Paul George On Load Management and Why He Thinks Injuries Are So Frequent Today
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- čas přidán 1. 03. 2023
- Paul George (The Los Angeles Clippers) talks about the NBA's load management problem and why he believes The NBA game and practice schedule is a huge reason why there's so many injuries in the NBA today.
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jj can you please yell this to everyone in the league you know and run into. can we make nba great again. starting with the ref'ing of games and scheduling
Hey JJ, thanks for another great episode. I always thought of load management not as a way to prevent injuries during any given season, but more as a way to lengthen careers. I know my dad came up playing professional tennis back in the 70s and he basically couldn't play the sport anymore by the time he was 35 because of all the repetitive stress he was putting on his knees and back.
The problem with this is it doesn’t prevent injuries it just ruins fans who saved up to go to the games
love the care with which you speak
specific, clear, no vague cliches
thank you
Imagine being a Clippers fan and purchasing a ticket knowing you only have what feels like a 30% chance to see Kawhi Leonard actually play 😂
Imagine being a clippers fan
Imagine being a Clippers fan and losing multiple championship runs to CP and Blake Griffin injuries. I don't think it's any accident the clippers with a player like Kawhi are taking this approach.
@@surenick3460 What success have they gotten with Load management there still always injured
Never met anyone claiming he's a Clippers fan no 🧢
@@James_utd123 the ring in Toronto and that’s it bro😂 I guess that’s why they think like that
What is shitty is the teams letting the players take all the heat from sitting out. Sitting out more often than not seems to be the decision of the teams medical staff, yet teams do very little to counter the media narrative of that player choosing to rest instead of play.
Fair point
Isn't that a decision both the player and the staff has to make?
@@TekkLuthor pretty sure the medical team has the final say at the end of the day if someone is “cleared” to play that day. If they’re not cleared they’re forced to sit out
I mean the players can also alleviate that themselves if they wanted to just like PG is doing right now. Its not that hard to tell people that the medical staff or the team doesn't want them to play
@@dre27321 not everybody has the platform
I think one thing people neglect to notice is how the game’s changed. With the pace and space era, there’s more running around. Most crucially, you’re making sudden, sharp changes in direction while trying to preserve as much speed as possible. That puts a lot of stress on your muscles and joints. It adds up over time
The game is definitely more explosive. I love when my father in law complains about them 'jogging' up the court because in his day, they would be benched if they didn't run as hard as they could up and down the court.
@@226butters226 if you look at any old clip of basketball they deadass just walk up the court and pass it to the center until something opens up or the center throws up some bs 😭
People neglect to notice that load management became more rampant under Adam Silver. David Stern would have never allowed load management just like Goodell doesn't in the NFL. Silver is a pushover and players are taking advantage of that.
Before the low scoring era of the late 90’s / early 2000’s there was the run and gun philosophy which was all about fast breaks and high tempo and the teams that employed that didn’t ever have any patterns of injuries so I don’t think it’s style of play making players injured, i think it’s the mileage they go through before entering the leauge. Its the AAU circuit. The highest ranked players are playing non-stop competitive games all year round against eachother from like the age of 6 right up untill they get to college.
@@trevorc8778 I was having this same conversation with a dude at work about this. David stern was all about his brand globally, Adam Silver is more of a players commissioner. well said !!!
This whole episode was an excellent interview. PG was a class act and I really appreciated and respected his answers. Didn’t give filler answers and honestly said it how it is
those answers were nothing but fillers.... he made no new points that we didn't already know.
@texturalbard There is nothing more to be said on load management. Every interview is 'It helps players. It hurts fans. Filler filler bla bla'
@@texturalbard What new info did you want to hear? He said his opinion that load management leads to injuries and that the medical staff tracks how much they play. You’re just trying to be edgy
This gives a really good perspective on the issue aside from media’s general point of player’s taking time off because they simply don’t want to play.
JJ is really good in this topic about being fair. It’s an *extremely* complex issue.
