AI vs Artists - The Biggest Art Heist in History
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Generative AI can be called many things depending on your point of view: machine, thief, tool, medium, collaborator, muse and even artist. In this video, I will try to find answers to a lot of complex things and I will attempt to judge this technology with an open mind. In the last couple of weeks, I spoke to many amazing artists and scientists about my mixed feelings about generative AI. Join me to hear their thoughts, my advice to creators and predictions on what’s to come.
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00:00 Introduction
00:59 AI Potential
01:40 Data Set / Image Generation
03:44 Text to Image Models
08:29 AI Style Mimicry
13:07 Intellectual Property
16:16 Nightshade
17:27 Commercial use of AI
22:48 Industrialized Art
26:44 Artists vs AI artists
32:06 AI Copyright
33:44 Ethical AI
37:24 Future in Art
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I'm neither pro-AI or anti-AI. It is what it is and it's not going anywhere. The reality is, it's not just human art that has been trained on, but code, legal documents, mathematical papers, scientific research papers, etc. If someone wants to call it theft, fine, but at the end of the day, it's not much different than a human learning from all these things and then creating art, code, stories, documents, etc from everything it's learned on. AI *will* replace nearly all "work-for-pay" jobs in the future, this is a fact. And they'll do it because they trained on everything we humans have ever created and published in some form or another. It doesn't mean people can't still create art (or code or whatever they like to do) but it's simply not going be something we can earn a living from.
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As an artist myself, I've been following this since the beginning. I get the resentment from artists. We are just first in line, as the crosshairs have us front and center. You can hear it from themselves in this video: They did all the hard work, all the years of blood sweat and tears, and now they're being shut out. AI will come for everyone eventually, not just us poor saps who were all born at the wrong time. Tomato Soup cans and the Sandorn style are perfect examples of this which are just graphic design elements now. People are expedient and lazy, and that goes for artists as well. Making great art 'still relies on a lot of skills and practice' and the truly great ones will be the ones rising to the top, everyone else will have to be satisfied with their Walmart printouts.
Eventhough he's trying to cover all the arguments here, this video doesn't persuade anyone against using AI art. Photographers were accused of this at the dawn of photography so using photography as an example in the video doesn't work here. Every technology removes another layer of effort; typography is another example. What about artists who generate AI art and ad their own flair to it? Are they stealing? All of human history is building upon the past.
And by the way, I don't think comparing Napster and Midjourney is fair. That's just my opinion.
Image sickness is nothing new, it's just more vast. All these lofty ideas in this video about what is art and what is a true artist are so old and I have heard them since grade school. No one cares. So if you want to really make a difference in your life, let your life be your art, before AI comes for that too. Warhol said it himself, "Art is what you can get away with." He would know.
"Your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn't stop to think if they should." Ian Malcolm Jurassic park
100 percent
Ian Malcolm remains relevant
As harsh as it is for this to be unleashed on the art community in such a rapid way, it has helped shine a light on the possibilities of AI and given the general public a pretty concrete sense of how far AI has come.
The thing is this innovation was actually already in place for many years before we knew it could be used for this purpose - the underlying technology comes from completely unrelated research in self driving cars which need to understand the world and form a picture of it.
For many years we’ve been a lot closer to this than almost anyone realised, and not a good situation that five years ago even top experts thought this would be a 100 years away.
IMO it’s better for it to be out in the open now, for us to discuss the implications of it, before some bad actor went and created their own General AI in secret and either unleash it and cause havoc or gain an upper hand on the rest of the world.
Whether the scientists ‘should’ have used it for this purpose is only a question that can be discussed or answered with the benefit of hindsight, with Scientists already having done it.
Imagine going back to the 1950s and asking a person “should we make Twitter?”
They wouldn’t know what a Twitter was, or an internet, they couldn’t meaningfully comment on whether Twitter was a good or bad invention to make.
It was the same just a few years ago when these generative models were first being developed.
The implications of a Midjourney can only be discussed now that we know what one is - you’re not going to be able to make the case to a government or even artists that they should be afraid of the shitty version 1 of Midjourney.
I remember it was only a couple of years ago we were all laughing at how garbage AI generated screenplays were.
Apparently it's a reoccurring human problem. What a fucking life
@@btn237 "before some bad actor went and gained an upper hand on the world"
That is literally what is happening though. There is zero other reason for this technology to exist other than to cut costs. There's no positive benefit that results from this for the general public. Maybe a few exploitative opportunists are cashing in on the moment but that isn't going to last. The end result of this is devaluing skill.
The fact that I can't even do a reliable google image search for reference material without going through a MOUNTAIN of bullshit AI images just spells the end of using the internet as a library.
This is such a sorry ass excuse. An image being ai generated doesn't take away its value as a reference. You are honestly crying about something that is a positive in the specific scenario of reference images. You're no longer bound by what images you can find for reference you can generate ai stuff that is specifically the type of things you're looking for now. If its a question of morality that's idiotic. It's basically saying you're more moral for stealing directly from a person than using a middle man. If Ai art is theft so is every single thing drawn using a reference or building on past works the person has studied. You don't want to create art you want to cry and make excuses why you can't instead.
Same. Pinterest became a shithole full of thousands of AI shit.
Oh my God the Facebook groups! I used to be members of all the traditional art boards, now it's just a pile of lazy assholes posting A.I watercolor-like and acrylic-like photos, telling us how they're beautiful and expecting praise like they sit there smelling there own farts. It's disgusting and sad.
Even for non-artists, there are a lot of reasons to want real images of things and now it's ruined for everyone. Now there's a good chance you will get images that will be inaccurate to how something really was historically. You could want to see what buildings, weapons or clothing looked like for a specific time period and culture and get AI images mixing in completely different cultures and time periods.
The internet wasn't always right about everything before, but certain topics that weren't controversial were easy to get the truth about. Now research of any kind is basically compromised by AI.
I never thought id be ever have to go back to the library, but here we are lmao
Let's say five years ago, whenever I would show someone my work, I'd get responses like: "Wow, that looks great! You are so talented!". These days, the responses are more: "Wow, that looks great! Did you make that yourself or did you prompt it?"
Every time someone asks that, I feel a small part of my soul dying inside. I have spent decades developing my style and skills. To this day, I am STILL working on trying to achieve perfection in my style within the skills that I have. It is absolutely devastating to see so many people instantly assume what you make is fake, and it breaks my heart.
I understand how you feel, artist here.
It's painful to see people do that, but it makes absolutely sense.
I do that too.
You see something "too good to be true" nowadays and you rightfully wonder whether it was done by an actual human being, whos got years of experience, knowledge, and passion behind or it was pumped out by a model.
When I look at generative AI I genuinely think it's good. But aside from that, I feel nothing else.
There's no one behind that image. There's no artist there. Just the AI, and my final thoughts are just "meh.."
Yes. I've worked professionally as an illustrator and animator since the 1980s. It was bad enough being a 2D traditional Disney animation artist when Pixar came along. Eventually my paper and disc were no longer of any use in producing feature films, and I didn't like the homogenized look of CG, but I DID have other styles and skills to fall back on, so walking away from traditional animation was hard, but not devastating. I was an excellent teacher, and spent decades training the next generation of artists on the side.
But now ALL of it feels like wasted effort. My hundreds of students have no futures outside of prompting machines. My freelance is already gone. Creativity and self expression is a HUMAN need; when that's stolen away from us, what's left?
@@GingerPeacenik Yeah, that hurts 😞
I hope to god that every artist will continue to fight. People need to see the necessity of art, and althought we shouldn't have to prove ourselves and our worth, as long as we keep fighting for out existence, there is hope.
Perhaps that's something to hold on to...
I think the best way to counter this is to stress the value of having made it yourself. Don't die inside for it, say it proudly. Yes, believe it or not this was made by a real human (me!) without just outsourcing all the work to machine. It was made with the actual intelligence of a human, everything you see had conscious intent put into it.
Until we create literal artificial persons, this will always have artistic value (and economic value as well, if you're into that).
@@GingerPeacenik How is creativity and self expression stolen from You?
Jesus christ you artists are so incredibly pretentious and entitled.
You can STILL draw whatever you want.
There is nothing that AI generated pictures threatens but your ability to monetize your art. That's it, and even that is only limited to digital art.
Did acoustic music die with the invention of the synthesizer? Programs allowing for sound design previously thought impossible? Perfect rhythms, perfect intonation etc. Did guitarists around the world cry about how they wasted all their time learning to play, and now all you hear is digitalized, generated sounds?
Get over yourself. If you create art for the sake of self expression, literally nothing changes.
If you create art for the sake of wide spread recognition, economic success etc, yeah, you might be disappointed by the future (but even then, only if you don't adapt to your changing environment. Fucking go to the street and paint something publicly. You think AI art can replace that?)
I'm a guitarist, and I've never once felt threatened by any AI music, digital Musik, or whatever. Why? I play because I enjoy playing. I enjoy the process. Nothing changed for me. I would have played the guitar the same 200 years ago or 200 years in the future.
What is stupid is one of the known art schools here in the Philippines wants their students to use AI to generate storyboards instead of them brainstorming on it.
That's very lazy. :/
There are good art schools. There are also very bad ones. At least, this one gives away some intel regarding its quality... ^^'
It's perfectly ok since it's not the tool that makes the artist
@@nicejungle but they are a lot of people who claims they made the "artwork" by themselves and there are a lot of people who believes in that.
Unfortunately that is the reality they will face in the near future when they are trying to get a job. AI is happening. It's best that they are familiar with these tools.
I'm a self taught digital artist, who can't paint traditionally due to severe allergies. I started to paint close to my 30s and spent last 10 years learning and studying arts, while my main job has nothing to do with it and I'm the only breadwinner in the family. It's been such a long journey, full of literal pain and sleepless nights. But it finally started to pay off, when I got at least a bit close to the techniques I pursued. And sometimes artwork takes months to be done due to the thinking process, re-sketching, re-compositioning etc. All that only to recieve comments like "oh, what was the prompt? It's obvious, realistic digital art is AI generated". Can't fully describe how down I am rn. But I decided to proceed with my studies. And come what may.
