Rockwood Geo Pro Travel Trailer- Flagstaff E Pro Factory Tour | How the Geo Pro and E Pro are made
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- In this episode, we took a tour of the Rockwood Geo Pro Travel Trailer and Flagstaff E Pro Travel Trailer factory in Elkhart, IN. (it's in Millersburg actually)
We get an in-depth look at why owners are raving about these little travel trailers and toy haulers.
We found out that they're raving fans for good reason!
All Rockwood Geo Pro and Flagstaff E Pro models are built at this plant.
The Rockwood models are G16TH, G12RK, G12SRK, G14FK, G15TB, G16BH, G17PR, G19BH, G19FBS, G19FD, G19QB, and the soon to be released G20BHS.
The Flagstaff models are E16TH, E12RK, E12SRK, E14FK, E15TB, E16BH, E17PR, E19BH, E19FBS, E19FD, E19QB, and the soon to be released E20BHS.
Get more info on the Rockwood Geo-Pro
forestriverinc.com/rvs/travel...
Or, find a dealer
forestriverinc.com/rvs/dealer...
Get more info on the Flagstaff E-Pro
forestriverinc.com/rvs/travel...
Or, find a dealer
forestriverinc.com/rvs/dealer...
If you would like to schedule your own factory tour, please contact Anthony Yoder at:
AMYoder@forestriverinc.com
(574) 642-8920
forestriverinc.com/rvs/contac...
Have any questions? 👇Drop me a comment!👇 I try to answer each one. - Auta a dopravní prostředky
In this episode, we took a tour of the Rockwood Geo Pro and Flagstaff E Pro factory in Elkhart, IN. (it's in Millersburg actually)
We get an in-depth look at why owners are raving about these little travel trailers.
We found out that they're raving fans for good reason!
Get more info on the Rockwood Geo-Pro
forestriverinc.com/rvs/travel-trailers/rockwood-geo-pro
Or, find a dealer
forestriverinc.com/rvs/dealer-locator/rockwood-geo-pro
Get more info on the Flagstaff E-Pro
forestriverinc.com/rvs/travel-trailers/flagstaff-e-pro
Or, find a dealer
forestriverinc.com/rvs/dealer-locator/flagstaff-e-pro
If you would like to schedule your own factory tour, please contact Anthony Yoder at:
AMYoder@forestriverinc.com
(574) 642-8920
forestriverinc.com/rvs/contact-us/rockwood-geo-pro
Have any questions? 👇Drop me a comment!👇 I try to answer each one.
Very nice tour and thanks for the way you handled it, adding subtitles. They look like a really responsible manufacturer and their attention to detail and thoroughness is commendable. Honestly a full tour of a couple completed trailers would have been nice to see it all come together but I guess you could hit a dealer for that. Great job all!
Ed Werner - thanks for watching & commenting! And yes, some reviews of completed trailers are in the works!
Thank you for doing this video which one has the most to offer I can't choose one I would purchase out of the two what's ur choice?
What is the length of this trailer?
Great video, thank you. What impressed me the most during video was the hard working american men an women workers! Want to acknowledge their hard work. Thanks.
Thanks for putting out this video.
Just purchased a Geo Pro 19FBS. Loved this build tour! Thank you so much for putting this together.
Thank you for sharing. This information will help us make a decision on which travel trailer to purchase.
Thanks Anthony! You were a great tour guide!!
Agreed! Thanks Anthony! 👏
Awesome video and informative as heck. I have a Geo Pro 19fbs on order and looking forward to it. Thanks a ton!!
Thanks for the great video!
You’re welcome @Carlos Mora! Glad it was helpful!
We’ve had our Rockwood since 2017 and it’s been all over - great trailer!
StressLess Camping thanks for watching & commenting! Happy camping!
Thanks for this video! This video and your follow up - along with meeting and talking with your tour guide and the marketing guy at the Hershey RV Show that September - helped us decide to go ahead and purchase a GeoPro in Mar. 2020.
Thanks for your kind comment @History’s a Blast! Glad you got your Geo Pro before the Covid rush was on! We bought ours in Jan 2020. Glad we did.
Thanks for watching! Have you seen my ownership review yet? czcams.com/video/g0dNRyqKXjo/video.html
Very good video. Looks like they want to build an outstanding quality camper.
Thank you for this video. I’m currently waiting on my Geo Oro 19BH to be built this is awesome
Rodney Mathen that’s great! Congrats on the 19bh! Check back in after you’ve had it a while and let us know how you like it! 🧡Thanks for watching & commenting!💙
Awsome video and very informative
Great video. thank you!
FANTASTIC VIDEO! We've been sorting through manufactureres and brands for months, trying to determine which trailer to buy. I think we just found our answer! So informative.
Thrilled it was helpful @Marty Rheaume! Did you happen to catch my 6,000 mile review of the Geo Pro that I bought? After owning one for awhile I still recommend them. No RV is perfect but the Geo Pro is really good!
czcams.com/video/g0dNRyqKXjo/video.html
Great tour of a great trailer brand!
Thank you!! Did you happen to see my 6,000 mile review of our Geo Pro 20 BHS? - czcams.com/video/g0dNRyqKXjo/video.html
Very, very informative video!!! I'm on the hunt and want to choose wisely.
It’s very wise to do your homework in this industry @Creative by Carilyn! Well done!
