Well, I officially sent Van some money for an RV-8 empennage and wings, wish me luck all! This video was one of the many many things that pushed me over the edge, so to speak.
I love this channel. Firstly I appreciate the no BS cost of ownership videos. Gets to the point with no filler content. I would love it if you could chat to some owners about their experience. Discuss unexpected expenses, and why they chose that aircraft
Love these videos, I'm not even a pilot but i always have half an eye on getting my PPL. It's funny how there are lots of vids on youtube about whether you should or shouldn't get a ppl, but this series are actually better than all of them from that perspective. It's only when you start looking at an overview of the practicalities of different planes, it really gets your brain ticking about what it would really be like to get into the world of private flying.
You should know that I do not own a plane nor do I plan on ever owning one but I came across your channel and have binge watched all of your videos. I appreciate you laying out the numbers, keeping them short and direct, and sprinkling in just enough humor to give me a chuckle. This is how all you tube videos should be. Please create a playlist for nice cars...
Your videos are very informative! If you happened to make videos on the RV-10, the Glasair Sportsman, and maybe the Glasair III, that would be great! Keep up the good work.
Love your videos and just went through the whole back catalog. I haven't flown in years but this is definitely a bad influence... now I'm thinking about getting my BFR updated (or, more likely, re-learning a ton I've forgotten). It would be a totally different video but I'd love to hear more about the kitbuild process! I've wanted to build a Vans kit for a few decades now.
I'm starting my journey to build the Vans RV-9A soon after falling in love with the performance of it after the demo flight. I'm going to pick up my empennage kit soon, and I can't wait to start building it. I wish you luck building your RV14, and happy building!
Probably the cheapest to operate. But also the slowest and has very low useful load. But considering the crazy avgas prices, anything Rotax-powered is probably gaining appeal quickly. But, if you must - put the 915iS into it! And 30gallon fuel tanks, instead of the stock 20gallons.
@@suzukirider9030 bit hard there, the 20g fuel tank is behind the pilot and pax between cabin and bags, 30g will have to be in the wings. And if you build elsa then no 915iS.... however, i do want a 915 really bad in mine right now lol!
I’ve been following your videos for a little bit now (which are amazing), and I’ve been meaning to wonder how the RV-14A build is going. My uncle has built four RV’s, so I’m a big Vans fan (and also congratulations on the RV-3), and I’m curious to see how that project is coming along.
You should consider making videos on your build. Im sure with your style they will be great. I want to build a rans s-21 outbound myself! I'm coming up on my ppl checkride. Thanks for the great videos!
Because Europe's definition of Ultralight includes some very nice, innovative, and efficient production aircraft! The U.S.'s category of "experimental" got so popular largely because you're stuck with either underpowered LSA or overpriced and often archaic standard category.
@@_Stark Why 14 gph? RV-10 uses an Lycoming IO-540, right? A fuel-injected Skylane I flew burned 10 gph at full-throttle at 9'500 ft, doing about 140 kt (leaned for max economy, but doing 14 gph would gained me maybe 2-3kt). I imagine the cleaner RV-10 would do ~170 kt with the engine producing the same power and having the same fuel consumption?
@@suzukirider9030 I run ROP vs LOP. Plenty of 10 guys running LOP around the 10 gph mark. Most RV's (Mine included) run hot. Mine runs particularly hot because I have higher compressions and a RamAir system so I manage the engine much like a turbo. I think last XC I paid attention to flow and speed I was 13.4 @ 168 true.
One of my hopes for the future is to buy and build an RV-8 and get a private pilot licence and happily go flying around the UK and maybe even Europe. Would love to see this sort of thing done for the other Vans aircraft as well, as you said they are the most popular kit plane company and so for a lot of people, their products are some of the things that people look at when thinking of getting into flying.
If you're in Europe - many Ultralights available and certified there which outperform any of the Vans 2-seaters. In the U.S. - kinda have to go Experimental to get a cost-efficient aircraft.
Soooo… I’m asking this a few days early (OSHKOSH!), but I’m dying to know if you’re thinking of ditching the RV-14 and starting fresh with the RV-15. Kinda have to wait for the big reveal on the details they’ve been hiding. (And I didn’t know until now you were building a plane-way cool!)
This is the one I bought for myself after all. I do think its the best deal for what I'm looking for at least. I think there may be interest in the best deals in various prices ranges and types. I'm going to post a video later today about a few planes that cost less than 50k and are fun to fly. I hope to do more on different themes at different price points in the future.
Please do the RV-4 for all of us wannabe micro dogfighter pilots at some point. Or even the F1 rocket; gotta love that 6 banger in a tiny tandem frame!