I do envy traditional artists though. Their art will become more and more valuable over time, I believe.
I struggle with the uncertainties that come with all of this. It was always hard to make your living in the art industry, and all of these developments are making it increasingly more difficult. But recently I realized the time I spend studying is not wasted, because I loved doing it. And I will always have that, even if I can’t pay my rent with a job in the arts. So currently I'm just trying to take it one day at a time and enjoy my journey while it lasts. If it ends there may be nothing I can do about it, and I have been blessed at least to have had these experiences.
Amazing that you managed to teach yourself and get this far, all I can say is keep it up and for what it’s worth your journey is an inspiration to people like me, even through CZcams comments like this.
Make sure to document every stage of your progress!! So that these people know that you actually put work in these. And maybe consider trying to upload on different social playform to avoid being harassed with the ai bros. I recommend pillowfort!! Its a really close tight community and the website prohibits any use of genai in drawings and writing
artmirka . . . I so understand, as a self-taught digital artist, although I paint also, I have been in the business for 25 years! Please read my comment above on my thoughts. Let you passion be your setting, your future will be what you make of it. I thought I was finished with AI, but on the contrary. Don't fight it, be human, tell your story, there is much more interest in that, as it's humans that buy art! Be a 'human' selling art! Good luck to you!
The problem is not the AI generated art. The people are the problem.
That is so shitty, im so sorry. Was also deciding on making an art account on tumblr, but its dumpster fire right now for them selling out all their users to midjourney and openai.
So i suggest! At the very least, change social platforms! Facebook, reddit, and twitter are kind of...not good for an art account, always at risk for being harassed by ai bros.
I really highly suggest to you that you try at pillowfort, its still small, but the community is tight knit. There's no algorithmn there so its definitely relaxed. Any ai assisted or generated works are not allowed on there! So i definitely made my stay there
I share the pessimism around the future for artist-made art. In a time when companies will prioritize cutting costs to the point of jeopardizing workers' physical health and safety, it's hard to imagine they would go "oh yeah, obviously we need to pay a real artist to do that" vs telling the intern to whip up something in one of these tools for pennies.
I think a lot of people, don't wanna consume AI made media. Even if it's the best thing ever, as soon as we find out it's AI made, we instantly find it soulles or bad.
@@conocido4416 You'll find that most people don't care at all and you'll see this clearly when more AI stuff comes out. And the "as soon as we find out" argument implies that your bias is taking over your cognition and enjoyment of products too, we saw this clearly with the fake Palworld outrage. People were enjoying the game they just bought then all of a sudden they're malding when they find out it supposedly(not factually) used AI. This isn't logical in the slightest and the opinion of people who act like this will never matter because they're such an extreme minority. Radical zealots who don't care about fun or quality and can't be reasoned with.
@@DemWaifus you're right. It's over for artists
@@conocido4416 Sure, but lots of people won't care, either. And if you found out your absolute favourite book, album, picture or TV series, that you have obsessed over for years, was actually made by AI, would you really suddenly dislike it? Even if you would, lots wouldn't. So when AI makes things people like, it will be consumed
@@jeremymcmahon9546 yes and at that moment - we’re fucked, there’s no culture and growth without arts (and I mean all of it writing, painting, music, movies, games - you name it), so funny enough atomic bomb wasn’t what killed us, ironic enough - “creative” AI will)
As an artist I’ve been paying close attention to this. But every time I tell someone about how damaging this is to artists it’s always a “boo boo suck it up” response.
Don't worry, they'll sing a different tune when they are the ones in risk of replacement. And just some words of encouragement. I'm also an artist and all my life people have been telling me that art isn't a viable career choice but in my own practice I have found that people need and crave art wether they know it or not.
People who respond to you in this way are probably jealous. A lot of people are jealous of artists because they wish they could make money being creative instead of working in jobs they can’t stand just to survive. There are people who empathize with you so please don’t let these a**holes bring you down.
Are you an artist because you can paint or draw, or are you an artist because you can communicate an idea or thought through your medium of choice?
@@martinazhila6396 That's odd, I don't remember this kind of uproar from artists when AI was replacing other jobs. It's almost like people don't care until they are affected, artists included.
@@martinazhila6396 many roles on mine sites have been replaced by automated systems, as have many jobs in factories and warehouses.
Creativity will never end or die. We will always be fascinated by artists who develop new styles and concepts. This will always be the same. With or without ai.
The main issue is how to tell them apart. Who and what to trust.
@@sebastianb.1926being concerned about whats AI or not is like comparing an image formed by a camera and an artist painting the same landscape taken by the camera. Ultimately they are the same image. One can be made by non artist but an artist can still edit the photo to make it even more beautiful, interesting and pleasing to a wider audience.
"Transferring value from artists and other creators to megacorporations using massive amounts of energy is not the AI that I dreamed of" -Gary Marcus
Dang... That's very telling. I have the same point of view. In the end, the only ones that really benefits from this are big corporations and other nerdy opportunists, scammers, and so on. That's such a shame. It should empower creative minds, not drain them dead.
Gary Marcus is a noted AI naysayer, as head of Meta's AI Lab and Meta's vice-president, Yann LeCunn, once said "It's easy to find a difficult area of science and criticise it for lack of progress and make a name for it".
I'm all for AI Nay sayers. Nerds online acts like everything that was published online was their possession. Just look at NoUSR/NoUS: "No one exists on the internet". Screw such a toxic mentality. AI makers are art thieves and intellectual property thieves and now they're making humans fucking obsolete. Are you so urged to get replaced by a machine? Physically. @@TheManinBlack9054
I'm all for AI Nay sayers. Nerds online acts like everything that was published online was their possession. Just look at NoUSR/NoUS: "No one exists on the internet". Screw such a toxic mentality. AI makers are art thieves and intellectual property thieves and now they're making humans fucking obsolete. Are you so urged to get replaced by a machine? Physically.
Truth is that AI for tedious tasks and repetitive tasks, it'S all good. But AI for tasks that brings us pleasure doing them are an annoyance.
@@TheManinBlack9054 So? argument still stands.
Akira Toriyama died today. His world and vision shaped millions of artists and their visions as well. We know these names not solely by their art but by their contribution to the now culture because they are a product of culture themselves. AI art does none of this! They’re not a product of any culture, vision, emotion or world experience, they’re just images based on other images. That’s why I feel that, just like in music you always value the artist more than the art, pictures, paintings, drawings will always have more value if done by a human being with who you share a connection than an overglorified algorithm. Great video! Agree 100% with everything in this.
You cannot simultaneously complain about how AI trained and "took" all your culture (see: title of this video, even), and then also say that they are not a product of culture. These are literally exact opposite statements. Pick one.
"create an artwork in the style of Akira toriyama"
@@gavinjenkins899 being trained with something is not synonymous with being a product of it. that's exactly the point the person above made. there is a real discrepancy because when a person creates art based on something they saw or studied or are influenced by, there are emotional, intuitive and perceptional impulses coming into play which are defining the process of creating it as well as the outcome - while AI misses all of these steps, it just blends together multiple shards of (stolen) reference by pure number/code.
@@loewi9223 Over many people, at a population level, those other factors boil down effectively to random and are functionally replaced by the RNG used to choose starting seeds in stable diffusion. The actual art strokes and patterns are just from what you've seen, re-mixed may-as-well-be randomly. By your logic, again, all human artists are also "thieves", since they stole all their tropes and brushwork and color mixing etc from artists before them without paying royalties. If you don't want art from "thieves" in that sense, have fun with empty walls, because there literally is none.
@@gavinjenkins899 this argument is quite predictable, and in my view really shows a lack of involvement in the struggle and experience of creating. Your point of boiling down everything to randomness in order to equate the AI with the artist is not sustainable. Literally everything is inspired by the real world, yet we widely agree that there exists something called art and originality although artists have always been creating things based on what they perceive around them and based on what people before them achieved.
Perception though is not something lawful or static but rather subjective and highly complex and most importantly not measurable. The point is, it’s not data. And the point is, if you tell 100 people to draw a Picasso just from memory, the result will be unpredictable and way more dynamic because each individual’s version of what constitutes the style, technique, character etc. of a Picasso is not just an artificially randomised amalgamation out of a finite set of given input but an imaginative and biased process. AI cannot be a product of any culture because it does not have any real experiences in the world, it’s just programmed to copy and blend togther.
When I go looking for art references now as a novice artist, trying to improve my art I keep running into ai bullshit and now I often ask myself if I'm actually referencing something real or if I'm learning the thing wrong.
I mean that's the thing. AI is as good at art as people are these days to the point you can't tell, and in certain areas where it isn't (say hands), it will be soon if it already isn't by tomorrow. That's how fast it moves.
Real vs wrong is kind of a misnomer here. Ai art ain't wrong, if you want to argue ethics that is a different book. But if you're here to just learn art (and not shit around with ethics), then it's not objectively wrong to learn from. Human art is as real as ai art. One ain't more imaginary or tangible than the other.
And art imitates life. If you really wanna learn how to draw things the "REAL" way, go do a life drawing session with a human model.
filter out images before 2020
I disagree, I’ve seen thousands of AI created art work and each time I can tell 100% it’s AI they always have the same brush patterns and lines no matter what prompt you use. AI will become scary once they add human emotion and intuition then the art it creates will be exactly the same as humans
@@mkit18 "Ai art ain't wrong"
I have generated thousands of AI images so far and I can't remember seeing a single one without any wrong details. Image generation works so well because small visual errors are hard to detect for us, but they are there. That's why code generation with AI is still so bad, even small mistakes matter.
