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- Talk Heathen 03.32 for August 11, 2019 with Jamie Boone & David Warnock.
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"If you want to be a Christian, have someone read the bible to you.
If you want to be an atheist read it yourself."
The woman who made Matt stand up and walk off set
yeah, but for good reason.
she is insane.
@@ulipeterson6112 yeah she is crazy no doubt
Which episode was that?? Can imagine that was interesting to watch
@@adamcroft80 the newest episode on tae
@@adamcroft80 Sunday Sunday the 11th of
I like how she equates slavery to community service.
@David Anewman of course it is sweetie.
The least she could do is try to make it sound better 😂
She needs a demonstration using her back as the stress test. I would love to conduct the experiment.
Community service is slavery. Valerie is floundering because slavery has not been abolished, all of us have been turned into slaves to the industrial system of the world order. The fact that the fence is far enough so that we do not see it every day, does not mean that it is not there. We are all property of the people who OWN the governments.
@@philipgrobler7253 And the people who own the government that owns us are also owned by the people above them. Who in turn are owned by the aliens. Who are owned by the aliens' government. Which is owned by some other aliens. Who in turn are owned by the aliens above them. And so on. Amen.
good people can do good things
evil people can do evil things.
But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion
she is the perfect illustration of that steven weinberg quote.
I would say Valerie is a good example of that
Doug Casey Wait, there are better examples? Shit!
Bilal Seddar Hitchens?
@Bob Smith : But you DID dumb yourself down and got a lobotomy. You gave up and let a manmade, fictional book and manmade, fictional characters do your thinking for you.
And it is always laughable when religionuts think believing in a god equals having morals!🤦♂️😂
@Bob Smith :
"Hi, I'm Bob Smith, while I should say 'I don't know' when it comes to how life began, I will say 'god.' When it comes to one's conscience, I will say 'god' again. When it comes to morals, I will say 'god' once again. Basically, you start talking to me and, yep, the answer is always 'god.' I gave up logic and intelligence and surrendered to a fictional character."
See, Bob, after going to sunday school, vacation bible school and church and being only read the cherry-picked, feel-good parts of the bible, I did the ultimate no-no: I actually READ the WHOLE bible! I then started asking questions. My parents were called in for disciplinary measures.
And this was all at the ripe age of 10. I am 56 now and have never had anyone convince me any of that manmade fiction was real or useful. My parents kept denying it for years after; still convinced I believed in 'god.' HaHaHa
Valerie, hi, just a heads up since the hosts were a bit too held back...
You’re a bad person.
No matter how polite you are, no matter now much you pour sugar on it to mask the taste, you’re rationalizing slavery in 2019.
Have a nice day.
She is just dumb to accept the contradiction and understanding slavery is slavery and immoral regardless where it comes from.
@David Anewman and yet there was still slavery in the north....
David Anewman Thanks for stopping by to inject an intentionally deceptive statement. What we now call the Democratic Party did not found the kkk and you know this.
@David Anewman While you're technically correct that Republicans were anti-slavery during the Civil War. That's not something modern day Republicans rightly get to claim credit for. The parties switched platforms during the 60s and 70s, meaning modern conservative Republicans are descended from pro-slavery Democrats and modern liberal Democrats from anti-slavery Republicans. That's why you have so many baby boomers that switched part when they were younger.
I really wish Republicans would stop using that argument. They aren't fooling anyone with it except themselves.
@David Anewman Emphasis on 'little'. What were eventually the Democratic and Republican parties in the various states in the late 1800s and early 20th century were regionalized and not monolithic. While the southern Democratic party was in fact involved with the KKK and worked to undo Reconstruction's protections for the freed slaves, there were major realignments over the decades. After the Civil Rights Act, the '70s secured the shift that the forces that were Democrats in the South switched over rather fully in the national tier, and statewide flipped more slowly due to factors like preserving seniority power from their positions. Anyone who tries to claim seriously the Southern Strategy and larger realignments is so ahistorical there's no point in even trying to discuss things since there is foundational groundwork on that side to even begin to work in good faith forward.
