Are College Educated Democrats Going to Cost Joe Biden The 2024 Election?
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- Eitan Hersh, a Political Science professor at Tufts, joins Offline to take a closer look at “political hobbyists,” aka people who think that getting involved in politics means following the news and forming political opinions. Eitan’s book, Politics is for Power, lays out a roadmap for folks who are tired of online takes and ready to get involved in politics at the community level-where engagement could make a real impact. He and Jon talk about what organizing looks like in every day life, and how the most important activism is the kind you probably won’t find on social media.
CHAPTERS
0:00 - Intro
1:57 - Eitan Hersh joins
2:40 - Political hobbyism
20:36 - How political hobbyism makes politics worse
40:04 - How to turn hobbyists into activists
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Amazing how shallow some of this analysis is. Young people aren't "not seeking out the roles of parent/local community" - we can't afford kids, our community institutions have been gutted, and we're moving every 18 months because the job market is screwed up through lack of labor protection and housing is the most unaffordable it's ever been
Upper levels of Democrats r Truly Not recognizing the reality of $$ on the ground. I work w/new grad doctors who can Not afford to buy a house. I have a college educated professional state medical al license holding And I Can not afford to buy a house. We have done everything right And still r f’ed.
For once i felt let down by the pod. This felt totally disregard from reality for me
It feels like introverts don't have a way to participate. I don't have a community, I don't have kids, I don't own a home, I don't understand how to find a place to contribute. I speak to my friends about issues when I can but then they basically agree with me and seem annoyed that I bring it up because we already agree
Town hall meetings, school board meetings, library board meetings, library programs in your area, park committees, community gardens, rotary clubs,
There's Hella local options. Go to your library to find some.
@cloverpunchgames - many introverts find those sorts of activities uncomfortable at best. They're looking for ways to contribute that don't involve major interactions with strangers (I would guess).
So should we stop watching these podcasts if we're not marching in the streets?
Anyone who does not vote for Biden in this year ( I am not a huge fan of Biden btw) is putting us in mortal danger of Trump getting elected.
I like PSA and Crooked Media but even framing this as “Will young voters cost Biden the election” is maddening. Don’t blame the voters. How about “Can Dems win young voters back” or “Why are Dems losing young voters”
Medi made the point on your pod a few weeks ago that you have to give people a reason to vote besides “the other side sucks more”. Blaming voters and not giving them reasons to like you is part of the problem.
I don’t know what rock they have been living under if they don’t know all the positive things Biden has done including forgiving student loans, getting the country back from the brink of a recession, investing in infrastructure and promoting green energy. Arm chair activism and constant sense of vicitimhood is all that social media gives them. And taking up the cudgels for a cause that is 1000s of miles away rather than focusing on the clear and present danger of losing your own democracy seems like they have no sense of priorities. If only they could get their heads out of their phones they would see what is really happening around them.
A lot of people even if you give them a reason to vote for you they'd rather look for a reason not to...
And as an addition to that there are people who if you were to give them 75 reasons out of 100 to vote a certain way its not enough because they want 90 to 100...
Agreed. We can't pretend Gaza is not happening, the college educated crowd in particular cares about this. If Biden wants to throw the election because of a foreign agent.. he is doing it to himself. If the MAGA crowd had half a brain they would try to impeach over this, but they never saw a war they didn't like.
In a binary system like you have voting for the party who sucks less is the best vote possible...who is controlling the conversation to lie? Trump lies... it's not that hard...the economy is doing great...why? Who is responsible? Vote anti lie...get off the Kool aid!
"... younger people are moving every 18 months on average until they're 30. They're not getting married, they're not having kids. They're just not seeking out those rolls in society. They don't feel like they're adults yet really and they just don't have those connections"
They're POOR. They move to find better jobs or affordable apartments. They were told growing up they should be stable before getting married and own a home before having kids. None of that is possible in this economy. They don't feel like adults because they are unable to achieve any of the milestones that their parents told them they should achieve to become adults.
The reality is they should be advocating for the most progressive candidate who can win a general election and then primary that candidate to move them toward more progressive policies. That is the most pragmatic thing to do. But its hard to convince someone to spend their precious free time to volunteer for centrist candidates that are advocating for a 1970's middle class that no longer exists, instead of the current "middle" class that can't afford rent and student loan payments.
Exactly! The few millenials with kids I know are struggling to balance this much of life and an unstable job market.
Yes, all of these things are true - you can still join up with community groups, and go to city board meetings though.
You can meet your neighbors and start pizza or board game nights in your apartment complexes.
The struggle is real, but there are other small changes you can do to make a difference. Find your local branch of your Dems office.
Im a 51 yr old white woman in Wisconsin. Talking politics is almost never done socially. Especially when you are a progressive.
Well, shoot. I guess I'll just toss 'em in the trash.
This guy is doing more to discourage political engagement than he realizes. Not all of us can build wide-ranging communities of people, due to geography, shyness, lack of time, lack of money, whatever. I'm here to tell you: DO WHAT YOU CAN. Write those postcards! Make those calls! Register those voters! It's all good
The reasons I struggle with talking to my community about politics - 1. fear of the other person's response and 2. I have gone through this with family and long-time friends and we no longer even talk to each other, so why would I spend any energy on my neighbor?
I'm here in Arizona and I feel like lots of people don't realize how scary things have gotten. Part of me is happy to hide away at home so that the other side doesn't even know I exist. That way when their guy wins or loses, we won't be targets of their violence.
This is a bit insulting coming from people whose jobs are engulfed in politics, whereas most of us have to go out of our way to be politically involved
I'm honestly baffled by your comment. It takes work to make politics change and to get what you want to happen. Seems like maybe you want it to be an easy, short activity for a little while. The Republicans have played the long game for decades and you're insulted because you have to "go out of your way". 🙄
@PimpessRockstar - spot on! I have NEVER been involved in politics in any professional capacity. But I volunteer, and go to rallies and knock doors and take on local issues like the ginormous road salt pile polluting our local river. And the flood debris deposited 50 feet from the river. And the failure of the road commission to provide adequate signage for road closures and detours.
It doesn't have to be a full time job to be and engaged and proactive.
I find it pretty difficult to take this seriously. I was incredibly engaged during the primaries for Bernie. Engaged at the level of making calls, talking to coworkers, and donating. I don't think it's accurate to say it was undirected, there was a clear goal that felt attainable and my actions supported that goal. Democratic party leaders consistently put us down, they treated this kind of engagement as a waste of time and they pointedly ignored the issues that we were bringing up. So I think the dichotomy is not so much hobby vs strategy but outsider vs insider. Political activity that is sanctioned by people already in power is seen as legitimate and worthy, political action that isn't sanctioned is seen as frivolous and whiny.
