Im glad GN does this type of stuff. You see LTT making criticism now and then, but overall LTT sucks manufacture dick because he knows that he needs sponsors. GN would probably do better if they were shills like LTT, but then the actual honesty and unbiased content would disappear and i'd unsub like i did for LTT.
ac3ofspades878 You're probably subbed to LTT because CZcams is shit. Seriously. I unsubbed from a channel and I swear CZcams secretly subscribed me back, and I didn't realize for a few days until I saw my sub box.
ac3ofspades878 You realize you wrote this comment on a video featuring the bloatware on an expensive gaming laptop, right? And LTT certainly doesn't shy away from criticing manufacturers just because they did a silly video about an RGB chair. If you don't want to watch LTT, that's fair enough. Just don't spew bullshit.
+Epsilon In my experience with CZcams lately, who you're subscribed to, including notifications (the little bell) has very little impact on what gets recommended to you. My recommended stuff seems to be based more on the types of videos I've been watching lately (not necessarily who) than who I'm subscribed to. And I say recommended because I don't always get notifications for channels I'm subscribed to, despite the fact that I've clicked that stupid bell (which I shouldn't have to do if I'm subscribed to them).
Still don't understand why every brand is still making software to control basic functions that Windows has done good enough for years already... I don't need a program to control battery, brightness, WIFI, and basic drivers anymore. The god damn Toshiba we have at work use almost 1GB of RAM with all their "suite" software, and it barely works.. just uninstalling it gives the laptop 30min extra on the battery.
MSI dragon center is perfect to tune how to overclock and stuff a fast way. In one application you can change Turbo , sport , confort , ECO mode and the fans speed. This is the only application that I can find usefull .
Lenovo's "updated" control center is garbage. I went and installed the W8 one, actually nice. Things like express charge, conservation mode, fan dust removal, etc. which is useful. They also integrated the mouse pad software stuff into the mouse properties window, under a touch pad tab. It actually has gestures that I want, like being able to do 2 finger rotation (why is this still not a thing by default in W10?). There is a lot of other bloatware I guess, but I always check what bloatware I want, back up those apps, then wipe and reinstall W10 Pro (usually system comes with home here, for some reason I can't get no OS installed systems).
The software I do like that Alienware has is the sound center, because I have use my dad's old QC15 (with swapped ear pads) and it is too bass heavy for my liking (I prefer more highs, less mids and in-between bass) Also the lighting effect software, so I can turn it off.
indeed, but checking for needed drivers first can be good, especially if you dont have a second system to download Network drivers in case the newly set-up one doesnt connect on its own.
How though without repurchasing Windows? I don't see a sticker on my laptop with the Windows key, and they didn't provide it (or install media) with the documentation.
T0x!c DoohNUT Often they get paid by the software maker if it isn't their own. I cannot imagine it is much, though. Or it wouldn't offset negative publicity when they fuck up a product.
Yeah but I think the point of my complaint is not the money they get from the software companies.When I know certain companies stuff their systems with software to the point it affects performance out of the box I'm going to avoid those products.
You missed an important point here. They actually BUNDLE THE FREAKING NORTON TERMS OF SERVICE WITH THE MICROSOFT WINDOWS TERMS. There is one button for both items. You literally can not use your computer without accepting Norton's retartedly overblown terms and tracking on your PC. I have bought exactly one MSI laptop, and I will not buy another one if this is not fixed when mine has lived its life.
BRNKoINSANITY you mean to say you did not do a clean install when you first unboxed it? That my friend is your dumb mistake. But you still do raise an interesting consumer rights issue so +1 there.
"Why? Because they have agreements with companies" This doesn't explain why MSi (and other companies) build, in house, bloatware like their managers (battery calibration, dragon center, help desk, Remind manager, sizing option)... they SPENT money developing these... WHY?
Kevo05sGaming to track everything you do. Or it is msi rebranded software thats installed so the actual owner of the software can keep track of everything you do, because if it's software from the laptop manufacturer it surely is there because it is essential and can't be uninstalled without things breaking. Most people have no clue so they leave it on there, thats a goldmine to dataminers and advertising companies.
if they dont make their own propriety software to hook you up,whats different than any other chinese brand laptop? they are pulling the apple tactic....
I hope MSI listens. My bro bought a decent msi gaming laptop, it's a freakin beatifully designed and packs a punch. But yeah, I think the biggest issues he had with it was the bloatware and the killer wireless network card causing huuuuuuuuuge lag spikes. Why do they use killer wireless "gamer" bs, why not the intel wireless cards that actually work reliably. *facepalm!*
They are not only damaging their reputation, but also the reputation of PCs in general, and I'm not only talking about gaming PCs. Some people are now swearing only by Apple because they never saw a clean Windows install in their life.
These jackwagons are the bane of every tech guy who works with non-tech people. I have spent hours fixing "viruses" on co-workers' machines that were installed by the fucking manufacturer. Actually, fuck the quotes, bloatware is a fucking virus that has infected the industry. Even the scumbags that stick yahoo toolbar in an installer have an option to skip that, why don't we have prebuilt systems with an option to keep or kill the bloat on the first boot. Perhaps include the "bonus" crap on a flash drive if you really want it and only pre-install the bare minimum drivers and a recovery partition. Plenty include shit that's defunct by the time you purchase the system if you don't get it at launch that keeps triggering popups that whine about not connecting to a server that's been down for ages.
I had to RMA my Laptop and got it back with the original Windows 8.1 installation and a loooooot of crap on it. I forgot how bad it was haha On my external drive i still had the drivers for my keyboard and trackpad from my previous clean install of windows 10 Guess what the first thing i did was lol
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I really like the way Corsair handles this. I bought one of their prebuilts (Corsair One). The only things it had on it were fastboot (though I just uninstall that because it's pointless) and a single application they had built which contains all the diagnostic information, driver updating tools, etc. You open a single window and you can access support, you can do a diagnostic scan, you can check for updates, etc, and it's only there if you want to open it. That's how it should be done. A clean Windows install with just some support tooling there for customer service.
2017: people who buy laptops think that the hardware is bad when it's actually just their bloatware 2021: msi fixed the problem and made sure their hardware is as bad as their software
Unfortunately most people who bought gaming laptop probably never even bother to open control panel to uninstall stuff, let alone reinstalling windows.
MSI could be such an amazing company if they just listened to criticism. GPU''s have amazing cooling (twin frozr pascal is one of the best coolers I have ever owned). But their software, leds, and red/black only design is so limiting. Then look at their M7 board. Beautiful design, bad implementation of RGB's and sync capability. MSI gaming app, bugged for months (for a number of AMD boards) and unnecessary (could just add the functionality to After Burner). Please MSI, help us help you. You have some insane potential and could be one of the top 3 companies in the space.
Balbh Manufacturers can't get out of their own way. Mobile phone market is another great example. Entire Android user base just wants a clean Android experience and manufacturers spend on developing garbage proprietary apps and features when Google does all the work for you. OnePlus built an entire business model on being hands off. Motorola was saved by offering a near stock experience with no bloat. And yet there are handset makers scratching their heads about how they get out of fourth or fifth place market share. They just need to get out of their own way. But this is even more egregious. A PC manufacturer has literally nothing to do with the OS and compatibility, until they decide to try and make money by signing bloat agreements with garbage software vendors who wouldn't exist without the bloat phnomen.
