Utah Mom Youtuber Ruby Frankie Arrested for Severe Child Abuse | Criminal Lawyer Reacts
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Criminal Lawyer Bruce Rivers Reacts to Utah Mom CZcamsr Ruby Frankie Arrested for Severe Child Abuse
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If you can’t outsmart a toddler and have to resort to violence, you’ve got serious problems.
The one and only time I tried to spank a child (because I was young and was told to) I just couldn’t. His little face pleading not to be spanked - I sent him out of the room (did not hit him) and threw up.
We talked about what happened, I apologized, we discussed why he couldn’t play with my things (something valuable and precious to me was broken). That whole situation haunts me 30+ years later.
you’re an amazing person
@@jenniferfriesen7691you did absolutely the right thing. Never think otherwise
@@jenniferfriesen7691 Without intending to, you gave him the gift of showing that you could be wrong, you could turn away from doing the wrong thing, and you could apologize. What an incredible lesson -- for both of you! ❤
@jenniferfriesen7691 Oh, I've spanked my children a handful of times and never felt bad about it. There's a line, and actions have consequences. Just my opinion, if you spanked your child out of anger, learn from it and let it go .
Bruce talking about how his dad used to beat him and how he never did the same to his kids - he is just extra awesome :)
Then by interpolation I’m “awesome” too - same happened to me and I didn’t hit my kid either
Yup - you're awesome.@@pattimaeda6097
@@pattimaeda6097 Yes you are - violence in families often tends to continue over generations. SO good for you.
@@pattimaeda6097 yeah you are! stopping the cycle of abuse is an awesome act.
@@pattimaeda6097 Bonafide awesome!
The 911 call is absolutely devastating to listen to… you can hear that man struggling to keep it together. And apparently the child chose that neighbor to run to because they had given his family Christmas cookies in the past - so thought they would be kind and helpful. 😭😭😭
When I first heard it and that poor caller's voice kept cracking, like he was trying so hard to keep it together in front of the boy, my heart just broke for him 😰
Nope, not gonna listen to anything other than Bruce - n fast forwarded through the charges after hearing part of them.... unbelievable cruelty to any child, MUCH LESS ONE's OWN KIDS!!!!! 🤬🤬🤬
Wow
The favor Russell asked for was to be taken to jail. He didn’t even ask for food and water. The neighbors found that to be obvious and fed him. But the kid was told he would end up in jail and believed he deserved it. 😢
“Love should never ever been withheld as a punishment”. So well said, “love for your child should be unconditional”.
I thought you either love someone or you don't and it's not something you can turn on or off like a tap.
That said, if you repeatedly whack the souls of their feet you can get kids to say anything! 🙂
When my kids were little , I’d take something away, and one rule is I never ever punished while angry!!! EVER. Did I get angry ? Yes! But wouldn’t while angry. This woman is FD UP!! And records it?
Bruce you are a real man. Nuff said
❤❤❤
After everything she did, her parental rights apparently have not been terminated. And she could be out soon.
She said that children don’t deserve unconditional love… yet she expects it from her kids. I hope she’s never let out.
Good point, how on earth are they supposed to do something that they have never seen modeled?
Yes.
Narcissists expect the be treated like royalty but can't even comprehend thinking about others
Well to be fair kids nor parents deserve unconditional love
@@Godzilla00X so true. My ex husband was a narcissistic social and pathological liar… and he really did gaslight me to the point where I felt crazy so I just gave up and just became a “yes man”
What’s even sadder, she will be treated better in prison, than what her kids were treated in their family home.
Yup. Given three meals a day, a bed to sleep in, entertainment whenever the guards turn on the TV, and flipping license plates for money to buy stuff at the prison store. And if any of those things are taken away it's a violation of her rights.
General population will teach her a few lessons. Her friend Jodi has brainwashed her in a different direction but she was already crazy.
I've heard that in the US prison system female child abusers aren't well treated by inmates who know what they are in for, apparently in other places they might be put in a separate section with other abusers etc and don't face the same potential dangers as they could in an American prison. Jodie sounds like the kind of evil manipulator who should be kept gagged because everything they say is just so damn dangerous and evil. The exact thing that she has been doing to other people, literally duct taping their mouths closed, that's what she needs to have done to her now.
She may not escape prison justice.
@@tammylaronde8593depends how she portrays why she’s in there, no?
"Duct tape is not a parenting tool." ......You nailed it. Thank you for calling out these dreadful people. A scary thing is that the mother looks like an 'everyday' 'pretty American mom'.
yte racist devil ladies you mean
I cant believe her son asked for food and she straight up told him he didn't need it... that broke my heart.
Thank you for your speech on not hitting children. I was beaten and slapped and had a broken arm from my parents. I’m 71 and it still haunts me.
You didn't deserve that. I hope you have a happy and safe life now
I am so sorry that happened to you. 😢 You never, ever could deserve that. You are loved. ((Hugs))💕
This is so sad to read. But thank you for saying it. 71 and still dealing with childhood trauma. That’s so sad :/
I hope you can find peace.
I’m sorry you went through that.
❤ I'm so sorry.
"Long patterns of selfishness"
Says the woman who isolates, manipulates, and exploits her children on CZcams for money. "You don't need food."
What a psycho. I know people who will have to pay a lot of money for the privilege of being a parent. It breaks my heart to see kids treated like this 😔
She's definetly projecting her own behavior on her kid
Also, kids are selfish when they’re very young. It’s developmentally appropriate. There are appropriate ways to guide them into the next stage of development.
they probably asked for 2nds or something
Right. I would like to know the outcome of this too.
how can those kids not be selfish? 1st of all they are kids. they need to be taught not to be selfish. 2nd of all their supposed role model mom is a selfish piece of crap. what does she expects. pubishment should be harsher not only to parents abusing their kids but also to police and social workers who get reported abiut child abuse and dont follow through with proper investigation. as an atheist the scarce times i wish hell was a real place is when sht like that happens.
