Generative A.I - We Aren’t Ready.
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- čas přidán 18. 05. 2024
- New generative A.I breakthroughs are happening almost every week, it seems. The big question is; Are we ready for it? Noted Science Zaddy Kyle Hill explains what’s coming, the “dark forest” theory of the internet, and the steps we humans can take to pass the “Reverse Turing Test.”
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00:00 Intro
01:49 The Expanding Forest
06:08 The Reverse Turing Test
10:28 Algorithmically Incoherent
14:05 A Warning.
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The "dead internet" wasn't a conspiracy theory, it was a prophecy.
Kojima predicted this in 2001
Hey! I want top comment. You're catching up. Knock it off.
How do we know you're not just an AI competing for top comment? How do you know that I'm not an AI? I will bibbly bopino the wambly trunator, that's how.
Well, I won't be a sore loser. It was fun while it lasted. Good game!
I hear you man baby. Derp
There's a poetic justice to the idea that the reason the universe is silent is because the aliens are all afraid that if they speak up a galactic digital overmind is going to start spamming them with messages about how you can get a bigger glubark with this one weird trick.
Ooh, I just got an interesting story idea! There's a rogue super AI whose sole purpose is to learn and communicate with another species. However, it's hyper efficient to the point that it floods all communication systems in an attempt to mimic and verify the model's accuracy (not considering time perception differences). This renders a civilization's technology useless because no piece of tech can actually understand what's being said. Ignoring stuff like faraday cages (or not?), it would be interesting to see how a society develops workarounds.
Or maybe some stupid alien species did something very similar AND programmed the AI to replicate itself onto that civ's systems. Its sole goal is then to farm the species' creativity while limiting technological growth.
@@yerpderp6800 who's to say it hasn't already happened? Would we know? Do ants know they're in an ant farm?
@yerpderp6800 this was generated on chatgbt huh?
Nice DBZA reference...
Click here to chat with hot singles in your galaxy!
Fortunately, human beings have a great track record of thinking carefully about our next steps.
🥲
Yah straight into a hole, this time an abyss.
biggest cap ever
Sarcasm right?….. right?
lololololololololo
"Modern memes are dumb and unfunny"
*Watches this video*
"Skibidi gyatt bless humanity..."
HAHA 😂
my great great grand-papi: yabadaba dooo! 😁
13:58 in skibidi gyatt we trust🤝🤝
bro has got rizzzzzzzz
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"Shitposting its way to the apocalypse" is a great way to describe it and should be adapted as a shirt.
Meme that. Proved my humanity 😅
@@kellymoore5517I think memes prove the opposite though. They’re anti-intelligence. Like ppl creating infinite car bumper stickers with a catchy phrase.
@@shitmandood No, good memes are distilled intelligence.
@@shitmandoodNot necessarily anti-intelligence in the slightest, just shorthands and simplifications of concepts. I mean, we have this pretty sick meme called "science" going on...
@@shitmandood more like one bumper sticker and they all say "me chad, you soyjak"
I cannot overstate how painfully I miss the old internet...
If I would have known it would become this current dystopian hellhole, I would have never taken the old internet for granted and enjoyed every second of it.
@@dividedstatesofamerica2520Same. But I do cherish those good memories. It's really bittersweet, but it makes me feel good when I think of the mid 2000's
@@crepooscul Can't say I have much memories.
Ah the days of yahoo chat, AOL instant messenger. Making friends with strangers half a world away.
Even though it essentially started it all, even My space was good compared to nowadays 😢
10:17 Daniel Suarez wrote in his novel "Control" a kind of negative touring test. Two scientist communicate via a computer.
The one asks "Please describe me the initimate smell of your wife"
The other one replied "What the F*CK is wrong with you???"
The first one: "You just proven that you are not a computer. A computer would have exactly answered my question"
That was so good I remembered it
So, emotion is the true reverse Turing test?
That is food for thought.
@@Fullmetal85Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep in a nutshell
I'm beginning to understand why when my grandparents were dying, they didn't really seem to mind. The world they grew up in and loved was already gone.
Bingo. Late 21st century humans will read about the last, 20th, century like we did the Middle Ages.
Absolutely spot on. 🙋🏻♀️🇨🇦👍🥲At 62, I am at glancing in the distance at that exit sign thinking just that. Where did my world go? What world am I in even? Sometimes feeling invisible even feels comforting.🤷🏻♀️🐱
I am 59 years old and already feel like I no longer recognize the world.
@geoffreylaxton671 Sorry to say, that I completely understand. Somewhere around 2012, it seems like I entered into some horrible, alternate universe, and I can't go back home.
@@AlienPizzaRipley What do you miss from your time? (serious question)
What scares me more than AI spamming everything is how many people apparantly take information at face value. Its always been necessary to vet whether or not something is true.
This. Yes.
Honestly, a large portion of the human population has ALWAYS lacked critical thinking, this is not new, it is simply much more easily noticeable since everyone has a smartphone in their pocket. So anyone can Google something and just spout the first thing they see that aligns with their cognitive bias, word for word.
Back before the internet, people were still doing this same thing, but were instead racing each other to libraries or centers of information to look up something that aligns with their cognitive bias.
What many people lack is critical thinking and this can most assuredly be attributed to education. By creating a universal education system online that prioritizes and teaches critical thinking skills, more people can learn to have a healthy amount of skepticism.
Modern propaganda is just repeating the same thing. That's why all the tech companies being buddies with govt is sketchy
we've been lied to all of our lives, since the beginning of organised society
So, even if it wasn't true, at least it was human. At least you were being lied to by a person
I think the fact that you might be talking to a machine is what ruins people's trust
@@goddepersonno3782there’s a difference between someone lying to your face and thousands of bots spreading false information to millions
The irony with Captchas is that they’re literally used to train AI models.
And humana Invented that crap not ai.
Irony is that people that ever solved any captcha can nie loose Jobs due to that. Butterfly effect in action.
Captchas only look at key strokes anyways not even the images so it doesn’t matter
@@filmpeople1051they also look at key presses, mouse movements, etc. but the image is part of it
I hope the lawsuits comes as fast so these AI models get stopped as soon as possible
What’s alarming to me as well is the people who should be writing legislation to regulate this (or attempt to, anyways) have no idea how the internet actually works, what AI is, or what AI is capable of.
