Shooting the Allen Thurber pepperbox revolver - TEASER
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- čas přidán 6. 05. 2017
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Ladies and gentleman, that's from the beginning of the revolver era. Going back to the first half of the 19th century to check one of the most popular self defense sidearms of the era: the Allen Thurber pepperbox percussion revolver in action. Full version coming soon to the Cpanadball channel. - Věda a technologie
I like how the grasses are left to grow. I think we go too nuts with lawn care in the US.
Lololol that's cuz with all the spent lead laying around, you risk hitting it with the mower and killing someone with a bullet you fired a year ago lolol LMAO!!!
It's good that you show them these revolvers from time to time so that we can remember what it was like and why they took such engineering and technical design decisions.
I think the black powder revolvers suck if you don't convert them they don't like to go off and constantly jam. Works great when converted though
Short and to the point. The perfect video I was looking for.
One has to love old guns that still preform, good looking too.
When craftsmanship and artistry was involved. Now look, mass production.
@@tenko8519 yeah! How dare manufacturing evolve and become more efficient and less labor intensive.
@@JoeKurr5 The end product is often not nearly as good quality however.
If Uberti makes a repro, I'd buy one. Great revolver, nice shooting!
What a magnificent piece of mechanics!
Thanks for sharing 👍
love things that go BANG and make you smile.
Agree
sooo looking forward to seeing that pepperbox vid!
Awesome! Beautiful metal and woodwork!
Can hardly wait guys! We need more videos from you.
Stew Knoles
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That's a beautiful little piece of engineering right there.
Looks like fun, can't wait!
Can't wait for the video! Seems like a fun shooter
Eeyup. I see a lot of them pepperbox type guns for sale from time to time. Seems he found a good one.
Excited for the review!
Raamamrr
That's one of my dream guns, thanks for sharing and cheers from France
I love loud noises of old gun... Nice
Thanks for sharing!!
Great pepper box, good video, thank you.
CAN'T WAIT!
This gun is extremely interested. I need to get one. Plus i loved the appearance and module
I can't wait to see that, there is so much mentioning of pepperboxes as almost useless, but would they have been so popular and widespread if that was true? I'm very curious about the things to come!
Compared to modern revolver design, a pepperbox design does not have a cylinder gap. Bullets will leave its barrel with more force. I'm not an engineer, but I don't see any problem making a pepperbox that can accept modern ammo. Giving it some sort of swing-out crane and making it sturdy enough to handle pressure from today's cartridges shouldn't be hard.
The real problem I foresee are cost and size. Each chamber gets its own barrel. The gun will need more material and precision machining compared to modern revolvers. Those extra barrels will also make it more bulky. It will be more inconvenient to carry and harder to conceal.
As a shooter and consumer, I've got no problem with a modern pepperbox revolver if it works well enough, but a lot will come down to its price. From a manufacturer's perspective, cost is going to be the bottom line.
Should have stopped at "I'm not an engineer"
Please. I don't need a degree to know and say what I posted.
Some companies have and still make pepperbox-style firearms that function well. It's the cost of making them and their return on investment that's the problem.
@@DreamPen
I know this is a long time back but another reason why pepperbox designs fell out of favor is that having more barrels also means multiple points of impact. Trying to align all 6 barrels to have the exact same point of impact is possible but will require some pretty amazingly precise machining that will have very expensive out of tolerance failures. The accuracy reviews will also be terrible as a result.
Still, a superlight material setup in mousegun caliber as a break open with a modern rimless cartridge ejector star could be an awesome defensive carry piece. The fact that a pepperbox could set the chambers all the way back in the grip area could get more barrel length to let those little bullets up tio a more proper speed and modern metallurgy with the lower pressure rounds could have the barrels small enough and close enough to make the entire package small and easy to carry. I'd buy two... probably in .380
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way more power than I thought.
Are you ever going to publish the material you did testing medieval-style lamellar armor against bows?
Can't wait.
You didn't patch the ball? Did you use wadding underneath it?
What a tease!
beautiful gun
Brilliant thumbnail
have you the downs?
Looks like every old school pirate's weapon of choice. I like it
Fabulous weapons
Looks like your having a fun time ..
Very nice.
wow, breaking the mith of pepperbox guns! that one looks like serious business,
Wait a minute... are you the model for the bad guy target at 0:35?
It seemed to shoot well. It hit the target twice before it fell. Pretty impressive.