I lived on Tahoe's north shore for many years and agree with you; it's really one of the gems, not only in California/Nevada, but anywhere in the word. I intend to move back to Incline Village soon and would be happy to give you some local's tips.
Hi there great video by the way. We were heavily set on the Winnebago 2100bh for a bit extra cargo weight and also because we’ve been informed Winnebago has good quality but after watching this we are definitely putting the geo pro as a strong contender and very likely our New first Travel trailer for my spouse and two children. Thank you. Keep up the good work.
Victoria M thanks for your kind & encouraging words!
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The Geo & the Winnie are both great units with unique strengths & weaknesses. Take your time, really think about what you will be doing with your trailer and what’s important to you, then look at each feature of each unit and ask yourself how it fits within your needs.
For example - we recently bought the Geo Pro 20BHS. We love it and would likely choose it again. However, we really wish the bath & kitchen were more like the Winnie. In the Geo, we would get rid of the tub, put in a narrower shower, making more room in the kitchen for a larger refrigerator & sink. We’ll survive with the smaller Geo fridge, but the tiny sink is going to be really tough!
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I wish you all the best with your purchase decision & future travels! I’d love it if you would check back in & let me know what you buy!
~ Ben
I know this video is almost 2 yrs old but I wanted to let you know that I recently started looking at travel trailers. I like the Geo Pro nd E-Pro models. I was wondering about how well they are built. This video answered every question I had about how they are built. Thanks for making and sharing this video!
Great job thank you for sharing. I’m going to get one.
That’s awesome @David Murray! Check back in please when you take delivery!
Thanks for the tour video! We are considering buying a 19FD.
Best wishes on the rig hunt @Camping Coastie! Here’s a current tip if you’re end up special ordering yours: I spoke with the Rockwood factory yesterday. The are running a full five day production week. Some manufacturers are running 2-3 days due to parts shortages.
Thanks for watching & commenting!
Looking at possibly getting a 15TB. Thanks for sharing and doing this video tour :)
Sonya Hoffman you’re welcome!
🧡Thanks for watching & commenting!💙
A lot of negative talk from people watching, I appreciate the video and I realize that the RV world is trying to make it light weight and cheaper so your going to have a few issues but that’s with all travel trailers.
I just ordered a 2021 E-Pro 15TB. After watching this video, I'm so glad I did. Nice job on this (and part 2). Thanks!
Thanks @EnuffsEnuff318! Glad you found them helpful!
I just ordered the Geo Pro 15tb two weeks ago. I have looked at several Geo Pro and E Pro trailers and I can honestly say I couldn't find a fault. They really seem to be well made when compared to other manufacturers. I know only time will tell but I think choosing the Geo Pro or E Pro is a good start.
@@TheFivepoint1994 what is the difference between the GeoPro and the E-Pro?
Did you get your New 15TB Yet?
AWESOME TY!
Glad you liked it @Susan Bouchard!!
Just bought one picking it up 3/28/20 GeoPro 19FB Parris RV Salt Lake City Utah. My first RV camper. Super excited. Loved the tour thank you, the seem like very well built trailers.
Jason Robbind! Super stoked you’re getting one! My wife and I bought one as well recently. A 20FBS. Been too busy to use it yet but are excited nonetheless. These are GREAT little trailers and I hope you make tons of memories in yours!
Thanks for watching & commenting!
Jason, how's your coach holding up so far since your purchase? What is your tow vehicle?
@@USNavyAR5 Hi, its holding up great so far, already been all over Utah,Colorado,New Mexico, Arizona. The 100 W solar panel works great, I did have 2 Lion lithium Ion batteries installed so going off grid is no problem And sense they're so light I upgraded for the big propane bottles also. My tow rig is a 2019 Toyota Tacoma TRD pro. I installed a massive transmission cooler and l'm running a equalizer hitch and she rides like a dream. I just Winterized it and covered it for the winner cause it's starting to get cold here in Utah at night have a good day. Good luck.
@@jasonrobbind231 Outstanding! I also have a 2019 Toyota Tacoma 4wd double cab V6, so looking for something lighter to tow. Thanks for responding back.
been looking at different brands and i keep coming back to these nice geo trailers beautiful product well built and from the video great quality control although wont be buying anytime soon i can afford the camper but not something to haul them with good luck to all
@ham bam thanks for watching & commenting!
This sold me on trailer.
Thanks for a great video 👍My wife and I are considering the 19FD. Anthony was a awesome tour guide. You have really opened our eyes and know these trailers are very good. Will be waiting for your next video 🙂
Hi @Glen Sanders!
Thanks for your kind comment! Yes, stay tuned as there’s more Geo Pro content on the way!
@@CrowdFreeRV not to be spoiler alert but ... Do you like your Geo Pro?
@@glennsanders6464 absolutely yes! We love our Geo Pro. We use ours way out of it’s designed envelope, yet it holds up amazingly well. But… mechanical things are never perfect. I’m releasing a video next week where I’m dealing with a major repair that will be completed at the Rockwood factory service center. Stay tuned!
Awesome video! Just purchased a 2019 Geo Pro 19fbs. today. I had my reservations about taking this big step but this video has taken away any doubts in my mind about my purchase. I almost purchased this camper two years ago but I didn't. I purchased another brand instead. After having so much water damage and many other issues, I am glad I came back. I had a black and white retro floor. Maybe you know the manufacture. Hint, hint!