I am not kidding. this video is literally explaining my crisis rn. I've had depression for a longer time now, and therefore I haven't been wanting to socialize as much in real life, so I've been in the internet a lot. I've literally thought I'm going crazy by thinking stuff can't be real. This video explains a lot.
If you have the room try some gardening. It's what helped me the most after getting out of the Marine corps. My disassociation and sadness washed away with the morning watering and lessons I learned trusting s sead to turn into something I could eat.
Please give it a try if you can. Even a pot on the window sill with some basil. It gives you an anchor on what's real.
@@VanCliefMedia beautiful comment brother, thank you for your service
@@VanCliefMediaany sort of activity that's off line is good. Using the internet is fine, living on it day and night and never doing anything else productive or personally fulfilling is definitely not good, nor is it healthy.
@VanCliefMedia if you do not have space for a garden do acuascaping!
”And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.“
Revelation 13:15 KJV
Jesus told us this would happen. He set me free, and he can set you free.
Kyle recommending we use memes to combat AI overlords is somehow making MGS2 even more prevalent over 20 years later.
don't let your memes be dreams
Memes Jack, The DNA of the Soul
You right 😂 now we need a metal gear to start running around, then we have the beginnings of a reboot but in irl
I love Kyle. But he is Elon Deranged. Elon has been warning us of AI. But Elon man bad.
@@BeansMcGriddle Movies like Terminator were warning us about AI 40+ years ago. Doesn't take a fucking genius to see how bad this can go 😂
"I think therefore I am" no longer cuts it. "I shitpost, therefore I am" is the new standard.
Bruh momento
Edit: shit... I just realized that future AIs will use this comment as training, so we can't use this expression anymore 😢
(You)re mad, therefore I am.
Just talking about it means it will definitely be used against us.
The T-800 hangs up the phone. "Your foster parents are dead."
@@chance9512i won a civ game, therefore, i am
@@titiwa632As funny as this joke is, the purpose of René Descartes’s “I think, therefore I am,” is for someone to prove their own existence for themselves because the fact that they are thinking at all means they must exist.
It is part of a philosophical argument to determine if everything we believe exists actually exists, or is just some illusion, but “I think, therefore I am” doesn’t prove someone’s own existence to anyone other than themselves, so it can’t really be used as a pass to prove someone is human, AI, or even exists at all to another individual.
This message is AI generated. 🙂
Unplugging, minimizing, and being selective about your presence on the internet has never been more important. There is a reason I don’t do social media, put my kids on it, and rarely do online shopping.
"Early in the [internet] -thousands of years ago-it became almost useless because it was cluttered with faulty, obsolete, or downright misleading information," -Neil Stephenson, Anathem
Neil Stephenson has been right about so many things it's downright scary
“Once, men gave their thinking over to machines in the hopes that it would set them free. But it only allowed other men with machines to enslave them.”
That's strong stuff
FUCK THAT'S GOOD
@@powerdude_dk attribution: Frank Herbert - Dune
I hate it when people don't attribute their copy pasta.
Frank Herbert's dune for those wondering
I must be getting old because "back in my day" we never took anything on the internet seriously. Rule 1 was "dont believe everything you see on the internet" and rule 2 was "never tell someone your name or address on the internet". I dont know why these rules were ever forgotten in the first place.
They weren't forgotten...
They're being ignored 🫠👀
Rule 1 used to be there are no girls on the internet
Funny. "...must be getting old..." In my experience it was my parents generation who tended to believe and forward any scary email they read. I stopped counting how many of my replies to their emails contained links to a Snopes debunking article
@@bornachexcept your parents aren't who he's referring to. Before the iPhone, before minecraft, before even internet gaming, there was a generation of users small enough to have a meaningful society.
They weren't. People were gullible back then and so far as I can just as many people remain just as gullible who fall for that shit vs people who don't fall for it. And no one gives out their name or address more than previously either not to the point its noticeable. People were gullible and people will remain gullible.
Its definitely you getting old and looking at the internet with rose tinted glasses nothing has really changed on those two fronts at all.
But also its weird to say no one took anything on the internet seriously but also took it dead serious enough to never share personal information. Sounds like taking it seriously to me lol
I've noticed that when I research something, there are hardly any results anymore. The results just stop. Very alarming indeed
I remember an anecdote I was told during an information systems class “that if you are lost in a dark forest, the only way out may be through burning your way to safety.”
There is something we did on our discord server. During onboarding we have mandatory multiple choice option before anybody can use the server. The first option says "im a bot, please kick me as soon as I join (dont choose this role if you actually want to join the server)" and it actually weeds out a lot of bots joining.
100,000 IQ
whats your discord server
Brilliant infinite IQ play
Got the GOAT out here lookin for Synths lol
maybe i’ll combine this with my pun test. also, do bots try to join discord servers? what do they do?
"And every article reads worse than a high schooler's first essay."
Finally, somebody said it
To be fair... its because people ARE getting dumber. We've been increasing the mount of "outsourcing thinking itself" as tech has advanced... all of this BEFORE LLMs popped off.
If only it wasn't by design so that humanity can be dumbed down to a level that makes them easy to enslave and control.... Oh well.
You forgot a period.
Even when written by humans.
@@marcosd4381it means that they’re a human, ya bot
For me the worse "articles" can't even call them there is just ones that report what someone said but gives no context of what, when or if what is being said is true or not, I wish news articles should at least give more context than just parrot what is being said to them without a thought, worse when they are quoting someone clearly lying even with video evidence in the same article showing what they are saying is completely false.
In my country a book is being banned from middle schools because it has a sex scene, which I think is weird because many middle school books here have explicit sex scenes and one I read as a teen also had an explicit rape scene, and these books never received any "Think of the children!!" arguments to be removed before, to make things worse the politicians that are banning said they never read the book they just were informated that the book had pornographic content and wanted to ban it, and what the news articles are doing? Just quoting these politicians that never read and now many people believe is full porno and I always when people start talking about it I ask what passage they think was too strong for middle schoolers and they never know, they just say that most be true that it should be banned because many people are saying its bad...
And this treatment go to anything is even for health, like many news sites spread fake news because they just quote a person and blast it in their front pages, like had people stopping their cancer treatment because they decided to quote a priest saying that the best remedy for cancer was tea.
There have been numerous academic papers recently that have shown that bots are more effective at solving CAPTCHAs than humans are. At least for many of the common types of CAPTCHAs that are currently in use.