They will latch on to any reason to blame any person that isn't the candidate but I'm disappointed that they have once again landed on "blame the kids". This entire conversation is nothing more than a 45 minute spoken adaptation of "Millennials and Gen Z are ruining the Diamond Industry by not buying diamonds". Not a single mention of say, Biden's vehement support of genocide, or his multiple broken campaign promises like student loans, he's now going full-maga on the border too. But yeah it's definitely valid to blame "young people" that don't want to vote for him because they're not knocking on doors.
Offline has taught me that Jon is insanely out of touch.
The guys who run this post case worked for Obama so your great efforts for Bernie are wasting time to them. They only like corporate dems.
Why are you putting yourself in the hobby category. Nothing said in this POD makes me think that your work for Bernie was a hobby. You were working strategically. The party wasn't on your side, but that doesn't mean you didn't have a strategy. (I am no fan of Bernie's presidential campaigns, but you were doing real and important work - we don't always win... my candidates never do.)
I'm really confused. Nothing you described was what they said is a hobbyist.
And the DNC actively worked against progressive candidates, donating $ to those running against them in primaries. A lot of folks were turned off by that and just booked out.
Whoah, had to stop at the part about guilt tripping people to vote your way??? Wtf is this? I feel like you should push back against stuff like this Jon
That was weird. It was just one line though (wasn't it, I may have been reading something else). I wouldn't do that, and I do a lot of relational organizing.
If progressives did the things some people accuse them of doing, like over taking the dems the way trumpists over took the republicans, we’d have 8 years of Bernie as president already 😅
Which would have been the best thing ever to happen to America. But hey.
Because it is an asymmetrical war. Here's why progressives don't stand a chance.
"The world is controlled, at least in chaos, by the most militarily prepared, and right now, a large number of Trump supporters are ready. They believe they're on the precipice of having to take hold of a dead world, whereas a lot of progressive and left-leaning people are not ready for that. It's too depressing to them." - Vaush.
Right! I’m always stunned when they say Biden is a lefty.
What’s he so left on, human rights and climate change?
When did human decency become leftist 🤷♀️
@@__SummerRose there was even a time when Bernie would have been considered left-center, but that was long ago.
Trump 2024.
i know this guy says i statistically have the most free time but it definitely doesn't feel that way to me
I missed that, who has more time? I thought it was me, with only a mother to try to get care for and no job anymore (or money or husband or kids...)
@@darrahhopper6437They said statically people in their early 20's and retired people. They were speaking generally. I'm pretty sure they didn't mean those who are caring for a parent who can no longer care for themselves.
@@PimpessRockstar Thanks. I remember my early 20s as being a horrible time trying to get through college and find a career, so I get that many may question that. The volunteers I meet are mainly retired. It does crack me up a bit as they are getting awards for their volunteerism that started last year when some of us (yes us) have been doing this since our teens - when we really did have time, but expectations were different in the 70s.
Make the time... A little every day makes a difference!
I think a lot about how public opinion shifted so quickly about gay marriage. It wasn't people knocking on your door to talk to you about "the gays", it wasn't people showing up at local town halls to talk to local officials, it really was a broad societal shift in opinion to moved all politicians, laws, courts, etc, to a more progressive position. That is where I believe the "political hobbyist" has value.
When you can change the broader message in the places where the media elites hang out, they move to reflect that because they believe it's good for their own bottom line. They have the influence to spread that message and change opinion more broadly through both news and creative media.
However, change was also achieved through queer rights protests and politicians that listened to those people. I think spreading the word on initiatives to get big money out of politics and try to gain universal support for that will lead to the biggest, quickest change
I'm a Sr citizen and I do postcards to swing states. My own community is very, very conservative rural WA State, The state is blue but this area is a conservative stronghold and their way of governing locally has caused so much trouble here. I tried canvassing once but it was a brutal experience that should be taken on by younger folks than myself. I was surprised at how rude folks are about politics and treated me like shit. I have never treated anyone like that even though I might differ with their politics. Talk to my neighbors? You must be kidding. They won't even open the door.
Sad but true...but surrendering isn't the answer...do what you can.
@@BrianPeloso-ln4ry I do. I write postcards. I did 700 in the 2022 elections
@@sharongrandi6903 America needs you.
I’m sorry your neighbors treated you like that. I have lived half my life in red states with blue beliefs; I understand. Thank you for giving it the ol’ college try and I’m glad you found a better fit writing post cards. I wish people were more willing to just listen to those who may not have the same beliefs as you….they don’t have to convince you but you can give them your brief attention and respect.
Truth. First they have to open the door!
I receive a lot of text messages asking me to donate, but I wish I received more simple, achievable calls to action.
Try harder.
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I wound up on my brother-in-laws MAGA church action mailing list and it’s full of small actionable things members can do to restrict rights for minorities, ban books, and pester any members of their community that dare express tolerance for diversity.
@@naylas3908Stop the Wars. Trump 2024!
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What bothers me about this perspective (in the first 10-ish minutes) is that it classifies vocal activity that otherwise doesn't have an 'officially political' outlet to begin with as ineffectual (or as implied, counterproductive).
Just as a forinstance: many of us who view the continued military aid to Israel despite the clear evidence of genocide (or illegal military action, whichever description you prefer) found that there was no real outlet to express that goal in basically any level of activity.
A big part of why I think 'political hobbyism' is so prominent now seems like electoral politicts are overly managed. There is *so much* money in politics, and *so much* consolidation of media production, that even when the popular opinion is pretty uniform that view is simply never given air time if there is enough monied opposition to that popular opinion.
At what point of electoral failure does political activity outside of electoral politics cease being 'hobbyism' and become a legitimate form of political activity?
This. Every try sending a letter to your congressperson? You'll get a form response five weeks later that ignores everything you wrote. Then you'll get donation requests for the next five years.
@@spaceynb This is true, but they also keep a tally. The response is always garbage, even if they agree. But when the way they were voting begins to really create a backlash of calls and letters, many of them will back off. (Sure it depends on how safe they feel in being re-elected.)
@@spaceynb Yeah I even replied to the form response to clarify my position and emphasize things, and didn't even get a form response to that one xD
Pretty inflammatory title for what's ultimately a milquetoast take.
Yeah, the title isn't even related to the content.