Do human artists make mistakes too? Yes. But those aren't as random and unpredictable, or may even be deliberate choices. In AI those things are all mixed together. There's no way I'm gonna learn from an AI that can't even keep the light sources consistent within an image.
In 20 years, people will be amazed at how some people can generate images without using a computer.
The worst thing happen to me with AI is that I completed an illustration and some person told/ suggested me to use AI to make my art work look 'better'.
don't listen to dummies that can't appreciate the novelty of your creation. you do you !
I'm studying a BA in photography and constantly been advised to use AI. I find it both baffling and infuriating.
@@charlieribeiro6343 Landscape photography is irreplaceable. But the bullcrap stock photography of something sitting on a table really isn't that hard to replicate
Haha... that's like telling a runner that their training and technique doesn't matter as long as they can identify as a runner when they hop onto a motorcycle.
1950s: In the future, machines will do all the hard work for us so we can all be painters, musicians and actors!!
The actual future: Machines do all the art so you can flip burgers.
We have robots flipping burgers now. So I guess we don't even have that.
@@kimatlastlooks2915 damn bro I'm Hella fked huh💀
1950s were about communism?
The primary distinction between humans and animals lies in the human capacity to create art. One could even argue that the essence of civilization is art; remove it, and humans would regress to an animalistic state.
@@kimatlastlooks2915 maybe not exactly yet, but stuff like the recently realeased "figure 01" robot will definitely not leave physical jobs like that when sufficiently advanced in the near future.
Out of the five stages of grief we are between anger and bargaining, we were in the first stage when the artists proclaimed that their job was impossible to automate due to its intrinsically human nature, now they realise that that is not a prerequisite to do their job and claim that this is theft and lash out, they’ve begun petitioning for ai companies to stop training their models on their data. I can completely imagine that in a few months to a year when they ai take over of their field progresses further, people will fall into a deep depression before finally coming to accept the altered landscape of art and their place in it
I hear the argument and agree with what is being said by the artists ( I myself am a musician and photographer) but from my experience with the general public, in this scenario you are Jamie Oliver telling the kids how the nuggets are made and the public are the kids still choosing the nuggets.
😂
Thank you for making me remember that xD
You are dead right too. 🤣
This is the harsh truth of it. Even without the outright content theft, generative AI devalues artists and it's good enough for most consumers.
The fact that MidJourney hasn't been put under some kind of restriction yet is baffling. Goes to show no country is willing to shut down an unethical company as long as they give them some money.
Real, and then the moment people at the top gets affected by these, they'll start acting up, they really don't care. Barf.
@@Bruh-vf8np The moment Biden got hit with the robocalls in New Hampshire encouraging people not to vote the FCC made AI robocalls illegal post haste.
It's an uncomfortable truth that the main people allied with AI companies right now are Joe Biden and Chuck Schumer. They're the people primarily responsible for AI companies being allowed to run rampant.
If artists really wanted to make a stand for themselves, those are the people who need to feel the heat.
But it's also true that artists generally are going to vote democrat and be liberal or progressive. And with the specter of Donald Trump looming no one wants to speak ill of the democrats.
But you all deserve at least to know who's stabbing you in the back.
It took communist revolutions and revolts sweeping through the world for decades, as well as vicious strikes, to get industrialization to not consume human children and other vulnerable categories as disposable tools to produce capital for the few. If we let the AI go further, what will it take to rein it in? We get educated to make fun of luddites, but when breaking down machinery didn't work human beings started breaking down their societies and centuries-old institutions instead.
It's not just MidJourney. It's all AI development, including ChatGPT. They steal code, newspaper articles etc... That's why New York Times sued ChatGPT and OpenAI. All AI development is based on theft. They steal labor by real humans, to train their neural networks. Code, music, video, articles, books, artwork, animation, photography, logos, characters...all stolen. It's happening left, right, center. It's shocking to me that these companies are not seen as criminal organizations. It's global scale theft, happening right in front of our eyes. Yet everyone, including governments, seems to be just standing and looking when burglars carry furniture into their van in broad daylight
And sadly there's already several similar, or even "better" sites than MidJourney. For example Krea and Ideogram. Ideogram handles text much better than MidJourney, threatening graphic designers more than MidJourney. Krea on the other hand offers real-time image generation, your image changes in real time as you type. It has also other featuers that MidJourney doesn't, like intelligent upscaling, similar to Magnific AI. But all of them were trained on stolen data, including Magnific. Then there's animation sites like Pika, PixVerse and Runway. Which all are based on video/art/animation theft. Sora will be too.
Because they refuse to modernize laws for today's issues...we're still going on primitive rules from the 1700s
Midjourney: "If you create AI art based on copyrighted materials that may cause us money. We will find you and make you pay up the infringement."
So much for democratizing art for everyone.
Use Stable Diffusion.
SO basically they can sue the artist for infringement after stealing his art. Great. We evolved in 2024
@@DemWaifus Diffusion is responsible for releasing the opensource tools that allow for photorealistic CP of real children. They are not the good guys.
Midjourney is literally closed source, if you want something uncensored then you need to use an open source model
@@GCatalinStefan did op correct smth in the edit, or did you misinterpret what they said
The most annoying thing about AI is when the discussion gets derailed to "what's real art?" When the core issue is data theft
Whether it's image, video or text generators, the data used to train them is often scrapped from the internet with nobody's consent and they're getting away with it. How nobody has been arrested for this is beyond me
As long as the aggregator scraper computer changes just one thing on the image or melds to other images, it is considered an original work. So suing the owners of said machine is very near impossible.
@@kerrytakashi12 I don't think thats really how that works, images are more unique than text. and most text that is fed to an LLM is just general information.
Scraping the internet isn't illegal and it's what has allowed search engines to work for the last 30 years, they use exactly the same process.
With this premise just looking at something would be considered stealing. AI is not stealing it learns. It is hard to accept but it is closer to the truth. Humans are not unique in their creativity.
@@theirongiant74 Search engines aren’t presenting information as something it created.
The success of AI is based on envy and narcissism. These two have developed excessively in the era of the Internet and social media and the desire to be appreciated is based on the constant comparison with those who are successful. Envy is the emotion of the lazy man, of the one with low resistance to frustration, of the man who received everything quickly and effortlessly. He is the product of the development of technology. He wants the world to believe that he is rich, that he is handsome, that he is talented without actually being. The appearance satisfies him and he considers it sufficient; anyway, he only hunts virtual likes.
respect for an artist arose for me when he/she demonstrated a struggle which made it necessary to cultivate virtue and endurance to arrive at this level of skill. This process creates virtue and patience in the artist and the ability to suffer without lashing out. Deep down we know that we respect and desire these characteristics more than the sensual experience we get from the consumption of art.
Very well put, thank you.
Couldn't have said it better, this needs to be echoed harder!
It's really quite a miracle that a conglomerate of living cells, seemingly crude and relatively "inefficient", manifest a consciousness that create imagery that is dumbfounding, beautiful and inspiring.
And AI prompters want to shortcut that. Those behind AI image generation want art to be something we simply consume.
If you know it "deep down" do you actually live it? Do you pay $400 for boutique hand crafted furniture and only the finest hand plucked goose down pillows, and hand woven table placemats, and hand blown glass goblets etc. etc. etc. in your own life? Nope. You buy cheap stuff from IKEA like the rest of us, on at least most things like that (people have specific areas they care about but not the rest). The CONSUMER is the source of all these tools. If nobody valued cheap, fast products, IKEA, and AI art, would not exist. It's caused by you and me indeed not actually valuing these things much at all, at least far less than the price tag that they necessitate. Which means we don't actually value them at their cost. Which is a fancy way of saying we don't value them.
Great analysis and points. Most of beginner artist like me who lost all hopes and vision for future this video is great and understandable.
I hope in future my art and many artist's art remain protected and flourish for better.
For the non-artists - it's not just art that is being fed to these datasets, it's all your photos on your social media accounts too. Your selfies, photos of your family, of your vacations, everything.
And thank you for making this video. It really explains everything very well. 🙏
real!
That's the price of free to use software.
That's the Internet for you.
Maybe an AI is being fed these comments too?
I am glad that 16yo me had the foresight to restrict my fb and insta pages to just close friend groups.
Wow! You managed to talk about all my fears and discomfort I have been internalizing. As a photographer, AI generated art has been devastating to my moral. Thank you for saying what is needed to be said, in a articulate and well researched way. It may not help to stop the train, but at least it makes people aware of how destructive AI art actually is.
Thank you very much for doing this CZcams video! I'm a freelance illustrator with more than 20 years of experience in the business and I really appreciate your support and consideration. Just wanting to add my two cents about AI Tech pros and their behavior. I think they're lack of respect and empathy stems from the very fact that they never had to work for it. Only by studying and working at something can you truly understand what that thing is. They have no respect for art or the process because they have never done it.They don't know the work that it takes to understand Concepts like perspective, anatomy, color theory, composition or lighting. They put the same amount of work into these images that you do when you order a pizza over the phone. And they have no understanding of what comes out the other end. therefore they have no respect for it. Nor do they have any respect for the people whose shoulders they're standing on that make those images possible. If the epitome of entitlement.
And they knew exactly what they were doing and the value of it.
THAT is WHY they had to STEAL THE ART IN THE FIRST PLACE!
@@pat4005 Very much so. I'm just remarking about the people who use it, not the people who created it.
people who don’t do art think it is purely the idea and the end product and the in between is an inconvenience…it’s actually hilarious because some tech nerds act like they actually made the thing. I decided to try it in earnest (putting my icky feelings aside) just to see what applications it could have…one thing i realised that makes so much sense is it doesn’t feel like creation. It feels like a game or programming. It’s not “look what i made” it’s “look what I made it do” which is why it’s so popular with a particular brand of people. Legit the level of input wasn’t that much. At first i was a little thrown at how easy it was to get what was in my head down (you do start to see some limitations after a bit) i could probably get it near perfect if i went at it for a while…but why? i didn’t make it, yeah some of the pics were my charachters exactly as vividly as they appear in my head (again i was a little shook) but it’s really no different if i got somone to commission then for me.These images were not something i would proudly hold up as my own.