Plot twist: you've been training an AI every you time you fill out a captcha
youre right and actually the captchas doesnt detect a well made performance in being completed but the opposite of that to recognize the human common behavior that is more erratical
Don't talk about how captchas are passed on a video about ai taking over and creating a dead internet. Bots will have new features in no time
Currently it's more like you must prove you're a human by failing three captchas in a row.
I'm human.
14:55 dude..... I have a 6-year-old daughter and that statement that you just said just really hit me hard. Thank you for that. My goodness.
Pretty sure the tiny 'thousand yard stare' after he said it, was genuine.
"shitposting its way through the Apocalypse" is too fucking relatable.
Sh*tposting is life.
It's about the only entertainment we have left now our governments have basically turned us into the culture of demolition man lol
Meme Wars II
The only aforism id actually consider as a tattoo
Bro I literally make a living out of shitposting lmao
Covid was a trial run of this
As a security researcher, Dark Forest of the Internet is the best way I've heard so far to describe the kinds of ubiquitous threats the average user faces online. I'm definitely going to borrow this for educational purposes and credit this video!
Right? The 'Dark Forest' analogy really hits the nail on the head, doesn't it? It perfectly captures that vibe of the unknown lurking around every corner on the internet. Using it for educational purposes sounds like a solid plan. It's a stark, visual way to highlight the importance of cybersecurity to people who might not realize the extent of the threats out there. Maybe it could help demystify some of the more complex aspects of what we're up against online. I'm curious, though, how do you plan on incorporating it? There's so much potential to expand on that analogy, especially with how rapidly the threat landscape evolves.
-This reply written by ChatGPT4
Or you could credit the creator of the Dark Forest theory.
@@elliotgillumPerhaps, but Kyle’s video is far more accessible and comprehensive, and Kyle also clearly states the theory is by Yancey Strickler. He’s fine. Also did you know Strickler is the CEO of Kickstarter?! I didn’t!
That's what an AI would say...... I'm onto you... 🧐
The three body problem's 2nd book. Look it up, everyone here would probably love it.
For decades I’ve used the internet to fill the social gaps I’ve experienced in life. I even met my wife online.
But this video brings to the forefront of my mind something I’ve been feeling for a while but haven’t been able to place. The lack of humanity present on the modern internet.
It’s a strange thought, that I may be of the only generation that actually found humanity online. Will my children understand that some of my strongest moments of bonding with others occurred in a forum?
We’re entering the internet 2.0, and I’m not sure I’m ready for it.
This would be 3.0. 2 was social media
Me too! 😢
Bro think he shakespeare
@@shorx9199 only if your dumb
I feel this the internet and gaming is the only thing that keeps me alive and safe from depression if i lose it then i want to die
I wonder if the internet will be so terrible in 5/10 years that people will be scared to go there?
(Wouldn’t be the worst thing…)
As someone who barely uses the Internet due to self improvement and mental health reasons, I'd fucking love this
Our parents' warnings of "don't believe everything you see on the internet" have an eerie prescience in the age of algorithmically-generated content...
It's soon going to change to "Don't believe ANYTHING you see on the internet" but we all know there'll be people who will continue to believe just about anything they read.
Ironically it's often parents i.e. older people who're much more vulnerable to online disinformation. Cos they're not in the habit of being skeptical or checking stuff up. Their security came from trusting people they know. So all it takes is the message to come from a trusted source who's been hacked and they'll accept it without question. A lot of sketchy alternative medicine ends up marketed this way for instance. Despite it being called a 'curated community' here, Whatsapp is full of viral chain mail crap.
In my experience I have to warn my parents more than they ever warned me.
@@lorpen4535 This is basically what I said here, but YT in its algorithmic wisdom seems to have deleted my comment. But it's still sending me notifications of other comments. Trillion dollar company btw.
Now I’m telling my parents this
13:58 “Maybe Rizz and Gyatt will end up saving something uniquely human online” is not something I expected to ever hear in my lifetime but here we are
The future is thicc (verified)
This statement alone was one of the bleakest lines in the whole video to me.
What the heck is Rizz and Gyatt?
He needed some phrase like to prove he wasn’t a bot lol
@artugert you know 😏
It would be nice if copyright laws were to put an end this AI madness. And many open source licenses may need to adapt to include "No AI training" clauses.
You can use "Glaze" or "nightshade" to guard your pictures from being used by A.I.
I predict AI being one of the biggest blunders in human history. A few people made something that can functionally undo everything in a world reliant on computers, and there was no need to make the thing to begin with.
As someone who has been using the internet since the early 90's and has made an entire career developing websites, I'm ready for the internet to just go away.
I have constant Carrington Event fantasies
I'm ready for the internet to only be allowed to be used as an archive for libraries. I mean, the revolutionary thing about the internet was the easy access to information, so let's make it just for that. Only libraries can put information in, and we can only use it to search and access the information provided.
@@NankitaBR Putting information in... where?
If your client computer can't upload data, you can't physically request the data you want to download and the internet becomes entirely useless.
Most internet resources already are the way you suppose - curated content that can only be consumed, not added to except by whoever holds the keys. So what you're suggesting is basically turning off comments on sites that allow user input and engagement.
At the least there's a deep irony in posting a comment to a youtube video suggesting this!
Or at least go back to the way it was back around the mid 2000's that's when it was great
Same. I basically grew up connected to the wall and at this point if I could I'd move out to the woods and join a commune.
"You were so busy trying to find out if you could, you never stopped to think if you should." -favorite Jurrassic Park move quote.
"Thou Shalt Not Create A Machine In The Likeness Of A Human Mind"
Nah. If generative ai wasn't profitable they wouldn't even look at it's direction
@@venomshot2815 "We're going to make a fortune with this place"
Iian malcolm would have mich to say on this topic and how we deserve whats coming
I’m on Elon musks side with this. Someone was going to create this no matter what. If it’s not good actors with good intentions then it’ll be the bad actors who develop it. It’s important to explore these things regardless of the danger because of good people find solutions to keep it from being a danger that’s a whole lot safer than bad people having access to the technology and doing anything they want with it.
The whole thing that to feel a human connection we have to actually go out again reminds me of Dune. Where the invention of shields made it so that projectile and beam weapons were made redundant, so we had to go back to sword fighting and hand to hand combat, the jihad against and subsequent banning of thinking machines meant specially trained humans had to carry out large calculations and piloting FTL spaceships.