The co-host on the left (our left) makes an entirely valid and fascinating point when he asks the caller why she hasn't read the entire Bible. She claims to have been a fully committed believer for a decade... quite long enough for her to have studied and read every word of what she claims is her god's instructions to her and to the human race. In her entire lifetime she has only read "most of it". This is incredible, but is also true of virtually all the so-called Christian 'believers' I have ever met. Like Valerie, I have only read most of the Bible and not all of it, but I have read far more than the vast majority of Christians and I have never considered it to be anything more than mythology, and fairly boring and uninteresting in many places. As a child I read stories from European mythology voraciously. I read Homer and the stories of the ancient Greeks, the Norse, and the various mythological traditions of the British Isles, and enjoyed them all. Only later in life, when I studied history and got interested in why people believe in religions, did I read much of the Christian Bible but I have never regarded stories about Yeshua ben Ioseph as being any more relevant to me than the stories of the great Hibernian/Caledonian hero Fionn.
Slavery is clearly endorsed and sanctioned in the OT, as is genocide, child murder, rape, and almost any vile and cruel practice you care to name. Anyone who takes their morality from this book of horrors has something seriously wrong with them.
And there are people who claim that god is responsible for objective morality WHILE THEY ARE CHERRY PICKING THE MORAL VALUES IN THE BIBLE
Well said you x
ThePunikaTV That becomes SUBJECTIVE MORALITY therefore.
I followed a similar path history (actually art history) and comparative religion. the mythology I likevreading was Hindi very colorful and imaginative. christian and jewish and the muslim off shoot were like snuff text with the obvious connections to the brutal misogynist culture of the bronze/Iron Age. I didn't find abrahamic religions to be uplifting or morally redeeming
Asking someone if they are "willing" to be a SLAVE is an oxymoron! Slavery doesn't take into consideration what a person's will is...they are owned as property regardless.
3:31 when she says hasn't read the whole bible, David's reaction was so funny...
Asking Valery why she did not read the whole love letter from her skydad?? That's obvious: christians who actually read the whole good book, usually are no christians anymore.
This is why Christians deliberately prevent non-Christians from reading the Old Testament. They want to brainwash you with the doctrines they make up, and expect that once you are converted, you will find all excuses to justify the ugly stuffs in the holy book.
@@waxberry4
What's so nice about the nt? Jesus promise of eternal fire and brimstone if you do not belief his bs? Even worse than the atrocities in the ot.
@@peteralleyman1945 They are careful to skip this part of course.
That's what made me Atheist.
I watched the Atheist Experience first, and she made me cringe beyond what I thought possible, honestly if she was sent back to the past and experience the quote on quote "Right Slavery" she would be singing a different tune.
Dark ages:
"Is there any volunteer here in the crowd who would like to become a slave, spending the rest of their life at the becking call of a wreched master without ever getting paid or thanked???"
Valerie: (raising her hand) "oh YES! ME ME ME. Pick me. I will do it. I always wanted to be owned and worked like an animal. And idle hands are the devil's work; and I don't deserve to have my independence; and besides, dignity is so over-rated. Pick me please!!!
Lmao
I live in PA. She has to be somewhere in the middle of the state lol
thinks the bible is the literal word of an omnipotent being yet hasn't read it, makes sense
John Pliskin lmfao THIS is a 5 star comment. One believing such nonsense would be compelled to take in that being's every single thought.
One, I agree I need to up my game. 2 I was being honest, but I have read quite a bit of it. Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus,Numbers, Deuteronomy,Joshua, Judges,Ruth, 1st Samuel, 2nd Samuel,1st Kings, 2nd King, 1st Chronicles, 2nd Chronicles, Ezra, Nehemiah,Job, Esther, Psalms, Proverbs, Song of Solomon, Hosea, Micah, Matthew, Mark, John, Acts, Romans, Hebrews, Jude, James, Revelation, Galatians, Ephesians, Philippians,Colossians, Ist and 2nd Corinthians, 1st, 2nd, and 3rd John.