Exactly, whether it's a phone or a laptop or a desktop computer, I'll install the apps I want or need. I don't need janky apps out of the box. The problem is that I'm not an average user, who expects to turn the phone on and do stuff right away without having to install anything. Average users want something that "just works" (like the old, stupid Mac ads used to say, even though in reality that wasn't entirely the case). That's why they continue to do this, average users are stupid and demanding. That, and because the "features" that the apps add are bullet points for sales.
Yeah it was the case that Macs just worked, at least back in the day. Nowadays when I cuss a computer though, it is often a Macintosh. Steve has been rolling in the grave for a while now. And I would submit that advanced users want things to just work also. Perhaps more so, as I got over the thrill of troubleshooting a long time ago.
Actually they have been making products with a white color scheme now but still most people just want a color neutral hardware like black.It fits with everything
They also make it incredibly difficult to upgrade simple ram sticks, which should be accessible to any end-user. Some of their laptop machines put the GPU and CPU cooling pipes in the way of the ram slots, forcing you to have to remove the cooling unit entirely, just to insert a new ram stick or upgrade to more memory. I've since switched to Asus laptops, which do not have this problem.
And Microsoft, the ones who actually could create a bloat-free Mac-like experience, stuff their own OS full with garbage like ads in Explorer and Candy Crush. Great work.
That's why you should only use Windows 10 LTSB or LTSC if you need to use Windows 10. I use Windows 10 LTSB 2016, and it is a very minimalist OS compared to base Windows 10. It only gets security patches, has no Cortana or Windows store, no Edge, and has all of the accessories from Windows 7. The only thing I had to do was make a simple registry edit to re-enable the Windows Picture Viewer.
kinda sucks that for first thing I end up having to do with a new laptop is reinstall a clean version of Windows to get rid of all the crap rather than just enjoy it.
Nick N. After browsing there product pages, they don't really look like the types of laptops I'm interested in. I like Asus Ultrabooks like the zenbook 3 etc. would just be nice if they didn't come with bloated OS installs, easy enough to fix though.
Massive respect Steve and excellent video! I'm glad someone's talking about it, since I too came across this with my MSI laptop. I think another issue with many of these bloatware/"utilities" that you also get with many other laptops too is that they don't seem to do anything more than what you can already do in the control panel/settings... People should be prompted once with the option to go to the MSI website and download additional tools if that's what they please. I know they won't implement this, but it's worth discussing.
Funny you should mention the Dragon center... I purchased my new MSI GE73VR-7RF Raider from iBuyPower... they shipped it with clean install of windows (not something I asked for or paid for). I was having some minor issues with the way the steelseries keyboard and the lighting on the laptop was working. For example the back lite USB ports were not working at all... Well I installed the Dragon Center, and all of the little issues I was having are now gone... SO I have to agree that is the one thing that is "required" to be there to get all the bells and whistles you are paying for. Plus it is a easy quick way to "overclock" things.
They are expensive and their cooling is noisy noisy. I have an MSI laptop , the dragon center is really good. The cooling is a bit bad because its always noisy as hell in idle in ECO mode. they need to have better cool solutions and undervolt their cpu and gpu a bit. I cannot do it because of the warranty but having 90 more degrees when gaming will kill my laptop real quick soon. Their laptops are not easy to modify because the motherboard is flipped and stuff. Never buying MSI again , never. Its my opinion. Laptop model : GE62VR 7RF apache pro GTX 1060 , I7 7700HQ , 16 GB ram , 1 SSD and 1 HDD . Just to modify storage and ram will be a mess , I checked out guides about it because I want to improve my laptop when the warranty will be gone . At this state this laptop will die at 90-95 temps while gaming on sport mode (theres turbo after to overclock more).
Clueless White Kid Studios its rarely worth it. In Dead by Daylight you can give tons of brightness but yeah , you can do it too by Geforce experience.
Thank You, everybody at GN. I appreciate the use of your platform to help consumers. After my MSI 970A SLI Krait Edition blew it's self up during a stress test; I learned the corners MSI cuts to keep price down are enthusiast features, mainly VRM design. eg: has 'some' power delivery That said their products are AMAZING for people who only want to plug and play, and as 'the computer guy' in my family, I know that even Intel's control panels are more than those people want.
I keep coming back to this video... THIS was the moment I knew Gamers Nexus was different. They showed through testing that the bloatware hurt performance, which put MSI in a no-win position. How could they justify preloading the gaming laptop up with "free" software when it objectively hurt performance and the user experience? Though Steve's hair back then was a bit less distracting. Now he's almost a caricature of himself.
guck foogle alienware is not that bad. I got their alienware alpha that I use for a streaming and browsing device. it was on sale for $150 which beats a mac mini budget wise.
Thank you for being one of the few remaining honest tech reviewers left on CZcams. MANY other channels have had these new gen MSI laptops in for review and they all say the same marketing crap fed to them from MSI. So again; THANK YOU for staying strong and true to your viewers.
While this is an old video - bloatware is still a thing... I recommend always testing products out of the box with all the crap installed on them - and score those things accordingly.
My iBuyPower laptop I purchased 5 years ago fortunately did not come with overwhelming amounts of bloatware. I thanked them for that. My friends Lenovo laptop as well, did not come weighed down with bloatware. I appreciate companies who take this in to consideration for their customers.
Just purchased a MSI GE73VR-7RF Raider from iBuyPower... I was absolutely surprised to find just a clean install of windows 10 (outside of the crap windows makes you install). They will be getting my future business for sure, and nice to see they have not changed in well over 5 years...
also when ever u buy a pre-build u always format can do clean install before doing anything... and I mean anything,, u don't even let it boot to 1st time setup... u stick in a windows usb/dvd and u boot to media to do clean install
Windows keys since Windows 8 are stored in the Bios (and used by the installer automatically), so you never need to find it unless you're installing an older version. Just FYI
I've never heard of any PC/Laptop manufacturer voiding warranty because a customer decides to do a clean install of the same version of the Windows that is included with the PC. That would make no sense, and you should never buy any brand that actually dose void warranties for such a stupid reason. Besides majority of laptops and desktop will have a hidden recovery partition you can use to restore the PC back to the bloatware loaded image of Windows it shipped with if need be. And Like the above guys said, Windows product keys have been tied to the Firmware/Motherboard now. I can't remember the last time I had to type in a product key when re installing Windows 10 on a PC.
I always appreciate when you guys keep it real and bring up the stuff your sponsors wouldn't want you to do. its that kinda honesty that keeps me watching. I also like it when you did videos where these companies actually listened to you and others make the changes recommended by you to improve the product. people like me have no say in any of this except not purchase the product, and with you showing us the deal we wouldn't know until I we purchased the product. like always Steve great video and thanks
Thank you for this commentary!. I just bought a GT62VR 7RE and I was overwhelmed with this bloat-ware. This laptop replaced a Macbook Pro (2011) and I am very disappointed/fustrated. The Killer software SUCKS!!! It keeps asking me to "set"my max upload and download speeds... how about this setting: go as fast as you can with no limits!!! who wants to set a limit in the first place?!?! The BIOS allows me to overclock my CPU and the Killer software allows me throttle my internet. I guess "Killer" is for killing network performance. Also thanks for pointing out which programs I should uninstall.