How do you find out what these costs are? And where are they based on? I tried looking around your channel and website but I couldn’t find any sources.
Hi, I should add a section about that on my website for sure. Here's a cut as paste of when I've been asked this in the past. The information in my videos is based on an average of all the data I am able to collect. About me I've been around aviation a long time. I'm an active member of 2 local flying clubs. I'm a member of the major flying associations and a couple of less major ones. I'm also an active member of most of the online pilot/owners forums. I'm a kit builder, currently working on an Vans project and fairly involved in the home build community now as well. It's not hard for me to poll groups of owners. I also know many pilots personally. Many who have owned several different aircraft. For the most part people are more than happy to talk about their planes. Usually all the responses I get on owners costs are very close to each other which gives me confidence in their accuracy. Once in a while I get outliers and I always follow up on those to find out why their numbers are different and they're usually a good reason. Some planes I can't find owners and that's when old fashioned research comes in. There's lots online if you're willing to read (I am). I'm not afraid to call my insurance company and ask for quotes either. I've been actively or passively shopping for airplanes for as long as I can remember. So I pretty well have been doing all this work anyway for a long time. I know some of it can be really hard to find online especially for those who are new and aren't involved much yet and don't know people in aviation. That's why I started the channel. I also don't mind drawing airplanes
Yes, the speed per fuel burn is pretty amazing there. Glassair III is another. I myself am on the tall side and the RV14 wouldn’t require cutting a whole in the canopy to get it closed over my head 😀
It doesn't and it depends entirely on where you live. The size and weights of all the kits are on the Vans websites. It all comes from Aurora, Oregon. Between 5k - 10k to USA or Canada for the whole thing.
I love your videos. You claimed insurance is $1100. Is that liability, hull, which value? I own a RV-10 and love that plane. I pay $350 for liability and $2000 for hull. It would be great if you can explain a bit more in detail. Thanks.
This is a cool video but the numbers are still under what is really going to cost. If a builder chooses QB options, pays someone to paint the plane ($20K) and hires a shop to wire their panel they will go over $200K easy.
Legitimate question from someone with little aviation background but loves watching these videos for some reason. If you can really build one of these RV-14s for an average profit of $100k why are there not more people doing it? I'm sure a skilled mechanic with the right shop set up could knock this out in 6 months, thats a $200k a year gig. Is there something I'm missing?
That's a fair question. 2 main reasons this doesn't happen often. Some people do build to sell, but more because they enjoy building than for profit. First, timing. This plane sells for more than it costs to build because its new and there aren't many completed ones available. The same was the case for the RV-10 but has since slid back to be more inline. Older kit planes are cheaper to buy than build. That's the usual flow. Since this RV-14 video came out, the cost to build has increased with inflation, but release values haven't really moved. Second, you can't build it in 6 months. Wait times for delivery of kits, engines, propellers, avionics, and interiors range from 3 to 18 months. If you decided to build an RV14 today and it was your top priority I would estimate the fastest you could get off the ground would be 2 years. I guess you could order like 5 of everything at the same time. Now your looking at selling RV-14s starting in 2025 and will unload the last by 2028 or 29 maybe. You're really running a risk depending on that profit to be there. Which it almost certainly won't. Last thing I'll say, is that people say you can build an RV-14 in 1000 hours. You can't. I would say 1500 is possible. 2000 is likely. Thats minus all the time you spend on the forums, ordering parts, asking questions to vans. so on and so on. Even if you could score 100k per plane, you're looking at $50/hour profit. That's pretty good for sure. But not great and not worth the risk imo. Since I'm this far down the rabbit hole, I'll add this, If you wanted to get into this sort of business, Build Assist, is a better angle. Offering build assists is completely legal. You get paid to build the planes and your customers pay for all the kits engines and everything else and you don't have to sell it at the end. Probably do a lot better than 50/hour too.
@@CompleteWalkaround Really appreciate the thorough reply. I'm a home builder/developer so I am always fascinated by perceived holes in economic markets but this all makes perfect sense. Long lead times have plagued our industry horribly so I can only imagine what its like getting dozens of specialized parts that might only be produced by some obscure manufacturer.
Hi, You don't need certifications to build an experimental homebuild airplane. Rules for inspection vary from place to place. In USA you require an FAA airworthiness inspection at the end of the build. In Canada you require a pre-Cover inspection before you cover the plane to the point were parts can no longer be inspection, and another inspection at the end of the build.