To be fair.. have you tried reading it? A lot of it is so dreary, it's almost painful to read.
@Warstar I too want to know what "Ritual sodomy" is in reference to.
@@aditsu I don't care if it's a thousand pages of random numerals, if I truly believed (I don't) it was the one and only book authored by the creator and ruler of all reality, I would read every inch of it no matter how boring or painful. You're right though of course.
"I haven't watched the whole bible"
I'll give her this much, she's at least honest about that fact.
Also, I like that she's polite, or at least, tries not to interrupt people. That and the honesty are rare for the theists who call into these shows.
It saddens me of what religion can do to people.
@@redeemedone8553 What made you come up with that conclusion?
@@redeemedone8553 jesus was a jew
@@redeemedone8553 What are you talking about? I never said I agree with Jesus. I don't even believe he exist. All I said was, "It saddens me of what religion can do to people." due to what Valerie just said about slavery.
Very true, @180WOLF
It’s HORRIBLE 🤢🤢🤢🦠
Valerie is an example of a good person believing shitty things.
She’s a duplicitous bigot. What’s “good” about her?
I love (I dont) the fact I'm getting religious ads prior to watching atheistic/skeptic content on CZcams -_-
Valerie *okay slavery is bad always.*
also Valerie *owning people as property according to the Bible it's perfectly okay.*
Every logical and/or reasonable person *WTF is wrong with this lady?!*
Didn't God rescue the Jews from slavery in Egypt, I mean if it was okay why would God rescue them?
@@lawrenceasto1325 Yahweh wanted to have a dick measuring contest with an other group of gods, but he cheated. There is no evidence for the Exodus, at all, anywhere, except in the Old Testament. Which is strange considering the Egyptians kept very good records of what happens even if it was unflattering to be Egyptians.
@@lucifers.morningstar3805 hey now, stop making sense, thats not how this works!
@@lawrenceasto1325he also made them slaves & only freed them to rule over them.
Listening to Valerie trying to defend slavery in the Bible reminds of a famous quote:
'With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil - that takes religion.'
- Steven Weinberg
If it wasn't for Vals religious beliefs, I'm pretty sure she would never condone any type of slavery, inducing indentured servitude. Its a shame that she is unable to see just how immoral her argument really is, but thats what happens when ones argument is based on faith, instead of reason, logic and evidence.
Can't wait until she reenacts the slavery parts of the Bible to demonstrate it's the "right kind of slavery". Like, she should really lean into it.
I wouldn't understand why any Christian would condone Jewish people owning slaves or anybody else, it wouldn't be The Godly thing to do. Being God or the Bible never condone slavery, the Bible when talking about slavery it's only documenting how Jewish people treated their slaves.
@@tonyaratlaff7990 god certainly condones slavery, and rape, otherwise maybe the ten commandments might have something to say about them
Tonya Ratlaff go back to school
@@johnpliskin8759 All Krisjuns disagree with your inDERPretations, but lets say they didn't. Are morals relative and purely chemical processes of the brain?
@@tonyaratlaff7990 Except that it was far more than just "documented". It was part of the laws that were supposedly passed down by Yahweh to Moses. They were specific instructions.
Dave’s question about why Valerie hasn’t read all of her bible was incredible.
I read the whole bible at 18 years old. It's one of the reasons I've become an atheist.
This is the type of woman that uses the phrase, "...I have to ask my husband."
"Valerie claims that if one commits a crime, they can voluntarily offer their services?" Verse please!!!!! This is why Matt walked out, the bible clearly and unambiguously states human beings were bought and sold as property and slaves could be inherited. Of course, if one owned a Jew slave, they were be treated much better. This woman is infuriating, she doesn't know she is a walking contradiction. She didn't get to the crux of her research, that is what I wanted to hear as her research should be used as proof of her awkward claims.