Nice video, thanks! I posted it on the Geo Pro Facebook groups. 👍
Ricochet_JP thanks amigo! Much appreciated!
Thanks for the great tour
Retirement Living it’s our pleasure! 🧡Thanks for watching & commenting!💙
FreeBirds - the more campers I review- we still like the Geopro the best - and after viewing your video (factory tour) now I know why - it is our favorite
Retirement Living we’re looking forward to getting one as well!
FreeBirds - 1st we said the 14 ft- then we said the 15 ft TB (now we are swaying towards the 19 ft slide out with couch ) better stop ✋ there - Ha Ha
Retirement Living 😃
Recently purchased a Geo Pro 19FBS and while inspecting the under carriage noticed the DARCO moisture barrier was torn at most of the bolt penetrations around the perimeter that hold the aluminum frame in place. Good thing for duct tape.
paul1mdrn thanks for reporting this! Did you get that info to your dealer? They have the best inside track for reporting quality issues. This one sounds important. The moisture barrier is no good if it has holes.
The Go, E pro and No Bo are trailers I would buy. I give it to them. Yeah.
Very impressed with this tour. I have a hard time finding negatives in the quality of building this trailer and the products used. I’m sure someone could point out some, but at this price point and maybe even up another $5-10,000 more, I have’t seen much better built units. Those employees sure were hustling!
Mike StClair I completely agree! No rig is absolutely perfect, but what Forest River delivers at this price point amazes me.
I love the last step. Bubble check! Truly American made top quality RV! Well done!
Thanks for the tour ! 👍👍
Very good 👍
AFFC Alam Family Fishing Channel thanks for watching & commenting!
Forrest River might want to put in some extra time making sure the nuts are torque per spec on the bolts that hold the body to the frame of the Geo Pro. I found 4 ea that were loose and found out this is a common issue.
weatherherk1 I’m hearing it’s a common problem as well. I’m not sure more torque will fix the problem though. There’s only so much torque you can put on those before they start to crush the wood. I suspect a long term fix will be using self locking nuts. 🧡Thanks for watching & commenting!💙
@@CrowdFreeRV I had this problem as well. Did you get a visual look at how the 12 bolts underneath (2019 19FBS) are connected to the frame? What backs them up? I had a couple nuts fall off, then the bolts actually started spinning/stripping when you try to tighten them. My dealer added a few bolts/nuts through the floor of the camper after it was obvious the body of the camper had slipped/moved forward on the frame.
@@CrowdFreeRV What they should do is use steel plating on the floor( maybe 4”x 4”x 1/4”) and run regular bolts through them instead of carriage bolts and use a nyloc style of nut to attach the chassis to the frame. Much more surface area so the bolt won’t pull through the floor when tightened down.
Wondering why you didn't show any of the welding, aluminum joint construction, or how well the wall/floor/roof sections are built. IMO, poor welds are just as bad as sticks and staples. Thanks for all the work you did putting this together.
Hi @Paul Buehler!
I didn't show these things due to a couple factors: All the welding & fabrication of aluminum framing is done at sub-assembly plants that I didn't tour.
Likewise, the wall/floor/roof assemblies are constructed in the lamination plant. The tour I was on was public and it moved right along. We didn't linger at any one station for long.
From my experience and that of other owners, the framing and laminations of the Geo/E Pro are solid & reliable.
Thanks for the question!
Awesome video. I have the Geo Pro HIGH up on my list, in fact the Geo Pro is as t the top of my list.
That’s awesome @Linda Dickson! Have you seen our ownership review video? Best wishes on your hunt for a new rig!
czcams.com/video/g0dNRyqKXjo/video.html
We own a 2020 19qb and can’t say enough great things about these. I really enjoyed this tour/video. Made a Subscriber out of me. Thanks again.
GeoPro Diaries thanks for your kind words and the sub! 🧡very appreciated!💙
Just purchased a new 2021 19QB last Saturday. Virgin trip next week. So excited.
This is a very nice rig and I am considering buying one. It looks like they are taking advantage of some new technology but, there are some things I would like to see.
1. A dehumidifier. Cooking with propane, normal breathing and camping in humid areas produces humidity in the coach. There are some newer dehumidifiers that could be built in.
2. An on demand propane water heater in lieu of the electric/propane water heater. Very efficient, less space, less weight.
3. Two 30 pound LP tanks
4. Switch to LiFePo4 batteries. A bit more expensive but lighter and better performance.
5 . Better wire control on roof for solar. Evil trees will reach down and snag those wires.
6. Roof rails to mount things such as satellite and radio antennas, weather station components.
7. Full underbelly protection. Mice and squirrels are the enemy of RVs.
Al Dec thanks for watching & commenting! I have a full quality review coming up on my Geo Pro, a 20BHS. Stay tuned.
I have the 12srk and have enjoyed it thus far. Only minor things, added a switched porch light..the only way to turn it off before that was to open up the rear kitchen. I also added an additional solar panel, funny thing the side connection for the additional panel needs to have a charge controller on the added panel even though the onboard charge controller could handle it. I plan to rewire that. The A/C is huge for the size and useless when boon-docking..I would have preferred a smaller unit and maybe a 12v big fan. I tow it behind my Jeep and have had it down some rough roads, so far she’s holding up. I enjoy the creature comforts this little trailer has when full connections are available but rough country camping is why I bought it. Similarly purpose built trailers are 3x as much. I am afraid if the screws start backing out of the micro wave I may leave on a dirt road somewhere but I keep an eye out, may just pull it for the space. Bottom line, happy with camper and would buy again.