Gamers Nexus Like my MSI RX 470 with that bullshit of a zero frozr. Fans are turning on after the temperature goes over 60 C for "less noise" and "power saving" but what happens is the fans go ON and 2 sec later they go fucking OFF cuz the temp dropped to 59 C. So its like WRRRR- Wrrr... WRRRRRR-Wrrrr... Thank God so we can turn Zero Frozr off and make a simple fan curve. Really saved me.
Yeh that's hysteresis not delta. If your temps jump up at all, you want the fan to go up, and you want it to stay up until temps fall beyond a certain amount. With a delta, your fan wouldn't go down when temps do, but it also wouldn't go up when temps do, and that would be bad.
Regardless of the heatsink, the fan should respond instantly to temperature increases because the fan is what moves the energy out of the heatsink and actually away from the chip. You WANT the fan to instantly follow it. But only on the way up. The problem with 'wiiii, uhhhhh', is only the 'uhhhh' part. You want it to spin up immediately with temp spikes. The 'wiiiii' is good. The 'uhhh' should not happen instantly on temp decrease, and it's not delta that achieves that, it's hysteresis.
You're correct as usual Steve. Got New MSI 360Hz Stealth Laptop, Started to realize the default light version command center had no incremental fan control. Did some digging, Found out Afterburner was no help with that. Same true for GPU Tweak I II III. Did more digging realized MSI Dragon Center can control the CPU and GPU fan incrementally. Brothers and Sisters, Welcome to 2021 Windows 11 and may the frost theme be with you always.
I have a lot more respect for being this honest about it. It's rare to see something like this these days. Only other one I know that's not afraid of being brutally honest is Tiny Tom and he doesn't beat around the bush
Can confirm. I work in an IT chain where we basically have to murder all of these apps aside from the RGB controls to make it run smoothly. We've reached a point where we just run VLC playlists to show off the monitor at this point unless someone comes over and asks about them. This isn't just MSI either - ACER does the same thing with their Predators.
I have a MSI Gt72 and I agree on that. I even had to install an extra bloatware to slow down the fans because I couldn't do it on Dragon gaming center or any other MSI software. I do like this laptop , would not change it for any other brands.
Awesome video, Gamers Nexus is the unique and truly the forefront of the tech channels on CZcams! No known channel comes close to the level of constructive critique of a product! Gamers Nexus should at least have ten times more views and subscribers judging from the excellent quality! It's my favorite channel for sure! Your are the best Steve, keep up the good work!
Started as an annoying YTVB, but you dude, are kicking it now. Grown some serious balls over time and learned a lot making great videos lately, picking great topics and styles!
It is certainly refreshing to have CZcams bloggers that are upfront, open and honest. I trust your opinion over any other hardware reviews on CZcams no doubt about that.
This is the whole reason I subbed to this channel. Because Steve is a stright up BOSS! He doesn't care about putting the manufacturers on blast but he does it so respectively and with class. I wll be supporting through patreon as soon as I get my finances in order. Keep looking out for us consumers Steve, you are the man!!!
I got a Windows 10 Dell laptop the other month. First thing I did was switch the boot order to USB stick first. Second thing I did was disable secure boot...
i bought an MSI GE60 2QE almost 2 years ago, it came with FreeDOS, in portugal some laptops you can buy without windows and format it to yourself such as Clevo like it already said here, MSI and Asus some laptops
This allows control of the LED back lite keys, for example my MSI GE73VR-7RF Raider, has per key RGB. SO there needs to be some sort of control software for that, and once you set a profile or lets say "animation" of the keys you can exit out of the control panel and nothing is running in the background.
I used to have it installed to control the surround sound options on my headphones. Then I discovered it was the reason certain in-game voice comms systems couldn't pick up sound from the mic. The SteelSeries control actually broke the product it was designed to support!
Bloatware has been a major problem with laptops for as long as they have been around. The first time I boot a new laptop it's with a USB stick to re-install Windows, I'm not even going to bother trying to remove all the junk that was pre-installed. Fresh install is faster and has the best results and would recommend it to anyone buying a computer with a pre-installed OS.
COMPLETELY agree. I had an MSI laptop and fresh installed Windows because there was a ridiculous amount of bloat. I could install every MSI installed app on there and still run everything perfectly fine.
Loved the approach of the video, specially the 7:30m part. We share the same opinion at word level. Sometimes during the video, i was confused, if for somehow i was the one writing the script. :D Continue the good work Steve.
Most gaming hardware is tacky looking, with RGB, flashy colors and "aggressive" designs, but that dragon takes it a bit too far. I mean, if you're buying a laptop, you'll most likely have to take it somewhere around other people, and it's just shit buying a gaming laptop for the good hardware and then have people think you're a loser for having a kid's computer.
@Gamers Nexus Steve, this is actually probably my all-time favorite video you've made since I've started following your content! haha I'm so glad you don't pull punches and are honestly critical of businesses that deserve to have critical reviews like this. I've basically sworn off MSI after they started vomiting all manner of misleading product advertisement, so it's great to see influential people like you holding tech businesses' feet to the fire in and effort to get them to clean up their business practice. As one of your Patreon backers I fully support you making more content like this!
Dude... you won a sub for this video. When I got my gt70 0nd a few years back it was plugged full of bs software. After I finished removing it I found out the physical control of screen brightness, mirroring, keyboard backlighting and video OC mode were all blocked. The button lights reacted but that was it. I hate the killer lan software too. I just paid top dollar for the best hardware I could get on a new tower and none of it was msi.
The first thing I do to a new Windows PC is run the "Reset this PC" program and select "Remove Everything" option. I then continue enjoying my product with none of that bloatware. I feel bad for anyone who uses their "gaming laptop" with all this clutter running in the background. :(
I have a MSI GS70 ... Had to be sent to MSI for repair after 6 months because audio stopped working when using nvidia gpu... Now after getting the laptop back from MSI, i get blue screen at boot every time i open or close the lid... I reinstalled clean windows, nothing can fix it. MSI want me to send it back for repair, like 1st time, they wont even pay for postage and im gonna losde my computer for more than a month again... DONT BUY MSI !!!
Just saying, Nahimic 2 isn't actually bad, I installed it on my desktop on purpose. It creates a noticable improvement to my audio qaulity and it never uses more than 2% of my CPU.
So, this is my first video I've seen from Gamers Nexus, and I've decided to subscribe, like the video and give my impressions not only on this specific video; but the channel from what I've just seen. I'm very impressed, telling it straight to MSI is necessary. I used one of their Z170 boards before I ran into an issue with the DIMM Banks. As it was relying on Killer Performance Suite, I had to install that nasty bit of software. During my time with their Z170 M3 Board, I noticed quite a few things that were unusual with my PC. This was a brand new PC with a 6700K, SSD for OS, you get the gist, it was the full works. But when I noticed temps were running a little higher than ambient room temp, I decided to take a look through task manager and you'd better believe Killer Performance Suite was swallowing resources like they were the last things on earth. I have a serious gripe with bloatware and pre-installed garbage like you'd find on a clean Windows 10 install nowadays, and things like this need to be called out. The production of this video was straight forward, but Steve is very forward, understanding and giving very fair, constructive criticisms of MSI's product. The sole reason I haven't gone with an MSI laptop (or any laptop at this current point, truth be told) is because the disappointment of booting a new system for the first time doesn't have that magic when I have programs running in the background leeching resources. I could guarantee you at least my sale and positive review of an MSI laptop if the bloatware was not included, or at the very least; not enabled on start-up. It's a real shame, I'm not overly a fan of the 'gaming aesthetic', like I was when I first built my current PC in its first rendition -- but for MSI I feel like I would genuinely look passed that. What I can't -- yet refuse to look passed, is the bloatware. Got yer'self a new subscriber GN. I've heard good things about your channel in the past and I can see why. Ace!