Are you saying that artists don't study and steal other artists' art? It's ok if they do it, but not others. Right. The software they made that is capable of doing that is by far the greatest art. And you are saying that they never had to work for it...
Nah, the lack of respect comes from the fact that they can get away with it. Artists are underpaid, have no intrinsic rights, (at least not ones they can enforce without lots of money to fight a legal battle), and are easily silenced - just like how it's easy to insist that women work deadend jobs and take 100% of care work, the same "logic" is applied when abusing the work of artists, and then pretend they're being paid fairly.
As a supplier to Getty Images I have no recollection of being asked if my shots could be used to train their dataset.
Do you get paid though?
@@johanbrandstedt9570if they took millions of picture from people without their consent, would they pay them? Of course not, that’s not how stealing data works🤓
@@johanbrandstedt9570I never saw anything on a statement.
@@Drawperfectcircles nah the stock agencies silently expanded their contracts to cover this competing use, and pay pennies. Because eThIcAL
I'm sure it's the user agreement and fine print.
Thank you for this! Only a hobby artist, but also a college professor and I see how AI is creepy or leaping into every aspect of what used to be creative thought. AI is also being trained to take the place of writers of fiction and poetry and music composers as well. Creativity in the arts and arts for arts' sake is about the only thing left that separates humans from machines. A bit of the soul of the artist/writer/composer is embedded in each of his or her works. Funny, I never thought that when "machines take over the world" it would start with images of elven castles on a mountain or 5 lines of haiku.
best documentary on the topic I've seen so far! Love that you mentioned how Adobe Stock contributors were not aware their work was being trained on
This is why I hope that programs like Glaze and Nightshade become more widespread - maybe even integrated into digital art softwares like the Adobe suite and Clip Studio Paint in the future. We can’t do anything about the work that was stolen, but moving forward, we can take back a little more of our agency when we create things.
just don't show any of your work.
@@TamalPlays You telling that anyone can use anything in internet: movies, games, softwares, as they want for commercial use?
@@peacefulman2196 yes anyone can learn from any movies, games, softwares, as they want for commercial use.
The problem with those applications is that they heavily use the GPU, as they're AI applications as well, but they shield the art instead of using it. A lot of artists don't have access to a computer with a good GPU to use them locally, and using them on the website gives a lot of undesirable results. It is also troublesome for the people who do traditional art and whose only tool to show their artwork online is their phone camera. I feel like the only effective path we can have is through the image's metadata and law enforcement. Unfortunately, like Elon Musk said in a podcast a while ago, when AI wasn't yet so advanced, we needed legislation back then, because it was rapidly developing and when we realized we needed legislation, it would already be too late.
@@TamalPlaysjust don’t live
This is why there's "social media" so companies can use your ideas. It's not to let us get our creations to normal people like you and I.
ive always felt that way about social media. its just giving corporations your mind for free.
'When something is free, you are the product' in a nutshell
Not how laws work
Normal? dull
@@bunnywar Then what are "General Data Protection Regulations" for?
It's all over! I'm a professional artist with over 35 years of experience who never showcased my work publicly because I made a decent living freelancing. Recently, I joined ArtStation with a new account. I don't see any chance to make it there anymore - no likes, no sales of prints, nothing! AI is taking over, and it seems to be fine with everyone. It's all over. We once had it all!
Good!
Art is finally free, creating art is now open to everyone.
@@ParumPirum No its not. The AI is creating art. You're just a customer, at a restaurant asking for a "nice steak". You haven't created anything. Just because you ask to put the sauce on the side of the steak, doesn't mean you were in anyway part of the creative process. You might consider this a good thing, and it usually is typical that people laugh when some field of work is crushed under automation, and then cry when their own field of expertise gets automated.
As a side question, how long do you think it's gonna be free? You think these massive corporations just stealing other peoples work for their AI datasets, are gonna keep this free forever, or just long enough to crush resistance by using the free users like yourself who think this goldmine will free forever? 😆
@@tm5123art is free, just learn to live with it buddy!
@@ParumPirumyou create nothing , you just go to a restaurants and you tell to the chef what you want , he made it .... congratulation......
@@tm5123 thats the jealous of someone who sees that others now can to do their imaginations more easy, thats the problem , the problem is that you are jealous, same shit happend when first digital cameras came out , film was the art now is not art ant bullshit why? because they didnt want to evolve........afte was photoshop..... that not art here we go again , people not wanted to evolve, same now! just people dont want to evolve and learn something new...........
I wonder why they started automating art...
Artists usually are a dictator's first targets.
And/Or maybe it's just to satisfy this lust for instant gratification, it's just a continuation of fast fashion.
Adobe keeps contradicting itself by saying things in support of artists, but at the same time using AI generation the other companies do; even Wacom is now doing the same. One of the worst things I see out of all of this is the vitriol these AI "artists" spit at artists who voice their concerns over their work being stripped and fed into these generators. Disgusting, have humans truly no empathy or morals left? We're no better than beasts.
Profitability has taken us to dark places like how it's considered a risk to feed the starving and house the homeless. Everything is motivated by the profit incentive including efficiency, affordability and convenience. Why pay for quality, hard work and a passion for their craft when you can get a carbon copy from a machine? Why hire workers under good conditions and compensate them with fair pay when you could just...not?
Writers will hold all the power moving forward, they can populate there scripts and books into existence without not only an artist but also actors, film directors, lighting teams...everybody. In fact consumers will probably be able to feed books into an AI system and watch whatever visual novel they want at any time.
Everyone here realizes 99% professional art studios and actual professional artists have been using AI tools for years, right?
Technology reveals the true face of this species. It's a test, and the species is failing.
All of this artificial reality creating technology proves that this isn't real. 😂
@@bo-xt1ps this is just false mate... dunno where you get your information from, but as someone who has worked in the industry, i can tell you that this is not the case.
This is part of the reason why I raised my prices the beginning of this year. I look at my art as luxury items you can’t buy Gucci at Walmart.
Right - but this is not available to everyone. I'd even argue, art that's supposed to hang on the wall is less at danger as is the people working in the creative industry (like character, or prop designers). Here we have the opposite effect - they were already not payed well, now the pressure will get even worse.
just saw your work homie, trust me, your stuff aint gucci HAHAHAHAHA.
its not even available to him, his stuff is poopoo. @@lalicaroful
@@micaheiber1419
Can you elaborate on the aviation industry crashing pls? How and when??
Then again, everyone can be an artist today. Just draw a yellow circle on a blue canvas. Voila. Gimme thousands.
Really amazing content. I have shared your videos before with students... and I plan on sharing this all over. I added it to the Düssel York City Studios feed on LinkedIn and tagged you! Great work.
First of all thank you for this video. I am a fashion designer, who came into fashion from a fine art background and in many interviews I am asked my opinion about AI. When AI was just beginning I immediately rejected any notion of it. Then people started tagging me in AI generated images that reminded them my style. It annoyed me a little, but i brushed it away with a statement "AI is not an artist, this is not art" Yet there are plenty of people, who were never educated in art and for whom AI generated images are art and who in their ignorance turn to the artists and say, go get a real job. The problem is not in technology, the problem is always in us, people. I am old enough, I remember emergence of digital art and questioning is it a real art. Obviously now the situation is more serious, anyone who is literate can type in a prompt and get several images in a matter of seconds. It is so satisfying and at the same time to someone not familiar with the creative process to see such incredible results with so little effort might seem that artist is a pretentious expensive nuisance and who needs them anyway. The videos like yours are needed in copious amounts, we cannot stay silent and see how the tool, because Ai is just a tool, becomes a replacement.
This is by far the best video I have seen that outlines all the ethical issues surrounding generative AI. Very well done. Thank you for making this.
it is very good
I agree. Every different element of the debate that I’ve heard or thought about was covered, and done in a way that’s very easy to understand.
Adobe can easily be bypassed as someone use a small artist's work as stock despite the artist didnt consent to it plus stock owners can't opt out until it's too late
ADOBE WILL NEVER BE ETHICAL
They probably already mentioned it in their EULA's you carelessly clicked ok on when you started using Behance.
All my homies hate Adobe
Adobe staff has been reported to have "identity crisis" and "depression" because they have to develop Firefly AI. There was a leaked Slack conversation, it was in the news. The CEO wouldn't say stuff like this of course. But not everything is hunky-dory at Adobe
thats why i pirate all adobe softwares
26:40 Completely agree with this point. Art *should* be appreciated holistically, encompassing not only its aesthetics and meaning but also acknowledging the effort behind its creation, its imperfections, its history, and the story it tells. The problem is you are talking to Gen Z and below who were born with smartphones and social media.
Today's artists don't learn on pen and paper. They learn on these garbage drawing apps that encourage tracing. They encourage pasting textures. They encourage downloading asset packs as crutches for skill. TikTok tutorials and digital art in general encourages stealing art from Pinterest and Instagram as your influences. The common entry to digital art is kids tracing kpop idol photos and drawing copyrighted characters that they technically cannot sell. They aren't drawing from their own life experience. They are simply applying transformative creativity. These are the same low level artists that make their "art style" drawing gangster versions of the Simpsons or Dragon Ball characters. These are the artists who think their artwork is "Gucci" designer level. @Sketchnificent is one of those delusional kids.
This lack of holistic creation and appreciation started way before AI.
Ackowledge the effort behind the creation for AI art too. In the past year it has evolved FAR PAST prompting. You've got visual inputs for pose, depth, style, you've got ways to train your own models, you've got to find out how to bypass the models limitations and you've got to fix the errors of the images you generate with inpainting.
It's not the same job, but you fail to understand the amount of effort good AI art needs.
@Dante02d12 You must be responding to the wrong comment because nowhere did I state anything about AI art. Feel free check my other comments I left addressing the many flat out wrong points of this video regarding AI art.