The fact that the little boy who escaped to the neighbor’s feels that the punishments he receives are his fault is absolutely heartbreaking. The children’s physical wounds will eventually heal, but the emotional and mental wounds won’t ever go away. 😢
This guy is so brutally honest, it's refreshing!
I'm currently 9 months pregnant with my first child (it's a boy 🖤), and I've suffered with anger issues my whole life due to a very abusive childhood. From the moment I found out I'm pregnant up to this very day I'm in therapy. It's not comfortable, it's not easy but our kids deserve it. Being abusive becomes a choice when you choose to do nothing about your own toxicity.
The way I look at it is .. I treat my kids how I wanted to be treated growing up. Yes things will get frustrated but you will have knowledge to make good decisions. We are never perfect as a parent. Enjoy your boy. They are the best. Mom of 2.
I was in the same place as you. Now my daughter has a child and my heart glows to see her as a loving, kind, and understanding parent. I didn’t do everything right but I did enough right. Blessings to you and your baby boy!
I don’t know you, but I’m so proud of you for recognizing that something is wrong and taking steps to be better for your son ❤️
Hey, awesome that you have the insight to realize this and the drive to carry out a plan of action to address it before you're hip deep in parenting! I wish you nothing but success on your journey to become the parent you want to be - so many don't realize it's not enough to clock your family as toxic, you actually have to learn healthy behaviors to utilize in order to avoid unconsciously implementing the unhealthy ones you learned as a kid. Like growing up in a household that only had one tool - a hammer. You know there is a better way to fix a broken vase than the hammer, but until you take a class on pottery repair you're just going to reach for the hammer anyway because it's what you know.
Im glad your making such a clear and precise effort to do better. looking back i was no where near as abusive as my family but i should have done alot better even though i had no role models i wish i would have done better than i did.
The fact that this woman had a huge following/platform is terrifying because It normalises this type of horrendous behaviour. Also why aren't there laws that protect childrens privacy?! They have a right to a childhood without having a camera constantly shoved in their face 😢
Seriously. Theres another video of hers not shown in this where she's talking to her youngest son and you can see in his eyes hes thinking "Can't you just talk to me without always shoving your camera in my face?" Its so sad.
A large amount of her following was actively contacting police and cps frying to get her away from the children. If you look into it a bit more it's truly insane how long this was going on and how little authorities did
CZcamsr J Aubrey did a video on this woman FOUR YEARS AGO, sounding the alarm. You should give it a watch, because he used footage from the 8 Passengers channel to create his documentary. Two things J Aubrey touched on. The first was he showed footage of this sorry excuse of a mother saying her young daughter “forgot to pack her lunch”, this girl was probably 6 at the time? And when the school called saying hey, she doesn’t have lunch today, you wanna bring her something? This chic told them no! She went on this long winded rant basically saying starving during the day will make her “learn” to pack her own lunch (what kind of disaster will that lunch box look like if you let a small child pack their own lunch? Even I know this, and I don’t have children myself). The second incident, I believe with that same child, she did her homework, but left it on the table, she got distracted and didn’t put it in her book bag. What did “mom” do this time? She threw it in the trash. Like, she held up the clear trash bag with this poor child’s homework clearly visible at the bottom, and her daughter was screaming NO, that’s my homework!
IL recently passed a law saying the parents have to set aside a portion of the child's earnings if they're in videos a certain amount of hours, similar to laws regarding child actors. I think the fact politicians are acknowledging it and that's all they come up with makes me even angrier. Child acting is something of a necessity unless you want a 30yo playing a toddler. There is no need for child content creators. It needs to be illegal to film your child this often.
A bunch of CZcamsrs even before this sounded thr alarm on this, they called it out multiple times but folks who didn't watch their content just assumed it was tough love or standard discipline and the internet folks was making a big stink as per the usual for the unaware.
This woman was so scary. The stuff she said on CZcams is horrific. So many people reported her and the state did nothing.The neighbor cried when he called the police. The neighbor cared for that child than his parents.
Michael Rivers, I hope you realize just how lucky you are to have the father you have. Every time he mentions you his pride in you and his love for you just shines. When he talks about being a dad and his feelings for you reflects how I feel about my kids. When a child grows up and becomes friends with their parent it shows that the parent did something right. ❤ my kids are now adults and they fight over who gets me not who has to take me lol. I tell people that I'm lucky that we genuinely LIKE each other and enjoy spending time with together now THAT is a gift. ❤❤
For a lawyer
You’re alright
For a dad
You’re priceless
Why just alright?
My great grandmother, born in 1863, passed her wisdom down through the generations. She said 'if you beat children, you knock one devil out and a dozen in'. I followed her advice and can say hand on heart, I had no trouble from my kids even throughout their teenage years and we are still great friends now that they are in their 40's and 50's.
Real talk🙏
“Friends,” I like it! 🙂
I know from my own experience with physical abuse from my parents is that beating a kid will e only teach them how to lie to avoid future beatings
What a great great gma u had I love this
This case is extremely heartbreaking. The food denial really got to me. I cant imagine treating my 8 year old the way that these children were treated.
I just got a word that she pleaded guilty four counts of aggravated child abuse. She later pleaded not guilty to two other counts. Franke is due to be sentenced on February 20, 2024.
"no one's supposed to know that mommy yells" imagine how hearing that as a young kid impacts you. Imagine the issues those kids will have later in life when it comes to asking for help. As disgusting as the physical abuse aspects of this case are, the lifelong healing and unlearning these kids will have to do as they grow up makes my heart hurt.
"our viewers" - I just detest family vloggers. Kids shouldn't spend their every moment trying to please viewers, especially when those viewers apparently are pleased by child abuse.