The potential for biblical slavery to be in any way justifiable goes out the window when you get to the bit about the slave owner not being punished if they beat their slave and they don't immediately die as a result of the beating. If my boss was to do that, it would be felony assault, even though I chose to work for him and am free to quit whenever I choose. Not that slavery itself is equivalent to paid and voluntary employment but even if you want to interpret biblical slavery in the most kind and generous way possible, that bit makes it immoral.
And the same book, premotes the same type of slavery, during the old American state.
Isn't it horrible how Jewish people treated and owned slaves, I'm glad the Bible documents this so we can all do The Godly thing and never own slaves. I'm so glad that the Bible and God didn't condone slavery.
Tonya Ratlaff Jesus instructed for slaves to obey their master. There goes your theory.
Not to mention inheriting slaves/passing them on to your children and tricking them into slavery in perpetuity, and their children then becoming slaves by birth.
There’s also a section in the bible that states a slave must please their master in anyway the master wishes provided the master treats them well. This is seen by many as justification for keeping sex slaves
Valerie: says slavery is ok.
Also Valerie: some people on CZcams made som mean comments about me!!
I’m also going to have to add that there seems to be a lot of people who don’t understand what indentured servitude actually was/means. Because if she says she wouldn’t want to be a slave, she is actually saying she would also not want to be an indentured servant. The lines were very blurred, and more than not, indentured servants actually became slaves.
One of my favorite episodes. First time with this co-host. Love ‘im
Poor valerie. Smh. Maybe one day she will get her wish . This dummy
@hahagotcha!!!! yeah. Them also
A deliberately and willfully ignorant lady was called mean things in the you tube comments section? You don’t say!?
This lady was shown to not know anything about what the bible says about slavery, and yet agreed to be a slave according to what the Bible said. It was painful listening to someone pretend to understand something they clearly do not.
The most insidous thing about religion is that it can convince truly good people to accept and sometimes even participate in very immoral actions. More folks need to read the bible from cover to cover and judge it based on the entirety of it content and meaning. I think that alone would raise many doubts about the inspired words of god and the morality of it's teachings.
Wow .....so tell me then if it is seeming to convince good people to do bad then ...your bad then...by the way how are you defining mortality...
Morality is that which goes against the goal of wellbeing.
Christianity does not convince people to participate in immoral actions, people convince people to participate in immoral things. Like Hitler, Stalin and Mao!
@@timojazz6829 People use Christianty to justify their actions. Sometimes these actions are good, other times they're bad. Southern slave owners used the Bible to justify owning slaves and many Christians now use it to justify hating gay people. Some churches are more progressive than others but the problem with the Bible is that it can be interpreted to mean whatever you want it to mean, hence why we have so many denominations and Christian beliefs. Because of this the Bible can't be taken as a reliable pathway to truth.
@@03chrisv I agree, people use Christianity to justify their actions but you are incorrect to say many Christians use the Bible to justify hating gay people( Jesus never hated anyone) but he still preached The truth. Just because that truth does not fit with your world view or your circumstance does not negate it as The truth.
You say that the Bible can be interpreted to mean whatever you want it to mean; you yourself have interpreted the belief of some Christian's stance on homosexuality as hate. That's a double standard and your interpretation is completely incorrect. No Christian hates anyone but if you want interpret their genuine Bible belief as hate that's your choice albeit a fallacy!
Valerie said she did research and believes there are different types of slavery in the bible. No one pressed her and asked her what type of slavery she believes is mentioned in Exodus or pointed out that Exodus supports ownership of another human and is clearly not "indentured servitude"? It says non-Jewish slaves are literally property, can be beaten and if they do not die everything is cool.
At least she is doing research and has an open mind. You guys should recommend Richard Carrier's youtube lectures for people who are interested in doing research.