👋 Hello @rambokd! Great to hear from you. I think what you have stated about the cost is one of the biggest factors for choosing the Geo Pro. Better built units are out there but at a factor of 2x or 3x the cost.
You are the first comment I’ve had from someone pulling a 12srk behind a Jeep. It’s great to hear that it’s holding up!
Appreciate the tip on the aux solar panel. I hadn’t heard the before and like you would have assumed the interior solar panel would handle it. I think I’ll get a suitcase unit with built in controller.
Thanks for watching & commenting!
Watching the madness in the factory explained all the extra hardware I found in my trailer. At first I thought there were screws coming loose but there must have been a dozen extra screws. I pulled all my access panels to see how everything was routed and connected. The external solar plug runs directly to the battery through a circuit breaker, in my case along the front driver side rail. I had to contact forest river because of the issue with the solar and they were kind enough to send me the wiring diagram. I currently have a y connection on the existing roof panel, but plan to run new wire down from the controller. The batteries, I have 2, have not dropped below 80% with normal use to include some gas furnace use on cold nights. I added a rear awning so I can close my kitchen but still have rain protection for my table and chairs. If you leave your kitchen open little bandits will worry you to death. Funny coincidence, our first night in it was next to another Epro owner on his first trip. He had the 19ft version and the Bluetooth app to control your stereo doesn’t care which system you connect to...his radio woke up earlier than he did, I thought mine was broken.
How are these for cold temps? Not during winter but late fall when it can hit down to the 20's here in Oregon. Will water lines freeze easy? I know there is a heated tank option but is the bottom sealed for colder weather? Looking at the 15TB model for weekend camping and hunting seasons.
Check your roofs people, that goes for your home too. A roof inspection is often times free and will save from costly interior damage.
paul1mdrn - YES!!
Great vids, thank you.
So I am curious why have two different the GEo and PRo? What is the difference?
I AM of LIFE 👋 hello! Sorry I missed this comment previously!
The Geo Pro and the E Pro are the same trailer with different brand names (Rockwood & Flagstaff). Forest river does this so they can sell “different” brands in the same town. Between the Geo and the E pro you will see different colors & graphics on the exterior and some different color patterns on the interior as well. Thanks for watching & the question!
Was there any talk about R value on roof and wall insulation?
One thing you missed, installation of the water and holding tanks, where are they, are they enclosed in a heated space or just below the floor and in the elements? Thanks
Scott hello sir! My apologies that I missed this question earlier.
All models have the holding tanks mounted between the frame rails and just under the floor of the unit in an open and unenclosed space. Rockwood does not enclose the underbelly on these to keep weight to a minimum. The tanks are heated though via 12 volt heating pads mounted on the underside of the tanks.
The location of the holding tanks widely varies by model. I own a 20BHS. The fresh tank is all the way forward, the grey is just behind the axle, and the black is all the way in the tail. Hope this helps!
Thanks for watching & commenting!
Thank you for the video. Did you happen to have any discussion with them on reasoning for single axle vs dual axle? Can you tell me how it feels to go from a dual axle trailer to a single axle trailer. Thank you
Hi @HY Y!
The reasoning they stated when I took the tour is they are ultralight trailers and one of their original goals was to keep every model under 3000 lbs dry weight. In 2020, with the G20BHS at 3400 lbs dry, they exceeded their 3K benchmark for the first time. So yeah, the short answer is keeping them as light and as towable as possible.
The big change in towing feeling is movement. The short single axle moves around a bit more and it moves a little quicker. It is highly maneuverable though, I can get it in & out of just about anywhere. The biggest downside of the single is reduced cargo carrying capacity.
Should you ever have to touch up a cabinet or such, is there a specific paint code for the white paint used inside these RV trailers?
a1930ford there is not one that I am aware of. Your local dealer should have a list of contacts at Rockwood/Flagstaff where this question could be answered. If this does not work, you could possible remove a small part and take it to a paint store to be scanned to get a mix code.
Since you visited the factory, did you get any better idea about how specifically the solar panels were mounted? Are they just screwing the aluminum mounts into the foam? Im looking to add the extension gopher panel and would like to mimic the construction method of the manufacturer. Thank you,
Hi @Todd Sheehy!
It was the older version 100 watt flexible panel being installed when I toured the factory. It’s now a 180 watt hard panel now and I haven’t seen the installation of it.
I would assume the aluminum brackets are screwed to the plywood roof decking. Normally roof sealant is applied to the bottom of the panel brackets and the screws will have sealant applied on the threads as they are installed, and then both are sealed on top as a final step.
Rockwood does have a Support tab on their website for questions like this.
And you might be able to gain some info in the FROG forums.
Hope this helps!!
Good video. Hi from Russia xD
👋 hello!
I would like to have seen how the walls are actually connected to the floor. I bought an E-Pro 19FD new in 2018. From the factory there were problems with the steps not installed correctly, entry door not installed correctly, cabinet wood had termites ($1200 to exterminate), antenna not fasted to roof. I just finished using it for 4 months full time and the dinet frame broke apart from travel/vibration (never sat on it). I've resealed the roof seams every year and now have found water damage around the entire floor where the walls meet. I'm now looking at major repair cost or taking a big loss at sale/trade.
