Lamello Zeta P2 P-System Connectors in Solid Oak
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- čas přidán 20. 06. 2021
- For this solid oak bespoke fitted bookcase I experimented with the Lamello Zeta P2 P-system 'Clamex' and 'Tenso' connectors. I may not have used them in the the most efficient way, but it was a learning experience, which I hope will also be educational to you if you are interested in this system,
Where appropriate I also used Kreg pocket hole screws.
Product links:
0:18 - Cutting the P2 system slots in the end grain of shelves, clamped on the workbench using the Kreg clamp track system:
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I recommend the updated Kreg automax clamps:
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Lamello Zeta P2 system:
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4:04 - Kreg Foreman pocket hole drilling machine:
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32mm fine thread Kreg screws for hardwood (optimised for 18mm board thickness):
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32mm coarse thread Kreg screws for softwood or MDF (optimised for 18mm board thickness):
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For more information on Kreg screws and other screw options for bookcase and cabinetry construction see this article:
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Castle pocket hole machines are the trick. Nice work.
The Zeta P2 with Clamex & Tenso fasteners are awesome. The Tenso are fantastic for mitre joints. I've been using them to attach scribes...game changing.
Great work as always Alistair really liked the way you showed being put together👌👍
Hi Alister. Enjoyed the detailed introduction. Those KD connectors will make life simple for fitting like you have shown on site.
They will also save you having to carry previously heavy built items up awkward staircases if this problem ever arises. Tony
Thanks for your time. I appreciate your reply
nice work mate
Very informative, thank you
You’re welcome thanks for watching
Good video. thanks
When combined with dowels (non aligned) it becomes an extremely strong joint.
nice work ..
Thanks
Lovely job, it’s amazing to see how your business grow especially in the last few years. Inspirational for sure! Keep up your standards no matter what 👍
Thanks!
@@Alastair_Freebird Neat Bench system Just spotted you on the give a coffee sit thought id take a look im Impressed with the clamps and the Joining system. Timing is good as well I am dismantling a Free solid Oak kitchen I have just got off Freecycle they need a Hand removing it to have a new one fitted. Its got Scroll doors the full works and from the Photos looks in A1 shape. Do you have any tips to help disassemble as I'm an IT Bod by trade just retired so getting back into woodworking. regards Andy
@@andydickinson4018 I think just go slowly and methodically and look carefully for hidden screws!
@@Alastair_Freebird Cheers that my main worry thanks. I'm normally very methodical but as it is in a really posh village I'm more concerned I don't do any damage. I have plenty of good tools so ill take it slow and easy. I am waiting for them to confirm when so ill watch more vids on concealed fixings etc. I love recycling and I'm just finishing using some Roof Beams i also got for free when the reclaimer where dismantling a pub down the rd at the bottom of the hill near me. They even dropped it off for me for a very small fee. facebook.com/webgfx.co.uk
great review! do you have to change the blade to use regular biscuits? Thanks for a wonderful review
Oh I'm glad you think so! Yes you would need to use a different blade for normal biscuit but I think very few users of this machine would ever do that. We have a cheap biscuit jointer for occasional use
Great video Alister! Thank you. I was wondering why you combined pocket holes with Lamello fasteners? Why not use Lamello exclusively?
Pocket holes so much quicker and cheaper where the more sophisticated and hidden Lamello self clamping fixings are not really necessary
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That is nice. I am about to make a stile and rail oak larder cupboard(first time using oak and worried a little ) . I sometimes use kregg then I move away from it, for the life of me I cannot stop the mating panels from sliding when I come to screw the kreg joints how in the hell do you manage to get it perfect every time? ps just purchased a Lemello , going to play with it tomorrow it looks and feels like a excellent piece of tool
There’s a knack to the kregs! Offset the joint a bit to account for the drift… and apply quite a lot of pressure while driving the screws. Yes you will love using the Zeta machine!
Nice video and the evolution of testing. Did you glue as well? I'm guessing the back panel was board rather than solid oak. The CNC must be useful for jigs!
Have you found the zeta had replaced your domino?
Hey Sam did I fail to reply to this? Yes back panel was veneered MDF. I think I glued it but might not have done since it would have been well trapped in.
No actually, although we don't use either as much as you might think (thanks to the CNC). Zeta fixings are expensive sometimes a domino is better for a simple precise line up
Nice to see you posting Alastair! I enjoyed that film. Nice result, although that sapwood really does upset the final result a little. Excuse my ignorance but would you not normally reject boards like that, or fit on the left side instead where less visible? Leaving that aside, lovely piece and thanks for sharing.
Yeah I do quite regret that, and was anticipating comments on it!!! This was one of those jobs I should probably have said no to. We have been working on limiting the range of materials and finishes we offer. We made a conscious decision not to make space for a planer/thicknesses, spindle moulder or other traditional woodworking machinery in the new workshop. Along with installing the CNC machine, we were committing to primarily panel based materials. The only solid oak we use are these 23mm thick 600mm wide pre-glued and sanded boards from Optimum Timber Supplies in Mexborough. I explained to the customer that would be how we did it and they were happy with that so we went ahead. But having always previously used those boards for countertops, I never really noticed until this job how much of an A and B side they have - they are clearly designed for single sided use only, with the heartwood alway oriented to the same side (which also creates more cupping problems). Out of the batch of boards I bought, this was the best I could do. Getting solid oak machined up by someone else was too pricey for the quote I’d already committed to.
@@Alastair_Freebird Thanks for the detailed reply. I wouldn't worry too much about it anyway. Whatever about a bit of sapwood, the carpet fitter really f'd up his part of the job! ;)
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Simplify is the way to go Alister you can offer too much choice it just overwhelms the customer and frustrates them. It wastes a lot of time
waiting for them to choose which design and finish to go for. Next time can you ask the supplier to, if possible pick you a board with less
sap on the reverse if it's seen both sides? Its worth a try. Tony
@@eyuptony I agree - simplify. With that in mind there should not be a next time - we should stick to the painted mdf work with occasional oak countertops. The truth is though, there will always be the occasional ‘interesting job’ that I let through!
@@eyuptony well, but considering you now have a nice edgebander, why not use oak veneered mdf next time? Look for some oak feneered mdf and use endgrain an longgrain edging. I bet it would look just as nice, also considering the feneered stuf is generally a nicer quality of oak!
Hi Alastair, what way do you purchase your oak is it pre joined to the width or do you join lengths yourself to your desired width?
Hi I buy it like that but must admit I wish I’d used a better double sided board for the end panel of this project which had far too much sapwood. Search for my video about the supplier optimum timber supplies in Mexborough
@@Alastair_Freebird thank you very much. I will look it up now!
who handles your glass doors do you hinge them yourself
We use a local glass supplier, I gave them dimensions including the relevant cutout shape diagram from the sugatsune hinge catalogue. But first time around they cut the glass with too little tolerance and had to remake the doors! More detail on these glass doors and that hinging arrangement can be seen near the start of this other video: czcams.com/video/bG7sy3R-ypM/video.html
Turned out nice, but a bit generous with cutting the carpet back 😂
Yes I suppose so!
Actually I'm forever ashamed of the amount of light sapwood in that end panel...
Lamello giving you free stuff now too?
I'm gonna start posting videos if they do 😁
Japanese carpenters would be horrified by this product.
Yes I imagine so