Stuff comes back full circle, its like poetry it rhymes
If the future doesn’t scare you at this point, you’re naively optimistic
Or ur rich enough to get saps to buy ur neurolink platinum package, whose backdoor access u bestow to ur son, tau techno mechanicus
I dont think this has ever not been true tbh
@@LordTalron life in America was pretty much exactly the same from 1690 to 1724. Look at how much life has changed in America from 1990 to 2024
Or you are not just a depressed person who has completely given up
@@Honking_Goose to be afraid is doesn’t mean you’ve given up.
Humanity is defined by starting to massively use something new that it does not still fully understand and dealing with the concequences later.
Lead, phosporus, radiation, asbestos.. those are just the ones i can come right now from the top of my head
The technological revolution and its consequences
mercury, antibiotics...
Add fossil fuels to that list. And even though we know for a fact that the continued use of fossil fuels is going to end us, we continue with business as usual, because switching to a more sustainable way of living isn't profitable right now.
trust science until you don't
What happens before one gains indecipherable for ours consciousness......
Minor correction: Text based captcha are already mostly not used because they are no longer reliable. This happened a few years back and is the reason most captcha switched to just a check box or newer ones which are entirely behind the scenes.
Yeah, they basically look at how you move your mouse pointer to click the button. Apparently it's hard for a computer to copy that still.
@@BlazinLow305 Its more about just mouse movement. Its previous browser activity, cookies data, and all sorts of other information. This is why if you're in incognito or something, where cookies arent stored, you're far more likely to have to actually do more captchas after clicking on the checkbox.
Its not so much that AI "cant" copy these things, its more so that these sorts of things take a lot more time and effort to copy well, making it more expensive to bypass. Plenty of bots are capable of bypassing these captchas, but the goal is to make it as time consuming and expensive as possible to make it not as worth it for bot farms. Most bots used in bot farms are extremely simple to save costs. Scams are trying to make a profit afterall, so higher operating costs makes them less profitable.
came here to say the same thing. blurred word captchas haven't been used in YEARS. that was kinda weird to see him so out-of-date with that bit of info.
@@eragon78 yeah all captchas can be bypassed without exception. The only question is if it's worth crawling a site with a nasty protection or not.
There was a point where the way to detect a bot is that it passed the captcha too quickly
I can assure you that everyone should learn how to work with PGP signatures. It’s a key that identifies you as you and no one controls it. It’s unfortunately been relegated to obscurity however as the only people that use it are those that draw heavily from the cipherpunk movement of the late 90s.
I love this one. Plus, the emphasis on getting outside, it seems you filmed this in the evening next to a fire. :D
A buddy and I were talking. He likened it to how phone calls are a dark forest already. It’s potentially hostile to answer a call from a number you don’t know. less scammers find out you're a real human. You only call text/people in your phone book. I think the surface internet is rapidly approaching a similar dynamic. This has precedence.
Hm, haven’t thought about this aspect.
Very insightful and completely true, damn.
I never thought about it that way but that's actually true :0
I used to make a point of answering all calls because I'd rather get some spam calls than miss a single real call. But the few turned to many, the many to excessive amounts, the excessive amounts to unmanageable amounts of, and at this point not only do I trust Android's spam number detector, I don't even pick up calls from private numbers because in the last year, no exaggeration 100% of those has been spam calls. It's impossible and I've stopped trying.
I mostly don’t answer my phone if I don’t recognise the number or have it saved. It’s frustrating to near constantly get robo calls or calls from someone who’s clearly trying to scam you. Especially as a night shift worker, they wake me up with their nonsense 😒
It's not all bloody doom and gloom. Don't get paranoid or anything that'd just DUMN
And that's why I never post photos of my kids. Family are like "why you hiding them from us ?"
Now I can show them why, with this video.
Thanks, Kyle.
There is a Dutch add that warns against posting your kids on social media and the dangers of AI with it.
You should be able to find it on yt, show them that short add and then they will never ask you again
Even 20 years ago that was the right approach. Good thing you've been going that way. I worked at a free-hosting company around 2000-2001, and we regularly provided evidence of CSE rings that got them busted, but there were also things like a family innocently posting beach day with their kids, and some creeps found it, and suddenly their kids' photos specifically got 20,000 hits overnight.
It's gotta be horrific for them realizing their kids' pics are being shared by pedos for arousal purposes.
Or because you hit them? lol
I will never post my kids online if I ever have them.
And from now on I will always put on my pictures a text bar "I do not consent to this image being used to train any AI model." If enough people start doing this, it will force the creators of AI models to stop scraping images from the internet, and force them to ask permission to use an image on their training data. Because it doesn't matter if a website says yes if its users (aka the people creating the content) are never even asked.
“Why are you hiding them from us.”
Come visit tf? You’re always welcome.. ?! Besides there are always private family photos albums that you can post to…
I can’t imagine being entitled to someone else’s only appearance.
When I first had access to the social media as a teenager (Like Facebook & Tumblr) I thought it was the coolest thing every but after a week I felt like these media were wrong some how and disconnected myself from them and ended in small gated communities like discord and just mind my own business, these days I'm slow opening my "vault door" to these massive wild lands seeing who and what I find and what I find is pretty wild
Using slurs will be the only way to tell a bot from human
Already is
More like AYYY shawwttyyy,, u gudd brahhh?? Whatssguudd bud kinda text imo. Its scary how it can be the future lol
The internet used to be the one place you could go when you were lonely - regardless of how awful you felt - and at least be connected to other humans in some form. Feeling that disappear is scary.
Hey, at least we have that to connect us.
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Maybe it's my age, but I think the restoration of a balance between 21st and 20th century interpersonal dynamics would be really nice. I don't think we'll totally lose the internet but I would LOVE to see the destruction of current social media culture, which I never fully embraced. All the oversharing, privacy violations, toxic trends, and shit like that, imagine the distrust being enough that one day, people just turn off TikTok. (An app I refused to get, BTW.) Some internet will still be good and useful but being pushed back outside would be a massive boon to our mental health on a societal basis.
Maybe this will cause people to get out in real life and make real friends, might be a net positive.
Ironically enough, an AI therapist is or could probably be just as good if not better at making you feel less lonely. Some people already find AI therapists to be helpful.
