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- [BEFORE YOU COMMENT ABOUT AUTOTUNE] To hear Henk Poort sing Sound of Silence WITHOUT autotune, listen to this: • Henk Poort - Sound of ...
Autotune is rarely used to make up for a deficit in a singer's ability anymore. If you think I'm saying he doesn't sing well, then you have a lot to learn about how music production works and how to listen to singers. Beste Zangers is a TV show that is edited in post. Every recording from this program needs to go through a level of editing and balancing to make up for the acoustic and make sure that the sound is acceptable across a wide range of audio devices. That's why an audio engineer chose to use auto tune. I hope you learned something today.
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Beautiful, his face said ‘yes I made it, especially for you ‘. 😍
Henk is the only singer who never used feedback earpiece in this show even for this song where he attempted to distort his voice for the first time during his career as a singer (just for Floor). The idea that he is autotuned seems like an insult. If at all, it is post production audio tweeking.
During the season you can pick up mistakes, pitchiness in some songs because it is live performance. Not for Henk or Floor tho. :)
It's not. You can hear the difference when you listen to the live. Not a bash on his ability.
@@BigBrainSinger i didnt say it was, only that it seems like. Also the shame is on those who autuned him (if they did) not you. I wouldnt foolow your channel if i didnt trust your ear. 👍
@@BigBrainSinger I have heared Him live, several times He was NOT autotuned here.
@@janklas7079 You went to Henks Solo tour ?
@@corneliusantonius3108 I have visited like 30 performances of him, including phantom of the opera in the last 30 years. I do hear WHY one would think he's autotuned, but he's not. This is his voice.
Autotune on Henk Poort??? You must be kidding man... Henk Poort was a PROFESSIONAL baritone (or bass) in big productions in the Netherlands LONG before the invention of autotune!!!
This version is better than the Disturbed version in my opinion. Henk's voice are simply more full of expression and passion.
But Henk is not afraid of doing new techniques with his voice - and that's because of Floor's impact on him and the show in general. Floor and Henk are close friends now, and I hope she is using him on her solo album - they are great together, which became obvious during the 9 extra shows. Henk is doing duet with Floor on an old ReVamp song also (besides Phantom....) and he is enjoying himself max - and enjoying his duets with Floor, which is quite understandable, while they are really phenomenal together.
The Resonance in his voice is awesome. There may be some post production tricks going on. If Henk floors even Floor with his performance it must be good. I saw them live in The hague, and his voice made the venue vibrate.
All of the songs recorded live at the show were studio-mixed for a simultatanious charts, Itunes, Spotify release together with the airing of the episodes of Beste Zangers. So on tv you're hearing the studio-mixed recordings taken from the live performances with some of the reaction sounds mixed in. I think there was about 4 or 5 months between the sessions on Ibiza and the airing of the actual show. That may explain a few things perhaps ;-)
Absolutely! Makes sense.
@@BigBrainSinger I do like it when I make sense sometimes :P Cheers
Thank you !
@@BigBrainSinger Maybe you could pin his comment
My brother passed January 5th and the Disturbed version was played because he loved Disturbed along with Metallica and IDC who sings this song it will be special for me.
Im so sorry for your loss 🙏
He is doing disturbeds version of simon & Garfunkel's Sound of silence ;-)
Season 2019 was (according to me) the best season of Beste Zangers.
Now you've heard an opera singer singing songs out of his comfort zone, but in season 2018 there was an opera singer called Maria Fiselier with her version of “Lose Yourself” (Eminem): czcams.com/video/8YyuIkVSx-8/video.html
Beste Zangers 2019 the best music show i ever see. I come in, want to see my Queen Floor is there. But then, Henk, Samantha, Emma, Rolf, Ruben, Tim. What amazing Artists.
Just FYI, no biggie, but his name is Henk (short for Hendrikus), never “Hank.” So many reactors insist on calling him Hank. Anyway, an excellent reaction. Insightful and professional. Thank you.
I don't think the technical producers for Beste Zangers were prepared for how powerful Floor and Henk's voices were. You can hear improvements to the recording quality in later episodes. Also, Henk went on Tour with Floor after this. They did Phantom there too. Much of the house band for Beste Zangers were the backing band. While there are no high quality recordings of those shows that I know of, you can hear them both go for it more there with a more prepared technical situation.
Floor still has one concert left to do in the series, which has been postponed quite a few times now due to our good friend Coronavirus. I have tickets for that show and am eagerly waiting for it to finally happen. There was a crowdfunding campaign done by Floor to have those shows (it's been split into 2 shows with half the audience each because of Covid) professionally recorded for everyone who can't be there. If I recall all the goals were funded so there should be some high quality footage of Floor and Henk doing their thing in the near future, hopefully.