Digital art in general takes much less skill than traditional art. It does still take skill but technology provides so much assistance you can get by without foundational art knowledge.
@@nigel-uno So what we must naturally realize is that art is in no way about the medium or format it's made with or on. It's about what you're willing to say and communicate. It's about the reason why people should pay attention to what you're making and what you're saying through it. You must give people a reason to buy your painting as it should signify a way of thinking or a way of viewing the world. These are the experiences only artists can provide. The demand for them is never going away. Artists have simply lost sight of what it means to be an artist. It's way more than just painting or drawing or taking photos. There has simply been a demand for good looking images for commercial usage. That's not related to art though. As long as you have something impactful to say to people, you do not need to worry about AI. If you have nothing to say, you might need to be worried.
This is an insightful and lucid exploration of a critically important issue. I will do my best to spread it widely, and I hope others here will do the same. Well done, and thank you for taking the time and investing the effort and skill to create this documentary.
I can’t see this said enough but a lot of artists saying they are “using AI to help them exclusively as a tool to help them and that people shouldn’t be afraid of using AI as a tool” forgets or turns the blind eye to the fact that you have to accept the terms of agreement of the tool and in there you are giving rights of use of your art to train AI. So if you are using it to “learn” or only to “help you” is not you who are learning and is not you who are being helped.
i’ve been playing around with AI to see what application it has (I don’t like AI but i want to be informed) all ethical issues aside you can use it as a tool, color pallets in particular are useful, you could use it as reference in a limited capacity…but at the end of the day it doesn’t matter, it doesn’t matter what you do with it if it can get “good enough” with minimal input
We call these people useful idiots.
just use open source models. Literally problem fixed
*forgets or turns the blind eye to the fact that you have to accept the terms of agreement of the tool*
Unless of course they use locally ran open source models, that usually (AT LEAST IIRC) don't have the kind of stuff that paid closed source models and pay sites would have.
@@gondoravalon7540 Those open source models come with their own problems, which evidently we're not even allowed to fairly indirectly talk about based on the comments I've made that are deleted. But yes if the only thing we had to worry about was artists fucking around with open source models and training them on their own shit to see what the algorithms would spit out there would be no war right now.
Im currently completing my MA in creative practice research and this video is so relevant and timely. Excellently produced and so informative thank you. I predict a movement towards place-based practice again, rooted in our relationships either each other and the land, amplifying the process and what that means to us all in creative practice. It’s has always been and will always be the journey, not the destination, that gives us meaning and authenticity 🙏🏼
So beaitfully said.
Art will not die, but diluted people working for big corporations who insist on still calling themselves 'artists' will go away pretty quickly.
@@audiogus2651I think we should be careful demonising people identifying as, e.g., artists. Your concept of an artist might come from the journey someone endured to reach that skillset. The process gives meaning to the concept of “mastery” or “artist”. But for others, the ability to transform their imagination/ideas into a visual product, employing all the tools provided, may be considered “art”. We always strive for diversity of processes - so does using the variety of AI tools add to it? Even though we may perceive it as oversimplifying/non-creative/destructive?
I think it’s kinda unfortunate that we only look at the artists’ perspective on the matter, but don’t consider those who have been subject to social media’s influence from childhood onwards, such as indicating one’s uselessness compared to “masters in their craft”. AI wouldn’t have those features if there weren’t humans desiring it. It’s way more complex and multifaceted and can’t be pinned down to a unidimensional statement such as theft or copyright violations. At least that’s my humble opinion. Lots of love
Best video I have seen in this topic. Thanks for putting this together. From one artist to another let us come together. There is strength in numbers.
Probably the best video I've seen on the matter so far. Many others I think are too optimistic, and try and pull on this unsubstantiated idea that AI "cannot" replace artists, completely dismissing the fact that this market exists because there is a demand to replace creatives. I think that you contributed more to the world by offering existing solutions, and discussing solutions that are being architected. We definitely need federal policy, regulation, and enforcement on this field of AI, more so than many other industries that are facing upheaval. For the sake of humanity, our ethics and values of fairness and meritocracy, artists need to be protected. I think that you should continue to discuss and promote initiatives such as data poisoning, banning the use of artists' names in prompts, the metadata ability to protect style copyright, data base regulation, etc.
I too want future generations to aspire to be artists
For a start: don't put everything you create online, and don't put your stuff into "the cloud", no matter what any provider promises.
Be it images, documents or code - buy a decent hd and forget the cloud-nonsense for storage.
Feed a monster, it only will get stronger.
There was a time we had no computers/internet, but still could sell our stuff.
I just think that's pointless - other similar artists have, and will continue to, upload art, so denying yourself the chance at an audience just seems pointless.
@@unturned6066 but when showing to an audience you are doing it using another company, that you dont own, disks and memory are from them. You are putting your stuff into private property that you dont own, and when doing it you are accepting the rules of the owner of the house, and you are accepting what you are uploading there isnt entirely yours any more.
There come the paradox, you dont own the audiences, the company you are using does. Unless you pay for ads. So, there is no escape, jobs and art will soon become as meaningful as meaningless. You cant be freelance without first working for someone, these days.
I think at this point influencing your community in your area. Like where traditional is cherished.
totally pointless, even if 60% listened, 40% wouldnt and the ferris wheel wouldnt stop, the harm is already done, but fuck ai art its not the problem, we'll cry 10x more when this tech gets incorporated into military tech, like lets just stop here, everything at openai will get leaked cause altman is a greedy corpo not a human being anymore
terrible advice artists post everything online because the traction it might get will help them find new jobs later down the line
This is an issue for everyone now. If you have a phone and use it to take pictures, it is likely connected to the internet. There is no guarantee we can trust the tech corporations to keep our photos from being used to train AI. Invasion of privacy, identity theft, fraud, and misinformation pushed to everyone on a massive scale, all because these companies know art is valuable, but don't want to pay for it.
The innovation of AI is... more jpegs and more .m4v files. As if we didn't already have plenty. And now it just accelerates the abilities of bad actors.
They already have. There are articles discussing how they found private photos in the datasets which includes but is not limited to private medical photos, photos from dating apps, family photos with children, pictures of addresses with the street name visible, non-consensual leaked photos, revenge porn/abuse material, pictures of ISIS beheadings, CSAM, etc. Instagram & Facebook photos have also been scraped & trained on without knowledge or permission from their owners.
If you have a phone right now, and take pictures, and this phone was made after 2020, you already use photo Ai filters, trained by the same models, to retouch your pictures. Yes these models use your favorite photographer, artist, designer, and any other open source image in the internet.
i will never respect ai 'artists'
@@squirrelhallowino29This is something most people are ignorant of therefore just because it is used and it exploits the art of artists in the past, there is no moral justification for its use without compensating ALL artists whose images were used.
Now you know why they always want you storing your photos and other files in the cloud..
Thanks for this episode. These things needed to be said to protect the hard work of so many authentic artists.
Great video, as an art teacher and artist, I have dabbled with AI, but there really needs to be a way for artists to stop being exploited.
This is sad, if GenAI was used in music industry and you trained model on the whole discography of some artist to create more of their music you'd be sued in no time.
Thanks for shinging light on this topic!
it already is but its variations lawsuits would of the exact signature riffs signature Sound clips .. example ROCK BAND SPIRIT tried too Lawsuit Led Zeppelin of using certain sound riff and melodies of Spirit Taurus song - for the Famous Song Stairway To heaven , and UK Court claimed it was not the exact same signature riff or Melodies as Taurus .. and there so many rock artist that took riff melodies from other bands for one Metallica took some riffs david bowie .. speaking of the so called theft if you are using microsoft windows guess what , its a variation of Macintosh OS Macintosh GUI is a Variation of the ALTO Star early 1970s computer Microsoft DOS is a Variation of a Seattle Computers Version Qdos / 86-dos of a CP/M Operating system
There´s very few professions out there, stealing as much stuff as the music industry.
Literally *every* song on the radio sounds the same as the one before.
Suno AI (audio music gen) already exists and they have aggressive lookups if any of your lyrics are close to something existing. You're right about the music copyright being very tight. It needs to be much stronger, or even exist, for the art world. Style isn't something you can really copyright though so that's where all the artists will lose out. There's no way in hell you could copyright an artistic "style". If that were the case, any up and coming artist or fledgling painter would have been shut down by the big studios for even attempting fan art. We learn by copying...that's the art world man. It's been that way for millennia.
Yep yep yep! We've been through this shit many times before. Photography, then computers, Photoshop, etc etc. So sick of this 'real Artist' ego tripping bs. As if they're the only ones about to be out of work...UBI UBI UBI!
You shouldn’t use music copyright as a precedent worth aspiring to, it’s basically a grift for IP holders to sue artists who accidentally used the wrong 5 notes in order. Most musicians would change it to be more lenient, afaik.
*_"Promising on the surface, conniving and conspiring behind the scenes. This alerts most professionals in the creatives to exercise the utmost caution around certain programs or people who also use such tools."_*
Reminds me of those times I had this conversation with a colleague in the art school. his only response is a forewarning about what happens if the creatives become more recluse and decided to stop. Perhaps, art reverts to its most rudimentary stages.
Very good video and coverage on the topic!
Thank you very much for making this and making aware the masses of this issue.
This documentary is so well done! Thank you. I also really appreciated hearing artists perspectives on this, they had alot of great insight. Also thank you for the background on these apps, I didn't know about the datasets coming from a research project, sounds like highly suspect research considering what resulted from it. Probably to steal easier and more thoroughly. Thank for also for calling it what it is, which is something to replace artists and automate art.
the financial pressure on artists, especially digital and concept artists is going to be insane ... they will have to compete with AI generated in seconds. In this commercial world it was often the artists, that kept the soul in the final product.
you call that a competition?