That seems like a mitigation that’s not written anywhere near the “how to treat a slave” directions.
An interpretation, if you will.
@@tqs7088
Nice made up. It's not what is written. It simply says you are not punished when you beat up your slave as long as he doesn't die within two days.
Apologists are just looking for apologies.
You forgot that God gives the slaveholder tips on how to trick a Hebrew slave in becoming his slave for life. Get that man a wife, and let’s get him some babies, and then when his period of slavery is over, he can go, but his family must stay...orrrrrrrr, he can be your slave for life, and he can be with his family.
That’s fucked up.
Wait a minute. She said she’s been a Christian for about ten years, and she said she was a nominal believer before that. I don’t think she understands what Christian means. If she was a believer, she was a Christian.
Maybe she was an agnostic, but didn't belong to any specific religion. Now she's a basic Christian.
Was the final line of the video intentionally left in, or...?
“And in answer to that...” *insert commercial CZcams ad as the video ends* 😂
I was a Christian for 10 y and the more I studied it and history the less I believed . In the end, I am back to agnosticism I started out with🤷🏻♀️people who believe , do so without logic or reason .
Studied it you mean read old testament then closed the book
Or searched a couple of mistook quotes then called it a day?
I wanna see this theology degree.
Yeah I actually have a degree in this subject . Now what ?
I still yet have to meet one fundamentalist Christian who knows wtf he is taking about when it comes to actual theology and ancient history , except for” muh Bible is da word of God”. Good luck with that
@@aqua76239
Yea the internet degree it's always legit. Lmfao.
10 years 10 min of mom calling you to go to church is my bet.
I never met a person who is what they say they are and they usually are more pathetic past the outer shell.
datuputi777 Typical Christian: I don’t judge, I let God be the judge then you judge anyway
You sound like a total dumbass . You know nothing about me and yet you assume that I don’t have a degree from actual college and that me going to church had something to do with my mother🙄. I went to church as an adult actually , not a kid , out of my own accord . Kindly fuck off along with your made up god. If anyone is pathetic its you, troll
Religion puts one in bondage and makes one a slave to their religion.
REPENT! BELIEVE ON THE SAVING GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST. ETERNAL LIFE IS ( IN) JESUS CHRIST. IT'S NOT (IN) RELIGION, WORKS, CHURCH, OR BEING A GOOD PERSON. ROMANS 6:23, 1 JOHN 5:20, 1 JOHN 5:11, ACTS 4:12, JOHN 14:6, 1 CORINTHIANS 15:1-4
Eric’s reaction priceless.
The AXP episode was both funny and sad. I wish someone would point out to this lady that her need to reference other humans for clarity on slavery is prima faci evidence that the "inerrant word of God" failed her
bokonon bokomaru Could you possibly tell me what the episode is called? I would really like to see this. Thank you.
@@braydenshanley7435 It was last week's episode.
GeneralZod99 Thank you
@@braydenshanley7435 You're welcome. While I admittedly and obviously didn't take the time to find the episode number, I figured I couldn't go wrong with telling you it was the most recent episode. :)
GeneralZod99 That’s fine
Just finished watching Valerie tell Matt she'd accept being his slave as per Exodus 21 and him telling her to head over to Talk Heathen and then saw the link to this vid in my recommendations feed. Had to come and watch - call it "Morbid Curiosity" if you will...
She acknowledges that there are different types of slavery in the bible and says she's fine with *two* of them. What's left unsaid is what she thinks of buying foreign slaves and passing them on to your children as inherited property or of the fact that if you give a wife to your slave, the wife (and any resulting children) doesn't/don't go free with the slave or the fact that if the slave wants to remain with his wife and child(ren) you can permanently mark him so he's now yours for life or that girls can be bought and sold as sex slaves - because then she would have to admit that these things are immoral - and, by extension, cast doubts on the "morality" of the two forms of slavery she's OK with.
