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I’m looking at this more as an iPad replacement than a pc replacement. Love the portability, battery life, silent nature and pen support of the iPad. But I’ve gotten frustrated with its software limitations. So whatever compatibly issues this thing has, is still leaps and bounds better than the iPads lack of software because of the simple reason that apple doesn’t want it there
The iPad is a tablet, the surface pro is a laptop which also can be used as a tablet / watching multimedia device (because of W11). W11 has been improving the tablet experience a lot, but it’s quite not there yet. I bought a Samsung Tab S8 and I use it as tablet + almost desktop and it’s great; then I have a Windows laptop. I sold my surface pro because i wanted more tablet feeling and W11 doesn’t provide. Android is a very good tablet experience, personal computer and most things I need from W11 I can do there. But it is not a complete replacement. Nor W11 is a replacement for a tablet…
Nowhere near as good as an iPad; it’s a mediocre tablet and a lousy laptop. I guess it’s great that it lasts longer being mediocre as an overall device.
@@TexasPanhandler the surface can do everything an iPad can do and a lot more. The iPad could be great, but it’s held back by apple. It’s a shame really, all that power gone to waste
Thank you for your honest feedback and review on this device. Would you say these new ARM surface devices (pro 11 or laptop) are great for cosing purposes? Running Visual Studio, SQL server, Postman etc?
The thing I love with the Surface Pro 11 is it offers a full desktop OS in a tablet format. I do wish the UI was more optimised for Touch and smaller screens.
I have to say that you have a lot of technical information at your fingertips, and that's a good thing for any reviewer. For me, though, you seem to enjoy the sound of your own voice too much - you tend to pontificate on, mostly, areas of opinion rather than the other. Not to say you can't give an opinion in moderation, but when elaborated too much and too often it very distinctly comes across as implying motive and, perhaps, criticism based primarily upon your opinion.
Framing mode is quite useful, with earphones I can put the Surface on the counter and do something else while talking still being visible, I can leave my daughter in front of it and let her mother see her despite fact that she's always on the move. Anyway thank you your video. Waiting for long term review!
I am happy so far with my purchase of the same unit as your review. However, I was disappointed when I couldn't install most of my Adobe apps, especially Illustrator. I installed Photoshop, but haven't tried to run it yet.
For the laptops I agree that I'd take performance some of the time, or more accurately I'd take a bigger battery and trade off weight instead. But the Surface? The Surface is a big phone with Windows in it already. It's a media consumption device with a keyboard to write emails. It needs two things: running a browser and staying on. The Surface's biggest flaw has always been its battery life. It's the reason I brought a second device with me when travelling. I don't need it to be the most performant thing. For that, ASUS makes a hybrid with a discrete GPU in it for the same price. What I want from Surface Pro is basically meeting the iPad Pro where that's at with a full desktop OS and that kickstand form factor which should be the default for all tablets. On that front, this is enticing, although I'd like to get more granular info on how much better the battery life is on normal tasks and with no fan noise. The fast on/off with no battery drain is a big plus already, though, because traditional Intel windows portable devices have unacceptable behavior when on sleep. The first time someone got their laptop bag hotboxed by a laptop that seemed to be turned off except for radiating the heat of a small star the entire thing should have been reworked from scratch.
Can you test out drawing applications? Can this handle photoshop, clip paint studio, krita, etc? Does it emulate those well. Any pen lag? Can it handle large brush size and canvas sizes? In other words is this a good ARM Device for artists?
The screen looks very reflective. My only bugbear with my Surface pro 8 is how reflective the screen is., especially in a brightly lit office. Is there a matte or glossy finish on the screen?
I daily drive the Galaxy Book S with Qualcomm 8cx since 2020. Ever since windows 11 came, I was able to run Matlab, python, Julia, c++, fortran on it without issues. Python has native arm support btw. I also tried fusion 360 and it runs fine. I wanted to try inventor pro and solidworks but did not have the license. I guess the point is 8cx is really underpowered, so x elite should be fine for some STEM related software.