My father broke the cycle and I'll be forever grateful that he did. He says that, still to this day 30+ years later, he struggles with his impulses of anger.
My dad is the same. He was severely abused as a child.
I was talking to him once about punishments and told him that the worst punishment he gave us as kids was “go to your room and think about an appropriate punishment, then when I call for you, come tell me.”
I _agonized_ over that. He was surprised. He said that the only reason he did that was because he was so angry that he was afraid he’d hit us, so he wanted us out of sight until he calmed down and could think rationally.
Because he wanted to break the cycle.
Now, as a result, my kid is a teen and I’ve never been so angry at him that I’ve wanted to hit him.
He’s made me mad, but never that mad.
I really think a lot of that is because I don’t have the explosive anger issues my dad struggles with because he didn’t hit us.
I live in fear of how I would act if I ever got intoxicated because the abusive behaviors I learned are to this day the first instinct I have when I get upset.
I don’t want to hurt anybody, but there’s a part of me that would do it without a second thought. Don’t hit kids. Don’t humiliate them. Don’t convince them that nobody else will love them if they don’t act the way you want. When you do that you’re showing your kids a hammer, and to a kid without any other tools they’ll be seeing lots of things as nails.
@@Annie_Annie__
I'm sure you are spot on.
My dad was abused xually and was neglected he had to fend for himself, he broke the cycle by showing me a ton of love and care, unfortunately I feel he also has a bit of a victim complex.
@@Jack-ld7ku he isn’t a sex offender wdym
That woman is completely nuts. She's now saying her son was SA a younger sibling, I'm guessing she's saying this to explain her use of the duct tape etc. She's disgusting 🤢 I hope she gets major jailtime
Yep, because bringing the child to a counselor ASAP and reporting this would have been the "wrong thing to do". . . .somehow. She also neglected to mention that previously, ever, but other kids have gotten similar punishments.
Even if the child was SA to siblings, he sure as hell didn't deserve being starved, beaten, restrained & humiliated. That child if it really happened will become the monster his mother made him into. This woman will never have the crimes done to her that she perpetrated on her children. Too bad.
Eligible for parole in 3 crummy yr.s.
She's the kind of mother that views her offspring as her personal property.
18:23 you can see him get emotional right here . Shows how much he loves his kids . Reminds me of my dad . My mom and step dad hit me all the time . My real dad never hit us . Eventually he raised us in his own . Best thing that ever happened to us .
I never once had cafeteria lunch cas the only $ I goT was lunch money .
Kids get a bed, food, school and safty is required. You chose to have those children. Even after 18 they DON'T OWE YOU ANYTHING. YOU CHOSE TO HAVE CHILDREN
She was something. There is a clip out there I saw where she actually was punishing them by destroying their homework. WTF. So many parents have trouble getting their kids to even do their home work and this monster was trying to take even their home work away.
They do need to know they are expected to behave in a civilized way after age 6 or so and be respectful of their elders,if they are deserving
What's scary is that shes one of _many_ family vloggers that have been called out for years, and now we find out exactly _how_ horrific things were. How many other channels that people call out (or fly under the radar) is just as bad?
Almost like they all have a horrible pattern of narcissism
@youtube allows it because they profit off of the exploitation of minors I hope these kids start suing the shit out of CZcams
I would imagine that the space is competitive, and a lot of youtube markets thrive on angst and conflict. So it would be no surprise to me to find that people like this would manipulate their kids into misbehaving just so they could have content for another week. Not saying that's what's going on here, just that I wouldn't be surprised.
Being “called out” is not the same as being reported. And people continue to consume their content on social media. Those 2 million follower were complicit in this abuse.
@@EliF-ge5bu absolutely true. You would thought that somebody that was following her would realize that there was something wrong with this woman. I’ve never seen her videos before and what little that Bruce showed I can definitely tell in her contents that there’s something wrong with her.
Bruce I know you might never read this, but you did a wonderful thing for your children by breaking the cycle of abuse. Too many parents don’t examine their parents’ bad behavior and just repeat it with their children when they raise them because they don’t see how wrong it was when their parents did it to them.
My single father would say the exact same things you said at the end of your video and it almost made me cry. We had a very strong bond and I took care of him after he was diagnosed with Alzheimer's disease. We did build a very close bond like no other I've ever known, and I'll always be grateful that someone showed me how to love others in that way.
❤
As a fellow attorney who has prosecuted countless felony child-abuse cases, some of which involved the child’s death, I think you hit this one out of the park. To my mind, your best to date.
We need to do MUCH better by our children. Every day there are atrocities reported toward them. Breaks my heart.
What kind of sentence could she be facing if convicted?
@@hsabes400
Well hopefully life in a federal super max for child abuse. I’d bet it’s so much worse than what they think.
@hsabes400 I don't know the law so I really can't tell you the details. But I understand that there are six counts, and each one can carry 15 years
@@hsabes400nothing compared to the pain, humiliation & fear she gave to her children who now confuse love with pain.
She testified in court her son sexually harmed 20 other children...an 11 year old...!!!! She is the worse kind of predator
She’s blaming him but really telling on herself imo.
Who testified to that?
And that this same kid started by accessing p*rn at 3 yrs old...The only way a 3 year old sees p*rn is if an adult shows it to them. Disgusting !
There's a video response to these allegations by Jodi's neice (who was abused by her 14 yrs ago). She talks about Jodi's obsession with sex and forcing kids to "confess" their sins - and how she confessed to things she never did just to make the torture stop. These women ate sick!
@@athanksgivingbaby570 To Ruby Spongebob Squarepants is P*rn
Accusing her own son of abusing (sexual) others is diabolical!!👹☠️
She better get life with no parole ever!!⚡💥
I have to tell you I was touched by your love for your children. Your two sons are very lucky to have a smart, loving father like you. Love your You tube channel.
