What’s Wrong with the Mars Sample Return Mission?
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- čas přidán 15. 02. 2024
- Uncover the uncertain fate of NASA's ambitious Mars Sample Return mission scheduled for 2027. As spiraling costs and delays loom, will this groundbreaking exploration be scrapped? Watch to explore the complexities.
Please don’t give up on this channel like you threatened on the last Brain Blaze video. I enjoy this a lot. I strive to watch everything on every channel that you do except maybe some of the more terrifying Casual Criminalist videos. I wish the very best of health and happiness to you and your families!
The amount of edits in this video almost rivals the amount of channels Simon has
Almost lol
The editors get paid by the cut/effect... They're making their cash with this one... 🤣🤣 Seriously.. huge shoutout to Simon's writers and editors...
It’s a complex subject. And Simon had a tendency to ramble. Not that I mind, but usually science/tech videos don’t lend themselves to rambling.
All of his stuff is unnecessarily & annoyingly over slick.
Glad I'm not the only one. This was so distracting.
I am now finally convinced that this channel only exists to make Uranus jokes. I love it.
Like seventh planet jokes, huh? ..."You're a noose"... ha. ha. _so_ funny
It's PlanetBlaze...
@@e.n.l1976cocaine and basement mushroom fueled tangents about space. I see no problems with this. Maybe ETA will return!
He said it again.
" Probe Uranus"😅
That never gets old 😅
I know! We are all a group of 5 year olds giggling every time Simon says "Uranus!" Especially with "Probe into" before it! Never gets old!!!
He wants a probe.
This calls for a dedicated video. We need to know all about the Uranus probes!
Every human butthole joke made about the seventh planet of the solar system is offensive to my religious beliefs.
That was hilarious 😂
Really hope it's not cancelled. I have been waiting for years for the return mission. Keep my fingers crossed.
NASA has no budget. They used to be gov propaganda to show off how accurate our rockets are. Now theyre just material for kids popup books and youtube videos. We're supposed to have people on the moon this year. It got delayed lol. Trust me, they have no intention on going to Mars anytime soon.
We are at the mercy of someone like an Elon or a -Steve Jobs- with enough cash and child like curiosity to even attempt it. And for it to even become anything meaningful, they'd have to find some amazing world changing resource on Mars.
@@superkoopatrooper4879before government took over science post WW2 most of our major advances were driven by philanthropy.
Why is a country that is $40 TRILLION in debt and contains +75,000 structurally deficient bridges focused on space travel???
@@barackobama9343 Because the US can chew gum and walk at the same time.
On February 7, JPL laid off 540 regular employees and an additional 40 contractors--over 8% of their workforce, due to MSR budget uncertainties.
EDI: Really? Commander?
Sheppard: launches probe
EDI: Sighs* Probing Uranus...
Owww! That hurts! Maybe not use the drill?! 😄😁😆😅🤣😂😭
The problem with sending analysis equipment there is not just that we can’t send our best technology, but we have no idea what tech will be available in the coming years or decades. If we have the samples here we can keep studying them with whatever tech comes along. Who cares if it costs three times as much to bring it back? Worth it.
Exactly. We have a choice. Mission limited analysis, or bring it home and have potentially the entire scientific community able to develop and refine tests far into the future. WAY more potential science.
@@PerfectedEvil ye, when you look how tiny little grains of Dust you are able to analyse in a propper lab from one of the other Sample Return Missions it's amazing.
but it's also Amazing how small you can build these quite large equiment and how much energy they are able to run
you greatly underestimate the cost difference in cost. it is not a question of Faktor, but of orders of magnitude.
also why is a sample from Mars worth that much more, than countless from countless asteroids.
Another consideration is that making detection equipment capable of surviving the g-loading of a rocket launch severely restricts the design space. There is some equipment that's just impossible to assemble and calibrate on earth and have it stay accurate when it arrives on another planet.
Exactly.
When the small rover landed on Mars in 1997, NASA engineers claimed that a sample return was the next step and it seemed that 2005 was a long time to wait for a sample return.
Just found this channel. Glad to see another quality channel of Simon’s ever expanding CZcams empire. PS, I’d love to see a video on Leica, the first dog in space 🤞
American Space Prowess! That's what my husband and I play on Friday nights!
i just discovered this channel! another simon channel i need to binge watch lmao
As a fellow scientist. I'm always curious about space. But im hoping to see more missions to the depths of our planet the older I get. I won't live long enough to learn to secrets of our planteriry niebours.
or learn to spell.
@@rorykeegan1895 No need to be rude
You could've left out the "as a fellow scientist" and the comment would have been the same. You just had to be an attention who're.