She seems completely untroubled that the bible permits the owning of human beings and yet thinks that prostitutes, homosexuals and people who fornicate outside wedlock are morally wrong.
Much respect for being respectful and patient with Valarie. Matt can be a hot head at times.
Kazira S
Yea, but in this case he wasn’t hot headed enough.
A hot head ? really when dealing with a vile bitch like her !
The woman caller and her family is very polite and courteous ,she is always smiling and is never rude !
1:33 Eric is like "Deadmeat!"
I often say that no society starts in a perfect form. It always take adjustments, and sometimes the adjustments are drastic,like a bloody civil war. But a religion from a perfect God would not need adjustments or interpretations. It would be perfectly designed and easy understood. No religion has done this. Most large religions have huge disputes over interpretation.
I could use a slave. Where do I sign up?
Get into the market of people wanting to be slaves.
The bible has a walk through guide
I dont do birthdays : can you cook ?
@Paragon. Why would I cook? That's what the slave is for.
Love David! He can hug me anytime!
I think Valerie got turned on by Matt's suggestion, i.e the movie The Secretary... 😂😉
This lady is the nicest theist I’ve heard on this show 😂
Best Moment: Jamie's beautiful reaction to the Bible at 4:03 :)
I wish all atheists were as graceful, introspective, coherent, clear minded and untainted by emotional bias as the dude on the left. Unfortunately, we all have our issues and YT is such an easy way to unload our problems and frustrations onto other people - especially on channels that breed differing opinions.
Eric, love you bro, but this one goes to Dave ;) cheers Talk Heathen!!!
I wanted to hear her explain the other types of slavery, and how it was okay and/or moral. She kept getting cut off and wasn't able to speak hardly.
"From what I understand"
Conversation Over.
"And...in answer to that...." (VIDEO ENDS)
Picks up old bible and repeatedly smacks head with it...............these people blow my freakin mind.
did she call back? if so, can anyone point me to that video please?
Oh my goodenss I love these two guys! They are so sweet and patient with her. Also, my mouth dropped when I found out that SHE was the one who made matt leave lol! What a plot twist HAHA!
She sounds so calm and innocent talking about how she'd be a slave if god told her to \XD
Justifying slavery is never justifiable.
Valerie, I am remember me, she talked with Matt.
I personally believe that a requisite for becoming/claiming to be an adherent to any religion is the full reading of the doctrine and scriptures. Valerie admits to not having read the full text of the Bible, but also claims it as inspired scripture; how would she know since she hasn't read the whole thing? This is the results of a religion that is fundamentally based on ignorance; Don't question your pastor. Don't question the Lord. Don't question anything around you. Just mindlessly accept and believe what you are told and dress it up as 'having faith.'
Jo eric, I've changed my mind. You are cool 🤗
Hey, Eric! Did you rule out time travel yet?
I didn't realise that at any time a slave could just up and say I've had enough of this shit, I'm off, thanks Valerie.
A slave can't, which is why slavery is wrong and against the Bible.
Wow. The Bible says many things about slavery and it ain't indentured servitude either. Some is. Most isn't. Her ministers LIED TO HER. Flat out lied to her! Here Valery. Here is one verse, "Leviticus 25:44 44"'Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves.". Jesus told slaves to obey their masters 'for this is right. '
Really Valery?
Female Hebrews could be sold by their fathers and enslaved for life (Exodus 21:7-11).
Non-Hebrews, on the other hand, could (according to Leviticus 25:44) be subjected to slavery in exactly the way that it is usually understood. The slaves could be bought, sold and inherited when their owner died. This, by any standard, is race- or ethnicity-based, and Leviticus 25:44-46 explicitly allows slaves to be bought from foreign nations or foreigners living in Israel. It does say that simply kidnapping Hebrews to enslave them is a crime punishable by death (Deuteronomy 24:7), but no such prohibition exists regarding foreigners. War captives could be made slaves, assuming they had refused to make peace (this applied to women and children - men were simply killed), along with the seizure of all their property (Deuteronomy 20:10-15).