There are definitely guys in professional sports who just want their check and have no problem not playing. BUT I don’t think applies to your stars. You don’t get to be that good unless you really love the game and want to play
@@michaelahurtthe entire movement started bc of a player. Saying it’s not a player issue is disingenuous. Players used to override the Organizations all the time 😂 Kobe dislocated a finger got it snapped back in place and kept playing. Walking on torn Achilles to shoot free throws… klay and Kobe were advised not to
@@RecapRico Michael Jordan sat out a bunch more games than he wanted when he broke his ankle. (Krause didn’t want him to come back at all.) Yes, the player ultimately decides but don’t act like teams haven’t been doing this forever.
But now you have all these doctors telling you if you play you’re gonna suffer a catastrophic injury.
Part of it is players but it’s not JUST players like you’re making it seem. There are a dozen or more factors
@@michaelahurt teams have been telling players to play hurt forever as well so it’s a 2 way street is my point. IT was cleared and the entire medical staff got fired. The kawhi spurs situation also. But then we have Lebron breaking a scoring record than taking a week off, or his mid season Miami vacation
@@RecapRicoWhen did they ever say it wasn’t a player issue? Idk why some people even try to argue you’re just typing words.🤣Maybe you just want your voice heard.
He’s 100% right. People try and knock the kings for their record cause they have been mostly healthy. Yet every kings reporter this year has talked about how mike brown has the team practicing more days than any coach they have seen and long practices… speaks truth to what pg said
Really good note here. Obviously with teams full of older players will likely have more injuries. But it’s like coaches actually have a role in keeping their teams healthy and playing well! Not just on the players
Mike Brown really has turned the Kings around. It seems all that was needed was a simple coaching change
This is an excellent point
I was just thinking about this. It's crazy players back in the day could play all 82 games without getting hurt but dudes that are load managing with the best care end up getting hurt more often
Players were less athletic used less range of motion and played at a slower pace. Traveled less.
@@shaulyehudah29 yeah for sure. I thought it was strange the more athletic players end up getting hurt more frequently
I’d imagine teams also urged players to play through injuries. Basically, I think players got injured much more than was released and ticket sales were a much bigger portion of profits than today
@@Username2521hh yep and it’s why players would experience serious decline in their early 30s.
Dude, they're all hurt. They just push through it, that's why they all have short careers and short peaks. Look at Lillard, he's getting up in age and yet he's still performing at a high level, look at Bron (mostly an outlier but still).
But what's wrong now is with these young guys, they just don't know how to play properly that's why they are usually injured, look at AD, Zion, Lamelo, Lonzo. Guys nowadays aren't playing the right way and their postures and landing are usually so erratic that they usually get injured. They mostly play like D Wade or D Rose, they play haphazardly wanting to make highlights that they land badly.
By far my favorite conversation on the topic. Valid points made
I give PG props for still playing to this day remember back in the day when he snapped his leg in half and he was out for like a season and a half I praise and for coming back and still being able to fly
People quick to forget just how brutal PG's injury was. He's not my favourite player but you have got to respect a man for getting back to such a high level after that.
Ya that was crazy
It was such an unfortunate injury and at a team USA showcase too man, so glad he still be ballin since tho
Yeah I can’t imagine watching that again… brutal
It's incredible that people were saying PG13, who came back from THAT, lacks some kind of toughness.
Another quality podcast. You can see the respect these superstars have for JJ which makes for a great listen.
I haven't heard anyone else bring up point JJ made about the games coming in constantly due to the new scheduling format. This is the value of having former players as a pundit. As a pleb, the effects of "uncrunching" the schedule didn't even cross my mind and I must say, it makes complete sense.
A good take on this is overall injury history. Younger players are playing more games, for longer seasons, and far more rigorously due to social media and image/reputation maintenance. I think the Ball brothers are really good examples of this. They had such long seasons and competed in leagues that extended their game minutes during their youths. I think that has yet to be a long enough standing practice to see what it's effect will have on the NBA. I think the impact of European players may have an effect.
I think a good show would be to compare the youth programs in Europe vs the U.S.
Don't forget Michael Porter Jr.
I really liked the point about the mental break. The shorter breaks between work loads are important for the work itself, but the longer ones allow you to focus on yourself.
“Your body built a callus” he definitely speaking facts.
Great Convo.
Thanks
It’s simple - the game has evolved to be higher paced and more running then in the past to make it more entertaining. But this also equals more wear and tear on the body per game. And players want to have long careers as opposed to short ones.