Well said! This woman must go to jail to feel how it is to be on the receiving side of such unacceptable behaviour and actions!
Her grinning and laughing when her poor son said he had his bed taken away…made my blood BOIL. She is evil and sick.
I wish the very very worst possible on that nasty vile bitch. I really hope someone in jail takes care of both of them
Yep .A religious freak.Using power and control on children.
That's what got me too, she takes pleasure in disciplining her children.
We have 100s of peer reviewed studies that all show that corporal punishment on kids leads to negative outcomes. They are a child not a convicted murderer who broke into your house. All kids deserve love. 💙
People don't do it for their children. People do it because violence is the only answer to a problem they know.
Do you remember the Tough Love program ? It was abuse.
Corporal punishment studies make no distinction between abusive beat downs and measured discipline. The fact that you think spanking kids is comparable to beating an intruder shows how disingenuous you’re being, Corporal punishment works, and withholding it is how you get entitled, spoiled children. Legalize/normalize corporal punishment.
@@grantkeller4634yeah, I think it’s disingenuous for OP to suggest that it always leads to negative outcomes. There was a point not too long ago when corporal punishment was considered the norm & it’s not always a negative. There’s a big difference between a spanking & a belt….& there’s a huge difference between a spanking & duct taping kids wrists & ankle’s & keeping food from them.
@@grantkeller4634 So during your "measured discipline" sessions do you explain why what they did is wrong? Did you offer alternatives? No you just wanted to think about how good that hit feels for you in the moment.
Bruce you’re like my CZcams dad, you give the best advice. Please don’t stop the channel.
I appreciate this video so much. My mother was my biggest childhood bully. I won't detail her abuse to me and my siblings, but the way she treated us directly affected how I raised my own kids. I only spanked my kids maybe 4 or 5 times in their life. They are well behaved because discuss. I don't just bark orders at them and tell them how it's going to be. I hope Ruby and her nasty friend are served a huge helping of justice.
As a licensed mental health professional who works to counsel children, thank you for speaking out against corporal punishment. Hitting a child only models using physical violence to solve issues.
There is a massive difference between spanking and abusing a child. You aren't trying to inflict damage spanking a child, you are trying to get their attention. If your intention is to cause pain and damage, that is when it becomes abuse.
mommy dearest is not dead
And kids are pretty smart, my son is 4 and so I flicked him back and he looked at me and said "you're not supposed to do things that hurt other people, my flicks don't hurt you."
I had to apologize but he didn't give me time out.
As an adult, my brother would say really loud, "STOP ABUSING THAT CHILD" when we were in the store shopping. Mom's would grab kids by their arms, lifting them by their fragile limbs, squeezing their hands hard and yell at them. His "pet peeve" I learned later about how much physical abuse he endured. I didn't see it, I was a baby when it happened. These people are just sadistic and sick. Thank you for your work @mermaid3363.
@@justinlast2lastharder749this. People really need to learn the difference. This no corporal punishment bullshit is what makes spoiled little shits that think their are no real consequences for their actions. Weird as hell that it's even being mixed. Spanking is not abusing and is a god given right to parents. It happens in all different ways throught nature.
“What if you’re addicted to child abuse? Do they have a program for that?” Yes, it’s called prison.
As someone who also got beaten as a child, I agree, all it does is alienate. I was so scared of my parents growing up I never even told my mom when I got my period. I never told them when I wasn’t feeling well, luckily I was pretty healthy and only had to miss school for illness once in high school, and for some reason it was humiliating for me to tell my parents I didn’t feel well. I couldn’t ask them for basic needs. I was a burden to them and I internalized that to my core from a young age. Even though my relationship with my dad has been repaired and is now better than ever, I still can’t admit to him when I’m not doing great mentally/physically, and it’s hard for me to ask for help.
Ruby Franke has done unbelievable damage to those poor kids, and she better sit in jail for a long time for it.
I’m so sorry you went through that and am so glad you’re here today. ❤ You didn’t deserve any of that.
I'm so sorry you went thru that horrific experience. If you hear those old abusive lines in your head, if you feel unworthy, my heart is full for you & I hope you can get help to unlock the child still imprisoned by pain & fear.
You are a profound gift. You shared your pain here in an elegant & classy way. You have a gift. I hope you have gotten help to deal with that horror & I urge you to consider writing your story or sharing with parent groups.
If this is a bit bumpy, I hear the tapes even though I wasn't beaten. Disregard & disapproval hurt & visit long into adulthood. Let alone when you've been beaten so badly there is a shut down of all joy.
Sister-Friend, you are worthy of appreciation & approval, of love without pain.
My blessings for your safety, your healing, your discovery of the joy you are & the joy you bring.
I didn’t understand the label of “Content Genius” until I realised they have over 1 million subscribers. Absolutely earned title. Well done Michael 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 20:35 Edit: I wrote this before it was requested. Genuine props
Bruce, I absolutely love the love you have for your children. Happy you're back home! Thanks guys for the amazing content.💞🤍
Keep in mind, this isn't undercover footage. Ruby's show had fans. Subscribers. Thousands of people who supported and enabled this behvior.
EXACTLY. A lot of people have bad parenting methods
Right?! It's disgusting... Who watches this??
Keep in mind it had HATERS and a petition going to have her investigated and people who called CPS numerous times and CPS is being investigated because going to the home, knocking, and no one answering and leaving a number to call CPS is NOT how you close out a case where I come from. Especially when you have been called out numerous times. Normally you follow up and ensure contact is made, you speak to the kids alone away from the parent and see if the parent cooperates with this, a CPS worker can ask to see if the fridge has food and the pantry has food and the kids bedrooms. If you saw her videos like where she said her 6 yr old could starve at school, I can assure you that she probably had views and comments from haters as much as she had people who went to her for any kind of advice. Her comments section was harsh on her parenting skills or lack there of.