Which Asus tablet you said you are using? I am debating between the Asus Pro Art PX13, or PZ13, and the Surface Pro 11 OLED. Which would you recommend?
I have the Z13 Acronym. If you need a gpu, the z13 4060 model is excellent as well. Best Buy recently had it on sale for under $1500. I would probably pick the SP11 over Asus, unless you need a real gpu.
Hey man, how do you able to get so many views and funds to buy so many products while just having a top down view of these products on your table while some other ave to shoot so much with so many B rolls?
I have the surface pro 9 with the 10 core i5. Its single Core performance is between 21 to 2300 on geek bench. Not far behind the x elite single core. Its multicore only scores 8600. I still have all the benefits of putting it in performance mode when not plugged in. Obviously that consumes a lot more battery life during that time, but I have all the access to its performance if need be.. as it stands, there is no benefit to upgrading to the snapdragon version. The AI technology in the snapdragon version will be worth it in the future but as of right now there isn’t enough things that utilize it. Better battery life seems to be the biggest take. I have not run into a problem with my current version of not having enough battery life when I needed it. I can get 6 to 9 hours on my current surface. Honestly, I would look for the sales on the surface pro nines first., try and get a 16 gig model
No, the bootloader is currently locked. I think WSL will be fully up and running by the end of the year and Qualcomm may release Linux-only device licenses eventually.
MS killed the Windows subsystem for Android. May have done it, as Apple does, to protect the Android tablet market as having X Elite laptops running Android would hurt Android tablet sales and upset their customers (OEMs).
@@ahaimes6320 damn I did not know they already killed it !! I thought that project was meant to mature over time. Ohh so you mean PC manufacturers who also manufacture Android tablet might have reached Microsoft to request killing the project ??!! Very much possible. But is there any such news ?
With Intel's Lunar Lake supposedly being significantly more efficient than Meteor Lake, I think the next version of the Surface Pro that comes with a Lunar Lake CPU will make the ARM version look like a weird choice if that efficiency gain provides at least 3 more hours of battery life + restrained heat output.
It was nice to see your excitement on getting a new device but i must say after watching very closely for months and listening to the extreme hype from qualcomm and microsoft it is a little hard to go easy on them now but i will anyway. The cpu is actually good and gets good benchmarks but is fighting a translation layer. The gpu is more towards cell phone than pc level, i doubt any real 4k editing is likely and so the oled loses abit of its usefulness and charm for that use. We all know that gpus are important these days. The prism layer is not looking ready for primetime yet from the reviews. The NPU has no real current use except for blurring backgrounds which gpus do just fine. I could easily be wrong and it is just an opinion, but i feel $2100 after tax for 16gb and 512gb ssd that is for watching youtube videos mainly and browsing and emails is just a really hard sell for most people.
I paid 1300€ for the OLED 16Go 512Mo version on Microsoft account and this is with the VAT. Where did you get the 2100$? Also, where do you see davinci Resolve working much better on the Surface Pro 10 than on this one ?
@@jeanbaptistelabelle the links themselves from this gentleman who made the video list the prices as $1499.99 for the surface pro 11 plus $449 for the keyboard with pen plus 8% tax=$2100. I did not mention davinci resolve.
@@Techno_Rama you know that you can take the normal keyboard for 139 ? Also, you include the pen which obviously is not something you have on a Mac or traditional PC. If you want simply a laptop, you take a Surface Laptop. This Surface Pro replaced a laptop and a tablet. What other combo do you recommend for much cheaper?
@@jeanbaptistelabelle If you are happy with the Surface Pro then what i think is not important. It is just my opinion and i don't have the product in hand, like you do. Personally i probably would wait 3 weeks to see what the new ryzen laptop chips from amd will offer, as they may be very good.