So, uh, anyone mechanically inclined looking for a financially inclined partner? lol I'd end up with the prop inside the cockpit somehow. Sounds like such an amazing project to do with a friend. A bit like Flight Chops did.
I am very seriously considering an RV-14A build and then selling it shortly after completion to fund the build of another RV-14A. This way the profit I make can fund the plane that I keep. I am retired so I can work on it full time, thus completing it fast. I just know it'll be hard to separate from the plane once I finish.
Always, *ALWAYS,* (always) opt for the Conventional Gear. ▪ The extra Knots are free. ▪ You can go everywhere a Trike can go and more. ▪ Landing is easy-peasy. If you drove (power on) your aircraft to the Flare, it is time to (finally) ease away the power and fly your Aircraft to a Landing. Just continue to ease the Stick back from the flare to bleed off your airspeed and three point the wheels - a perfect landing is stalling the Wings as all three touch. Yes I have done that, it is butter smooth. Keep the wings level and use the Rudder for refinements. Visibility. Your eyes just slide along the cowling with the tail down (my father was an Instructor) Taxiing isn't bad at all, just be sure to move your head as you look on the right. If Pilots can land a shot--up F4-U Corsair on a tiny patch of Carrier then 1000 feet of eight lanes IS easy-peasy.
Tail wheel people always talking about how if you do all this stuff it's just as easy as a tricycle gear. Tricycle wheel is easier and safer to take off and land period. And if you're talking RVs they're worth more money when you sell them.
@@tmjerra3163 Many people feel the way you do but Taildragger Pilots acquire some handy skills. Really. I'm grateful to have learned on a (converted) 172. I won't try to change your mind but I was shooting Landings as a Student and sharing the Pattern until I made way for a Trike that now, could no longer blame me for the fact that he couldn't put his aircraft down. Why? He had plenty of reasons on the Radio. He even (for some reason) gave a reason for going elsewhere once he stopped trying there. I was watching from the Tie Downs and I felt bad for his passenger.
Takeoff and landing in a tailwheel a/c is a bit more challenging and a neat skill to have, but there's also a higher loss rate because of ground loops and noseovers. This means the t/w version would be more expensive to insure than the nosewheel version.
@@dieselyeti (Nice Cobra) This is a good topic for discussion and I don't want to dominate it but while I don't have deltas for you (My father would be the man to ask, having done the Taildragger Conversion but the paperwork went with the aircraft (sold) and my father has passed away). Nose Jobs are usually done to the low and slows while it's the high performance crowd that pays the higher premiums. There is DEFINITELY someone more qualified to address the insurance question but woe is the Pilot whose insurer decides to raise Rates just for questions. (FYI for anyone who cares) I didn't explain why the Trike Pilot couldn't Land : The main runway was longer and had better approaches but had a crosswind that day. I was practicing crosswind landings. It was going very well, I may have had (just) one go-around and at least 5 landings. The wind was variable speed, gusting to 20 or more Knots, at about 10 O'clock making the other, shorter runway have a 1 O''Clock wind and I wanted to shoot some there as well until I had company in the Pattern. Once I became just a spectator, the Trike Aircraft made at least 5 (more) attempts while having both Runways, the Pattern, the ENTIRE Airport to himself. That Pilot was licensed, with a Trike and an unhappy Passenger (clear view of him as I watched from the tiedowns), I was still a Student in a (converted) Conventional Gear. Both Aircraft were high wing Cessnas, his was newer. I'm a good stick but by no means better than any good pilot. This song ain't about me, *this song is about a licensed Pilot who couldn't execute the most important task a Pilot has. Trike Pilots SHOULD NOT let their landing gear replace flying the aircraft to a Landing* - That was a pet peeve of my father, an Instructor. Perhaps that is why I have returned to reply. My father didnt take on new Pilots, he took Licensed Pilots that wanted to advance. My father (instructor) would make me slow-flight the airplane often, nose slightly high, on the edge of a wing stall. That was practice for landing. How the aircraft feels, how it responds. (Be sure to do a few Stalls first, with an instructor next to you if it has been a while) Anyone can do that in their aircraft, regardless of type, regardless of Carriage. Landing is the most important thing we do.
@@arcanondrum6543 Gusting 20 knots and he had to go-around a few times? Cut the guy some slack, will ya? Shaming people for go-arounds doesn't make us better or safer pilots. I'm a tailwheel pilot myself and I agree they are easier to land once you get the hang of it. But man, set the machismo aside, or you'll turn more people away from general aviation -- that's not good for any of us. And while I'm on the subject, who in their right mind endorses a student pilot to solo when the winds are gusting 20 knots?!