Cool classic gun
man, I hate it when you tease us!
Man, I love guns.
Can we find plans about how to replicate this ?
Saw one last month at a gun show for $800. Pricey but cool.
nice new video 😎
I hope this thing, which I´ve bought and possess legally will put an end to my miseries for good
Are you ok...and how does your comment have likes?
Was that one of the guns that Tuco rejected?
Fable 2 Turret Pistol.
Definitely the inspiration.
"dirtbag" I'm guessing that's the polite way of saying it.
tyler roberts that's exactly what I was thinking :'D
To those that do not know, the "cartoon of the 1849'er (gold) miner", had in one hand a pepperbox revolver, and a Bowie knife in the other. Formidable, is he not?
Purchase Link?
Cool gun.
Colonel Mustard on Library using the thumbnail!
Whats he name of the singing bird in the back ground ?
And just a quick reminder that this was made in the late 18th-early 19th century (you had to spin the barrel by hand tho)
I want one!
The cluedo's gun 😍
Cool!
How old this gun ?
~1850 - 1900
"It was a cheerful weapon--the "Allen." Sometimes all its six barrels would go off at once, and then there was no safe place in all the region round about, but behind it.” - Mark Twain, 'Roughin' It'.
Nice
Now I feel stupid, I always thought you had to rotate a pepper box pistil manually.
To be fair, not many people are aware of just how intricate watchmakers of the day could make their mechinisms.
It truly is amazing to think how they would build something so complicated from scratch with nothing but handtools and measuring devices
That thing is like a hand held Cannon.
wow!
Needs a speed loader. :-) Saw one that was an underhammer with 32 barrels.
Ware can i buy one of those. I'm into all black powder guns
Facts: the Colt 1851 Navy is just a .45 caliber pepperbox with a barrel and a ram rod included
Colt Navy 1851 is .36 caliber and single action only.Many pepper box revolvers were fitted with a barrel extension . These were transition revolvers
And that's why you don't mess with Richard Harrow in any century.
The floreal engraving remember me the guns of roland deschain of the dark tower saga
Super, but very short video!
Also the Duck foot , fired all barrels
* No mercy Percy enters the chat *
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Very cool gun from the age of steam. Love how you smoke that plate with two rapid shots.
Age of steam?
@@garymartin2059 As in steamboats, steam trains, steam boilers to power and/or heat buildings.
Nice gun
How much this is old
Mark Twain commented on the Pepperbox that the safest place to be was in front of it.
Actually he said, " It was a cheerful weapon-the ‘Allen.’ Sometimes all its six barrels would go off at once and then there was no safe place in all the region roundabout but behind it." The very last place he would have stood was in front of it, not much wanting to catch the blast of what had just become an ersatz volley gun.
@@teamnoob52 Thanks for the feedback. Perhaps the enclosed area surrounding the percussion caps would lead to chain firing from the rear whereas revolvers tended to have that issue from the cylinder face.
Mark Twain had choice words about this!!!!!!!!!
This is the pistol of military nurse Florence Nightingale from the FGO
that is the cuttest revolver i have ever seen
Nice ...but plz...make long video...of this gun
That's just the teaser. The full film is coming soon.
Duel wield!
These guns have always puzzled me because they are double action. I've always wondered why arms companies took so long to standardize double action revolvers when this thing was around decades before. Why did it take so much longer to implement double action mechanisms into revolvers?
These guns have double action *only* trigger; that is, you can't cock the hammer by hand, the only way to fire is to pull the trigger. It's much more difficult to implement a true DA firing mechanism found in almost every DA revolver.
Another thing may be that a conventional revolver needs quite precise cylinder timing so that the camber sits locked exactly behind the barrel's forcing cone at the moment of firing. Implementing this is more difficult in DA when all the parts of the firing and locking mechanism are moving simultaneously. It's easier in single action when the cylinder rotates and locks first, before the trigger is pulled. The only requirement for timing of a pepperbox is that the hammer hits the cap or primer.
I read that the Starr DA revolver was the subject of much criticism when deployed because the users simply couldn't operate them correctly. Apparently, so ingrained was the100 year background habit of hammer cocking, which the Starr DA revolver couldn't operate with, that the Starr DA was dropped from issue to soldiers. The Pepperbox's trigger was the DA part. Neither the metal nor the ability of the action permitted a true DA revolver until the Starr came along.