I still found the conversation interesting and the point is a good one. We need to do more. I started volunteering two weeks ago and have decided to commit five hours a week. I also picked a few US Senate candidates who are vulnerable or might be able to defeat vulnerable Red senators, like Ted Cruz and Rick Scott. I donate and am conducting a mini-fundraising campaign for them.
The title was clickbaity, but the content was apparently not milquetoast, based on the number of outraged comments I'm seeing here!
@@Bertinator-nm9ldRight? They are exactly the political hobbyists that the guest describes.
The defensiveness in a lot of these comments is the ultimate evidence that a message like this is needed.
Ah yes, let's shame people for not doing more. How dare you try to stay informed without also spending all your otherwise free time knocking doors and making calls? You're what's wrong with politics! You wasted your $5 on a candidate who can't win? Get out!
As you can probably guess, I'm the kind of person you'd accuse of being a political hobbyist. I do try to convince my friends and family of the merits of my views, but they're already pretty bought in and there isn't much to do there. I e-mail my representative and my senators sometimes, but not that often, maybe once every couple months at most, and I barely engage with local politics at all. I donate a little money when I have it and there aren't other, needier charities. I hate wasting money, so it goes to people I like who could use it _(go Ruben Gallego!)._
I promote progressive views, I vote Democrat, and I spend time reading about and watching politics. I could definitely be doing more - knocking doors, making calls, going to local meetings - but I don't. I'd rather work out, volunteer at the Humane Society, tutor students, learn to cook, or just goof off. I can be pretty convincing, but I don't enjoy talking to strangers about my political views. So I guess I'm supposed to apologize for...hobbyism? No thanks. How about I just continue voting for the people I think will represent my views and you guys can continue to whine about how I'm ruining politics. You did succeed at one thing though - this podcast has encouraged me to stop listening to podcasts and go pet some lonely dogs.
As for political hobbyists being bad at actual politics - of course they are. They haven't done much of it. Everybody is bad at things when they start, I would think a teacher would know that _(maybe you haven't been teaching long and aren't very good yet; keep at it, you'll get better)._ Yelling at them for being terrible doesn't help, you have to show them how to be good at it.
I think local voter turnout decline is driven in part by the decline of local news coverage. Our local newspapers are disappearing or being swallowed by my corporate, NYC-based masters.
That's called capitalism...money talks...poverty walks away with sore sphincters.
Not exactly. If you were talking about national media, you might have a point. The truth is that no one watches local (television) news anymore. Most of the people that do so are senior citizens, and there’s less of them each day. Something similar has happened to local print news, as well, along with less people buying print media in general.
There are many reasons for the decline of news media. One is that smaller local organizations keep getting bought out by large national corporations which have a right-leaning and capitalist bias, which reduces people’s trust in them. Another is that in order to keep costs for readers / viewers down (or free) they’re overly cluttered with commercial advertising, and on the flip side news organizations have made major cuts in how much they spend on investigative reporting. All of these reasons are directly attributed to capitalism. As for printed newspapers, many people like myself don’t want to keep wasting trees on something that just adds to our ever-growing piles of garbage the next day.
There has been a concerted and well thought out plan to out spend the truth. Have you heard AM radio lately? Truck drivers and others are bombarded by right wing propaganda...just like Goebbels did. Students of history can see it...liars deny it. Satan is the father of the lie...Trump lies constantly...2+2=
@@AKCFTW Not true, national news watches local news to find stories. The death of local news has created a golden era of political corruption and other issues because no journalists are in the room to cover things.
Hilarious that somehow this strategic pragmatism only applies to voters but never Democrats trying to win peoples votes and supports.
The Democratic Party is mostly made up of people. The big wigs in the DNC are a very small slice of the pie. We've seen how quickly the Republican Party has transformed in the wake of Trump and the RNC accede to that change. What are you doing to make your local Democratic Party reflect your values?
In these “conversations” all the people are reasonable and not screaming at you. That is not reality for me, which, sucks and I avoid the subject with them.
Even my mom, talking about her DJT worship, gets cranky and uptight when I calmly ask her simple questions that are political in nature. It’s not a fun or reasonable conversation.
She gets angry because deep down she knows you are right.
Pretty sure they referenced that outcome and specifically said maybe only a few people will react positively.
If trolling on social media is such a waste of time, why have the Russians invested so heavily, and effectively, in online misanthropy?
They aren't just trolling, remember Trump 2016? Russia is actively spreading disinformation and misinformation, that is why they invest in trollfarms.
Nicely said
The Russian trollfarms do more than troll, their value is in spreading mis and disinformation. Remember the Mueller Report?
Because it promotes political polarization, which is in Russia’s interest. I haven’t seen any evidence that online trolling does anything positive for American politics.
Because their aim ultimately is to disengage people, both from politics and reality - if you believe a very skewed and very pessimistic version of the political narrative then you're much less likely to take advantage of the power that you do have; if they can convince you that everything's so chaotic and bad that only strong man Trump can fix it, then they've successfully disengaged you from the less dramatic and ultimately more fixable reality of democratic government
I don't typically listen to Offline but I'll admit the cringey title got me to click. Blaming a subgroup of voters that feels disenfranchised isn't going to make them feel magically included all of a sudden and make an about-face, but I don't have a podcast so what do I know.
I appreciate getting people to go out and make tangible changes, but i felt like this interview completely ignored the structural barriers built into our political system. if I really tried I could get 20 people to vote, and i will try to get people in my life to vote, but that act will do virtually nothing to change the world around me. I spend a lot of time on persuading the people in my life, but the vast majority of americans can be persuaded of something and that will often have zero impact on the real world. think of how many people support common sense gun control, how many support abortion rights, how many see the humanity of immigrants/queer people/poc and yet the political structures in local communities let alone the state or national stage don’t care at all.
The existing structures that channel political action make people politically nihilistic and “just get involved” won’t change that. i think that is why so many people are desperately trying to grasp for other ways of expressing their politics. if 95% of politically minded people aren’t engaging the way that you want that might say more about the way you want them to engage than it does about them. people need better options, not scoldings
This is the political equivalent to oil companies blaming everyone for not recycling enough.
Not at all, lol. Did he CREATE the problem? Nope.
Oil companies created the problem then blamed us, the professor is just the messenger telling us about a problem in society that the data clearly shows.
Your analogy is lazy and wrong.
@@MitchellColbert you’re assuming I am saying the professor is the problem. I could care less what he thinks after hearing his opinions. But the Dems definitely help create the problem we’re in. And they’re also the ones who blame the voters. Does that help clarify it for you?
It does. So why just the dems? This is a problem that cuts across all groups.