So the takeaway from this channel is that, even with the very cheapest planes you still need a very, very decent income to even think about flying and plane ownership
@@bbgun061 That ship has already sailed for me. Right when COVID started I applied for a ab initio pilot training program in Germany which, for obvious reasons didn't work out. I have two freinds who did end up with a atpl just months after COVID started though. Both of them aren't flying to this day and have to work odd jobs to try to pay back their loans because at least here in Europe there isn't really any shortage of "junior" pilots to speak of. Quite the contrary actually (as far as I am told).
Bubble cockpit alone is a reason to skip this plane...plus its a kit. Few can successfully and safely build such a plane. When done its a two seater, slow and flys low.
@@speedomars Hot yes, for the interior when at rest but there are easy solutions for that. A little altitude and some proper venting takes away the "hot". Damage. I've not heard of much of that but I'm not in the circles now.
Well, I officially sent Van some money for an RV-8 empennage and wings, wish me luck all! This video was one of the many many things that pushed me over the edge, so to speak.
Congratulations!
@@CompleteWalkaround Thank you, I was between the RV and the L-39. 😜
How is the build going 2 years later?
I love this channel. Firstly I appreciate the no BS cost of ownership videos. Gets to the point with no filler content. I would love it if you could chat to some owners about their experience. Discuss unexpected expenses, and why they chose that aircraft
Good suggestions, thanks and thanks for watching!
@@CompleteWalkaround I own an RV-8 and his costs are reasonable.
You should create some videos on the build process of the RV-14. It is a very cool airplane!
EDIT: I meant RV not RC
What's RC-14?
@@samborlon Oops typo, thank you for pointing it out.
I’d watch that!
Going to start sharing some RV-14 build on instagram.
instagram.com/completewalkaround/?hl=en
Love these videos, I'm not even a pilot but i always have half an eye on getting my PPL.
It's funny how there are lots of vids on youtube about whether you should or shouldn't get a ppl, but this series are actually better than all of them from that perspective. It's only when you start looking at an overview of the practicalities of different planes, it really gets your brain ticking about what it would really be like to get into the world of private flying.
Love the channel! Hope the RV-10 breakdown comes soon! :)
You should know that I do not own a plane nor do I plan on ever owning one but I came across your channel and have binge watched all of your videos. I appreciate you laying out the numbers, keeping them short and direct, and sprinkling in just enough humor to give me a chuckle. This is how all you tube videos should be. Please create a playlist for nice cars...
So refreshing that you are presenting the facts in this concise fashion! Not dragging it out to just about 10 min with bullshit, thanks!
Your videos are very informative! If you happened to make videos on the RV-10, the Glasair Sportsman, and maybe the Glasair III, that would be great! Keep up the good work.
Love your videos and just went through the whole back catalog. I haven't flown in years but this is definitely a bad influence... now I'm thinking about getting my BFR updated (or, more likely, re-learning a ton I've forgotten).
It would be a totally different video but I'd love to hear more about the kitbuild process! I've wanted to build a Vans kit for a few decades now.
Do it!
Thanks for all of these videos! Love them! Can you do one for a Cessna P210 please?
I feel like you would do an excellent job breaking down the Van's lineup for us so it's not just a bunch of numbers
I just discovered your channel: instant sub!
Could you do a video on the Piper Cub or the Antonov An-2?
Great video
I'm starting my journey to build the Vans RV-9A soon after falling in love with the performance of it after the demo flight. I'm going to pick up my empennage kit soon, and I can't wait to start building it. I wish you luck building your RV14, and happy building!
The RV 9 is even more efficient. Super plane and pretty cheap to build! Good luck!
love this channel!could make a video for RV 10?
I love these videos. could you do one on the sonex
Wow your videos are great keep them coming! What kind of animation video editing software do you use?
Thanks for the Metric units.
Love this video series. Could you add the 4 place Bearhawk and Wittman Tailwind to your list?
Thanks! I've got bearhawk, Now I have Tailwind as well
Very good that you got information in kg, km/h
I'd love to see an RV-12is video! Love the channel and the Vans aircraft lineup
Probably the cheapest to operate. But also the slowest and has very low useful load. But considering the crazy avgas prices, anything Rotax-powered is probably gaining appeal quickly.
But, if you must - put the 915iS into it! And 30gallon fuel tanks, instead of the stock 20gallons.
@@suzukirider9030 bit hard there, the 20g fuel tank is behind the pilot and pax between cabin and bags, 30g will have to be in the wings. And if you build elsa then no 915iS.... however, i do want a 915 really bad in mine right now lol!