It seems like whenever a company starts to get big, too big, then quality starts to go downhill. Then, when things seem to be at their worst, management gets together to close facilities, fire staff, and end certain lines of products, and then things get better. Sometimes, though, if things get better, and then get really, really better, the company will start to get too big for their britches again. And again, quality starts to dwindle. This has happened with a lot of companies. I think Asus is on their way back down, again..
Bloatware is why I do a complete reformat+re-install of Windows on any computer some one in my family purchases. Some times it even fixes issues that the laptop would have had otherwise (eg. USB ports not working correctly, wifi randomly turning off etc)
people: too many control panels msi: comes up with dragon center, that crams everything into one frankenstein of a giga-control panel that's as unstable as all of them combined
That We-WOO We-WOO with fans going on/ off is on their gpus like mine MSI rx 470 with zero frozr when the fan starts to spinn on 60 C , but it goes ON and 2 sec later goes OFF cuz its like going from 60 C - 59 C and so on... ANNOYING AS FUCK! So i turned that shit off and made a fan curve.
The exact reason I never booted my Asus G752VL from factory windows. Wipe that drive and fresh install. Thanks for bringing this to light and discussing it.
My favourite is when the laptop has an issue and you contact support and they find out you've removed their default bloat stack and they say you are no longer entitled to support.
I subscribed just because... Well... Because of honesty really. In a world of bought out media/persona, it's quite refreshing for one to tell it what it is.
As usual Steve, you are telling it like it is (with actual facts). Users need to know this stuff. I fully expect MSI to be pissed at you, but if it gets shitty, you also know that all you are doing is pointing out facts. Which they cannot deny. Thanks for your honest content.
This is an issue I have always known about and experienced with "bloatware". As a computer system engineer of 25+ years who has spent endless hours identifying and cleaning off bloatware from many machines it actually angers me that this is still an issue. I think it's good of you to piont this out.
Necessary and good video! Best thing to do when getting a new laptop: Put a fresh copy of windows on it (and cherry pick any really needed drivers) - won't take long on a unused system with SSD (
Brilliant vid and well said. The amount of bloatware that comes with Laptops (and mobile phones) is staggering. This is a topic that should be talked about more often with all tech reviewers.
I got a Sony Vaio in 2008. The ridiculous amount of shitty bloatware was the reason why I returned in under 3 hours. I never touched another Vaio since then. Dude, I hope MSI and other hear you here.
THANK YOU Steve!!!!! Finally a youtuber with balls, who isn't afraid to point out the crap manufacturer put on their laptops.. I've bought MSI's laptop and uninstall all this crap at first start.. This is way too much bloatware..
Finally someone has the balls to point this shit out to a manufacturer. You the man Steve
"BLUE, YOU MY BOY!!!!!!"
I love the pissed off GN vids.. :D They have a nice angry feel to them Good work Steve!!
Spunkmire Blues dead now. May he rest in peace
Im glad GN does this type of stuff. You see LTT making criticism now and then, but overall LTT sucks manufacture dick because he knows that he needs sponsors. GN would probably do better if they were shills like LTT, but then the actual honesty and unbiased content would disappear and i'd unsub like i did for LTT.
"All we are is dust in the wind"
Criticizing those who pay part of your bills: that's how you know that honesty is more important than money to the channel.
Great job, GN!
Joey Verhaar Based principled Steve
Meanwhile LTT embraces RGB everything and pimps out expensive junk. Only one of these channels gets my sub, guess who.
ac3ofspades878 You're probably subbed to LTT because CZcams is shit. Seriously. I unsubbed from a channel and I swear CZcams secretly subscribed me back, and I didn't realize for a few days until I saw my sub box.
ac3ofspades878 You realize you wrote this comment on a video featuring the bloatware on an expensive gaming laptop, right? And LTT certainly doesn't shy away from criticing manufacturers just because they did a silly video about an RGB chair.
If you don't want to watch LTT, that's fair enough. Just don't spew bullshit.
+Epsilon In my experience with CZcams lately, who you're subscribed to, including notifications (the little bell) has very little impact on what gets recommended to you. My recommended stuff seems to be based more on the types of videos I've been watching lately (not necessarily who) than who I'm subscribed to.
And I say recommended because I don't always get notifications for channels I'm subscribed to, despite the fact that I've clicked that stupid bell (which I shouldn't have to do if I'm subscribed to them).
Love the honesty, other big Youtbers need to take note.
This comment has aged well.
Still don't understand why every brand is still making software to control basic functions that Windows has done good enough for years already... I don't need a program to control battery, brightness, WIFI, and basic drivers anymore. The god damn Toshiba we have at work use almost 1GB of RAM with all their "suite" software, and it barely works.. just uninstalling it gives the laptop 30min extra on the battery.
MSI dragon center is perfect to tune how to overclock and stuff a fast way. In one application you can change Turbo , sport , confort , ECO mode and the fans speed. This is the only application that I can find usefull .
Lenovo's "updated" control center is garbage. I went and installed the W8 one, actually nice.
Things like express charge, conservation mode, fan dust removal, etc. which is useful.
They also integrated the mouse pad software stuff into the mouse properties window, under a touch pad tab. It actually has gestures that I want, like being able to do 2 finger rotation (why is this still not a thing by default in W10?).
There is a lot of other bloatware I guess, but I always check what bloatware I want, back up those apps, then wipe and reinstall W10 Pro (usually system comes with home here, for some reason I can't get no OS installed systems).
"Windows has done good enouth already"
I dont think windows does anything good already, exept being able to run games
They are creating jobs!
The software I do like that Alienware has is the sound center, because I have use my dad's old QC15 (with swapped ear pads) and it is too bass heavy for my liking (I prefer more highs, less mids and in-between bass)
Also the lighting effect software, so I can turn it off.
Personally I've always found it best to just clean install windows on any new laptop purchase!
Same- that said I haven't bought a new laptop for over 6 years now.
indeed, but checking for needed drivers first can be good, especially if you dont have a second system to download Network drivers in case the newly set-up one doesnt connect on its own.
I wouldn't buy a new product that requires me to spent time installing windows because it's shit out of the box. That's fucking insane.
Good luck buying a new laptop then.
How though without repurchasing Windows? I don't see a sticker on my laptop with the Windows key, and they didn't provide it (or install media) with the documentation.
Why they install unnecessary software onto a " gaming laptop " is beyond me.
Damn and i thought Lenovo had a lot of bloatware XD.
Money, money and money
depends what you buy. my thinkpad had a couple update centres but that is all
T0x!c DoohNUT Often they get paid by the software maker if it isn't their own. I cannot imagine it is much, though. Or it wouldn't offset negative publicity when they fuck up a product.
Yeah but I think the point of my complaint is not the money they get from the software companies.When I know certain companies stuff their systems with software to the point it affects performance out of the box I'm going to avoid those products.