@KstrSM15 when I did my tour I did not see how they attach the walls to the floor.
I’m sorry to hear about your experience. I’ve never heard of an e-pro being this bad.
23:42 changed my mind about purchasing one of these. bummer!
Doubleu I believe you’re referring to the installation of the slide out? The fact that they are driving in the fasteners without drilling pilot holes and the fact they aren’t sealing every fastener which penetrates the exterior is troubling to me as well. The slide out structure & mechanism has been something I have kept an eye on with the Geo Pro which I bought, a 2020, 20BHS. So far both the structure and the operation have been perfect after 6000+ miles of travel across 11 states. If you choose another brand which fits you better, I encourage you to take a factory tour before purchasing. From what I’ve seen all brands which compete at a similar price point use similar manufacturing practices.
Thanks for watching & commenting and I wish you all the best with your RV search!
I am a future first time buyer and am looking at a number of travel trailers including the Rockwood Geo Pro. I understand the manufacturing process and understand that these trailers need constantan monitoring. However, looking at the online reviews I see way too many negative out of the dealer yard experiences. I know that you would expect more negative than positive, because satisfied people have less to complain about. But goes to show that most of the RV industry is not keeping their eye on QC, leaving it up to the buyer and dealer to do the QC. I guess buyer beware is really important.
Hi @g Dan!
I have two answers, one short and one long.
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The short - Yes, buyer beware is very appropriate for RV’s. Both for choosing a rig and choosing a dealer.
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The long - Historically many RV manufacturers have sent units out the door with known problems. They relied on the dealers to make things right. Some dealers did there best do right by the customer and others didn’t.
Based upon my limited knowledge of a vast industry, there are manufacturers who are doing their best to do better; to put a “right” product out the door. And there are dealers out there who have high standards of what they will accept from the manufacturers and the level of support that is offered after delivery. It’s up to the customer to find the best dealer and the best rig for their needs.
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Sadly there are dealers out there who only care about making the sale. And then there are those dealers who are so big that customers get lost trying to navigate “the system” after the sale.
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In my opinion, Forest River is trying to step things up within the Rockwood lineup and put out a quality rig. Please understand there are many brands under the Forest River umbrella which I know nothing about.
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Another brand I like is Keystone. They try to put out a good product, and among full timers the Montana lineup has a cult following.
I’m sure there are other quality brands out there, I’m just not knowledgeable of them.
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I hope this little bit of info will help you in your search for a new rig!
Thanks for watching & commenting!
Great vid. I have a 19 FBS on order, but Forest River is having a difficult time getting some parts and I will be lucky to get mine by the end of the year.
Tall Dude, thanks for checking in! I’m thrilled you have one on order but am bummed you are having to wait so long. We are really beginning to feel the full impact which shutting down had on supply chains. Even things like ordering a water hose or tires can take more time. I appreciate you watching & commenting and I hope you get your 19 FBS in time to use it this season!
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Do you know if the WiFi Ranger Sky4 LTE upgrade allows you to use your phone to connect instead of buying a SIM card for a module insert? Not savvy on this stuff - but will be working from the road, so need to try and get as good of a signal as possible.
Sonya Hoffman yes, it’s a dual unit. If you don’t buy the module and SIM card it will not get internet via cellular. I will however receive and boost any WiFi signals within range.
@@CrowdFreeRV Thanks for the info!
Hearing protection, folks.
I see 20 BHS models listed for about 25k. Are dealers typically willing to negotiate those prices? Was wondering how much people pay otd
Do they offer a 4 season arctic package? Also I’m a newbie and saw the Grand Design warehouse tour on a separate video. Their trusses are made of wood. Is there such a thing as metal trusses?
👋 Hi @Raymond Ward!
They do not offer a four season package, nor would I expect them to. This is primarily due to their goal of trying to keep all units under a benchmark 3,000 lbs for greater tow-ability. I will tell you from my experience that the Geo Pro does “mild” winter pretty good for a 3 season trailer. We’re wintering in NC and have seen some 27 degree nights. Nothing has frozen up. I run a heated fresh water hose and I have insulated the fresh water low point drains. Whenever it’s going to be near or below freezing I turn on the tank heaters. I run two small electric heaters as primary heat and set the gas furnace to kick on a little when it gets near freezing outside. I would not recommend trying to winter in a Geo Pro off grid without an upgraded solar & battery setup. And I would not recommend one for longer term sustained below freezing temperatures.
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To my knowledge no one is using a pure aluminum roof truss. The Geo Pro uses a hybrid. It’s a combination of aluminum and wood. Just speaking for Rockwood and Grand Design, they both make a good “walk on” roof.
Hope this helps!
Thanks for watching & commenting!
You sold me
As someone who worked in a manufacturing environment with ISO 9001 quality systems, I can tell you this factory is the exact opposite of a quality-focused environment. Modern factories are incredibly clean and organized (nothing is out of place). There are many tools and jigs assisting the employees with perfect repeatable quality installation at every step of the way. Notice how the lady was just free from slapping on graphics or how they guy screwing in the slide was just holding his screw gun at random angles and reaching?
