I will think about a VR. ❤😊 You know I've got more than five figureless decks since landscape is a style I love! Ad Orbita has been on and off my list a few times -- I like you talking about how the astronomical/astrological helps you with reading it because I don't have much basis in plant associations either; that actually makes me wonder if it might pop back onto my list. Of the ones you've shown, I've got Tyldwick and Orbifold + like both. ❤❤
Interesting topic and some beautiful decks I'd not seen before! I don't do well with figure-less decks, but love the Tyldwick and believe it is one of the most innovative decks ever. The Orbifold didn't seem to "tell" me much. So I passed it on. Check out the Abstract Futures tarot; that one seems to help me "feel" the concepts of each card, and it's really fun to position them next to a deck with figures and watch the abstract images come into focus! The price is for the bold of heart only, but worth it to me since it, like Tyldwick, is in a category of its own.
You've made some really good points, James. Guess what... I have NO (fully) figureless decks! :O Perhaps Crow's Magick Tarot comes closest... I love Thoth for not showing faces I really like that color deck you have, but I feel perhaps I'm looking for more esoteric symbolism in my Tarot decks.
Oh wow, who'd have thought?! And I know what you mean! I think you might like the color deck, apparently the artist studied the Golden Dawn and esoteric subject very closely and created the deck from the traditional color scale (but without form). Hope all is well for you friend 💖💖💖
This was a great video and definitely made me think about some things! I’m a Pip reader through and through for the same reasons you talked about with the 5 of Wands… I’m so tired of having to explain why the 3 of Swords does not automatically, or really EVER in my readings, mean heartbreak or betrayal… but on the other hand I do like figures in the Court and Major cards. For me the Court cards are actual people either representing the querent or someone in their life and the Majors are more archetypal or foundational then the Pips so I do like stronger figures in those cards… The one deck you showed I REALLY didn’t like, at least as far as Tarot goes was (I think) the third deck (The one with the ink blot style art)… Now if that was sold to me as an Oracle deck I’d be all about it! That intuitive way of seeing how the abstract art bleeds into or conflicts with the cards around it I think is great and absolutely valid but, for me at least, that’s Oracle and not Tarot… When you look at a card and the only thing that tells you that card is a 4 of Cups is the label at the bottom of the card I start to have problems… lol
Thank you so much, and pips all the way 😆 Great point with the court cards, I do tend to agree that characters help to solidify the sort of personality they are usually meant to take on. Haha, I can see what you mean with the Taro as Colour 🤣 I believe the artist closely studied the Golden Dawn's practices and associations; then stuck to their system of color scales meant to be present on each of the cards (relating to elements, astrology, etc.) I think it is meant to keep with color but erase the form for a more visceral psychologic reaction. Personally, I would prefer it to have a bit more illustrative structure as well, but it's been fun to read with nonetheless. Best wishes friend 💚💚💚
@@jamesfeeney623 and I don’t mean to crap on that deck at all… if it works for you or anyone else then great! I’m just speaking for me that it would be more effective as an Oracle deck… if I pull a 5 of swords I want to see 5 sword like figures at least… for me if you go that abstract then you are more in the Oracle realm… it’s gorgeous and I can see how it can make for a great reader it just pushes the tarot system a bit too far lol
Thanks for addressing this topic James. There has been a lot of discussion on diversity and inclusion and needing to see oneself in decks. That may be important to some, but I don't feel there's a deck out there yet that successfully accomplishes that. Since we are populated by so many kinds of individuals, attempts at inclusion so far just seem tokenistically random or subconsciously offensive and certain to upset different people for different reasons and perhaps even create new stereotypes. I tend to read tarot as a book of cautions based on actions (which may not be the way others read it). So I need a deck to convey that in a manner that can be easily read without having to learn a new way to read non-character oriented cards. I guess I'd like to find a deck that conveys actions, suits and numbers in a way that is easy to identify. Perhaps a deck where abstract shapes or pips are performing the actions. My own deck, the Eyes Wide Tarot, was sort of an attempt at that, arranging most of the pip cards without characters in the way the elements would appear in the RWS without characters - for example in the 4 of swords, 3 swords stand upright and the 4th one reclines. Also there's the Spectrowhirl tarot, which is bright and colorful, but mostly needs to be read via the labelling as the images don't readily convey the action. Of course, I can read playing cards, but there I tend to translate the cards in my head to the RWS images I'm so familiar with. I'm not sure what the answer is, but I think it's a topic worth continuing a discussion on.