Don't presume the people who watched it all watch something because they support and enable something, they may be there to criticise her and try to get through to her, but some people believe they know better than everyone else to the point they call themselves experts with no education, no formal training or even seminars, no working in Montessori programs or schools, no working with children other than their own and all those people who have PhD's in this stuff just don't know what they are talking about. I guess we will see which one the judge believes more.
"Duct tape is not a parenting tool." More sound advice from Bruce Rivers! Thank you, Mr. Rivers! This is why we love you so much!
I think it's printed right on the packaging.
My dad once joked with a teacher that she should duct tape me to the chair if I was causing too much of a problem in class (apparently I was reading *too* much).
He never got invited to another parent teacher conference...
It was completely sarcastic: my parents never abused me, but the teacher didn't really get that at first lol... it's quite funny in hindsight.
If my dad said that today, I might've been taken out of my home.
@@JaneHasGame 😆😆😆
*casually sets duct tape back down*
"Ehh what?.."
its hilarious and disgusting that this actualy has to be said to adults.
Wtf! I can tell you’re a good dad thank you for sharing this is really sad for the kids I’m glad they’re finally having some food shelter in real love
She’s like a drill instructor, not a mother. She took Christmas away from 2 of the little ones. How could her and the father do that?
Drill seargants arent near this vile. They want the soldiers to succeed.
It is especially disturbing that she looks gleeful at times telling them they won’t get food or Christmas presents, etc. She was on a power trip with her own kids as victims.
witches tend to do that
i think the creepy smile was because she was embarrassed. hate to think what she did after she stopped recording.
the kid can't have a cookie? is that it or am i missing something?
@@joparkcat Yes, you're missing something. The kids were starved and malnourished..
@@joparkcat, yes, you're missing that this woman is a psychopath.
The “you’re going to bed without dessert and we’re going out to get cookies” broke my heart for that child
The cooks in the prison kitchen are going to remember this...
SO glad you're on this Bruce! It's hard to find trustworthy coverage of this case 😢
Since my Dad passed away a few months ago, I've had some pretty deep heart-to-heart talks with my Mom. One of the things she told me recently was that she was terrified of her father when she was growing up. I remember Grandpa as an old grump, but I didn't realize just how bad he had been when his kids were young. I'm very glad that my Mom managed to find the kind, witty man she eventually spent over 70 years with.
"Views the kids as adversaries" is the best description I have heard about Ruby so far. The ways that she talks about how she deprives her kids of privacy and her whole BS philosophy on "Choices" really highlights how she views her children as conspiring against her. When they disobey the rules, she sees it as an attack on HER to cause HER inconvenience, and not just kids being kids. She should have never had children.
I think that in another world where Ruby wasn't Mormon and grew up and lived in a secular environment, she would've been childfree, because it's really clear that she doesn't like children at all. And I think that would've been a better world. People who don't like kids and can't find joy in the idea of having children shouldn't have children.
@@Julia-zv8tv Honestly, I agree. The social pressure applied by the LDS church to have big families is something that I've always found worrisome... Not everybody is built for kids.
I also wouldn't be surprised if there's some kind of family trauma or psychological abnormality to explain her extremely short temper. In a podcast, Ruby admitted that the main reason she started the channel was to make *herself* behave in front of the camera. Even her own mother told her that she used to shout a lot at her kids before then. Somebody in her family should have pushed her to get help a whole lot sooner. Family vlogging as emotional repression has got to be the worst idea I've ever heard.
Mormons again.Laurie Vallow did the worst in that faith and here we have another crazed fool.😮
@@Julia-zv8tvShe loved the extra attention she got as a mother on social media. Her next CZcams channel will be about surviving her prison sentence and all the unofficial punishment she will get there from her fellow inmates. But someone addicted to attention and some pseudo celebrity status can be very entitled and can see anything and everything as an attack on her status and addiction. Maybe they would even sell the rights to make a movie about it...
Again, my narcissism alarm is going off big-time
She was being evil out in the open. Imagine what she did behind closed doors 😢
Thank you for being an example of compassion and leadership. It’s refreshing.
Throughout his videos I get a sense that Bruce is a genuine human. Thanks Bruce!
When she told her youngest that only the older kids will get the gift of love. I had to pause for a moment. Of all the verbally abusive things she says to those kids, that’s just the absolute worst. No child should ever feel that their mommy and daddy doesn’t love them. That’s a great way to raise an addict, runaway, thief, or psychopath. I really hope these kids get all the help and therapy they need ASAP to guide them out of such a negative and detrimental environment.
I believe she was saying the 4 older kids would get actual gifts, and the youngest 2 would get the "gift of love". Still bad either way though.
@@malanenix4033 Yeah…it’s just sad. That little girl doesn’t understand. She just heard that a gift means mommy and daddy love you. It made me so mad, I was in tears.
"Duct tape is not a parenting tool."😂😂😂 Thanks, Bruce, for acknowledging that even though it takes nerves of steel to be a parent, duct tape is not a parenting tool. Child abuse is just awful.
The things we need to put on labels bc someone is an idiot. . . . . . ."Duct tape is not intended to be used as a parenting tool".
Bruce, you are such a reasonable, intelligent, and wise person. Funny too. Keep it up
I always love hearing your perspective on parenting & family. You are such a positive role model on how to be a good, successful, & humble man & father in today’s culture when there are not enough. Hope you keep this kind of content coming.
Idk man guilt tripped by father lawyer? Cruuel n unusual punishment lol
As an adult victim of child abuse, this story really hits home. My mom was mentally ill and we were her victims until we could get away. Michael you are a very lucky person to have Bruce as your dad. ❤ Thank you both for being here!