@@MitchellColbert I don't have any expectations of Republicans, I don't vote for them. Republicans are evil and subhuman.
I don't think it's unreasonable for anyone to want Democrats to stop being like Republicans and stop changing policies to get right wing votes.
Joe Biden has an indistinguishable policy on he middle east from Lindsey Graham.
@@MitchellColbert given our choices it makes more sense to place the blame on the ones in power that do nothing while claiming to be for the people? They’re more likely to enact change I value, so doesn’t it make sense to want action from that group?
This a really interesting title. Another version would be “is Biden going to try to win an election by ignoring 80% of Democratic Party voters?”
Just to be clear, you can't cost someone something that they aren't owed... and your vote is your vote.
This is the most crotchety take I’ve ever heard (both the title and the actual content).
It's not that hard. Step 1 - Choose 5 issues that you care about. Step 2 - Vote for the most viable person that aligns with YOUR issues. Step 3 - Repeat.
Except that there is so much disinformation, so people are making decisions based on false premises.
So Step 2 is dig deeper for actual facts to be sure the person you support is solving a real problem and not make it worse.
Given the divide the between Democrats and Republicans, it's more like looking at 3 issues and you know who to vote for.
Okay, abortion rights, lower middleclass taxes, climate change, protect and fund Medicare and Social Security, LGBTQ rights, protect voting rights, stop gerrymandering, stop corporate owned politicians, protect separation of church and state, end the Electoral College, ERA... In Florida, usually just vote for Democrats, in my opinion.
i expected to be insulted by this talk, but no, you were talking about my life. I keep reading stuff about how to talk to rural voters and I always think "we aren't hard to talk to". Then someone says something like "I wouldn't have racist friends". I point out that those are people I rely on. The reply makes it obvious that many people don't see the firefighters, or shop keepers as part of their community. Arrrrggghhh! (LOL, and I write postcards while listening to PSA.) I have also knocked on almost every door in town and I don't get shot, because I gave their kid a box of food at the pantry.
The only way rural Democrats get a voice is more of us stepping up to be that voice. I loath coastal Democratic messaging which is why I have stepped up in my community to break the stigma.
As a tall, white male, I'm the son of a cop, I drive a Chevy pickup, own guns, hunt, and manage my finances conservatively. I also support abortion rights, climate action, conservation, mass transit, gun reform, and affordable housing. I live to challenge conservative caricatures of "libruls".
@@seanmurphy9776 I live to challenge the stereotype of rural as a short, dark, widow who sold both of the pickups and guns and lives off of social security.
No one ever talks about ssdi. Saves lots of lives and republicans want to cut it. Dems need to talk about it and save it.
Not gonna lie. This episode made me ashamed of myself. Thirty minutes in, I realized that I've been taking Max for granted.
People who don’t have money but will pool together $100 dollars each? ARE YOU INSANE?!?! This is why politicking is so out of touch. Most Americans make less than $20 an hour. You think we have $100 extra to donate 😂 oh lord. I’m actually annoyed beyond reproach by this.
I never thought in my life I would witness what the Israelis have done in 6 months. This is going down in the history books.
Free Palestine!!!
I found this guy pretty annoying. Probably b/c he was calling me out. But also, casually blaming young people and childless people for not organinzing properly, misses the point that those groups are still strugglin housing, cost of living, and a lonlieness epidemic. Not just that "we dont feel like real adults yet".
Some strong points here about effective political engagement, but hard to listen to them through someone who clearly hasnt empithized with the voters/citizens he's criticizing.
There’s a lot of frustration amongst all ages (I’m 70) about Netanyahu.
Although I will still vote blue, I’m just saying dems gotta pay attention, not just float on “we’re better than the other side “.
In 2022 I was called multiple times for donations. I asked every time for information on how to volunteer.
All I got were follow up calls asking for donations.
Prior to that I’d volunteered in every presidential election back before I could even vote. I’ve knocked on thousands of doors. Sat down for drinks with multiple candidates.
Sad that none of the local candidates contacted you. I have noticed that things seem much more organized this term than last. My state has district organizers, not just having every county out there flailing around.
@@darrahhopper6437 my state party is a mess. It’s like they don’t want to win.
@@mhill0425 Bypass them. Check Mobilize for events and activities that are run by other groups: Indivisibles...
@@mhill0425In many ways, they don't. The Democrats are, in many ways, controlled opposition. Some places, that issue is worse than others
Thank you for this eye-opening conversation. I’ve never fully acknowledged the cavern between what I do as a watcher and complainer, and what I could be doing as someone who talks about politics in my community… hmmmm
Sometimes y'all are just too much. It takes a village, to get things done. Some are farmers, some are house builders, some are butchers etc. And then there are political people. Talkers. The rest of us spend 8, 10, 12 hours of our work day sweating, getting dirty at our jobs, etc. We're not you. Tell me. What do you do when you go home to your family? Are you still doing your political stuff? If so, I feel sorry for your family. You have your job, we have ours. Quit telling us, we're not committed to who our leaders are because we don't live your lives as political talkers. Who do you call when your toilet is super clogged, a utube channel activist? Or a plumber?
You totally missed the point of this video.
I find the guest offensive and arrogant. The most important thing is to be informed for making voting decisions. Most people don't do that much.
This interview was great! It gets to the heart of my frustrations as of late with a lot of good folks that are not in the arena.
I was a hobbyist most of my life. Our family treated politics like sports teams. I dabbled with phone banking for Obama and some climate protests and left feeling uninspired with the lack of change or commitment by those involved.
I decided I needed to step up for my daughter following TFG in 2016. I served on our local Planning Committee from 2017-2022. I ran for office on our Town Board in 2022 and won!
In two years, I've helped unify our board to build a regional bike park, an inclusive playground, $5 million in new sidewalks, transit for seniors collaborating with our U.S. House representative, three dozen affordable homes, accessible dwelling units, and energy-efficient building code. All for two evenings a month and a $500 campaign.
I'm currently fighting for regional passenger rail and a train station. I will likely lose. I don't lose hope and I don't give up.
Make the time, even a few minutes a day. Find your issue. Grind at it everyday, forever. Your kids are worth it. Our nation's future is worth it.