@@Techno_Rama sure. But the value proposition here is, for the first time, to have the cake and eat it. This is what Apple users have enjoyed since the M1 introduction. Great performance in a silent and long lasting slim package. I do not know what is for you the demographic of an iPad Pro + MK + stylus at 2200€ versus 1500 for this SP11 but there is a public for that. And many people, like me, have no interest to carry a 3kg gaming laptop. Let's be realistic: until today, there was NO light laptop / 2-in-1 with enough performance for most tasks (beyond gaming) and even less that could last more than 4-5 hours of real usage while also not dividing the performance by half when unplugged. So this is clearly a revolution. And if it was necessary for AMD or Intel to, at last, propose something competitive, so be it. It had at least this merit.
@@christianr.5868 yeah but it's still a virtual machine that will take away CPU power and RAM for a whole Android OS just to run individual apps.... still far from running a native app.
MS killed the Windows subsystem for Android. It stops working at the end of the year. I assume they did it to prevent the leak of customers away from Android tablets which will hopefully be coming soon. I assume OEMs did not want Android compatibility on Windows machines as that would likely make it less cost-effective to build X Plus Android tablets. It is exactly what Apple does, not competing against itself in the ultra-competitive PC market (macOS running on iPads).
@@ahaimes6320 apple not making a 2 in 1 with MacOS is the reason I’m switching to the surface from the iPad. They could definitely do do it and have both products be successful, like the surface pro and the surface laptop. But instead they’re charging the same amount of money or more for an artificially limited experience on IPadOS. There’s no reason why the damn M4 iPad shouldn’t be able to emulate games as well as a $200 android handheld. Other than the fact that apple doesn’t want people to have access to jit
it's funny how apple consumers always blow their loads when they finally get features that everyone else has had for a decade and is basically standard in every other company....... i.g. swipe-to-text, AOD, oled, usb c, face unlock(on computers), anything involving customization, etc etc etc. lmao
The benchmark are not synthetic. They are real. Even software going through translation later gets 85% performance compared to Intel 13th Gen. It's real, man. Battery life in snapdragon goes as far as 27hrs. That's far much more than you can ever dream to get. These things are highly recommended. Your recommendations seem to be highly personal than factual. Native arm software has crazy performance far much more than x86. Same with Apple, these speeds are just synthetic.
Battery life is very subjective, and 27 hours is only achievable if you watch local media with everything else off and low brightness. Actual workflows are much less, and I have seen reviews with as low as 4 hours and an average of about 8 hours of SOT (not standby). These figures are for the OLED devices. The better SOT has been on low-resolution IPS panels running at 24Hz. As for performance, I'd like to point out that benchmarks could be more realistic as they thrash the cores without considering the OS, optimisation, OEM power settings, app compatibility, etc. For example, a few of these X Elite devices throttle 33% (Vivobook) when on battery to fake battery life. Even Samsung throttles on battery. So, no revolution. Watch Max Tech MB Pro M3 Pro versus Surface Laptop for an actual pointer as to how far the X Elite is behind as of the here and now. It is shocking.
It's a beautiful bit of hardware, but at nearly $,2000 for properly configured Pro with keyboard/pen.... I'll just keep my $600 Robo & Kala Snapdragon 8CX (Gen 3) system. Configured with 512BG of storage, 16GB of memory, Windows 11 runs great on it, as does LibreOffice and social media and video consumption. I bought the R&K when they were first released and on sale (normally $800). That included the keyboard folio and a stylus (which works great with Microsoft Journal). It isn't really that the R&K is such a great little laptop (although it certainly is). The important message is that the R&K tells us what these devices should REALLY cost! The R&K proves that major manufacturers have been ripping us off for years.
Many need to work. Some VPNs, Google Drive, most games, Adobe Cloud, and many missing drivers. That means no eGPU and no Linux (bootloader also locked). My printer needs to be fixed, and may never get the WOA drivers.
@ahaimes6320 what you mentioned is so niche that you answered to your own interrogation. My old HP printer works without any issue. Who is using Adobe Cloud ? What for? Elite X are NOT gaming machine. Forget it. Some VPN ? Why would you be dependant from one specific VPN in particular? Why not use the one integrated in Windows? And complaining about not being able to use Linux? Why not take a Mac in this case?