He is very fortunate to have Bruce as a father. Please enjoy your life!!
Same here, my mom made us go through hell. My dad was an amazing person and never laid a finger on us but unfortunately he was alcoholic because she abused him too and he died from it when I was just 14. Miss you Dad forever. I love watching Bruce because he gives off such wholesome dad energy. ❤
@soraya2218 sorry for your loss. Hugs.
@@minniemercury4818 thanks a lot, bless you. I hope you could or can heal from your trauma too. It's a battle every day.
@@minniemercury4818 you're gorgeous btw 💖
That moment when Bruce Rivers give you more validation for your childhood abuse than your therapist ever could...
I hope you are in a position to therapist shop then.
Gotta give it to Bruce, he has a way with words: Children are a fffkn blessing.
You said it as you felt it, straight from the heart. Glorious ❤😂
Not many fathers around like you. Maybe you need to talk and have conversations with fathers all over the world. And you're so right children are a blessing. A truly precious precious gift. I wouldn't take a million dollars for my children or my grandchildren. And I would never ever allow somebody to come between me and my children. Thank you Bruce you're amazing.
Hearing you speak about the abuse that you went through with your dad and then seeing how well you treat your son is such a powerful revelation. You really broke the cycle of abuse, and it is so beautiful to witness. Gives me hope for the future. You are an incredible man.
This is so upsetting. I have worked in a school and have seen so many children whose parents withhold food as punishment. Most end up being food obsessed. Hoarding food because they have no idea when they will eat again. They steal. It’s horrific what some parents do to their babies.
Thank you for such a candid review. The two abusers caused a lot of damage to their kids and the many other kids whose parents followed them.
I agree with everything you said about raising children, you sound like you were an amazing dad, thank you for the psa for any parents out there who needed to hear it! Seriously, almost brought me to tears 💗
Her saying her kids are unwilling to “repent” is a red flag.
The words of a cult member
I don’t know if you heard the initial 911 call but they caller just grew increasingly distressed as it dawned on him what had been happening to these poor children. You could hear him breaking down crying as continued to describe the little boy. There was one point where he said something like "And he [the child] says that everything that has happened to him is his fault" 😥
Can you imagine how many times these babies heard that as they were suffering and afraid!?
I hadn’t heard all those aspects of the call but from what I have heard, the man sounds just so devastated, as any functional human being with a heart would be ❤️🩹
Appreciate you from NC. Love your work.
Thank you for doing this. I really appreciated it. I appreciate your bluntness and its truth!
Bruce, you are not just an amazing lawyer, but an amazing person. Thank you for being such an inspiring and kind person.
Amen
I grew up with violently abusive parents, I was constantly compared to other children that I was the worst of them all. I was just a small child, terrified of my every day. Whenever I hear Bruce talk so kindly about his son and his deep love he has for him,I feel a little bit of warmth inside, like i sometimes want to pretend he’s talking about me as his own. Goddamit bruce I’ve had a rough day and this made me tear up writing this. I am 37 now and i choose to never speak to them again.
What these "parents" convinced their "followers" to believe is good parenting is really terrifying.
Many of the followers didn't believe that Franke was a good parent and had started a petition on one of those websites to have her videos be looked at by the county DA/prosecutor as her own watchers had called CPS on her and CPS was soo incredibly lazy on this case that there were times they went to the home, knocked, no one answered so they left a "please call me when you can card" and never followed up on it and never heard back from the household. CPS was called by neighbors, by followers, She was called out online on her videos like you wouldn't believe by other parents, the school had to document when her 6 yr old did not have a lunch so they called the mother and the mother went the frick off, first at the teacher for asking her to bring a lunch down, and then on camera saying how it's her 6 yr olds fault she doesn't have a lunch and when she asked her this morning if she had a lunch, she said Yes and should not have lied so now her punishment is being hungry. . . . . . . .the kid is 6!!!!! Yes, I tried to have my own kids pack snacks, but expecting perfection was not even close to realistic. It would not have killed her to leave a few bucks in the school lunch account for days like that and tell the teacher to have the kid get a hot lunch. We always had something in there bc "life happens".
The number of enablers in this situation is astounding. That anyone “followed” this bitch is disgusting. Just the clips turned my stomach and it’s going to be rough yo forget those voices.
this lady on social media either used it to maker her kids feel worse, like 'See everybody that follows me thinks you kids are lil shits" or she made videos to right her wrong and called it discipline. Either way, she is gonna catch one in jail just like she deserves
thank you for this posting. I am in my 70s and .I still have the nightmares. Therapy has taught me ways of coping and soothing. But my sister still thinks SHE was the only one who suffered unfairly while I was & still am defective. Your voice and words improved this wee hours for me.
I love all your content. Your commentary is hysterical! You always make my day.
As a kid(Still a kid but won’t be next month) I dealt with CPS and the only reason I got out was because my therapist told them to take me and my siblings. Then they finally put me in foster care. It took literal years. I didn’t even experience abuse to THIS extent. I’m glad this is reaching people because awareness needs to be spread about it. Thank you for covering this.
Hate to tell ya but i turn 30 in a month and i gotta say you got about 5 or 10 more years of bein a kid :)
Sounds like you had to grow up too fast due to circumstances and that you’re a really good sibling. Be gentle with yourself, brave sweet soul. Your mind isn’t fully developed until about 25 so technically you may not be a kid as of soon, but it’s ok to not be full grown adult.❤
Be the best you can possibly be now. You've got your whole life ahead of you. Make it a fantastic one. Fulfill your dreams. As for your parents, don't be bitter, be better - than them! Sending you healing, strength and great vibes...
@@CrowfistI turn 33 in a month and I was a man at 22, maybe we’ve lived different lives, everyone has different experiences
@@Crowfist thank you!
I just love you, Bruce. You are such a solid person. We can tell you were and still are a great dad. Thank you for being an example to young men.