@@RudyBleeker Ah you are correct. I thought that she had mentioned doing a high quality recording of that last show, maybe for a bluray and streaming release.
@@thtadthtshldntbe since it's been funded already, I'm hopeful it'll go straight to CZcams or other free streaming platforms
@@RudyBleeker part of me agrees with you, but with all the censorship floating around, I am reverting my thoughts to wanting to own all my own media again.
I saw the comment about her looking like an elf! That's what I thought when I saw this! \o/ Nice to know I'm not alone in that... Oh, and she looked just lovely as an elf too :) And yes, Henk is great!
Love your reaction, so full of knowledge. Love Henk (and Floor) for so long and your reaction 💚
Big Brain Singer there is no autotune involved here. Henk Poort had to learn it in 1.5 to 2 hours. I don't know where you get that from, but there was certainly no autotune involved.
From the actual audio sound. Never said it's because he needed it...
To hear Henk Poort sing Sound of Silence WITHOUT autotune, listen to this: czcams.com/video/NLt0OpxVEig/video.html
Autotune is rarely used to make up for a deficit in a singer's ability anymore. If you think I'm saying he doesn't sing well, then you have a lot to learn about how music production works and how to listen to singers. Beste Zangers is a TV show that is edited in post. Every recording from this program needs to go through a level of editing and balancing to make up for the acoustic and make sure that the sound is acceptable across a wide range of audio devices. That's why an audio engineer chose to use auto tune. I hope you learned something today.
@@BigBrainSinger You don't have to tell me what The Best Singer is for a TV show. There is only one thing you forget. The show is small-scale and therefore not comparable to a concert. There is no audience either. The only people present are the other artists and at a concert you always have an audience and it is much bigger. A singing voice can also be affected by weather conditions or if an artist is nervous or jittery during a live performance, which makes the voice sound different. What I do know is that no autotune was used here.
I love this performance. It really bothers me that YT took down Jenniezelf's translated versions of these performances. They were obviously not just replays of their copyrighted material. I hope Jennie can come to an arrangement with Avotros.
You can find most of the translated Denise Hofs versions on the "Daily Motion" platform and a few of them are back up on youtube (until avotros spots them again). Here's a link to this episode :) czcams.com/video/YvqyKUvbWF8/video.html
No autotune this is live
To hear Henk Poort sing Sound of Silence WITHOUT autotune, listen to this: czcams.com/video/NLt0OpxVEig/video.html
Autotune is rarely used to make up for a deficit in a singer's ability anymore. If you think I'm saying he doesn't sing well, then you have a lot to learn about how music production works and how to listen to singers. Beste Zangers is a TV show that is edited in post. Every recording from this program needs to go through a level of editing and balancing to make up for the acoustic and make sure that the sound is acceptable across a wide range of audio devices. That's why an audio engineer chose to use auto tune. I hope you learned something today.
@@BigBrainSinger lol that is comparing apples with oranges. One song a night.. or a whole concert.. as I said earlier... your credibility is gone..
@@BigBrainSinger There is some auto-tune, definitely.
But I think this recording and performance is much better than the one in your link:
czcams.com/video/8DtifLSGxZg/video.html
Henk is amazing!!❤
Autotuned? That's just his voice.
Go listen to him singing this live in concert. You'll hear the difference.
@@BigBrainSinger yeah right 2 different venues one at a poolside in ibiza and one in a load poor acaustic setting. filmed by fan cams .
Lost a sub.
@@BigBrainSinger I have heared him live. Did you? This performance was NOT autotuned.
@@BigBrainSinger I did on Floors solo tour. Maybe this helps: czcams.com/video/fcEvZqK4n0M/video.html Innamorato | 4 baritons. The sound quality in The Hague was pretty good, but indeed less polished but that could alsoo be the (rock) set up and venue.
To hear Henk Poort sing Sound of Silence WITHOUT autotune, listen to this: czcams.com/video/NLt0OpxVEig/video.html
Autotune is rarely used to make up for a deficit in a singer's ability anymore. If you think I'm saying he doesn't sing well, then you have a lot to learn about how music production works and how to listen to singers. Beste Zangers is a TV show that is edited in post. Every recording from this program needs to go through a level of editing and balancing to make up for the acoustic and make sure that the sound is acceptable across a wide range of audio devices. That's why an audio engineer chose to use auto tune. I hope you learned something today.