I understand that Android will no longer be available on Windows. In fact, it is closed access and will be shut down at the end of the year. So, that is no longer a positive for Windows and lessens the tablet's ability. At this price, I recommend something like an X Elite HP or VIVOBOOK and a Tab S9 combo for a superior laptop and tablet experience.
The price of this, especially the keyboard cover, is insane. When you consider the lack of support and the long term unreliability of Surface devices in the past it's too much of a risk to be putting out that kind of money. Just Josh's livestream with all the ARM laptops showed compatibility is an absolute dumpster fire on launch.
I need to be honest - I don't think it's worth buying. I bought Surface Pro 3 with a keyboard. It was OK. But after two years it broke, I bought a small form wireless keyboard and a small portable mouse both still lighter than the dedicated one. Now I'm using it with Surface Go 3. And if you really want that fancy keyboard why not to wait a bit and buy with a discount from one of retailers?
The Surface lineup includes ultra-premium models, much like Apple and for many of us they are currently poor value compared with what else is out there. But for people that can afford them they are great devices.
A mediocre device with a much better processor. Great that Apple was able to blaze the trail for Microsoft with ARM. Get a laptop if that’s what you want.
I think this is a very niche product….lost in a huge jungle of laptops…..they theoretically have better battery life….but that’s it…you will have to be a person really into tech or just picking one up by accident because you didn’t know any better…..apple has the power to change anything they want and it’s a done deal…with Microsoft ….its a free for all
What you are saying doesn't make sense. Every major windows laptop manufacturer has an entry for the ARM processor and operating system. Updates are going to occur because all of them have invested into it. The argument you are making about "free for all" has always been true with each new operating system release. Drivers never get automatic upgrades on Windows when the operating system changes. What is different here? Windows 12 will be out soon in combination with all of this. Apple is different because there are very few options to choose from with a monopoly in play.
@@jeffer2350 true….and that monopoly is their strength….remember Apple has done a this architecture change I believe 4 times…so they are good at it….they went from PowerPC chips to intel and now to Arm….which meant rewriting their OS to match….and anyone who wanted to create software for a Mac…was forced to rewrite it for whatever Apple is using at the time….nobody on the windows side is being forced…and so adoption rates are going to be very slow….there’s nothing wrong with these computers…but they aren’t competing with Apple…they are competing against other windows laptops…not to mention desktops….i have a windows desktop with a Ryzen 7900x and an Rtx 3090….these are toys compared to That….including the MacBook Air….if you go looking at windows laptops right now…it’s an absolute nightmare….and you’ll have to look specifically for these in order to find them…just saying 🤓
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I’m looking at this more as an iPad replacement than a pc replacement. Love the portability, battery life, silent nature and pen support of the iPad. But I’ve gotten frustrated with its software limitations. So whatever compatibly issues this thing has, is still leaps and bounds better than the iPads lack of software because of the simple reason that apple doesn’t want it there
The iPad is a tablet, the surface pro is a laptop which also can be used as a tablet / watching multimedia device (because of W11). W11 has been improving the tablet experience a lot, but it’s quite not there yet. I bought a Samsung Tab S8 and I use it as tablet + almost desktop and it’s great; then I have a Windows laptop. I sold my surface pro because i wanted more tablet feeling and W11 doesn’t provide. Android is a very good tablet experience, personal computer and most things I need from W11 I can do there. But it is not a complete replacement. Nor W11 is a replacement for a tablet…
@@ricarmig it is for my needs
@@christianr.5868 you’ll have a great device!
Nowhere near as good as an iPad; it’s a mediocre tablet and a lousy laptop. I guess it’s great that it lasts longer being mediocre as an overall device.
@@TexasPanhandler the surface can do everything an iPad can do and a lot more. The iPad could be great, but it’s held back by apple. It’s a shame really, all that power gone to waste
Can you check out the ASIO driver compatibility and audio production performance?