The problem needed to be solved is that there needs to be a structured formalized mechanism to allow load management without impacting the entertainment factor of the game.
That are a lot of these guys have been playing since well b4 15 yrs old so that’s minimum 15 yrs of basketball under their belts. It’s eventually gonna crack too
There was plenty of running in the past ever seen a 60’s game? Also they were running just as much in converse…
"More entertaining" I love it. If your ADHD riddled audience (well the people that you know will click on ads and buy stuff on commercials) hates basketball so much, then why not just show something else in place of the NBA game?
Some of my favorite NBA games of all-time had a ending score in the 80s or 90s.
But Tucker will change the channel if that scoreboard doesn't light up approximately every three and a half seconds so here we are.
This is only half true. There probably is more running on offense but less running on defense since most teams rely on zone defense and switching everything up. So in the end its same amount.
@@stevefrench6191 I think the main difference between the 60s and now is how prevalent off ballovement is today. The 60s were fast but that was mostly running up and down the court. Modern games also have a lot more lateral movement that also involves having to run around/through more screens that ever before.
Wow. This is a phenomenal take from PG. Great thoughts!
I think the playing styles has alot to do with the injuries. The players movement. The game being faster also. Even down to the way players crossover and dribbles.
Really well said on the team culture of load management that's lost in the larger conversation
Thank you Pop!!! You started this load management wit Timmy,Geno and Parker
This really opened stuff up for me great discussion!
Take a shot everytime PG says "Ukno".
Great interview with Paul. I really get a good perspective from the players pov.
It’s actually a great point about going full force for a game and then resting making them weaker. The human body is like any other mechanism, it’s more likely to fail if you keep changing its state.
Take a spring for example: it’s not compressing it that weakens it’s tension, it’s compressing and decompressing constantly that wears it down.
great to have george's take on this
A lot of greats in the 80's, 90's and 00's would've benefited greatly from load management. Guys like Bernard King, Larry Bird, Isaiah Thomas, Larry Johnson, TMac, Yao, etc..
Wow that was a great point by JJ
Idk, I think you're actually more injury-prone the longer you're out of the game too, as well as the longer you stay in the game. There's a balance of the two and that's different for everyone. Though I don't think players should be missing more than half of games. Give fans more than a 50% chance to see their fav players
I don't get how they cannot schedule all the back to backs such that the team having to play the back to back games does it at their home arena.
If they keep saying these regular season games don’t matter they need to decrease ticket prices. Someone needs to stand up for the fans, imagine you’re in the Pacific Northwest and you travel to Portland to see a game from WA, Idaho, Utah, etc to see your favorite player and they don’t play because of “load management” you’re just leaving a bad taste in the mouths of fans who save up for these games and make whole events and trips out of them only to be disappointed.
Very interesting points that I hadn’t considered before.
Right after this interview, the Clippers announced that Paul George will be out for the next game due to Load Management.
Training facilities, diet , physical fitness is better now than back in the day...the only thing I can think of is maybe the pace of the game is sped up much more now than back then
A lot more possessions, back to backs. Etc
And the game was way more physical back in the day... there's no valid excuses. The pace of the game doesn't trump getting more rest, having better treatment and the game being way less physical now.
It’s not just pace. It’s the stopping, starting, changing direction. You are doing more on each possession because you are playing over a larger space now.
Perhaps, with a 5 games in 7 stretch, there was an incentive to play slower because you’re already tired and want to make it to the end of the game
Are you really sure physical fitness is better than back in the day? I got evidence it's not, just look at all this load management.... 🙄
I look at load management like sick days at a job: if I'm not physically ill or have any family emergencies, then I'm showing up to work even if I don't want to show up. Why would I call off work for no reason if I'm healthy enough to go in? I get that players don't want to put tons and tons of mileage on their bodies, but at the end of the day if you don't have a severe injury like something being broken, torn, or ruptured, you should be on the floor. Unless an ankle injury is to the point that I can't put weight on it, I'm playing.
The issue with load management is the same as the issue with high school wrestlers cutting weight. If one person does it they have a huge advantage, if everyone does it, it becomes the standard and is just as unhealthy, but not helping you win anymore.
