain would have been a free and democratic republic today.
@@nadie516 That's enlightening, thank you!
Technically the official name is âJunts per Catalunyaâ which would be translated as âTogether for Cataloniaâ. âJuntsâ is just the abbreviation.
The real deal is not actually independence, but having a fiscal superiority compared to the rest of Spain, since these regions have always benefited from less fiscal pressure in order to attract foreign investment and industry, thus creating a feedback loop in which they have been the only ones to get richer, in detriment of the rest of Spain. Now that that reversed due to the instability brought upon by the referendum and the displacement of investment to Madrid and other regions (that have a more liberal tax code than Cataluña), they are complaining even more, and demanding special treatment. Last year Cataluña got 70.000 million ⏠in debt pardoned as part of basically blackmail to keep Sanchez in power.
About the Basque Country, it is well known that the roots of the Basque movement for independence lie in a supremacist and racist idea of the rest of Spain (look up Sabino Arana), which was later followed by the terrorists from ETA, many of whom have a voice in parliament now. It is disgusting. The real question is how long it will take for the rest of Spain to be fed up, not them.
Obviously it is far more complex, with the oppression of languages during the dictatorship and all. But it is undeniable that they have received more care and attention than the rest of Spain. In the end, it all comes down to the education and ideals passed down through the extremely manipulated educational system, that each community controls, with 0 centralization.
The real beneficiaries of these movements are the politicians, the rest of us (all of us) would only see downsides. It is also ridiculous since Spain is one of the most lenient and tolerant countries when it comes to the regional identities within. Imagine if the centralist iron fist of France was brought upon them. It is all a bunch on nonsense and hypocrisy in order to distract from the real problems haunting the country.
Just one thing, Francina Armengol is not Catalan she is from the Balearic Islands. Anotherâs key issue, the support to make Sanchez prime minister does not include support for budgets
And a third one: at 6:50 it's shown as if the coalition consist of 4 parties, while it's only made up of 2, PNV and PSOE/PSE
Isn't balearic islands and coastal valencia ethnically catalan?
â@@kemalcivelek9447NO. We speak different dialects of Catalan but we are NOT Catalan
â@@YangusianoWell, in GuipĂșzcoa is PNV + PSOE + PP. All united against EHBildu. And GuipĂșzcoa is EHBildu's stronghold. So I give them very little chance to govern the Basque Country in the near future: everybody hates them (except their own voters).
â@@kemalcivelek9447Yes. But since WWII the civilised world thinks that ethnicity and nationality are two very different things.
I live in Spain. Support for separatism in both Catalonia and the Basque Country ebbs and flows, and neither is likely to vote in the majority for independence. Basques actually already have a sweet fiscal deal, expect Catalonia to seek the same.
As a Portuguese citizen I wish everything goes well for Spain although I'm not exactly certain what going well would be.
We both have a rise in far right parties
@@gonzalotorneralonso417 No. There are no far right parties with any substantial support in either country. Both countries' politics are entirely dominated by far-left and socialist political parties. Chega isn't remotely far right, and nor is Vox. They're mainstream conservatives. Perhaps Ergue-te in Portugal could be described as far right, but they have little to no support, and less than 0.1% of the vote.
If something bad happened to Spain, yoink Galicia so Portugal can finally be a line on a map
Donât trust coverage of Spain or Portugal that comes from England, itâs bs.
@@VVGRestoration Stop. Do not define Portuguese politics by a warped American Overton window. Chega's regressive "conservatism" is well removed from our national consensus and well deserving of the far-right label. There is nothing "mainstream" about it. And doubly ridiculous when you label parties like BE that are barely left of typical social democracy as "far-left".
Separatism is on the rise? Really? Catalan separatist parties are polling lower today than the results they got in the 2021 regional elections. For the first time in decades the nationalists might not get a majority in the Catalan parliament. How on Earth is that a rise?
You can not determinate how much independentists there are if you dont make a referendum directly asking it, many CUP or Comuns-Sumar voters are going to vote for ERC this election and many ERC voters will vote for Junts or PSC, but thats because ERC did it pretty bad, nothing related with independentism
Exactly right none of this is new
Depending on what polls you look. Some say they will keep the majority, others don't. That won't take than between 2010-2024 there has been a separatist government and even if they lose and the socialist form a government in 4 years there could be a separatist government again. And many polls don't count Catalan Alliance (right wing populist separatist party).
Spaniard here. Contrary what it might look actually the current situation is very stable. In Catalonia the independent movement is very much in declined. There are going to be elections for the catalonian party on May 12th and everything points that the nationalist parties are not going to get the majority in the parliament (first time in a decade). Plus, the 2 main catalonian parties (ERC and Junts) just can't stop fighting with each other and there is no way they will do a coalition. They rather join the PSE (catalonian PSOE).
In the Basque country, both nationalist parties (Bildu and PNV) have made clear that they don't pursue independence but rather gaining more auto government.
Great. Nationalist party in Germany is on the decline too. - We gonna come over there and defend Spain if necessary. Puigdemon had the audacitiy to say, they wanna join EU after being independant. Not going to happen.
@@gunwu9084 you sound American
That's good to know!
Some polls say separatism will keep the majority, others don't. They have been in power between 2010-2024. In May 12 we will know if we have 4 more years. There is also Catalan Alliance that they will likely enter in Parliament.
@@arnauplanas7169 even if they get a majority there is no way they would come to an agreement (ERC and Junts).
âI am firmly convinced that Spain is the strongest country of the world. Century after century trying to destroy herself and still no success.â
- Otto von Bismarck, addressing Spain's secessionist problem.
For the last time Bismarck never said that, that quote connot be found in German
Fake quote.