This factory appears very unorganized with almost all completely manual processes and no tooling or assembly jigs. A modern factory also has quality control at every step. Not just at the end. I.E. them orange taping issues or the guy quickly caulking a leak. This is about what I expected and I’m sure it differs little from other lower or mid-priced mfrs out there. You can see this and know there’s a ton of room for human error or stuff slipping through. That’s just the RV trailer market as a whole though. Not trying to single out Rockwood. I do overall like their Geo Pro. I just wouldn’t expect much more than any of the other common name brands out there.
Mike Wiebe 👋 hello sir! Having worked in manufacturing & aerospace for 7 years myself, I understand exactly what you are saying and agree with your assessments. I bought a Rockwood Geo Pro at the beginning of this year and just returned from its initial shakedown trip of about 5,000 miles. This is my third travel trailer and I am thrilled with the progress the industry has made. I’ll attempt to briefly elaborate:
If I could sum up your comment into one sentence it would be “RVs have been and still are sloppily assembled”. My Geo Pro is consistent with what I saw at the factory tour - it is indeed sloppily assembled.
However, the advancements in some materials and methods make a tremendous difference -
Because of Azdel & vacuum bonded walls I will never have delamination.
Because of the welded aluminum framing I will never have the structure rot.
Because of the Torflex axle I don’t have wear points at the springs & shackles.
Because of the welded aluminum interior structure & “screw & glue” cabinetry, my interior isn’t falling apart after 5000 miles.
Because of the arched roof trusses I never have constant standing water on the roof making my roof seals go bad.
Etc, etc, etc...
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So yes, the industry has so much room for improvement, but there is also much to be celebrated.
I’m going to do an initial quality review of my G20BHS soon and I’ll share the good, bad & ugly.
Thanks for watching & commenting sir. It’s much appreciated!
I am thinking of purchasing a GEO PRO 19BH. Honest evaluation do you think it would be a good purchase? This will be my first RV camper.
John Car this is a great question!
From the perspective of quality, durability, towing weight, and capability/standard features you absolutely can’t go wrong with the Geo Pro.
But the other part of the question only you can answer. What do you want to do with it? What tow vehicle do you have? Is it a good fit for your unique wants and needs?
I’ve been looking for a rig myself since selling my toyhauler this last spring. I REALLY wanted to get a Geo Pro. The 19BH was one of the models I was considering. Ultimately I’ve decided against it. I’m going to get a Forest River No Boundaries 19.6. (NoBo)
The primary deciding factor is we will at times be living and working full time out of this new trailer. The working/refrigerator/cooking space is just a little too small in the Geo Pro. Now, if we weren’t going to be full timing in it, we would have gone with the Geo Pro. The NoBo is good quality, but not as good as the Geo Pro. And there is bunch of equipment which is standard on the Geo Pro which I will have to install on the NoBo. But ultimately we needed the bigger fridge, extra counter space, and that small bar is an awesome feature. It will serve as my stand up desk when working.
So...I hope this is helpful food for thought in your purchase decision!
How about a 2022 Forrest River FR3 34DS thanks
Hello, I recently picked up a Geo Pro! How many more solar panels can be added to that system without changing the charge controller and cables?
paul1mdrn that’s a great question! I haven’t started to research this yet. I’m working on getting a Geo Pro as well. I’m thinking of getting a 2018 that doesn’t have solar yet so I can build & add my own system.
As to your question, the easiest way to add more capacity would be to use the external port for a portable panel. Does the owners manual have any information on how many watts that panel can be? An advantage for the portable panel also is being able to track the sun with it.
Up to 500 watts of solar. gpelectric.com/products/30-amp-single-bank-solar-controller/
I believe it's up to 400 watts with that inverter. You can look up the solar company and ask....I want too ask you guys a question. I haven't used the inverter yet. When you turn it on..which plug in the camper does it work for? All or just one? The one by the tv?
It bothers me that they work so fast and two, how do I know that the guy on the slide out seals is doing his job right?
@DAM8658 I share your concerns. The slide out installation is one place I also wish they would slow down and be more detail oriented.
What I can tell you with certainty is I’ve owned my Geo Pro for a little over a year. I’ve got about 8 thousand miles on it. We live in it full time and the slide has functioned and held up perfectly.
Have you seen my 6,000 mile review video?
Thanks for watching & commenting sir!
Where r these tours located at?
How about an off road demo?
Anthony, do these come with an enclosed underbelly? The salesman at my local dealer advertised these as 4 season trailers but the brochure he gave me didn't list an enclosed underbelly as a feature. Figured since you watched them build it you'd know.
Thanks
Mathias Young 👋 hello! I would not consider these to be 4 season trailers. They are an ultralight class of trailer which typically keeps weight to an absolute minimum. Because of this, they do not have enclosed an underbelly or double pane insulated windows. To my knowledge they also do not have heated holding tanks or dump valves. Hope this helps. Thanks for watching & commenting!
@@CrowdFreeRV We have bought a 19QB this past spring and have been loving it. It does have heated holding tanks. I would consider the underbelly enclosed just from being under it a few times, but perhaps there are more strict definitions for that. However, I don't believe the dump valves are heated. All that being said, i would not consider it a 4 season trailer.
William Burns thanks for the additional info!
my 2020 has heated tanks, but not enclosed underbelly. I've been out in upper 20's at night, no issues. DIdn't run the tank heaters since we were boondocking.
all my research shows Geo pro’s have plywood floors , but this video shows osb can you clarify
Couple of questions:
1. Is the inverter output pure sine or modified sine?
2. What is the plan for 5G when LTE goes away?
Al Dec 👋 hello!