In wrestling the most I ever seen people get injured is when they weren’t going as hard as they should be . Mostly practice is where the dings would come . Guys going for shots not fully committed then all of a sudden their knee is laying on the mat 😢
Its come to a point I don't tune in to games on tipoff. I wait till after the 1st quarter, to check the box score to see who's actually playing to determine if I'm gonna watch the game or not. Which is sad.
This is alarming. As a kings fan, every single player praises Mike brown for these long hard fought practices. And we’ve been the healthiest team in the NBA. Paul George is 100% correct. Practicing casually and then competing hard during games is a recipe for failure. I would definitely point blame at the clippers coaching staff. I love PG and I would love to see him stay healthy
Paul George is right. Late 90’s bulls were known for crazy intense practices and weight training. They didn’t miss games
Well Jordan missed 2 entire seasons
Hes the goat of load management too 😂
@@michelemeriggi lmao good one
Paul George is basically revealing that load management does not work and is actually contributing to more injuries. Players union get ready. This new contract is gonna be something
damn...my team, the Raptors, have 19 games left and only 3 two day breaks in between games. Also 2 back to backs. What a grind.
FVV, Pascal and OG will play all 48 minutes in the next 6 weeks.
I always wonder the fact that athletes are bigger, faster, and stronger than the previous generations has something to do with more injuries (in all sports). It's like comparing a daily driver car to a race car.....if a Toyota Camry travels 300 miles in a day, you don't have to do much, if any maintenance or repair, but if an F1 car does 300 miles in a day, while it is a superior car, it has to spend time in the garage for maintenance
JJ has to be one of the best player interviewers
What are these chips that they are measuring?
Had no idea they wear chips
good discussion. given they share the arena with the lakers and other pro teams, don't think that has ever helped their schedule. will make a difference when they move
It is crazy the lack of practices.
Certified "Fri-DAY" Classic
Greg Pop started that with SA last couple final runs.
04:24 thats a technical foul right there
“We wanna play” - Just like Kawhi wanted to play in San Antonio yea? We believe you.
I gotta watch the entire interview for context. Because that is a wild quote from PG
Someone please tell me where I can get Tommy's The Old Man & the Three Alpha Industries bomber jacket!!!!
Injuries are common because the rule changes have encouraged a specialized kind of body. Like thoroughbreds, they are built to do one thing, and they break down frequently.
I believe him to a degree… but I don’t think it’s a coincidence that once the stars get their max deals they play less and less…. Except for Giannis
Giannis I'd the man. Love his ethic
It makes sense. Teams are gonna protect a 200M investment more than a 15M player
I Think I’ll listen to the NBA player
Tatum and Giannis really the only dudes who are stars that try to play every game
Jokic too and Luka
take a shot everytime he says "you know"
What happened to players trying to play all 82 games??? Without the same physicality how can u not play all 82 games??
shorten the season make up the difference in the playoffs and that will incentvize
teams to put their best product out. The season after the lockout was the perfect lenghth
Thank you Paul George for saying what I have been saying. There’s a much more positive correlation between load management and injuries than the reverse. The more time off, the more injuries
That’s not how the body works. Literally, load management is one of the better things to happen for the players, especially in todays basketball. You don’t just get more injuries from resting more. There’s a reason why bodybuilders and powerlifters have “deload weeks” programmed into there programming. Or any sport has an “off season” it’s to rest and recover from the wear and tear that’s accumulating on the body. The reason for all the injuries is because the game today is at a much higher pace alongside all of the traveling and scheduling. Some weeks you’ll have back-to-back games and then have to travel just to have another back-to-back schedule. Don’t get me wrong, I’d love to see all of the best players play as much as possible but I’d much more want to see them healthy enough to KEEP PLAYING rather than redline their CNS, accumulating fatigue and then risking being out an entire season because they didn’t like “load managing”
@@LukeWeyrauch93 hmmm, well Kawhi just missed an entire season and he was being load managed , Zion is about to be out dam near the rest of the season and he was being load managed , AD missed almost 2 months … the list can go on.
You said all that just to say you would much rather see the players play, and they still getting hurt so I don’t really see your point .