Such a great point! I totally agree that modern deck featuring people should be inclusive! I guess I am just not a fan of seeing any realistic people at all in my decks 🤣 You make some great points, your voice, creativity and presence in the community is so important, many thanks friend 💖💖💖
Thanks for sharing! Have you seen the Citadel Oracle? It has only hands and is beautifully illustrated line art that can make the hands belong to anyone. It is so vibrant & expressive as well as stunningly beautiful. I would be interested to know your thoughts on it. I combine specific (appealing to only one or two types of people) and neutral (similar to your figureless tarot label) or inclusive decks. I subbed :)
Beautiful personal explanation of figureless decks and the freedom with comes in it. Thank you 🔴
Very interesting with these decks, thank you 🥰❤
Oh my goodness! SUCH a lovely video topic and absolutely sTUNNiNG decks! Starlight dragon is definitely going on my Amazon wish list 🥰
Now, it would be great if you could show us a sample reading from those decks. 😊
I will think about a VR. ❤😊 You know I've got more than five figureless decks since landscape is a style I love! Ad Orbita has been on and off my list a few times -- I like you talking about how the astronomical/astrological helps you with reading it because I don't have much basis in plant associations either; that actually makes me wonder if it might pop back onto my list. Of the ones you've shown, I've got Tyldwick and Orbifold + like both. ❤❤
I would love to see it! Your style is so distinct and wonderful. Many thanks for stopping by friend 💛💛💛
Interesting topic and some beautiful decks I'd not seen before! I don't do well with figure-less decks, but love the Tyldwick and believe it is one of the most innovative decks ever. The Orbifold didn't seem to "tell" me much. So I passed it on. Check out the Abstract Futures tarot; that one seems to help me "feel" the concepts of each card, and it's really fun to position them next to a deck with figures and watch the abstract images come into focus! The price is for the bold of heart only, but worth it to me since it, like Tyldwick, is in a category of its own.
You've made some really good points, James. Guess what... I have NO (fully) figureless decks! :O
Perhaps Crow's Magick Tarot comes closest... I love Thoth for not showing faces
I really like that color deck you have, but I feel perhaps I'm looking for more esoteric symbolism in my Tarot decks.
Oh wow, who'd have thought?! And I know what you mean! I think you might like the color deck, apparently the artist studied the Golden Dawn and esoteric subject very closely and created the deck from the traditional color scale (but without form). Hope all is well for you friend 💖💖💖
This was a great video and definitely made me think about some things! I’m a Pip reader through and through for the same reasons you talked about with the 5 of Wands… I’m so tired of having to explain why the 3 of Swords does not automatically, or really EVER in my readings, mean heartbreak or betrayal… but on the other hand I do like figures in the Court and Major cards. For me the Court cards are actual people either representing the querent or someone in their life and the Majors are more archetypal or foundational then the Pips so I do like stronger figures in those cards… The one deck you showed I REALLY didn’t like, at least as far as Tarot goes was (I think) the third deck (The one with the ink blot style art)… Now if that was sold to me as an Oracle deck I’d be all about it! That intuitive way of seeing how the abstract art bleeds into or conflicts with the cards around it I think is great and absolutely valid but, for me at least, that’s Oracle and not Tarot… When you look at a card and the only thing that tells you that card is a 4 of Cups is the label at the bottom of the card I start to have problems… lol
Thank you so much, and pips all the way 😆 Great point with the court cards, I do tend to agree that characters help to solidify the sort of personality they are usually meant to take on. Haha, I can see what you mean with the Taro as Colour 🤣 I believe the artist closely studied the Golden Dawn's practices and associations; then stuck to their system of color scales meant to be present on each of the cards (relating to elements, astrology, etc.) I think it is meant to keep with color but erase the form for a more visceral psychologic reaction. Personally, I would prefer it to have a bit more illustrative structure as well, but it's been fun to read with nonetheless. Best wishes friend 💚💚💚
@@jamesfeeney623 and I don’t mean to crap on that deck at all… if it works for you or anyone else then great! I’m just speaking for me that it would be more effective as an Oracle deck… if I pull a 5 of swords I want to see 5 sword like figures at least… for me if you go that abstract then you are more in the Oracle realm… it’s gorgeous and I can see how it can make for a great reader it just pushes the tarot system a bit too far lol
Thanks for addressing this topic James. There has been a lot of discussion on diversity and inclusion and needing to see oneself in decks. That may be important to some, but I don't feel there's a deck out there yet that successfully accomplishes that. Since we are populated by so many kinds of individuals, attempts at inclusion so far just seem tokenistically random or subconsciously offensive and certain to upset different people for different reasons and perhaps even create new stereotypes. I tend to read tarot as a book of cautions based on actions (which may not be the way others read it). So I need a deck to convey that in a manner that can be easily read without having to learn a new way to read non-character oriented cards. I guess I'd like to find a deck that conveys actions, suits and numbers in a way that is easy to identify. Perhaps a deck where abstract shapes or pips are performing the actions. My own deck, the Eyes Wide Tarot, was sort of an attempt at that, arranging most of the pip cards without characters in the way the elements would appear in the RWS without characters - for example in the 4 of swords, 3 swords stand upright and the 4th one reclines. Also there's the Spectrowhirl tarot, which is bright and colorful, but mostly needs to be read via the labelling as the images don't readily convey the action. Of course, I can read playing cards, but there I tend to translate the cards in my head to the RWS images I'm so familiar with. I'm not sure what the answer is, but I think it's a topic worth continuing a discussion on.
Such a great point! I totally agree that modern deck featuring people should be inclusive! I guess I am just not a fan of seeing any realistic people at all in my decks 🤣 You make some great points, your voice, creativity and presence in the community is so important, many thanks friend 💖💖💖
Thanks for sharing! Have you seen the Citadel Oracle? It has only hands and is beautifully illustrated line art that can make the hands belong to anyone. It is so vibrant & expressive as well as stunningly beautiful. I would be interested to know your thoughts on it. I combine specific (appealing to only one or two types of people) and neutral (similar to your figureless tarot label) or inclusive decks. I subbed :)