Centuries after centuries? Spain as a nation was invented an created just roughly 2 centuries ago, since its first constitution, which defines itself as a nation , was manuscripted in 1812. Before it, Spain was just a kind of "Iberian Economic Community" rulled by a king that kicked out the rest of the Iberian kings, though he let each Basque territory be self ruled (independent , keeping their own parliaments and taxes), that's why the 4 Basque territories within Spain still collect their own taxes, have their own parliaments and goverments and are called "historical territories" in the current Spanish constitution of Spain (since their institutions precede to the "nation state" of Spain). French revolution invented the concept of "Nation" and homogonization, and then the brother of "King Charles of Spain" tries to copy-paste it if the spanish servants would kill his brother (then King Charles) and place him as a new king of a new invented "nation-state of Spain"....Charles lost it and only then Basques were forced to become "Spanish nationals". Which by action-reaction created the Basque National movement and other national movements .... and thus the Spanish non-national Empire gets keeps gettind fractured by the nationalism concept .... In the independence processes of the colonies of Spain in the Americas was started by people with strong Basque heritage and influence, like Simon Bolivar amongst others.... In my opinion the invention and implememtation of Spain as the current "nation-state" made it be as weak as ever for the last 2 centuries... It's first national or nationalist consutition of spain is proposed in 1812, and the current "nation-state" constitution of Spain is of 1978. As a nation Spain is "new" and even the US has a far longer and stronger "nation-state" history (simce 1788).
@@SabinJBB Are you nuts?đ€Ł
@@SabinJBB Perhaps I am misinterpreting you somewhere, but if the French Revolution invented the concept of "Nation", how did the US manage to begin its nation-state history in 1788 (arguably before the French Revolution even began)? Seems pretty unlikely they would implement a radical foreign concept so rapidly.
A shorter analysis: Rich regions want to ensure they will still be rich by political leverage
It's not only a matter of money. I'm Catalan. Spain promises some inversions in the national budget that aren't true. However, in Spain Catalan and Basque nationalist are often attacked by spanish nationalists, seeing Catalan and Basque language as something inferior and a problem to Spanish unity. Spanish police in Catalonia (luckily we have our own but they control airports, homeland security, borders, etc.) don't bother to learn our regional languages. They are different, they think different, we consider ourselves as different people, like French or Italians can be. In fact, in 1640 both Catalonia and Portugal seceded from Spain, but Spain preferred to control Catalonia and abandoned Portugal. What annoys catalans the most is a national lose, in 1714. Before we had more autonomy, more rights, but after the Succession War, Phillip V created a more united and centralized state and catalans Lost many privileges that they had before. Catalan separatism rose again after 1850-1870, when the consciousness of nation states and liberalism rose, just like German or Italian so did Catalan nationalism, not separatism, but a strong regional Catalan identity, with Catalan as its only language. In fact the Spanish language presence in Catalonia is nowadays big due to migrations from other parts of Spain.
â@@arnauplanas7169 Una clase magistral de verdades a medias
@@arnauplanas7169 Catalonia is just AndalucĂa but talking even weirder: beaches, tourists, flamenco and even toros. They banned the toros to look different, and everyone got mad about it.
Galicia, Asturias and the Basques are different cultures. No toros, no flamenco, no underage relationships. Meanwhile Catalonia is just a slight variation of standard Spain. Deal with it.
@@DudeWatIsThis You're a total ignorant about Catalonia or just a troll. Catalonia has even its own language. Catalonia is as different as Euskadi can be from Spain. I have already said why in my previous answer. Of course we have beaches... since we have the Mediterranean sea next to us... Flamenco is not part of Catalan culture, sardanes are.. But given your comment on underage relations I will assume you're a troll
@@arnauplanas7169 Pero si la sardana es igual que los bailes esos del Sur, hombre. Vente para Galicia o Asturias y verĂĄs lo que es DISTINTO, pero de verdad.
Lo que mĂĄs me molesta de vuestro separatismo (aparte de que os inventĂĄis la mitad de la historia), es que tratĂĄis al resto de España como si fuera homogĂ©nea, y hay ĂĄreas que son mucho mĂĄs distintas de la Meseta/Madrid de lo que lo es Cataluña. Vais de Ășnicos e inimitables y sĂłlo sois unos Andaluces que trabajan y hablan raro.
The islands (canary and balearic islands) we are not considered as part of Spain in the video đą
ETA was not a armed separatist group, it was a terrorist group
Indeed, they are terrorists
PP is not a nationalist right-wing party, it is a neofascist party.
Could not be both? Separatist and terrorist?
As the GAL was both terrorist and unionist.
Actually it was both, among other things
@@CZcamsMarc722 yes, and a lemon is a fruit, but you dont handle someone a lemon and say "taste this fruit"
As other have commented, this video contains so many inaccuracies that you would do well in deleting it and either making a new one or focusing on topics you know better about. Something that has not been so pointed out is that separatist/nationalist parties in Catalonia have always won the majority of seats at the election and, for the first time, they may NOT do. So what rise is this?
Are you expect credibility and professionalism from a self declared marxist "news" site?
Independentists parties may not get most of the seats, or may get them again.
Most of voters don't use to switch between unionist and independentist parties.
PSOE will rise? Probably, but Ciutadanos will probably disappear from the chamber.
they do in the Basque Autonomous Community of Euskadi, for its Basque Parliament, and for the first time in the seats allocated for Euskadi in the Spanish Parliament the Basque National parties have gotten the majority of the votes and seats.
â@@SabinJBBNot even Bildu has openly talked about independency or referendum during their campaign.
As a spanish, the idea that separatists are on the rise is completey false. In fact, they're in their utter downfall. The problem is Pedro Sanchez and his amnesty law, which puts the separatists more on top than the whole spanish population regardless where a normal spanish person is from. Separatists "are on the rise" only in paper. The only thing that puts them "in rise" is Pedro Sanchez's political ageda on dealling with catalan, basque and galician separatists, as well as russian influence.
This was one of the most poorly researched videos Iâve ever seen, as is most of the coverage from my country that comes from england suspiciously enough. Do they still see us as enemies today? Thatâs definitely how it feels like too often.
Don't you worry, all of Europe will defend Spain eventually.