The bloatware on my thinkpad isn't that bad
You missed an important point here. They actually BUNDLE THE FREAKING NORTON TERMS OF SERVICE WITH THE MICROSOFT WINDOWS TERMS. There is one button for both items. You literally can not use your computer without accepting Norton's retartedly overblown terms and tracking on your PC. I have bought exactly one MSI laptop, and I will not buy another one if this is not fixed when mine has lived its life.
BRNKoINSANITY you mean to say you did not do a clean install when you first unboxed it? That my friend is your dumb mistake. But you still do raise an interesting consumer rights issue so +1 there.
That's the exact reason why I won't ever buy a pre-built ever again. Build your own and you decide what software you want.
Deon Denis And it will remove all of the functionality as well.
@@JP-uk9uc You build your own laptop? Impressive :p
"Why? Because they have agreements with companies"
This doesn't explain why MSi (and other companies) build, in house, bloatware like their managers (battery calibration, dragon center, help desk, Remind manager, sizing option)... they SPENT money developing these... WHY?
Kevo05sGaming to track everything you do. Or it is msi rebranded software thats installed so the actual owner of the software can keep track of everything you do, because if it's software from the laptop manufacturer it surely is there because it is essential and can't be uninstalled without things breaking.
Most people have no clue so they leave it on there, thats a goldmine to dataminers and advertising companies.
if they dont make their own propriety software to hook you up,whats different than any other chinese brand laptop? they are pulling the apple tactic....
MSI, I only do this because I love you.
Steve.
LOL, tough love!
Best kind of love.
The pimp hand of GN.
I hope MSI listens. My bro bought a decent msi gaming laptop, it's a freakin beatifully designed and packs a punch. But yeah, I think the biggest issues he had with it was the bloatware and the killer wireless network card causing huuuuuuuuuge lag spikes. Why do they use killer wireless "gamer" bs, why not the intel wireless cards that actually work reliably. *facepalm!*
They are not only damaging their reputation, but also the reputation of PCs in general, and I'm not only talking about gaming PCs.
Some people are now swearing only by Apple because they never saw a clean Windows install in their life.
My thoughts exactly, thanks.
Maruku True that, people see all these things running and making their computer lag and run slow then think "apple is much smoother and easy".
These jackwagons are the bane of every tech guy who works with non-tech people. I have spent hours fixing "viruses" on co-workers' machines that were installed by the fucking manufacturer. Actually, fuck the quotes, bloatware is a fucking virus that has infected the industry.
Even the scumbags that stick yahoo toolbar in an installer have an option to skip that, why don't we have prebuilt systems with an option to keep or kill the bloat on the first boot. Perhaps include the "bonus" crap on a flash drive if you really want it and only pre-install the bare minimum drivers and a recovery partition. Plenty include shit that's defunct by the time you purchase the system if you don't get it at launch that keeps triggering popups that whine about not connecting to a server that's been down for ages.
Well said.
Except Apple now includes the Itunes and safari and store bloatware too
Whenever I buy a laptop I assume all the software on it is trash so I wipe it and reinstall a clean OS with just drivers.
I had to RMA my Laptop and got it back with the original Windows 8.1 installation and a loooooot of crap on it. I forgot how bad it was haha
On my external drive i still had the drivers for my keyboard and trackpad from my previous clean install of windows 10
Guess what the first thing i did was lol
yeah this should be common knowledge, wipe any laptop or drive you get and clean install it
buy without windows and save money
Just use TronScript
@@-Yogo I used that once and it removed a bunch of stuff I used daily
You had me at "How many fucking control panels do you need!?". *begins the slow clap*
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windows enterprise fresh install and a fuck you bloatware...problem solved. I can't wait for the dreads video.
First stop MSI booth? xD
Have fun :-)
Gamers Nexus awesome video. As an MSI lover I fully agree.
Enjoy your time man. Try nick a Vega card hihihih
"Ruining good hardware with bad software" sounds like Samsung
1800 GET REKT
They actually really imroved, still not the best but very enjoyable.
1800 GET REKT more like apple
illuminati are you just acting dumb or actually stupid? Its opposite on apple. Good software, bad hardware.
1800 GET REKT trust me huawei is worse
wtf are you talking about?
I really like the way Corsair handles this. I bought one of their prebuilts (Corsair One). The only things it had on it were fastboot (though I just uninstall that because it's pointless) and a single application they had built which contains all the diagnostic information, driver updating tools, etc. You open a single window and you can access support, you can do a diagnostic scan, you can check for updates, etc, and it's only there if you want to open it. That's how it should be done. A clean Windows install with just some support tooling there for customer service.
Corsair is the worst with their icue
2017: people who buy laptops think that the hardware is bad when it's actually just their bloatware
2021: msi fixed the problem and made sure their hardware is as bad as their software
if you buy ANY laptop the very first thing you should do is a fresh install of windows
Unfortunately most people who bought gaming laptop probably never even bother to open control panel to uninstall stuff, let alone reinstalling windows.
if you buy ANY laptop the very first thing you should do is a fresh install of linux
MSI could be such an amazing company if they just listened to criticism. GPU''s have amazing cooling (twin frozr pascal is one of the best coolers I have ever owned). But their software, leds, and red/black only design is so limiting. Then look at their M7 board. Beautiful design, bad implementation of RGB's and sync capability. MSI gaming app, bugged for months (for a number of AMD boards) and unnecessary (could just add the functionality to After Burner). Please MSI, help us help you. You have some insane potential and could be one of the top 3 companies in the space.
Balbh Manufacturers can't get out of their own way. Mobile phone market is another great example. Entire Android user base just wants a clean Android experience and manufacturers spend on developing garbage proprietary apps and features when Google does all the work for you. OnePlus built an entire business model on being hands off. Motorola was saved by offering a near stock experience with no bloat. And yet there are handset makers scratching their heads about how they get out of fourth or fifth place market share. They just need to get out of their own way.
But this is even more egregious. A PC manufacturer has literally nothing to do with the OS and compatibility, until they decide to try and make money by signing bloat agreements with garbage software vendors who wouldn't exist without the bloat phnomen.
Exactly, whether it's a phone or a laptop or a desktop computer, I'll install the apps I want or need. I don't need janky apps out of the box.
The problem is that I'm not an average user, who expects to turn the phone on and do stuff right away without having to install anything. Average users want something that "just works" (like the old, stupid Mac ads used to say, even though in reality that wasn't entirely the case). That's why they continue to do this, average users are stupid and demanding. That, and because the "features" that the apps add are bullet points for sales.
Yeah it was the case that Macs just worked, at least back in the day. Nowadays when I cuss a computer though, it is often a Macintosh. Steve has been rolling in the grave for a while now.
And I would submit that advanced users want things to just work also. Perhaps more so, as I got over the thrill of troubleshooting a long time ago.
Actually they have been making products with a white color scheme now but still most people just want a color neutral hardware like black.It fits with everything
They also make it incredibly difficult to upgrade simple ram sticks, which should be accessible to any end-user. Some of their laptop machines put the GPU and CPU cooling pipes in the way of the ram slots, forcing you to have to remove the cooling unit entirely, just to insert a new ram stick or upgrade to more memory. I've since switched to Asus laptops, which do not have this problem.