For 6 months, the only “political” topic I’ve heard people regularly bring up is Israel’s annihilation of people caged in the Gaza strip, and the looming famine there. And how Biden must either be so old he doesn’t know what’s happening or just plain morally inept. People of all ages, religions, and walks of life- my parents, grandparents, friends, relatives, veterans(!), and even colleagues talk about this- all people who don’t otherwise talk “politics” and certainly don’t engage in “political hobbyism”. They’re heartbroken, outraged, and confused- especially about why America and Biden specifically are letting this happen and sending the bombs. I see “free Gaza” graffiti and Palestinian flags and stickers all around my city. Entire families are at protests. The Democratic party is completely divorced from reality. Nearly 50,000 people voted “uncommitted” in the Wisconsin primary. That alone ought to scare the living hell out of the DNC. This is mobilizing people to vote who typically wouldn’t, and disengaging people who hate Trump and typically would feel obliged to go vote for a Democrat for president. Who am I to say what they’re feeling is wrong, or tell them what to do in November? People are furious. Anger motivates people politically. Americans care about our country’s image, our national security, injustice, innocent deaths, historical events unfolding on TV for our eyes to see, and matters of war and peace. I’m sorry you guys have to hear this, but at the rate things are going and if the policy doesn’t drastically change, Biden will lose in November and it will be entirely his own fault.
Maybe instead of blaming the voters, blame the politicians and the policies we didn’t vote for or expect? Politically, I’ve phone banked for every national democratic candidate since Kerry. I’ve never felt so ignored by my party in my adult life than I do now. If they can’t even keep me, what chance do they have recruiting anyone else? They’re lucky they have political hobbyists, never mind anyone actively engaged. Reminds me of a quote from the West Wing where CJ said “everybody’s stupid in an election year” and Charlie replies “no, everybody gets treated stupid in an election year”. Except now it’s every year. Want us to be more engaged? Listen. Stop expecting us to vote because we’re democrats, or expect us to like what our party does because they have a D after their name, or expect us to waste $ or time helping elect someone who does zip. We’re constantly told to “get out the vote”. No. Make us want to. If I were to phone bank this year - what do I say? “He’s not trump”? That’s a very low bar.
I'm not holding a gun to your head...but Trump is...My point is that not voting IS a vote...I feel obligated to vote...even if it's for the lesser of 2 evils...personally I vote blue because I don't like my saviours words to be politicized for a liar to take advantage of. It's binary...
There was a lot of judgement baked into this. As a stay at home father, I don't have the time to volunteer for campaigns anymore that I did from 16-24 years old.
Not to mention, I feel pretty jaded by the whole process after trying to make a career out of it and finding most progressive campaigns I worked for, the PIRGs and Field Works of the world, didn't give two shits about any of us.
I'll never forget the feeling of working months on a successful campaign, only to be told "Wow! Thank you everyone for your hardwork! We're canceling the victory party because the governor killed the initiative in order to keep corporate money from flooding the state. Best of luck on your next job!"
A truly demoralizing and jading experience.
But yes, I'm the one that needs to be shamed for no longer wasting my time on these campaigns. No need for any kind of reform for campaign workers or the absolutely abysmal conditions for door-to-door fundraisers. Let's keep the churn-and-burn status quo going!
I'm sorry to hear that. That would be demoralizing.
That's also been some of my experience working in a local group trying to lobby for a single issue. I spent a good 2 years devoting a lot of my free time, and felt I had very little to show for it at the end. I am also quite a conciliatory person by nature, and dealing with the very fiery personalities of many involved in that group was exhausting. Again, I'm not under the impression that fighting for an issue you believe in is ever easy and I still care a lot about politics, but I ended up deciding that I could make my community better by spending time volunteering in other kinds of events.
@MorningAngel I forgot the name of the documentary, but I watched one about the political weaponization of Facebook a few years back. There was this gal who helped elect Obama and then was hired to help Trump, too. She was a liberal, but she said she couldn't keep working for free, and that was the expectation of left-leaning campaigns.
Most folks, in my experience, can't pay their rent with idealism and certainly won't keep showing up if they're treated as disposable.
Don't give up ...your kids future is at stake.
I'm at SAHM and I truly don't think that's what they were saying at all. It is good to look at the actual demographics and see what people are doing. Me simply being politically informed as I currently am is not being politically active. It's unfortunate that you had a bad experience and I'm truly sorry for that. But that doesn't mean that every experience will be bad or that other people don't have good ones. Maybe you could take some time away, take care of yourself and your family, and come back to a different group when you have more time for it.
And then the campaigns where progessivism is respected and works really well end up with guys like fetterman betraying the coalition that got them elected
The government has really called things more difficult for its citizens, and we can't sit back and bear all the consequences of the bad governance. It's obvious we are headed for inflation,it is always the poor who take the hit.
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I'm surprised that this name is being mentioned here, I stumbled upon one of her clients testimony on CNBC news last week.
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@@CalderonStemperThis sounds so good and I would like to be a party to this, is there any way I can speak with her?
I can't afford to be civically engaged.
I can't afford the energy, time, or money.
Voting is the most important thing you can do. No matter what issues folk may have with JB (despite his remarkable achievements), he’s the only choice if you want democracy not fascism.
@@didntlistendad twice I have voted for a president that won the popular vote but they didn't win the electoral college. Unfortunately, our democracy is already very flawed and my vote is not as valuable as you suggest.
@@jl8942 there may well be a need for reform - but only JB will do it while preserving democracy. Anyone who thinks fascism is going to be fun is living in blissful ignorance. And it’s too late after the election to say ‘whoops- I made a mistake’. So no matter what it has to be JB in November, and until there is a viable alternative.
@@jl8942”I didn’t get what I wanted that one time therefore fuck the system what’s the point” 🙄
Spoken like a very useful idiot for the Russians.
America's democracy may not survive after 2024, thanks you short-sighted people like you. 😢 you do you, while I do what is right to sustain this country's Republic.
On the one hand, I feel called out. On the other, last year i was part of contract negotians for my union which is a strategic politicial action.
It's worth remembering, if all you can do is stay informed and talk with your friends (this is different than posting), that's okay.
We all do the best we can with what we can do.
100% disagree with this guy. Any engagement in politics (especially on the left) is good engagement. Whether it’s a hobby or not, it doesn’t matter. His take is the typical elitist take “Only we can be engaged in politics, us the rich, cool guys with podcasts who write books”. Politics affects all of our lives constantly. The more people engage, read, and understand politics, the better
I bet he makes his students buy his book lol
You've misunderstood. Did you watch the whole conversation?? He talks about how those who are actually engaged in political activity are just normal people, joining a local organization. And how those who are white, college educated, richer are more likely to be the political hobbyists who are NOT actually politically engaged. He's saying just find an issue on the local level you care about and participate.
@@mapleoak11Exactly! This whole comments section is full of people who either didn’t listen to the whole podcast or misunderstood it.