Black Legend moment
Give it a rest, are you Spanish really that pathetic? we don't even think of you as the main enemy anyway, that's always been France.
English media loves to paint Spain in darker light than it actually is. Makes them feel better about their declining nation I guess.
Care to explain instead of just throwing ad hominem fallacies around?
How are people still making these videos 7 years after the refrendum
It's worth noting that what is today the Basque Country is not what the Basque Nationalists claim to be the Basque Country. For both EHBildu and PNV the Basque Country is formed by all those territories which they consider ethnically Basque (and in their view, part of the Basque Nation): Basque Community, Navarre and the Pays Basque François. The independence of the Basque Community is not what EHBildu wants.
Yeah, while catalonia just needs to vote the basque have extra steps, unifying themselves, and more, thats why bildu isnt as agresive
Obviously, all cultural/national/ethnic communities had/occupied different lands in one point of their history, it happened everywhere, because nowadays you have been taught that a given society lives within a given borders recently stablished, doesn't mean that the past historical range is non existent or has to be simply erased...
@@jonC1208 Not true, the so called "paĂŻsos catalans" go beyond Catalunya into Aragon, Valencia, France, Balearic Islands, Andorra and even Italy. The situation is not so different.
@@cacaculo-fp2ko but nobody is seriously trying to unify that, while in the basque area that unification is seem as more important than independence. Well more like a 0 step that has to be taken before
@@jonC1208 In the "Basque area" the unionists are practically non existent in the French Basque Country. The inhabitants of the French Basque Country feel more connected historically and culturally with Bearn and Aquitaine than with Bilbao and Vitoria. In Navarre the unionists are about 25% of those who vote, and in 46 years of the Spanish Constitution (and the "DisposiciĂłn Transitoria Cuarta") the Navarrese have not wanted to join the Basque Country.
Catalonia the vast part of people is no imdependentist accord Catalan independentist goverment enquiries.
If the politically active people are like that, who cares about the rest?
â@@Omer1996E.Cthe rest are going to mobilize when it's too late, like Brexit opposers in UK.
Not according electoral results.
I don't think that our mediterranean Brothers (italian here) Will be so stupid to risk leaving the EU. If catalonia, basque, canary, whatever ever leave Spain, they Will be blocked forever from joining the EU. What for? It seems to me that it's Just posturing
The EU is already falling apart being led by incompetent people
Thing is eu wants to remove vetoe, also you understimate how bad spanish economy would after those looses, also, due to pyrenees spain would loose land conections with teh hole eu
Catalan here. We are very aware of the current situation that would form if we left Spain as of right now. It is very undesirable and extremely infuriating that Spain's last backup to force us into staying in it is to threaten to isolate us economically if we did succeed. Aldough, while this is far from an ideal situation, there's no reason to believe that Spain would be able or even want to keep Catalonia and the Basque Country out of the EU forever.
Firstly, the right to veto is as of right now being reevaluated by the entire EU, to the point that it's quite likely that it gets scrapped and substituted by qualified majority. Is such case, the accession of the newly independent countries in the EU would be very smooth and quick, since they would have already been part of the EU in the past.
Secondly, even if the right to veto stays in place and Spain decides to use it to stop the Basque Country and Catalonia, that wouldn't be something that would last forever. Denying the entry of Catalonia and the Basque Country to the EU would deteriorate Spain's image internationally, since the independent countries would be a perfect fit for the EU, but Spain just decides not to let them in because of past issues. There would be a lot of pressure from the EU to let them in, and eventually, Spain would have to step back.
Finally, we've been assuming that Spain would veto Catalonia and the Basque Country from rejoining the EU, but, why would they even do that? It isn't like they would be able to convince them to rejoin Spain by actively deteriorating their economies. Spain would gain nothing from doing something as stupid as this, so why the fuck even bother. The best course of action from Spain in a situation like this would be to try to improve its relation with their new neighbors. This would help the three countries to keep their financial relations, and it would lower the impact that Spain would suffer from such regions leaving.
All in all, I have no doubt that the situation would be dire politically, but eventually, the Basque Country and Catalonia would be able to rejoin the EU in no more than a few years.
I understand your points. The scrapping of unanimity Is more geared towards other issues in my opinion (i.e. preventing minnows like Hungary from paralyzing the whole block). Don't forget though that very few member states Will want to foster independent movements. Spain Is not the only country currently facing such issues. Just saying. Of course I don't have a crystal ball, but that's what Logic says, at least in the short term
âIt's not as simple as that. It's not just Spain that will decide whether Catalonia can join the EU. Many regions in Europe seek independence, but if Catalonia were to achieve it, it might face opposition from countries like Romania, Germany, Italy, and Belgium. This sets a precedent against EU stability and unity.
Spain could consider a federated state model like Germany's, but outright independence isn't beneficial for anyone in the EU. Addressing social and economic issues should take precedence over nationalist agendas without clear plans for succession. We shouldn't be swayed by populist ideas, as seen in the UK.
Furthermore, Barcelona would suffer economically. Many companies would relocate, prioritizing stability and EU market access over nationalist movements. Assuming Catalonia could seamlessly remain in the EU post-secession is overly optimistic.
I am surprised Tldr haven't made a single video on georgia
They have made a short video about georgia new bill and parliament brawl
@@patlotpotlot6154 where is it
@@ayushranjan9204 check it on their short youtube video page
This happens every couple of years.
The worst thing is that they are not particularly in the rise; in Catalonia for example they have lost many votes and when asked in both the basque country in Catalonia they are way below 50% of the population. What is insane is that the president is choosing to get support from them making them the most important than ever when they are on historically low support.
Failed to mention that Sanchez repeatedly claimed he would never ever form a coalition with separatists.
For over 10 years he said the same thing, all the way to months before elections. Then when he needed the extra votes. He said he âchanged his mindâ he didnât lie, he just changed his mind aparently lol
She has a very soothing voice. British people in media do have a particular vibe.
Yeaaahh!! Nice British voice, Rubbish British content!!