@@Rv12_pilot Why no 915iS for elsa?
Thanks for Si-Values))
Love to see your RV-14 Even if you are not finished.
Just binge watched pretty much all your vids 🤣. Can you do an RV10 in the future, ooh and maybe a cessna 337 as well?
That's a double Yes. Welcome
I’ve been following your videos for a little bit now (which are amazing), and I’ve been meaning to wonder how the RV-14A build is going. My uncle has built four RV’s, so I’m a big Vans fan (and also congratulations on the RV-3), and I’m curious to see how that project is coming along.
Thanks. I sold the 14 project at about 50% completion.
Please do the Piper Aztec!
Anthother well done video 👍. How about some helicopter representation?
Love the videos. Can you do a pc-12
Thanks, I can do that
Thanks for jumping in the experimental market. Can you do an RV-10?
Yup, Can do. I hope to do all the RVs and other experimental as well. Sling TSi and Kitfox S7 were covered in earlier videos. Thanks for watching.
You should consider making videos on your build. Im sure with your style they will be great. I want to build a rans s-21 outbound myself! I'm coming up on my ppl checkride. Thanks for the great videos!
This plane is incredible performance-wise. Wow, but here in Europe these are very rare and not known much
Hopefully more Europeans buy them. :) I don't know much about aviation, but I know that these would boost the general aviation economy in Europe.
Well, he did say that the Shipping added a lot to the cost. Perhaps you or someone will step up with the obvious solution for that.
@@arcanondrum6543 I don't know, unless the plane could be flown across a few island airports across the Atlantic. :) Lol...
Because Europe's definition of Ultralight includes some very nice, innovative, and efficient production aircraft!
The U.S.'s category of "experimental" got so popular largely because you're stuck with either underpowered LSA or overpriced and often archaic standard category.
Would love if you did this for the RV-10 as well
Going to be very similar except insurance is a bit higher (4 seats) and you burn more fuel (Avg around 14 gph for me).
@@_Stark Why 14 gph? RV-10 uses an Lycoming IO-540, right? A fuel-injected Skylane I flew burned 10 gph at full-throttle at 9'500 ft, doing about 140 kt (leaned for max economy, but doing 14 gph would gained me maybe 2-3kt). I imagine the cleaner RV-10 would do ~170 kt with the engine producing the same power and having the same fuel consumption?
@@suzukirider9030 I run ROP vs LOP. Plenty of 10 guys running LOP around the 10 gph mark. Most RV's (Mine included) run hot. Mine runs particularly hot because I have higher compressions and a RamAir system so I manage the engine much like a turbo. I think last XC I paid attention to flow and speed I was 13.4 @ 168 true.
@@_Stark But why do you run ROP? Isn't LOP supposed to have the CHT cooler? Is it from not having even enough distribution of fuel among cylinders?
@@suzukirider9030 Essentially my injectors aren't tuned for it. There are a number of ROP vs LOP video out there, it's a debatable subject for sure.
Any chance you can do the Cirrus VisionJet? Interested to see the cost of a "personal" jet
One of my hopes for the future is to buy and build an RV-8 and get a private pilot licence and happily go flying around the UK and maybe even Europe.
Would love to see this sort of thing done for the other Vans aircraft as well, as you said they are the most popular kit plane company and so for a lot of people, their products are some of the things that people look at when thinking of getting into flying.
If you're in Europe - many Ultralights available and certified there which outperform any of the Vans 2-seaters.
In the U.S. - kinda have to go Experimental to get a cost-efficient aircraft.
Soooo… I’m asking this a few days early (OSHKOSH!), but I’m dying to know if you’re thinking of ditching the RV-14 and starting fresh with the RV-15. Kinda have to wait for the big reveal on the details they’ve been hiding.
(And I didn’t know until now you were building a plane-way cool!)
Love your videos. Can you do a Civilian Aero L-39
3x the cost of the fuel plus hangar fees
You should make one on the RV-8
Please make update videos on the build.
Man I love these videos even though I'm not much into ga
That's encouraging, thanks for watching 😄
I’m building an RV-14A as well. Wings arrive in early May.
Nice, good luck with the build
Tomair Cobra Arrow and Jabiru? I'm binge watching your videos...
Could you make one about the AMD Zodiac / Zenith CH 6xx series aircrafts too, please? :)
hope your build is still going well!
amazing channel! Could you review A36, A33 ownership pricings review?
I sure can, thanks for watching
@@CompleteWalkaround Thanks for making good content :)
Can you do a Boeing Stearman next? Or another biplane?