I mean... yes.. we want nasa to do cool science. So i respect planetary scientists opinions on how valuable or not valuable it would be to return mars rocks. However....
Where nasa shines is not in just a vehicle for your cool rover. Where nasa has always been on its best is taking on new and difficult challenges. And pave the way for future missions. I don't think you could over value several of the firsts in these missions. But i do agree there should be a strong purpose behind it. Maybe there needs to be some simplification. Or whatever. But like being able to have the first launch from another planet. Thats huge. Learning to manage long running complex missions. Thats huge. I get we do some of this already with the space station. But this setup for this mission.. if we want space mining. If we want space infrastructure and other like things. Its going to require things like this. Regardless if this is the right use, we should be doing more things like this right now. Not in 20 years. We should have been doing things like this 30 years ago.
Agencies, corporations, and publicity craving billionaires are all caught up in a race to be seen as relevant. Whether a project is feasible is less important than whether it is good media.
I do not think, that Mars sample return mission or sending humans to Mars is a step on the letter of space exploration. It is a side quest at best and a massive distraction at worst.
They should build that quarantine facility now regardless of the mission being approved or not. One way or another samples from objects in space WILL someday fairly soon happen. Having that contamination level 4 structure completed will provide a prepared location to bring those samples.
Thanks for sharing.
Loving the new channel Simon and the team keep it up 😊
Editor took too much adderall with their bowl of Red Bull for breakfast on this one.
Think this channel was created just to make a Uranus joke in every video and I'm all for it.
I'm glad Simon is mature enough not to make such an adolescent joke.
It's because Uranus is so old.
I have to agree with other sentiments, please don't give up on this channel. I always cross my fingers that this channel has released something, almost more than any other of your channels aside from the Science of Science Fiction (whatever it's called these days lol) or maybe Casual Criminalist!
Upload more here and I'm sure the numbers will come!!
Here’s a crazy idea. How about joint project between agencies with shared costs?
Ok might take longer for planning but we need to start working collectively as a planet if we want to expand into space. Cooperation based on sharing resources, technology and results is better than posturing military or invading other countries.
Aspen , tell me : with all of those edits, did you find out Simon's Cocaïne stash ?
Woah easy. What do you think this is business blaze...
@@palvangaLooking at the edits all over the place, this ain't diet coke !!!
@@palvanganah... For that one, the type of substance is in the title itself... 😂😂😂
Saw the movie "Life" the other night. Pretty scary scenario for a Mars sample return mission.
Most if not all of major projects underestimate to get them off the ground.
Another day, another Simon channel discovered
"There's even a plan to probe Ur-ANUS"
Archer: "Phrasing!!!"
Any project that brings us closer to securing another planetary location where humans could one day call home, is a project worth pursuing. This becomes especially clear when comparing the budget of NASA to that of the military.
The Space Force is part of the problem why the military budget is overblown. There are quite a few reasons why the military budget is overblown. You forget that the US doesn't buy too much foreign equipment and it develops its own usually. Developing new equipment to replace the old one is expensive.
witch this does not. it is a side quest at best and a massive distraction at worst.
russian warmongering justifies the military budget. What does sending small pieces of metal to Mars do for us?
@@tripsaplenty1227 If you put it into that perspective a mars semple return mission sounds like a way better idea. enhancing our understanding about the world is the most useful thing you can invest money in on the long run.
@@MusikCassette
sometimes short term gain is more important than potential long term gain. First and foremost we must stop ivan.
I've been enjoying the content on this channel and subscribed recently, but I had to stop on this video by the 2 minute mark. There were so many transitions and effects, it' is just too much.
Every time i find a new chanel of Simon i wonder how flabergasted some people must be if his low subbed chanels are the first one they find and see how professional the presentation, eddit and everything else in these Videos are 😂😂
The greater the risk. The bigger the reward. But you can also fail. That is the game.
When is the money going annually into the pentagon is going to get tracked down? They have failed various audits and cant account for a ton of money
I would personally much rather see my money go to space exploration than the military. Compared to the military budget, NASA’s budget as a whole is minuscule.
@12:00 There is ALWAYS a plan to probe Uranus ;)
I literally scrolled down to search for this comment 🤣
They're spending so much on Mars that probing Uranus is just something they dream about.
What's sad is if the Mars samples come back entirely devoid of signs of life, all it would prove is that there is no life at that location and mean nothing in terms of everywhere else on Mars. Only a positive result would be really scientifically meaningful.