Why is the mic so large and up so high? It's in front of her face
I hope Spain remains intact, love from the UKđŹđ§â€đȘđž
Free scotland from barry.
Self determination is a human right!!
â@@Ladinia_unidaa human right which applies collectively to groups that are persecuted or victim of apartheid.
@@NAYRUthunder99 exactly, and that is what happened for tons of years during the dictatorship of Franco.
Did the Catalans receive any kind of compensation? Not at all.
Can they choose their path now and make their own laws that suit their people and situation?
Not at all
@@Ladinia_unida let me rephrase it.
A human right which applies collectively to groups that ARE persecuted or victim of apartheid.
As an Arizonan, I stand with my brothers and sisters in Basque and Catalonia. Arizona's name comes from a Basque term meaning "the oak tree," and our flag was chosen specifically to resemble that of Catalonia to remember where our original settlers came from. Basque shepherd communities still wander from Fredonia AZ to Casper WY.
Catalan? You mean Spanish
Uh... No, the flag of Arizona is based on the flag of Spain, like New Mexico's.
I mean, Galician elections took place barely two months ago and the main pro-independent party got 30% of the votes, but let's just skip that and focus on Catalonia and the Basque Country, as always.
That's surprising I thought independence there was at 10%
ââ@@_braileanul because said party, BNG, isn't ideologically pro-independence, but more on the pragmatic "we can push for independence if Spain stops beneffiting us". Actually, it is more a regionalist party than an independentist party.
Also the center-right party PP got an absolute majority so... What is noteworthy of those elections was the fact the center-left party PSOE, who current MP SĂĄnchez leads, got its worst historical result, ever. Which might point towards PSOE leaking voters towards regionalist parties.
This video is honestly shockingly bad. Theyâre talking about a âresurgenceâ of separatism, meanwhile Catalan separatist parties are polling worse than the results they got in the 2021 election and are poised to not win a majority in the Catalan parliament for the first time in *decades*
Poco tendrĂĄ de España una España sin Cataluña o el Pais Vasco, son parte integra de la naciĂłn, y su riqueza cultural nos enriqueze a todos. No habrĂĄ España sin Catalunya o Euskadi, mĂĄs nos valdrĂa llamarnos Castilla.
catalunya y el pais vasco son tan españoles como madrid
ok got it, Castilla
Eso es problema vuestro
Catalonia is an important part of Spain, but itâs naive to think that Catalonia would survive by itself if itâs separated from Spain and EU
â@@somethinganything9170 lo dices como si no os importase a vosotros
Si os independizais vuestra economĂa muere y ya estĂĄ decayendo
Sin contar el no tener reconocimiento internacional, libertad de movimiento, UE, etc
Because we inspire them! I often go to Euskadi and Catalunya and tell them I am Quebecker and I support them! We are now #1 in the polls in Quebec. If we could synchronize our referendums, it would be the best!
*Btw am I right to hear 3 different voices at **0:00**, **0:02** & **0:38**? đ*
There are several inaccuracies here. The Spanish government never jailed any Catalan separatist, but the judiciary as the separatists committed several criminal offences, including embezzlement. Many of them were pardoned by the left led Spanish government during the last parliament on exchange of political support from separatists parties. Furthermore, Pedro Sanchez made some public commitments as red lines: 1. Never pardoning jailed Catalan leaders, 2 never change the law to decriminalise secession and embezzlement, 3 never approved an amnesty law for those separatist leader who left the country and have never been tried in courts. Pedro Sanchez has broken every promise or red lines on exchange of political support.He lacks credibility when he committed there will be no referendum of independence...
You can call it what you want but the world knows what Spain does to other cultures within its borders. Spain wants a unitary state while a federal state would be so much better for everyone, especially Basque, Catalonia, Baleares, Navarra, Canaries and more regions with their own culture and languages. Why would a country want a territory within its borders while those living there donât want to be part of that country? The Spanish government acted as a colonizer instead of going to talk with other nations inside the Spanish state to look if a common ground can be found. Sanchez seems to be the first PM with a little sense of realism in his bones.
@@RealConstructor you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Spain is an extremely decentralised state, its constitution doesnât truly consider the idea of the central government taking back the competences once theyâve been given to the autonomies (only temporarily and in extreme situations) and there are limits that try to preserve its cultural diversity (such considering several languages co official and demanding only that at least a 25% of the teaching hours is in Spanish. A minimum that isnât even accomplished).
The fact that Spain has so many languages in such a relatively small territory isnât a coincidence. Go ask the French what happened to all the languages that they had
â@@RealConstructorThis is a very accurate comment, for the 1960s, that is
Teniendo en cuenta que Llarena y Marchena fueron elegidos por el Gobierno del PP, para renovar el Poder Judicial y controlar asà las sentencias del Procés, pues vale. Formalmente tendrås razón, pero la realidad no es esa.
â@RealConstructor spain is not the result of any "colonization" but rather political and dynastic unions over hundreds of years l (same as other European nations). As pointed out by other commenters, the fact that spain still has different languages and culture is testament that the country itself has been extremely tolerant of its differences. How many people speak Gaelic? Or occitan? Or catalan and euskara in France?
Something seems off about the basque country's size, but that may just be me
There's people "from" Catalonia living integrated all over the territory as well as people from all regions living in Catalonia.
My question is: Where exactly do the separatists expect to cut?
Catalan here. On the last weeks Ive seen How the optimism about independence has been on the rise đ
Why would you even want it. It's a line on a map. It means nothing. Your trade is likely mostly with EU countries. That means that when independence comes you are out of the EU and just became unattractive to business.
And no, you cannot have independence and stay in the EU. Even for Scotland the EU made it clear they would have to reapply as all other new members. It might go faster, but would still take a few years.
Have you learned nothing from Brexit?
Support from portugal đȘ
Do you imagine that if Catalonia is independent your neighbours will begin speaking Catalan? No, that's not so. The independent Catalonia will be a Hispanic country in which Catalan will be perceived as an annoying language that the State wants to impose.