Agreed!
Amen Bruce on speaking out against corporal punishment...and the fruits of your larbor are obvious.....Great job !!
Love your show. I really like the way you explain the cases.
Thank you for explaining the effects corporal punishment has on a child. Hitting a child teaches them nothing but to be scared of you.
EDIT: This is a literal fact. Countless studies have been done proving so. Literally a simple google search will provide every reputable medical source saying so.
I think modern history would disagree
Yeah, no. Spankings are required for discipline.
@@iamwhoiam7887 all that did was make me extremely talented at hiding things from parents.
Or hate you and never speak to you again. My mother beat the living hell out of me as a kid…. “I am spanking you because your are crying so I have to spank you until you stop crying…”. Nice
@@iamwhoiam7887 can't believe you hit your wife!
I have a thousand issues with these two “alleged” child abusers, but I also have a serious issue with their apparent 2 million followers/fans. How could any thinking, caring, logical person choose to watch and follow any of what Ruby espouses? Methinks plenty of their fans abuse their own kids and feel entitled to do so. As an adult still healing from child abuse, my heart breaks for the Franke kids and all abused children.
It's because its rage bait, mostly.
I hope you find healing, peace and happiness.
According to the reports, there were a fair number of viewers that reported them but nothing was done.
Her followers are a huge reason why she was finally caught.
They got famous when they were still relatively normal. Then people started noticing little things years ago. Forcing a 5 year old to maker her own lunch an did she forgets it then she doesn’t eat, taking her oldest sons room away for 7 months, showing her daughter on camera while talking about her period for all her followers. People started having issues and reporting them. Nothing was done. 2 years ago they stopped posting anything on the family channel. Then a little while later ruby pops up again on a Facebook group called connections. They said crazy shit, still no one knew she was physically abusing her kids. Then she starts a connections channel with Jodie, they have way less than 2 million followers than the family channel and MOST people hated this. More people reported. Nothing done. Kids got older, she had 2-3 out of the house, they’ve tried reporting them nothing happens. Then it came to this and it was a shock to everyone that it was going this far. They hadn’t seen the kids in 2 years. And I’ve never been a fan
OMFG you brought back a memory for me! My daughter was doing her usual snooping (which can be a good thing because whenever I misplaced something, 99% of the time she could find it), she found a impressive toy of mine. She then showed it to all of the neighborhood kids. We had a lovely chat about not going through my stuff and the word “privacy” lol! Ah those were the days!
I have always loved watching your channel and now I like it more.
You have always been very helpful in explaining what is going on, you have been quite helpful and funny as hell.
But most importantly,
You are not just another lawyer on CZcams. You are a good human being.
For any adults out there struggling with getting over an abusive parent, these were the stages I went through: (1) Realizing that, they don't like me. (2) Realizing that, they never liked me. There's no relationship to "go back to." (3) If I ever owed them anything--for feeding me, clothing me, giving me shelter and life--that I already paid them back the debt in full, because: [exhaustive list of abuses endured]. I needed to go through these mind changes, to get over the constant self-doubt, anger and guilt.
Yes and you have to realise that if you write the letter that you want to write all it will do is mean that you then have to deal with their denial. A total cut is the only answer.
Its dealing with the enablers in my family that I found more difficult because it took me a lot longer to realise that I wasn't going to get through to them
You don't owe them anything. Bringing you into the world was a choice that they made, and that choice puts obligations on them, not you.
Same here.
What are you talking about? "YoU MuSt LoVe YoUr FaMily uNcoNdiTioNalLy" zzzz. Like anyone who says that shit has no idea how bad some are.
The grief of realizing that I'll never have the parents my inner child needed was terrible. But it was so freeing afterward because I knew that there was nothing I did or didn't do to "fix" out relationship
It gets even worse on the "taking the bedroom away for 7 months" issue, she then sent her son to a disciplinary "camp" for several months! A camp that had kids die while in their custody. Thank God he made it through that horrible experience!
What camp is this? Kids died?
I truly appreciate your kandor & your complete honesty
So glad to hear you don’t believe in hitting children!! I’m a firm believer in never hitting children! It left me with nothing but trauma! Our son was never hit and he is one of the most amazing 21 year old men you could ever meet. Kid has a heart of gold!🥰 I’m beyond proud of the man I raised using simple communication not my hands.
Ruby actually seems to get off on being cruel to her children. To take away the two youngest kid’s’ Christmas presents while the others get to open theirs is especially evil. That poor boy talking about not getting food, no friends, no computer, etc. had black circles under his eyes and just sounded so defeated that I could just cry for him. I’m sick and tired of religious zealots abusing their kids through their fucked up interpretation of the Bible. The dark blue circles under the eyes can be a sign of anemia but it can also be allergies or sleep deprivation. The point is, he already looked sick in this video and also appeared to be depressed. You shouldn’t have to feel like you’re living in someone else’s house, it’s also your home when you’re stuck living there for 18 years you should feel like you have a safe and happy place to live. Unbelievable.
I noticed those dark circles as well. My heart goes out for these poor children.
These two women are in for a rude awakening in prison.
Yeah. A child doesn’t ask to be born and they have no choice to live somewhere else, so saying “this is my house, everything here is mine” is just absurd. It would be different if they were over 18, at that point I would understand saying “while you live under my roof..” but for an actual child, that is their HOME and it should feel like such. They shouldn’t feel like they are constantly beholden to their mother and must act grateful. Again, they have no other choice. They should also feel loved and wanted. You brought them to this world, don’t act like they are such a burden and ungrateful little sh!ts just because they act like children. And she doesn’t even do the bare minimum of clothing, feeding and housing the children, AND making them feel safe and loved. So what exactly are they supposed to respect?