One thing I’ve come to realize through the normalization of ai art generation, even in the company I work for and something most people don’t understand, is that the process of drawing, painting etc is the reason we create. It’s not all about the final product. Yes at the end of the day you hope you can make something close to your desired result, but it is the observation and awareness of your thoughts/feelings put into action through mark-making that gives purpose to your creation.
Maybe some people derive satisfaction from writing a prompt and seeing it visualized, but I personally cannot relate when I know how great it feels to struggle for years learning how to draw and finally seeing the fruits of my labor. Only to start again from the bottom each day as the peak in the distance grows higher 😅 but it’s worth it for those brief moments.
AI image generators are not for artists though, they are for consumers. Art as a hobby is not for everyone, but some of those people still have a want/desire for customized images. For them the final product is what matters. Before AI the only options were to learn a skill you have no interest in or pay for an expensive commission. Ai is meant to be a cheaper and faster alternative for those people.
@@OMGUKILLKENNY2 yeah I understand. And I know the day is coming when I will likely be replaced by ai or forced to comply with a process that involves generative ai in order to continue working in my field. It is a depressing thought for me and I only hope I can continue to do what I love, maybe I won’t make a living out of it but I cannot conceive of abandoning it.
@@rachelhandleyart If it is something you love doing then please keep doing it. Even though I support the advancement of AI I still respect what good artists are able to do and believe that everyone should have something they are passionate about just for themselves.
@@OMGUKILLKENNY2 yeah, we're seeing AI/automation take over lots of jobs etc. I just hope the mongrels who champion AI art, will remember to not cry when their own jobs, or the jobs of their children get phased out under automation in the future, as they were the useful idiots pushing this forward.
@rachelhandleyart I produce music because I like doing it. I know AI can do it better and faster. But why should I bother? I'll just carry on as before and have the same fun.
Artists took inspiration from other artists to learn and create "original" artwork. Ai doing the same, and it's freak'n beautiful :)
Humans and machines aren't the same.
Much gratitude for making this thoughtful and informative video. My copyrighted work was stolen 5 years ago. I was able to sue the companies using my work because I had REGISTERED my images with the US Copyright office. Yes, it takes time and money to do so, but no law firm will touch you if your images were not first registered with the copyright office…..unless you have a huge, recognizable brand already. Your video has simultaneously scared the !#@* out of me and also gives me hope because there will be new ways for artists to protect their work because AUTHENTIC work will become MORE valuable, once the sugar high wears off! Love the Nightshade concept because it could eventually really corrupt the system, which only seems fair to those who would steal images in the first place. Definitely a new subscriber here. Keep up the great work!
The stock agencies are lying about ethical AI models. They changed the terms of service last year.
BEFORE that, they were partnering with AI companies and trained models on works they had no right to.
AFTER they trained the models they changed the Terms of Service to include language that allows them to use contributors' images in AI models in the future.
Some agencies paid pennies per image used in training. Others paid nothing.
Most agencies do not allow to opt out of training.
There's no such thing as ethical or unethical models just as there's no ethical or unethical way to learn how to draw.
@@DemWaifus Ai is no human. Ai don't learn. Ai is copypaste mixer
@@sevcrycatthey don't copypaste tho
Its over for you, buddy boyos.
@DemWaifus do not compare the learning process of an artist as ethical or unethical, you know quite well the process in an artists journey is respectively their own. you're comparing that to people whom are using the models as not a reference, but a final product. as artists uses others work as references and not their final product and STILL gives credit to the referenced artist. WE are NOT the same. do not confuse the two. we don't steal from others then and don't try to justify it now.
I can't wait until the 'Best Actor' Oscar is given to the FX Department and mainstream media try to get an interview with them.
Journalists will be replaced as well.
As a veteran 3d artist, filmmaker, and actor, I have legitimate concerns about the future. I have dozens of works online, and over 100 3d models online.
Running at AI with pitchforks isn’t going to change anything. This is what we call ‘progress.’ There is no putting this genie back in the bottle. Remember thirty years ago? Some of you might not have been born yet-there was a massive uproar about Deluxe Paint, Digi-Paint, and then Photoshop. Traditional graphic designers and artist were in a tizzy. Look at society now. We have to adapt with progress, or we will become antiquated.
Do I think gen-AI is stealing? Yes and no. Am I worried my over 100 3d models will be used in training something that will steal my job? No. I’m simply learning all the new tools and trends as any digital artist should, and I’m trying to enjoy the process. I think if you’re an artist that has dozens of art samples online, you should see some form of compensation. If you have one or two pieces up, then you really should sit down and keep quiet.
I highly advise you all to take it in, learn all the new stuff, and try to enjoy life. If AI takes your job, find another job. That’s life. If you don’t ’keep up with the Jones’ and fall behind, then the onus is on you. AI will NEVER stop artists from creating. I actually think, certain traditional talented artists will leverage this AI movement to bring even more attention to their human-made creations.
Live theater will be much more popular in the next few hundred years. :)
Stay positive.
the problem is, AI isn't really a tool. It doesn't offer much if any real benefits to aid actual art, even as concept art, you'd be better off doing rough sketches for the most part since the poses are never quite as you imagine with AI.
AI was made to replace artists, not help them, and the same goes for 3d modelers. They don't want to help you, they want to replace you. Traditional artists weren't replaced by photoshop, photoshop was just a means to produce art digitally.
If AI don't steal, then it should be creating jobs instead of stealing them from artists.
You kinda answered it yourself when you said "If AI takes your job".
Thank you dearly for doing this video, one of the best I’ve seen about this Ai dilemma. As a self-taught artist I think it is important more than ever showing or creative process to the audience. I also have hopes that intelligent and ethical people will value more human artists!!❤
i rather paint ugly than using ai.
Real sigma
Same.
Also don't be so negative, the more you draw the better you'll get! Practice makes perfect.
that's how an artist would think, not a businessperson. The bottom line/profit matters more than the honor of how art is created.
@@MrSkullface well yes, thats capitalism. exploitation where eve it is posible.
@@oportium777 Before the modern era, many people lifted heavy stuff not because they want it but they had to, to earn a living wage. Now many people lift heavy stuff not because they had to but they want to, to keep themselves fit. You can still do what you like if even forklifts have replaced you. You don't need to be salty about it, the world doesn't owe you anything. It has nothing to do with capitalism
PS: if I could create my own AI to solve my problem, I would. I'm a programmer, my job is to solve things. And anything that would solve my problem for me is always a good thing. The world will never run out of things to solve anyway. So as a professional problem solver, I would gladly welcome automation so I can finally move on to the next problem
Stop calling them "AI artists" they are AI users; there's not a tiny fraction of artistry on them. Good video, cheers!
Stop calling those other folks "artists." They are paintbrush users.
Subjective... At worst, we would call them curators. But then many would consider curation an art in and of itself.
Prompt engineering is also considered an art and science by many.
"Art" has a lot of definitions, and you're trying to force yours on other people - without even clearly stating what your definition is.
I could give a definition, but I understand that it would be subjective and pointless. And I wouldn't try to make other people use it.
@@mattlove1actually start calling them "artist" because ai would literally be nothing without them.
His statement is accurate: Users, or prompt writers or disegners are all quite accurate.
Stop the cap.
@@isaacsmithjones there's no way around it, you cannot call anyone capable of typing a prompt an "artist", not even based on any subjective interpretation of the word "art".
"Prompt engineers" in the art world have always existed, and they are called "commissioners", not artist.
If you don't accept that, feel free to call restaurant customers "cooks" because they prompt the waiters what they want, and it magically appears on the table and tastes good.
@@saantonandre
If your definition of an artist is limited to just someone who uses a paintbrush, pencil, or markers. Than you're absolutely right. But alot of people are ok with generalising an artist as a skilled craftsman of any sort.
So if where you are drawing the line in the sand is based on some modicum of effort or skill, then know that there's more to prompt engineering than just typing text that any literate buffoon could type.
This video sums up the problem very well. thank you for this great work!
4:15 “looks like noise” so it’s actually starting from mathematical noise: purely random pixels.
That noise is just a starting point for the model’s algorithm, like a blank piece of paper to an artist, or a block of clay to a sculptor.
"you will assume most stuff is AI"
Something similar ppl used to say back when I was in highschool, something like "You will assume most stuff is photoshoped"
...and yes it turned out we do. What was the point here?
@@gavinjenkins899 just saying that the quote is quite similar
No one can stop AI, creative people can use it as a tool just like photoshop. The ones who are afraid of AI just follow the rules thought to them and follow a function similar to AI never straying the path imposed upon them.
I am no artist - but this is nothing less than disgusting ... I feel so sorry for all those people that spent so much time on their life just to be used as a commodity.
Support from people like yourself who have no direct investment means the world to me as an artist. We live in a very callous world where a lot of people turn a blind eye to issues that don't affect them personally.
@@Metal-Spark I'm not an artist either but have doubled and redoubled my support, both financially and in raising awareness of this issue. I love experiencing creative works and it disgusts me the way corporations have rapaciously plundered the worlds creative works and for what? Well money obviously but these tools contribute nothing to culture or any kind of new artistic direction. By their very nature they can't.
When I look at "AI art" all I feel is emptiness.
@@Metal-Spark hellbellies should support you with his wallet, not with empty words.
You literally use computers. What about all the people you use as a commodity? You can do everything on the world on a computer which put many people out of jobs over the last few decades.
@@Sammysapphira A fair point, except that AI is coming for your job too no matter what it is. People will have to agree to disagree about the status and position of cultural workers in society otherwise.
Steven Zapata always speaks so clearly and concisely; nice to see him sharing in this video too
I think this is the most comprehensive video analysis of the dangers and the pitfalls of generative AI in art...Bravo to all contributors..Also, i am off running to learn how to poison my images with Nighshade, that type of resistance to AI theft is brilliant! In the end, though, the trend I am noticing in real artists, are time-lapse videos of their skills in action, whereas fake artists cannot pull a single straight lline or circle with a pen or pencil...