Hereditary slaves were born into slavery and there is no apparent way by which they could obtain their freedom.
Yup, slavery is great kids!
She watched a few Mike Winger videos. And from what we know of Mike Winger, he lies lies lies when it comes to biblical slavery and omits the verses that advocate chattel slavery...as do all christian apologists who do apologetics for a living.
The type of slavery that we consider moral is wage slavery, but it's not moral, it's nearly just as bad as unpaid slavery.
I could not call her sweet. Defending slavery in any shape or form is the opposite of sweet.
The idiocy is strong with this one
there is no idiot like the idiot who thinks the walls have ears am not trying to be mean but dont you think thats you if you really dont think people can be won then why try.
@@josueolivas6109 oof. Learn proper english. You're comment makes no sense...
This always gets me about Christians that haven’t read the Bible (or the other holy books). If you actually believed god, the creator of the whole universe wrote a book then how could you NOT read it cover to cover.
Despite her sounding like a nice person, it only stands to reason that she’s OK with other humans being enslaved.
Dave @ 4:04 lmao!!
Anyone who actually defend slavery is not a nice person or sweetheart.
Some of the more nasty comments on here about Valerie are not justified. She sounds a genuinely caring person, just a little nieve in her beliefs in my opinion. At least she is prepared to do some research and is willing to listen to our side of the debate rather than simply shout and argue a bigotted viewpoint like so many other theists.
Thank you Barry. I'm not really offended though, I know that it's hard to suss out anyone's character during a clip from a show.
I guys just put some extremely great points here. Nice and just positive.
From the perspective of a former believer, when I was zealous, I would die for my beliefs. Slavery for my beliefs would have been palatable.
In a way I was an indentured servant because I would do anything my church or other church members would ask to me.
Freedom is so good.
@@kennethd.9436 so why did you went from serving the church to serving the athiests dont you now serve a different cause if christ didnt bring you peace then i would argue if you ever had christ it seems perhaps like an oxymoron
She's severely brainwashed
This is shocking me to the quick. How can she not know that Bible mentions many types of slavery including sexual slaves as wives? I mean really...somebody get her a Strong's Concordance, like um, yesterday.
Sexual slavery, or being sold to be a ‘wife’, was common in the ancient world. Throughout the Old Testament, the taking of multiple wives is recorded many times. An Israelite father could sell his unmarried daughters into servitude, with the expectation or understanding that the master or his son could eventually marry her (as in Exodus 21:7-11.) It is understood by Jewish and Christian commentators that this referred to the sale of a daughter, who "is not arrived to the age of twelve years and a day, and this through poverty."
*The penalty if an Israelite engaged in sexual activity with an unredeemed female slave who was betrothed was that of scourging, with Jewish tradition seeing this as only referring to the slave (versus Deuteronomy **22:22**, where both parties were stoned, being free persons), as well as the man confessing his guilt and the priest making atonement for his sin.*
Women *captured* by Israelite armies could be adopted as ‘wives’, but first they had to have their heads shaved and undergo a period of mourning. (Deuteronomy 21:10-14) However, "If you are not pleased with her, then you must let her go where she pleases. You cannot in any case sell her; you must not take advantage of her, since you have already humiliated her."
"Alone tonight, just like the western star I'm sinking. The angels cursed me blind with straight and crooked thinking." ~Above and Beyond
The conversation on slavery went almost nowhere, and the video clip stopped before the prophecy question was answered, so this clip is not interesting.
Why'd you dump all your calls???
I have to add that Valerie seems genuine. I think that you can only know what you know, and she is going to grow from her experience with Talk Heathen and Atheist Experience. 🤗 good feels here
She made several comments on the AXP video. As I type this, she has yet to comment on this video... but I'm sure she's watched... and read...
Oh no, she actually called back?!?!