This was not autotuned.
I wonder have you been to more of his classical singing like this ? Innamorato | 4 baritons : czcams.com/video/fcEvZqK4n0M/video.html 👀
if you listen to him sing this same song at a live concert, you'll hear the difference.
@@BigBrainSinger No, you don't. It maybe don't sound the same because Beste Zangers is not filmed with a telephone. But it is both live, with no autotune.
@@BigBrainSingerI don’t her the difference and hear him many times live
He was singing it especially for Floor.
Lol, the link you posted is just prove there is no autotune what so ever in this show. Sound just as great as here in the "Beste Zangers"
Bravo! Bravo, Henk! 👏
Charlie, please hit some more Manowar one of these days. There are some delicious low notes strewn about their discography...
No autotune here he is just that good yes some of us are just that good and he is even better
Autotuning so much?!? There might be (and probably is) some fine tuning in the post-production. But there is no notable ”autotuning effect” anywhere to be heard in here. So from where does that ”too much” come from?
Or are you referring to the ”original” Disturbed version? In that you could definitely hear the autotune...
Maybe my ear is more sensitive to it.
Go listen to him sing it in a live performance. There's a clear difference
@@BigBrainSinger Well, I am a REALLY autotune-sensitive person. So. I’m just wondering how I’m not getting that vibe from this performance. Also Henk is so seasoned professional - and is right on pitch on his pre-autotune era live recordings - that I really wonder if you are hearing what you think you are hearing...
@@BigBrainSinger you mean like this czcams.com/video/NLt0OpxVEig/video.html ? Yep, Henk is definitely a little bit out of tune in some places. But it is a totally different performance and totally different circumstances. He might not hear the band properly, the crowd noices and their sing-a-long might also get him a little off. His voice - or he himself - might be tired. Not concentrating 100 %. Or... and recorded via phone mics, which is not an ideal thing either.
In Beste zangers the performance was recorded in quite an intimate and controllable situation. He probably did hear the band - and get the tune - much easier without earbuds, than he does in the larger crowd situations. The overall noise might make it even difficult to hear his own voice properly sometimes in these mass concert situations (not in real concert halls and with electronic instruments).
And I am not denying there is some (a lot) post-production made. Definitely there is. And maybe some fine tuning done to his pitch also. But I am not hearing ”too much autotuning” at all. Sorry.
I did hear the post production auto tune on Disturbeds Conan performance which he explicitly did not want. But when I saw Disturbed live I assure you there was no autotune. Fantastic performance as is this one. Mr. Poort has YEARS of experience and if there was auto tune he certainly didn't need it.
Don't get the auto tube thing. Like I can't hear it at all.
listen to him singing it at a live concert. You'll hear the difference.
Bravo Henk
Autotuned? No. A bit tweaked afterwards? Yes. I have seen him on multiple shows, he doesn’t need autotune. You say you can hear the difference between this and another performance of his. I have a performance here for you and you tell me how the quality of his singing is any different: czcams.com/video/DKPLBu-413E/video.html (it’s Dutch but that doesn’t matter for the singing).
To hear Henk Poort sing Sound of Silence WITHOUT autotune, listen to this: czcams.com/video/NLt0OpxVEig/video.html
Autotune is rarely used to make up for a deficit in a singer's ability anymore. If you think I'm saying he doesn't sing well, then you have a lot to learn about how music production works and how to listen to singers. Beste Zangers is a TV show that is edited in post. Every recording from this program needs to go through a level of editing and balancing to make up for the acoustic and make sure that the sound is acceptable across a wide range of audio devices. That's why an audio engineer chose to use auto tune. I hope you learned something today.
@@BigBrainSinger that is one of the worst performances I have ever heard from him. Where do I imply that you are saying he isn’t singing well? That denigrating tone of yours in your videos towards your twitchers and now in this comment is reason enough for me not to watch any of your videos anymore. Bye
This is an excellent performance. He did this classic in "Disturbed's style". So notice how red (😠) his head turned when he used the "distortion" (which is an absolute no no to the "serious" opera singer). As a Henk's long time fan girl Floor asked politely him to do it and also coached him. Anyway i really feared that his head will explode at any time. Haha, fortunately not and we had a wonderful and emotional experience. ⛄👍
She never asked and coached him for this. She didn't know that he would do this. That's why her reaction is genuine
@@robhofkes3221 Oh yes, not with this but before the "Phantom" duet if i remember correct. Somewhere i heard or red it.
@fokka from what i know and heared she didn't coached him either for the Phantom number. Henk was tought by another vocal coach to do this.