@@nomadpi1 The Starr used a very primitive DA mechanism that was prone to malfunction. The sear was a tiny projection barely visible at the rear of the trigger guard. To fire DA, the "trigger" had a sliding bar at the back that had to be pushed down and locked, allowing the "trigger" to trip the sear at the rear of the trigger-stroke and drop the hammer. For SA fire, the sliding trigger bar was moved to upper position and locked, The trigger was then pulled to the rear, rotating and locking the cylinder, and cocking the hammer. The trigger was released and the shooter then used the sear to SA fire the revolver. Overall a clumsy, impractical system. U.S. Ordnance requested that Starr make SA revolvers, and the Star SA revolver was respected as an effective revolver and fairly well liked. IMO, had Starr eliminated the troublesome "SA/DA-selector sliding trigger bar" and made his Pocket .31, Navy .36 and Army .44 revolvers in "DA only" he would have had a very successful DA revolver for the civilian market. [NOTE Civilians were well acquainted with the popular "DA only" Hopkins & Allen pepperboxes, and would have jumped at a Starr DA revolver's superior accuracy and more efficient design over the popular pepperbox ]. The Starr revolver's primitive mechanism would work very well as either "SA only" or "DA only", but floundered in the ease of transition use between SA/DA that our modern revolver designs are noted for.
Oh you saucy little temptress ;-)
Good
0:39 that evil laugh...😅
can i have it?
The most dangerous man in Europe
The thumbnail lol
Funny thing , here in Lithuania historical guns (pre-1870) are not considered as firearms,no registration needed, but if I have one I'm not allowed to fire it.
We have the same sort of rules in England too mate, except here the year is not the key factor its the type of ammunition the gun or rifle uses. If it is no longer manufactured, nor has been for a long time, then the guns are classed as "Obsolete Caliber" in that you cant get ammunition. So a Martini Henry rifle is the last of the line of British army rifles you can own as an antique "curio". Everything before that is fine, every rifle from the Enfield SMLE 303 types onwards is not allowed.....you have to get them deactivated.
All muzzle loading black powder "cap and ball" or flintlocks are classed as "Obsolete".
We can still own and fire these old guns if we so wish, but that needs a special gun license which is a pain in the arse to get.
Oh well, we have to register and get license for modern replica muzzle loaders thogh, which is fairly easy, no club membership required and we can fire them at the range, for now at least.
sandmanhh67 As an American, I am wondering how many people own antique firearms in England and shoot them in a remote location so the authorities don't know that the person actually fires the gun? I would imagine that would happen in the US often if we had a similar law.
Id be surprised if you found even a handful, as you cant buy black powder without a license.....and Brits hearing gunshots in the wilds will always ring the Police. Remember mate, we are a nation that does not have widespread gun ownership.
You would have to be an idiot to risk the potential ramifications if the police caught you.
There are legal ways to own and shoot historical guns, and a healthy historical black powder shooting hobby scene centred on Bisley Shooting Ground in Surrey. Getting a license is a pain, and the storage requirements & transport rules equally so.....but its better than a few years in prison and massive fines.
So....you end up with historical collecters like me owning enough guns and blades to outfit a small army.....but none of them go bang ever.
sandmanhh67 You can make black powder yourself, and I believe pyrodex is less regulated. I am not sure if there are any areas in Britain so remote that nobody would know if you discharge a firearm. There is a far greater amount of land in the US, and I believe Americans have a far more rebellious attitude than British people. Breaking certain laws is socially acceptable in the US. After all, we are a county founded on rebellion.
This is the gun from the clue board game XD
Az a beszólás a végére... megérne egy feliratot a külföldi nézők kedvéért :D
:) ott van a felirat... kicsit puhítva :)
But he only shot it twice
Percival Fredrickstein von Musel Klossowski de Rolo III sends his regards...
The pistol from Cluedo/Clue!
these are so small for a 1850s six shooter
"Viszont hangos ez a kis fostarisznya".
I Like revolver
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Shouldn't that ball have been larger? It just fell into the barrel.
TheFew TheProud he shoved wadding in after it so that the wadding fills in the gaps as the ball shoots down the barrel this way the ball isnt bouncing down the barrel and being really inaccuracte
random keresgélés során épp egy magyar videó :) a komment a végén hatalmas :D
Two handed grip? Looks wrong.
JosephsMyth the Mormon profit had one of these at Carthage jail. Rumor says two shots misfired. He jumped from the 2nd story window and yada yada yah.
Hahahahha, very cool gun