And while I was trying to think about slavery, I suddenly dropped an open packet of cupasoup.
About half fell out on my kitchen floor. Is that a sign from God ?
It would be so much less disgusting if apologists would wave slavery away under “God’s mysterious ways” or “we mere human don’t have the capacity to understand god’s will.” But to actually try to justify slavery to a modern audience? That’s insanity.
After listening to her I can say for certain Matt didn't rage quit because she outmaneuvered him intellectually. He rage quit because of her bullshit and the fact that so many people failed him in letting her on the air. He was probably on edge before starting the show.
I wish you would have let her talk about what she found.
Do people honestly believe that in biblical times others were given a choice as to what slavery they had to take part in ? Before you enslave the person did you allow them the chance to define the terms of their slavery?
Sla(Valery)
Valerie, first, sehr talked with Matt.
I wanna see matt here more often
slavery is wrong and immoral in any case in any way in any time.
@@cnault3244 okay, so you're saying that apologist really thought it was okay to OWN PEOPLE AS PROPERTY, so that they could be taught the word of God? Didn't he think that's a tiny, little bit too extreme!? Not to mention that they can just follow whatever their master says so that he doesn't kill them or mistreat them. It's frightening how much religion can twist someone's mind, Jesus Christ that's fucking nuts
Good episode, and any with David in it is fantastic to watch. However, I wish you guys could have fleshed out Valerie's cognitive dissonance about slavery. This really wasted my time.
I like Valerie. I really do. Nobody deserves death threats or any such thing.
Thank you.
Indentured servitude does not equal slavery. Please point that out every time a called brings it up. Also would someone please ask what historical document or any for of history they can point to to show that slavery in the bible was not as bad as slavery a thousand plus years later.
If you've ever wondered just how low christians could sink....HERE'S VALERIE!
Nice is not the same thing as good just like rude it's not the same thing as evil. This woman may be nice, but her endorsing slavery is evil as fuck. I love Eric I think he's a nice guy but he's needed to have called her out a little more firmly than what he did.
I. Do. Not. Endorse. Slavery.
It’s like saying biblical rape isn’t rape.
Don’t be surprised about Christians not having read the whole Bible. A majority of them haven’t. They only read what their preacher tells them to read on Sunday. And as far as Jehovah’s Witnesses? It’s the same thing because it’s 0% have come to my door knowing what’s in the Bible. I tell them something and they say where does it say that? Crazy
@Warstar i can see that
i wouldnt be surprised if i new more the bible than you considering you do not believe in god
Josue Olivas Doubtful. Judging from your comment which contained simple Language errors... people who can’t write, normally can’t read either.
@@KevinMphotography that"s all you did judge my comment meanwhile you now nothing about how i feel about slavery or other topics
Josue Olivas I didn’t judge, you I pointed out you’re lacking of proper English grammar. And by thinking I judged you, you admitted that you have a hard time comprehending sentences. Though I agree, I don’t know your stance on rape and slavery, however, If you believe in the Bible you are for both of those.
If Valerie were my neighbor I'd burn my own hous down just to move.
Severely religious people feel that God, as the creator, is outside moral judgement, and they don't question his actions. Most of these people are afraid to question God's actions, if they did, they would be atheists, because the Bible is an obvious fantasy created by mortal humans with too much time on their hands.
Perhaps this is unnecessary but I feel the need to defend my comment on not reading the Bible in its entirety, I am a very honest, literal person, and no I have not read all 66 books of the bible yet. I have read several books and study the bible daily.
Read the 3 pages and then threw it away? Really? Did this lady claim that she threw her Bible away? So sad.
So incest is ok in the bible cause its not the same incest of our world so it aint immoral?
Wha diagnosis is she speaking of?
Matt Dilihunty gave up speaking with her because she was warped by her religion and had the craziest thoughts about her beliefs. Wow! She said she would willingly be a slave and that the bible was correct and moral. She thought the slavery system was more just than the prison system.