@Luke Weyrauch What about the double standard it sets . Only super stars are allowed this treatment?? How come the roles players are expected to play every single game.. is there so called health you're saying this helps with just isn't important. It's ridiculous. There's no defending these dudes making multi millions of dollars for not doing their jobs! I climb ladders up and down by myself everyday, for less then 30 and hour. I'm expected to do my job. Stop making excuses for these people who get paid ridiculous amounts of money to do their jobs and show up. If you're healthy, play the damn game
@@LukeWeyrauch93 I don’t think you Lu are correct
Rest is important but so is staying active and keeping momentum
So after listening to multiple players on this and topping it off with what paul said, The NBA needs revert the scheduling back to how to was, as well as change the ways in how the medical team works. Before watching this, i wondered why players the last decade wasn't getting hurt like that and why today players are. Pg hit it right on the nail with what he said which lined up with what other players have said which is the clear underlying issue, the schedule and the medical teams.
From my observation and experience it has everything to do with the way the game is played.
In the past the pain wast packed so players moved slower and used more strength. Now the paint is open and 200-275 pound men are running around with momentum so that raises the probability of a bump or step on someone's foot becoming a injury.
Even more importantly is all the fast cuts and momentum changes players play with today.
A lot of modern basketball moves are horrible for your ankles and knees. Older players played with more basic movements that the body is made for.
On top of that basketball today has more pace which increases the fatigue and when players are fatigued playing the way they do their body just gives out.
😮 All of those sound plausible and probably the biggest reasons. I also think players that played deep into playoffs should then take enough time off to allow their bodies to fully recover.
Watch reggie Miller play steve kerr and btw even with all your theories back then it's still bad for your knees to move like that no matter if your running cutting look at the showtime lakers all they did was run run run miami heat and you still have to move Lateral when your on defense and push back I've never seen this many people be injured that's me watching basketball for 13 years load managing hasn't helped zion ad it didn't help kawhi jamal murray injuries are just luck and part of the game your causing more cause your not letting your body get used to the work load your body adapts to things but it can't do it if your not consistently doing it
yup. it requires an extra level of attention and work on your body.
I think there's also an increase in injuries due to the change in the way the game is played now. For example, pace is higher, so there's more activity within the same timeframe. But probably more impactful are the types of movements and the evolution of play-style in the game now (think the type of crossovers, eurosteps, step throughs, full speed then stopping and transitioning into a step back or pivot, etc.). In the 90s, dribbling restrictions were much tighter (e.g., no carrying the ball), which would limit the types of lateral movement players could make, and therefore there was less directional strain on the knees and other ligaments. I don't think it's merely load-managing or players being built tougher back in the day that has caused the dramatic increase in the types of injuries I described (ACL, MCL, achilles, etc.).
The game and pace and possessions were faster in the late sixties.
@@Gnofg in the sixties they weren’t as explosive
Wow that part he said they no longer work or practice as hard is a big factor. Another reason why this era of basketball is soft
Make the NBA like baseball. 27 three game series. That would be fire. For example, Memphis goes to Boston for 5 days in those 5 days they play 3 games. The NBA could make some awesome regular season series and it would give the nba playoff vibes all year and your record would still determine the seeding.
I think more of it is also what you put in your body. In today's world, the amount of food produced that is processed (esp restaurants) is very different than before. Organic eating is healthy eating and I'm sure that is a big part
I think it is just all the teams that do it. Injuries are cause they play frantic now. The rules since 2005 are what is causing more injuries now.
What rule?
People who don’t exercise don’t even understand the importance of rest and recovery. Less games would prevent injuries 💯
Doctors and medical teams are at all time highs but players still miss games. I’m fine if they miss7-10 games all year but u have guys missing 20-25 consistently
I went to the Lakers game twice and AD and Lebron both sit out both times but of course teams don't announce injury report until 30 mins before the game.
Kobe believed the same thing paul is saying at 6:00 when it came to his shoes. He noticed ballerinas had low-top shoes and incredibly strong ankles. He believed the high-top shoes that most players wore actually made their ankles weaker by protecting them from certain movements.
Yes and no tho, Ballerina's also have significant over use injuries in ankles knees, calves etc same as gymnast who are barefoot. Ideally you want to train/strengthen the body parts without any "support" but play and maybe practice with support.
😂bro Kobe didn’t come up with that you weird freak. Medical professionals figured out that modern high tops were putting too much torque on players knees because they were too restrictive. I like Kobe too but this is the most outrageously stupid thing I’ve read.