Beyond that, the public perception of the entire program's success is finding signs of life on Mars, which may not be there to find. Therefore support for NASA may be damaged because of their inability to do something that may be completely impossible, even given the mission's real technical success at pulling off sample returns.
I think the idea of leaving the samples strewn about, to be retrieved by another rover type machine is a weak idea. The samples should be kept on Perseverance so they can all be collected in one place.
Facts
Yeah, good luck finding them again after a dust storm!
Another comment said there's double samples. Drop 1 and keep the other on board for backups sake. Which seems very nasa and smart
I think the bioisolation lab should get uncoupled from the space mission and elevated to be a separate project, with the goal being to establish a general use BS4 level interplanetary quarantine lab to support any mission requiring sterile processing. We're going to need such a facility anyway, not just for MSR. We could build out multiple adjacent but individually isolated project bays, each serving the needs of a single 'client' project, including international missions. Useful for sample return missions either for analysis or simply a space in which payloads can be opened up, separated and repackaged for distribution to other labs; also serving as sterile environment for sterilizing, assembling, and sealing instruments and spacecraft/lander components. Establish a few sample container sizes and standardize mechanical design of their 'lids' to mate with pass-through ports into the lab. The semiconductor industry uses something similar to transport silicon wafers within their own little dedicated portable sealed environment as they move between manufacturing tools, which are all designed to accept, open, process, and reseal the box without ever exposing the contents to open air - even across tool manufaturers and between different company's factories. Wouldn't it be neat if we had a central cleanroom lab that you could just plug a standardized sample container into, work on it, put bits of it into more containers, ship it to some university hotbox somewhere, plug it into that same standard port and work on it there? Huh. Well this started as an argument for building a lab and somehow hopped the rails to argue for engineering a standardized sample container; I guess it must be my bedtime. 'night, internet
edit - I'm not actually familiar with the biosafety level requirements in detail; but, it occurs to me that having the ability to easily remove samples by design miiiight be automatically disqualifying for that top level maximum terrifying certification...
True. It will have future uses.
And some people still think humans will be colonizing Mars in the near future.
Can't wait for Simon to talk about space colonization ;p
What's the difference between sampling an astroid and sampling Mars? Is it just a matter of Mars having a stronger gravity?
sampling asteroids needs much less delta V.
also sampling asteroids actually propels us forward in becoming a spacefaring species.
Please make a video about Kamo'oalewa. Its kind of our second moon. But its still very unknown for most people
Why can’t we study meteors from Mars in the way described in this return mission? Build a case for the mission to mars now.
I think there is probably some mismanagement going on, but I think science fiction has given us unreasonable expectations for how quickly and easily this sort of thing can happen. This sort of thing is hard and massively complex, and nearly impossible to estimate costs because we have never done anything like this before.
and how I view it it’s better to have successful delayed mission then a cheaper failure.
I thought Japan ( or somebody) got a sample from an asteroid and returned to Earth with the sample.
Simon, have you considered doing probing analyses of LIGO, CERN, and OPERA?
One of your best videos in a long time!
I saw Andromeda Strain.
God, it's so cool I'm alive right now 🤘😤🤘 Getting science answers in my lifetime is sick as hell
I'd love for NASA or whomever explain to congress why the hunt for life is so important. I think building space infrastructure is more important to make it easier for all future missions.
The big thing, that would propel us forward would be, asteroid mining, to get water for earth orbit.
14:22 Yeah, Brain Boy, I think the availability of samples for multiple researchers is an overall good thing...Good enough to make it worth the cost.
I’d love to see a credible breakdown on the odds of finding definitive evidence of life on Mars. I bet they’re pretty bad. Nothing about Mars missions seems to be worth the expense. I definitely like telescopes a lot more.
What about learning new areological processes?
Folks like you are what I wrote my comment about.
No matter how good your telescope is, it will always pale in comparison to actually putting your hands on something and studying it.
@@captainspaulding5963like with your mom
If things keep going the way they are in this country, we won't even be able to fund a mission to Walmart.
Hi. Great video - Are you Agro Squirrel's brother?
6:24 Why does the background image reverse direction, Brain Boy? Did I miss something...again..?
😀
Matey looks like a Guess Who? (TM) card, Allegedly.
Whatever that means.
Just more fuel on the "the government doesn't want to find life on mars" conspiracy theory.
For those unaware: the viking labeled release tests as originally designed were pretty solid and infallible but nasa ordered that the isomers be mixed together causing the tests to be inconclusive no matter the result. Basically sabotaged it so that it couldn't possibly prove life and making the tests pointless.