Thank you for your honest feedback and review on this device. Would you say these new ARM surface devices (pro 11 or laptop) are great for cosing purposes? Running Visual Studio, SQL server, Postman etc?
The thing I love with the Surface Pro 11 is it offers a full desktop OS in a tablet format. I do wish the UI was more optimised for Touch and smaller screens.
How is the writing experience on the OLED screen?
how long is the battery life?
I have to say that you have a lot of technical information at your fingertips, and that's a good thing for any reviewer. For me, though, you seem to enjoy the sound of your own voice too much - you tend to pontificate on, mostly, areas of opinion rather than the other. Not to say you can't give an opinion in moderation, but when elaborated too much and too often it very distinctly comes across as implying motive and, perhaps, criticism based primarily upon your opinion.
Display less reflective the new Book4 360 alike?
Framing mode is quite useful, with earphones I can put the Surface on the counter and do something else while talking still being visible, I can leave my daughter in front of it and let her mother see her despite fact that she's always on the move.
Anyway thank you your video. Waiting for long term review!
I am happy so far with my purchase of the same unit as your review. However, I was disappointed when I couldn't install most of my Adobe apps, especially Illustrator. I installed Photoshop, but haven't tried to run it yet.
For the laptops I agree that I'd take performance some of the time, or more accurately I'd take a bigger battery and trade off weight instead.
But the Surface? The Surface is a big phone with Windows in it already. It's a media consumption device with a keyboard to write emails. It needs two things: running a browser and staying on.
The Surface's biggest flaw has always been its battery life. It's the reason I brought a second device with me when travelling. I don't need it to be the most performant thing. For that, ASUS makes a hybrid with a discrete GPU in it for the same price. What I want from Surface Pro is basically meeting the iPad Pro where that's at with a full desktop OS and that kickstand form factor which should be the default for all tablets.
On that front, this is enticing, although I'd like to get more granular info on how much better the battery life is on normal tasks and with no fan noise. The fast on/off with no battery drain is a big plus already, though, because traditional Intel windows portable devices have unacceptable behavior when on sleep. The first time someone got their laptop bag hotboxed by a laptop that seemed to be turned off except for radiating the heat of a small star the entire thing should have been reworked from scratch.
Look it will take time . This is actually made me more interested than anything. I'm not gonna jump immediately but surely next purchase
My flex keyboard is not working wirelessly. I've had to reset windows once and i've had a dozen BSODs in 3 days.
Can you test out drawing applications? Can this handle photoshop, clip paint studio, krita, etc? Does it emulate those well. Any pen lag? Can it handle large brush size and canvas sizes? In other words is this a good ARM Device for artists?
Photoshop, gimp, Leonardo, and the affinity suite all have native arm support right now
I wish that CSP and Krita had support
@@Dave102693 should run under the emulation layer. I wish I could find some tests on youtube
Wouldnt you need an OlEd to notice how good an OLED display is?
The screen looks very reflective. My only bugbear with my Surface pro 8 is how reflective the screen is., especially in a brightly lit office. Is there a matte or glossy finish on the screen?
Exactly! I got the Galaxy Book 4 Edge for this reason
Why not get a matte screen protector?
@@christianr.5868 I do have one for my surface pro 8, but it's a bit "scratchy" and I'd prefer it if the screen was natively less reflective
@@davidmorris934 ah that makes sense
I care a lot about compatibility. Do some STEM apps work on this ARM chip? like MATLAB, Python, Origin, Chemdraw, MestReNova, etc
I daily drive the Galaxy Book S with Qualcomm 8cx since 2020. Ever since windows 11 came, I was able to run Matlab, python, Julia, c++, fortran on it without issues. Python has native arm support btw. I also tried fusion 360 and it runs fine. I wanted to try inventor pro and solidworks but did not have the license. I guess the point is 8cx is really underpowered, so x elite should be fine for some STEM related software.