Just revisiting how stupid your comment is. Just mind numbingly ignorant. Let me guess, you think vaccines have microchips? 😂
@@BC21beatspretty sure you nailed it with this comment
It's crazy they got chips monitoring their bodies what's next DBZ scouters 😭
Lol I don't know why but this made me imagine Ja Morant with spiky yellow hair 😂
Good answer
I’ve seen the clippers play in Dallas twice PG my favorite player didn’t play neither game
Its the same as a 9-5 job. I would reather work hard Mon-Fri and take Sat-Sun off. But the way they do it now is
play Mon-Tue off Wed
play Thur off Fri
play Sat off Sun
having a 5 day break I would imagine is pretty nice for the players and just play hard during the games. Work hard rest hard
I think one of the flaws with relying so heavily on analytics and numbers... is that youre relying on data that's produced by folks who more or less haven't had to put their own bodies through the same things that these world class athletes have experienced since they were in secondary school.
My point being... JJ, PG and most world class athletes probably know their own body better than any analytics guy could.
Damn the point about eliminating back to backs but it meaning 3.5 games a week is scary
idk, as a basketball fan, i'm half for and half against load management..!mostly against "load management" for tanking or non serious injuries that medically shouldn't translate into significant injuries..
as a warriors fan, i've seen it work watching draymond come back from a calf/back injury, steph and all the injuries he's dealt with considering his injury history, and now wiggs and klay.
but then again, come playoff and finals time, we've seen KD come back from a calf strain too soon and ended up tearing his achilles..
the warriors have probably played close to two extra seasons considering all the consistent playoff and finals runs they've made in the past decade..
I agree to a degree with PG. However I will say this, the game nowadays is played more full court than half court. Guys are always shooting and running. You need the load management if that's they type of basketball being played. No team should be attempting 35+ 3 pointers a night. That's crazy.
If you watch a game from the 80's or 90's, focus on the movement of players on defensive off the ball, and ditto for on offense. It's like a completely different sport. So.eone should do a tracking exercise and actually compare the data !
The late sixties the game was even faster and people played fast break all the time. More possessions back then also. So much for that argument.
Ummm, watch the tapes - it's not the up and down the court stuff, it's the help and recover, chase the shooter around screens etc... the off-ball stuff.. also, injuries happened a lot in the 60's.
Load management could be fixed by cutting minutes
Exactly.thats what i have been saying.
How bout no play no pay
Players used to play more minutes..... and were getting injured less
@@gameimprovements4347 damn straight practice hard and hit the weight room
“We wear chips “ 1:55 🤔🤔🤔🤔
dang. i didnt know they wear chips while playing to get those statistics. crazy!! no wonder there is a load management. These teams also want to protect their players to the point that having a poor statistic on their start players on top of the injury will put them into a disadvantage when trading them.
i do know
Think it depends on injuries.. lower legs aren’t a joke ie:Lonzo now
Cut the season down to 70 games and eliminate many of the back to backs. Take 25% off preseason. That would be a start.
Chips?? What does he mean by that? Chips that monitor load on the body? How so?
Do role players not need rest too? That's what crosses my mind at this point. PG & Kawhi have gotten everything they wanted I find it hard to believe if they wanted to play more they would be allowed.. However I do believe front offices need to get more of the heat
Better for fans though cause we don’t have to wait multiple days to watch the team that we like.
Bro is that Pgs hair or a beanie
beanie😆
Wait they wear chips to monitor load?
PG seem like such a likeable dude. Prolly real fun to fish with
Don't forget the fact that JJ said Larry Bird isn't a great 3pt shooter.
Paul George says “Ya know” at least 350 times in this clip
My brother went to one NBA game this year. Bucks @ Cavs. Giannis and Mitchell sat out! Damn! That’s trash. Teams have to realize they have a lot of fans that can only afford one game a year.
At least he got to see Garland and Mobley play if that’s any consolation 😭
why thumbnail luka??
The body adapts.
Paul might want to play....Kawahi...maybe sometimes not so much.
PG: We wanna play but ehh uhh well you know... Uhhh analytics, Uhhh Uhh SCIENCE!?
Modern players are at least 20 lbs heavier with a lot start stop movements. That can’t be good for the joints.