Support from Galiza too of course
@@quiquemarquez3211 O independentismo aà na galiza também é forte?
Well , well , welll .....who could've thought being into government with separatist won't bring this exact same problem
Thatâs so shocking
It's not a problem, Separitism is desirable.
@@thevis5465 let's partition the UK
â@@gooigigooga2774 If they vote to separate, go ahead.
@@gooigigooga2774 I vote SNP for this reason.
I love the voice , tone and pace of this female reporter, pretty much alined with the main male counterparts! Please keep her in the loop :)
Drinking game: Take a gulp every time she says "however" and you'll be on the floor.
Nah I'd win.
This can be only described as:
*"Ah sh!t, here we go again"*
Tbh most of Spanish history can be described like that
This video was full of wrong information and plain falsities, support for independence has decreased a lot in recent years since conservatives have been out of office.
With so many repetitions, spanish history ihas become basically chinese history on a smaller scale
Armengol is not Catalan, is from Mallorca guys
Hey, they got it close.
The native language of Mallorca is Catalan :)
Catalonia is fighting for its independence.
What about the other Catalan speaking regions,
Balearic Islands (Armengol's home region), and the Valencian Community?
â@@MarcPaganoh look, another catalonian imperialist. How are your anchluss preparations going? Will you anex Murcia too?
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Madrid sending black shirted thugs to beat old ladies in Barcelona for the "crime of voting for independence"...isn't a good look.
Let the people of Catalonia choose.
Do they desire to be a sovereign country, or remain part of Spain, ruled by Madrid.
Like Canada let Quebec, and the UK/English, let Scotland.
â@@MarcPagannobody in balerics or valencia wants independence. In Valencia it looks like the more independentist catalans get the more patriotic valencians get
Basically the same thing, tbh
14% or 40%of the Basque people voted for separation? She speaks so fast.
Iâm outside and I live in the best country and itâs really really great to hear information about this
1:20 wow, thatâs pretty manipulative
A ridiculously small part of the statute of autonomy was considered inconstitutional (such as not guaranteeing that a citizen con could communicate with the Catalan institutions in Spanish) and even after that small percentage of changes were removed, it still gave more autonomy than Catalonia had before
Itâs like starting with 50, being given another 60, then saying that you could only be given an additional 55, and crying oppression on the streets because you were only given 105 instead of 110
Just a few notes: first the basque country has had a majority of nationalist parties since the dictaitorship ended (even before, but lets not delve into history), just that there are different "levels" of nationalism, some wanting to just finally get the rights that were signed with the Spanish goverment (Gernika), others wanting some sort of federal status to be at the same level as the central goverment, and last there is straight independence. There is a hole debate about that so I won't be getting into all the details.
Second, calling EH Bildu ETA is just propaganda. The party does represent the same political niche ETA represented in the turmoil of the end of the dictatorship, but the people in the party that are called out for being related to ETA are specifically the people that took part in its disolution. Calling EH Bildu ETA is just a tactic to dismis anything they may say or anyone that may do politics with them (specially when the opposition has nothing worth saying). It seems as though they wanted the basque left to leave diplomatic politics and return to take arms
No, the first time there was a Basque Nationalist majority in the Basque Country was in 1980. During the 1970s and during the 1930s there never was a Basque Nationalist majority in any elections in the Basque Country.
And EHBildu is definitely an offshot of ETA. During the 2010s they wanted to save face to the terrorist movement through a "peace process" which was totally unnecessary. And EHBildu was created by members of ETA's propaganda-political branch... plus some useful idiots. There have always been useful idiots around ETA, even in the 1970s, 1980s and 1990s.
And in Galicia: BNG (independentist left and sovereigntist left) 31,34% in 2024 regional elections.
a brawl is surely brewing
Bro this video is so wrong, nobody in Spain wants to secede, but as the voting system benefits regionalist parties, these inflamatory speechs cause a lot of movement. Its just politics, Spain is not a formal democracy like other countries, but this seems to be overlooked by everyone.
More than 2 millions Catalans voted clearly for the independence holding massive rallies each 11th of September expressing this, a lot of Basque people also rally for the same reason. It simply can't be said that nobody in Spain wants to secede...đ
@@jordi6795 nobody who knows that is more benefitial to be leeching of the state, everyone knows its easier to have a better budget for the autonomous region than getting independence and suffering a lot in the process.
Also, do you know that there are more than 7.5 million Spaniards living in catalonia? 2 million isnt even a majority, most of them speak spanish.
Do you know you cant take test in spanish in cataluña? Do you know that if you want to do some administrative work related to the state in cataluña, you have to it in catalan, besides only 30% of the population there speaks catalan as their primary languague? Learn things before you speak đ
Spain is not a formal democracy? What is it then?
â@@jordi6795did you watch the video? Migration is a bigger topic in Catalonia than independence.
Another black legend production , lies , half-truths and manipulations are always ready to attack the very same idea of Spain. Why is all this eagerness?
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This analysis is not too accurate for Catalonia. Separatist parties will likely lose majority in the Catalan parliament. Separatism is not in the rise, in fact itâs declining. It peaked in 2017 and it may have reached 50% back then, but it has always been very divided. Currently, many Catalan nationalists are disappointed and dissatisfied of how the failed referendum happened and do not trust Catalan nationalists parties. If you add Covid in the mix and the fact that the current government in Spain is more tolerant towards Catalan people and have a more plurinational view of the country, the result is that independence is no longer that popular. Especially among young people. The overall feeling is of being fed up with the situation. If Catalan separatists lose majority in the Catalan parliament, things will likely change and we will move on
just looked up for a Spain GDP per capita map, i'm not surprised, kinda similar situation like South and North Italy
I think Catalunya and The Basque Country would have substantial nationalist vote anyway, for historical reasons.
Hell ye boys, we bout to see Aragon, Castille and Navarra again!
Navarra is not Basque and Aragon is not Catalonian.