So you think talking to people face to face is too elitist? It seems to me that his definition of hobbyist is arguing on X. So yeah, any engagement beyond that counts to me (including the post cards that he laughs at.)
I'm really confused as to how walking door to door in my neighborhood and being part of a local group is elitist. Did we watch the same video???
As soon as you try to achieve things with others, it becomes clear that compromise is always part of what you do. More than ever (it seems) our culture requests that we hold polarised (uncompromising) points of view. It isn't really compatible to be into that media and online hot take culture while being productive. As a former angry young man, evolved into a 50 year old who I hope is a good listener and creates a positive change in the world, I can say you almost need to let go of specific outcomes all together and instead steer and guide towards broad principles when you can.
I thought this was going to be a different discussion. College-educated Dems in my circle have been starving for any sort of purpose and are very wrapped up in talking about Gaza and how they're going to vote for a third party to punish Biden for not doing more. I confess that I don't belong to any sort of community but would be interested in helping people sign up to vote by mail without pressuring them with the who part of things.
Blaming Biden for Gaza isn't honest...remember it was Trump who empowered Israel to act so assertively.
Go for it. Your registrar of voters can give you the rules, laws and paperwork needed. When you start you might recruit others and then you have a group. It doesn't have to be a partisan activity. In fact that is discouraged, but not outlawed.
38:00 He's talking about loose social networks. They are very effective for driving activism. In strong social networks (a family member) there is very little chance you'll be ostracized for disappointing them by not doing an action. In loose networks, like church groups, friend grounds, civic organizations, etc., there is a greater chance people will comply.
This is basically how the Montgomery Bus Boycotts worked--it wasn't family members, but loose social groups that kept people to the boycott.
Yes but you are going to get a lot of resentment if your reason for getting someone to vote is that they will disappoint you. As a community organizer and door to door vote getter I can personally all you that the Boston dude would have to have a one on one with the candidate before he was allowed to go door to door. Just Fail. The person who gets votes on disappointed feelings is not a socialist s)he’s a conservative and religion expert.
I love that the professor casually drops labor bribery as the "right" way to do politics. This was brutally tactless. 21:59
Not your best take PSA, not your best.
Politics is *supposed* to be about being neighbourly and compassionate and identifying injustices and inequities and attempting to right them, but then we got this whole shit show so wtf knows?
Wow, I really understand! I lived in nyc 2016 when Trump won and I moved so I could get engaged in area that voted for Trump, and turn that tide. NYC is too locked up for me. It was Obama’s voice that pushed me to get involved.
We should be able to more easily contact Senators and congress who are outside of out district / state, since their work and votes extend far beyond effecting their districts.
Ironically, the easiest way to get their attention is through audience questions those rare occasions they appear on podcasts, and whatnot. Aside from ambushing them in public. It shouldn’t have to be that way.
You are 100% right Mary, if you live outside of their state you CAN'T contact them and that is extremely frustrating.
Those states are passing bills that my Confederate state wannabe takes up and then passes in my state. 😡
Why should they care about your opinion? You're not their constituent and can't vote for them.
True, but the system says that the only ones who they should represent are the ones in their district. They are supposed to represent their district, not their own opinions. Not sure I like that, but I guess I understand it.
Gatekeepers being very gatekeepery
Engaging someone to change their mind is definitely more labor intensive. You have to spend time building rapport and common ground before you ever even get to the issues.
What an entitled view. This negates the barriers to entry- mainly financial, that prohibit the younger generation from having the time to be involved in civic engagement. Sorry I can't volunteer or donate as I work two jobs to barely survive.
Voting for Trump will not lessen your load..vote for your own family's future..are you watching the economic news?
@@BrianPeloso-ln4ry What? Nothing you said has any relevance to anything I said.
Staying home is your idea of accomplishing What? Try harder...
Your financial situation is heavily influenced by what party gets elected...stay home and you leave things in the hands of others.
^ is probably a bot; repeatedly not even making a relevant reply.
Gotta say, it's kind of shit take. Us 40 and under left leaning voters are not the problem. It's the single issue voters who stick to one topic and ignore the rest. Additionally, most people can't or don't have the money or time to do more than vote and hopefully give some influence to the misguided people in our families and social circles. That has much more impact than trying to sway people who will never be swayed by a random person either on social media, a call, or a knock at the door.
Emotional, personal impacts are the only real way to change minds on people who are self-centered.
It's the propaganda. We honestly should be able to watch the news, get actual facts so we can pick someone who will actually solve the real problems.
It's all three. There can be more than one reason.
I am an avid Postcarder, and it's a great additional tool, not a replacement for other GOTV efforts. It also is most helpful in special and local elections where as Eitan said, turnout is very low. Postcarding also has a lower barrier to entry (though stamps are getting pricey), than other activism efforts. It also has the advantage that it's an an a synchronous communication tool. I could go on on how GOTV Postcarding is worthwhile, and this work should not be dismissed
The problem most people are having with politics is that they feel disconnected. Back in the day low voter turnout was described as apathy. People don't get engaged because even when they do, politics doesn't speak to them. Politicians do not work for them. Too many people on both sides of the political spectrum describe trump voters as simply insane. The core of trump support was the people that felt disassociated and unrepresented by mainstream politics. We care enough to be involved and understand the issues.But we never believe that mainstream politicians on either side worked for our interests. One side favors the rich 1 side favors.The poor and the working class always gets the shaft, And pays for the legislation that goes either direction. Nobody takes care of the working class. So why be involved, Why sacrifice our time to help politicians?That won't work for us.
I’m not voting for Biden because of Gaza I was one of the independence that voted for him last time around but I cannot in good conscience vote for someone who’s leading a genocide happen even though I hate Trump
Interesting message for a podcast aimed at political hobbyists. Guess I'll go watch cat videos.
As someone with no social circle this conversation hurts my soul.
I can't find out anything about my local candidates and this has been true wherever I've lived and since I started to vote in the late 70's. I read candidates bios that they submit for the voting pamphlet, but I can never find their records for what they've *_done_* in politics or, if this is their first election, anything that would indicate what they would actually *_do_* as opposed to what they *_say_* they'll do. At least party candidates have bios in the voter pamphlets, but there are other powerful positions....judges, port officers, local zoning authority, things like that... I can't even find out if they're liberal or conservative since most *_say_* that they're "non partisan" -- everyone has a belief system. I'm pointing this out here because I don't know where else to ask to change this. How do I get more information about local candidates? Where are the resources?