@@robhofkes3221 I've definitely heard or red otherwise. Let us not stuck with this. The results are excellent. ⛄👍
Agree with that. That song sounds amazing
Autotune? I mean, AUTOTUNE????? REALLY CHARLIE?!?!?! SERIOUSLY???? Henk Poort!!!? Heard this guy live, would never ever need autotune being the professional opera and musical singer he is. Come on.
To hear Henk Poort sing Sound of Silence WITHOUT autotune, listen to this: czcams.com/video/NLt0OpxVEig/video.html
Autotune is rarely used to make up for a deficit in a singer's ability anymore. If you think I'm saying he doesn't sing well, then you have a lot to learn about how music production works and how to listen to singers. Beste Zangers is a TV show that is edited in post. Every recording from this program needs to go through a level of editing and balancing to make up for the acoustic and make sure that the sound is acceptable across a wide range of audio devices. That's why an audio engineer chose to use auto tune. I hope you learned something today.
@@BigBrainSinger point seen, taken and granted, and thanks for the lesson. I stand corrected and not to bigheaded to admit that.
Autotune? There is no autotune on this show... you are a joke bro..🤣
you know he did phantom 6 times a week....no need for autotune
He IS doing Disturbed's version, complete with the awful tuning. But less so, it's not too bad. And to people who are SO SURE it is not tuned...learn to listen, as Charlie says at the end of all these. Because if you cannot hear it, then the industry has already managed to make this the norm to consumer's ears. There's almost none of these shows that don't use it in post, at least. From what I understand, both Draiman and Poort didn't want it on there. You can always claim that, I guess. But they have no say in that, no reason to not believe them.
there is no autotune used. that's a downright insult.
It's not... To hear Henk Poort sing Sound of Silence WITHOUT autotune, listen to this: czcams.com/video/NLt0OpxVEig/video.html
Autotune is rarely used to make up for a deficit in a singer's ability anymore. If you think I'm saying he doesn't sing well, then you have a lot to learn about how music production works and how to listen to singers. Beste Zangers is a TV show that is edited in post. Every recording from this program needs to go through a level of editing and balancing to make up for the acoustic and make sure that the sound is acceptable across a wide range of audio devices. That's why an audio engineer chose to use auto tune. I hope you learned something today.
@@BigBrainSinger I know that with auto-tune the sound is sometimes cooked. when you talk about that, come on, I understand.
But autotune is and remains for me that shitty thing that sometimes messes up life music, lifted B-artists unjustly, and in general is an undervaluation or overvaluation of the artist with whom it is used.
I'm not talking about the times it is used as an artistic toy. "cher", "kanye".
I'd be interested to hear from those who claim to be able to hear autotune, what exactly it is that you're hearing?
Is it something in the phase domain? Or, as I've thought, is it that, if one pitch corrects the fundamental, the harmonics will get progressively more wrong as the harmonic order increases? (ie, a 2% correction at F1 becomes 4% at F2, 8% at F3, 16% at F4, etc.) Then, when you consider the non-linerarity of human hearing, such that we are more sensitive to harmonic errors if they are of higher or odd order...
What is autotune doing, in what ways and in which domain, (frequency, time, phase) such that a trained listener can consistently distinguish autotune from other signal processing?
I often hear analysts call "autotune!"... But they never say why and how.
Be the first on CZcams to actually break this down... If anyone can do it, you can.
(For what it's worth, I was a Sonar Technician, so I tend to think about sound in terms of its structure and behavior... Which are really weird.)
Disturbed - The Sound Of Silence [Official Music Video] / Disturbed
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Simon & Garfunkel - The Sound of Silence (from The Concert in Central Park) / SimonGarfunkelVEVO
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this is not autotuned.
To hear Henk Poort sing Sound of Silence WITHOUT autotune, listen to this: czcams.com/video/NLt0OpxVEig/video.html
Autotune is rarely used to make up for a deficit in a singer's ability anymore. If you think I'm saying he doesn't sing well, then you have a lot to learn about how music production works and how to listen to singers. Beste Zangers is a TV show that is edited in post. Every recording from this program needs to go through a level of editing and balancing to make up for the acoustic and make sure that the sound is acceptable across a wide range of audio devices. That's why an audio engineer chose to use auto tune. I hope you learned something today.
@@BigBrainSinger I know what autotune is. I've worked with it when it just "came out" (1997) when I made house music (here known as hardcore). Auto-Tune can correct a singer's "bad notes" and "crappy" pitch.