@@DiotimaMantinea-qm5yt it's a joke...
Power-hungry president who is willing to sell everything to keep himself on the seat even for a single day more. That's what happened. Separatism was going down until these last years where they started to get everything they wanted.
Who could've guessed that an incompetent people pleasing government typically leads to instability
This happens to me sometimes in Civ 6 for not having enough amenities for my population, the neighboring civ might also be using the Amani governor which makes you lose 2 loyalty per turn, I would recommend sending a spy to incapacitate the governor and build more entertainment complexes
Every region should be allowed a referendum once every decade whether it is Scotland, Catalonia or somewhere else in Europe
fucking dumb idea lmao
Spanish Civil War 2 : Electric Boogaloo
The interesting thing is that the separatist movements in Spain are very leftwing, at least the Basque and Catalonian one - a thing that is almost unknown anywhere else in Europe. Usually ethno-nationalism and seperatism is considered rightwing. Usually also the more richer regions tend to be more conservative and capitalist, while poorer regions tend to be more attracted to socialism. In Spain these things are completely inverse.
Left Wing Nationalism is not that unusual when Nationalism is coupled with Revolutionary Renaissance of Ethno-Linguistic Essence. In Europe we have a very good example of a political movement which was "National" and "Socialist", but Spain was not so burdened with WWII issues, you know.
Junts is NOT left wing lol
its also like this in Scotland and wales but its quite strange these days with how these guys want to start their own country but are also very politically correct and against patriotism. maybe this made more sense pre 2010 when there was more room for unique ideologies. but now they just act like American or Dutch leftists
the thing is that separating from Spain might be 50/50 either they succeed on own or it will just be worse
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Another TLDR video on sepratism that fails to show any understanding of nuanced topics.
Nuance is difficult in 10 minutes. They could talk for hours about this subject. If you want nuance go elsewhere and be prepared to spend several hours watching and listening. For short duration videos, they do better than most, though not always great.
But they are not a multi billion dollar news company with offices everywhere, they are an internet outfit with a limited number of staff.
@@bzuidgeest the fact they get the motivation and in some cases who even wants sepratism wrong it's probably a topic they should avoid. Belgium, Scotland and now Spain, they simply don't understand the topics well enough.
@@jono_cc2258 they give the perspective of an outsider which isn't surprising. That perspective is quite different then how an insider would view it. I remember the Belgium one too. It wasn't that bad. I was exactly how I expected that kind of thing to be reported in foreign media. It can be very useful to know how the outside world views something, especially without the emotions attached.
Also don't think just because you see the nuance that others do too. Brexit is a prime example. There was no benefit, just the emotion of getting out and now they are paying for that. Brexitteers would claim nuance, but the outside world thinks differently and is a lot more factual.
If any of these regions get independence, would they apply for membership in the EU?
Spain would veto it, so no
for sure looking at their politics but they will not get in for a very long time
Spain would be the first one to acept it, coz it will be interested the new countries to adquire a proportional portion of the sovereign debt of Spain.... if the countries get independent with no agreement, Spain debt would collapse the economy of Spain and of the EU. That's why the EU will be the first to be interested for any independence to be carried out peacefully.
Separatists are actually not on the rise.
Exactly. They are mostly on decline (except EHB), it just seems like they are on the rise because 1) SĂĄnchez completely depends on them and thus has to cater to them *a lot* and 2) reason 1 makes these parties more appealing on the subnational level for "being useful" (i.e. people like their vote to go towards "politicians that achieve things").
Have these seperatist movements not learned anything from Brexit? Seperating for the sake of seperating is pretty dumb.
Truth.
Not only that, they are falling for the EXACT same type of lies that brought Brexit. Catalan separatist have the same weird "we'll be better on our own"/"they need us more than we need them" rhetoric. As a Spaniard who lived in the UK from 2014 to 2020, it's driving me nuts.
Well said.
Catalan citizen here. I've never felt interested in catalan independence, but I'm in constant contact with those who are. Like Brexit, it's something mostly emotional, something that most people is happy to casually support but not many want to pursue to the chaotic end.
Comparing the two is an oversimplification, to put it mildly. We too often try to compare movements we don't understand with those that we know and do at our own peril.
2:11 , Why is the circle covering less than 40% if it's supposed to indicate that?
She says 14, not 40
You offer them a hand and they take your arm, they want more and more and more in exchange for very little. A lot of spaniards are tired of this, not a single party can offer a serious solution and all of them take us for fools.
You're lying
This decision should be up to the people of Catalonia/Basque country and no one else. Same goes for Scotland. Central governments in Madrid and London should not be able to decide the fate of everything.
The decision should lie with ALL citizens of Spain on what happens to their country, or do you classify people according to their residence in People A (the deciders: those living in BC and Cat) and People B (the takers: the rest). No, no, no...we are no longer in Middle Ages where noblemen decided the fate of ALL. Thankfully, International Law and the Spanish Constitution recognise this simple but relevant advancement: ALL citizens of a State should be equal to decide their common future. What Cameron did with Scotland was bollocks and Labour is fully in the wrong in this issue (PSOE should not travel down that path, or else...PSOE is posed to disappear and be replaced by another party). To turn your argument around: the Scottish Government (or Catalan for that matter) should not be able to impose the breaking up of a State in which a vast majority of people living in it are against a break-up. Same rights for ALL!!!!!!
Hopefully, they will find a good solution that ensures everyone stays united, of their own volition.
"[Catalonia] received a degree of self-governance in 1979".
It's true but not exact!
In 1979 Catalonia already had a certain level of governance.
On September, 23rd, 1977, Spain granted the restoration of the autonomous government that got in 1932 with some powers (Generalitat de Catalunya).
In 1979 the Generalitat extended its powers, but these powers were not exactly the same as they were in the period 1932 - 1939.
So from 1977 to 1979, the Generalitat was pre Constitution of 1978.