Could you do a Seabear L-65? Thanks!
I'd love to see the rv14 you're building
can you do the mosquito XET from Composite-FX?
please do a bonanza A36
interesting to compare with bristell r23
Would love to the costs on a C208!
I’d love to see a piaggio video
I was wondering what you thought the best deal on a light plane was and this video pretty much tells us
This is the one I bought for myself after all. I do think its the best deal for what I'm looking for at least.
I think there may be interest in the best deals in various prices ranges and types. I'm going to post a video later today about a few planes that cost less than 50k and are fun to fly. I hope to do more on different themes at different price points in the future.
Do the zenith 601xl!
Could you do RV-10 too plz?
Jabiru in one of the next?
2:05 I think you actually meant to say "You can enjoy operating it for similar performance to a certified plane with half the cost".
Any chance of an RV-8 Version?
Can you do a rv 7 cost
What about a Decathlon? Or an RV-4?
Make some infographics on building process
Ah ya, maybe when it's done I will. Would be anticlimactic now to just end part way through building
Please do the RV-4 for all of us wannabe micro dogfighter pilots at some point. Or even the F1 rocket; gotta love that 6 banger in a tiny tandem frame!
Did you finished building it yet?
Great videos! Can we see the 414A Cessna costs?? 🙏🏻🙏🏻
We can at some point for sure. Thanks for watching
@@CompleteWalkaround willing to! Thanks
Y’know, as much as the performance sounds great… I can’t say I’m a fan of the looks.
How do you find out what these costs are? And where are they based on? I tried looking around your channel and website but I couldn’t find any sources.
Hi, I should add a section about that on my website for sure. Here's a cut as paste of when I've been asked this in the past.
The information in my videos is based on an average of all the data I am able to collect.
About me
I've been around aviation a long time. I'm an active member of 2 local flying clubs. I'm a member of the major flying associations and a couple of less major ones. I'm also an active member of most of the online pilot/owners forums. I'm a kit builder, currently working on an Vans project and fairly involved in the home build community now as well.
It's not hard for me to poll groups of owners. I also know many pilots personally. Many who have owned several different aircraft. For the most part people are more than happy to talk about their planes. Usually all the responses I get on owners costs are very close to each other which gives me confidence in their accuracy. Once in a while I get outliers and I always follow up on those to find out why their numbers are different and they're usually a good reason. Some planes I can't find owners and that's when old fashioned research comes in. There's lots online if you're willing to read (I am). I'm not afraid to call my insurance company and ask for quotes either.
I've been actively or passively shopping for airplanes for as long as I can remember. So I pretty well have been doing all this work anyway for a long time. I know some of it can be really hard to find online especially for those who are new and aren't involved much yet and don't know people in aviation. That's why I started the channel. I also don't mind drawing airplanes
Do “Cost to own a Boeing 737 BBJ”
do check Lancair Legacy
Yes, the speed per fuel burn is pretty amazing there. Glassair III is another. I myself am on the tall side and the RV14 wouldn’t require cutting a whole in the canopy to get it closed over my head 😀
@@CompleteWalkaround How Tall is "on the tall side"? Taller than 6' 2" ?
@@arcanondrum6543 Yes, A bit more than that
Wait so your saying this is a do it all plane and its affordable!? Well i know what im buying finally
Do you use software to convert pictures to a what looks like a drawing or do you create your own drawings ?
Hi, I draw everything myself by hand on my iPad with a stylus
@@CompleteWalkaround wow, that’s insane
does the cost to build INCLUDE THE SHIPPING COSTS? if not, what would I expect to pay on top of the regular price?
It doesn't and it depends entirely on where you live. The size and weights of all the kits are on the Vans websites. It all comes from Aurora, Oregon. Between 5k - 10k to USA or Canada for the whole thing.
@@CompleteWalkaround thanks!
I love your videos. You claimed insurance is $1100. Is that liability, hull, which value? I own a RV-10 and love that plane. I pay $350 for liability and $2000 for hull. It would be great if you can explain a bit more in detail. Thanks.
Hi, That is for liability and hull. It is also just an average. The range is fairly large depending on your experience and hull value. Thanks
The video description say „twin engine aircraft“. This is not a twin engine aircraft.
Do one over the RV10! :D I'm looking to either build/buy one for a family plane.
Wish I knew why you decided not to build it.
The RV14 had to have been a kit plane. Otherwise, it would be too powerful
This is a cool video but the numbers are still under what is really going to cost. If a builder chooses QB options, pays someone to paint the plane ($20K) and hires a shop to wire their panel they will go over $200K easy.