Which Asus tablet you said you are using? I am debating between the Asus Pro Art PX13, or PZ13, and the Surface Pro 11 OLED. Which would you recommend?
I have the Z13 Acronym. If you need a gpu, the z13 4060 model is excellent as well. Best Buy recently had it on sale for under $1500. I would probably pick the SP11 over Asus, unless you need a real gpu.
Why I feel these all devices going surface x way?
Can the Snapdragon chips run most major windows programs?
yes
Yes, but at a performance hit for non-arm compatible x86 apps.
Hey man, how do you able to get so many views and funds to buy so many products while just having a top down view of these products on your table while some other ave to shoot so much with so many B rolls?
I have the surface pro 9 with the 10 core i5. Its single Core performance is between 21 to 2300 on geek bench. Not far behind the x elite single core. Its multicore only scores 8600. I still have all the benefits of putting it in performance mode when not plugged in. Obviously that consumes a lot more battery life during that time, but I have all the access to its performance if need be.. as it stands, there is no benefit to upgrading to the snapdragon version. The AI technology in the snapdragon version will be worth it in the future but as of right now there isn’t enough things that utilize it. Better battery life seems to be the biggest take. I have not run into a problem with my current version of not having enough battery life when I needed it. I can get 6 to 9 hours on my current surface. Honestly, I would look for the sales on the surface pro nines first., try and get a 16 gig model
can we dual boot linux on this? gnome distros are so much better than windows.
No, the bootloader is currently locked. I think WSL will be fully up and running by the end of the year and Qualcomm may release Linux-only device licenses eventually.
its insane that the kb and pen cost as much as a PS5 which is FAR more complicated
you can buy the basic one at 139
Can't we run Android apps given that we are on ARM? I mean do we have something like WSA for arm?
MS killed the Windows subsystem for Android. May have done it, as Apple does, to protect the Android tablet market as having X Elite laptops running Android would hurt Android tablet sales and upset their customers (OEMs).
@@ahaimes6320 damn I did not know they already killed it !! I thought that project was meant to mature over time. Ohh so you mean PC manufacturers who also manufacture Android tablet might have reached Microsoft to request killing the project ??!! Very much possible. But is there any such news ?
Please Microsoft make this cellular!
With Intel's Lunar Lake supposedly being significantly more efficient than Meteor Lake, I think the next version of the Surface Pro that comes with a Lunar Lake CPU will make the ARM version look like a weird choice if that efficiency gain provides at least 3 more hours of battery life + restrained heat output.
3 more hours would give me 5 for the day,
the key is "supposedly"... I'll wait and see. Also there will be a second gen SD, and some say that's the one to look forwarrd to...
It was nice to see your excitement on getting a new device but i must say after watching very closely for months and listening to the extreme hype from qualcomm and microsoft it is a little hard to go easy on them now but i will anyway. The cpu is actually good and gets good benchmarks but is fighting a translation layer. The gpu is more towards cell phone than pc level, i doubt any real 4k editing is likely and so the oled loses abit of its usefulness and charm for that use. We all know that gpus are important these days. The prism layer is not looking ready for primetime yet from the reviews. The NPU has no real current use except for blurring backgrounds which gpus do just fine. I could easily be wrong and it is just an opinion, but i feel $2100 after tax for 16gb and 512gb ssd that is for watching youtube videos mainly and browsing and emails is just a really hard sell for most people.
I paid 1300€ for the OLED 16Go 512Mo version on Microsoft account and this is with the VAT. Where did you get the 2100$?
Also, where do you see davinci Resolve working much better on the Surface Pro 10 than on this one ?
@@jeanbaptistelabelle the links themselves from this gentleman who made the video list the prices as $1499.99 for the surface pro 11 plus $449 for the keyboard with pen plus 8% tax=$2100. I did not mention davinci resolve.
@@Techno_Rama you know that you can take the normal keyboard for 139 ?
Also, you include the pen which obviously is not something you have on a Mac or traditional PC.