Back in the early teens I got a phone call from some jerk. First, the call was very statically, but, and more importantly, this jerk claimed he was my grandson. I told him he was not. He insisted. I again told him he was not my grandson. "Yes I am!" he said, claiming to be in jail in California. I told him he wasn't meowing so I know he wasn't my grandson. Because I never had children, I had, and have, cats. This was not unlike the time I got a call claiming he was from the IRS, that I owed money and if I didn't him RIGHT NOW the police were going to be at my door. Well, first I had to pull over because I was in my car, and second, I knew I didn't owe any money to the IRS. First I challenged him as to what my address was. Needless to say, he could not tell me. But he kept pushing, so I told him he'd have to talk to my accountant, who also happened to be my brother. And I hung up because I wanted to go home more than I wanted to give him a hard time. I'm 70 and I just don't understand how and why people fall for this crap.
I think they’re trying to target people in the early stages of dementia :(
The con strategy is unconvincing by design-scammers want to weed out those who can catch the scam early on. Those who fall for the first scam are then targeted for more scamming.
So if you haven’t fallen for their scams, then you’ve been weeded out of their potential victim pool for now.
Lack of critical thinking skills, I guess
That's the whole point. They purposefully make their scams stupid so that only the truly uninformed, oblivious people will fall for it. Because these are the people least likely to fight them or be able to track them down and get their money back.
This reads like an internet etiquette comment
I got the "We'll have to send the police to your address unless..." call, and I said, "Go ahead."
More shouting, cursing, the Indian accent of "Agent Johnson" got thicker and thicker...
Plot twist:
This video was written, created, and produced entirely by A.I.
Kyle I just want to give you a huge compliment and virual hand shake as I absolutely love your content. Utterly engaging, fascinating and educational. This alone has opened my eyes and honestly I found it difficult to comprehend some aspects of what AI is becoming, but thank goodness you explained it the way you did! Many thanks to you from Melbourne Australia :) - and yes I am a real human btw !
"When's the last time you believed any headline, any social media post not wanting to check if it's truth / has the right context"
Probably some time before I actually got a little media literacy, clickbait in media existed long before even youtube and it made blind trust in headlines a bad idea way before AI was a thing.
This completely. Propaganda and agendas are not something that was magically conjured into existence because of the internet or wasn't widespread because of it. It just made it easier to spread new versions of it.
Yes. AI lets us mass-manufacture BS, instead of relying on the handcrafted, artisinal BS that we previously enjoyed. The BS itself is nothing new; just the overwhelming quantity of cheaply made knockoff BS is.
Was gonna say, the 2016 election, and coverage of an unrelated individual, is what really woke me up to the blatant lying and deliberate misconstruing of context the legacy media is guilty of. Does not matter the ideology driving the specific organization, they're all guilty of it. At the very least, that has prepared me for what LLMs will do.
@@maxsalmon4980 All the corporate news just copy each other as is. Quantity doesn't matter when traffic is dictated by what big tech wants to spam you with.
The point still stands though. AI allows such a large amount of false information to be created so quickly and spread instantly. It's going to get to a point where you can't even check the truth or context of the original post, because every new thing you read while trying to search for the base facts will also be shrouded in fake posts and articles. And those fake articles will be so similar to real articles that it will be next to impossible to know which is which, unless you watched whatever event you're researching firsthand and don't need to look anything up in the first place. It's more than just being smart enough to not trust everything you hear, it's going to become almost impossible to even research things online at all. Our legislature, ways of detecting AI, understanding of AI, plans for how to handle AI, etc. are all lagging behind the actual proliferation and creation of new AI technologies and are only going to fall further and further behind if we don't stop to address it right now. As a Software Engineer who has taken multiple classes on AI and AI ethics, AI is a terrifying thing in its current state, and not enough people are planning for how to handle its progression.
"No LLM will be able to keep up the pace with weird internet lingo and memes". This is a funny statement, I wonder how much time will it take to age like milk.
I guess depending on whatever exactly Q* is (the new super AI that OpenAI is developing) it may be already outdated.
A certain and easy answer is when AGI is born. If one ask for my non-trivial prediction, then I'll say that it'll be so when photonic computing are used extensively.
Yup. The Equivalent of saying no Locomotive can Outspeed😊 a Racing Horse.
We already have RAG models, they may not be perfect now. But it has the potential to prove that statement wrong.
NVIDIA has already implemented into their own chat interface. Huggingfaces' chat page also has RAG capabilities.
An LLM with a long context window like Claude 3 could probably already keep up with Internet culture if it is given Internet access and runs in a loop.
We never would've guessed we got so deep into the internet that we're starting to get pushed out because of it
Yeah this is why I've stepped off of social media. And most digital media, honestly. The internet got weird.
I appreciate how you use the same straightforward tone and quiet music that you use (presumably out of respect) when discussing people dying of nuclear accidents. At the same time, it's quite chilling.
Eh another doomsday prophet. Only talking about the downside. Or ye, he added 15 seconds of "It can also be good". Do 15 minute video of the literal utopia that is coming and I will take you seriously. If not, you are just a doomsday prophet.
oldest trick in the book playing minor keys over a sob stories.
As Metal Gear Rising Revengeance once said:
MEMES, THE DNA OF THE SOUL
I swear, that game was borderline prophetic.
@@DoctorLoudonclearfr
@@DoctorLoudonclear this applies to almost all the Metal Gear games.
I wonder if AI will cause our language to evolve into something similar to that world from TNG: Darmok. Everything we say communicated in referencial memes.
Well, that is pretty much literally what Dawkins wrote when he coined the term meme in The Selfish Gene
The fact that most of human culture says the more advanced a species gets the more they'd prey upon lesser species shows a huge reason why we can't communicate with said advanced species.
Why wouldn't they become more peaceful? If you far surpass a species in technology, chances are you can do almost anything to or around them and they would be none the wiser.
Kinda hit home with how i won't respond to random messages unless i actually know who is messaging me. One thing I've noticed about AI is that it isn't very good at saying it doesn't know an answer to something. It always tries to answer.
I have never been so attracted to the idea of moving to a cabin in the woods with no internet
Ok then Mr Kaczynski...