Amazing video! I want this video to get more reach and actually be seen by those in power who should realize how such a massive "Art Heist" is happening right in front of us, and how they are doing almost nothing substantial about it. How could any AI model even scrape data unethically in the first place? It's literal theft. And then to sell their services for profit is the most unethical shiz one could do.
Thank you so much for all the time and attention you spent on talking about this in a way that’s understandable. I especially love that you approach this in a way that lacks all the anger, outrage, name-calling, et al. that I’ve seen in so much around the topic.
i feel so bad for those people that are so good at art it looks very close to reality. basically what is considered to be the modern "ai artstyle". i almost always assume what i see with that style is ai art unfortunately.
"We have to be VERY selective, in how we use it." Thats the best statement made in this video. This is the bridge between the visceral hatred for AI and the idea that this present an opportunity for expanding human thought and meaning.
A super thoughtful way of looking at it. As an artist I view AI as a tool. I hate the thought of replacing the human aspect, but to use AI for ideas is and should be just fine.
If generative art replaces human artists, I believe in the near and especially far future, we will miss out on many new artistic masters. I think its safe to assume most develop their skills while being able to monetize it, or for that goal. Without the incentive of being able to provide yourself a living, artists will not be able to dedicate as much time to learn and grow like today. That would be a shame. Let's fight the good fight for humanity ❤
I disagree. Today we still have master woodworkers making amazing things, even though the invention of machine mass production made the prospects of being a career woodworker next to impossible. We may not have as many master painters or drawers as people move to the other alternatives. But there will still be people who have a desire for expression and the urge to make something unique. Some will stick with traditional while at the same time I won't be surprise if some of the next generation of master artists are coders who alter image generating ai scripts to create one of a kind outcomes.
it is likely there will be less.@@OMGUKILLKENNY2
AI will soon ensure that we all have a lot of time on our hands. The arts will flourish.
Trust me, art nowadays is nothing compared to 600 years ago. People sell pictures that look like a toddler drew them for hundreds of thousands of dollars.
Thanks for this. I am not an artist - I am a technologist (please don't shoot me) BUT I do have a deep appreciation for art and the creative process and I have a daughter who is studying Illustration at University now and a family friend who is a painter. So I wonder if creators will begin to move away from posting their art online and transition to a different engagement model? Remember art galleries? With video calling they could now connect directly with their potential clients and show their art; admittedly not as good an experience as seeing it in person, and more time-consuming, but perhaps we will see this?
At the end of the day, it is about respecting the creator and having some moral fibre.
i know artists always appreciate people who value and respect art, technologists or not, especially nowadays. i also see more and more artists and non-artists talking about giving up on internet as it is, when with more ai-garbage and deepfakes you can't tell anymore what is real, and social media are draining your soul and so on. so i hope you are right and we'll see more of this in the future (hopefully the near one)
Very few people can afford hand painted paintings, and an AI can just make a print and put that in a gallery if you're selling prints, which most people would need. I suppose you could sell prints in a bin underneath the actual painting to prove it's real... but then how would their friends know it was real when they hang it? If you can't afford the real thing personally just for you, which like 90% of people can't, then there's no distribution or display or sales method that solves that.
I suspect the medium will be videos over .pngs, etc actually. At least for 2D work. While 3D digital artists and videographers may choose to showcase how they created their work
they've basically forced artists to train their replacements. its the same as your job telling you to train someone that they will hire to do your job
Great job, the whole ai thing is concerning on several levels, but art is the saddest one. I know it has given me a few random moments of, "why am I bothering?" When I see this stuff on pinterest, I often leave the comment, 'looks like ai' because some people are probably not even thinking about it while they're viewing.
This video has done the best job articulating my same thoughts out of anything I’ve seen on CZcams. Thanks for putting together such a complete and well articulated discussion on the topic!❤
so they get away with the reason "for research purposes" ?
I use AI for refference sometimes. Nothing replaces the drawing process. I pour my soul into it. It's a reflection of me and all my experiences. The road it took to get here. The shortcuts I took, the times I was lost, the little discoveries that led to big changes. My art is my life put on paper
Thank you! An actual sound mind with a proper research behind it all. People deserve to know what all this mess is about, cause i get it is easy not to care but in the end, it affects everyone.
Just to put my take on it all as an artist - I am grateful to be in a frontline of those who are passionate about their craft. Love my fans and i wouldn't be where i am without dedicating my life to it all and their support. Truly happy to be one of many beacons of hope out there for those who are upcoming and curious about the landscape of art. Be it Music, Visuals, Cinematography, you name it. There are so many ways we can translate our emotions and stories with everyone and i would dread a future where nobody appreciates that and rather simply faces an empty void that hungrily stares back asking for more in exchange of a little bit of cash, only feeding the already ultra rich that came up with it.
Art is to be enjoyed, not consumed and thrown away or forgotten without a second thought.
Also, i have zero tolerance for AI and there is nothing that will ever change my stance on it as i do not even see myself ever using it to begin with. After the intense 6 years of seeing countless artists struggle against it, i have not seen a single positive thing come out of it, so i am very confident about my stance against that excuse of tech and i will gladly fight it till it either disappears as fast as it was brought on surface in a first place, or at least be illegalized. Because we've seen what happened with the likes of NFTs and it is not a coincidence they both were made for one purpose "quick cash, no effort". Seeing how easy it is to rebrand and start a new scam in modern times is just further reason to be careful about what company we should really give so much power to. It all lies in the users in the end, if nobody used ai, the company is bankrupt under one day ( which honestly it should be regardless )
and the only reason this time it is taking so long to get rid of it compared to NFTs, is because it successfully disguises itself as somehow "useful", but reality is, it will slip. In fact it already did many times and i guess it takes a huge irreversible slip to make people realize it isn't here to stay, but only to screw up the last remaining good side of humanity we have.
I think it goes to show how important art really is when it goes all the way back to cave paintings. Nobody asked anyone to do it, there was no monetary gain, no reason, other than expressing life in the best way we can for others to be impacted by.
Take care and keep heads up, you are so valuable u got no idea! Never doubt yourself, never bend down to this. Your worth always resonates longer than a 10 second generated gunk.
Stay safe!
You can protest all you want, but you're never going to "get rid of" AI art. That's just delusional.
But what really prompted me to reply to you, is that I checked your channel, and found out you're making music - using alot of technology. No "real instruments" were used, and no "real musicians" who spent decades honing their playing skills were involved. Your music is just a bunch of synthetic stuff, edited in a computer.
How is this a moral high ground compared to someone using AI as part of their art creation process?
Thank you for shining light to this topic. So interesting what is happening with collecting the whole internet - imagine the music industry fighting for their rights if every song ever made was put into an AI-product by some company. Artists simply never had a strong lobby.
Copyright doesn't protect artists, it protects record companies' profits.
I'm incredibly gratefull for the creators of Nightshade and Glaze. I do not have the knowledge to create such tools, but these people who do, and decide to make it free for artists to use... these people are angels. They are non-profit but I would willingly make a donation and support any brand that decided to keep funding them.
As a musical artist, I understand your fascination and your well-justified concerns. I do believe we can find a way to keep AI in the process and use it to enhance our personal visions, but we also need laws to protect our original work. Adobe Firefly seems to be making some effort in this direction, but I have no idea of its relative value.
Paint on the canvas will never get old, like clothes on ones body.
There is already people who paint over printed AI generated images and pass them as their "original" art.
@@RaydenLGX I have big doubts that these AI replications in oil look masterful, fake is always a fake. But yeah ai consiquences are everywhere in art nowadays.
There already ai that can create textured art to printvon 3d printer😢 to pas as original art.
Too late, they're 3D printing paint onto canvas now so it looks like real brush strokes. Nobody can tell if the "painting" on the canvass was actually hand painted or not. This is a Kobayashi Maru situation, human art is officially dead.
Fake is fake, chillout.
By 3 methods we may learn wisdom: First, by reflection, which is noblest; Second, by imitation, which is easiest; and third by experience, which is the bitterest. Confucius
Thank you for your good work.
This conversation was so valuable to me. AI generated art has put me in such a depressed state of mind. I see some hope in the situation with some of the efforts toward ethical use of AI and in the influencers who are trying to keep authentic art alive for young people.
As a very new digital artist, I don't feel my stakes are as high as someone firmly established in the 'professional' artist world. Having said that, I am grateful that you have taken the time to release this video, and I plan to share it with my albeit-limited social circle. In my humble opinion, the fiece pushback by AI providers comes down to money. Doesn't it always come down to money and profit? Find a way to make AI companies feel an economic pinch, and you will probably reduce the use of stolen or copyrighted material. This might be the only way, initially, to crack down on the perpetrators. Unfortunately, our society has also become one that craves and seeks out 'instant gratification.' This, in my opinion, is as much or more of a problem and takes individual diligence to control.
Yeah, getting new ideas with it could be tricky though. It works through an optimization algorithm, meaning if you type “pink elephant”, it will generate something that has the highest probability to be a pink elephant. The highest probability means the most commonly encountered in the data. So, by definition, it will strive for the most average result.
Gen AI by it's very nature cannot generate new ideas. It tries to get around this limitation by introducing stochasism, or randomness. Randomness however is not intentionality. Whatever deviations it makes from the most expected results aren't the result of a conscious decision or anything resembling intentionality.
This single feature is what has given AI it's mystique. We've known for 60 years that if a chatbot gives a reasonably human seeming response people will "imagine" a consciousness behind it. It's no different with art. If something is generated that seems plausibly human, then it is human nature to imagine a conscious, intentional will behind it even if we know that it's just a computer program with a fancy algorithm.
Buuuut we're getting into the history of machine learning and experiments run a long time ago. AI companies don't really give a shit about any of this they just want to hoover up as much money as they can by stealing from artists.
@@Fuertisimodos That's b/c AI can't use weed and other stimulants artists use to make 'conscious' decisions.