It would be cheaper to add a module to the ISS to analyse the return samples, this would also add a safety step if there is something that doesn't agree with earth
Always thought the 2 step process was silly. Would have been best to do rover, collection , and return in one mission. Expensive, but far less than the cost of two separate missions many years apart.
Right, but the rover is already there, exploring and returning valuable data the whole time the idiots in Congress argue about the budget.
If we did find ancient life on Mars it would only raise more questions. And if we don't even more questions...
Irrelevant. It would answer more questions also.
Indeed it would.
every question answered raises new once. That is called progress.
The channel Astrum (with Alex McCulgum) just released a video about Luminous Fast Blue Optical Transients (LFBOTs). I hope you can cover that topic, too.
From ai.. is it possible?
Yes, it is theoretically possible to create a particle accelerator in space. The absence of atmospheric interference and the lower gravitational force in space could make certain aspects of building and operating a particle accelerator easier. However, there are still significant challenges involved, such as launching and assembling the necessary equipment in space, ensuring the safety of astronauts and the equipment, and developing the power supply required for such a large-scale scientific instrument.
Some researchers have proposed concepts for space-based particle accelerators, but as of now, no operational particle accelerator exists in space. It remains an area of theoretical and speculative research.
15:25 actually I think, that is a good argument to actively oppose the mission.
HOW MANY CHANNELS DOES HE HAVE?! I find a new one every week and he hasn't even mentioned them elsewhere!😂
I really want the msr mission to happen. However it would be so much more cost effective to just send people. We want to send people to Mars and any return missions could just be a part of that mission.
hehe... he said 'probe Uranus'
I said that,to your mom!
😂😂😂
@@jeffdroog watever... u probably have a sign on ur roof that says 'probing welcome here'
@markdavis3252 ...No lol I don't believe in aliens lol Unless you're talking about illegal aliens.I just believe in your mom's sweet,sweet,Uranus.
@@markdavis3252 You're an odd one lol
It’s ridiculous that we aren’t going to go pick up the samples! Maybe we can farm this out to an independent company to retrieve the samples.
Why wouldn't perseverance just keep samples on board and then deposit in one place instead of dropping them along the way.
Perseverance actually has both for reliability. 10 samples kept onboard, while 10 are deposited on the surface.
What happened to the Lunar Receiving Lab that was fully equipped for handling sensitive extraterrestrial material???
Or put one on the ISS
I hope NASA is able to get this mission to become a reality.
We've been to Mars and discovered that it's made of ... dirt.
Mission is more about the microscopic (possible) fossils in ths dirt
The scientist finally get the Mars samples and excitedly declare "Hey, it's dirt"!....
You gotta love the world priorities these days. Current US budget for military spending (includes help packages to Israel and Ukraine)
roams around 800-900 billion.
Someone went thru their entire After Effects transitions folder with this one.
PS: The woosh sounds got annoying pretty fast. Maybe just lowering the volume 50% would help?
What is strange is I discovered remnants of past life on Mars viewing a Perserverance rover scan of the surface and no one of importance in the project could care less.
I wonder if we could use MOXIE to generate pure O2 from the Martian atmosphere and use that as a propellant? (Nuclear rocket, so no combustion).
It wouldn't be anywhere near as efficient as H2, and likes to eat metal, but a rocket using a system like this could fuel up indefinitely for shuttling from Mars to orbit and back.
When on the ground the reactor could power MOXIE and the liquefaction of O2.
They say this is going to take until 2033 to finish. Honestly by then we could send a manned mission there and back.
Probe? Uranus? Gladly.
And how is the Chinese Mars lander doing up there? What website do I go to to see its successes?
11:59 Easy there, Brain Boy...I hardly know you!
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I don’t get why they are dropping the samples along the way. instead of having it on rover in an easy to access spot for return to grab.
Ugh, I work for the company that makes the material for NASA heatshields. I work on the project to make a new material for use in the Earth Entry Vehicle part of Mara Sample Return. Our project’s budget has been drastically cut and I will probably have to end up working on making material and products for use in hypersonic missiles. Those budgets are massive and always growing.
It’s funny how the billions NASA spends is always “too expensive”, but the trillions the military spends is never enough.
I think the USA is sending 8mill a week to Ukraine! Or something like that
@@bugsy742
To put that into perspective, that 8mill is pocket change compared to the total budget of the US military.