3:27 Galician language is already recognized. It's called Portuguese
Wrong
@@_braileanulit is an Portuguese dialect or the same language
Galician is co-official at the regional level
Spain has 3 regions of wealth concentration: Madrid, Basque Country, Catalunia. Now imagine two chunks separating :) Spain would drop to the bottom of EU map.
It would only fall by 25-30% actually
Technically Spain is already at the bottom of the map.. :)
@@TolstoyPlastic Itâs, in fact, not at the bottom of the map
If you think it a little bit more, you will understand that half the basque and catalan companies and money would leave for madrid or valencia inmediately, and with less competition other spanish companies would replace basque and catalan ones. It would hurt, but the main problem is not economic.
@@juann1400 also geography, because with the puñyrenees in the midle spain is defacto cut from the eu and the shengen and everything
The money/tourist regions would probably wish for more self governance.
The problem is that these regions of Spain like Catalunya have never been an independent country, not even an independent area, they were part of the kingdom of Aragon, where other regions of Spain were part. Then, a union of Kingdoms formed Spain. If any, Aragon could ask to be independent, because they were the centre of that crown, Castilla is another community that could be independent because they are the leading region where the Basque country belonged, but these parts don't want to be independent. In summary, Catalunya, the Basque country and other regions of Spain being independent is like a part of Texas wanting to be independent of the US, if any is the whole of Texas or nothing
With the Basque country itÂŽs a serious issue as many Basque nationalists want Navarre to be included. I think Basque independence is unworkable and it would cause much more problems than it would solve.
Sanchez should step down instead of keeping power very self centred
He formed a government after valid elections, there is no reason or necessity for him to step down.
You might not like him, but that doesn't mean he is doing anything wrong or self centered. Unless you think that doing the job you were elected into is self centered?
Constitutionally heÂŽs allowed to do it, Spain doesnÂŽt have a winner take all system. The risk he takes making this kind of arrangement is it makes the PSOE much more likely to lose the next election.
@@Letsthinkaboutit-mb7nn certainly, but it's his risk to take. At the moment many countries, especially those with proper proportional representation in the EU suffer from governments where people seem to be extremely divided, continual elections won't change that. It just would make the divide harder and clearer.
Winner takes all would be worse, the other side would be without representation at all
@@bzuidgeest I completely agree with you
Loving the hair do. Taking me back to the 1980s - especially combined with the cut glass accent. In a good way. Interesting content too.
yeah I thought wow looks so good !!
Legacy of the Bourbons. They exported their French-style centralisation and authoritarianism once ascended power in Spain. You see France's monarchist ideology of the Bourbons, it wasn't changed despite the 1789 Revolution, so hard to feel surprise with what's going on to Spain.
One correction, in one picture you show the PNV regional coalition goverment. But Vox and Popular Party aren't in coalition with PNV in Vasque Country, Vox it's actually the oposite of PNV (they hate each other), PNV formed a Coalition Goverment with PSE ("Partido Socialista de Euskadi", PSOE) after 2020 regional election.
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As a Spaniard and a political science student in Spain, I want to congratulate you for the research work on Spanish politics that you have done in this video. I have been subscribed to your CZcams channels for a long time, and I love your way of communicating information. Keep posting please, I hope to see more of your videos (especially if they are about Spanish politics)
Pero si es uno de los peores vĂdeos que han hecho
I am also a Political Science student (3 years in) and this video sucked. Almost all the TLDR videos on Spanish politics suck, they make dumb mistakes like "Armengol being Catalan" and rarely ever explain things properly (both stressing what the most important bits are, and explaining anything in depth). And to top it off, they rarely speak about Spain, despite being EU's 4rd largest economy.
@@EclipseZer0 I do completely agree. This is a UK-centered channel and from their perspective, Europe is essentially what lies above the Alps in map. The rest is...being generous, kinda Europe, but not quite. They talk more about Ireland or Norway, which definitely are European countries, than they do of Spain when, as you say, Spain is larger and more influential. Anyhow, as a Spaniard it may preferable to remain under their radar, provided they at least tell it accurately when they speak about Spain (which is definitely not the case in this video).
In the Basque country there is a complication, the PNV are oficially pro-independence but in practise are pro-autonomy.
Spain shouldâve considered extending dual citizenship to Latin American people. Paint it as a form of reparation whilst in reality bringing in educated migrants and cheap labor. Spain would have been the U.S. of Europe with a population and manufacturing boom
I love europe so in my opinion catalonia is spain,s autonomas territory
Regardless on how you feel about Catalonia, we can all agree that Sanchez is an idiot. He played himself and now he is surprised at the direction Catalan politics are taking
When conservatives where in power separatism was at its highest, and independentist parties had the most seats and even held an anticonstitutional vote for independence. The conservative approach of oppression only made them stronger, meanwhile Sanchez managed to win the most seats for the socialist party in the region, independentist parties lost seats in the last elections and support has decreased a lot. It seems to me you donât know much about my country, and if this channel is where you get information about it I can see why that is.
â@@juancarlosalonso5664 no te preocupes, yo SĂ se mucho de España, y lo que dice el comentario de arriba es cierto. SĂĄnchez estĂĄ haciendo perder votos al PSOE debido a su polĂtica de pactos, subiendo solo en Cataluña. VĂ©ase Galicia, con el peor resultado histĂłrico del PSdeG. QuĂ© genio es SĂĄnchez Âżeh? Perdiendo votos, cediendo en todo, y sin presupuestos.
âReferendaâ, not âreferendumsâ!
In England we donÂŽt have an academy telling us how to speak, referendums is in popular usage.
So, it's pretty much more or less the same stuff.
Here's a simple logic game. Basic Aristotle formal logic used in mathematics, AI and science. That our brain is already capable of using out of the box, what it already uses intrinsically as, reasoning, although sometimes it is convenient to refresh it on paper.
In Formal Context Analysis Theory, by its acronym in English FCA we define a formal concept as a tuple C ={O,A} where O is the set of objects related to the concept C, or extension, and A the set of attributes that C possesses, or intension.