And Microsoft, the ones who actually could create a bloat-free Mac-like experience, stuff their own OS full with garbage like ads in Explorer and Candy Crush. Great work.
That's why you should only use Windows 10 LTSB or LTSC if you need to use Windows 10. I use Windows 10 LTSB 2016, and it is a very minimalist OS compared to base Windows 10. It only gets security patches, has no Cortana or Windows store, no Edge, and has all of the accessories from Windows 7. The only thing I had to do was make a simple registry edit to re-enable the Windows Picture Viewer.
When a CZcamsr slams the table and throws the f-word in the first 10 seconds, followed by a question.
You know they are _dead_ serious.
Right? Literally wrote de-monetized into the first 10 seconds of the script. Talk about sending a message.
@@harmstrongg figuratively
kinda sucks that for first thing I end up having to do with a new laptop is reinstall a clean version of Windows to get rid of all the crap rather than just enjoy it.
Hex Crown buy a barebone from clevo, less bullshit, more bang for buck.
Nick N. After browsing there product pages, they don't really look like the types of laptops I'm interested in. I like Asus Ultrabooks like the zenbook 3 etc. would just be nice if they didn't come with bloated OS installs, easy enough to fix though.
Hex Crown if youre in europe, id suggest pcspecialist uk, they ship over all of europe and have alot of different laptops that u can customize
Massive respect Steve and excellent video!
I'm glad someone's talking about it, since I too came across this with my MSI laptop. I think another issue with many of these bloatware/"utilities" that you also get with many other laptops too is that they don't seem to do anything more than what you can already do in the control panel/settings... People should be prompted once with the option to go to the MSI website and download additional tools if that's what they please. I know they won't implement this, but it's worth discussing.
I think they might say that it is just as easy (easier) to uninstall a control panel rather than go find one that you might not know existed.
I 100% agree although MSI are not the only ones that do it, the Dragon Gaming Centre is about the only thing you should leave on it in my opinion.
Tech Showdown and the rgb keyboard controller
Funny you should mention the Dragon center... I purchased my new MSI GE73VR-7RF Raider from iBuyPower... they shipped it with clean install of windows (not something I asked for or paid for). I was having some minor issues with the way the steelseries keyboard and the lighting on the laptop was working. For example the back lite USB ports were not working at all... Well I installed the Dragon Center, and all of the little issues I was having are now gone... SO I have to agree that is the one thing that is "required" to be there to get all the bells and whistles you are paying for. Plus it is a easy quick way to "overclock" things.
They are expensive and their cooling is noisy noisy. I have an MSI laptop , the dragon center is really good. The cooling is a bit bad because its always noisy as hell in idle in ECO mode. they need to have better cool solutions and undervolt their cpu and gpu a bit. I cannot do it because of the warranty but having 90 more degrees when gaming will kill my laptop real quick soon. Their laptops are not easy to modify because the motherboard is flipped and stuff. Never buying MSI again , never. Its my opinion. Laptop model : GE62VR 7RF apache pro GTX 1060 , I7 7700HQ , 16 GB ram , 1 SSD and 1 HDD . Just to modify storage and ram will be a mess , I checked out guides about it because I want to improve my laptop when the warranty will be gone . At this state this laptop will die at 90-95 temps while gaming on sport mode (theres turbo after to overclock more).
i just leave true color tbh
Clueless White Kid Studios its rarely worth it. In Dead by Daylight you can give tons of brightness but yeah , you can do it too by Geforce experience.
Of course, every single gamer needs their own SQL server. Thank you MSI!
Fosi94 that’s why it’s called MySQL lol
This video a thousand times yes!
I love this video :) Gamers Nexus is legend
Thank You, everybody at GN.
I appreciate the use of your platform to help consumers.
After my MSI 970A SLI Krait Edition blew it's self up during a stress test; I learned the corners MSI cuts to keep price down are enthusiast features, mainly VRM design. eg: has 'some' power delivery
That said their products are AMAZING for people who only want to plug and play, and as 'the computer guy' in my family, I know that even Intel's control panels are more than those people want.
I keep coming back to this video... THIS was the moment I knew Gamers Nexus was different. They showed through testing that the bloatware hurt performance, which put MSI in a no-win position. How could they justify preloading the gaming laptop up with "free" software when it objectively hurt performance and the user experience? Though Steve's hair back then was a bit less distracting. Now he's almost a caricature of himself.
Jesus, once again helping me with my tech choice
eyal moussafir clevo barebone laptop
You don't know how to uninstall bloat from Windows?
guck foogle true. some people are just generally too lazy to do the easy work of a clean install and just want to complain and call the product shit.
guck foogle Alienware doesn't.
guck foogle alienware is not that bad. I got their alienware alpha that I use for a streaming and browsing device. it was on sale for $150 which beats a mac mini budget wise.
Like I always say. Steve is a savage and goes on a rampage, and the manufacturers keep sending him stuff. Steve is Godliketm. by msi
not all heroes wear capes.............
What do the others wear?
Underwear? a typical T-shirt.
Some wear glorious dark hair
^^^
Steve... I wasn't expecting that F bomb. Marvelous
Thank you for being one of the few remaining honest tech reviewers left on CZcams. MANY other channels have had these new gen MSI laptops in for review and they all say the same marketing crap fed to them from MSI. So again; THANK YOU for staying strong and true to your viewers.
bloatware is the micro transactions of hdds
While this is an old video - bloatware is still a thing... I recommend always testing products out of the box with all the crap installed on them - and score those things accordingly.
all 26 msi board members disliked this video.
Theyve hired another 115 since your time of commenting.
@@worldhello1234 whats your address? Your mum left her underwear here.
My iBuyPower laptop I purchased 5 years ago fortunately did not come with overwhelming amounts of bloatware. I thanked them for that. My friends Lenovo laptop as well, did not come weighed down with bloatware. I appreciate companies who take this in to consideration for their customers.
Just purchased a MSI GE73VR-7RF Raider from iBuyPower... I was absolutely surprised to find just a clean install of windows 10 (outside of the crap windows makes you install). They will be getting my future business for sure, and nice to see they have not changed in well over 5 years...
also when ever u buy a pre-build u always format can do clean install before doing anything... and I mean anything,,
u don't even let it boot to 1st time setup... u stick in a windows usb/dvd and u boot to media to do clean install
Travis Boyko maybe boot it to get the windows code, those stickers arent always on the back anymore.
well, boot it just once to make sure everything works, otherwise ur si might pin any problems on you for reinstalling the os
Get that windows key first
Windows keys since Windows 8 are stored in the Bios (and used by the installer automatically), so you never need to find it unless you're installing an older version. Just FYI
I've never heard of any PC/Laptop manufacturer voiding warranty because a customer decides to do a clean install of the same version of the Windows that is included with the PC. That would make no sense, and you should never buy any brand that actually dose void warranties for such a stupid reason. Besides majority of laptops and desktop will have a hidden recovery partition you can use to restore the PC back to the bloatware loaded image of Windows it shipped with if need be. And Like the above guys said, Windows product keys have been tied to the Firmware/Motherboard now. I can't remember the last time I had to type in a product key when re installing Windows 10 on a PC.