If you want simply a laptop, you take a Surface Laptop. This Surface Pro replaced a laptop and a tablet. What other combo do you recommend for much cheaper?
@@jeanbaptistelabelle If you are happy with the Surface Pro then what i think is not important. It is just my opinion and i don't have the product in hand, like you do. Personally i probably would wait 3 weeks to see what the new ryzen laptop chips from amd will offer, as they may be very good.
@@Techno_Rama sure. But the value proposition here is, for the first time, to have the cake and eat it. This is what Apple users have enjoyed since the M1 introduction. Great performance in a silent and long lasting slim package. I do not know what is for you the demographic of an iPad Pro + MK + stylus at 2200€ versus 1500 for this SP11 but there is a public for that. And many people, like me, have no interest to carry a 3kg gaming laptop. Let's be realistic: until today, there was NO light laptop / 2-in-1 with enough performance for most tasks (beyond gaming) and even less that could last more than 4-5 hours of real usage while also not dividing the performance by half when unplugged. So this is clearly a revolution. And if it was necessary for AMD or Intel to, at last, propose something competitive, so be it. It had at least this merit.
Can it run android apps? Cause that’d be a huge plus for me tbh
not natevely, it can run virtualized just like x86
@@_Digitalguy that makes sense, it should get decent performance because it’s the same architecture hopefully
@@christianr.5868 yeah but it's still a virtual machine that will take away CPU power and RAM for a whole Android OS just to run individual apps.... still far from running a native app.
MS killed the Windows subsystem for Android. It stops working at the end of the year. I assume they did it to prevent the leak of customers away from Android tablets which will hopefully be coming soon. I assume OEMs did not want Android compatibility on Windows machines as that would likely make it less cost-effective to build X Plus Android tablets. It is exactly what Apple does, not competing against itself in the ultra-competitive PC market (macOS running on iPads).
@@ahaimes6320 apple not making a 2 in 1 with MacOS is the reason I’m switching to the surface from the iPad. They could definitely do do it and have both products be successful, like the surface pro and the surface laptop. But instead they’re charging the same amount of money or more for an artificially limited experience on IPadOS. There’s no reason why the damn M4 iPad shouldn’t be able to emulate games as well as a $200 android handheld. Other than the fact that apple doesn’t want people to have access to jit
it's funny how apple consumers always blow their loads when they finally get features that everyone else has had for a decade and is basically standard in every other company....... i.g. swipe-to-text, AOD, oled, usb c, face unlock(on computers), anything involving customization, etc etc etc. lmao
Samsung should release their tab s10 with windows.
The benchmark are not synthetic. They are real. Even software going through translation later gets 85% performance compared to Intel 13th Gen. It's real, man.
Battery life in snapdragon goes as far as 27hrs. That's far much more than you can ever dream to get.
These things are highly recommended. Your recommendations seem to be highly personal than factual.
Native arm software has crazy performance far much more than x86. Same with Apple, these speeds are just synthetic.
Battery life is very subjective, and 27 hours is only achievable if you watch local media with everything else off and low brightness. Actual workflows are much less, and I have seen reviews with as low as 4 hours and an average of about 8 hours of SOT (not standby). These figures are for the OLED devices. The better SOT has been on low-resolution IPS panels running at 24Hz.
As for performance, I'd like to point out that benchmarks could be more realistic as they thrash the cores without considering the OS, optimisation, OEM power settings, app compatibility, etc. For example, a few of these X Elite devices throttle 33% (Vivobook) when on battery to fake battery life. Even Samsung throttles on battery.
So, no revolution. Watch Max Tech MB Pro M3 Pro versus Surface Laptop for an actual pointer as to how far the X Elite is behind as of the here and now. It is shocking.
It's a beautiful bit of hardware, but at nearly $,2000 for properly configured Pro with keyboard/pen.... I'll just keep my $600 Robo & Kala Snapdragon 8CX (Gen 3) system. Configured with 512BG of storage, 16GB of memory, Windows 11 runs great on it, as does LibreOffice and social media and video consumption. I bought the R&K when they were first released and on sale (normally $800). That included the keyboard folio and a stylus (which works great with Microsoft Journal).