In FCA the concepts can be ordered in a typical ontological tree, where those that appear below are subconcepts of those above. An example is the concept "feline", as a supraconcept of the concept "cat", which inversely is a subconcept of "feline", so an order relationship or generalization of feline is defined, if and only if:
-O_cat is a subset of O_feline. This is because the set O_feline contains the set O_cat, that is, it is related to it.
-In turn, A_feline is a subset of A_cat. That is, a subconcept can indeed have more additional attributes, but will essentially contain all of its supraconcepts.
i.e. all âcatsâ are âfelinesâ.
It is inmediate to see it, with the following instances:
feline = O ("Feline", ["cat", "lion", "tiger", "leopard"], A ["has retractable claws", "has whiskers", "carnivorous"])
cat = O ("Cat", ["Siamese", "Persian", "Maine Coon"], A["has retractable claws", "has whiskers", "carnivorous", "domesticated", "can purr"])
We all know why nation-states in contemporary political thought need to be objective facts, that is, they are intended to be logical concepts whose essential attributes are also necessarily objective. That is why, for example, the person who writes this cannot say that he is not from Granada, Spain that he is actually from Madagascar; just as he cannot say that Portugal is a continent or that Nebraska is an island, or that Lyon is a country. You can think it and believe it as much as you want, but saying it won't make it true. Therefore, when it is said that "Catalonia is a nation", regardless of whether that is true or not, what we have to look for logically, is whether Catalonia is not a subconcept of the concept of Spain, or that Spain is not a supraconcept of Catalonia, i.e. Catalonia is not Spain; through the order relationship, or generalization described above. Whoever achieves it should patent it and write a book: many people will buy.
Well, It is true that the political and cultural realities of regions and nations can be much more complex, nuanced and less rigid than formal definitions in mathematics, but that implies that logic simply lacks information-instances. And not, that it snt valid.
(In FCA, to know if a bunch of sets O are related, it is done by following the relationships of A between the other objects or instances of information in the context, so that if we have several instances that share the same attributes, derivation operators are subsequently defined and s.t. calculation algorithms, where the relationships between sets of objects can be obtained).
Nope.
Catalonia is not Spain, hence the will for the independence.
Aaah but you see, you define the concept of a nation state. A nation state is a state, a centralized political organization, and a nation, a community based on common identity. The common identity here being formed by culture, language, history, ethnicity,... We have our A.
It suffices to say that language is not a shared attribute, so if Spain is a nation state, Catalonia is not a subconcept and vice-versa.
We can of course loosen A to make Spain a supraconcept of Catalonia, but that would mean that we could no longer define Spain as a nation, which in turn would make it impossible to prove that Catalonia is not a nation.
we can play with definitions and logical relationships but in the end what matters is: 1) political power/negotiations; 2)military power leading to declarations and other negotiations. Two ways through which groups of people in history have achieved indipendence and redifined any previous status quo or subordination. Catalonia is not a nation at the moment only because it's up to the international community to recognize it as such. Validity in this case is reached through international consensus, there's nothing intrinsic. Catalonia doesn't have the strenght to achieve indipendence right now through the historical means given the structure of the European Union and the lack of supporter countries, but the raw matter (common catalonian identity, catalan language etc..) will always be a pre-condition for forming a potential nation.
@@MarcusLangbart Catalonia is already a nation and has such conditions since a long time, some centuries actually, and this nationhood is already stated by this conditions and reasserted by the Catalan people themselves.
The international community recognizes the statehood, which Catalonia doesn't has yet, and it is what the Catalan independence movement is pursuing precisely...
@@miquelvandevelde780 i like your way of expanding attribute set A. Thats the good way, keep on. Logic just needs more information.
As a Turk, I support Spanish unity. Separatists can be really annoying for sure. Those who are not suffering from it are very lucky.
As a portuguese, I hope the kurds manage to separate from you guys đ
So why then Turkey recognized Kosovo??
So why then Turkey recognized Kosovo??
â@@dzonikg28cuz it is a very muslim country and our ally
â@@dzonikg28and we do like albanians ln history but not serbs and its still countuny
Separatist movement in Spain are in their lowest point since 2017 now. Basque parties PNV and EHBildu are voted by many people that are not independentists and in Catalonia Junts and ERC are getting less support than what they used to get in the last decade. The situation about separatist movement is stable, what it is unstable is the general government because of the difficulty on making agreements
It's an interesting paradox in Spain and the UK. Socialists in Madrid need support from separatists so they give them more autonomy. But they could never support independence because that would reduce their chances of forming a national coalition.
We have similar with Labour and Scotland. OK, it's unlikely they will need SNP support soon, but of course they would never risk Scottish independence because it would lose them potentially 50 seats at Westminster! The Tories would be better off without Scotland, but part of their raison d'etre is unionism.
Oh, and it appears Nadja has been watching old footage of Selina Scott c.1980 for grooming tips :)
The Socialist party are anti-independence.
In Spain, socialists, separatists and immigrants from Arab/African countries all try to use each other as useful idiots.
I really loved your past work, but from a certain point, all I see is "will country X or Y break apart?" Sorry, but I will not be watching click-baity and doom-without-proper-evidence-predicting videos anymore.
Catalonia being separated from spain would be extremely idiotic
not if they stay in the eu
ever heard of European Union
@@EmmaWithoutOrgans doesn't spain get a veto?
@@christofferthorsson607 They would, allowing a new member state requires approval by all member states. Other countries could also veto it to prevent their own independance movements in their countries
@@EmmaWithoutOrgansWhich they wonât, cause spain would veto
From the close-to-nothing i know about Spanish seperatism, i know it's not a huge deal amongst the local populations and it's more of a headline manufacturing subject than a real issue.....but i know close-to nothing đ
God damn those carryovers to the sponsor segments are hurting me. Its like being kicked in the kidney
Just saying. Those megalomaniacs do not represent all Catalans.
I don't know why so many in the comments are upset about all the factual errors in this video đ€ that's literally every TLDR video ever !