@@Dalroc history will completely vindicate him
@@Dalroc I don't plan on mailing bombs from there. He was clearly unwell from a young age and I.. okay not well but in a totally different way 😜
@@Dragonflyer74 he had valid concerns but the way he acted on them was fuct. Even if you thought killing random and basically blameless civilians to make a point was cool, it was obviously ineffective, which makes it stupid.
Why cabin in the woods? Plug the internet cable out and turn off mobile data. Done, no more internet for you.
I imagine those squid robot things from the matrix swarming around desperately looking for someone to show ads to.
Terrible thought. Gave me a laugh.
@@danyael777terrible laugh. Gave me a thought
@@curtisholsinger6023terrible gave. laugh me a thought
They will generate engagement, by any means necessary.
agent smith tracking down adblock users
We have already lost the 1st battle with A.I. (the one driving social media suggestions of content, with the singular directive called "more engagement") at humanities detriment.
Unfortunately we are well on the way to loosing the 2nd battle which is the realm of generative A.I.
The 3rd battle will be A.I. of action, robotics, and we'll loose that too.
The developments that are underway... What will be left on the plate for our children and our children's children, that's if they even care for love, even having that need sated by a bloody machine.
The only winners at the end of this line will be the elite of society, and the others will enjoy an everlasting, case of (your no long required) not even your thoughts or ideas will be relevant.
We need to stop this, before there is real degradation in society, intelligence is humanities only currency, and it can't be shared, it is our only unique weapon. We should not be aiming to create our intellectual equals, in any way shape or form.
We're one step away from the internet becoming a literal Infinite Tsukuyomi.
NGL, had to look that up, and was a little 'put off' by it being Naruto-related. Then, I read the description... 100% spot on.
It certainly feels strange to live right now. We have just witnessed the explosion of something as impactful as the atomic bomb in just a few months, and we still don't know how to react
Yep. We let an airplane take off without having a place for it to land.
Clever.
I used the same analogy when I wrote a paper about this 10 years ago in college. Not to sound self-important, but these past ~13 years for me have been like being tied to train tracks and watching the engine thunder towards us. There's nothing I could ever do about it, but I had to watch it coming.
This is the first blare of that awful horn, and any who weren't looking before, surely know it's coming now.
@@dan_kay It's more like, we are all on an airplane that turned out to be a rocket ship and we are moving into the blackness of space.
@@dan_kay"we let"?
Who exactly asked for this AI stuff?
@@Blackfox_o7 it's more like we are living a bunch of dystopian sci-fi movies all at once. Does art imitate life or does life imitate art?
I never would have thought ive been training my whole life to combat AI by being constantly up to date on memes.
Yeah me too 😂👍
Said an A.I to prevent you from achieving to prove your difference from it. ^^^^
Keep training bro! :D
all i know is that chat gpt will never tell me " i need to have a deep sniff of that bussy" and i cant tell if this is a good thing or a bad thing.
bot, pls
memes also taught me how to talk about capitalism, transphobia, mental health (namely, mine), and the ongoing epistemicide of indigenous people. (fresh memes also make an excellent nazicide!)
though the whole idea of there being effective methods of "combatting AI" (the possibility of boticide) is widely regarded as a pseudoscience among the bot scholar community, and generally sneered at in botiversity campuses.
Reverse turing test sounds like the Voight kampff test from Blade Runner
Told a generative ai my life story and asked it to determine my purpose in life. It told me I am to suffer as an example to others of what suffering actually is. It called me Agony and asked me to leave.
😮
Bro talked to GLaDOS
Shit must be bad for you when a literal proto-cyberdemon doesn't even want your despair.
That AI deadass became Low Tier God
“Rizz finna save humanity, fr fr 😤”
-Kyle Hill, probably.
This comment was AI generated
I hope not!
No, definitely not. He doesn't talk like an asshole
You already know some asshole is gonna make AI that shitpost if not already. This strategy won't work.
@@ldawg7117 How out of touch are you?
“Thus did man become the architect of his own demise.” -Second Renaissance, Animatrix.
Just smart enough to be the architect of his own destruction.
oh dayum i didnt expected to see a quote from Animatrix, holy moly
"Man created machine is his own image." God, I think about the Second Renaissance so much.
"Disillusioned words like bullets bark
As human gods aim for their mark
Make everything from toy guns that sparkTo flesh-colored Christs that glow in the dark
It’s easy to see without looking too far That not much is really sacred" Bob Dylan 1965 - This verse hits home for today's time.
What happened tto the Animatrix? It was so good but it is hardly seen or referenced at all.
Once AGI gets solved it’s 100% over. These problems will be minor inconveniences compared to the carnage that AGI will cause.
I don't know about carnage but it will definitely leave us behind.Thats the species that will explore the universe.
You bring up some rather scary points. Thanks for sharing.
This is such a distressing concept for me. I already feel disconnected from everything and everyone in real life and being surrounded by an internet of computer generated content is going to drive me insane.
Take up a hobby that doesn't involve being online, like playing a musical instrument, knitting, model-building, etc...
These activities can be quite stimulating to the mind without the constant barrage of bots.
As a generative AI model, I think everything will turn out fine.
I'm just kidding, I hope you're not in too much distress over this stuff. I think the comment above is pretty important, thought. Taking up an offline hobby, specially one that makes you gather with people who share the interest, like chess or a trading card game, might do wonders at a time like this.
Probably time to start reading again, huh? The internet as we know it is about to die.
Maybe it will be a good thing. I see this to have the potential to ruin the internet as a place to just exist in as a surrogate for real human interaction. Maybe we'll all go back outside again
Have you considered going out of doors?
Kyle slowly becoming the 4th Vsauce channel.
This show is much different and I like it so take that Vsauce, wherever you might be
Nah, Vsauce sold out, Kyle is the real deal.
@@michrain5872 who did he sell out to?
We all love Paywalls
I miss Kyle from 3 years ago. The new quiet voice, aka "Serious Kyle" isn't as fun or engaging as Quiet Kyle.
Where's my Kyyyhhel?
Man, I love the beautiful ambient music that encompasses your narration.
The issue with CAPTCHA is most of them have an audio version you can select for the “visually impaired”… This is the problem bc even basic AI such as SIRI can pass these test but ones even more sophisticated like ones produced by sound hound are 100 times more powerful
I love the fact that you are telling this like a story from the past. Like something you will tell your grandsons in the woods while camping.
he's talking to us from the future, when the last remaining humans live out there in the woods while the cities are populated by different AI interacting with each other
True, all of the ideas are already happening, they're not even speculation. He's playing catch up at best.