Thank you for turning your hobby into a job
I use "BallotPedia", which covers almost everyone on the ballot in my US state. I imagine it varies by region and I'm not sure if it covers other countries. I then just google the candidate and usually find a social media page where they have outlined their policies. Googling also lets you learn things like my local sheriff retired and the interim sheriff punished anyone else in the department who ran against him for sheriff by cutting their hours and giving them bad assignments.
I live in Scotland so this is maybe not relevant to America but the problem here is that there are no candidates who inspire me or my friends to commit time and energy to.
It's nonsense to say, "Well go out and find one" because any candidate who challenges norms is crushed by the mainstream party machine.
My theory is quite testable here in Scotland because in 2012 we had an independence referendum and everyone took huge part in that. Activism in that context was so huge and so obvious because the referendum mattered - elections don't matter when it's a choice between 2 candidates who are 2 versions of the same thing.
No, sorry, my advice really is to lower your standards. Feeling the need to be inspired by candidates will not get there. They are never going to be that. JFK inspired many people. He was charismatic and handsome. He is mainly remembered for that and dying. He really didn't do much. Johnson got stuff done, but no one (including me) liked him.
@@darrahhopper6437 I'm confused as to what is the point when no candidates represent your politics though? Do you understand that what you're saying is, it is too much to expect an agenda you agree with so here you MUST pick from one of these two versions of the same thing, and you are calling that democracy? It's a surface level attempt at democracy which is why you get surface level interaction with it.
@liamdevine8063 maybe it's on you to do more research because as much as it may seem, they are almost certainly not the exact same.
In addition, who you vote for sends a message, even if they end up doing nothing. Trump's election over here sent a VERY clear message towards certain segments of this AND other countries that a certain type of politics was now fair game and now we get to deal with that reality for however long or until we die.
@@liamdevine8063 If you can find nothing you agree with on any candidate then please, please, please do not vote. Daniel Ortega turned into a dictator. There are no perfect candidates.
@@darrahhopper6437 I don't vote. It's not about the candidates, it's about the policies. Remember those things?
You should get The Rock on the show and question him on his “I’m keeping my politics to myself this time” BS
We all know the Rock just wants to keep his customers on both sides buying his junk.
Who gives a shit about The Rock’s politics lmao
One of the worst podcast episodes I’ve listened to. I still don’t understand why his definitions matter. Maybe his book has them and the data that wasn’t flushed out by Jon’s questions. All I heard was “if you aren’t telling your friends neighbors how to vote, don’t bother.” Ok, I won’t write that check. Democratic politicians don’t listen to their base anyway. Look at Gaza.
So you know, Republican politicians very much listen to their base. In fact, they're TERRIFIED of their base. What's a Democrat to do in light of that?
First, I think Crooked needs to reevaluate how they title their episodes. I get fishing for clicks with the most clickbaity title you can come up with, but it should at least be relevant to the context of the content. Feels like whoever comes up with the titles doesn't even review the material. Honestly, just replacing "College-educated Democrats" with "Political Hobbyists" (the subject of the discussion) would have done the trick.
Second, I did find the overall conversation insightful. The notion of the value of actual engagement vs online political discourse is not new but does need to be hammered home time and time again. That said, I did find the guest a bit too condescending on his side of things at times. He's fortunate to have the sort of community and family background to allow himself to engage people to vote the way he wants them to.
Finally, I'll end off on the part that spoke to me, which involved reasons why people don't get involved passed the informed stage. A lot of people, myself included, just don't even know where to begin, even locally. My town's gatherings are basically decided on a whim it seems and had their times set earlier in the evening, allegedly to cut down on participation and, therefore, cut down on public complaints of our local officials. Time, energy, and mental health concerns are also factors for my personal involvement as well.
Despite my critiques, the episode was worth listening to. Thanks guys.
If a 'friend' said to me "vote for my guy or I'll be disappointed in you," I'd never speak to that 'friend' again. What the hell? I agree ppl need to work toward a political goal, big or small, broad or niche, but this guy is condescending af.
That was my thought as well. This guy's whole thesis seems to be "Leverage your relationships for a political goal", and like, most of my friends are conservatives. I'd love to talk to them and actually have a deep discussion but most of them don't want to bother.
Wasn't it recently that Jon said shaming people is bad and doesn't work?
I signed up to vote as a result of being too much of a hobbyist but ironically I can only vote in some elections because of Brexit politics. I became a hobbyist as a result of living in a autocracy
The assumption that is essential part of the phrase 'political hobbyist' is political seems absurd. Imagine swapping political for another kind of hobby and then exhorting those hobbyist to 'think tactically about their hobby. What is more likely they swap podcasts/hobbies or spend hours of time in person volunteering? Give me a break!
Also the irony of writing a book about and studying political hobbyists is rich. Guilting people into doing what you want by calling them political hobbyists seems a moronically self destructive move. Is that how all the activists make change? Just guilt trip people until they behave how you would like them to politically?
😂😂😂oh I’m supposed to figure out what my boss wants Rather than just barge in & demand a raise 😂😂😂😂😂 that’s what I’ve been doing wrong this whole time!
How about this… dedicate an episode on EDUCATING us how to efficiently, effectively organize.
They wrote a how to book on the subject.
@@janaylward5636so they think donating to a cause isn't enough but they want folks to buy a book (donate to them personally) so that people can do what they want them to do and how they want them to do it?? Did I get that right
So beyond the dumb click bait title implying democrats strongest coalition is whats wrong with the party. This video displays one of the reasons young people who would never vote red don't vote blue; its people who raise hell and look down on you for not supporting the party being condescending when you make noise or demonstrate something you care about that isnt high on the party's priority list.
I can make the argument when people say that both parties are the same or that democrats won't make things any better in large part because we got so damn close to the larger build back better agenda being passed. But when it becomes a matter of the other side just being worse then persuasion falls flat and I just try getting people to turn out for propositions.
Theres also the bit about young people having so much free time or low income people scraping together donations if they really care. Maybe it's because im both but it rubbed me the wrong way. I'm busy. Almost everyone I know is busy. Feels like half my city is on the wires edge.
I guess this pod got me to confirm that there is a California based ranked choice voting org. Maybe I'll be able to vote my conscience in a general in my lifetime
Forecast: Biden is going to cost Biden the election.
I very used phrase in my group is don’t get her started, they don’t want to hear a different opinion aaarrrggghhh
This was such an inspiring episode! It's easy to get depressed thinking about the national politics and how it feels like all we do is yell. It's really good to know that there are groups doing politics in a more productive community oriented way!
Just what the news needs, more political activism from these people; what joy will come?