I always appreciate when you guys keep it real and bring up the stuff your sponsors wouldn't want you to do. its that kinda honesty that keeps me watching. I also like it when you did videos where these companies actually listened to you and others make the changes recommended by you to improve the product. people like me have no say in any of this except not purchase the product, and with you showing us the deal we wouldn't know until I we purchased the product. like always Steve great video and thanks
Thank you for this commentary!. I just bought a GT62VR 7RE and I was overwhelmed with this bloat-ware. This laptop replaced a Macbook Pro (2011) and I am very disappointed/fustrated. The Killer software SUCKS!!! It keeps asking me to "set"my max upload and download speeds... how about this setting: go as fast as you can with no limits!!! who wants to set a limit in the first place?!?! The BIOS allows me to overclock my CPU and the Killer software allows me throttle my internet. I guess "Killer" is for killing network performance.
Also thanks for pointing out which programs I should uninstall.
Wiiiiii, uhhhhhhhh, wiiiiiii,,uhhhhhhh
Wiiiiooo!
Gamers Nexus Like my MSI RX 470 with that bullshit of a zero frozr. Fans are turning on after the temperature goes over 60 C for "less noise" and "power saving" but what happens is the fans go ON and 2 sec later they go fucking OFF cuz the temp dropped to 59 C.
So its like WRRRR- Wrrr... WRRRRRR-Wrrrr... Thank God so we can turn Zero Frozr off and make a simple fan curve. Really saved me.
So no hysteresis setting?
Yeh that's hysteresis not delta. If your temps jump up at all, you want the fan to go up, and you want it to stay up until temps fall beyond a certain amount. With a delta, your fan wouldn't go down when temps do, but it also wouldn't go up when temps do, and that would be bad.
Regardless of the heatsink, the fan should respond instantly to temperature increases because the fan is what moves the energy out of the heatsink and actually away from the chip. You WANT the fan to instantly follow it. But only on the way up. The problem with 'wiiii, uhhhhh', is only the 'uhhhh' part. You want it to spin up immediately with temp spikes. The 'wiiiii' is good. The 'uhhh' should not happen instantly on temp decrease, and it's not delta that achieves that, it's hysteresis.
First time I'm seeing Steve curse. But the fact is he's not wrong. There is just so much bloatware from the manufacturers.
You're correct as usual Steve. Got New MSI 360Hz Stealth Laptop, Started to realize the default light version command center had no incremental fan control.
Did some digging, Found out Afterburner was no help with that. Same true for GPU Tweak I II III.
Did more digging realized MSI Dragon Center can control the CPU and GPU fan incrementally.
Brothers and Sisters, Welcome to 2021 Windows 11 and may the frost theme be with you always.
This is why I love this channel. No BS, no emotions.
I have a lot more respect for being this honest about it. It's rare to see something like this these days. Only other one I know that's not afraid of being brutally honest is Tiny Tom and he doesn't beat around the bush
mastrshok adoredtv is also very good and in depth
Hey MSI! Git gud, scrub.
:(
your comment made more laugh than i should have xD
man i love your reviews, no bullshit and you tell us what really matters, keep up the good work!
Can confirm. I work in an IT chain where we basically have to murder all of these apps aside from the RGB controls to make it run smoothly.
We've reached a point where we just run VLC playlists to show off the monitor at this point unless someone comes over and asks about them. This isn't just MSI either - ACER does the same thing with their Predators.
honesty is the best policy
I have a MSI Gt72 and I agree on that.
I even had to install an extra bloatware to slow down the fans because I couldn't do it on Dragon gaming center or any other MSI software.
I do like this laptop , would not change it for any other brands.
Awesome video, Gamers Nexus is the unique and truly the forefront of the tech channels on CZcams! No known channel comes close to the level of constructive critique of a product!
Gamers Nexus should at least have ten times more views and subscribers judging from the excellent quality!
It's my favorite channel for sure!
Your are the best Steve, keep up the good work!
Started as an annoying YTVB, but you dude, are kicking it now. Grown some serious balls over time and learned a lot making great videos lately, picking great topics and styles!
You tell them scuba Steve!
*SIGH* They (and dozens of other PC manufacturer's) won't listen... They seem to think we want bloatware.
It is certainly refreshing to have CZcams bloggers that are upfront, open and honest. I trust your opinion over any other hardware reviews on CZcams no doubt about that.
This is the whole reason I subbed to this channel. Because Steve is a stright up BOSS! He doesn't care about putting the manufacturers on blast but he does it so respectively and with class. I wll be supporting through patreon as soon as I get my finances in order. Keep looking out for us consumers Steve, you are the man!!!
This is why i buy laptops or desktops without an OS.
LoopesSPT clevo's?
I got a Windows 10 Dell laptop the other month. First thing I did was switch the boot order to USB stick first. Second thing I did was disable secure boot...
i bought an MSI GE60 2QE almost 2 years ago, it came with FreeDOS, in portugal some laptops you can buy without windows and format it to yourself such as Clevo like it already said here, MSI and Asus some laptops
Why does SteelSeries even need their own control panel?
This allows control of the LED back lite keys, for example my MSI GE73VR-7RF Raider, has per key RGB. SO there needs to be some sort of control software for that, and once you set a profile or lets say "animation" of the keys you can exit out of the control panel and nothing is running in the background.
I used to have it installed to control the surround sound options on my headphones. Then I discovered it was the reason certain in-game voice comms systems couldn't pick up sound from the mic. The SteelSeries control actually broke the product it was designed to support!
Bloatware has been a major problem with laptops for as long as they have been around. The first time I boot a new laptop it's with a USB stick to re-install Windows, I'm not even going to bother trying to remove all the junk that was pre-installed. Fresh install is faster and has the best results and would recommend it to anyone buying a computer with a pre-installed OS.
COMPLETELY agree. I had an MSI laptop and fresh installed Windows because there was a ridiculous amount of bloat. I could install every MSI installed app on there and still run everything perfectly fine.
IDK why they don't just roll everything into one program.
paskowitz Doing that will be really buggy. And if the bug kills the program, they will also lose everything else.
OUT OF THE BOX BLOATWARE! :)
More and more tech channels need to do this. Bloatware is a huge problem that's plagued us for decades and needs to end. Awesome job, GN.
Loved the approach of the video, specially the 7:30m part. We share the same opinion at word level. Sometimes during the video, i was confused, if for somehow i was the one writing the script. :D
Continue the good work Steve.
Just wait until they turn all these 11 control panels into Electron apps. Means you are running 11 chrome instances in the background. *shivers*
MSIs gaming design language is just complete trash with this tacky looking tribal dragon on that porsche-esque shield, its lame as hell
Most gaming hardware is tacky looking, with RGB, flashy colors and "aggressive" designs, but that dragon takes it a bit too far. I mean, if you're buying a laptop, you'll most likely have to take it somewhere around other people, and it's just shit buying a gaming laptop for the good hardware and then have people think you're a loser for having a kid's computer.
@Gamers Nexus
Steve, this is actually probably my all-time favorite video you've made since I've started following your content! haha I'm so glad you don't pull punches and are honestly critical of businesses that deserve to have critical reviews like this. I've basically sworn off MSI after they started vomiting all manner of misleading product advertisement, so it's great to see influential people like you holding tech businesses' feet to the fire in and effort to get them to clean up their business practice. As one of your Patreon backers I fully support you making more content like this!
Dude... you won a sub for this video.