1. The inverter installed in my 2020, 20BHS is a WFCO, WF-5110R unit and it has pure sine wave output.
2. I have not heard anything about the WiFi Ranger plan for when LTE goes away. My guess is this - you currently have to buy a carrier specific module for current LTE usage. I’m guessing to upgrade an older unit to 5G you would have to buy an updated module (the “guts” of the receiver on the roof).
I’ve not used the LTE capability of my WiFi Ranger yet and likely never will. They currently support AT&T but not Verizon. 22 gigs of AT&T data currently costs $90.
That’s not cost competitive in my opinion.
I have used the unit for WiFi though and it works great!
Thanks for watching & the questions!
I love how they pressurized and sprayed for leaks but barely check. Guess they found something...maybe...
So the roof membrane isn’t bonded to the laminated roof? And what is directly under the membrane?
Hi @Leland Plume! They do indeed bond the membrane to the roof. They apply the adhesive up on a work platform and I wasn’t able to get a good shot of the process.
The roof plywood decking material is directly under the membrane.
@@CrowdFreeRV OK. Thanks! I was asking because I was on the ladder, looking at the roof of a brand new unit on Saturday and there were unbounded wrinkles around virtually everything that was attached to the roof! I’m afraid the expedited manufacturing that’s taking place right now is not only affecting putting in the required appliances, (12v fridge, low profile AC, porcelain toilet), but the quality of workmanship may be taking a hit too, (unbounded membrane, cabinet doors separating, body to frame bolts missing or coming loose). They still build a quality product but I think they may need to make some changes. The blogs and forums indicate their reputation may start taking a hit.
@@lelandplume6889 yes, this trend is appearing across the board in various ways for all manufacturers. I looked at a Keystone Outback Ultralight with a family member last fall. Keystone is a quality brand. The entire roof of this brand new trailer needed a reseal. All the sealant was shrinking and opening up with seal-voids. I suspect they had run out of their regular sealant and used an inferior alternate. This is just one of many stories.
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I expect this trend to continue through 2021. From what I am hearing from dealers is there is still pent up demand from 2020. The units are rolling out as quick as they can roll in from the factory.
@@CrowdFreeRV the numbers I’ve seen indicate your correct. The projection is that over 1/2 a million units will be built this year to meet demand. The highest number ever. But the general consensus seems to be that starting next year, when people realize that RVing is about more than driving and parking or they realize they can’t handle their rig, there will be a glut of slightly used units flooding the market. If you know what you’re looking for it’ll be the perfect time to buy.
Why have two different the GEo and PRo? What is the difference?
Ron Smith - 👋 hello sir! The Rockwood Geo and Flagstaff E Pro are the same exact trailer with two different brand labels. They also change up the interior colors slightly between the two. Forest River does this to expand their dealer network. This enables them to have a Rockwood and Flagstaff dealer in the same town or area and these dealers can then say they are selling “different products”. They are though the same trailer made on the same assembly line. Thanks for watching & the question!
I have seen multiple threads on the Geo Pro's to where people are putting on nylock locking nuts at the frame where the cabin is mounted. This is because many new owners complain that those nuts they use were loose or nearly off when they inspected it. Why shouldn't this be a routine addition for safety done by the company? I have not purchased my 19FD, yet, but I am going with my wife to probably do so tomorrow. This will be one area in which I will be addressing with the service manager. Apparently there are about a dozen or so bolts and nuts beneath that need the nylocks added to. Just seems like a pretty cheap fix for the factory to do if they listen to their customers very well. I wish the audio was better on this video, but I did enjoy watching, anyway. Thanks for posting.
a1930ford thanks for the info on the nylocks. And yes, this would be a simple fix at the factory. They have made other changes based on customer feedback. Communicating this to a Forest River dealer service manager is great. That’s where the primary stream of feedback flows. I’m going to see if there is a contact at Rockwood/Flagstaff who is in charge of managing quality feedback.
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I am thinking of purchasing a GEO PRO 19BH. Honest evaluation do you think it would be a good purchase? This will be my first RV camper.
John Car yes, I have a 2020 19BH and happy with it.
True, I put the nylocks on my rig. The front 2 were loose with just 700 miles traveled.
You have provided me with one more reason to go with a Geo-Pro instead of an Airstream. A: They are less expensive and B: They are far more versatile for BLM camping. I understand Rockwood makes a lifted suspension and I'll be looking into that. Thanks again! Yes, I "Liked" and "Subscribed."
Bill Sprague thanks for the sub!! Very appreciated!
Thanks for sharing that. Most probably an E pro or Geo pro in my near future. Watching factory build tours makes me cringe because of the pace of manufacturing, mainly because of a 30 plus year career in Aerospace manufacturing building and supporting the build of aircraft. Yikes!!!
I hear you and agree on the pace of mfg, @NotaBRZ NotaMiata! I worked at Boeing for 7 years. I’m glad RVs don’t fly!
After owning one for awhile, I still feel the GeoPro has one of the best cost/value ratios out there for small ultralights. Have you seen my ownership review yet? Thanks for watching & commenting!
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Only bummer is the smaller rv should have a washer dryer combo
what is the difference in the GeoPro and the E-Pro?