It's because the US has turned its military-industrial complex into a convoluted money laundering scheme. Many (not all) conflicts are ultimately started to justify increasing military spending and to put more money into consumables like ammunition and rations. Much of the money in the budget gets put into R&D projects, both on and off the record. Some of those R&D projects actually have a purpose, but others are ultimately impractical vanity projects like "let's make a guided missile that can be shot out of an artillery gun!" (no joke, that's currently the highest budgeted military research project that we know of). Thing is, regardless of the usefulness of the project, these contracts make money for the various contractors involved, and that in turn bumps up their share prices and dividends. And it just so happens that a LOT of politicians have huge investments in Boeing, Lockheed Martin, Raytheon, General Dynamics, etc. so a good chunk of the tax dollars that go into these projects ultimately end up in the pockets of the politicians.
And those politicians are going to fight tooth and nail for every last dollar they can get. They don't make nearly as much money from NASA projects unless it's a launch vehicle, because NASA does a lot more in-house development.
Exactly, like sure $10 Billion dollars is an insane amount of money but it's still just a drop in the bucket.
@VestedUTuber obviously this was the goal of Russia invading Ukraine and Hamas attacking Israel, to benefit the US military industrial complex...
It would make sense to wait for a maned mission to mars, then just bring the samples back with them
These people who have been talking about mars colonasation have underestimated mars
First
Also, love this new channel Simon!!
Wrong! HA!
@@jackbuff_I Whatever helps you sleep at night
13:06, the picture showing earth in the background to Mars is not correct....lol
so many hoaxes perpetrated by NASA to keep the money gravy train flowing.
Before Uranus and Neptune orbital probes, sample returning is dispensible.
the overpass is looking like an underpass
Ambitious endeavor.... So much to go wrong, and they aren't even ready to process any samples that return, if they actually return!
They should use what's there lab wise (surely the military has a biolab they could use or upgrade to trim the budget where possible?).
The military uses those labs already. They need a new one and a civilian one.
@@zaco-km3su Why would they have to be civilian? I'm gonna be assuming that they're going to have to be on secure premises with high security clearing anyway so what does it matter if it's civilian or military? That or the CDC or something, they have infrastructure already in place its not that when parts of the military utilises NASA's infrastructure for secret projects!
the hard thin, is to get the lab really really sterile. with an existing lab, that is used for other samples, you almost start at zero.
Lots of people constantly talk about space exploration is a waste of money. Yet everyday they are the people who use human space age technology like GPS, high speed mobile internet, etc
Allocate funding from the military and call it a day. That budget was supposed to go to the soldiers anyway, which it didn’t, so I want my taxes back. Give it to space exploration. Easy.
What's the rush to get to Mars or anywhere else in the Solar System? Maybe future generations will have to figure this out while we learn more about the planet under our feet.
And what don't we know about our own planet?
Àll samples collected should have been stored in the Rover. When all sampling was concluded then they deposit ALL the samples at ONE location. Making it easier to collect the samples when the time to collect. Cant understand why the did'nt do this?!
They are doing just what you suggest. The rover is carrying a full complement of samples collected so far. 10 or so duplicate samples were left in a small area near the delta front as a backup in case the rover has a failure and the carried samples could not be cached at the planned transfer site to the west of the crater
So does anyone know the chances of anything coming from Mars?
One problem the USA suffers from is the tendency for programs to focus on the 99.9% solution for each and every element, regardless of the cost, when the 90% solution would be sufficient.
i am certain Simon & Team started Astrographics channel just for the phrase ' probing Uranus ' in almost every video .. lol
It's NASA and ESA, they are both the poster children for government jobs programs for scientists. NASA's primary mission is to provide jobs to it's people and supporters, it's secondary mission is to provide political capital for it's backers in the form of international agreements. Doing science is a distant third priority. This is why everything goes massively overbudget. Initial budget estimates are based on focusing on that mission without bureaucratic manipulation and a good faith effort to get it done on time and on budget. Once approved, it always turns into a jobs program to advance as many careers as possible, which results in budgetary explosion.
This is from several decades working within government bureaucracies, they all do this.
It would be far less expensive to send the entire laboratory to mars.
The government asking nasa to get their budget under control is the definition of “the pot calling the kettle black “
Let’s get together and do a bike ramp. Will jump over and grab it. Last person that jumps has to grab the back of the ramp and bring it with them so we can get back 😂
Maybe NASA missed a trick by putting yet another rover on mars (ok, it did come with a cool copter) instead of a ‘simple’ touch, grab and go sample collector to bring Martian soil back to earth. It would give them the same kudos as the moon landings.
The only problem with digging for samples. The evidence for life might have been inches away from where they dug the sample.
That "then what?" would seem to be the most important question that should have been answered first.
There was Life on Mars.... "yes" (pop some corks) but then what?
Or
There is no sign where we looked.... 🤔 then what?