That's just selfish of you not to let the AI take a few hits.
@@Fuertisimodos I think the AI developers are trying to put the control of conscious decision making into the hands of the user. They now have many settings that can be adjusted to get the intended result. In a sense, it can be used with intentionality.
I hope anyone seeing my comment here in this thread will look for and read my larger argument in a top-level comment on this video of why what you're saying here misses the mark because of a lack of understanding of how generative AI actually works.
well, to play a devil's advocate, there is a saying "Standing on the shoulders of giants". All of those artists learned their art and craft observing and studying past masters.
Excellent video, thank you. So many good points that I felt, but never put in words explicitly... This is a perfect summary... I wish people ditched the "consumerism" in any form..... I love browsing art on Pinterest for inspiration, and I did use genAI in past few months to get non-copyrighted "cat photos" (a bit random, I know) or exciting composition ideas, but I would never like what comes straight out of the genAI - it all looks very unfinished, incorrect, something that might be a good starting point, but not a final product. You made this point in the video as well - and I think that is very important. I wish we did not get "rid of genAI", but used it only for inspiration....
Thank you for this video.
One point that wasn't discussed is that these image generators are not only used to create "art", they're also used to create explicit images of real people against their consent - used as tools to harass and blackmail people... That has happened to some people, some of them being artists, who have voiced their concerns about this technology.
Yes, I was focusing on the style mimicry, but actual impersonation and copying the likeness of people is a huge problem too. Some of the generated illustrations demonstrates this in a way (Henry Cavill, Keanu Reeves, Hugh Jackman)
Imagine now what kind of things can be used in court houses...now what? will we need "experts" to clarify if a video is real or fake? I can´t scream this louder, this is beyond a socio-economic consequence or even about art, this tool question the limit of the existential? Are we going to take this road to the total virtual world with AI, robots... which ironically pretend to offer "human experiences" just to keep us away of LIVING the real life in the real world , with people, communicating face to face???? ....
So was Photoshop.
OMG, will you balme knifes on murder now?
Honestly, I know so much about the things that you acknowledged in this video considering I was writing an Article to explain many things regarding this topic. But I could not have done it better.
Thank You so much for this video.
You know, I'm not an Artist or anything, but I truly do respect them and their hard work. When I see this unjust treatment for them in the name of "Technology & Development", and me pursuing the Creativity myself, it depresses me. But knowing that there are people who are still fighting against those oppressors, it gives me hope.
*Thanks Again!*
And I don't think damage control would work against AI models. Hardly any Artist would voluntarily opt in to have AI train on their work because that would not only make their own future hard, it would also make it harder for the industry and its people. Keep in mind that AI only needs to use an image once, then it stores its data and pattern in storage devices in a different form. And since the data has been converted into a different form, they use it as an excuse to say the data has been transformed and thus, it is a "derivative work." And there are also chances that many would give in for the money that these greedy Companies would offer to have their work used to train their AI. Highly unlikely will they be able to train their AI model on few images and it's not even possible for them to pay the amount to the total number of artists and their works to train their AI. And also, images that have no information of their origin, considering that the use of those images in AI models would harm the individuals, they should not be allowed to use it however they want.
Thank you so much for that video. It covers many important isuues about AI art in great depth. I am a digital artist and like many of my artist friends, I was paralyzed for many moths when I saw what AI can do. One good thing that it has done to me is to have a deep introspection about my art practice. Indecided to be less focussed on the final output but treasure the creative process. There are many benefits to the human mind while creating art.
The way forward for artist in the age of AI is backwards. The second we traded paint for pixels pandora's box was opened. It's time to pick the brushes, the paint, the pens, the pencils, the paper back up. That's something AI can never do at least until they build painting robots.
Thanks for fighting against AI. After the Artstation betrayal and everything that followed since I have been on a constant depression; I keep struggling to find motivation, to improve, to try... I am told 'do it for you' but I cannot, I cannot find the strength to just go into a cave and paint for myself, I always wanted to cheer and inspire people, make people smile and yes, also hear nice things from people. I always expressed myself better through art; if I liked someone or something I'd make fanart of them, if I had a funny idea I'd try to draw it or manually make an edit... and now I feel that whenever Im making something, if I post it anywhere its not only gonna be stolen but also used to destroy my livelihood (I am an illustrator and concept artist).
I wish i could give you a hug or something cuz i feel you but maybe you are the person now to have to get inspired, I am not psychiatrist or anything like that but somehow my journey in art was pretty hard on me mentally, first burnouts, envy and now AI right they are not the gratest mindset for a creative person with low selfworth. 2022 was the year i stopped drawing for quite some time, somehow in 2023 i created few characters that i am super bounded with, my own tiny little universe with goofy story. These characters still live in my head and paper only with maybe very few sketches i did somewhere on my ipad. I am also musican and i really assosiate the music with my characters, the entire vibe it hits the feel of where and when they live. So now im spending my live on checking these things on the list of what i wanna achieve, there is animation in one of them, animation that will take me ages and stuff to finish, i might be even the most like outdated human ever but i have so much determination to finish this project. Just seeing the storyboards, analyzing all the frame by frames, acting out the characters to see how would they react in certain situation, im compiling entire story on the cork board like a detective, inspired by sims2, goofy movie like what is that combination. It's so much fun to me now, even tho this all is happening in the world and we are literally getting scrambled by this stupid technology it's devastating cuz it makes world more fake and ugly, so i will create my own world in a way to get away from what is happening around. Im still like struggling with the AI but now when its work rolated. but we are living in really dark place atm so lets light a candle in there.
I know what i said is such a nothing burger but who knows what can inspire people again. Like there are people who make furnitures like carpenters and they still get people to order something from them sometimes, like literally most humans have furniture but some of that furniture could be made by a carpenter and the rest by some factory. well the factory desk i bought some time ago it kinda broke so i had to take my carpenter desk back again, and it was solid. Stuff that are hand made might just feel better. Like what am i saying i hope whatever that was helped at least in like 1,23% or sth like there is more than internet in art
Wait ArtStation is promoting AI generated images now?!
After ArtStation showed it's true face, i made the decision to not even bother with it again. I currently search for sites that only host human art like Artgram.
What artstation betrayal? Did any of you read the terms of service? Artstation, Deviantart, and most other art hosting websites OWN YOUR WORK.
@@miriadesNot only promoting, they are selling prints!
as an artist myself ive been on this mental state where if i get to create i then just relaize ai exists and my brain just "nah stop wasting hours crating stuff, ai can do it in seocnds and better" i wish art was still seen as years ago and artists were actually appreciated as they should be
So you'll never climb a mountain because using a helicopter you'll do it faster and with less effort?
@@gabrielegagliardi3956
If you're trying to climb the mountain as a hurdle, you use the helicopter.
Art is not a hurdle. It's not about pumping out a consumer safe product. It is about learning, and growing. You wouldn't use a helicopter to climb the mountain, if you're climbing a mountain for the sake of climbing a mountain. Being an artist is about improving your skills. A.I generation is about spinning a roulette wheel until it gives you something.
That's why we don't use cars in the Olympics. Oh, also, it's stealing.
typical imposter syndrome, with ai you have infinity references, jesus use it to make what you love
Just use AI and you will find its limitations and with that you will find what you can do to make the world a little better. No?
I love AI generated art, because it separates the wheat from the shaffs.
Either you have the desire and urge to express yourself, and create art for the sake of enjoying the process, or you have the desire to generate fame, prestige and wealth.
If you only desire to create wealth, I guess AI art might destroy that dream.
The people who are left are true artists. They don't paint or play music because they want to make it big, they do it because they WANT TO CREATE THEIR ART!
Stop caring about what people think about your art.
Stop caring about wether people will like it. Stop caring about wether it's better or worse than AI art by some stupid metric. That is not what art is about, art is about self expression.
Once you create something that moves you and means something to you, what does it matter that AI art exists?
You do not make AI art, you make YOUR art. People cry while Painting or playing, and you say "AI is stopping me from pursuing art" no, your lack of passion is stopping you, that's it.
You have nothing to express, or else you would be doing so, undeterred by whatever someone/something else is doing. This is about you. Your art is about you.
The heist is only noticed now by artists, but it was the same for taxi drivers. A very large fee must be payed for a taxi to operate (at least in Australia, where I'm from). But Uber was able to bend the rules and profit from anyone acting as a taxi. I dont know what it takes, whether its a surfeit of lawyers, or bribing politicians, but the principle is simple: if you have enough cash, you can do whatever you want. Laws only apply to the lower an middle class.
That was an excellent and comprehensive essay that I’m sharing widely - thank you.
I've been a photographer for 20 years. What I'd like to ask everyone else in the community is: how many of you have Spotify playlists? Did anyone *really* care before a combination of tech and corporations into *our* domain? Most visual artists didn't care about musicians being exploited for the last [insert the right amount of decades here]. The people using gen AI won't care when they're using your creations for a pittance either. We now have to figure out how to adapt to the market, because Pandora opened the box. Nothing goes back in. We're all cobblers now and the Nike factory is next door.
Increase your prices.
I agree, we won't be losing any artists(because people will always want to see things made by people) and the people that actually want high end art, will have to pay higher because its a luxury now.
I cared and continue to buy music but yeah f-all no-one else seemed to care. Thinking it will somehow work out.
For the record, musicians are speaking out against generative AI too
I'm visual artist and I'm not using spotify for that reason, its a personal choice and each personal choice matters.
Except you can't let companies manifest destiny their way into every aspects of your life. Their goal = growing profits, your goal = live a meaningful life. See the discrepancy? As an arist you didn't have a choice to adapt or not. They MADE you adapt. That's why it's important to fight back politically. This isn't about personal choice because it's a systemic problem. If we let companies do whatever then they'll monetize air and plaster advertisements in the sky. Then what? You'll keep on saying "Life always sucked. Make your own oxygen and don't look up"?