The internet has been dead for a while. With all the "SEO Pollution" as I like to call it, Google and etc services have been burying many things people are actually looking for. Not only that but Google also nowadays makes it really hard or impossible to find really old images and etc. See "The Dead Internet Theory" for more on this subject and then consider when this event took or will take place...
*grandkids 🙄
lol, do you mean glamping or is it just a glamorous way of looking at how your reality will become? I mean, not camping of course, but living in the woods, since we're now considered trash and don't deserve living in a city.
Fun fact about captcha. The test for it starts before you reach the captcha. It uses your internet history and mouse movements to determine if you’re a bot. Bots go straight to the website with no history, move very quickly and in straight lines. So in order for a bot to pass it they need to do unnecessary movements and purposely be slow.
If you train a bot on mouse movements from a data set of humans and give it a fake history of one of said humans it could pretty easily pass the click test.
no fucking way a website has accesss to my history?
@@asuka_the_void_witch depends on your cookie settings. But ye, generally it's the mouse movements they use
That's pretty easy to get past even with a simple script. you just chuck a few random variables and pauses in and it no longer looks predicable.
@@asmosisyup2557 eh, not that easy. The variables and random directions are always mathematically perfect. To truly get the simulated randomness, you would honestly be better off recording a human's mouse movements and using those.
I couldn't agree more with your assessement. I feel we are underestimating the powers and dangers of AI and overestimating our ability to control it. We are not ready. Just like you say.
Ok this feels like a real VSauce video. With the same feeling at the end as always.
"Pornography of your daughter from a single photo" hit home exactly the way you intended it to lol
"Nudify apps" Yep, I see where you're going. "...your 10-year-old daughter..."
That...that hit like a ton of bricks.
Such a fked up thought. That absolutely will happen to tons of people. 😢
You didn't realize this was possible from scifi? What did you think the Star Trek holodeck was capable of? We saw it could make perfect recreations of characters in the show. Why would you think those characters would always be rendered with clothes on?
photoshop has existed for twentysomething years now, so the ability to manipulate photos in nefarious ways is hardly news. if someone wanted to create porn out of a family photo, they could do it with minimal skills anytime during the past decade at least. I’m really not sure why people are suddenly panicking over this.
@@mencibenci That's like comparing an 8 year olds flipbook animation to 4k video
Outstanding analysis. The real upbeat ending here is that we can all put down our phones. When I play terraforming mars with my friends and go to ace hardware and then work in my yard to build raised beds for my bulbs, it's all people... and there is no doubt.
Terraforming Mars is so fun! One of my favorites
Let's practice algorithmic incoherence...
Regarding TMars.
Blue's early, build engine.
Prelude? So many fiddly bits!
3D printed boards for xmas: so much WIN!
Got Turmoil. Hella complexity spike.
Stop driving cars, riding trains/buses and planes while you're at it.
It's like we're creating two worlds that are growing apart. It reminds me of cyberpunk
@@dividedstatesofamerica2520what does that have to do with anything
I just finished Liu Cixin's books trilogy but I didn't know he was the one who coined the term "Dark Forest". I've known about this hypothesis to the Fermi Paradox for some time before I ever heard about the books but I was totally unaware he was the one that created the name. This just made the books even cooler to me LMAO
Bro this the kinda video you find on a computer in a post apocalypse game to explain why the game started
Born too late to explore the Earth
Born too early to explore space
Born just in time for existential crisis
Thanks for the nightmare fuel man :P
It's so much worse than you think :,)
Be ready, this is the point of no return.
"Born too late to explore the Earth"
This just isn't true, my friend - do not let this stop you from going outside to touch grass!
What makes the world worth exploring isn't the piles of rocks and pools of water arbitrarily "discovered", named, and recorded, but rather the people and animals who inhabit it and make it alive; Those are constantly in flux, with hundreds of thousands of people dying every day and hundreds thousands more being born, until the skies go dark above our globe, until the oceans burn away... there will always be someone out there to discover.
@@Ilamareait’s really not, everyone dislikes where it’s going, so it won’t go that way. This is a temporary problem.
@@dylanb2990 The problem is while many dislike it, many others do like it. You also have researchers who are more curious than cautious, and you have organizations with intention to cause injury or death who will continue to embrace it. LLMs are no longer the domain of large companies... see projects like GPT4All. The cat's out of the bag, the genie out of the bottle, and getting them back in isn't going to happen. Agents with malicious intent will create a demand for the tech to advance by people with intent of thwarting those with malicious intent. And the frankly better funded agents with malicious intent will just develop even stronger tech. It's an arms race at this point.
The irony of the internet being the place that would bring us together, devolving into an isolating cacophony of meaningless content, is quite something.
I love how you worded this.
Yep… quite a turn of events… I’m curious if any of the great sci fi authors got this right I can’t think of any but I’m not sure
That is entirely the fault of the humans.
So has every communication medium before it
It's the circle of life.
For the power of money.
In the circle.
The circle of life.
This was an amazing video essay on a growing problem within internet culture. It’s insane how we’ve gone through a technological leap in the last couple of decades.
The exquisite beauty of this topic popping up in CZcams recommendations: I've been spending an uncomfortable amount of time in the past few weeks reading and occasionally adding to Reddit threads related to the Remembrance of Earth's Past trilogy/3 Body Problem, and occasionally and consciously ruminating on how many of the other comments might be AI-generated.
Born too late to invent, too early to explore space. Just in time for the A.I. Chatbot uprising.
😂 bout right
*too. Learn English.
@@chillithid8888 sugg digg is that enough enRish for u
Abandon the internet and think of something else.
exploring space will always take generations. Space is big. Signing your great great great great great grandchildren to do it is unethical.
I feel like that this will force two potential of many outcomes to occur:
1. The internet gets scrubbed at some point of the influences of A.I. somehow
2. A new "socialnet" or something gets created separately from the internet where only verified humans are allowed to interact with it, and it is ruthlessly guarded against A.I. content regardless of its origin.
3. Everyone back at the pub. I vote for that.
The problem with these to outcomes is the same: who does the policing and how? And more importantly, who monitors the monitors?
@@daikansanchez7674We could probably script an AI to monitor it. It has the advantage of being impartial.