Im doing those things minus the quickbuild and not coming close to that high mark. I have to say the numbers are good. I just finished paying them.
I wish they made a six seater
Legitimate question from someone with little aviation background but loves watching these videos for some reason. If you can really build one of these RV-14s for an average profit of $100k why are there not more people doing it? I'm sure a skilled mechanic with the right shop set up could knock this out in 6 months, thats a $200k a year gig. Is there something I'm missing?
That's a fair question. 2 main reasons this doesn't happen often. Some people do build to sell, but more because they enjoy building than for profit.
First, timing. This plane sells for more than it costs to build because its new and there aren't many completed ones available. The same was the case for the RV-10 but has since slid back to be more inline. Older kit planes are cheaper to buy than build. That's the usual flow. Since this RV-14 video came out, the cost to build has increased with inflation, but release values haven't really moved.
Second, you can't build it in 6 months. Wait times for delivery of kits, engines, propellers, avionics, and interiors range from 3 to 18 months. If you decided to build an RV14 today and it was your top priority I would estimate the fastest you could get off the ground would be 2 years.
I guess you could order like 5 of everything at the same time. Now your looking at selling RV-14s starting in 2025 and will unload the last by 2028 or 29 maybe. You're really running a risk depending on that profit to be there. Which it almost certainly won't.
Last thing I'll say, is that people say you can build an RV-14 in 1000 hours. You can't. I would say 1500 is possible. 2000 is likely. Thats minus all the time you spend on the forums, ordering parts, asking questions to vans. so on and so on. Even if you could score 100k per plane, you're looking at $50/hour profit. That's pretty good for sure. But not great and not worth the risk imo.
Since I'm this far down the rabbit hole, I'll add this, If you wanted to get into this sort of business, Build Assist, is a better angle. Offering build assists is completely legal. You get paid to build the planes and your customers pay for all the kits engines and everything else and you don't have to sell it at the end. Probably do a lot better than 50/hour too.
@@CompleteWalkaround Really appreciate the thorough reply. I'm a home builder/developer so I am always fascinated by perceived holes in economic markets but this all makes perfect sense. Long lead times have plagued our industry horribly so I can only imagine what its like getting dozens of specialized parts that might only be produced by some obscure manufacturer.
do you have to have any cirtifications to build a kit plane or do you just need someone certified in airframe powerplant mechanics to look it over?
Hi, You don't need certifications to build an experimental homebuild airplane. Rules for inspection vary from place to place. In USA you require an FAA airworthiness inspection at the end of the build. In Canada you require a pre-Cover inspection before you cover the plane to the point were parts can no longer be inspection, and another inspection at the end of the build.
Have you checked out the Risen? Inconvenient to get one, but 200 knots from the 915 is insane (230 knots at altitude)
Looks like the top end is 183kt acc to their site.
Do the Cessna 210 please such a cool plane!
It's on the list. Thanks
How would the cost vary in a RV10?
So, uh, anyone mechanically inclined looking for a financially inclined partner? lol I'd end up with the prop inside the cockpit somehow.
Sounds like such an amazing project to do with a friend. A bit like Flight Chops did.
Yes, a lot like that. I talked to Steve early in my build. He was part of the inspiration to choosing this plane.
I am very seriously considering an RV-14A build and then selling it shortly after completion to fund the build of another RV-14A. This way the profit I make can fund the plane that I keep. I am retired so I can work on it full time, thus completing it fast. I just know it'll be hard to separate from the plane once I finish.
I am pretty sure that 200K is reasonable once you include paint. Full IFR panel, Dual P-Mag engine and Paint alone will be $130K
Always, *ALWAYS,* (always) opt for the Conventional Gear. ▪ The extra Knots are free. ▪ You can go everywhere a Trike can go and more. ▪ Landing is easy-peasy. If you drove (power on) your aircraft to the Flare, it is time to (finally) ease away the power and fly your Aircraft to a Landing. Just continue to ease the Stick back from the flare to bleed off your airspeed and three point the wheels - a perfect landing is stalling the Wings as all three touch. Yes I have done that, it is butter smooth. Keep the wings level and use the Rudder for refinements.
Visibility. Your eyes just slide along the cowling with the tail down (my father was an Instructor) Taxiing isn't bad at all, just be sure to move your head as you look on the right. If Pilots can land a shot--up F4-U Corsair on a tiny patch of Carrier then 1000 feet of eight lanes IS easy-peasy.
Tail wheel people always talking about how if you do all this stuff it's just as easy as a tricycle gear. Tricycle wheel is easier and safer to take off and land period. And if you're talking RVs they're worth more money when you sell them.