@@imaginekudryavka9485 I agree! I can’t believe that the teacher didn’t find it most unusual that a 6 year old is supposed to pack their own lunch for school! I have 4 grandkids ages. 8,6,3,2 and there’s just no way even the 8 year old would be capable of remembering or even doing it properly. She didn’t work outside the home so one would think she could take the time to actually make lunches for her kids or let them eat the school lunch! Then she says she hopes no one else feeds her…that is just sick. Sometimes I feel like all I do is feed kids when I watch them because they are always wanting to eat so for her kids to go hungry is cruel and unusual punishment for such minor offenses to Ruby which looks like could be anything. Just awful.
I agree, she obviously views her children as adversaries. She’s a sadist who smiles like the Grinch when she gets ready to get them in trouble. I hope she and her partner in crime get life
Duct tape is not a parenting tool. More pearl-handled gold wisdom from Bruce Rivers!
I had a mother like Ruby. Minus the duct tape lmao. But, you are completely right about holidays and special 'happy' times of the year. Every single holiday and my own birthday is just days of sadness and depression. I can't enjoy them anymore. I am trying to relearn that, but its very hard. I truly hope these kids relearn happiness and have healthy lives.
I love your take on children. I agree with ever word you said about them. My children were the best thing that ever happened to me. I couldn't imagine doing ANY of that to them.
Teacher here. Positive reinforcement works. There may be an occasion where they need a time out or have something taken away (NOT food). I have always practiced this in class and give and receive respect. Children are a gift. I loved teaching because the kids are beautiful.
My mom was physically abused as a kid. She never hit us but the emotional abuse was severe. But the thought of a kid being denied food and water and tied with tape - holy crap. I just can't... It's sad and infuriating. What kind of freak does that? Thought goes into it, it's not a slap out of frustration and it's not a derogatory put-down out of frustration. It's premeditated. Sickening.
Edit - oh she did the emotional abuse as well i see. Freak.
Good on your mom for at least trying to break the cycle. I'm sure for you it was still awful, and traumatizing. There was at least an effect there. Ruby clearly revels in abusing the kids. Like there's such clear vitriol she holds towards her kids. To me this is so far beyond abuse, it's quite literally torture.
@@Oliviaandtrina i have forgiven my mom exactly because she did break the cycle of physical abuse, which was pretty bad in my grandparents' world.
Thank you!😍
Ruby is a psycho. You are right, she seems to revel in it. Here's what gets me - can you imagine plotting to tie up your kid while you're at Home Depot buying duct tape? *shivers*
Exactly the same with my mom, she spanked us and yelled sometimes but she came from so much worse that I can’t help but be thankful that she tried her best to always let me know I was loved and teach right from wrong. I was always fed well, maintained well, and told I was important. Easy to forgive the few mistakes when she was so clearly full of love for us
@@joannasundayYeah, that's one of the main reasons I'm not going to have children by choice. It hurts me, but the endless cycle of abuse must be broken and I'm not 100% sure I can do it. I got beaten up a bit but that's meh. What was much more scarring is being gaslighted. As a child it sucked so much. Who'd believe a ten year old when half the village says "naaaah. That's not possible. X wouldn't do that. And even if, you probably deserved it."
I had the opposite, would sit there for hours with a plate of cold dinner....I have food allergies, that's why I couldn't eat.
another great video bruce, you are doing an amazing job.
I was waiting for you to do a video on this case and it just showed up on my feed yay!!
My parents beat me and my mother molested me. Child abusers are scum, I'm right there with you Bruce. You're one of my favorite CZcamsrs these days because of all the excellent takes. Keep up the good work man.
I’m sorry 😢
I survived, and I have two nieces and two nephews and I love them dearly. They're the light of my life those kids :) @@kjh6903
There is a clip about her talking about unconditional love, and how if her children don't follow her principles they don't love her unconditionally. That's the saddest thing I've heard. She obviously doesn't know what unconditional love is. I made choices and my children have made choices that have hurt my parents and myself. But, I don't love my children any less. There is nothing they could ever do that would cause me to not love and accept them. They are the greatest part of me. They are my greatest treasures.
Bruce, I absolutely love how you bring recognition to your son Michael Rivers, but at the same time and not him as a grown man not just your son that’s about his business I appreciate that
This case is so heartbreaking. I hope these kids get the help they need and learn what love really is. ❤❤❤
Thank you Bruce for stating never hit a child. Spare the rod spoil the child is bull$hit. How much counseling will these children need for years.
Just when I thought I couldn't like you any more, you don't excuse corporal punishment. THANK YOU. No child should be hit or hurt for any reason, ever
Bruce is a professonally successful individual most of all a decent person.
I absolutely disagree. There are absolutely valid reasons for children to be hit. Hitting and striking is a core part of our lifestyle. But we're all in taekwondo, so that is part and parcel. As a punishment? It definitely shouldn't happen.
@@PitifulDelayyou sound insane
@@remigal899 I guess we have different definitions of insanity. Taekwondo is a discipline that teaches courtesy, integrity, self control, perseverance, and to never give up. It promotes confidence and self esteem. Doing it together as a family creates quality bonding time. It helps to keep us active and maintains our flexibility. And ... sparring is a part of it. That means punching, kicking, and blocking. And, sometimes, that means getting hurt.
If that fits within your definition of insanity, then I will happily agree that I am insane.
My answer was somewhat tongue in cheek. Krista997 made a blanket statement that there was no reason at all, under any circumstances for any child to be hit or hurt. I provided an example where children being hit is perfectly valid. As a parent dealing out punishment, the statement is true. Punishment is not about correcting the unwanted behavior, but about applying blame and shame, and is an ineffective parenting tool.
Thank you Bruce for telling it like it should be said 👊
Hi Michael Rivers! You’re a genius and are so blessed to have such an incredible relationship with your dad! 😊