Beste Zangers is touched up for broadcasting and for the album releases. You also can't compare a crappy phone recording with this. Also the link you gave is a gig with Floor Jansen were he's doing multiple songs instead of just 1 song (this is also noticeable in the voice).
Also De Beste zangers is aired for many years and still is an ongoing show. If you listen to the years before and even after you definitely hear singers sing bad notes and have wavering pitches.
They stated everything is live without autotune, but yes they do some audio edit. But as I just said you can hear people "mess up" some songs(little faults) , they don't correct that.. So why would they do that with Henk Poort?
Edit: if you compared it with the Disturbed version, you can clearly hear the massive autotuning on the "Disturbed version". But not on the "Henk Poort version".
Strong baritone? Isn't much of this in a tenor range?
Hiya, I heard you remark this on other besteZangers' clips: what's up with autotune?
1. How do you know? Can you tell me how to recognise autotune?
2. Are you really sure about the use of autotune, as I heard other performances that were not that good, and were aired that way (just saying)?
Are you sure that singers with more thanX years of stage experience need autotune?
Or is it an American thing that without a performer has no credibility? As most pop artists from the US that I hear cannot sing a live concert to save their lives!
Please clarify so I understand...
Go listen to his live version of this recorded by a fan cam and listen to the difference. It's not a bash on his singing, more of a choice made by the audio engineer in post.
Never said anyone *needs* auto tune
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@@BigBrainSinger Ahh ok, thanks for the explanation. I was wondering, but you were commenting on the post production. I think we can agree that they can do only so much ;)
Autotune, even if used ever so slightly, immediately sounds unnatural and metallic to me. But then again, my ears have been tuned by 70s, 80s, and early 90s singers, who had to have actual talent to make it on record.
No autotuned !
Floors face, told more, as every comment 😊
Autotuned????? No sir, this is great, uncomfortable?? Took him 2 hours
Henk Poort is not autotuned
To hear Henk Poort sing Sound of Silence WITHOUT autotune, listen to this: czcams.com/video/NLt0OpxVEig/video.html
Autotune is rarely used to make up for a deficit in a singer's ability anymore. If you think I'm saying he doesn't sing well, then you have a lot to learn about how music production works and how to listen to singers. Beste Zangers is a TV show that is edited in post. Every recording from this program needs to go through a level of editing and balancing to make up for the acoustic and make sure that the sound is acceptable across a wide range of audio devices. That's why an audio engineer chose to use auto tune. I hope you learned something today.
I generally don't really like Henk Poort in these songs. In musicals (which he usually does) his voice really shines, cause it's so expressive. But when he's singing different songs, the vibrato that usually adds to his expression, comes through much clearer. It's a very prominent vibrato. From what I can hear, it spans more than an octave, and I just don't think it sounds good in this setting. And he does it all the time...
Sorry, they did not autotune Henk....no need...
Hello my friend great reaction thanks..
Please check out the new Beste zangers van Nederland 2023...there are already 2 chapters played...thank you.
Have a wonderful weekend
autotune?? No way this is the real deal
just a little. Can be distracting if you know what to listen for.
0 autotune sir.
Listen to him sing this at a live concert, you'll be able to hear the difference...
You should totally do double reaction containing Nightwish - Our decades in the Sun and Samantha's (blonde woman) cover of it, in Dutch! Nightwish never performed it live, 'cause it's too emotional. Samantha sang it to Floor!
Nightwish:
czcams.com/video/8NC7259TPgE/video.html
Samantha:
czcams.com/video/6kxocWr0YHI/video.html
Henk is trying his best to sing it... but he doesn't feel it... big difference....
No autotune on beste zangers ( = "best singers", ...autotune is for pop kiddies, who can't sing)
autotuning him so much... lol you just lost all creditability .. there is no autotune on this show... LMAO.. bye bye
Sush
if you give less commentary and listen to the music more, you will do everyone a great favor.
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Imagine if autotune wasn't only used for pitch correction
Than you get that Cher song "Do you Believe"
To hear Henk Poort sing Sound of Silence WITHOUT autotune, listen to this: czcams.com/video/NLt0OpxVEig/video.html
Autotune is rarely used to make up for a deficit in a singer's ability anymore. If you think I'm saying he doesn't sing well, then you have a lot to learn about how music production works and how to listen to singers. Beste Zangers is a TV show that is edited in post. Every recording from this program needs to go through a level of editing and balancing to make up for the acoustic and make sure that the sound is acceptable across a wide range of audio devices. That's why an audio engineer chose to use auto tune. I hope you learned something today.