When I got my gt70 0nd a few years back it was plugged full of bs software. After I finished removing it I found out the physical control of screen brightness, mirroring, keyboard backlighting and video OC mode were all blocked. The button lights reacted but that was it.
I hate the killer lan software too.
I just paid top dollar for the best hardware I could get on a new tower and none of it was msi.
The video on excessive bloat on their gtx 1060 6gb laptops are the reason why I ultimately decided on an Asus laptop.
Daniel McCracken I love asus but their warranty is shit
Based Objective Hardware God Steve COMPLETELY DESTROYS Bloatware Manufacturer!
I just ran into this channel, and I really have to say - this is a *really* great first impression. Props to you for being real, honest, and critical.
The first thing I do to a new Windows PC is run the "Reset this PC" program and select "Remove Everything" option. I then continue enjoying my product with none of that bloatware. I feel bad for anyone who uses their "gaming laptop" with all this clutter running in the background. :(
FUCKING ROASTED
How to Ruin Your Product.... slap a dragon on everything
Andrei Despinoiu my msi GTX 1050ti is black and white.
Anal Prolapse In My Bum When I'm Filled With Cum because it's the basic shitty one no offence
Harley Norris FUS ROH DA
I am 40 years old... can't have too many Skulls or Dragons... just saying
Dragons are awesome.
You're so much better than most tech reviewers. Not afraid to call out big manufacturers and potential sponsors.
i love that you say your mind despite whether it will upset manufacturers. subbed.
I have a MSI GS70 ... Had to be sent to MSI for repair after 6 months because audio stopped working when using nvidia gpu... Now after getting the laptop back from MSI, i get blue screen at boot every time i open or close the lid... I reinstalled clean windows, nothing can fix it. MSI want me to send it back for repair, like 1st time, they wont even pay for postage and im gonna losde my computer for more than a month again... DONT BUY MSI !!!
asus the best for gaming. MSI is fancy. pls dont waste your money in the future.
Just saying, Nahimic 2 isn't actually bad, I installed it on my desktop on purpose. It creates a noticable improvement to my audio qaulity and it never uses more than 2% of my CPU.
One of the best videos so far, Steve: funny, critical, true, helpful .
So, this is my first video I've seen from Gamers Nexus, and I've decided to subscribe, like the video and give my impressions not only on this specific video; but the channel from what I've just seen.
I'm very impressed, telling it straight to MSI is necessary. I used one of their Z170 boards before I ran into an issue with the DIMM Banks. As it was relying on Killer Performance Suite, I had to install that nasty bit of software. During my time with their Z170 M3 Board, I noticed quite a few things that were unusual with my PC. This was a brand new PC with a 6700K, SSD for OS, you get the gist, it was the full works. But when I noticed temps were running a little higher than ambient room temp, I decided to take a look through task manager and you'd better believe Killer Performance Suite was swallowing resources like they were the last things on earth.
I have a serious gripe with bloatware and pre-installed garbage like you'd find on a clean Windows 10 install nowadays, and things like this need to be called out. The production of this video was straight forward, but Steve is very forward, understanding and giving very fair, constructive criticisms of MSI's product. The sole reason I haven't gone with an MSI laptop (or any laptop at this current point, truth be told) is because the disappointment of booting a new system for the first time doesn't have that magic when I have programs running in the background leeching resources. I could guarantee you at least my sale and positive review of an MSI laptop if the bloatware was not included, or at the very least; not enabled on start-up. It's a real shame, I'm not overly a fan of the 'gaming aesthetic', like I was when I first built my current PC in its first rendition -- but for MSI I feel like I would genuinely look passed that. What I can't -- yet refuse to look passed, is the bloatware.
Got yer'self a new subscriber GN. I've heard good things about your channel in the past and I can see why. Ace!
I love how MSI was shitty years ago, then did reeeally well for a few years and now returns to being bad again. :D
It seems like whenever a company starts to get big, too big, then quality starts to go downhill. Then, when things seem to be at their worst, management gets together to close facilities, fire staff, and end certain lines of products, and then things get better. Sometimes, though, if things get better, and then get really, really better, the company will start to get too big for their britches again. And again, quality starts to dwindle.
This has happened with a lot of companies. I think Asus is on their way back down, again..
Counting Sheeple asus lower END motherboards arent that good either ( on par with medium END MSI ) but hugger END asus stuff is Great
+QuantuMlapZiz I agree.
Like rate on this topic 99,4% at the moment
so 0.6 % even want more bloatware on their systems ;D
İ saw you playing csgo today wtf?
Bloatware is why I do a complete reformat+re-install of Windows on any computer some one in my family purchases. Some times it even fixes issues that the laptop would have had otherwise (eg. USB ports not working correctly, wifi randomly turning off etc)
people: too many control panels
msi: comes up with dragon center, that crams everything into one frankenstein of a giga-control panel that's as unstable as all of them combined
That We-WOO We-WOO with fans going on/ off is on their gpus like mine MSI rx 470 with zero frozr when the fan starts to spinn on
60 C , but it goes ON and 2 sec later goes OFF cuz its like going from 60 C - 59 C and so on...
ANNOYING AS FUCK! So i turned that shit off and made a fan curve.
Dominik No
I did the same with my GTX 960, so annoying.
im not a fan of msi or anything but why couldnt you just make the fan spin at 50c?
How to Make a Millennial Happy: Tell them you've never heard their complaint before and how insightful it is.
Ok boomer
The exact reason I never booted my Asus G752VL from factory windows. Wipe that drive and fresh install. Thanks for bringing this to light and discussing it.
My favourite is when the laptop has an issue and you contact support and they find out you've removed their default bloat stack and they say you are no longer entitled to support.
Hey MSI, look at how many people like this video... Take the hint!
install gentoo
No thanks Stallman, I need to actually use my computer for productivity. I don't have time to micromanage each individual package that is installed.
Msi are not the only people who do this. Manufacturers need to take note. Thanks for the video
I subscribed just because... Well... Because of honesty really. In a world of bought out media/persona, it's quite refreshing for one to tell it what it is.
Never liked MSI and never will. Bad QC, very cringy marketing, disgusting logo, and use cheap materials only to charge a premium for their products.
agreed!
As usual Steve, you are telling it like it is (with actual facts). Users need to know this stuff. I fully expect MSI to be pissed at you, but if it gets shitty, you also know that all you are doing is pointing out facts. Which they cannot deny. Thanks for your honest content.
This is an issue I have always known about and experienced with "bloatware". As a computer system engineer of 25+ years who has spent endless hours identifying and cleaning off bloatware from many machines it actually angers me that this is still an issue. I think it's good of you to piont this out.
Necessary and good video! Best thing to do when getting a new laptop: Put a fresh copy of windows on it (and cherry pick any really needed drivers) - won't take long on a unused system with SSD (
Brilliant vid and well said.
The amount of bloatware that comes with Laptops (and mobile phones) is staggering.
This is a topic that should be talked about more often with all tech reviewers.
I got a Sony Vaio in 2008. The ridiculous amount of shitty bloatware was the reason why I returned in under 3 hours. I never touched another Vaio since then. Dude, I hope MSI and other hear you here.
THANK YOU Steve!!!!! Finally a youtuber with balls, who isn't afraid to point out the crap manufacturer put on their laptops.. I've bought MSI's laptop and uninstall all this crap at first start.. This is way too much bloatware..
That opening was SAVAGE but fair