I feel personally called out by this ngl 😂
Well... got news for you guys... I feel attacked! 🤣
This political hobbyist talk really rubs me the wrong way, and I'm sure I'm not the only one. I do my part with donations, so I don't like being told I'm not doing enough to be worthy of following politics just because i don't have the energy to be physically involved. Grr!
❤️ Love you Crooked ❤️
I think he meant that more needs to be done...your financial support is working for democracy...he does not call on us to do the impossible...just as much as we can.
Well he did say that strategic donations are important. And his strategy doesn't have to be the same as yours. While I try to donate mainly to races that can be won, I also donate smaller amounts to some who have no chance because... well this time around we have no one running for our highest state offices at all because it is expensive and why would anyone put themselves through that.
Imagine coming up with every excuse but nobody likes my candidate either.
Politics is not about which candidate is more “likable”; it’s a means of exerting political power, however small. All that should matter is which of the two candidates is more likely to enact laws (if a legislator) or administer those laws (if an executive) in the manner you most agree with. We’re not talking about voting for homecoming king and queen, here. Unfortunately, that seems to be the level of sophistication most people in this country have-it’s all about the personality of the candidate, which, in most cases, is something of an illusion.
Can you imagine a world in which the horrible, unlikable Clinton had beat Trump? I can and it makes me cry.
Huh, I guess Pod Save America came up with the candidate then. Interesting take.
Its not the voters fault there only two parties big enough to win. Its my responsibility to vote for the canidate I like the most. Full stop.
@@considerallthat3310Then it will still be Biden's fault.
Let me ask you something: how confident are you that voting for the candidate you liked the most would've made the most progress in terms of your priorities?
You are what ifing me with this question. There are other votes to address the if and your reply to regardless of how I answer it.
@@Beatsandmma The reason for my question is, if you get the candidate you like most elected to public office at some level, and yet progress towards your goals is still not as fast as you'd like, do you view the impact of your vote differently? This is a realistic scenario that a lot of activists who care deeply about certain issues face.
I'd rather see people not vote for what they "like," but rather vote for someone who can keep the country from sliding into dictatorship. THAT, I'd like.
In a word, NO. Next goofy title question please...
Thank you for this discussion. It has given me renewed motivation to pursue a local environmental issue I've been trying to get resolved for almost a year. I kept hitting brick walls and while I had two new possible leads recently, I'm moving and I had lost steam. Now I at least have the energy to pass the baton, even if I'm not in the forefront.
I know a few ( BRAND NEW to politics). They tell me often I'm old, and don't understand the world (I'm 56), what's going on, and everything is my generation's fault. Like those last 38 years of voting outcomes didn't happen to me.....SMH.
Worst of all, they ignore my argument about the importance of selecting SCJs really is to the entire country, democracy, and their daily life. Almost as bad as MAGA voters.
Your guest didn’t actually define hobbies. He merely talked about his own uninspected feelings even when he used the word ‘strategic’
So true. Before we were insulted for not following news enough but now he wants to tell people how to react to things. What is the government doing or all these think tanks doing to encourage civic engagement? Does this guy even understand that many people are working 2 jobs in addition to everything else while he gets paid to just do this?
@@michelehamilton961 The issue isn't not following the news enough, it is that JUST reading the news and posting on social media have 0 political value. He was criticizing the view that signing an online petition on an issue is the same as volunteering your time on the issue.
What do you mean, uninspected feelings. This is actually fairly descriptive of how political hobbyists behave. Hell, we're seeing it in these comments.
@@kchandaman3012 I have watched my kids spend hours and hours informing themselves about the goings on around them. It’s not an hobby for them. They are deeply vested.
@@suhailski And what are they doing with that knowledge? That's what separates hobbyism and activism.
one of the least articulate professors ive ever heard... swear if you clipped it you'd have a solid 5 minutes straight of likes, ums, and uhs... damn dude
Time and again, this podcast manages to sound highly intelligent while operating in a parallel reality. This is why Trump stands a chance of winning. People say he plays 4D chess, but really, he's playing tic-tac-toe and intellectuals are trying to respond with chess moves. So out of touch.
Try a ceasefire in Gaza, then see how that demographic responds. All of this from someone who knows how minority rule means your votes don't count in most of America. I still vote. Civic engagement = giving money/time you don't have to people that have repeatedly demonstrated they don't care about you? Somehow Hersh intellectualized this so much he forgot he works in education/politics, and therefore gets paid (well) to pay attention and act. There is inherent bias, and no concession. This is literally a "just stop being poor" argument applied to political activism. Asking someone to put time and money into an effort that will most likely be gerrymandered or taken down by the supreme court isn't really reasonable. Unless of course, you don't have to worry about money. Something tells me Hersh hasn't had to.
Maybe the Demoractic party should learn what real political engagement is. More blaming the voters for not voting hard enough, being connected in their community enough. If any other profession blamed the customer/patient for the lack of progress or success in their field they would have been fired on the spot. But for politics, the quagmire is the goal. Longer it is stagnant, longer people suffer, longer they work to survive, more money is funneled to their friends and stock portfolios.
If a patient ignores a doctor's advice and gets sicker do you blame the doctor?
What do you think "real political engagement" is, that the Democratic party should learn?
It's certainly not clean and efficient! Democratic decision making is fundamentally a messy and slow process, even in non-political settings. For example, are management level office politics any cleaner and more straightforward, wherever you work?
@@BrianPeloso-ln4ry In this scenario I am assuming the Dems are the doctors? It's more like the doctors are telling you that you need chemo but also you can't afford it and the hospital is only accessible to people who have a special pass but sure it's the patients fault for not getting chemo.
@@BrianPeloso-ln4ry believe it or not, the head of the party, and the candidate, are actually responsible for getting people to vote for them. That is literally what politics is.
@@mhill0425there is way more to it than that...some politicians goal is to prevent people from voting. Media plays a huge role by either telling the truth or rolling over and let propaganda outlets like The Fox Propaganda Corporation determine the outcome." I regret that I have but one life to give to my country " Donald J. Trump?
We need to be the voice of helpfulness. Explain to young votes who Trump is...gave his rich friends a tax break we are still paying off. Orders the House of Representatives and His Supreme Court Judges to undercut Biden's good work. Overturned ROE. ETC.
Staying politically engaged is part of the point though. Being an “informed voter” and sharing that knowledge when necessary, is part of the point. I ain’t got time or money otherwise. The smugness of this discussion I find to be abhorrent.
From the UK if you elect from you deserve him at this point he just who America is, essentially after just doorknocking for 3 hours and the tories aren't going to ruine the planet