@@tmjerra3163 Many people feel the way you do but Taildragger Pilots acquire some handy skills. Really. I'm grateful to have learned on a (converted) 172.
I won't try to change your mind but I was shooting Landings as a Student and sharing the Pattern until I made way for a Trike that now, could no longer blame me for the fact that he couldn't put his aircraft down. Why? He had plenty of reasons on the Radio. He even (for some reason) gave a reason for going elsewhere once he stopped trying there. I was watching from the Tie Downs and I felt bad for his passenger.
Takeoff and landing in a tailwheel a/c is a bit more challenging and a neat skill to have, but there's also a higher loss rate because of ground loops and noseovers. This means the t/w version would be more expensive to insure than the nosewheel version.
@@dieselyeti (Nice Cobra) This is a good topic for discussion and I don't want to dominate it but while I don't have deltas for you (My father would be the man to ask, having done the Taildragger Conversion but the paperwork went with the aircraft (sold) and my father has passed away). Nose Jobs are usually done to the low and slows while it's the high performance crowd that pays the higher premiums. There is DEFINITELY someone more qualified to address the insurance question but woe is the Pilot whose insurer decides to raise Rates just for questions.
(FYI for anyone who cares) I didn't explain why the Trike Pilot couldn't Land : The main runway was longer and had better approaches but had a crosswind that day. I was practicing crosswind landings. It was going very well, I may have had (just) one go-around and at least 5 landings. The wind was variable speed, gusting to 20 or more Knots, at about 10 O'clock making the other, shorter runway have a 1 O''Clock wind and I wanted to shoot some there as well until I had company in the Pattern. Once I became just a spectator, the Trike Aircraft made at least 5 (more) attempts while having both Runways, the Pattern, the ENTIRE Airport to himself. That Pilot was licensed, with a Trike and an unhappy Passenger (clear view of him as I watched from the tiedowns), I was still a Student in a (converted) Conventional Gear. Both Aircraft were high wing Cessnas, his was newer. I'm a good stick but by no means better than any good pilot. This song ain't about me, *this song is about a licensed Pilot who couldn't execute the most important task a Pilot has. Trike Pilots SHOULD NOT let their landing gear replace flying the aircraft to a Landing* - That was a pet peeve of my father, an Instructor. Perhaps that is why I have returned to reply. My father didnt take on new Pilots, he took Licensed Pilots that wanted to advance.
My father (instructor) would make me slow-flight the airplane often, nose slightly high, on the edge of a wing stall. That was practice for landing. How the aircraft feels, how it responds. (Be sure to do a few Stalls first, with an instructor next to you if it has been a while) Anyone can do that in their aircraft, regardless of type, regardless of Carriage. Landing is the most important thing we do.
@@arcanondrum6543 Gusting 20 knots and he had to go-around a few times? Cut the guy some slack, will ya? Shaming people for go-arounds doesn't make us better or safer pilots. I'm a tailwheel pilot myself and I agree they are easier to land once you get the hang of it. But man, set the machismo aside, or you'll turn more people away from general aviation -- that's not good for any of us.
And while I'm on the subject, who in their right mind endorses a student pilot to solo when the winds are gusting 20 knots?!
How about an electric plane?
So the takeaway from this channel is that, even with the very cheapest planes you still need a very, very decent income to even think about flying and plane ownership
Unfortunately, yes. However there is a pilot shortage right now so if you invest in training you can get paid a very, very decent income to fly!
@@bbgun061 That ship has already sailed for me. Right when COVID started I applied for a ab initio pilot training program in Germany which, for obvious reasons didn't work out. I have two freinds who did end up with a atpl just months after COVID started though.
Both of them aren't flying to this day and have to work odd jobs to try to pay back their loans because at least here in Europe there isn't really any shortage of "junior" pilots to speak of. Quite the contrary actually (as far as I am told).
Bubble cockpit alone is a reason to skip this plane...plus its a kit. Few can successfully and safely build such a plane. When done its a two seater, slow and flys low.
Why do you not like bubbles.
@@tmjerra3163 Hot. They can also be damaged pretty easily.
@@speedomars Yup, that's valid. Still seems fairly fast to me for the cost. But I see the canopy thing.
@@speedomars Hot yes, for the interior when at rest but there are easy solutions for that. A little altitude and some proper venting takes away the "hot". Damage. I've not heard of much of that but I'm not in the circles now.
@@arcanondrum6543 You have to get off the ground first. In Vegas that cockpit can fry an egg before you get a clearance to takeoff.
Would love to see your build.