It isn't really that the R&K is such a great little laptop (although it certainly is). The important message is that the R&K tells us what these devices should REALLY cost! The R&K proves that major manufacturers have been ripping us off for years.
uh, ok
You didn't even tell what x86 apps you tried and worked 😮
He said the opposite. He could not find yet any compatibility issue.
Many need to work. Some VPNs, Google Drive, most games, Adobe Cloud, and many missing drivers. That means no eGPU and no Linux (bootloader also locked). My printer needs to be fixed, and may never get the WOA drivers.
@ahaimes6320 what you mentioned is so niche that you answered to your own interrogation. My old HP printer works without any issue. Who is using Adobe Cloud ? What for? Elite X are NOT gaming machine. Forget it. Some VPN ? Why would you be dependant from one specific VPN in particular? Why not use the one integrated in Windows?
And complaining about not being able to use Linux? Why not take a Mac in this case?
I understand that Android will no longer be available on Windows. In fact, it is closed access and will be shut down at the end of the year. So, that is no longer a positive for Windows and lessens the tablet's ability. At this price, I recommend something like an X Elite HP or VIVOBOOK and a Tab S9 combo for a superior laptop and tablet experience.
This is kind of a hard sell.
I can buy a 13" MBA for $800 and a 12.9" iPad Pro M4 for $1220 while the OLED Surface Pro with Flex keyboard is $2000.
What is X86 compatibility worth to you?
you could also buy the lcd version with some other keyboard and an older gen/3rd party/used pen for $1200 at most
The price of this, especially the keyboard cover, is insane. When you consider the lack of support and the long term unreliability of Surface devices in the past it's too much of a risk to be putting out that kind of money. Just Josh's livestream with all the ARM laptops showed compatibility is an absolute dumpster fire on launch.
I need to be honest - I don't think it's worth buying. I bought Surface Pro 3 with a keyboard. It was OK. But after two years it broke, I bought a small form wireless keyboard and a small portable mouse both still lighter than the dedicated one. Now I'm using it with Surface Go 3.
And if you really want that fancy keyboard why not to wait a bit and buy with a discount from one of retailers?
The Surface lineup includes ultra-premium models, much like Apple and for many of us they are currently poor value compared with what else is out there. But for people that can afford them they are great devices.
A mediocre device with a much better processor. Great that Apple was able to blaze the trail for Microsoft with ARM. Get a laptop if that’s what you want.
I think this is a very niche product….lost in a huge jungle of laptops…..they theoretically have better battery life….but that’s it…you will have to be a person really into tech or just picking one up by accident because you didn’t know any better…..apple has the power to change anything they want and it’s a done deal…with Microsoft ….its a free for all
What you are saying doesn't make sense. Every major windows laptop manufacturer has an entry for the ARM processor and operating system. Updates are going to occur because all of them have invested into it. The argument you are making about "free for all" has always been true with each new operating system release. Drivers never get automatic upgrades on Windows when the operating system changes. What is different here? Windows 12 will be out soon in combination with all of this. Apple is different because there are very few options to choose from with a monopoly in play.
@@jeffer2350 true….and that monopoly is their strength….remember Apple has done a this architecture change I believe 4 times…so they are good at it….they went from PowerPC chips to intel and now to Arm….which meant rewriting their OS to match….and anyone who wanted to create software for a Mac…was forced to rewrite it for whatever Apple is using at the time….nobody on the windows side is being forced…and so adoption rates are going to be very slow….there’s nothing wrong with these computers…but they aren’t competing with Apple…they are competing against other windows laptops…not to mention desktops….i have a windows desktop with a Ryzen 7900x and an Rtx 3090….these are toys compared to
That….including the MacBook Air….if you go looking at windows laptops right now…it’s an absolute nightmare….and you’ll have to look specifically for these in order to find them…just saying 🤓
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