@MontiR Aruba they are the same trailers built on the same assembly line. They differ only by:
The name
The exterior graphics
The interior colors
Forest River does this to offer two different brand labels.
I have a geo 19 fe my only complaint is no bumper and no ladder otherwise very happy
I just bought the 16BH 2020. Did they tell you the average build time?
david bryan 👋 hello! They didn’t share an average build time, but if memory serves me correctly, at the time of filming the we’re completing an average of 24 units per day. There likely is some variance between models. For any given day, they configure their line to only run one model that entire day.
FreeBirds thank you for the response and awesome job on your videos.
7-8 weeks
@@CrowdFreeRV Thanks for this video! Nice job! As far as build time, are you saying they build an entire trailer in one day?
@@jimmyclark9243 back when I filmed this they were kicking out 20+ units per day on some floor plans. I don’t know where they are at today. Demand is way up but supply chains are still struggling to catch up post Covid.
Are e pro and geo pro the same?
Bart Young yes they are mostly the same. They differ only in the exterior graphics and interior colors.
Please show me the factory on Monday and Friday.
Nice inside report. Wish they weren't moving so fast, leads to mistakes. :( I think my 2017 2109s was built (it's great) when they weren't pushing the employees to move at warp speed. Thank you.
Garland Style I agree! That’s one part of the industry which I’ve never been a fan of.
One thing I did notice though, is it felt like they have a voluntary culture of hustle. I’ve seen a lot of manufacturing where people are driven and pushed by management. The culture is typically poisoned by this tactic. What it looked to me like here was the workers were happily choosing to hustle. Likely they are incentivized by cost/output goals.
In my opinion that counts for something.
But I also wish they would add a greater quality incentive so they would slow it down a few notches and improve build quality even more.
Thanks for watching & commenting!
It Didnt say anything about using azdel on both sides of the outside walls
Looks like the usual chip-board and Elmer's glue floor, like 90% of the rest of the industry, which turns into worthless crap if it gets wet. Perhaps their 'superior construction' will help with the usual roof leaks that wind up ruining most RV's.
GP makes DryGuard and DryMax OSB that is not chip board or made with Elmer's. I don't know what product is used here, but it is possible it's a similar product.
Did you notice if the underbelly was enclosed? Thanks
HI - MPH - they have an open underbelly. This was one of the design decisions made to help keep the weight as low as possible. They do have holding tank heat pads though which is a real bonus for extending your season. I’m unsure if they are standard or optional equipment. Your dealer could answer that.
Thanks for the question!
The holding tank heating pads are an option you have to pay for...it negotiate into the deal.
@@CrowdFreeRV .
The SRK/RK-Models 12 foot only an AC Unit or Max Fan Available,not both,and cannot have both no room on top,So take your pick.AC Or Fan.
Okay Flagstaff and Rockwood, you have a PROBLEM that needs to be remedied...your metal valance over the window by the stove is constantly coming loose! I had this happen with my 2023 Microlite and it just happened today with my 2023 E-Pro 19FD, and I have had it only 1 DAY!!! You need to put some structure behind the AZDEL, as it is NOT holding the top screw! I can't be the only one with this problem.
The European and Australian rvs appear far and away better quality maybe higher price but are also better design and engineered that’s why we see the industry beginning to barrow a lot of their designs.
Wonder why he has to knock the competition rather than just show how his product is constructed. 😮
Great video. As someone looking at one of these for our first trailer, this was very helpful. Someone commented about the speed of the work being done. This didn’t look bad at all. Go watch the old Jayco video to see what a rush job looks like
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I hope Rockwood stands by all those poor blokes who got the defective linoleum!
What year’s model(s) have that?
It's good, but it's kind of BS. I bought a 2019 Rockwood Geo Pro 16th, and it didn't come with a fantastic fan, it didn't come with a black tank flush.
Maybe they forgot.....more likely they're lying. That stuff isn't standard on ALL models as this guy is claiming....
Oh, and my trailer leaked when I brought it home....had to take it back to the dealer for repairs right away.
They started doing it on the newest versions of the models. The very latest even switched from absorption fridges to 12v compressor fridges. It is missing from the smallest teardrop styles but the regular trailers have them
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Rock wood makes a great product. Of all the RV’s I’ve walked through, they felt very solid. However, you cannot convince me that a product is as good as I can possibly be where employees are working so fast. Think if they just made everyone slow down, and truly pay attention to those little details what a difference it would make. They would end up selling more RV’s.
As soon as I saw them I thought that cant be good,
Only because "the Boss" was around and camera's
There was a lot of talk about the torsion flex axles but the camera person never showed them. 90% of this video was focused on the speaker instead of the products he was talking about. So us viewers didn't get to see as much as we should have.
I agree with you @Ray Stanton. If I shoot another factory tour video, I’ll mic up the tour guide which will free up the camera more to focus on the product. Or I’ll shoot it with two cameras.
I’ve owned a Geo Pro for about 1 year and 10 thousand miles. I’ve been very happy with the torsion axle and I LOVE the EZ-Lube hubs!
Thanks for watching & commenting!
You can watch my 6,000 mile Geo Pro review here 👉 czcams.com/video/g0dNRyqKXjo/video.html
I hate seeing factory workers moving so fast. The foreman thinks it’s impressive, but it’s actually the opposite. It shows the manufacturer is putting productivity ahead of QC.