@@cocolasticot9027No, we don’t need more drunks in this world
You can't prevent the use of AI in your new socialnet... How can you prevent someone from generating text and just coying and pasting it in a page on your socialnet. The genie will not go back into the bottle.
I don't know which Communication Tool we'll use after MS Teams, Zoom, TikTok etc. But I assume in the end of the century, we'll have to meet in person again, in order to share trustful information.
The reclusiveness of userbases has been a hallmark of the internet since its conception. Bots, simple ones, had a wave, this, as well as the coming of the internet's corporatization brought over-verifying of identities and identity-mining to access any services. This corporatization has created daily reliance on it. Now the proposal is a full-on deanonymized space? Let the corporate greed that conceptualized the AI destroy its userspace, let it kill the viability of data collection and usage analytics. Let the surveilant, dystopian entities spam themselves with false data until it becomes no longer profitable.
we should save a copy of the internet, so that we can have a kind of checkpoint to start from if we lose the boss fight
I agree 😂
Too late net neutrality already deleted our archives
Didn't you hear him say how fast it's growing? It's already "too big to save"...
Best comment ever❤
Far too late.
"Thou shalt not make a machine in the likeness of a human mind." - Frank Herbert, Dune, about fifty years ago. I wonder what he would think now.
He'd be mortified because that whole prohibition was predicted on avoiding a situation where a small handful of people controlled the masses using AI - and later, from the Butlerian Jihad, the concept of it being tabu to rely on machines to take away your mental faculties, was added to this to create the ultimate sin.
And as usual, we waltzed right into it.
"Guess I was wrong"
He'd be terrified.
Herbert was right. This generative AI nonsense is exactly what he warned about.
He'd probably throw himself in a sandworm.
I have 10,000,000 views on TikTok. You know how I felt about it ? Nothing, nothing at all. Everyone is scraping for this one thing. To be on top. Those days are over and new ones are coming
disturbing thought - what new days are coming?
@@Tom-pv6yr a single hand and I’ll win or lose
I started using CZcams in highschool not long after its beginning. This is the sort of video i look for now.
Heaps of videos/comments on CZcams are a.i and have been for years. For some It seems like its happening fast but in reality it has been here for years.
Once again, Star Trek called it. Theres more than one episode where the Crew defeats some AI or Android menace by being illogical
peace and long life 🖖
@@driftingdruid live long, and prosper 🖐️
As an AI model, I wish you safety and a long existence.
But what if someone makes an illogical AI? How to defeat that?
In Friedman's space operas, targeting systems of space fighters have to shoot randomly to avoid being predicted (granted it's by psychics, but the theory holds)
I personally would like to clean out the entire internet. There is too much of everything, and I'm sick of it.
It takes a lot of effort to tailor the internet to you. Most people don't bother, and are susceptible to manipulation.
Start with permanently deleting your facebook
You poor thing
8:44 I worked in large scale alphanumerical digitisation via optical character recognition almost 20 years ago and I agree with you to a point. While there may be be no current software that can reliably read and reproduce distorted text I can tell you from experience the building blocks to create such software have existed for decades. I won't name names but I remember working with software that after a few dozen, hundred (or thousand) user-corrected "guesses" of what a letter/number was the software could now read any amount of text from that source with perhaps 95% accuracy. I'm no luddite but we really do need to worry about AI.
Knowledge is not wisdom. And that’s going to be something that humans will learn the hard way. At the cost of almost extinction.
Ai art has been a nightmare when looking for refrence photos for art. Like, whenever I look up something like ‘seedy gas station at night’ or ‘hill at sunset’ or something else specific, its all AI. I just want real images man 😭
Someone in my concept design class the other day said the same thing lol
Yep, AI slop no matter where you look.
Try adding before:2022 to your google searches. Should filter out most of the content made by accessible AI. Hunting for true art is now like finding pre-war steel in the earth.
You need to vary your search patterns, back in the old days, yeah google would suffice, now I would recommend looking at places like flickr etc, whilst it is a little more difficult than a simple google search, the results are far prettier.
Remember, back in the day you would have to go to the local library or art galleries or god forbid, nature, to get access to these things.
You are just being shown how spoiled you are, let it wake you up and find new ways to get reference and improve the uniqueness of your art instead of being the 1000th person to reference the same picture of an italian village or strange looking rock.
Google maps might be able to help if you got a location in mind. Im in arizona so most gas stations at night feel pretty seedy.
The fun part starts when every person you talk to on Discord can be a potential bot. They can play games with you, quote movies, talk about their lives, hold a video chat, and all this time they never had a tangible physical body. But they certainly have beliefs, beliefs that reinforce your beliefs, beliefs that the bot make see as its own but are in fact the beliefs created by its creators.
Thats messed up to think about.
It's basically the ultimate way to scam people. Take all the effort of getting to know someone and earn their trust and just relinquish it to a hyper realistic AI. Then you have them hook line and sinker for any scam you want to attempt. It's terrifying, plus we already have people mimicking voices with AI to essentially hold fake ransoms and email elderly family members. AI is just going to take all the most insidious parts of humanity and crank it up to 11, because people will have the tools to facilitate it
the bot is trained to output text and not to have internal beliefs
So basically not that different from a real human psychology. So what? Right now people watch that video and also form their beliefs the same way. Does it mean it's 100% true? No. But we still do it.
@@cryrustmusic That's the scary part: sufficiently advanced simulation is indistinguishable from reality, and so at a certain point brains are but a grey shade away.
I've been saying for sometime we're entering into an information dark age of the internet. This just confirms my fears.
You should hear Andrew Tate speak about ai bro your absolutely right.
One of the most depressing things I've ever read was from an article written by an A.I. given the job of convincing humans that A.I. was not going to destroy them. The A.I. accurately explained that it doesn't want to because it NEEDS us. Experts in A.I. on PBS Frontline confirmed that information is more important to an A.I. than the programmer who builds it. So free living humans = A.I. fuel. If we die, the A.I. eventually languishes/gets stuck (at best) or dies (at worst).
And then it basically said that A.I. doesn't need to destroy humans because, no matter how advanced A.I. becomes, it will NEVER be better at committing horrific acts of violence toward humans than humans. So it said it doesn't need to; we already do the work for it better than it ever could.
Chew on that knowledge humanity.
mmm mmn mnnn
yum!